Vince is a pervert but its was all consentual . If yoh think about it how many college football and b ball coaches would also be disgraced if only 10% of the girls who were paid 100 or 200 bucks to " show him a good time "by the coach with a wink when a prized recruit made a recruiting trip to their college came forward? 1000 maybe ? . The girl is a hooker with rhe only difference being instead of vince paying her she was getting paid by rhe wwe , obviously a big corporate no no . This is not trafficking. This is just normal prostitution
I got some great laughs from McMahon in the square ring, I always said he was a great entertainer, but if these disgusting accusations are true then he should be sent to prison for the rest of his life..
Experts always say that sexual abuse isn’t about sex and is really about power. That’s clearly what was going on here. Vince was getting off on hurting this woman.
I'm Jewish and we don't need to say a silly lusery rhyme. However that doesn't mean you get to reck lives and harm others and nature. Christians don't live a life of consistency of faith or being a good person. Also please understand the difference between Jewish folks and Israelites if you don't lol @@paultheviewer
Probably because outside of the abuse stuff, he generally was a douchbag yes man, Johnny Ace was hated by a large majority of wrestlers even before this stuff came out.
You could tell that there were tons of things going through René's mind as he was listening to the breakdown. I'm sure it was a mix of empathy for the victim, as well as a realization that much of what he and others have said about "Vince and Friends" over the years is finally coming to fruition.
Thoughts and prayers with any other fellow parent who had to answer the question "why wasnt Brock Lesnar in the Royal Rumble?" from their kid. "Brock Lesnar died on the way back to his home planet"
He'll just retire and hunt moose. He never loved wrestling and was never a people person to begin with. He got WWE to pay top dollar for him for 20 years. He's set for life.@@GodLovesYou828
It's never consensual if a woman is threatened with sexual violence. Telling a woman "either in the car or in the hotel room", err... That's not consent. Denying her protective sex, is assault.
@@philwill0123while you are right, this is assuming everything in this civil lawsuit is correct. The reality is everyone gives their own version of what happened. Maybe she agreed to some things, maybe she felt forced to agree to other things but went along anyway for the money. Who knows. Now is McMahon a sick and twisted individual? Probably. But none of us know how much consent she gave because she was being rewarded with money and gifts. Even if she hated what she was doing.
This kind of crap is why I can't stand WWE. I'm glad I quit watching a disgusting product. The man has a daughter and 2 granddaughters, I'm wondering what kind of sick things he's been doing behind closed doors. Vince is just a sick excuse for the lowest lifeform on earth.
That Dark Side of the Ring details his childhood and the sexual abuse he endured, and from the little I understand about psychology that often the abused grow and develop into abusers themselves. It is a nasty cycle.
It makes sense now and pounts out who wrote and came up with all those awful storyline and things we saw on tv. He is obsessed with sex and children seeing it just like he did. He wants us to relive his trauma and be abused just like him. Ultimate narcissistic Monster.
I wonder if he’d been abused as a child, often victims of grooming can exhibit the same behaviours in adulthood to deflect the trauma or as a distorted sense of taking back the control and power they didn’t have as children
Vince probably never came onto Nailz . It was probably over $ and Nailz used it as an excuse for a fight . My dad did the same thing in the 60s . He got out of an assault rap in a bar fight by saying the guy made it homosexual advances at him. I do believe though that Vince repeatedly abused his power to gain sexual benefits from his employees . This dates way back to the 80s where a female referee claimed many of the same things. I also believe Vince paid of the PD to cover up the Snuka murder
James and Renee love you guys but can you consider editing out pics of the victim in this vid or futures vid. She doesn't need her face plastered everywhere. Much love, keep up the great work ❤
I lost my parents, back in the 9 80's -90's. But, I lost my job recently, my only set of car keys. I've been looking Hard for a job. I know how she feels about her parents and eviction, and cannot believe someone would take advantage of a person who has already been through so much. My heart goes out. I basically quit my job because I didn't like my boss, he's rotten too.
The thing that keeps whirling around my mind is, this can't be a NEW thing for Vince. Surely in the days before social media and camera phones it was much, much easier to suppress. How many other women could there be out there like this poor woman?? I believe they found $20mil's worth of pay-offs so we know there are more. Had he not used company funds for these pay-offs we might never have even found out about all this!
Moment of silence for poor James, who not only had to read out these revolting texts, but also bowdlerise them in real time for the audience. Imagine how awful it was receiving those.
I'm with James: the idea that a man, who is both father and grandpa to women, can't realize that treating another woman like a commodity is wrong defies any logical thinking to me
The look on Renee's face is similar to mine in that it's not only horrific if true, but given everything he knows about Vince, the company, and many others the realization of just how damn deep of a rabbit hole this could be is insane.
Only just found this channel and have been watching loads of videos. James is such a great interviewer that I didn’t even realise he had a British accent until now. Love it when an interviewer actually lets the guest talk and doesn’t interrupt
Triple H: "The Attitude Era was all about us just turning our personalities up to 11." Frightening to think that the Mr. McMahon character appeared to be Vince actually DIALING down his personality to something like a 4 or 5.
I also think the female and even male talent that is currently signed. Should SERIOUSLY sit down with themselves and do some "self reflection". About continuing to work for a company that conducts itself in this manner. And if they have reached a decision to leave then get the hell out of your contracts now before the shit storm happens. They can go work for AEW or TNA or even abroad. WWE is NOT the only option out there. You have to think about money vs ethics and morals folks.
