i don’t think taylor should have brought lana up, BUT lana has come out to say that she was not in any way reluctant to go up there. she just has a sad resting face
Lana has a team that also probably talked to Taylor's team. Her PR statement doesn't really discount that she looks incredibly uncomfortable and literally pulled back
I think it is all giving "No one wanted to play with me as a little kid so I've been scheming like a criminal ever since to make them love me and make it feel effortless." Like, maybe she thinks that if she is genuine a lot of times, people will not like her. I can't imagine having to be scared about that all the time, to her level. Like walking on some insane tightrope. Anyone in that situation is bound to make mistakes and slip up because of all the pressure. I mean, she has kind of been public enemy number one in the past, and she does not want that to happen again. So she tries way too hard and misses stuff that's obvious to the rest of us in her quest for public performance perfection.
She does try too hard I agree! For some people it comes to them very effortlessly and we think after these many years in the industry she will be at ease! But no.. Although I don't know whether to sympathisr with her on this
she said in tokyo that if she won a grammy she was gonna announce it but if she didn’t she was gonna do it in tokyo during a show but also as someone who loves you Hannah i’m sending you prayers for when the hardcore swifties come lmao
That could have totally been her indirectly clearing the air! As swifties, we are just accustomed to consider everything she says on face value, as complete truth!
@@shradhachawan4569 i mean considering every single other announcement since the eras tour started has been during a show, I think it’s very plausible that she planned it for a show initially.
@juliamonaco656 😢 it's rare but there are some small cases, I know a guy who acknowledges that that he's a self-centered prick and he actually believes he's a narcissist but he owns it
Hannah, you should totally listen to boygenius!! They were emotional that night, Julien especially, cause they just announced their hiatus to focus on personal projects. They took home Best Rock Song, Best Rock Performance, and Best Alternative Music Album - a huge accomplishment that coincided with their decision. If you look at any of their speeches and interviews from that night, they are basically on the verge of tears the entire time 😭
hannah you are so good at talking like this second channel is such a vibe youre so good at video essays im enthralled and i also totally agree with your take
Fair opinion! You're right, we (the average citizen) can't relate to someone in her position, so it's really hard to say what exactly was going through her mind or others during this time and how taxing it must be to feel like you have to curate your persona in public all the time, but at the end of the day she's human and middle ground is needed when looking at these things so good for you and really liked your thoughts on this! Ps. Would love to see a reaction to her Eras concert now it's on Disney plus... Kinda a second round after the evolution video you did of Taylor. Love watching both your channels!
I think the reason Taylor brought Lana on stage, was because Lana was a feature on a Midnights song. And she was a co-writer on a lot of songs from that album. And Taylor still gave Lana recognition. I don't think it was rehearsed at all.
Few things first Lana is on the album Taylor won for so of course her first thought would be to bring her up. Plus Lana said online she had a great time in response to people reading into her reactions. Second if she did know she was going to win I assure you she would’ve saved the album announcement for aoty. Every award she wins she’s surprised the same can be said for SZA when she won her award was she really excited or did she expect it…no one’s reading into any other artist though. And lastly the same thing happened yesterday at the Oscar’s with Robert Downey jr and no one is mad at him for how he accepted his award. People are actually defending him which I find crazy. I usually like your videos but you could’ve done a better job on this one. 😭
She did not announce it after winning Album of the year, she announced after winning Pop album of the year, which was the 13th grammy. If she knew she was gonna win album of the year, why would she announce it with the "smaller" category and not the biggest one?
people are obsessed with Taylor Swift and they can't stop talking about her lol. not even talking about the swifties (makes sense for them) but everyone else
I also really like Taylor and her music but she seems like she has NPD. That doesn't mean she is a bad person but she's so overly self important. I do think that people refuse to admit it because she's a performer. She's also white which plays into her privilege too. A woman of color wouldn't be treated the same if they acted this way. It's obvious why the world revolves around her.
YESSS EXACTLYYY!! THANK YOUU!! White privilege and white feminism at its finest plus majority of her fanbase being filled with white women like I'm not surprised at this point
The thing is that if she had reacted any other way she would’ve been called narcissistic as well. She genuinely can not win no matter how she reacts/“over reacts” or looks or anything
You said it seemed like an odd reaction that she won as if it’s her first time, but it was shocking that she won again. She was probably as stunned as everyone else because she broke a record. And she was up against Beyoncé and Lana, who are also really good. She brought Lana up because not only does she respect and admire her, she was also on the album. She did thank Celine, and was once again probably in shock that she just won for the 4th time breaking a record. The boy genius photos are all literally assumptions. We don’t know why Julien was almost in tears. It could be that they won 3 Grammys and were moved to tears. It could also be partying too much, and emotions are high. I’m not saying Taylor isn’t overstepping, but the scrutiny is kinda ridiculous when we don’t know what the actual behind the scenes stuff is going on. While announcing an album at the grammys isn’t the standard, she wasn’t the only who did it. But, seems to be the only who is getting heat for it. Kacey Musgraves also did it with a promo, and a link to preorder her album. She is actually getting praise for it…
The Grammys is a party as well as a work function.. She had a bit too much to drink and was put there being a bit of a tipsy mess. She isn't a narcissist, but she is put up on this pedestal where she is expected to perform by us. Yes. The swifties. The fans. We idolise her and at the end of the day, yes she is a superstar we can't relate to, but she is human.
I’m not a swiftie, but I recently gained a greater appreciation of her music and her voice, so this is probably the closest I’ll ever get to being one. I think your assessment of this particular situation is spot on. None of us is always the best person we can be, and none of us has a life defined by one (or more) bad decisions.
i don't really understand the point of the video... doesn't matter if it's about taylor swift or any other woman are we hating like a man again and continuously trying to break down everything a woman does in order??? speculating on over-reacting and measure of uncomfortability of HER friend and work partner? (doesn't anybody think they have discussed it beforehand???) not a swiftie but just sick to my core of this type of narrative honestly, have been watching Hannah for years but this just made me so sad and disappointed
I think people are reading to much into every second and moment. She got overwhelmed, specially at album of the year, and got carried away and went for her producers, that also won the award (album of the year goes for artist and producers) and she wanted to bring Lana because she produced the album as well. Did she forgot to thank Celine in the moment? Yes. Does that make her evil? No. We all have moments we make mistakes and fail. She probably talked with Celine, since she shared pictures of the night, including one with Taylor. There is a crazy double standard and scrutiny of Taylor Example, Robert Downey Jr didn't talked and or even looked at the actor Ke Huy Quan that gave him the Oscar. No one is talking about how rude or mean he was. And he ignored him twice, one for the oscar and didn't even accept the card. Where is the pitchfork mob for that? But you know who got one? Emma Stone, when she was overwhelmed and forgot to look and thank Michele Yeoh, so much that Michelle did a post on social media for easing the tension. My comment is long but I also wonder how much is this also not a directed controversy to all female performers, singers or not.
She would’ve gotten so much more hate if she just left Lana alone at the table. She was just trying to help her friend feel included. Not to mention lana is featured on the album and is a cowriter for a lot of the songs. They were JOKING AROUND. Taylor didn’t mean to ignore Celine!!! She was just shocked that she won and broke a record and she was excited to announce the album. She also said at one of the japan shows she was planning on announcing it there if she didnt win an award. A lot of her fans watch the grammys so thats why she announced it there. Do you think its okay to call someone obnoxious when they’re just trying to have fun? How is its Taylor’s fault someone was overwhelmed? How is she supposed to know exactly how someone is feeling 24-7? It’s not her responsibility to make sure everyone is happy all the time. Taylor has had some instances in her career especially early on and in her 1989 era she derived a lot of her happiness and self confidence from people liking her. It’s hard to unlearn those behaviors, she talked about that in “Miss Americana.” Do your research before judging someone for no reason.
