Thank you for this information. My 2012 Sportwagen TDI just had a catostrophic pump failure at 115,152 MI in April of 2020. It was fully covered (I only had to pony up for the Timing belt kit and Labor). Thanks again for your videos.
These cars are continuing to have failures as the mileage on cars that have been sold back to the public after "dieselgate" , increases. I lost my FIRST HPFP at 109,000, while the car was still under the extended warranty..I lost THE SECOND HPFP at around 162,000. So....the replacement pump(s) that were supposed to be the "fix" for the "poor quality" OEM system didn't even last HALF of the mileage of the original low quality pumps. My car was showing hard-starting issues about 30K after the first pumps were replaced and had I been more aware of the 50k warranty the dealership extended on it's repair work.....I wouldn't have spent $4100+ getting ALL 3 pumps and the injectors replaced. There should be another class-action suit against VW about this problem. It's not isolated and it's not connected to gas contamination as VW would have us think. I used Diesel Kleen consistently in my fuel for lubricity and to reduce the ash going to the DPF....and I still had the second pump fail. I'm in Oregon and the compliance of fuel sources to keep their tanks clean is tightly regulated, so I'd have to conclude it's poor metallurgy in the pumps being supplied to the dealers. The consumer should not be the ones getting ripped-off over this. Mine is a 2011 JSW TDI. I maintain it meticulously. All recommended VW servicing on time or early.
The HPFP in my 2009 Jetta TDi (aka, "Das Booger") FAILED this past Saturday JUST after i filled the take up at a local watering hole! MIL came on (P0087 code among others that indicated fuel system issues), pre-glow light flashed on and off and car went into limp mode. Got it home and let it sit. Fired it up next day, allowed it to warm up and noticed that it was missing and it was emitting excessive black and sometimes a puff of greyish smoke out the tailpipe that was quite STANKY. Drove it for a bit and it immediately went into limp mode again. Pulled it back into the garage, shut it down and it would not fire after that. I was DOUBLY worried about this because I had just gone through two tank fulls of Propel HPR biomass diesel (love this stuff btw) that I got from a trip to Cally in March and as stated, the car $H!T the bed immediately after I put distillate Diesel back in the tank. Talk about the HOLY SHAT factor and being WHOLLY bummed! Anyway, didn't know about the issues with the HPFP and the subsequent warranty extension until I saw this video while doing online research following the failure. This gave me hope even though I did NOT opt for the misfueling guard back in 2013 when VW mentioned it to me (lesson learned, get EVERY recall fix that comes along period). Opened case #170523581 with VW USA and had my Little Black Booger towed to the local VW dealership today where I bought it back in 2011 using the VW TDi Goodwill Program complimentary towing service for fuel analysis and diagnosis. The verdict? It's COVERED!! WOOOT!!! WOOOOOOOT!!! It's gonna be there a few days while they get the parts, but am going to get a loaner in the meantime. A BIG thank you to the Humble Mechanic for taking the time to produce this MOST helpful video! I was REALLY worried I was gonna have to say "auf Wiedersehen" to my beloved little oil burner and go back to a gasser (I had JUST had the exhaust system upgraded to a RawTek high flow system along with a Malone Stage 2 performance tune ta boot AND a new stereo deck this past January)! Thanks guys! You ROCK!!!
Charles, I have been doing some research to do a oil and fuel filter change on my wife's 2012 Jetta TDI. When looking into the fuel filter change it said about using VCDS to prime the fuel system. I also found people saying if you didn't have VCDS you could jump power to the pump or fill the filter housing with fuel. Other also said they never bothered priming it at all. Knowing the cars have issues with the HPFP I didn't know if this could raise the likely hood of a failure. Thanks in advance for any input.
I have been doing my own fuel filter changes on my 2012 Jetta TDI, all that i do is fill the filter with diesel before dropping it in the canister and i have not had any problems, it starts up pretty fast, I rev it a minute (like less than 2000 RPM) and then let it idle for a few minutes and no problems at all.
Thanks Humblemechanic for your videos! My question is, Does it make a difference if your car was made in Mexico or Germany ? My 2013 golf is made in Germany so I don't know if I have to frick out or not !LOL Thanks again.
Before I traded my TDI for a GTI I had to remove that stupid misfueling guard. My dealer told me to remove it because it was nearly impossible to refuel without spilling diesel fuel on the ground. Maybe it worked with some pumps, but most stations I go to had trouble with that adapter.
I have my 2010 jetta tdi that metal shaving are all over my fuel system. I recently towed it home but now I need to fix it. Help this is my first diesel and don't know where to begin to repair it. I live in southern california.
I’ve got a 2015 Passat TDI, and this thing EATS fuel pumps. I’ve had the HPFP and lift pump both replaced under the “dieselgate” warranty. 8 months later, I have no warranty and my fuel pump is out again. This is the third time in 4 years.
So I have a 2012 Passat TDI. I just bought it and since it's now Jan. 2023 I may have missed the boat on the warranty extension. It has a fuel pressure issue. (P0087, P0088) It cranks and idles fine. I cleared codes and it ran like a champ for a few miles, then check engine light again and wouldn't go over 45-50 mph. Fuel filter was nasty and had some particles in the housing. Changed filter, cleaned the housing. Pulled fuel pressure regulator like in the video and it's totally clean. Should I take it to the dealer? I have only 80,260 miles.
just bought 2013 Tdi vw passat. I bought it from auction it couldn’t start, i took it to my local shop and they called me yesterday saying: your fule system is messed hpfp threw some metal shavings and everything needs to be replaced. Took my car to VW and they checked the fuel and dude who works there said “fuel didnt passed the quality test because there was some water probably from car sitting too long” and he said before we start anything we have to clean this first and add fresh fuel in it maybe its just fuel, and he said if it don’t start then we will replace everything else under warranty. I asked him i thouht water in fuel void warranty, he said that shouldn’t be an issue. They want to charge me $750 for flushing cleaning lines new fuel and filter because this is not coveted under warranty but everything else it is? what do u think ? please help
Hello everyone, I have got a VW GOLF 2.0TDI engine code CFFB, the car is 9 year old with 80.000 mls, and do very little drive, is due an inspection next month so decided to give a good wash, sit in half turn car start but on the way to car wash start getting a strange loud buzzing from the primary low pressure fuel pump, I attache the video th-cam.com/video/O3ORLjrQKw8/w-d-xo.html, is this a sign that pump is on the way out? Or it will go in time? Or the noise is ok and should be there?
At work we have few mk6 golfs with the 1.6tdi cayc, i replaced fuel pump on all of them because they were leaking at the pulley shaft. I think even on a passat 2.0 i replaced the hpfp. I believe 2 engines were replaced at vw from timing belt failure due to fuel leaking on serpentine belt and timing skipped. Besides hpfp and egr are maintenance free to 300k km, only one had a problem with dpf, pretty good, well except hpfp. i can still see some fine metal particles on fuel filter wich is changed at 10-15k km. we did not reach out to vw to pay for the repairs. Cars are about 2012-2013.
My 2009 jetta pump just failed at 170k miles. The original pump failed at 55k miles. These will continue to fail!!! VW is not making changes to increase longevity.... These need a filter to catch the shards, why is vw draging it's feet... oh yea I forgot, they are liers and cheated the emmision system... I see a pattern?