The sad thing is none of this surprises me, especially Johnny Ace he always seemed like a slime ball. Also wont be surprised if Kevin Dunn was in on it too
I wonder if Peacock will remove the Trish Barks Like a Dog for Mr. McMahon segment. I'd love to hear the thoughts from her and other Divas who dealt with Vince on daily/weekly basis at TV or house shows.
Re: Why Ms. Grant would reply with things like "baby" and why she's not as assertive as it seems many (mostly men) would expect her to be: Most of us (women) have experiences of being nice to men we aren't interested in because we're afraid of retaliation, even those we don't have any professional relationship with. Considering McMahon already knew everything about her -- he would have even had her SSN and everything -- and that he wielded SO MUCH power over her, it's easy to see why she'd feel unsafe angering him or even just ghosting him and trying to disappear. He could just find her and utterly destroy her life even further. Def. a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, and sad no matter how you look at it.
If he likes people begging, my bet is that's why he never paid her off. He wanted her to keep coming back and "begging" for her money. his way to keep her under his control
Wish they’d make public who all the other hush payments went to over the years. I know Christy Hemme was heavily rumoured to be one (can’t confirm that, obviously).
I've heard Christy Hemme talk about her time on Tazz's pod cast and she into details about what the issue was and it seemed more to do with they wanted her to get more training in the ring but after her time on Raw then Smackdown they said screw it just go to OVW, but were making her move out there. And she just felt they said one thing and did a different thing. So I never got the impression she was one of these women in NDA huss money payments.
This is a civil lawsuit buddy which means nobody is going to jail. Right now she is going civil route which means the burden of provement is low and she gets paid. Cause if she is willing to go ciminial charges, then the burden of provement is higher, the stress is higher and she don't get paid. This is why you see alot of MeToo people going civil route.
@@bd4947 Nice. People are pointing out that while this is a civil case, Vinny Mac embezzled money illegally from WWE to pay for illegal contracts covering up illegal activities, which all of it is across state lines, not to mention a host of other felonies too long to mention...and that is the current federal case he was raided over, which he will catch indictments over. Secondly, civil has no impact on criminal, even without discovery, Janel was nice enough to openly provide everything a new FBI investigation would require, from the DOJ's standpoint. Since there cannot be a second NDA to illegally cover up the illegal activities of the first NDA, then we know regardless of what settlement Vinny Mac may offer, it cannot contemplate, expressly or implied, that there be an NDA involved. Do remember...this only touches one of the females so far, and doesn't touch the sham WWE sale civil suit, with very possible criminal suits to come out of that.
@@AndrewTheVikings if this is true, this whole thing is worse than Harvey Weinstein. Vince could go to jail for 25+ years. Johnny Ace will throw him under the bus to save himself. they want Vince and everyone turns on him, he's screwed
Not surprised that the Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard podcast is dead quiet on this developing story... when everyone else including major media outlets and Law&Crime Network (youtube) is talking about this.
Rene was right on point with Pat saying Vince sees himself as the Million Dollar Man and likes to control people with the allure of money for demeaning and degrading tasks. In the Document It mentions a short time after they’d met as part of the grooming process Vince tells Janel they have a “ closeness “
If i had to profile Vince. I'd diagnose him as a malignant narcissist. The "child like" behaviour has likely been there all the time. It certainly explains his previous behaviour. - Renee, im sorry your ftaher regressed back to childhood(in his later years) This often happens with sufferers of dementia or Alzheimer's. Sending hugs
The most interesting part of all of this is how is this going to play out in narrative when it comes to WWE's past? They want to scrub him but nobody has been bigger in WWE history than him. The guy who started it, the guy who ran it for decades, the guy who was the hottest heel in WWE in the Attitude Era, etc. The voice of the company of tons of shows in the 80s. Nobody is more tattooed over WWE than him. Benoit was an easy guy to scrub by comparison.
The way these guys handled this horrific topic is commendable. I listened to Jim Cornettes reaction and there was a lot of victim blaming and insensitivity. Renee seems like a stand up guy
happy new year. would be good if rene could finish his thoughts and finsish his sentences. theres innteruptions from the gentleman on the left (james) thank you
Yes Vince is powerful and yes he has one helluva attorney. That has gotten him out of legal situations over the years anyone else would have been convicted of. HOWEVER, the more women who come forward will ultimately prove his guilt in all of this. One girl isn't going to get it done. But as i've been listening to other wrestlers/talent that have talked about this case. It's only the TIP of the iceberg for him right now. I would be shocked if this isn't the opening that other women or even men need to come forward with there own personal accounts of abuse. And THAT will be his undoing. No matter how strong is attorney is. The fact that a huge sponsor like Slim Jim has already pulled out is quite telling. You wonder how many others will. And without that financial backing he will be utterly screwed and rightfully so. However, Vince put himself in this situation know one else. He's a dirty bastard that is finally getting caught after all this time. In fact, i'll go so far as to say he's no better than Trump in terms of his ego and power trip attitude. He thinks he can evade the law and is invincible. I think this could be his next steroid scandal case in terms of size. And this is one i don't think he'll escape from so easily. I see more people coming forward after this individual without question. It's ironic to me that so many want to work for this company. And then after say 3-5yrs of being there are just so fed up with the politics and other shit that they can't really talk about while they are there. Then when they go and do a shoot interview they vent about how nasty the conditions were. I mean you can clearly see it's almost cathartic for them to get it off there chest talking about it. I'm not saying other wrestling companies don't have there own BS they are dealing with. But so many talents i've talked with in my 30yrs of watching and being a part of this business on the indy scene. Share the same sentiments about how happy they are once they are back on the independents. So that's saying a lot about a company as "A WHOLE". Which isn't going to bode well for them long term. And i believe Paul is right this is only the beginning of the shit storm to come. I also feel that the only way to EFFECTIVELY take care of this shit. Is for the fans to boycott and not go to the shows. Why would you take your family to a company that does this. I mean you continue to buy tickets which basically means your supporting a company that believes in proselytizing and raping women...? C'mon folks get a fuckin clue...!!!