Its funny how people will hate on Taylor's fans and call them crazy for looking into every detail of her posts, shows, interactions, etc., just because they're excited about figuring out what's coming next and finding hints, when they're doing the same loooking for any flaw to try and bring Taylor down. I disagree with what you said about Taylor not being someone we can relate to becuase she's above her fans and only thinking of herself. I think just like us she makes mistakes, and just like us, it doesn’t make her any less human. I think Lana deserved to be on stage with Taylor just like Jack Antonoff was on stage with her. Lana was a part of the album and deserves to be up there with her. From clips before the red carpet it seemed like Lana had been nervous to go to the ceremony, and I think that's why Taylor was staying close to her and checking to make sure she was ok. It just seems like her being a friend. She said herself the next day that she didn’t know she'd win an award until it was announced, which is why she actually announced her new album when she went up for best pop vocal album and not AOTY. Her backup plan was announcing it the next day on tour in Tokyo. Her reaction seemed genuine to me to winning AOTY, especially after becoming the first person to win it 4 times. I do think she completely forgot to thank Celine on stage, probably from being overwhelemed at winning. Also I do fully believe that she thanked her afterwards when she took the photo. Celine posted it to her Insta right after the show, and I don’t think Taylor’s team forced Celine to post the picture like you seemed to be saying. When celine came on stage, Taylor was the first person standing up and cheering. I have no idea what happened with Boygenius, but I don’t think we should be assuming a whole scenario after just seeing a small clip of it?
Your emotional intelligence is like genius level, I so admire your intellect, and like also thank you so much for this because I really needed to hear it! This was like an accountability call out for me as someone with clinical social anxiety because like, it may not be my fault, but no one's gonna fix it for me! Like, the thing about Taylor is that she uses moments that should be about authentic emotional connection with others to boost her social standing instead of connecting with BoyGenius, Celine, Lana. When I let my anxious thoughts turn every moment every day into a performance with all this obsessive thinking, I miss out on connecting with others. What a loss - and then you start to miss out on your life itself! We only have one, after all.
I feel like Taylor really is genuinely surprised every time she wins an award, not because she feels that she herself doesn’t deserve it, but because she appreciates the other nominees. It’s less, “oh, little old me won an award?” and more, “wait, you like my thing better than theirs? Are you sure? Because theirs is amazing.” When Midnights won, I think she brought Lana up because she felt that Lana deserved praise that she realistically wouldn’t have gotten otherwise (and yes, she might have missed/misread Lana’s body language, but I don’t think that it was ill-intentioned). I also get the vibe that she really wasn’t planning to announce TTPD at the Grammys. I personally feel like she planned the announcement for her next Eras show, but then decided offhandedly, “well, if I win, I’ll do it at the Grammys instead.” The announcement as it happened seemed very unpolished, like she hadn’t put much thought into what she was going to say onstage, which lends itself to the theory that she hadn’t expected to win in the first place. That, in turn, might explain her behavior toward Celine Dion; she was so focused on scrambling to figure out what she was going to say that she didn’t even register how she was accepting the award or who she was accepting it from.
Taylor won two awards that night, she announced the album on the first award (pop album of the year), and Celine was on the second award, where Taylor won Album Of The Year for the fourth time. The first artist ever to win 4 AOTYs. She legitimately didn't expect to win it (which I think is very clear on her reaction, don't know how her reaction could look staged - she was just a bit drunk). I mean... Midnights wasn't her best album and Taylor is extremely self critical and listens to the critic opinion and to her fans opinions. Those were not gentle with her - most of them said the album was bad/disappointing, and this probably made her be sure that she would not receive it (also, on the year she won Folklore, everyone was surprised because nobody thought the Grammys would give her a third AOTY, even though it was deserving). I also saw many people saying midnights didn't deserve album of the year (swifties), so I'm really sure she was legitimately very surprised and confused (probably honored too) because she was making history right there. I think it's also clear on her acceptance speech that she really was not expecting it (I mean, bringing Lana on stage and praising her gives me the vibe she was implying Lana should've won, and, if you watch the video, Lana wasn't being dragged, she was just trying not to step on her dress).
funny how u say decline but yet she just ended 6 sold-out shows in Singapore , pre sale for her new album (TTPD)has already broken records , she still remains the most streamed artist on spotify global top artist even with new releases from other artists, her eras tour documentary is coming on streaming, so u better realize that few american tiktoks portraying her on bad light wont deteriorate her status as the supreme artist, cause taylor music is not only restricted to US only it has become global with a global fan base
Swift's treatment of Celine Dion was completely rude. Even 5 year olds know to thank someone when they receive something. Swift didn't even look at Celine, who happens to be a seriously ill person. Don't excuse this rudeness. Has anyone seen Paul McCartney or Stevie Wonder behave this way?
i’m a swiftie so i may be a bit biased, but i think her shock was authentic. she is the first *ever* artist to win album of the year 4 times. and she said on the eras tour (in tokyo) after the announcement of TTPD, she said that if she didn’t win, she was going to announce the album that night at the eras tour , so she wasn’t being self centered, like she knew she was going to win, she was obviously hoping to win, but had another option. (but i’m not going to back her up fully, brining lana on stage was not a good idea, and she was probably wrapped up in her win at that moment) EDIT: before anyone says anything, i’m not saying hanna is wrong! i agree with most things that hanna had said! also like i said im a HUGE swifte, so im also probably biased!
As the opposite of a Swiftie, I completely agree with you except for maybe the reaction bit. I think she was just shocked. Also the Lana situation probably had good intentions but a bad execution. Not to mention Tayler completely ignoring her on stage after bothering to get her up there. The CD thing I think was her just caught up in the moment. I didn’t like that she announced the album. Her entire speech in fact wasn’t great. It very much gave the vibe “Thank You, Next”. Especially compared to Mileys speech that basically said that the (first) award was just a cherry on top of the already big Sundae that is her life and career. There’s a reason why everyone reacted weirdly. The event is about all music and all artists and she made it about herself. There’s a time and a place and that wasn’t it. It’s like she doesn’t realize that everyone she meets or encounters isn’t going to be a fan of hers. She’s so used to being blindly worshiped that it effects how she acts in events like this. She’s a great business woman and had to know that doing that will make all the Grammy stories/attention all about her. I like what you did at the end that her fans can’t pretend that she is one of them. She literally has all the privilege one could benefit from (except her gender) in our society, and she was always very wealthy. She is the definition of not above criticism. And people can still be a fan of hers while still holding her to a more realistic level. I do that with celebrities I’m a fan of. It makes us better fans as we can respect them but also call them out on their bullshit. Ok rant over. Remember: just MY opinion.
I mean... Have you really seen it? When Lana was on the stage Taylor asked them to come closer to her - Lana didn't want it. And even though Lana was on the back, half of Taylor's speech was talking about Lana. What do you mean "ignored" her??? (Also, Lana said she wasn't brothered and if you watch closely, you'll see Lana wasn't being dragged, she was just being cautious about not stepping on the dresses. I think Taylor's speech was the way it was because she truly was bot expecting it. Midnights was received with lots of negative criticism, and Taylor has had albulms that received better criticism but still didn't get a Grammy (also, I think the "thank you, next" speech you mean was the one where she won pop album of the year - when she announced the album -, not aoty, where she had Lana and Celine on stage, which definitely makes a difference)
I assumed it was because Lana del Rey cowrote and sang a song on the winning album. That said, this feels like an Anne Hathaway moment. Everyone turned on Hathaway after she won for Les Miserables I think it was..? because she was putting on a performance to cover up the stuff she was actually going through. I don't know Taylor's life or what she's going through, but this public behavior was unusual for her.
People have been on a very anti Taylor Swift bandwagon at the moment. Has she done some stupid/silly stuff? Yes Will it stop me listening to her music? No
First of all. Taylor announced TTPD when she won her first award that night, for best pop vocal album and that was her 13 Grammy. That's a big difference. If she knew she's gonna win AoTY she would wait. Reaction you show is for AoTY win, at the end of the night. I follow this woman for 13 years now. And know when she is faking exitment. That's not it. She was truly shocked, and truly drunk. I'm not some crazy Swiftie who sees her as a flawless queen. I know she's not perfect, I know she is strategic, I know she can be dorky. And I know she, sometimes, overreacts. But here,she is shocked. That's not normal TS behavior. 😂❤ I think she was caught off guard, that's why this whole thing is so chaotic.
Thank you! I love Hannah, but this video is just.... Wrong. I couldn't even finish it because she put the two awards/wins together somehow and made literal mistakes. Saying what you think about something that didn't happen as you described it is wrong (in the sense you can't have an opinion/clear mind about something you have a different idea of what actually happened).