The HumbleMechanic is absolutely right, I have a 2012 Jetta TDI, Had the modification done rather than the buy back, that was a huge mistake. The dealer and the VW website says i have the extended warranty. My check engine light comes on at about 90,000 miles, I take my car to the dealer and they tell me that i have metal filings in my fuel but then tell me that VW will not cover the warranty because there was no Misfuel Guard Kit installed. My advice is that if you have one of these cars that is supposedly under warranty and you do not have the Misfuel Guard kit on it, to get it installed now. I would not take it to the dealer to have the kit installed. The cost is so minimal compared to having to replace your HPFP and all the other components. The dealer did not care that i had never put gas in my rig, I bought the car new and have never put any gas in the tank and no one else has ever put fuel in my car. So it is not about possibly getting gas in the tank, it is VW using the Misfuel Guard as an excuse to not honor the Warranty that they say i had.
mrorganic88 just curious, what we’re your symptoms? Today mine sputtered to start then died, then started. Been sputtering at stops for a couple days as well
Just had a customer car come in with this dreaded problem ! He bought it used & it has almost 140K on the odometer. Just paid 12k for it used New pump over 500.00 injectors 538.00 Each, In tank pump 180.00 Have not found the fuel rail yet but i know it will cost an Arm & a Leg. What is one to do with one of these cars out of the extended warranty ? Esp here in a remote part of Alaska Can the Rail & lines & tank be cleaned instead of replaced ??? Thank You Charlie for the Great Posting. Love your work. Peace to you man.
The big question is, where to get quality fuel? The diesel nowwadays is so dry that it is not lubing the HPFP anymore. But adding two stroke oil to the fuel, to raise the lubing, will cut off the warranty, because you have but something in to the fuel. Dead case.
Thanks for sharing this info! I would add: *Audi A3s are getting this, too *Audi letter came with reimbursement request form for past failure, as VAG was somewhat random in denying/OKing for a while *always save your fuel receipts *if past the extended warranty limits and/or you love your car, I would install the kits that reroute and filter the shrapnel when the hpfp fails. (The letter talks about denying coverage if there are mods that cause the failure, but I would bet you could find yourself denied if you have these systems that contain the failure.) *though it is a very big bill (and potentially dangerous, as the car can stall suddenly), these fail in a very small percentage of CR TDIs, which are overall awesome cars. I do have a few questions for you or anyone who knows for sure: 1. Lubricity additives are highly recommended in forums as the very best way to prevent hpfp failure (besides not fueling with gas, high % bio, WVO, or shady diesel). Would an additive like Power Service (silver or winter/white) show up as a contaminate in testing? 2. Letter does not say they will cover the damage caused to the rest of the fuel system by an hpfp failure, just talks about replacing the hpfp. Do you have access to more info than the letter, specifically showing they will cover the entire fuel system when damaged by the hpfp? I know they have been covering the whole mess when they (somewhat randomly) provided "good will" coverage for SOME owners with the failure, but they were also goodwilling much higher mileage vehicles and they seem to be trying to contain their expenses now.
Venezia1110 Thanks for the info on Audi. I didn't realize they had the same issue. The info we have is very much the same as customers got. My guess is, they will cover the entire repair, but that is just a guess. I have not done one under this new warranty extension
Hi I'm Serkan from Turkey. I have 2012 TDI Jetta . It'is 74000 km. The high pressure fuel pump has a damage. They want from me 5000 Eruo. How can use the warranty extension? Please help me. Regards
I just bought a 2012 Passat TDI with 22,000 miles on it. It was a buy back from original owner for the diesel gate stuff. Should I be adding a product like Stanadyne at every fill up to help with fuel lubericity problems?
I'm replacing fuel system parts on a 2010 Jetta Sportwagen right now that had HPFP failure due to contaminated fuel. HPFP, Injectors, all filters replaced, and fuel system drained and purged. No metal in fuel system. This vehicle isn't covered by the warranty extension so the customer is paying out of pocket. He's not too happy.
HumbleMechanic He doesn't have the fueling guard installed either. I'm sure the dealer would have refused to cover it for that reason alone, due to the cost in parts and labor as you mentioned earlier.
10 years or 120,000 miles? I have an 09 TDI with 195k miles. So do I have good pump or what? VW is screwing us again. Who in their right mind buys TDI and drives less than 10,000 miles a year.
I have a 2015 model and have the pump failure, the car is screwed.. The local garage told me that the pumps are the same until the new models starting from 2016 and they still go bad after a time and blow the metal all around the fuel.. Most problems happen before 2012 but they still use the same pumps and they are not improved for now. The garage had a lot of these problems recently from Golf to Audi A5. So sad that they know this is happening and don't come with a fix or drop the price ratings..
This video is a couple of years old, but if you're a VW Diesel hobbyist, don't even let your common rail 2.0 anywhere near a VW dealer these days for a fuel guard or anything else for that matter with this emissions scandal nonsense.. They'll practically hold your car hostage for "software updates", stickers, fuel guards or whatever. They'll try to frighten you with the repair costs of a failed fuel pump, but the reality is that there is about a 1% failure rate on these fuel pumps and I'm past the warranty period anyhow. My 2011 Golf is still running the original "evil" factory software, original "evil" fuel tank opening, etc and it runs like a champ with lubricity added religiously every tankful. I'm going to drive it into the ground just like it is for however long that ends up being.
+scdevon I don't think most dealer folks care one way or another if you have the fuel guard in. But if you decline it, they have an obligation to tell you what may happen if you have pump failure. I've never heard of a dealer "holding a car hostage" for updates. It's as simple as saying you don't want the update. Unless you have some crazy dealers around you. Lol
Hi my car have problems no starting but it crank after checking I saw no fuel coming from tank I change pump in the tank but steel no starting am checking the fuel come up to high pressure fuel pump but no going to fuel gallery for nozzles .... What is the problems of it
Hi just need some quick advice The pressure valve meter on the pump Volkswagen said in there handbook not to remove it but it doesn’t say why do you know why as I have a new one coming we think that’s the fault and the pressure sensor but do you know if there is a procedure?? Thanks mike
what do you know about changing to a cp3 retrofit on a maintenance basis. Before it goes bad and how many miles is the warranty stated. Mine was done at 165 and now I have 225. So I was thinking on a maintenance basis replace the HPFP before it grenades maybe to the CP3.
Help! My Jetta TDI hp Fuel pump just failed 2 days ago. What's worse I called VW and I am passed 200 miles of the extended 48,000 mille warranty. They won't cover it. I bought the car 5 months ago. I start reading about the problem. I was close to changing the fuel pump because I was told it could fail. It was going to cost me 2,700. Now it will cost me a lot more than the value of the car. Any ideas what I can do?
Some people that y how put a small amount of 2S oil in the diesel fuel in order to prevent that, after a pump replacement and clean the fuel system (injectors, lines, fuel tank, fuel filter, and fuel cooler) ! No trouble yet !
we just received a replacement a hpfp from the dealer and it no longer is manufactured with the locator pin hole! so does it matter what orientation the pump shaft is install in relation to the cam and crank???? charles can you shed some light on this?
2011 Jetta with 78k miles... just lost my HPFP tonight. Great video, just wish you could have shown more detail about what a misfueling guard may look like. My car doesn't have any campaign stickers, but it does look like the filler may have been modified. Will call the dealer with a VIN to find out more. Thanks for posting detailed videos like this :)
@@avenged06x Fired right up. I would still consider at least using the service position. even if you just loosen it and bring it back like 4 to 6 inches. Leave the lower bolts in with a few threads. Really helps. I only had my engine out because I was exchanging it with another engine My oil pump failed.