It’s 100% ALL TRUE! There’s more stories! A lot more, Vince has been abusing a lot of wwe women & workers for years & years and gotten away with it! THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED NOW THO!
Allegedly..there's always her story, his story and you have the truth..this wasnt a problem until her money stopped rolling in. While living the high life for what 3 or 4 years..really!? They're gonna Bill Cosby Vince like that? All I can say is she's not going to get away with it. She hung around for too long, it was fifty shades of consensual fun the way I see it and the money that was thrown around.
Makes ya kinda wonder if Vince did have something to do with Chris Benoits case. Could have paid some people off after a bunch of people came out said Vince was smashing Nancy before.
The original leak almost a year ago said Vince was paying millions of dollars in hush money to multiple women, one of whom was an outside legal consultant. This was because Khan (no not that Khan) had discovered all these fraudulent paychecks. It now looks like it was mostly this one woman and Vince hid her by moving her around to different non-existent jobs like outside legal consultant. If so, that is totally illegal. He was using company money, not his own. As far as sex-trafficing, it seems like the "victim" was paid millions of dollars over that period so it will be a bit difficult to sell that as a felony. It makes a good story and his and Linda's ties to Trump will be repeated and kept in the news until the election. But otherwise he at most will be charged with misusing company funds and will pay a lot of money in reimbursement and fines. They don't send 80 year old billionaires to prison.
I'm just getting up to speed on this case: is it fair to say that Ms Grant was a willing participant (in all the debauchery) up till a certain point, and then she wanted out at some point later on? The activities that went on between all of them clearly escalated from a consensual starting point, so if it escalated too much later on, why didnt she just immediately leave the entire situation? Am i missing something?
No. She never consented to any of it. If she didn't comply, Vince would have literally ruined her life. If there are consequences for staying no, it is not possible to give free informed consent.
@@SM-BSW But she was in her 40's when this happened and was clearly able to make a reasonable decision to willingly leave. The consequences of leaving are not worse than staying. She received significant pay in her unearned, fake positions (so the consequences you mention were not monetary), and if Vince paid her the full 3m for the NDA we likely would not even have a legal case right now. I dont understand how she could expect to continue her career tragectary elsewhere in director roles when she was clearly incapable of performing those roles. As an adult she was obviously comlicit to a certain degree over the 3 years following her many received gifts etc. She allowed these things to happen to her and surely has some degree of responsibility also.
Reading and listening to those that read all these accusations in full details made me think. Those details are so bad that part of me feels it came from a 18yr old virgin who smacks to porn all day in the basement. If all of this officially is true someday, I can’t imagine how this affects his family and wwe as a whole.
So many loopholes in this story. - Why doubt she didnt know what she was being hired for? - Multi-million dollar paychecks and gifts with no skills. - Living in the same apartment as Vince suggests she wasn't destitute either. - Maybe we're only hearing one side of the story before jumping to conclusions. - It's possible she was used up and wanted more money, leading to these stories. - Vince is no an angel, but what's she really complaining about?
Anyone reading that reads these texts and still thinks this woman is a victim is odd. She clearly was all for it until the $ stopped. All this does is keep real abuse in the shadows.
@Cafe de Rene with Rene Dupree to be quite honest with you, that sounds like Deminata, (but this is still bad no matter what.) As a former brother, (got out of wrestling back in 2013, and did some charity shows.) But we all heard of the most unrealistic thing that Vince is as a human being. You are right that if this goes to trail, Jerry McDivits, (sorry if I misspelled Vince's lawyers name.) But they will try everything in the book to say it was conseanual, and that it was about the NDA, not getting paid. I do feel that Vince as a promoter has done a lot, but also have screwed with a lot of people in the business. I can only imagine about the girls in the business. I can only wonder of Stephanie, and Hunter's family since they have daughters. I can only imagine any right human being just being just beyond shocked, but not really if you know Vince lol. So I can really tell that this is really affecting a lot of people. Like I said on smaller indie shows, and for different shows I have seen stuff to where I stepped in and told other people to stop, and they would try to "get big on me" yet I just started out in 2010. I am not going say who that person was because he was in that "Me too scandle" so he got what he deserved. But the point I am making, or saying is that you don't know people behind closed doors, and it's a shame that this will be the legacy for Vince, but honestly, he deserved worst.