Taylor's "THING" or Gimmick if you will, has always been to fain how much love/appreciation she gets from fans... if you watch a lot of her concerts - when she first comes out she does that exact same thing like "WHO ME?! You're here to see ME?!" and I used to hate it but now it's kind of campy and I enjoy it haha.. I think also she genuinely might have been shocked because it wasn't her best album. Maybe a combo of the two?
Taylor needs to take a decade long break. She is too much. She doesn’t care about anyone but herself. Not everyone lives in a world where they want to have Taylor being the sun.
right? i do not think she is physically capable of understanding that some people aren't fans,and don't want to be no matter how much she shoves herself in their faces
Idk, your take on this is pretty interesting, but I feel like Taylor was trying to prove her public image that night. She wanted to hang out with Lana not because of public attention, but simply because she feels Lana is a cool person and she wants to hang out with her. Taylor invited Lana on the stage based on her assumption that Lana wanted to go up stage, and I feel like it was thoughtful of her to do that. She ignored Celine, I think she was just caught up in the moment, where she didn’t really notice her. It’s literally because she won and broke a record, anyone would be shocked too. I personally don’t blame her for this, just pretty pissed that all people notice is the fact that she ignored Celine once. All the other times I have never seen Taylor ignore someone on stage, and I don’t see any praise for that🤷♀️ Personally I think she was pretty drunk that night. It just bothers me that people only notice Taylor for these kind of things. Just because Taylor did well for every other award show means the standard is super high, and any wrong move would cause her rep to crumble. Idk, it just feels like the actions she did tonight were because she was desperate to prove she was not the bitchy person haters expect her to be, and stress causes people to slip up. I just feel really bad for her that she has to endure all this hate on her I guess.
I think it makes sense that she is performing for an invisible audience since let's be real no matter what she does people will jump on it so it's understandable she is trying to put on a show that will give her less hate and etc. Which is really sad on a lot of levels and applies to a lot of celebrities. From the clips her reaction yeah looks really cringey, but also what's the appropriate reaction when you are 95% sure that you will win a grammy and it's your 13th. Maybe she should try to step back from the spotlight a bit or we should just care about celebrities a lot less in general, but not like that's fully possible cause our society is fucked
I’ve met Taylor at a secret session and she came across so humble and her emotional intelligence was clearly incredible. Treated everyone with respect so I hate it when the media say she’s a narcissist or even “evil”. She doesn’t feel like a billionaire when in conversation. However I did notice as we were under contracts she acted more “natural” and unfiltered than she does at award shows etc. she swore occasionally, name dropped etc. I think she is just scared of getting cancelled due to everyone nip picking at her every move. 1) at the Grammys in another angle she says thank you to celine twice (once before and once after) 2) Lana commented on Instagram basically shutting down the rumors that she was upset. Imagine the hate if Taylor and her team stood on that stage and left Lana sat all alone. Bearing in mind she literally was on the album. Then Taylor even proceeded to make half of her speech about her ❤ 3) She literally can’t breathe anymore without getting criticised recently half of TikTok were hating on her for coughing at a concert like what 😭😭 no wonder she spends her time planning everything out.
I agree but I still think you don't know everything, Lana was a co writer in some songs and a producer and has a feature in there too if she didn't brought her up people would criticize her , and Taylor's reaction imo was pretty authentic not only because it's her forth time winning aoty and the only artist to do so but also because you can't imagine the amount of people saying that she wasn't going to win, and about Celine actually everyone was told not to touch her at all she has stiff person syndrome it's a rare, chronic neurological disorder that causes muscle stiffness and sometimes intense spasms, and about her announcing ttpd she said in Tokyo if she didn't win she was going to announce it in there ,but about boygenius I can't defend her actually I didn't like that too.
You've got your facts mixed up/wrong. This video is cringe. She announced TTPD when she won best Pop Album, which she probably could have been fairly confident she would win and therefore could have a plan to announce the album beforehand (even though she said in tokyo if she hadn't won anything she would have announced it there. The reaction you show is her winning album of the year which was definitely not a given at all and her surprised reaction was justified. many people though that SZA had a very good chance of taking it instead. she had just lost song and record of the year, categories she was also favored in. and she had just broken the record to become the only person to win 4 AOTY awards. all of those are reasons for her extreme reaction of surprise.
i can’t do this. if taylor would’ve reacted any other way it still would’ve have been used against her. imagine if she made lana sit at the table by herself after losing and just watching her accept it? hello.
@carolinamansur113 yeah you're right, i didn't even realize it when I wrote my comment, so I agree! People would have hated on Taylor if she let's Lana stay at the table alone
@@liliphdr at least you acknowledge it. So many people on the internet are unable to say "sorry, I was wrong" or anything like that. Refreshing to see someone just straight up accepting, thank you for making my day a bit better
Hi! Swiftie here, so I'm not objective at all xD but I completly agree with you: public scrutiny can make anybody "less human". Must be weird and exhausting and, for a person like her whose brand built up on the "relatable girl", the transition was never easy. I don't think her reaction was acted (she has a history in that matter xD, and even some swifties thought she wasn't gonna win the AOTY), instead I think she's quirkie and weird and, as a fellow, I relate to that xD. The truth is we will never know. Maybe Taylor already apologised with Lana and the girls form Boy Genius, maybe she didn't need to, so... we can keep listening to her music and be happy xD
I don’t blame her for how she reacted if anyone had the whole world watching them they better be living life in the 3rd person with everything planned or you would be cancelled in 0.3 seconds, and I also think she was a little drunk that night too.
Oh, she was definitely drunk. But also, definitely surprised when she won aoty. But, yeah, most of the times, she needs to plan ahead like that or else she might be cancelled.
Coming back to this video after spending the whole day listening to her newest album. I completely agreed with everything you said when you first posted your video but I’m now thinking that maybe the reason everything looked so “off” is simply because she has truly been acting her heart out (see I Can Do It With a Broken Heart). She was indeed out of touch, but perhaps simply because she’s still overcompensating to hide a broken heart, and as a result resonated oddly and non-genuinely for us. Just my unsolicited chaotic thoughts 😅
I'm totally with you on that. Taylor (and her Team) is an extreeeeme genius. Unfortunately, because of that, everything is planned and calculated and little is left to chance. It makes a lot of things seem stiff and not genuine. At the same time, she is somehow down to earth but also far removed from reality. I like Taylor a lot, but I'm glad not to have rose-colored glasses on, not to put her on a pedestal, to see things critically and to question things.
The only thing about the night that seemed like a bit much was announcing the album at the Grammys. It took a lot of the buzz away from any other artists moments that night, which is kind of disappointing. All the other things are just reading way too much into people's expressions and a poorly handled but genuinely surprised reaction. Taylor was going to get critiqued if she won no matter how she acted, just because of how under the gun she's been this year and how many really strong contenders also deserved it. I'm a big Swiftie but was still hoping someone else might win since it would mean more for their career. I feel like you give so much grace to singers for individual performances and how they might be feeling on a specific day, it would be nice to take the same lens for how Taylor acted during this very crazy day.
Celine and Taylor had already hugged and talked back stage but the audience wasn’t aware of this. I would have acknowledged Celine a second time on stage!
Taylor is a very A-list celebrity, so she is going to be put under fire no matter what she does. I do agree that a lot of the things she did at the Grammy's were quite tasteless and inconsiderate of those around her/the prestigiousness of the event, but even the most minor things that she does or says is going to be twisted and over exaggerated. Her dragging Lana on stage does look inconsiderate, but she would've been scrutinized if she left Lana at the table alone. Lana was a part of Midnights having sung on and written Snow On The Beach, so it makes sense for Taylor to want her to be on stage for the win. Loved this video, thanks for creating a space for people to safely share their interpretations and opinions.
Note** I also super agree that anouncing TTPD was extremely tacky and tasteless. It would've been recieved way better if it was announced night 1 in Tokyo.
I fell like with Taylor Swift's fame, it's inevitable that she would living completely different lives from the average person. And I fell bad to know that she feels like she has to plan this sort of thing to be seen well by the public. I have empathy for her, but that is just as important as giving her constructive criticism.
I agree with everything youve said as a swiftie, but i personally do think her reaction was real. Midnights was an amazing album but its only purpose was to introduce the eras tour. I dont think she ever considered it to be a grammy winning album.