I bought 2012 Jetta TDI 125K. Now car won't start, fuel system is messed up. Dealer said what you said, its out of warranty, they said it cost $5000 to fix it, I'm screwed. They said fuel pump is messed up so it clogged the injectors and lines with metal stuff from the pump??!!! Please help
+HumbleMechanic is it a CP4.2? in a Duramax i've yet to see a CP3 do this, seen pump bodys crack and seize cracking the cam gear a few times. but the CP4.2 loves to do this.
Great video! You really have helped me with many of your videos. I wondering if you could tell me some odd the symptoms of a failing fuel pump. I recently bought and took my 2009 Jettawagon TDI in for the 100,000 mile service and they recommended the fuel filter replaced, as it should be done every 20k miles. Since I'm new to working on diesel engines I had them do it. Ever since I did I can smell diesel fuel when I park inside my garage. I took it back and they told me my auxiliary fuel pump and something like a banjo bolt were the cause of the leak. I never smelled fuel before. It's like $580 in repairs.
HumbleMechanic Thanks for the Reply Charlie I'll get through it. Trying to Keep the costs down for the guy. He just got this car a few months ago & loved it up until now. were more than 1000 miles away from any VW Dealer & the car has 140K & he bought it use so I'm sure the Dealer would throw him under the bus quickly ! 1 ??? is it possible to clean the fuel rail out ? Or should it be replaced ? & how about sending the injectors & rail to a place that overhauls pumps & injectors maybe it would save money over buying new ? We do plan to do the latest up dated pump Thanks again for your help Love your videos !!! Your a great guy for helping so many out. You truly live up to your title. Never stop being Humble ! ;-)
Mine just gave out yesterday. 09 Jetta. It's at a dealer in Vegas now. Hoping they cover it. 104k. Got the letter in June. What does the filler protector look like? I think I have one. Is it those metal teeth looking things? Thanks for your Vid!
+Jimmy Beidler Follow-up - I picked up my 2011 Golf TDI (88K Miles) on Saturday!! VW sent the Diesel out for testing, results came back free of gasoline. VW - true to word did replace everything, honoring the 120K Mile extended warranty for the HPFP fix. They replaced the High Pressure Fuel Pump, High Pressure Fuel Lines, Fuel Rail, All 4 Fuel Injectors, Fuel Return Lines, Fuel Filter, Fuel Housing, and Auxiliary Fuel Pump. VW also gave me a new Jetta to drive while my car was in for the warranty work. I can not say enough good things about Ciocca Volkswagen and their service department.
I didn’t here you say Audi ??? I have 2009 A3 Engine died but know swarf inside pump only very small bits in filter Error code low fuel pressure and now won’t start i’ve had the car six years has 128,000 miles and has never missed a beat never had issues until now
HumbleMechanic that’s what I’m thinking is not 100% sure there is metal filings but not very much in the fuel filter and that hasn’t been changed for a very long time and a few bits in the tank but only can see them with the light really not much at all but I’m thinking this is science of the pump going as well and in the fuel pressure meter there is no metal filings at all but the car just won’t start I’ve primed all the pumps and I’m getting fuel at the fuel rail but my fuel pressure meter is buzzing very loud all the time when ignition is on going to replace this and see what happens going to start the car and see if I get any fuel come out the fuel rails that way as the Electric pump under the Bonnet is just for bleeding purposes I think and I do it through on vadcom
Just had my 2014 refitted with a new HPFP and everything else. VW covered the whole cost. Good company, treated me very well but these dang pumps are a nightmare. I had only 52K on it. Had to tow it 350 miles.I use Shell diesel if that means anything. I live in Ca.
First off, I am really happy they covered it. That is not a repair anyone wants to pay for. I have not seen any that new fail catastrophically. Had a few fail causing drivability issues but not full system failure.
7 years later I'm here with the same Problem except mine went out 20 days after my Warranty expired vehicle is 10 years old. 99500 miles $9377 Fix.It went out on my way to work lost power than completely Died.My Wife and two Daughters were gonna use it the next day on a 200 Mile trip to visit Family. This was my First Vw I really enjoyed it but Now I have a German Paperweight sitting in my Driveway.
Really enjoyed our ‘13 Passat TDI, which we bought new, drove for 5 years, then sold back to VW under the Dieselgate settlement for only about $2200 less than we paid. But the fuel system issue was just one of several reasons I’m glad it’s behind us.
HumbleMechanic Like winning the lottery on a small scale. Now driving an ‘18 Honda Accord, burning plain old 87 octane and enjoying it, but we’d probably still be driving a TDI if VW hadn’t pulled the plug.
I'm scared....just bought a 2014. I read up on it b4 purchase but I thought it was 09 thru 12 but my 14 has this....I'm screwed I always have the worst luck so I'm gonna end up letting bank have it if it fails
+HumbleMechanic thanks man. when should I get rid of it lol? it has 22k on it, at what point does vw warranty coverage drop out? how about extended warranty, do they typically cover it?
Blake, I have a 2015 model and have the pump failure, the car is screwed.. The local garage told me that the pumps are the same and they go bad after a time and blow the metal all around the fuel.. Most problems happen before 2012 but they still use the same pumps and they are not improved for now. The garage had a lot of these problems recently from Golf to Audi A5. So sad that they know this is happening and don't come with a fix or drop the price ratings..
Great information, so thanks. My question is; how can I prove that the fuel I bought was contaminated from the gas station? Both of our vehicles are diesel, and there is zero chance that we put gasoline in by mistake. And, going forward, there is no way to tell if the fuel I am buying is contaminated? Even if there were a common test kit, testing the fuel every time you fill up is absurd. 2012 Passat has only got a blue book of about 10 to $12k. If I am looking at a 6 to 8 thousand dollar repair job, I might as well take the car to a dismantler and get what I can for it. Any suggestions???
+urnotserius In some ways it is a dice roll. If there was a station that I was concerned about, I would get a sample of fuel in a can and have it tested. But no way I would do that every time.
+HumbleMechanic - Thanks. I am in waiting for the dealer's results on the fuel test from the lab. Keeping fingers x'd, but expecting the worst. We keep the car garaged, so it is pristine condition. My backup plan in the worst case scenario is to sell it on ebay (with full disclosure), just to get rid of it. Too bad, as we were planning to keep it many years due to the durability of a diesel engine. I guess the durability part is a myth with VW.
HumbleMechanic - Wow! I guess we lucked out. The fuel was pure, so VW picked up the tab for the repair (just under $8k). I still think it is ridiculous that even the slightest amount of contamination would cause this catastrophic of a failure. Lesson learned. We are going to wait until VW makes the settlement on the lawsuits over pollution, and then dump the car. No more VW's for us.
urnotserius Common rail is not very forgiving on dirt/bad fuel. I'm diesel for life, but I know better that everything after the mk4 diesels is crap if your not careful. And diesels anymore with all the controls and extra expense aren't worth it to me, I don't drive enough Miles to see any payback for probably 8-10yrs. so I just picked up a 2014 Jetta gasser instead, it's supposed to pull mid 30s or so on the highway. For another 5-8mpg a diesel isn't worth it anymore. I keep the 91 Jetta coupe with its rattly diesel to fulfill the diesel niche these days.