I don't believe for 1 second Vince McMahon sent them messages at all.....the words were. Misspelled....OMG on the messages....some young person dun the messaging I think
Go back and watch that infamous Trish Stratus/ Vince segment on RAW when he makes her crawl around like a dog, and tell me that wasnt art imitating life
The intro I can say can describe what happened to Bray Wyatt. How his character was treated and destroyed by Goldberg was disgusting and I know Vince did that mess to prove some point. Work under Vince enough, you’ll lose your mind
'Laurinaitis' sounds like the name of a disease.
Ironically it rhymes with Laryngitis and he sounds as if he has a life sentence with that voice.
R.I.P. his brother Joe Laurinaitis, no wonder he’s better known as *Road Warrior Animal*
It is
He IS a disease....and a rampant one at that....i might be in the minority here but he makes my skin ctawl even more than Darth vince does
Diverticulitis Laurinatis
Vince is a sadistic sociopath, none of this is a surprise.
Who is worse Vince Diddy or Weinstein
@@angel-ij4xv Both are bad in many ways
@@GamingSaturnMoonManBoy for real crazy what these sick men do
Vince is a pervert but its was all consentual . If yoh think about it how many college football and b ball coaches would also be disgraced if only 10% of the girls who were paid 100 or 200 bucks to " show him a good time "by the coach with a wink when a prized recruit made a recruiting trip to their college came forward? 1000 maybe ? . The girl is a hooker with rhe only difference being instead of vince paying her she was getting paid by rhe wwe , obviously a big corporate no no .
This is not trafficking. This is just normal prostitution
I respect my mother and grandma to doing anything like to women... I'm no lefty simp too .@@angel-ij4xv
I absolutely believe Vince is this type of depraved, controlling, manipulative, Evil.
I got some great laughs from McMahon in the square ring, I always said he was a great entertainer, but if these disgusting accusations are true then he should be sent to prison for the rest of his life..
The Ultimate Warriors family should do a documentary called, the self destruction of Vince McMahon.
For real and well deserve😅❤🎉
why? Neither of them were great people..
Vince deserves hell
@@VolkXuetrue but in comparison, if this is true, Warrior looks like a saint in comparison.
@@VolkXue What does them being great people or not have to do with what the documentary was about?
Experts always say that sexual abuse isn’t about sex and is really about power. That’s clearly what was going on here. Vince was getting off on hurting this woman.
It's a fetish for sadism, power, and control. Reading the file it sounds like Janel developed Stockholm syndrome.
Why not both?
Who is the experts
Psychologists and criminologists@@justusbryant7366
All that money won't buy ur way out of Hell, Vinny.
Truth be told accepting jesus christ is the only way to get into heaven.
@fauxbro no its not. You could just be born Jewish and still get in lolz.
No but he sure paying his way into hell with all that money to cover this up allegedly 😅
Not if he don’t ever give his heart to God
I'm Jewish and we don't need to say a silly lusery rhyme. However that doesn't mean you get to reck lives and harm others and nature. Christians don't live a life of consistency of faith or being a good person.
Also please understand the difference between Jewish folks and Israelites if you don't lol @@paultheviewer
Then you wonder why cm punk called laurinitis a douchebag yes man
Probably because outside of the abuse stuff, he generally was a douchbag yes man, Johnny Ace was hated by a large majority of wrestlers even before this stuff came out.
Punk told the truth about everything
@@TrevorRyderbesides Vince and went back to his $
@@TrevorRyder paper punk has no problem taking that sweet wwe money. I hear he had to watch vince poop on aj lee to get his job back. Allegedly.
@@Mike-qz4by oh shut the hell up. We all know AJ Lee could beat Vince’s ass in a fight. Girl is jacked lol
What really annoys me, is that WWE is fully clear of all this and that's B.S! Everyone who knew and covered it up should be caught.
The Bella’s knew
@@PRiMETiMEFELiNEsteph knew. Big nose knew.
Triple H knew
Maybe some owners from Endeavor wanted to get rid of him and pushed the girl to talk it's a win win for her she will probably be rewarded.
*Thank you* René and James for using your platform to hold this devil of a man accountable.
So the Evil Corporate CEO wasn’t a character during the attitude era. It’s was just Vince showing his true colors to the world.
Well, that version of him DID seem to come a lot more natural than the polished, clean cut ring announcer he presented himself as before.
It was me, Austin...it was me all along!!
Hiding in plain sight.
Making Trish S. beg like a dog storyline takes on new meaning now.
@@majinbuu34 Let's not forget all the people that had to join the Kiss My Ass Club
You could tell that there were tons of things going through René's mind as he was listening to the breakdown. I'm sure it was a mix of empathy for the victim, as well as a realization that much of what he and others have said about "Vince and Friends" over the years is finally coming to fruition.
He looks so distraught Hearing these details.
@@ImGonnasayit That was part of it. He was likely outright bewildered.
Thoughts and prayers with any other fellow parent who had to answer the question "why wasnt Brock Lesnar in the Royal Rumble?" from their kid.
"Brock Lesnar died on the way back to his home planet"
Brock is going to get away with it, he can claim Vince is talking shit that he didn't have sex with her nor wanted piss pics
Plus he could go to tna , aew might not want him. Even thou it would be a perfect spot for him
Or Brock back in japan
Tell em he was too intoxicated and didn’t show… But he expressed his interest through text message…..