My opinion is that I hate, HATE how idolized musicians and other celebrities are. Let people do what they love to do and celebrate their success if you like what they create, and of course they should be allowed to make a living off of it that makes up for the sacrifices they make to endure the spotlight. Idolizing? No thanks. It allows for unnecessary over promotion and monetization of oneself in Taylor's case. Watching my little cousin stare at a screen with cortisol pumping through her as she tried to buy the limited edition version of the new album was hard to watch and made me feel gross about this particular fanbase. Especially now having seen there's been multiple limited edition albums released of the same record. Taylor is a BILLIONAIRE. She does not need to prey on her fans who don't know any better yet and who likely can't afford hundreds of dollars for one album. I can appreciate how being in the spotlight puts a lot of pressure on a person, and they don't get to choose as it comes with success which can be unpredictable, however it IS a choice to go so far beyond performing and creating music because you love it where you turn it into a calculated business opportunity at every turn. I don't care about Taylor, nor do I wish her any ill will, I care about what she's doing to the industry, which is dominating through clever business practices and contributing to the normalization of this way of being an artist. It creates even more challenges for new artists coming into the scene who make better music than everyone at the Grammys in the first place. I know she isn't the first or only person to do this by any means, she's one of many, she's just the topic of this video and one of the bigger names out there right now. End rant lol.
Girl u made me cry bc ur so right. I LOVE Taylor, but i really want her to retire. She deserve everything she has, but how the famous life and the media is treating her it's no good for her health. I want her to have a happy life with her boyfriend, her cats, her familly, being happy without being worry about how is she going to be in the next media appearance. All i know she's a good person and she would be a great mother and be capable to live a happy life without us 🤍
I love you Hannah, and I really loved the second half of your video, your overall conclusions and perspective on celebrity and how we need to see the nuance and I completely agree! The idolisation of celebrities and the black/white lense is insane. That said I also think the judgement of celebrities is what brings us there... the way we analyse every single movement or expression for a double meaning or how they might actually be feeling when I think that's the part where we can say *they're human*, they aren't perfect and they're overstimulated and overwhelmed and of course trying to "act"(word used lightly) a certain way in front of the public, just like any of us would at a function. That said... the points you started with just invalidated a lot of the assertions you made for me, the fact that you started off with saying her reaction was inauthentic/rehearsed, referring to the wrong award won, and the planned aspect which are 100% inaccurate kind of made this a let down video for me. I do think a discussion about Taylor's public persona and her as a businesswoman, how much is authentic vs carefully curated is an interesting valid one to have, but not without accurate basis. I usually love your videos, I love how open and authentic you are, as well as your takes... but this felt really judgemental and rude with misinformation to back it up which felt less like an opinion piece ramble and just... misinformed. Bringing up narcissism and making this many judgements based on one incident just feels unlike the Hannah I know, I'm sorry. 1. She didn't plan for winning, her plan was to announce at Tokyo if she didn't, she stated as much during her tokyo show the next day(she caught her flight the night of the grammys) - and maybe that would've been more tactful rather than in a room of her peers I do agree... but she didn't *know* she was going to win at the grammys. 2. Lana is one of Taylor's close friends, who herself has cleared up going onstage was good. 3. Taylor was definitely shocked to be the first 4-time AOTY winner, if you find it cringy that's fine, but claiming it was definitely rehearsed is just.. it's comically the same thing she's been criticised for since the start of her career, and hated on, and it feels tired. She's for sure cringy and dramatic and overreacts but... it's not fake it's just her face. 4. She clearly spoke with and thanked Celine backstage, those images are damage control but they also prove that, and she's not the first celeb to fumble like that onstage. 5. I'm not going to pretend I know boygenius, I do know what it's like to be an anxious overstimulated neurodivergent person with a more outgoing friend, but I do know that Taylor is very close with boygenius and I'm sure everything was ok there, and I think people are projecting and over reading into it. 6. Returning to point 1, she is in a room of her peers, I think to some degree announcing a new musical project isn't that strange, maybe not tactful or the right choice for a YAY reaction, but while I think it's the most valid criticism she's received I can see why she may have overlooked it being weird.
@@caitlint2223she absolutely is. There are 4 types of narcs. I can’t recall them at the moment. Some are worse than others like Amber Heard and Meghan Markle. Taylor isn’t that level but she absolutely is one. HG Tudor did a video on her. I’m a fan of her music and liked her back in the day as a person but through the years something began to bug me and when the Katy Perry stuff happened and other run ins happened like Kanye (I’m not even getting into that. Do your own research, I did a deep dive on my own as a curious fan but not swiftie and def not a Kim and Kanye fan but Kim did not illegally record her, Kanye video recorded himself. The whole video is here on TH-cam of their call start to finish. Look it up as well as the 2 different stories Taylor’s people released pre and post video clip release (that video also wasn’t edited for anything other than time) . it’s all out there.) But yes Taylor is 100% a narcissist. One of her traits is feeding on praise and attention. Another trait is having a perfectly curated persona and also a need to control the narrative around them. FYI “Narcissist” doesn’t necessarily mean bad person lol maybe just quicker to turn on you, make themselves the victim, gaslight and use you to their own advantage. Like they can be problematic but not necessarily setting out to do people harm. It’s just their personality traits. It’s said she is well aware of it and that’s how she hides it. But if you pay attention and just look at things objectively you’ll see it. Again not saying she’s a bad person.
@@caitlint2223they’re two main types of narcissists, the overt narcissist (think Megan Markle or Amber Heard), and the covert narcissist (Taylor Swift)
She's DRAMATIC about EVERYTHING!! Extremely immature, fake, little social sense...the whole Lana and Celine Dion situation were extremely cringworthy. It's ALL about Taylor- even her altuism is to get attention and she KNOWS it! Lol
I think you pinpointed my frustration about Taylor Swift at the Grammys-with her interactions with Celine Dion, Jack Antonoff, and bourgeois-with her lack of awareness of those around her. More than that, she didn’t let them show them the respect that, I would assume, she would have demanded from them. If Swift was of Celine’s stature as a staple of music history and had been virtually ignored, there would have felt like an affront. When Jack Antonoff was being highlighted for his Grammy for Produce of the Year, she was literally physically manhandling him, shaking him and giving him noogies. And then, with boygenius, this is their first (and last since their project is done) awards: let them have their moment without treating it like a joke.
Swiftie here: I really like your point of not being completely black and white in how we view celebrities. I don't think her reaction was rehearsed but I do agree that she was quite insensitive to Lana, Celine and Boy George. And I hadn't seen before but now you've explained it, I totally see how announcing her new album at the Grammy's was really not great.
@@evannaperry9275 But her point wasn't about whether the event was important or not, but about time & place. If Beyonce announced her upcoming album during her half time performance that would be one thing, kinda similar to what Taylor did. But she took out an ad which cost millions (even if Verizon paid for it idk) and mentioned it there briefly at the end...just like any other company, business, artist, movie trailer etc. did or could have done if they wanted during the game. Plus, it's a sporting event, there's no rules or decorum for what can and can't be in a commercial that an entity pays for with its own $$. Some ppl only watch the game for the funny, crazy, epic commercials, they don't even care about football. However, Taylor did it live on stage (not prior to the event or shortly afterwards) taking a moment in front of her peers and industry colleagues at a prestigious ceremony to announce her new album...not in front of her dedicated excited fans (though some were likely watching on tv). Which was Hannah's point about how inappropriate it was. Notice, no one else at the Grammys was shown to take their moment of shine while accepting an award to do the same, and it's not something most artists have a history of doing at the Grammys either to set a precedent of sharing upcoming albums or music drops. At the end of the day, her and Beyonce's situations are completely different. Even if Taylor had taken out an ad/commercial DURING the Grammys to announce her album (like Beyonce did for the Superbowl) would have been fine, but not live at the "work event/function" to use it as free promotion as if the others there present at the ceremony were there for her, and not to (hypothetically) celebrate music, artists, and the industry in general.
@@evannaperry9275 That's not the point. It's about time & place. Beyonce (or Verizon) paid to take out an ad during a sporting event. Taylor announced it live on stage at essentially a work function in front of peers and industry colleagues, using the Grammys as pretty much free promotion. Other artists don't do that at the event for a reason. The two situations are not the same in any way. If Beyonce did the same thing live during either one of her two Superbowl halftime performances, I'd see your point. Or, on the other hand, if Taylor had a commercial during the Grammys announcing her upcoming album, then I'd see your point. But it's completely different no matter how you look at it based on the type of event plus the avenue & moment chosen to make the announcements.