VW was covering higher mileage vehicles before this announcement. At least there is a definition of the policy now. Looks like owning a TDI with over 120,000 miles is a risky affair due to the cost of repair. This should also negatively affect resale of higher mileage cars too. It would benefit VW to come up with a more fail-safe fuel system design. If the pump fails, it doesn't create as much collateral damage. Replace the pump, and maybe the injectors and your done. Do you think placing a filter on the fuel return line would minimize the damage?
Matthew Gaines There is a company that makes a filter kit, I can't seem to find the link. Don't forget about the DPF having a 120k replacement interval. :/
HumbleMechanic The replacement of the DPF ($2000 max?) at some point is a reasonable expectation and cost. I heard some go at around 110k to 150k and others have over 200k and they are still going strong. On other hand, paying the price of an engine replacement ($7,000) without getting an engine is too stiff of a pill to swallow. This and higher mileage gasoline cars are going to kill the TDI market. These things used to be highly desirable new and used. I also have a 2015 Golf TDI and I'm going to try the filter out once the factory powertrain warranty is through. A 15+ year TDI owner has just shed a tear. :-( Once again thanks for the great content and enthusiasm for the community.
When you do the filter, let me know. I would love to hear how it goes. I think things are going to get worse for diesels. As they add more emissions controls to comply with govt regulations, the performance and reliability may go down.
HumbleMechanic The company is 2microntech. I was just about to order their kits when I got the letter on the warranty extension. I will definitely do it when I hit the end of this extension. The don't just make a filter kit, their flow adapter reroutes the hpfp so the high-pressure side receives its own clean fuel supply directly from the electric fuel pump, vs. the faulty stock design that passes fuel from the low-pressure side to the high-pressure side of the HPFP and allows for shrapnel to shoot into the rail, injectors, etc. when the pump fails. The filter kit, on the other hand, is needed to catch any metal particles that would normally be returned to the factory fuel filter (and on to the fuel tank, etc.)
Hi, Great video. Thanks for the info. Just had my HPFP go on my 2011 jetta sportwagen tdi. I put diesel in it, howevere they are sending it out to make sure its not contaminated. Any suggestions as to how to get the filling station to pay for it if the gas is bad? Thanks
vw said it is diesel but i might be contaminated with alittle water or actual gas? i hope it gets covered!!! or im screwed. but maybe i will just have vw buyback the car the way it is
hey there, what was the outcome of your fuel test? I am running into the same situation as you (fuel was diesel, but still sent out for fuel test). VW will not cover the damage under the extended warranty. This is the second time I've have to have my fuel system replaced for my 2012 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. Curious about how your situation was handled after they issued the parameters of the extended warranty.
My wife's 2011 Jetta TDI, 101k miles, HPFP just went out. The fuel guard is installed. The VW dealer pulled a sample and already started claiming the sample smells like gasoline. If I believe they are mistaken what are my options? I was not there to verify the sample nor was someone whom I trust. We filled up at a new fuel station and have a record from the fuel station that it was in fact diesel. Video proof as well. Should I contact a lawyer or send off a separate sample myself?
+Rick Newman They are suppose to test the fuel. There is a procedure for it, and we have a special test kit. If the results come back off, they need to send it out to have it tested. Call VW of America!
I was a bit frustrated when the dealer immediately implied the fuel smelled like gasoline. Currently I'm in Afghanistan, military, and.my wife is dealing with them. We have been loyal customers and have always complied with the dealers suggested maintenance. Also, I had the fuel filter replace in early March. Just before I left the country. Do you think the new filter might have played into the HPFP going out? Maybe it stirred something loose...
+Rick Newman Doubt it. My guess is, this is just a failure. I would really want to have a proper fuel test done. I hate you're having issues man. That sucks!
+HumbleMechanic Just got word from the dealer our Jetta did in fact have diesel in the tank. VW will be replacing the entire fuel system due to the extensive amount of metal in the fuel system. Surprisongly they jad all parta on hand ecept one fuel line. I asked them to go ahead and replace the timing belt and water pump while they are at it. The car has 101k miles.... Thanks for all the great information! Thumbs up for Humble Mechanic
Somehow I have missed "why" the pumps are failing. Did the same company make the camshafts as the fuel pump? I have had 3 Touaregs never a problem, now drive Merc's. Have run all diesels (pickups and cars) for the last 25 years, maintenance is the key.
@@HumbleMechanic I must have been lucky, but always traded early. My trucks I run longer. I will admit, I once did accidentally put 25 gallons unleaded in my 30 gallon diesel tank (tailpipe flames were pretty at night). Bad lighting at dual gas/diesel pump island, just a bad setup, 2 sets of dual side by side pumps. Diesel - Gas and Gas - Diesel, pulled up to far for 1st pump and grabbed 3rd thinking it was diesel, oops, skyrockets at night. I drive a '13 S350 now and love it (glutton for punishment). Have a friend in Canada loves his Jetta Mk4 ALH with 435,000 kilometers. He is looking at an '06 with a 1.9 in it (cam is bad on #4) 130.000 kilometers, but he is getting it cheap. does run, but rough. He can fix the cam and lifters. He watches your channel, told him about the most needed tools and he said he saw it. Enjoying the content, can always learn something, thank you for the effort to put it out.
what's the difference between the 09-12 and the 13-14 models and why only some?
Thank you for this information. My 2012 Sportwagen TDI just had a catostrophic pump failure at 115,152 MI in April of 2020. It was fully covered (I only had to pony up for the Timing belt kit and Labor). Thanks again for your videos.
These cars are continuing to have failures as the mileage on cars that have been sold back to the public after "dieselgate" , increases. I lost my FIRST HPFP at 109,000, while the car was still under the extended warranty..I lost THE SECOND HPFP at around 162,000. So....the replacement pump(s) that were supposed to be the "fix" for the "poor quality" OEM system didn't even last HALF of the mileage of the original low quality pumps. My car was showing hard-starting issues about 30K after the first pumps were replaced and had I been more aware of the 50k warranty the dealership extended on it's repair work.....I wouldn't have spent $4100+ getting ALL 3 pumps and the injectors replaced. There should be another class-action suit against VW about this problem. It's not isolated and it's not connected to gas contamination as VW would have us think. I used Diesel Kleen consistently in my fuel for lubricity and to reduce the ash going to the DPF....and I still had the second pump fail. I'm in Oregon and the compliance of fuel sources to keep their tanks clean is tightly regulated, so I'd have to conclude it's poor metallurgy in the pumps being supplied to the dealers. The consumer should not be the ones getting ripped-off over this. Mine is a 2011 JSW TDI. I maintain it meticulously. All recommended VW servicing on time or early.