🫢🤐🤣
LMAO Dont ever sully the honorable death of Poochie 😂😂
He'll just retire and hunt moose. He never loved wrestling and was never a people person to begin with. He got WWE to pay top dollar for him for 20 years. He's set for life.@@GodLovesYou828
To quote myself "if Vince McMahon had never found out who his father was he would have ended up dead or in prison for life"
Vince thought an angle with a pregnant Stephanie McMahon with he being the father was hilarious to him
Rene's faces definitely sum up how to feel about all of this.
James is 💯 right, just because it’s consensual doesn’t mean it’s right. This is sick
It's never consensual if a woman is threatened with sexual violence. Telling a woman "either in the car or in the hotel room", err... That's not consent. Denying her protective sex, is assault.
@@philwill0123 so will be arrested like he should be? 🤔
@@philwill0123while you are right, this is assuming everything in this civil lawsuit is correct. The reality is everyone gives their own version of what happened. Maybe she agreed to some things, maybe she felt forced to agree to other things but went along anyway for the money. Who knows. Now is McMahon a sick and twisted individual? Probably. But none of us know how much consent she gave because she was being rewarded with money and gifts. Even if she hated what she was doing.
What a shitty situation - Vince McMahon
Gives me a bit of hope back in this often cruel world that there are men scared, alarmed and disgusted by this too.
This kind of crap is why I can't stand WWE. I'm glad I quit watching a disgusting product. The man has a daughter and 2 granddaughters, I'm wondering what kind of sick things he's been doing behind closed doors. Vince is just a sick excuse for the lowest lifeform on earth.
Pretty hard not to be disgusted at this like wtf
Men don’t get scared
@@PRiMETiMEFELiNE Yes we do. Don't be so ignorant. What Vince did is DIGUSTING, twisted perversion on a nother level.
@captainfootwear when is your sigma male podcast coming out?
Vince McMahon and Johnny Rapist are the New Dynamic Dudes
They truly are
@@JimmyCarter-dq3pv one likes piss and the other likes shit. unreal
@@JoeG2324 Lesnar is the one with the piss fettish I thought.
@@Matt92Machine maybe they can form a stable with lesnar, johnny ace and vinny mac?
Rene brings up a good point about Million Dollar Man making people jump through hoops being the guy Vince would most identify with.
A girl had to kiss DiBiase's feet once.
I've hated johnny ace since day 1
That Dark Side of the Ring details his childhood and the sexual abuse he endured, and from the little I understand about psychology that often the abused grow and develop into abusers themselves. It is a nasty cycle.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don’t sell your soul. It never ends well.
Vince sold his soul a long time ago.
It makes sense now and pounts out who wrote and came up with all those awful storyline and things we saw on tv. He is obsessed with sex and children seeing it just like he did. He wants us to relive his trauma and be abused just like him. Ultimate narcissistic Monster.
I wonder if he’d been abused as a child, often victims of grooming can exhibit the same behaviours in adulthood to deflect the trauma or as a distorted sense of taking back the control and power they didn’t have as children
You guys should track down Nailz and get him on the Café. Holy shit, that'd be a bombshell.
Add Billy Jack too, I'm sure he has a thing or two to say.
Vince probably never came onto Nailz . It was probably over $ and Nailz used it as an excuse for a fight . My dad did the same thing in the 60s . He got out of an assault rap in a bar fight by saying the guy made it homosexual advances at him. I do believe though that Vince repeatedly abused his power to gain sexual benefits from his employees . This dates way back to the 80s where a female referee claimed many of the same things. I also believe Vince paid of the PD to cover up the Snuka murder
Vince is the type of guy that will be reincarnated as a bum lol
James and Renee love you guys but can you consider editing out pics of the victim in this vid or futures vid. She doesn't need her face plastered everywhere. Much love, keep up the great work ❤
Imagine what's going through the Bella Twins minds right now. Their mom MARRIED Johnny before any of this stuff was revealed. 🤢
I’ve always thought that,that’s how the Bella’s got hired. Then they got their mom involved.
I lost my parents, back in the 9
80's -90's. But, I lost my job recently, my only set of car keys. I've been looking Hard for a job. I know how she feels about her parents and eviction, and cannot believe someone would take advantage of a person who has already been through so much. My heart goes out. I basically quit my job because I didn't like my boss, he's rotten too.
Tomorrow's headline ....."Vince Mcmahon signs legends deal with wwe"
René was crawling out his skin
The thing that keeps whirling around my mind is, this can't be a NEW thing for Vince. Surely in the days before social media and camera phones it was much, much easier to suppress. How many other women could there be out there like this poor woman?? I believe they found $20mil's worth of pay-offs so we know there are more. Had he not used company funds for these pay-offs we might never have even found out about all this!
Moment of silence for poor James, who not only had to read out these revolting texts, but also bowdlerise them in real time for the audience. Imagine how awful it was receiving those.
I thought for sure you made a spelling mistake but bowdlerise is an actual word! Learned something new today :)
I'm with James: the idea that a man, who is both father and grandpa to women, can't realize that treating another woman like a commodity is wrong defies any logical thinking to me
He wanted to do an incest storyline with Stephanie and him, and she turned it down. So he was going to treat his own daughter like that, on TV.