Anddddd the marketing strategy lands just perfectly 😂 As a swiftie i don't personally see anything other than an annoying drunk (as in, she gets a little tipsy and she loosens up and loses the self-control she normally has over every little thing she does). Obviously she's not an angel, and she SHOULD be criticised for other things, but the whole Grammys discussion is just... booooriiiiiiing. I respect your opinion tho!
I debated writing this comment because this video was posted 8 months ago but whatever. A few things you got wrong. 1. Lana del Rey was a producer on midnights which is why Taylor had her come up when she won AOTY. 2. Taylor did thank Celine Dion you can look up videos of her doing so. 3. Everyone makes announcements at award shows why do people only have a problem when Taylor does it? She said if she didn’t win AOTY she would’ve announced it in tokyo. About Taylor’s life constantly being about her/her career and everything being in third person. While we do me of us personally know her or any celebrity for that matter. If you watch her Miss Americana (her Netflix documentary). She mentions several times that she’s come to realize her career having people cheer for her is not the most important thing in life. It’s obvious that if nothing else she is very self aware and realizes that her life isn’t normal. People who’ve met her both famous and normal people have said that she doesn’t realize she’s Taylor swift or act like it.
Soon the end? 1°) Taylor Swift had said she would do music up to 2089... But I wonder if she's not aiming to stop after her 13th album. Personally, I think she should process this way. 2°) 13 albums is already something. So that would take up to her 40s if she releases an album every 2 year, so her 12th in 2026 (36 years old), and her 13th around 2028 (38 years old) + tours and others (...) up to 2030 (40s). 3°) She could convert to many other fields, like marketing as she had said she would have worked in that field if she hadn't become a singer. She could convert to Politics, but she should be cautious. Indeed, she has had an effect with her Eras Tour, but as an artist that mostly deal about love and breakups... Singing about teenage-like breakups at her 50s and 60s will have make her lose credibility to the ones that follow her. 4°) If she has ideas and opinions she has expected the time to share, she should feel free to share some of them from around the end of her career if she plans to stop after her 13th album. 5°) She could also work as an artist coach, waiting to get involved more in Politics in her 50s maybe (?). 6°) The way they plan things for her has made me thinking for a time now.
There are 4 types of narcissists. *FYI Being a narcissist isn’t just being a mean girl and on the flip side…. deciding when someone acts poorly that “oh they didn’t mean to do that so no they aren’t a narcissist” isn’t accurately diagnosing someone as NOT being a narc* . This is a word that gets thrown around and attached to someone basically just because someone is rude or seems pretentious and it’s incorrect for a couple of reasons. None of the 4 types of narcs are great but Taylor isn’t the super bad one like Amber Heard and Meghan Markle which is what people think of when you hear the word narcissist. But she absolutely is one. You have to look at their personality traits, look at past behavior and how they present themselves amongst other things. HG Tudor did a deep dive on it and it was really interesting but swifties should avoid it because he doesn’t give AF about sugar coating things he tells the good the bad all of it. But being a narcissist doesn’t mean you are automatically a bad person. She can be a narcissist and still be a good person, have friends, be likable but those traits are there that are problematic too that people close to her just have to look out for.
Hannah, I love you, but I stopped watching 3 minutes in because of the inaccuracies. She announced the album when she won pop album of the year (her 13th grammy) not AOTY. She said if she didn't win a grammy she was gonna announce it in Tokyo. Sure, I did think bringing up Lana was cringy, and I don't agree with everything Taylor does. But If you want to criticize her, which is your right, I just want you to make sure you get the facts of the situation right.
Lana is finally finally gaining the traction and recognition and solid fan base she deserves so Taylor is 100% sticking to her side. She’s done this with a few artists as they are at their height of popularity or nearing their break like Ed Sherran (though I do know she helped discover him but they were thick as thieves when he was hot. Now we don’t really see them. Shawn Mendes, now Ice Spice, and Sabrina Carpenter, she did this with Olivia Rodrigo Selena Gomez (though people say their bffs it’s kinda like we never see them together really? We see her with Blake way more. It’s always seemed like a weird friendship to me) it feels like a keep your enemies closer kinda thing. Not enemies but more… competition. But yes she is strategic with who she is bff’s with and photographed with and as Lana is finally getting the attention she deserves and is a musical genius Taylor will be right there. But we will see she will move on to someone else soon as soon as Lana levels out a bit in popularity.
Girl… Taylor have talked abt this several times abt how people always get mad at her for “overreacting” when she wins an award. She’s always been like this, it just makes her excited, nothing wrong that 💀
I’m a swifite but I try to still look at Taylor’s behavior objectively(as everyone should). I mean, in my opinion, I don’t think any of it was a big deal at all. Sure, she acted a little weird and tactless but it wasn’t anything that bad, she was just slightly rude at one event, she was probably thinking about a lot. She is definitely self centered, how could you not be when the entire world cares about everything you do? I don’t think that makes her a bad person tho. And the whole Lana thing… it was a little awkward but people seem to forget that Lana was a feature on the album, that’s why she was brought up. It wasn’t a pity “oh you didn’t win, come with me so you can have a moment on stage” it was more of a “oh you helped on the album, you deserve to be up there for your contributions”. It was still awkward, I admit. Overall, it was a little weird, she’s a little self centered, but she’s not a bad person. I totally agree with your point of her being on a totally different level then most other people, that level of fame has a massive affect on people’s behavior and mindset
no i do not agree on the lana thing. taylor did that in order to try and recognise lana. lets not forget! lana worked on midnights!!! stop trying to pin point taylor as a bad person all the time. shes successfull shes goig far in life. try not to be jealous, its pathetic
It's pathetic what you're doing. Is Tatlot Swift beyond criticism, really? You worship the ground ahw walks on and she doesn't even know you. It's gross.
@georgiadavies4106 You probably should ve stopped on your opinion. When you started to say 'stop trying to..." Now that's no longer an opinion isn't it? That's telling people what to do, plain and simple. But not that you care. You think Taylor Swift is infallible which is foolish.
@@bellajones12345 oh dear you are obviously incredibly confused! i was explaining that my opinion on the matter is that taylor did not bring lana up with ill intent. i also explained my opinion of frustration because i am sick and tired of people, women in particular being pin pointed as bad people. i'm over it! if my opinion was really invalid as you say it to be why bother replying, once again its my opinion. i also did not say that i think that taylor is infallible but i do not think that in this instance she was in the wrong. again, my opinion. please get a life and get back to me when you can a) appreciate talented people in this world and b) allow others to exist without imploding, its pathetic.
this isn’t relevant anymore because it was from months ago but i’ve just seen it and wanna just throw my opinion into the abyss. i think it’s a little weird that people create these video essays and think pieces about taylor looking at every move she makes. it’s feels odd. they don’t do it with anyone else. i think the majority of taylor’s reactions to winning awards are uncomfortable in recent years. not because she knew she would win but because for years people have ridiculed her for her ‘fake surprised face’. all she’s gonna be thinking is about all the people watching her every move, like you are, and how to try and appear as natural as possible, which obviously is not going to look the most natural. taylor had all good intentions of being lana up i think. they’re literally friends. lana was literally a collaborator on the album. she invited her collaborators on the stage with her. i feel like it’s weird so see a video of taylor fixing lana’s hair on the red carpet and jump straight to “taylor’s acting like lana’s tour guide as if lana doesn’t know what she’s doing. what a jump! instantly made me aware that you’re looking at every situation with a negative bias and that’s why i don’t think this video is a constructive one.
I might end up regretting this, let me preface is by stating that I am not a Taylor hater or supporter. I find her to be a little bland but I think her music is enjoyable to an extent. As someone who has worked with a vulnerable aka covert narcissist for roughly 4 years in a band; she exhibits some of the same red flags and questionable behaviors. The argument can be made that she could be a narcissist. I’m not out right calling her one in any means however, there is probability that she could be one. The main thing that comes to mind for me is how she seems to support causes when it helps her narrative and the socials issues that people claim she should be supporting she is always hesitant because it could mess with her image(communal narc behavior). Any time there seems to be general criticism towards her perceived as negative, the army of triangulated swifties (not every swiftly acts like this) come rushing in to her aid and do her bidding. Lastly, what I find to be the most alarming, is her response to people posting public information about her flight logs. It can be argued posting stuff like that seems hella petty, Taylor’s response was extremely crass and a little uncalled for. Once again this highlights her fear of her public image being tarnished over something seemingly minuscule. Or lastly she could just be really good at selling the image and handle all her emotional struggles out of the limelight. The only people who would truly know are those in her close circle.