The HPFP in my 2009 Jetta TDi (aka, "Das Booger") FAILED this past Saturday JUST after i filled the take up at a local watering hole! MIL came on (P0087 code among others that indicated fuel system issues), pre-glow light flashed on and off and car went into limp mode. Got it home and let it sit. Fired it up next day, allowed it to warm up and noticed that it was missing and it was emitting excessive black and sometimes a puff of greyish smoke out the tailpipe that was quite STANKY. Drove it for a bit and it immediately went into limp mode again. Pulled it back into the garage, shut it down and it would not fire after that. I was DOUBLY worried about this because I had just gone through two tank fulls of Propel HPR biomass diesel (love this stuff btw) that I got from a trip to Cally in March and as stated, the car $H!T the bed immediately after I put distillate Diesel back in the tank. Talk about the HOLY SHAT factor and being WHOLLY bummed! Anyway, didn't know about the issues with the HPFP and the subsequent warranty extension until I saw this video while doing online research following the failure. This gave me hope even though I did NOT opt for the misfueling guard back in 2013 when VW mentioned it to me (lesson learned, get EVERY recall fix that comes along period). Opened case #170523581 with VW USA and had my Little Black Booger towed to the local VW dealership today where I bought it back in 2011 using the VW TDi Goodwill Program complimentary towing service for fuel analysis and diagnosis. The verdict? It's COVERED!! WOOOT!!! WOOOOOOOT!!! It's gonna be there a few days while they get the parts, but am going to get a loaner in the meantime. A BIG thank you to the Humble Mechanic for taking the time to produce this MOST helpful video! I was REALLY worried I was gonna have to say "auf Wiedersehen" to my beloved little oil burner and go back to a gasser (I had JUST had the exhaust system upgraded to a RawTek high flow system along with a Malone Stage 2 performance tune ta boot AND a new stereo deck this past January)! Thanks guys! You ROCK!!!
What about the 2013 TDI? What changed?
Charles, I have been doing some research to do a oil and fuel filter change on my wife's 2012 Jetta TDI. When looking into the fuel filter change it said about using VCDS to prime the fuel system. I also found people saying if you didn't have VCDS you could jump power to the pump or fill the filter housing with fuel. Other also said they never bothered priming it at all. Knowing the cars have issues with the HPFP I didn't know if this could raise the likely hood of a failure. Thanks in advance for any input.
I have been doing my own fuel filter changes on my 2012 Jetta TDI, all that i do is fill the filter with diesel before dropping it in the canister and i have not had any problems, it starts up pretty fast, I rev it a minute (like less than 2000 RPM) and then let it idle for a few minutes and no problems at all.
Thanks Humblemechanic for your videos! My question is, Does it make a difference if your car was made in Mexico or Germany ? My 2013 golf is made in Germany so I don't know if I have to frick out or not !LOL Thanks again.
does vw sell/recommend any lubricity improvers?
I have 164,000 miles and I'm second owner. Fudgeeeeee although, I don't know if the fuel guard is installed?
Before I traded my TDI for a GTI I had to remove that stupid misfueling guard. My dealer told me to remove it because it was nearly impossible to refuel without spilling diesel fuel on the ground. Maybe it worked with some pumps, but most stations I go to had trouble with that adapter.
Would using fuel additives like power service void the warranty?
I have my 2010 jetta tdi that metal shaving are all over my fuel system. I recently towed it home but now I need to fix it. Help this is my first diesel and don't know where to begin to repair it. I live in southern california.
Yikes. We have always replaced all the fuel components. Is your car covered under the extension?
I’ve got a 2015 Passat TDI, and this thing EATS fuel pumps. I’ve had the HPFP and lift pump both replaced under the “dieselgate” warranty. 8 months later, I have no warranty and my fuel pump is out again. This is the third time in 4 years.
So I have a 2012 Passat TDI. I just bought it and since it's now Jan. 2023 I may have missed the boat on the warranty extension. It has a fuel pressure issue. (P0087, P0088) It cranks and idles fine. I cleared codes and it ran like a champ for a few miles, then check engine light again and wouldn't go over 45-50 mph. Fuel filter was nasty and had some particles in the housing. Changed filter, cleaned the housing. Pulled fuel pressure regulator like in the video and it's totally clean. Should I take it to the dealer? I have only 80,260 miles.
Thank you for your thorough and informative video. Gary
just bought 2013 Tdi vw passat. I bought it from auction it couldn’t start, i took it to my local shop and they called me yesterday saying: your fule system is messed hpfp threw some metal shavings and everything needs to be replaced. Took my car to VW and they checked the fuel and dude who works there said “fuel didnt passed the quality test because there was some water probably from car sitting too long” and he said before we start anything we have to clean this first and add fresh fuel in it maybe its just fuel, and he said if it don’t start then we will replace everything else under warranty. I asked him i thouht water in fuel void warranty, he said that shouldn’t be an issue. They want to charge me $750 for flushing cleaning lines new fuel and filter because this is not coveted under warranty but everything else it is? what do u think ? please help
Hello everyone, I have got a VW GOLF 2.0TDI engine code CFFB, the car is 9 year old with 80.000 mls, and do very little drive, is due an inspection next month so decided to give a good wash, sit in half turn car start but on the way to car wash start getting a strange loud buzzing from the primary low pressure fuel pump, I attache the video th-cam.com/video/O3ORLjrQKw8/w-d-xo.html, is this a sign that pump is on the way out? Or it will go in time? Or the noise is ok and should be there?
At work we have few mk6 golfs with the 1.6tdi cayc, i replaced fuel pump on all of them because they were leaking at the pulley shaft. I think even on a passat 2.0 i replaced the hpfp. I believe 2 engines were replaced at vw from timing belt failure due to fuel leaking on serpentine belt and timing skipped.
Besides hpfp and egr are maintenance free to 300k km, only one had a problem with dpf, pretty good, well except hpfp. i can still see some fine metal particles on fuel filter wich is changed at 10-15k km. we did not reach out to vw to pay for the repairs. Cars are about 2012-2013.
bro is tdi and crdi same
My 2009 jetta pump just failed at 170k miles. The original pump failed at 55k miles. These will continue to fail!!! VW is not making changes to increase longevity.... These need a filter to catch the shards, why is vw draging it's feet... oh yea I forgot, they are liers and cheated the emmision system... I see a pattern?
The HumbleMechanic is absolutely right, I have a 2012 Jetta TDI, Had the modification done rather than the buy back, that was a huge mistake. The dealer and the VW website says i have the extended warranty. My check engine light comes on at about 90,000 miles, I take my car to the dealer and they tell me that i have metal filings in my fuel but then tell me that VW will not cover the warranty because there was no Misfuel Guard Kit installed. My advice is that if you have one of these cars that is supposedly under warranty and you do not have the Misfuel Guard kit on it, to get it installed now. I would not take it to the dealer to have the kit installed. The cost is so minimal compared to having to replace your HPFP and all the other components. The dealer did not care that i had never put gas in my rig, I bought the car new and have never put any gas in the tank and no one else has ever put fuel in my car. So it is not about possibly getting gas in the tank, it is VW using the Misfuel Guard as an excuse to not honor the Warranty that they say i had.
Oh man that sucks!!!! Can you install it and take it to another dealer? I know that is kinda cheating the system, but that really does suck
mrorganic88 just curious, what we’re your symptoms? Today mine sputtered to start then died, then started. Been sputtering at stops for a couple days as well
Just had a customer car come in with this dreaded problem ! He bought it used & it has almost 140K on the odometer. Just paid 12k for it used New pump over 500.00 injectors 538.00 Each, In tank pump 180.00 Have not found the fuel rail yet but i know it will cost an Arm & a Leg. What is one to do with one of these cars out of the extended warranty ? Esp here in a remote part of Alaska Can the Rail & lines & tank be cleaned instead of replaced ??? Thank You Charlie for the Great Posting. Love your work. Peace to you man.
The big question is, where to get quality fuel? The diesel nowwadays is so dry that it is not lubing the HPFP anymore. But adding two stroke oil to the fuel, to raise the lubing, will cut off the warranty, because you have but something in to the fuel. Dead case.