The look on Renee's face is similar to mine in that it's not only horrific if true, but given everything he knows about Vince, the company, and many others the realization of just how damn deep of a rabbit hole this could be is insane.
Rene your the best! Could listen to your point of view on anything. Great show as always!
I appreciate that!
Only just found this channel and have been watching loads of videos. James is such a great interviewer that I didn’t even realise he had a British accent until now. Love it when an interviewer actually lets the guest talk and doesn’t interrupt
Thanks bud
Triple H: "The Attitude Era was all about us just turning our personalities up to 11."
Frightening to think that the Mr. McMahon character appeared to be Vince actually DIALING down his personality to something like a 4 or 5.
I also think the female and even male talent that is currently signed. Should SERIOUSLY sit down with themselves and do some "self reflection". About continuing to work for a company that conducts itself in this manner. And if they have reached a decision to leave then get the hell out of your contracts now before the shit storm happens. They can go work for AEW or TNA or even abroad. WWE is NOT the only option out there. You have to think about money vs ethics and morals folks.
I can’t wait to hear their reaction when they see the statement from Johnny ace that he was also victimized by Vince
Bingo
Vince is like if Mr Burns & Ghetsis were a real person
The sad thing is none of this surprises me, especially Johnny Ace he always seemed like a slime ball. Also wont be surprised if Kevin Dunn was in on it too
I wonder if Peacock will remove the Trish Barks Like a Dog for Mr. McMahon segment.
I'd love to hear the thoughts from her and other Divas who dealt with Vince on daily/weekly basis at TV or house shows.
Re: Why Ms. Grant would reply with things like "baby" and why she's not as assertive as it seems many (mostly men) would expect her to be: Most of us (women) have experiences of being nice to men we aren't interested in because we're afraid of retaliation, even those we don't have any professional relationship with. Considering McMahon already knew everything about her -- he would have even had her SSN and everything -- and that he wielded SO MUCH power over her, it's easy to see why she'd feel unsafe angering him or even just ghosting him and trying to disappear. He could just find her and utterly destroy her life even further. Def. a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, and sad no matter how you look at it.
If he likes people begging, my bet is that's why he never paid her off. He wanted her to keep coming back and "begging" for her money. his way to keep her under his control
Sounds like Vince and Puffy have something in common. Smh
Puffy and Poopy.
Mustard on a hotdog is not a saying 😂
Wish they’d make public who all the other hush payments went to over the years. I know Christy Hemme was heavily rumoured to be one (can’t confirm that, obviously).
I've heard Christy Hemme talk about her time on Tazz's pod cast and she into details about what the issue was and it seemed more to do with they wanted her to get more training in the ring but after her time on Raw then Smackdown they said screw it just go to OVW, but were making her move out there. And she just felt they said one thing and did a different thing. So I never got the impression she was one of these women in NDA huss money payments.
Even worse when you remember the story of Chatterton (former female WWF Ref)
Vince could be spending the rest of his life in jail and Johnny Ace is going to throw him under the bus
Not a criminal case yet. I give it two weeks and Vince will have a warrant for his arrest , johnny and the physical therapist as well. Not brock
This is a civil lawsuit buddy which means nobody is going to jail. Right now she is going civil route which means the burden of provement is low and she gets paid. Cause if she is willing to go ciminial charges, then the burden of provement is higher, the stress is higher and she don't get paid. This is why you see alot of MeToo people going civil route.
@@bd4947 Nice. People are pointing out that while this is a civil case, Vinny Mac embezzled money illegally from WWE to pay for illegal contracts covering up illegal activities, which all of it is across state lines, not to mention a host of other felonies too long to mention...and that is the current federal case he was raided over, which he will catch indictments over. Secondly, civil has no impact on criminal, even without discovery, Janel was nice enough to openly provide everything a new FBI investigation would require, from the DOJ's standpoint.
Since there cannot be a second NDA to illegally cover up the illegal activities of the first NDA, then we know regardless of what settlement Vinny Mac may offer, it cannot contemplate, expressly or implied, that there be an NDA involved.
Do remember...this only touches one of the females so far, and doesn't touch the sham WWE sale civil suit, with very possible criminal suits to come out of that.
This is a civil suit so unless it turns into a criminal case he's not going to jail.
@@AndrewTheVikings if this is true, this whole thing is worse than Harvey Weinstein. Vince could go to jail for 25+ years. Johnny Ace will throw him under the bus to save himself. they want Vince and everyone turns on him, he's screwed
Turns out vince character on screen is the tame version of the real Vince. Can’t believe what I’m hearing. No wonder Steph distanced herself from wwe
As the bible says “the (evildoers) will look for death but not find it”.
Not surprised that the Something to Wrestle With Bruce Prichard podcast is dead quiet on this developing story... when everyone else including major media outlets and Law&Crime Network (youtube) is talking about this.
Rene was right on point with Pat saying Vince sees himself as the Million Dollar Man and likes to control people with the allure of money for demeaning and degrading tasks. In the Document It mentions a short time after they’d met as part of the grooming process Vince tells Janel they have a “ closeness “
If i had to profile Vince. I'd diagnose him as a malignant narcissist.
The "child like" behaviour has likely been there all the time. It certainly explains his previous behaviour.
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Renee, im sorry your ftaher regressed back to childhood(in his later years)
This often happens with sufferers of dementia or Alzheimer's. Sending hugs
Clearly this is just a Smear Campaign. Defecation of character.
