Supercharger Tear Down and Inspection
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- This video covers the complete tear down of a Jackson Racing supercharger for a B series Honda. This information will also apply to other roots style superchargers. I believe the unit in this video is an Eaton M62.
Since these superchargers haven’t been manufactured in at least 15 years, this one will need to be reconditioned. I was able to find a company that sells rebuild kits and also offers rebuild services linked below.
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Correction: The valve you were referring to is known as the "Bypass Valve". It does not bleed off boost, but rather "Bypasses" the airflow past the supercharger and into the cylinder head directly. Nice Video.
Remember kids, the small blower pulley is also known as the "party pulley."
I used to have one of these on a 2000 civic si. I loved it, I used a plastic manifold gasket to help with keeping intake temps down from heat soak.i put the intake temps sensor on the manifold side, temps weren't bad.
As soon as I saw the oil pour out, I was wondering how long it would take before that brutal smell hit you haha.
I've got old jugs of it in the shop. My father mistook it for normal oil and decided to use it on the hinges for his shipping container, woops!
"Unique Smell" is an accurate but light way of putting it.
I literally had that happen to me the other day. Opened up my first blower and then the smeeeelllllllll, whooooo-weeee!!
Eric: I thought that nut was 10mm...
Supercharger: _'MERICA!_
Funny think is, that but IS a 10mm
I had Highspeed labs rebuild mine and they did an excellent job. I sent mine to LHT to have the intercooler installed. Its a blast you will love it.
Does it actually keep it cool enough that we can drive during summer? I hate not being able to even do a pull or two in a gear?
Also do u know of a place to get it repair and or holes welded and resurface cause I got mines all crack along the injectors area and the holes are drilled out to fit a ITR b16 head. Need repairs then I can do lht or if lht can do them altogether I'll pay....thanks!
@@b20eg195 Yes it differently helps cool the intake charge but I would not invest in it if you do not plan to run higher boost. I am not sure where you could get it repaired maybe take it to a machine shop and have them look at it or keep an eye on ebay or facebook marketplace, they pot up once in a while. This is a excellent thread and will give you lots of answer's to your questions, good luck. honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/%2A%2A%2A-official-jrsc-thread%2A%2A%2A-1214810/
@@b20eg195 ebay.us/56YK4E?cmpnId=5338273189
Same here with hsl, their service is amazing!!
@@Marcking98 appreciate the link, but I have a complete kit. It's just that it is cracked at the manifold so there's boost leak and coolant leak. I'll try to get it welded fix if it isn't so expensive, but ya finding a spare one would be great, but I figured if I can send it out to LHT they could perhaps make it seal because they are going to cut the shit apart and reweld it lol.
Bringing back some good memories. Had the same supercharger kit on my hondas in early 2000's.
I'd love to hear the ITR whine..
I really hope this ends up working out. I haven't been this excited about your content in a long time.... can't wait for more!
G'day Eric I'm glad that you pulled the supercharger down I've always wondered what was going on inside.thanks mate regards John
Really cool. Learned a lot today about super chargers.
On the L67 3800 supercharged series 2 those score marks on the housing are nothing. Just replace the neddle bearings and put everything back together. You'll be perfectly fine.
I hope you get that thing installed. I wanted a jackson racing super charger for my crx back in the day. To expensive for a young guy.
I've always used Dayco PolyCog belts for my ProCharger, less slip than Gatorback or solid rib belts I've tried over the years. The larger blower pulley will help too, little more surface area for the belt to use.
some years back I had a Holden Calais , with the GM L67 3.8 V6 supercharged engine , lots of low down torque , and a nice super charger induction sound too .
ChrisHallett83 no , but I’ll check it out 👍
When I had my 97 GS-R back in 98, I remember reading - I think it was - Super Street magazine and seeing that supercharger for those cars. Wasn't making a ton of money back then, but man did I want one! So friggin' cool that you found one all these years later!
I was the exact same way. I feel very lucky to be living my dream.
Thank you ETCG1, I always wanted to know how superchargers work. Can't wait to see it installed on the Acura Integra Type R. Zoom!