Thanks for sharing this info! I would add:
*Audi A3s are getting this, too
*Audi letter came with reimbursement request form for past failure, as VAG was somewhat random in denying/OKing for a while
*always save your fuel receipts
*if past the extended warranty limits and/or you love your car, I would install the kits that reroute and filter the shrapnel when the hpfp fails. (The letter talks about denying coverage if there are mods that cause the failure, but I would bet you could find yourself denied if you have these systems that contain the failure.)
*though it is a very big bill (and potentially dangerous, as the car can stall suddenly), these fail in a very small percentage of CR TDIs, which are overall awesome cars.
I do have a few questions for you or anyone who knows for sure:
1. Lubricity additives are highly recommended in forums as the very best way to prevent hpfp failure (besides not fueling with gas, high % bio, WVO, or shady diesel). Would an additive like Power Service (silver or winter/white) show up as a contaminate in testing?
2. Letter does not say they will cover the damage caused to the rest of the fuel system by an hpfp failure, just talks about replacing the hpfp. Do you have access to more info than the letter, specifically showing they will cover the entire fuel system when damaged by the hpfp? I know they have been covering the whole mess when they (somewhat randomly) provided "good will" coverage for SOME owners with the failure, but they were also goodwilling much higher mileage vehicles and they seem to be trying to contain their expenses now.
Venezia1110 Thanks for the info on Audi. I didn't realize they had the same issue.
The info we have is very much the same as customers got. My guess is, they will cover the entire repair, but that is just a guess. I have not done one under this new warranty extension
As some mentioned before they did in post above and they should honor Audi the same as VW..
Hi I'm Serkan from Turkey. I have 2012 TDI Jetta . It'is 74000 km. The high pressure fuel pump has a damage. They want from me 5000 Eruo. How can use the warranty extension? Please help me. Regards
I just bought a 2012 Passat TDI with 22,000 miles on it. It was a buy back from original owner for the diesel gate stuff. Should I be adding a product like Stanadyne at every fill up to help with fuel lubericity problems?
I'm replacing fuel system parts on a 2010 Jetta Sportwagen right now that had HPFP failure due to contaminated fuel. HPFP, Injectors, all filters replaced, and fuel system drained and purged. No metal in fuel system. This vehicle isn't covered by the warranty extension so the customer is paying out of pocket. He's not too happy.
Chester Wardan DAMN that sucks. He must have just missed the cut off
HumbleMechanic
He doesn't have the fueling guard installed either. I'm sure the dealer would have refused to cover it for that reason alone, due to the cost in parts and labor as you mentioned earlier.
10 years or 120,000 miles? I have an 09 TDI with 195k miles. So do I have good pump or what? VW is screwing us again. Who in their right mind buys TDI and drives less than 10,000 miles a year.
In there right mind I am not sure. But there are a lot of sub 10k per year TDIs out there.
For now if your car runs, your pump should be good.
I hope. On different note, can you recommend replacement for the OEM flywheel?
Hi friend , if there is metal in side do you need to replace injectors? Thanks in advance.
I always hve. You might not HAVE TO. but you better be sure you get all that metal out.
I have a 2015 model and have the pump failure, the car is screwed.. The local garage told me that the pumps are the same until the new models starting from 2016 and they still go bad after a time and blow the metal all around the fuel.. Most problems happen before 2012 but they still use the same pumps and they are not improved for now. The garage had a lot of these problems recently from Golf to Audi A5. So sad that they know this is happening and don't come with a fix or drop the price ratings..
wow 7 thousand dollars dealers are crazy
Greg Ramos Most of that is the parts price. It is a lot of parts that are big bucks.
Still common that’s half the price of the vehicle. Hopefully with time gets less costly. Great vids keep up the great work!
This video is a couple of years old, but if you're a VW Diesel hobbyist, don't even let your common rail 2.0 anywhere near a VW dealer these days for a fuel guard or anything else for that matter with this emissions scandal nonsense.. They'll practically hold your car hostage for "software updates", stickers, fuel guards or whatever. They'll try to frighten you with the repair costs of a failed fuel pump, but the reality is that there is about a 1% failure rate on these fuel pumps and I'm past the warranty period anyhow.
My 2011 Golf is still running the original "evil" factory software, original "evil" fuel tank opening, etc and it runs like a champ with lubricity added religiously every tankful. I'm going to drive it into the ground just like it is for however long that ends up being.
+scdevon I don't think most dealer folks care one way or another if you have the fuel guard in.
But if you decline it, they have an obligation to tell you what may happen if you have pump failure.
I've never heard of a dealer "holding a car hostage" for updates.
It's as simple as saying you don't want the update. Unless you have some crazy dealers around you. Lol
Hi my car have problems no starting but it crank after checking I saw no fuel coming from tank I change pump in the tank but steel no starting am checking the fuel come up to high pressure fuel pump but no going to fuel gallery for nozzles .... What is the problems of it
Hi just need some quick advice The pressure valve meter on the pump Volkswagen said in there handbook not to remove it but it doesn’t say why do you know why as I have a new one coming we think that’s the fault and the pressure sensor but do you know if there is a procedure?? Thanks mike
what do you know about changing to a cp3 retrofit on a maintenance basis. Before it goes bad and how many miles is the warranty stated. Mine was done at 165 and now I have 225. So I was thinking on a maintenance basis replace the HPFP before it grenades maybe to the CP3.
I’ve seen a few. Never installed myself. I want to think we are mostly on the other side of this issue by now.
I have a 2014 Volkswagen Jetta TDI do these cars have water separators on them?
What is the actual caulse of failure? Assuming a continuous supply of clean diesel. Can these pumps ever last for more than 200k miles?
Help! My Jetta TDI hp Fuel pump just failed 2 days ago. What's worse I called VW and I am passed 200 miles of the extended 48,000 mille warranty. They won't cover it. I bought the car 5 months ago. I start reading about the problem. I was close to changing the fuel pump because I was told it could fail. It was going to cost me 2,700. Now it will cost me a lot more than the value of the car.
Any ideas what I can do?
Any update mate?
Some people that y how put a small amount of 2S oil in the diesel fuel in order to prevent that, after a pump replacement and clean the fuel system (injectors, lines, fuel tank, fuel filter, and fuel cooler) !
No trouble yet !
we just received a replacement a hpfp from the dealer and it no longer is manufactured with the locator pin hole! so does it matter what orientation the pump shaft is install in relation to the cam and crank???? charles can you shed some light on this?
2011 Jetta with 78k miles... just lost my HPFP tonight. Great video, just wish you could have shown more detail about what a misfueling guard may look like. My car doesn't have any campaign stickers, but it does look like the filler may have been modified. Will call the dealer with a VIN to find out more. Thanks for posting detailed videos like this :)
Hey HUMBLE do you have any videos on the CP3 retrofit. I want to do mine.
No but you just made one! Lol and I'll be using it when I do mine. And my engine is NOT coming out. Lol
@@avenged06x Fired right up. I would still consider at least using the service position. even if you just loosen it and bring it back like 4 to 6 inches. Leave the lower bolts in with a few threads. Really helps. I only had my engine out because I was exchanging it with another engine My oil pump failed.
….if it touches fuel, it gets replaced? So… new engine? 🤓
Do you feel a 2 micron filter on a outdoor steel storage tank is enough to protect the HPFP?
Jthumper There is a company that makes them. My guess is, that would help, but that is just a guess.