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂 that's good 💩 pal
@ziamarie Thanks. I was worried it'd be a little corny.
The ultimate steamer is his signature move
This Vince drama is more entertaining than anything WWE has done in the past decade.
2 decades. Be honest.
@@PRiMETiMEFELiNE Sure
The most interesting part of all of this is how is this going to play out in narrative when it comes to WWE's past? They want to scrub him but nobody has been bigger in WWE history than him. The guy who started it, the guy who ran it for decades, the guy who was the hottest heel in WWE in the Attitude Era, etc. The voice of the company of tons of shows in the 80s. Nobody is more tattooed over WWE than him. Benoit was an easy guy to scrub by comparison.
We all know the rumors of stephanie being with randy savage this all makes me wonder if vince pimped out stephanie to macho man
“Sorry about Liz Ran’, here’s something that might cheer you up”
The way these guys handled this horrific topic is commendable. I listened to Jim Cornettes reaction and there was a lot of victim blaming and insensitivity. Renee seems like a stand up guy
So Vince was simply portraying himself in 2003! Well it was just a tip of an iceberg …
My new favourite new podcast. I’d rather hear the truth from the inside.
happy new year.
would be good if rene could finish his thoughts and finsish his sentences. theres innteruptions from the gentleman on the left (james)
thank you
Yes Vince is powerful and yes he has one helluva attorney. That has gotten him out of legal situations over the years anyone else would have been convicted of. HOWEVER, the more women who come forward will ultimately prove his guilt in all of this. One girl isn't going to get it done. But as i've been listening to other wrestlers/talent that have talked about this case. It's only the TIP of the iceberg for him right now. I would be shocked if this isn't the opening that other women or even men need to come forward with there own personal accounts of abuse. And THAT will be his undoing. No matter how strong is attorney is. The fact that a huge sponsor like Slim Jim has already pulled out is quite telling. You wonder how many others will. And without that financial backing he will be utterly screwed and rightfully so. However, Vince put himself in this situation know one else. He's a dirty bastard that is finally getting caught after all this time. In fact, i'll go so far as to say he's no better than Trump in terms of his ego and power trip attitude. He thinks he can evade the law and is invincible. I think this could be his next steroid scandal case in terms of size. And this is one i don't think he'll escape from so easily. I see more people coming forward after this individual without question. It's ironic to me that so many want to work for this company. And then after say 3-5yrs of being there are just so fed up with the politics and other shit that they can't really talk about while they are there. Then when they go and do a shoot interview they vent about how nasty the conditions were. I mean you can clearly see it's almost cathartic for them to get it off there chest talking about it. I'm not saying other wrestling companies don't have there own BS they are dealing with. But so many talents i've talked with in my 30yrs of watching and being a part of this business on the indy scene. Share the same sentiments about how happy they are once they are back on the independents. So that's saying a lot about a company as "A WHOLE". Which isn't going to bode well for them long term. And i believe Paul is right this is only the beginning of the shit storm to come. I also feel that the only way to EFFECTIVELY take care of this shit. Is for the fans to boycott and not go to the shows. Why would you take your family to a company that does this. I mean you continue to buy tickets which basically means your supporting a company that believes in proselytizing and raping women...? C'mon folks get a fuckin clue...!!!
René, will you guys be at WrestleCon in April?
It’s 100% ALL TRUE!
There’s more stories!
A lot more,
Vince has been abusing a lot of wwe women & workers for years & years and gotten away with it!
THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED NOW THO!
"....gonna be on it like mustard on a hotdog" is probably the most American thing Rene ever said in his life.
I need a DDT or a Suplex (your choice) after hearing all this read aloud.
100 dollar Hocker destroyed vince and stole millions
Not surprised not surprised but this is what rich people do anyway
Whether it’s 4 years or 40 years karma always has a way of collecting
The 2 executives are kevin dunn and steph the ref was mike chioda the celebrity doctor was dr oz
Allegedly..there's always her story, his story and you have the truth..this wasnt a problem until her money stopped rolling in. While living the high life for what 3 or 4 years..really!? They're gonna Bill Cosby Vince like that? All I can say is she's not going to get away with it. She hung around for too long, it was fifty shades of consensual fun the way I see it and the money that was thrown around.
Nah she will likely get a huge payout and Vince is finished. This is monstrous, demonic behaviour no matter how u slice it.
Where's Paul?
In a seperate vid. Its heartbreaking to watch because you can tell he knows something happened with his GF or ex GF Ashley
Makes ya kinda wonder if Vince did have something to do with Chris Benoits case. Could have paid some people off after a bunch of people came out said Vince was smashing Nancy before.
Vince wouldn't be able to keep that a secret for so long. He couldn't keep this a secret and it was just a couple years ago.
You either die a beloved Cartoon Supervillain, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Real Life Villain.
Vince and Ace were running a train on this girl
Threatened her to the point where she was brainwashed
Are these new allegations/details? Or is it all the original allegations?
Original...but Vince is under a IWC Witch Hunt
@@romans52345-cy3tq What do you mean? Are you saying it's all false?