Calling Taylor “obnoxious” in a photo where it’s clear that in one of them phoebe is smiling and laughing and kissing Julian and jack is laughing and waving to be FUNNY and Lucy is also laughing and smiling is just so rude. Like they’re all having a good time INCLUDING TAYLOR and then just calling her obnoxious and annoying for having a good time and taking a silly photo is truly disgusting. I love you and your content Hannah but this is just sad to watch You’re blaming EVERYTHING on Taylor for that photo session meanwhile, she’s not a photographer, there are 5 total people in the picture, like please calm down. This goes for all the other things you complained about
I rarely comment on videos and I have loved most of your videos Hannah but I'm so disappointed in this video I had to say something. I'm a Swiftie but honestly this isn't about what you said about Taylor, it's the fact that you made a list of all the mistakes another woman made and then made commentary on it. Taylor may be a lot of things but she's still a person and a woman and this video gave me the ick
Yes. And it's also factually wrong. She put aoty moments together with Taylor announcing TTPD, which were not close at all. You can't have an actual opinion about something that you misheard/misconstructed. Your opinion becomes something else. An opinion of an hypothetical situation.
The whole point of the video is to analyze (not criticize) Swift's actions that night. Hannah actually did a very graceful job at making sure no one believed that she was attacking Swift. She made herself very clear that she does not think Swift is a narcissist or inherently evil person. You clicked on this video having read the title, and are still disappointed in the video's contents. If you didn't want commentary on Swift's moral fiber, I sincerely don't understand why you would choose to watch this video. Taylor made some objectively bad choices, such as dragging a very clearly uncomfortable La Del Ray up on stage and essentially ignoring Celine Dion (two of the hugest names in her industry). I'm not saying that Swift is a bad person or even a narcissist, necessarily. I'm just saying she behaved somewhat poorly. I'm still a fan!
@@jacobmackinnon2895 I clicked on this video as a fan of Hannah and Taylor because I thought Hannah was using the title as click bait and was going to come at it with the grace she usually comes at things with and was sad and disappointed by what I found. This was not a movie or song analysis this was analysis of a woman who made history just living her life. It just feels icky to me that this human person is getting their behaviour analyzed for entertainment. Like I said it's not about what Taylor did it's about how this video and others like it exist.
ok, but apart from all the controversy, I'm here to please ask you to react to boygenius' songs, you'll freaking LOVE them, especially because of their harmonies and lyrics, they make me cry 🥹
I dont agree about the reaction.... No one was expecting her to take home that grammy and as everyone says that one was not when she announced the album. If she knew she was going to win she would annonced it at the bigger win. About the lana thing who are we to say we dont know her IRL. Maybe they discussed prior. 🤷
In the moment of this whole event, I never even noticed anything more than her shock in winning and the speech leading to the album announcement. Seeing every incident broken down like this really opened my eyes and I think I agree with everything said. As much as Taylor is relatable, there’s clearly calculated moves at play too, and this whole moment in time showcased that
I love Taylor 💖 but I am convinced she’s a covert narcissist!! She’s Blair Waldorf, Chanel Oberlin ( from Scream Queens) and Regina Gearge combined!! 😂 However, these are some fascinating characters, people love them for a reason!!
i don’t think taylor should have brought lana up, BUT lana has come out to say that she was not in any way reluctant to go up there. she just has a sad resting face
Lana has a team that also probably talked to Taylor's team. Her PR statement doesn't really discount that she looks incredibly uncomfortable and literally pulled back
Lana is on the album that won…
as someone with sad resting face i can definitely relate lol
What was she going to say
It's called damage control
I think it is all giving "No one wanted to play with me as a little kid so I've been scheming like a criminal ever since to make them love me and make it feel effortless." Like, maybe she thinks that if she is genuine a lot of times, people will not like her. I can't imagine having to be scared about that all the time, to her level. Like walking on some insane tightrope. Anyone in that situation is bound to make mistakes and slip up because of all the pressure. I mean, she has kind of been public enemy number one in the past, and she does not want that to happen again. So she tries way too hard and misses stuff that's obvious to the rest of us in her quest for public performance perfection.
She does try too hard I agree! For some people it comes to them very effortlessly and we think after these many years in the industry she will be at ease! But no.. Although I don't know whether to sympathisr with her on this
She's a communal narcissist.
@@natalieharrison5202that term gets tossed around way too loosely
No, you're just beginning to see who/how she really is. She purposely did not acknowledge Celine.
she said in tokyo that if she won a grammy she was gonna announce it but if she didn’t she was gonna do it in tokyo during a show
but also as someone who loves you Hannah i’m sending you prayers for when the hardcore swifties come lmao
That could have totally been her indirectly clearing the air! As swifties, we are just accustomed to consider everything she says on face value, as complete truth!
Which makes sense cause of all the red herrings she was doing for reputation. And the ready for it mv
@@shradhachawan4569 i mean considering every single other announcement since the eras tour started has been during a show, I think it’s very plausible that she planned it for a show initially.
She’s def a narcissist and even called herself one
People who are narcissists don’t call themselves narcissists…
@juliamonaco656 😢 it's rare but there are some small cases, I know a guy who acknowledges that that he's a self-centered prick and he actually believes he's a narcissist but he owns it
She’s always given me female narcissistic vibes
And covers it up by acting like a feminist for all women which she isn’t
Social media is not as powerful as people think. It goes on a rant about something but never really cancels anything or anybody.
Hannah, you should totally listen to boygenius!! They were emotional that night, Julien especially, cause they just announced their hiatus to focus on personal projects. They took home Best Rock Song, Best Rock Performance, and Best Alternative Music Album - a huge accomplishment that coincided with their decision. If you look at any of their speeches and interviews from that night, they are basically on the verge of tears the entire time 😭
The live video of Cool About It perhaps!
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i’m so glad more people are having nuanced conversations about taylor swift. this is such a good take
hannah you are so good at talking like this second channel is such a vibe youre so good at video essays im enthralled and i also totally agree with your take
Taylor definitely has issues & those who are big fans of hers don't know the truth about this freaking celebrity. You said it right as 3rd person.
Fair opinion! You're right, we (the average citizen) can't relate to someone in her position, so it's really hard to say what exactly was going through her mind or others during this time and how taxing it must be to feel like you have to curate your persona in public all the time, but at the end of the day she's human and middle ground is needed when looking at these things so good for you and really liked your thoughts on this!
Ps. Would love to see a reaction to her Eras concert now it's on Disney plus... Kinda a second round after the evolution video you did of Taylor.
Love watching both your channels!
I think the reason Taylor brought Lana on stage, was because Lana was a feature on a Midnights song. And she was a co-writer on a lot of songs from that album. And Taylor still gave Lana recognition. I don't think it was rehearsed at all.
It definitely wasn’t rehearsed, but it was in bad taste. It was probably a simple mistake in not reading the room but still.
Few things first Lana is on the album Taylor won for so of course her first thought would be to bring her up. Plus Lana said online she had a great time in response to people reading into her reactions. Second if she did know she was going to win I assure you she would’ve saved the album announcement for aoty. Every award she wins she’s surprised the same can be said for SZA when she won her award was she really excited or did she expect it…no one’s reading into any other artist though. And lastly the same thing happened yesterday at the Oscar’s with Robert Downey jr and no one is mad at him for how he accepted his award. People are actually defending him which I find crazy. I usually like your videos but you could’ve done a better job on this one. 😭
She did not announce it after winning Album of the year, she announced after winning Pop album of the year, which was the 13th grammy. If she knew she was gonna win album of the year, why would she announce it with the "smaller" category and not the biggest one?
Because 13 is a special number for her.
No, Taylor Swift won album of the year for Midnights and she also won best pop vocal album of the year. She won for both categories.