Eric, I'm glad you found one. Look forward to the build vids on the ITR. Take care
I just got a JRSC kit for my 94 GS-R this weekend, can't wait to get it on! Drove 6hrs to get it for 2500$ and the supercharger itself looks in great condition and it had all the brackets and pulleys included. Gonna do some research tonight and order up the belts, new adjuster bolt for the tensioner and an oil+coupler kit for the charger and hopefully install in like 2 weeks
A great start to my Friday. Thank you. Be safe.
Eric, I do believe you have sparked and reignited a few interest here; some reliving found memories and some new comers finding out the old stuff is where it's at! Congrats on finding this little gem. Have some fun with it. And then do a pass in the Ford so they can yell at you again. Great times we live in!
Praying it gets fixed, can't wait to see the build series.
look forward to seeing this on the engine, and sound too.
I still have a near new set of stock ITR rear lower control arms if you want to replace your rusty ones.
Thank you for the kind offer but I was just going to sandblast mine.
Eric this is the most interesting series, really informative on modifying engines😉
Looking forward to the next video👍
Thanks for sharing Eric👍
&
Stay safe Bro❤
Glad you're enjoying it. Thanks for the comment and stay safe yourself!
Contact PFI Speed. They might have some parts or know some contacts...
What a blast from the past with the Jackson Racing SC. I’d send this out to the company and have them overhaul it since those tolerances are so minimal.
Same design as a Eaton M90 used on 89-95 SC Thunderbird and Grand Prix GTP and similar to Eaton M112 used on Jaguar XK/J-R and Lightning.
Yes that pulley is very narrow the M90 uses an 8 Rib belt.
The only thing that Jackson did was make the intake the M60 is an off the shelf OEM item.
YES Eric please supercharge the Type R. There is a Facebook group Honda JRSC (Jackson Racing Superchargers) discussion forum & classifieds. You can find a ton of info and or parts. also people sell the heat exchangers. Thanks for the video as always and again PLEASE supercharge the Type R!!
Helical cut meshed gear.
Use these(much heavier and larger) in roper pumps in the oil field. Always interesting stuff. Keep on teaching Eric, it is your calling.
Autocross? Cool stuff. Been to a few courses with family a few times. In Washington state.
Very cool video. I use to have a JRSC on my 98 GS-R. Definitely a different sound when you hear that thing wind up. I loved it. Always had issues with the long bolt that adjusts the tension on the belt. Looking forward to you installing this on the ITR.
This is super interesting Eric. Can't wait to hear that supercharge whine ; )
I've learned some very interesting things about these jackson racing kits. Including info and pictures about three dealer installed kits. Amazing stuff, and some amazing old school aftermarket tuning behind it all.
I'd love to hear more about the dealer installed kits. We never saw any of that at the dealer where I worked.
I got a hold of the info through some of the guys at HTS (Honda Tuning Suite) A few of them were around in the hay-day of OBD1 tuning, there is pictures and info up on their discord, I would have to dig through it. From what I gather, it was just a promotion through jackson racing, one off, one dealer. One of the guys eventually had his hands at dyno tuning the car, but over the years the thing was a basket case, and unfortunately when the kits were first available, the tuning options were limited to say the least.
"Unique smell" isn't the way I would describe it lol.
I remember changing the oil on an M90 and, despite being warned, I was not prepared.
Yeah... first time I cracked open a M90, I had to leave the room.
Man, y'all are makin' me wanna catch a whiff! Hahaha, what's it like, similar to diff fluid?
@@tommylyeah I prefer diff fluid over old sc oil any day of the week.
@@carnage50x diff fluid with a hint of main cap bolt stink mixed to it
I've watched your videos for quite some time and you have a certain charm when you make videos. Although you talk in a monotone way, it's still engaging and fun to watch! Keep up the good work!
I had mines stripped down and polished smooth inside. Also everything inside was Teflon coated. Went with the smaller pulley, CRV crank and nord lock washers. I would get that heat exchanger. My temps were hot.
Eric I've been watching you, ChrisFix and several others for some time now and I've learned a lot. Thank you!
I think you're totally making the right move going with a supercharger. It's much more fitting with the character of the engine. A turbo will give it a different power band and it probably wouldn't kick in at low RPMs like you want.
But I would trade a linear power curve of a supercharger for the power potential of a turbo.
Supercharger makes what like 220-240hp
A turbo makes a sohc 1.6 d series break 300hp easily.