WHAT
I bought 2012 Jetta TDI 125K. Now car won't start, fuel system is messed up. Dealer said what you said, its out of warranty, they said it cost $5000 to fix it, I'm screwed. They said fuel pump is messed up so it clogged the injectors and lines with metal stuff from the pump??!!! Please help
+Talal Rehan I would call VWofA and see if they can help you out. You can try to not replace all the parts, but that is a crap shoot.
Incredibly helpful video.
+memfisbelle Thank you!
+HumbleMechanic is it a CP4.2? in a Duramax i've yet to see a CP3 do this, seen pump bodys crack and seize cracking the cam gear a few times. but the CP4.2 loves to do this.
Great video! You really have helped me with many of your videos. I wondering if you could tell me some odd the symptoms of a failing fuel pump. I recently bought and took my 2009 Jettawagon TDI in for the 100,000 mile service and they recommended the fuel filter replaced, as it should be done every 20k miles. Since I'm new to working on diesel engines I had them do it. Ever since I did I can smell diesel fuel when I park inside my garage. I took it back and they told me my auxiliary fuel pump and something like a banjo bolt were the cause of the leak. I never smelled fuel before. It's like $580 in repairs.
I have a polo with 1,6 tdi cr engine, should i go to dealer in my country ?
Give them a call
You can but I don't know if your car has any coverage. This is US market cars.
Is it possible to add a fuel filter right after the high pressure fuel pump?
Volkswagen sucks........stick to GM. Buy American cars people!!
The Passat is made in the US. does that count?
Do you have a Video on this large job ??? Thanks
Ak998 I don't. Up until this point, VW has been covering them. I don't have the means to film video at the dealership.
HumbleMechanic Thanks for the Reply Charlie I'll get through it. Trying to Keep the costs down for the guy. He just got this car a few months ago & loved it up until now. were more than 1000 miles away from any VW Dealer & the car has 140K & he bought it use so I'm sure the Dealer would throw him under the bus quickly ! 1 ??? is it possible to clean the fuel rail out ? Or should it be replaced ? & how about sending the injectors & rail to a place that overhauls pumps & injectors maybe it would save money over buying new ? We do plan to do the latest up dated pump Thanks again for your help Love your videos !!! Your a great guy for helping so many out. You truly live up to your title. Never stop being Humble ! ;-)
2015 Jetta TDI does the same damn thing.
Mine just gave out yesterday. 09 Jetta. It's at a dealer in Vegas now. Hoping they cover it. 104k. Got the letter in June. What does the filler protector look like? I think I have one. Is it those metal teeth looking things? Thanks for your Vid!
Mike Costa Yep is sounds like you have one installed.
I'm seriously happy that I just saw this video before buying a new engine for my car since I can't find any parts anywhere.
Just happened to my 2011 Golf TDI last week! Golf just got towed to my local VW dealer and is awaiting further testing to see if they will cover it.
+Jimmy Beidler Follow-up - I picked up my 2011 Golf TDI (88K Miles) on Saturday!! VW sent the Diesel out for testing, results came back free of gasoline. VW - true to word did replace everything, honoring the 120K Mile extended warranty for the HPFP fix. They replaced the High Pressure Fuel Pump, High Pressure Fuel Lines, Fuel Rail, All 4 Fuel Injectors, Fuel Return Lines, Fuel Filter, Fuel Housing, and Auxiliary Fuel Pump. VW also gave me a new Jetta to drive while my car was in for the warranty work. I can not say enough good things about Ciocca Volkswagen and their service department.
Got that notice in the mail yesterday for the 2012 Jetta. Why is my 2023 Golf not covered? Did the design change?
Yep. The 2003 is a very different engine.
Typo 2013 golf tdi
***** looks like both of ya had a typo lol
Greg Ramos LOL I swear it said 2003 on my phone. Or maybe my brain just read that. :)
***** My guess is, that one has a different pump. Maybe a different vendor.
if i have an ECM tune and dpf/doc , egr delete, did the waranty extension still applicable?
Oh that’s good question. Depends on how deep they look
Really enjoying your videos Charles!
Much appreciated.
Thank you
I didn’t here you say Audi ??? I have 2009 A3 Engine died but know swarf inside pump only very small bits in filter Error code low fuel pressure and now won’t start i’ve had the car six years has 128,000 miles and has never missed a beat never had issues until now
Similar issues happen on Audi. Just not as common
HumbleMechanic that’s what I’m thinking is not 100% sure there is metal filings but not very much in the fuel filter and that hasn’t been changed for a very long time and a few bits in the tank but only can see them with the light really not much at all but I’m thinking this is science of the pump going as well and in the fuel pressure meter there is no metal filings at all but the car just won’t start I’ve primed all the pumps and I’m getting fuel at the fuel rail but my fuel pressure meter is buzzing very loud all the time when ignition is on going to replace this and see what happens going to start the car and see if I get any fuel come out the fuel rails that way as the Electric pump under the Bonnet is just for bleeding purposes I think and I do it through on vadcom
Just had my 2014 refitted with a new HPFP and everything else. VW covered the whole cost. Good company, treated me very well but these dang pumps are a nightmare. I had only 52K on it. Had to tow it 350 miles.I use Shell diesel if that means anything. I live in Ca.
First off, I am really happy they covered it. That is not a repair anyone wants to pay for.
I have not seen any that new fail catastrophically. Had a few fail causing drivability issues but not full system failure.
7 years later I'm here with the same Problem except mine went out 20 days after my Warranty expired vehicle is 10 years old. 99500 miles $9377 Fix.It went out on my way to work lost power than completely Died.My Wife and two Daughters were gonna use it the next day on a 200 Mile trip to visit Family.
This was my First Vw
I really enjoyed it but
Now I have a German Paperweight sitting in my Driveway.
Really enjoyed our ‘13 Passat TDI, which we bought new, drove for 5 years, then sold back to VW under the Dieselgate settlement for only about $2200 less than we paid. But the fuel system issue was just one of several reasons I’m glad it’s behind us.
So many people made out big on that deal.
HumbleMechanic Like winning the lottery on a small scale. Now driving an ‘18 Honda Accord, burning plain old 87 octane and enjoying it, but we’d probably still be driving a TDI if VW hadn’t pulled the plug.
so do you think they will cover it if i have a malone stage two modification?
Nope. Good luck.
4:30 for the warranty read.
Sounds like people not knowing how to fuel a diesel car
That for sure happened.
Nephew just had this change out done 2/20 on his 2012 Jetta.
Wow I haven’t seen on fail in a while.
I'm scared....just bought a 2014. I read up on it b4 purchase but I thought it was 09 thru 12 but my 14 has this....I'm screwed I always have the worst luck so I'm gonna end up letting bank have it if it fails
It is not nearly the issue that it was on the older generation TDI. I wouldn't worry about it much at all.
+HumbleMechanic thanks man. when should I get rid of it lol? it has 22k on it, at what point does vw warranty coverage drop out? how about extended warranty, do they typically cover it?
M Blake Jr keep it till 600k miles then convert to electric drivetrain.
Blake, I have a 2015 model and have the pump failure, the car is screwed.. The local garage told me that the pumps are the same and they go bad after a time and blow the metal all around the fuel.. Most problems happen before 2012 but they still use the same pumps and they are not improved for now. The garage had a lot of these problems recently from Golf to Audi A5. So sad that they know this is happening and don't come with a fix or drop the price ratings..