Swiftie here. I think she got drunk af and did some stupid shit that was tactless. I did not think that her reaction to winning AOTY was fake, however
I do agree that announcing a new album could wait until after the Grammys
@@valeriemmilchpeople announce things at the grammies all the time but people only have a problem with that when it's taylor
@@beatricewilliams3620cus she’s a narcissist
people are obsessed with Taylor Swift and they can't stop talking about her lol. not even talking about the swifties (makes sense for them) but everyone else
I also really like Taylor and her music but she seems like she has NPD. That doesn't mean she is a bad person but she's so overly self important. I do think that people refuse to admit it because she's a performer. She's also white which plays into her privilege too. A woman of color wouldn't be treated the same if they acted this way. It's obvious why the world revolves around her.
YESSS EXACTLYYY!! THANK YOUU!! White privilege and white feminism at its finest plus majority of her fanbase being filled with white women like I'm not surprised at this point
The thing is that if she had reacted any other way she would’ve been called narcissistic as well. She genuinely can not win no matter how she reacts/“over reacts” or looks or anything
You said it seemed like an odd reaction that she won as if it’s her first time, but it was shocking that she won again. She was probably as stunned as everyone else because she broke a record. And she was up against Beyoncé and Lana, who are also really good.
She brought Lana up because not only does she respect and admire her, she was also on the album.
She did thank Celine, and was once again probably in shock that she just won for the 4th time breaking a record.
The boy genius photos are all literally assumptions. We don’t know why Julien was almost in tears. It could be that they won 3 Grammys and were moved to tears. It could also be partying too much, and emotions are high. I’m not saying Taylor isn’t overstepping, but the scrutiny is kinda ridiculous when we don’t know what the actual behind the scenes stuff is going on.
While announcing an album at the grammys isn’t the standard, she wasn’t the only who did it. But, seems to be the only who is getting heat for it. Kacey Musgraves also did it with a promo, and a link to preorder her album. She is actually getting praise for it…
The Grammys is a party as well as a work function.. She had a bit too much to drink and was put there being a bit of a tipsy mess.
She isn't a narcissist, but she is put up on this pedestal where she is expected to perform by us. Yes. The swifties. The fans. We idolise her and at the end of the day, yes she is a superstar we can't relate to, but she is human.
I’m not a swiftie, but I recently gained a greater appreciation of her music and her voice, so this is probably the closest I’ll ever get to being one. I think your assessment of this particular situation is spot on. None of us is always the best person we can be, and none of us has a life defined by one (or more) bad decisions.
i don't really understand the point of the video...
doesn't matter if it's about taylor swift or any other woman
are we hating like a man again and continuously trying to break down everything a woman does in order???
speculating on over-reacting and measure of uncomfortability of HER friend and work partner? (doesn't anybody think they have discussed it beforehand???)
not a swiftie but just sick to my core of this type of narrative
honestly, have been watching Hannah for years but this just made me so sad and disappointed
I think people are reading to much into every second and moment.
She got overwhelmed, specially at album of the year, and got carried away and went for her producers, that also won the award (album of the year goes for artist and producers) and she wanted to bring Lana because she produced the album as well.
Did she forgot to thank Celine in the moment? Yes. Does that make her evil? No. We all have moments we make mistakes and fail. She probably talked with Celine, since she shared pictures of the night, including one with Taylor.
There is a crazy double standard and scrutiny of Taylor
Example, Robert Downey Jr didn't talked and or even looked at the actor Ke Huy Quan that gave him the Oscar. No one is talking about how rude or mean he was. And he ignored him twice, one for the oscar and didn't even accept the card. Where is the pitchfork mob for that?
But you know who got one? Emma Stone, when she was overwhelmed and forgot to look and thank Michele Yeoh, so much that Michelle did a post on social media for easing the tension.
My comment is long but I also wonder how much is this also not a directed controversy to all female performers, singers or not.
Great points
She would’ve gotten so much more hate if she just left Lana alone at the table. She was just trying to help her friend feel included. Not to mention lana is featured on the album and is a cowriter for a lot of the songs. They were JOKING AROUND. Taylor didn’t mean to ignore Celine!!! She was just shocked that she won and broke a record and she was excited to announce the album. She also said at one of the japan shows she was planning on announcing it there if she didnt win an award. A lot of her fans watch the grammys so thats why she announced it there. Do you think its okay to call someone obnoxious when they’re just trying to have fun? How is its Taylor’s fault someone was overwhelmed? How is she supposed to know exactly how someone is feeling 24-7? It’s not her responsibility to make sure everyone is happy all the time. Taylor has had some instances in her career especially early on and in her 1989 era she derived a lot of her happiness and self confidence from people liking her. It’s hard to unlearn those behaviors, she talked about that in “Miss Americana.” Do your research before judging someone for no reason.
Literally not a single person would've hated her💀 creating a wholeass false scenario to defend her weird behaviors is so pathetic
Its funny how people will hate on Taylor's fans and call them crazy for looking into every detail of her posts, shows, interactions, etc., just because they're excited about figuring out what's coming next and finding hints, when they're doing the same loooking for any flaw to try and bring Taylor down.
I disagree with what you said about Taylor not being someone we can relate to becuase she's above her fans and only thinking of herself. I think just like us she makes mistakes, and just like us, it doesn’t make her any less human.
I think Lana deserved to be on stage with Taylor just like Jack Antonoff was on stage with her. Lana was a part of the album and deserves to be up there with her. From clips before the red carpet it seemed like Lana had been nervous to go to the ceremony, and I think that's why Taylor was staying close to her and checking to make sure she was ok. It just seems like her being a friend.
She said herself the next day that she didn’t know she'd win an award until it was announced, which is why she actually announced her new album when she went up for best pop vocal album and not AOTY. Her backup plan was announcing it the next day on tour in Tokyo. Her reaction seemed genuine to me to winning AOTY, especially after becoming the first person to win it 4 times.
I do think she completely forgot to thank Celine on stage, probably from being overwhelemed at winning. Also I do fully believe that she thanked her afterwards when she took the photo. Celine posted it to her Insta right after the show, and I don’t think Taylor’s team forced Celine to post the picture like you seemed to be saying. When celine came on stage, Taylor was the first person standing up and cheering.
I have no idea what happened with Boygenius, but I don’t think we should be assuming a whole scenario after just seeing a small clip of it?
You summed up everything I felt about that night perfectly. Thank you.
Your emotional intelligence is like genius level, I so admire your intellect, and like also thank you so much for this because I really needed to hear it! This was like an accountability call out for me as someone with clinical social anxiety because like, it may not be my fault, but no one's gonna fix it for me! Like, the thing about Taylor is that she uses moments that should be about authentic emotional connection with others to boost her social standing instead of connecting with BoyGenius, Celine, Lana. When I let my anxious thoughts turn every moment every day into a performance with all this obsessive thinking, I miss out on connecting with others. What a loss - and then you start to miss out on your life itself! We only have one, after all.
I feel like Taylor really is genuinely surprised every time she wins an award, not because she feels that she herself doesn’t deserve it, but because she appreciates the other nominees. It’s less, “oh, little old me won an award?” and more, “wait, you like my thing better than theirs? Are you sure? Because theirs is amazing.” When Midnights won, I think she brought Lana up because she felt that Lana deserved praise that she realistically wouldn’t have gotten otherwise (and yes, she might have missed/misread Lana’s body language, but I don’t think that it was ill-intentioned).
I also get the vibe that she really wasn’t planning to announce TTPD at the Grammys. I personally feel like she planned the announcement for her next Eras show, but then decided offhandedly, “well, if I win, I’ll do it at the Grammys instead.” The announcement as it happened seemed very unpolished, like she hadn’t put much thought into what she was going to say onstage, which lends itself to the theory that she hadn’t expected to win in the first place. That, in turn, might explain her behavior toward Celine Dion; she was so focused on scrambling to figure out what she was going to say that she didn’t even register how she was accepting the award or who she was accepting it from.
Taylor won two awards that night, she announced the album on the first award (pop album of the year), and Celine was on the second award, where Taylor won Album Of The Year for the fourth time. The first artist ever to win 4 AOTYs. She legitimately didn't expect to win it (which I think is very clear on her reaction, don't know how her reaction could look staged - she was just a bit drunk). I mean... Midnights wasn't her best album and Taylor is extremely self critical and listens to the critic opinion and to her fans opinions. Those were not gentle with her - most of them said the album was bad/disappointing, and this probably made her be sure that she would not receive it (also, on the year she won Folklore, everyone was surprised because nobody thought the Grammys would give her a third AOTY, even though it was deserving). I also saw many people saying midnights didn't deserve album of the year (swifties), so I'm really sure she was legitimately very surprised and confused (probably honored too) because she was making history right there.