Couple weeks ago I was working on a 1955 Allis Chalmers HD-15 bulldozer. It has one of these (just longer is all), and looks the same, even after all these years.
I had that same supercharger on my gsr back in 2001 when they were relatively new, and it was tons of fun. This was before k swaps.
12:12 open hand method that eric told us to do in the previous video .
the 62 in M62 is the displacement or internal volume in cubic inches which is close to 1 liter. It's the stock blower on the Ion redline and early cobalt SS's
I missed this video 10 months ago but watched it as soon as it was suggested. Around the 3:20 mark I could swear you said you believe the 62 means it move 62 cubic ft of air per revolution. I just can't wrap my head around how those impellers could possible move 62 cu ft of air in one revolution. Correction: the M62 moves 1.016 L (0.036 cu ft) per revolution.
That bushing on the rear of the pulley shaft, when worn, leads some to believe the supercharger is trash. You can actually replace it with a solid bushing from Dorman and it works great. Replaced quite a few on GM 3800SC engines.
Nice burn. What happened? When it comes back-
remove the screws, brake parts cleaner the vanes
and chamber. Spray a LIGHT coat of Plasti-dip on vanes
& chamber, let dry. That unit is totally fixable.
Look for "Hypoid gear" oil (riding mower trans).
It is cool that you can get to those bearings..with the GM 3800 chargers you can not dissemble them that way. As for the scoring in my experience they all look that way but if you know a rebuild company let them make that call..thanks for the content!
this looks like a fun project! thank you for sharing it with us!
Excited to see how you piece this together Eric! Good research finding the LHT guys, he knows his stuff on Honda’s.
The bypass valve is just that, bypassing the rotors under normal driving (vacuum) rather than compressing the air through the rotors for efficiency. Its not like a wastegate. It isn't bleeding off boost, since that would be after the rotors and would be the function of a blow off valve anyway. This is a valve before the rotors.
Heat exchanger with the use of AC would be a great idea I think in your case. :)
Thanks for the video! I may take the snout off my spare supercharger because it has a bit of the clunky noise and maybe it has a similar coupling inside. Its a lysholm 1200ax on my miata.
The good news here is that it looks like that's just a standard M62 they created a custom snout and manifold for. Even if that housing is complete trash, you can easily get a new replacement. Maybe even upgrade to the new 4 rotor units in the process.
If there’s any way possible, get that heat exchanger. It’ll damn near double the power capability of the blower.
I used to mess around with there in the early 00’s, tons of fun, especially in EK B18 swapped hatchbacks.
I'm leaning toward that myself. I'm reaching out to that company linked in the description today. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy You really do not need to intercool it if you are staying with the stock pulley.
Try a bronze hammer instead of a DeadBlow when a sharp impact is needed to break things apart.
Didn't see it at the top, but the 62 on m62 is the displacement of the supercharger gallery .62 liters
The scores in the housing and rotors are most likely caused by dirt and other particles sucked in because some knucklehead ran it without an air filter. When the bearings go bad you usually get smooth wear marks on the rotors and and housing.
You are correct that is the same supercharger that GM used on the L67 3800 v6 an Eaton M62, I believe you have a Gen 2 version.
if you happen to have to replace it, i believe M62s are used on mercs, not sure which models though, think the 2.3L engine
Put an Eaton supercharger on my Tacoma like that one. I loved it.
LHT Performance has a TH-cam channel and they primarily work with Honda.
They're big fans of superchargers - especially on S2000s.
Good choice.
17:47 and also it's just cool! I can't believe these are vintage now. I have magazines with ads for these brand new lol. God I'm getting old. I also remember wanting the nuespeed supercharger for the VW 2.0 8 valve. That was before I really discovered Honda though. I like my 2019 civic coupe turbo, just something about the older Honda's. I really miss my mint condition 94 hatch, and my mint condition 97 hatch. Or my super nice 1990 accord ex coupe. I often go to car shows and walk around the swap meets looking for "vintage" 😆 go fast parts for Hondas. Or anything really from that era. 1998-2005 were fun times.
Parts are all over the place for those, they were used on GM cars for several years on their supercharged V6s...
so just keep the intake manifold and swap the rest.
Those were m90s. The m62 was used on the Cobalt SS and Saturn Ion Redline.