The original leak almost a year ago said Vince was paying millions of dollars in hush money to multiple women, one of whom was an outside legal consultant. This was because Khan (no not that Khan) had discovered all these fraudulent paychecks. It now looks like it was mostly this one woman and Vince hid her by moving her around to different non-existent jobs like outside legal consultant. If so, that is totally illegal. He was using company money, not his own. As far as sex-trafficing, it seems like the "victim" was paid millions of dollars over that period so it will be a bit difficult to sell that as a felony. It makes a good story and his and Linda's ties to Trump will be repeated and kept in the news until the election. But otherwise he at most will be charged with misusing company funds and will pay a lot of money in reimbursement and fines. They don't send 80 year old billionaires to prison.
It’s seen in Wrestling With Shadows WWF backstage area Vinces office was next door to women’s dressing room 🤔
Renee’s face saying what we all thinking
Wall Street Journal... aren't they the ones that accused Pewdiepie of being a Nazi?
Reading is difficult for James
I'm just getting up to speed on this case: is it fair to say that Ms Grant was a willing participant (in all the debauchery) up till a certain point, and then she wanted out at some point later on? The activities that went on between all of them clearly escalated from a consensual starting point, so if it escalated too much later on, why didnt she just immediately leave the entire situation? Am i missing something?
No. She never consented to any of it. If she didn't comply, Vince would have literally ruined her life. If there are consequences for staying no, it is not possible to give free informed consent.
@@SM-BSW But she was in her 40's when this happened and was clearly able to make a reasonable decision to willingly leave. The consequences of leaving are not worse than staying. She received significant pay in her unearned, fake positions (so the consequences you mention were not monetary), and if Vince paid her the full 3m for the NDA we likely would not even have a legal case right now. I dont understand how she could expect to continue her career tragectary elsewhere in director roles when she was clearly incapable of performing those roles. As an adult she was obviously comlicit to a certain degree over the 3 years following her many received gifts etc. She allowed these things to happen to her and surely has some degree of responsibility also.
@@technoviking4131intimidation, desperation, grooming... many potential reasons. Vince is a very rich&powerful man.
James you made good points at the end
Innocent until proven guilty but something tells me Vince Mcmahon is the type of person who would do this foul, nasty, controlling stuff
Haha that saying is so invalid.
If they’re guilty, they weren’t innocent. So how could you say that.
The way James says WWE!!
I feel like he’s a big 50 shades of gray fan 🫣
Reading and listening to those that read all these accusations in full details made me think. Those details are so bad that part of me feels it came from a 18yr old virgin who smacks to porn all day in the basement. If all of this officially is true someday, I can’t imagine how this affects his family and wwe as a whole.
So many loopholes in this story.
- Why doubt she didnt know what she was being hired for?
- Multi-million dollar paychecks and gifts with no skills.
- Living in the same apartment as Vince suggests she wasn't destitute either.
- Maybe we're only hearing one side of the story before jumping to conclusions.
- It's possible she was used up and wanted more money, leading to these stories.
- Vince is no an angel, but what's she really complaining about?
She want her 2million from nda which Vince denied to pay.
Its all about control.
The girl calling mcmahon "baby" is for her self protection... appeasing the savage beast
Anyone reading that reads these texts and still thinks this woman is a victim is odd. She clearly was all for it until the $ stopped. All this does is keep real abuse in the shadows.
Theirs many victims. You’re the oddball or peanut brain idk which.
I cant believe she's 38 in that pic?? Also vince holding out a bone to a dog then taking it away for fun perfectly sums up his scum baggery!
@Cafe de Rene with Rene Dupree to be quite honest with you, that sounds like Deminata, (but this is still bad no matter what.) As a former brother, (got out of wrestling back in 2013, and did some charity shows.) But we all heard of the most unrealistic thing that Vince is as a human being. You are right that if this goes to trail, Jerry McDivits, (sorry if I misspelled Vince's lawyers name.) But they will try everything in the book to say it was conseanual, and that it was about the NDA, not getting paid. I do feel that Vince as a promoter has done a lot, but also have screwed with a lot of people in the business. I can only imagine about the girls in the business. I can only wonder of Stephanie, and Hunter's family since they have daughters. I can only imagine any right human being just being just beyond shocked, but not really if you know Vince lol. So I can really tell that this is really affecting a lot of people. Like I said on smaller indie shows, and for different shows I have seen stuff to where I stepped in and told other people to stop, and they would try to "get big on me" yet I just started out in 2010. I am not going say who that person was because he was in that "Me too scandle" so he got what he deserved. But the point I am making, or saying is that you don't know people behind closed doors, and it's a shame that this will be the legacy for Vince, but honestly, he deserved worst.
Peepold Pawah 😂
Good point on the million dollar man gimmick....true also
I don't believe for 1 second Vince McMahon sent them messages at all.....the words were. Misspelled....OMG on the messages....some young person dun the messaging I think
Go back and watch that infamous Trish Stratus/ Vince segment on RAW when he makes her crawl around like a dog, and tell me that wasnt art imitating life
The judge should play Vince’s theme when he try’s to bribe his way out of this
This is all so sad, wrestling is meant to be a nice escapism from the real world.
And its deeper into darkness and sadness
The intro I can say can describe what happened to Bray Wyatt. How his character was treated and destroyed by Goldberg was disgusting and I know Vince did that mess to prove some point. Work under Vince enough, you’ll lose your mind
Vince and buddies will say she was a willing participant and liked it. Her saying 'baby' will be used against her.