Great information, so thanks. My question is; how can I prove that the fuel I bought was contaminated from the gas station? Both of our vehicles are diesel, and there is zero chance that we put gasoline in by mistake. And, going forward, there is no way to tell if the fuel I am buying is contaminated? Even if there were a common test kit, testing the fuel every time you fill up is absurd. 2012 Passat has only got a blue book of about 10 to $12k. If I am looking at a 6 to 8 thousand dollar repair job, I might as well take the car to a dismantler and get what I can for it. Any suggestions???
+urnotserius In some ways it is a dice roll. If there was a station that I was concerned about, I would get a sample of fuel in a can and have it tested. But no way I would do that every time.
+HumbleMechanic - Thanks. I am in waiting for the dealer's results on the fuel test from the lab. Keeping fingers x'd, but expecting the worst. We keep the car garaged, so it is pristine condition. My backup plan in the worst case scenario is to sell it on ebay (with full disclosure), just to get rid of it. Too bad, as we were planning to keep it many years due to the durability of a diesel engine. I guess the durability part is a myth with VW.
HumbleMechanic - Wow! I guess we lucked out. The fuel was pure, so VW picked up the tab for the repair (just under $8k). I still think it is ridiculous that even the slightest amount of contamination would cause this catastrophic of a failure. Lesson learned. We are going to wait until VW makes the settlement on the lawsuits over pollution, and then dump the car. No more VW's for us.
urnotserius
Common rail is not very forgiving on dirt/bad fuel.
I'm diesel for life, but I know better that everything after the mk4 diesels is crap if your not careful.
And diesels anymore with all the controls and extra expense aren't worth it to me, I don't drive enough Miles to see any payback for probably 8-10yrs.
so I just picked up a 2014 Jetta gasser instead, it's supposed to pull mid 30s or so on the highway.
For another 5-8mpg a diesel isn't worth it anymore.
I keep the 91 Jetta coupe with its rattly diesel to fulfill the diesel niche these days.
Thanks brother!
VW was covering higher mileage vehicles before this announcement. At least there is a definition of the policy now. Looks like owning a TDI with over 120,000 miles is a risky affair due to the cost of repair. This should also negatively affect resale of higher mileage cars too. It would benefit VW to come up with a more fail-safe fuel system design. If the pump fails, it doesn't create as much collateral damage. Replace the pump, and maybe the injectors and your done. Do you think placing a filter on the fuel return line would minimize the damage?
Matthew Gaines There is a company that makes a filter kit, I can't seem to find the link.
Don't forget about the DPF having a 120k replacement interval. :/
HumbleMechanic
The replacement of the DPF ($2000 max?) at some point is a reasonable expectation and cost. I heard some go at around 110k to 150k and others have over 200k and they are still going strong.
On other hand, paying the price of an engine replacement ($7,000) without getting an engine is too stiff of a pill to swallow. This and higher mileage gasoline cars are going to kill the TDI market. These things used to be highly desirable new and used.
I also have a 2015 Golf TDI and I'm going to try the filter out once the factory powertrain warranty is through. A 15+ year TDI owner has just shed a tear. :-(
Once again thanks for the great content and enthusiasm for the community.
When you do the filter, let me know. I would love to hear how it goes.
I think things are going to get worse for diesels. As they add more emissions controls to comply with govt regulations, the performance and reliability may go down.
HumbleMechanic The company is 2microntech. I was just about to order their kits when I got the letter on the warranty extension. I will definitely do it when I hit the end of this extension. The don't just make a filter kit, their flow adapter reroutes the hpfp so the high-pressure side receives its own clean fuel supply directly from the electric fuel pump, vs. the faulty stock design that passes fuel from the low-pressure side to the high-pressure side of the HPFP and allows for shrapnel to shoot into the rail, injectors, etc. when the pump fails. The filter kit, on the other hand, is needed to catch any metal particles that would normally be returned to the factory fuel filter (and on to the fuel tank, etc.)
+Venezia1110
I have installed the 2 micron tech filter and the pureflow adapter, quality stuf! Will me save a lot of money when the hpfp breaks down.
Hi, Great video. Thanks for the info. Just had my HPFP go on my 2011 jetta sportwagen tdi. I put diesel in it, howevere they are sending it out to make sure its not contaminated. Any suggestions as to how to get the filling station to pay for it if the gas is bad? Thanks
+Giggamootis I have only had someone do that once. But that was a tanker misfilled.
vw said it is diesel but i might be contaminated with alittle water or actual gas? i hope it gets covered!!! or im screwed. but maybe i will just have vw buyback the car the way it is
hey there, what was the outcome of your fuel test? I am running into the same situation as you (fuel was diesel, but still sent out for fuel test). VW will not cover the damage under the extended warranty. This is the second time I've have to have my fuel system replaced for my 2012 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. Curious about how your situation was handled after they issued the parameters of the extended warranty.
My wife's 2011 Jetta TDI, 101k miles, HPFP just went out. The fuel guard is installed. The VW dealer pulled a sample and already started claiming the sample smells like gasoline. If I believe they are mistaken what are my options? I was not there to verify the sample nor was someone whom I trust. We filled up at a new fuel station and have a record from the fuel station that it was in fact diesel. Video proof as well.
Should I contact a lawyer or send off a separate sample myself?
I will update my post once the VW dealers third party test comes back.
+Rick Newman They are suppose to test the fuel. There is a procedure for it, and we have a special test kit. If the results come back off, they need to send it out to have it tested. Call VW of America!
I was a bit frustrated when the dealer immediately implied the fuel smelled like gasoline. Currently I'm in Afghanistan, military, and.my wife is dealing with them. We have been loyal customers and have always complied with the dealers suggested maintenance.
Also, I had the fuel filter replace in early March. Just before I left the country. Do you think the new filter might have played into the HPFP going out? Maybe it stirred something loose...
+Rick Newman Doubt it. My guess is, this is just a failure. I would really want to have a proper fuel test done. I hate you're having issues man. That sucks!
+HumbleMechanic Just got word from the dealer our Jetta did in fact have diesel in the tank. VW will be replacing the entire fuel system due to the extensive amount of metal in the fuel system. Surprisongly they jad all parta on hand ecept one fuel line.
I asked them to go ahead and replace the timing belt and water pump while they are at it. The car has 101k miles....
Thanks for all the great information! Thumbs up for Humble Mechanic
HumbleMechanic, do you know if this warranty would still cover repairs if the car had just a tune alone (no other physical modifications)?
Somehow I have missed "why" the pumps are failing. Did the same company make the camshafts as the fuel pump? I have had 3 Touaregs never a problem, now drive Merc's. Have run all diesels (pickups and cars) for the last 25 years, maintenance is the key.
The Touareg seem to fail well with this.
@@HumbleMechanic I must have been lucky, but always traded early. My trucks I run longer. I will admit, I once did accidentally put 25 gallons unleaded in my 30 gallon diesel tank (tailpipe flames were pretty at night). Bad lighting at dual gas/diesel pump island, just a bad setup, 2 sets of dual side by side pumps. Diesel - Gas and Gas - Diesel, pulled up to far for 1st pump and grabbed 3rd thinking it was diesel, oops, skyrockets at night. I drive a '13 S350 now and love it (glutton for punishment). Have a friend in Canada loves his Jetta Mk4 ALH with 435,000 kilometers. He is looking at an '06 with a 1.9 in it (cam is bad on #4) 130.000 kilometers, but he is getting it cheap. does run, but rough. He can fix the cam and lifters. He watches your channel, told him about the most needed tools and he said he saw it. Enjoying the content, can always learn something, thank you for the effort to put it out.