Supercharged Integra type R? Dreamy car. I can’t wait!
That's a nice supercharger I wonder would you have to have to change the timing any or mess with the ecu
I got a h22 jsr supercharger and this tuto help me alot!!
3:30 62 stands for 62 cubic inches of air per revolution.
10psi/460cfm @ 14000 rpm(MAX SUSTAINED RPM).
Air discharge temp 180* @14K rpm, HP gain @14K rpm 36hp(Buick 3800).
Carry on. 👌🏻👋🏻
Great job good info and glad to see you back eric
They still sell snout repair kits and couplers.
You can port out the v shape on the inlet and those holes on either side are silencer holes that were federally required to reduce blower noise. They can be plugged, CAREFULLY, with Jb weld and that thing will scream at you.
Welding will warp the case.
I have one of these I actually plan on putting on a CR-V. It does have wear as well on the blades. Thank you for putting in a link to the rebuild service as I might look into that as well. It's also good to know about the CR-V crank pulley. While I do plan to re-sleeve my B20 and use stronger piston/rod assemblies, I don't want to go too crazy with the boost. It sounds like my stock crank pulley would already be bumping that up some. Good video for sure!
How to make a crv make the same economy as a f150
They still make small Eaton type super chargers I believe.
It’s the manifold that’s unique.
Roots type blowers are obsolete as they were never really designed for compressing air just pushing it.
@12:20 ish 'I thought that was 10mm...maybe 3/8 inch'... That was a gripe I had with a 1981 Pontiac Phoenix I bought new, it had a mix of SAE and Metric nuts, bolts, and assorted fittings.
Hey Eric I have a jackson racing supercharger for a gsr I bought the engine to turbo it.
And I was surprised that the owner gave it to me i never saw it work but it was bolted to the engine I have everything u need to install it
Send me an email. Eric@ericthecarguy.com
1320 performance here in cali makes pulleys and brackets for the jrsc used with b series
Very informative video, great insights into SC internals, parts of interest and maintenance tips👍
You been on the “if you ain’t first, your last!” Mind set. Rip
Cool project! I'll look forward to seeing this installed and operational!
I got to work in an integra type R that got a supercharger at the dealer.
I was not blown away.
In my opinion for the $$ a turbo is way better.
Driving a supercharger off the alternator is kinda Mickey-mouse.
I've had a JRSC on my 2000 Civic Si since 2001. The stock boost pulley is 6psi and the belts while narrow would tend to shred themselves due to excessive heat since they are so short. The original kits came with metal idler and tensioner pulleys and they(Jackson) ended up switching to a type of plastic to reduce heat retention which was (supposedly)causing the belt shredding. I have not had this problem.. ever. There are a few things that would be different today while running this kit specifically the engine management that simply didn't exist when they were originally released. No more using a rising rate regulator and a relay to "trick" your stock ECU to run open loop while in boost. Choose your appropriate injectors and a Hondata with a little time on a dyno and you'll have a very normal driving experience. The FMU originally included was susceptible to partial throttle detonation so you basically had to be on it, or baby it to protect your pistons. LOL. Anyway, looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Considerations for using boost, if you are putting this on a hi comp motor (10.0 up) might be an issue as most boosted motors run 8-9 CR as a starting point, also some consideration to cam grind might be in order, you want to keep that boost in the combustion chamber. Fun project no doubt, I would run my thoughts thru a engine builder app just to make shure it is feasable before pulling the trigger. Enjoy and stay safe.
I just saw that supercharged Integra on your channel the other day. LOL.
That TypeR needs one!
Turbo!
Seeing the super charger on that it looks very similar to the ones that are on the Mini Cooper S as they are pretty similar in size
The inner housing being scored should not be an issue, once you've replaced all the bearings on both ends, other than a bit of air velocity loss. Those rotors should not even touch the already worn inner housing once everything else is replaced. And honing out the inside of that scored housing to make it smooth again may drop the air capacity / efficiency even further as the gap tolerances widen. I'm sure it will still provide a nice amount of boosted air but it will never come close to when new. Just some random thoughts ;-)
On video those gouges look way over .003". (More like .015" deep) I would send it out to get it looked at. It's not like they can install oversized rotors either. They may fit against the wall better but they'll start to crash into each-other. Fingers crossed it all works out.
To measure the gouges you would have to get a surface plate and balance it on some "1-2-3 blocks" (Or v blocks), then use a dial indicator to measure the depth.
This is actually the same supercharger as what's on a Cobalt SS LSJ engine. It just has a different snout & throttle body inlet. It's cool that it's more of an aftermarket/universal version. My son has an LSJ with the stock M62 & a MUCH smaller pulley. To keep intake air temps down we've done every cooling mod possible (they have a Laminova "intercooler"). Meth/water injection made more of an IA2 difference than anything. Too bad after all of these mods, he still can't keep up with dad's mostly stock turbo Cobalt lmao. Anyway, cool video. You have a new subscriber :)
I remember when those S/C first came out. I wanted one so badly.
Eric, yes, that's an M62. It was a special version that's reverse rotation for the B series, which also spins backwards from conventional. The wear on yours indicates a long period of use without a good filter in place. The housing is pretty well knackered and the rotors, while they can be recoated and cleaned up, they're self clearancing and will eventually rewear. Finally, yes, the LHT Performance intercooler is awesome but LHT doesn't do that any more sadly, and the ones left are a lot like your rotor housing. I'd guess you can get 2-4psi out of that supercharger even if it's cleaned up. You can reverse the M90 from a GM 3800 and get a little more power if you feel like some DIYing.... ;-)
Thanks for that info! BTW, I've been in communication with LHT and they're going to help me out. Win!
@@ericthecarguy LHT is a wonderful group. Good luck! I've got an M90 out of a 3800 that I'm in the process of rebuilding and reversing for a big bore B for my CRX, so I'm watching your build with interest.
For better gripping belts, use Formerly Goodyear Gatorback, now Continental Elite belts. You have to order them online from vendors. They will grip a lot better due to ribs similar to a running shoe undersole. Only issue is, they are slightly thicker, so you will have less clearance on same rated length.
Those supercharger are known for cracking manifolds due to the weight. My brother ran that same unit on his GSR and I made him two brackets that held it from the block to the supercharger so the manifold wasn't being held up by the bolts alone. They are also bad for heat soaking. My brother got maybe two to three runs before it started heat soaking but driving around was fine. Also sitting in long red lights or traffic will cause it to heat soak also. All in all it was a good unit. Made good power on the low end.
Amazing car, channel and cant wait for the result !
Jackson racing supercharger M-45 is what the Miata NA/NB had, the M-62.5 is what FlynMiata/Cosworth made was for the Miata NC
Nice video. Great info that you don't see elsewhere
I had a 2004 E55. V8 with a roots type blower and that thing hauled ass and was dangerous if you turned the traction control off. I burned the back tires off in about a month.
Not sure what company you are referencing but all of the SVT Focus guys got their M62's rebuilt by Stiegemeyer and it looks like they are still in business.
I'm impressed. 3 lobe rotors. They don't pulse like the 2 lobe do. Nice.
yeah the nissan xtrras and frontiers have the same m62 supercharger that you may be able to use and find low millage
Please please please make a detailed video on how to install one on a naturally aspirated engine
That's the plan. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy Im so hyped for some performance content on your channel. Let it Rippppp
Usually when someone calls it a terminator instead of a cobra they know how deadly those 4 valve whipples are
A real Treat Especiale! AvE would be proud of you Eric!
Yup he released the Schmoooo on the healing bench.
Hey Eric, what do you plan on using for tuning it? I would add some injectors (don't need to be huge) and a high flow fuel pump as well (255 lph is more than enough). 500cc ish injectors are okay. Stock map sensor is okay as long as you stay under 10 psi or so. I tuned the d series version of this and it was a blast! Be careful of high IATs, I would be agressive with pulling timing for higher temps.
Eric, I don't know if John at LHT is making those intercooler setups anymore, if he is or if you can talk him into it this is the much better method for air charge cooling. I was looking to do the same to the supercharger on my d series but wound up going with meth injection instead. It really does help the intake temps. Also if your sending your charger off to The High Speed Lab for inspection and rebuild consider having them port the blower case. It will help with airflow and efficiency which is something these kits struggle with.
Thanks for the heads up.
Kid with a new toy! Have fun Eric!