I think it's also clear on her acceptance speech that she really was not expecting it (I mean, bringing Lana on stage and praising her gives me the vibe she was implying Lana should've won, and, if you watch the video, Lana wasn't being dragged, she was just trying not to step on her dress).
Oh stop.
funny how u say decline but yet she just ended 6 sold-out shows in Singapore , pre sale for her new album (TTPD)has already broken records , she still remains the most streamed artist on spotify global top artist even with new releases from other artists, her eras tour documentary is coming on streaming, so u better realize that few american tiktoks portraying her on bad light wont deteriorate her status as the supreme artist, cause taylor music is not only restricted to US only it has become global with a global fan base
Swift's treatment of Celine Dion was completely rude. Even 5 year olds know to thank someone when they receive something. Swift didn't even look at Celine, who happens to be a seriously ill person. Don't excuse this rudeness. Has anyone seen Paul McCartney or Stevie Wonder behave this way?
She hugged and spoke to her backstage
@@caitlint2223Sorry That’s not good enough!!!🇨🇦
@@shelleybigham133 uh yes it is, yall are acting like she completely ignored her and she didn’t, case closed
@@caitlint2223she should’ve said something on stage yk
i’m a swiftie so i may be a bit biased, but i think her shock was authentic. she is the first *ever* artist to win album of the year 4 times. and she said on the eras tour (in tokyo) after the announcement of TTPD, she said that if she didn’t win, she was going to announce the album that night at the eras tour , so she wasn’t being self centered, like she knew she was going to win, she was obviously hoping to win, but had another option. (but i’m not going to back her up fully, brining lana on stage was not a good idea, and she was probably wrapped up in her win at that moment)
EDIT: before anyone says anything, i’m not saying hanna is wrong! i agree with most things that hanna had said! also like i said im a HUGE swifte, so im also probably biased!
Ok so you're saying that she planned exactly what she was gonna do either way. So either way, living in third person. This Tokyo story changes nothing
@@nicanproud now that i realize it yea kinda, but i still do think her shock was authentic.
She explained and we believed! It just seemed her trying to cover up, or fill the gaps
@@shradhachawan4569 you can have your own opinion, but person don’t think she would do that.
Idk about the things you say. Maybe you're a narcissist.
As the opposite of a Swiftie, I completely agree with you except for maybe the reaction bit. I think she was just shocked. Also the Lana situation probably had good intentions but a bad execution. Not to mention Tayler completely ignoring her on stage after bothering to get her up there. The CD thing I think was her just caught up in the moment. I didn’t like that she announced the album. Her entire speech in fact wasn’t great. It very much gave the vibe “Thank You, Next”. Especially compared to Mileys speech that basically said that the (first) award was just a cherry on top of the already big Sundae that is her life and career. There’s a reason why everyone reacted weirdly. The event is about all music and all artists and she made it about herself. There’s a time and a place and that wasn’t it. It’s like she doesn’t realize that everyone she meets or encounters isn’t going to be a fan of hers. She’s so used to being blindly worshiped that it effects how she acts in events like this. She’s a great business woman and had to know that doing that will make all the Grammy stories/attention all about her.
I like what you did at the end that her fans can’t pretend that she is one of them. She literally has all the privilege one could benefit from (except her gender) in our society, and she was always very wealthy. She is the definition of not above criticism. And people can still be a fan of hers while still holding her to a more realistic level. I do that with celebrities I’m a fan of. It makes us better fans as we can respect them but also call them out on their bullshit.
Ok rant over. Remember: just MY opinion.
I mean... Have you really seen it? When Lana was on the stage Taylor asked them to come closer to her - Lana didn't want it. And even though Lana was on the back, half of Taylor's speech was talking about Lana. What do you mean "ignored" her???
(Also, Lana said she wasn't brothered and if you watch closely, you'll see Lana wasn't being dragged, she was just being cautious about not stepping on the dresses.
I think Taylor's speech was the way it was because she truly was bot expecting it. Midnights was received with lots of negative criticism, and Taylor has had albulms that received better criticism but still didn't get a Grammy (also, I think the "thank you, next" speech you mean was the one where she won pop album of the year - when she announced the album -, not aoty, where she had Lana and Celine on stage, which definitely makes a difference)
I assumed it was because Lana del Rey cowrote and sang a song on the winning album. That said, this feels like an Anne Hathaway moment. Everyone turned on Hathaway after she won for Les Miserables I think it was..? because she was putting on a performance to cover up the stuff she was actually going through. I don't know Taylor's life or what she's going through, but this public behavior was unusual for her.
Taylor and Travis give me more cringe than MGK and Megan Fox. They are the cringiest couple of this year.
Shes a 34 year old cosplaying as a 15 year old
People have been on a very anti Taylor Swift bandwagon at the moment.
Has she done some stupid/silly stuff? Yes
Will it stop me listening to her music? No
First of all. Taylor announced TTPD when she won her first award that night, for best pop vocal album and that was her 13 Grammy. That's a big difference. If she knew she's gonna win AoTY she would wait. Reaction you show is for AoTY win, at the end of the night. I follow this woman for 13 years now. And know when she is faking exitment. That's not it. She was truly shocked, and truly drunk. I'm not some crazy Swiftie who sees her as a flawless queen. I know she's not perfect, I know she is strategic, I know she can be dorky. And I know she, sometimes, overreacts. But here,she is shocked. That's not normal TS behavior. 😂❤ I think she was caught off guard, that's why this whole thing is so chaotic.
Thank you!
I love Hannah, but this video is just.... Wrong. I couldn't even finish it because she put the two awards/wins together somehow and made literal mistakes. Saying what you think about something that didn't happen as you described it is wrong (in the sense you can't have an opinion/clear mind about something you have a different idea of what actually happened).
Taylor definitely was surprised. I don't even understand how people thought that was not surprise but a fake reaction.
Taylor's "THING" or Gimmick if you will, has always been to fain how much love/appreciation she gets from fans... if you watch a lot of her concerts - when she first comes out she does that exact same thing like "WHO ME?! You're here to see ME?!" and I used to hate it but now it's kind of campy and I enjoy it haha.. I think also she genuinely might have been shocked because it wasn't her best album. Maybe a combo of the two?
I think there's a reason Taylor so successful, why waste thousands of dollars promoting an album when you can do it for free at the Grammys.
Taylor needs to take a decade long break. She is too much. She doesn’t care about anyone but herself. Not everyone lives in a world where they want to have Taylor being the sun.
right? i do not think she is physically capable of understanding that some people aren't fans,and don't want to be no matter how much she shoves herself in their faces
Idk, your take on this is pretty interesting, but I feel like Taylor was trying to prove her public image that night.
She wanted to hang out with Lana not because of public attention, but simply because she feels Lana is a cool person and she wants to hang out with her. Taylor invited Lana on the stage based on her assumption that Lana wanted to go up stage, and I feel like it was thoughtful of her to do that.
She ignored Celine, I think she was just caught up in the moment, where she didn’t really notice her. It’s literally because she won and broke a record, anyone would be shocked too. I personally don’t blame her for this, just pretty pissed that all people notice is the fact that she ignored Celine once. All the other times I have never seen Taylor ignore someone on stage, and I don’t see any praise for that🤷♀️
Personally I think she was pretty drunk that night. It just bothers me that people only notice Taylor for these kind of things. Just because Taylor did well for every other award show means the standard is super high, and any wrong move would cause her rep to crumble. Idk, it just feels like the actions she did tonight were because she was desperate to prove she was not the bitchy person haters expect her to be, and stress causes people to slip up. I just feel really bad for her that she has to endure all this hate on her I guess.
okay respectfully i also think we should acknowledge the prescence of alcohol on that night also 😂
I think it makes sense that she is performing for an invisible audience since let's be real no matter what she does people will jump on it so it's understandable she is trying to put on a show that will give her less hate and etc. Which is really sad on a lot of levels and applies to a lot of celebrities.
From the clips her reaction yeah looks really cringey, but also what's the appropriate reaction when you are 95% sure that you will win a grammy and it's your 13th. Maybe she should try to step back from the spotlight a bit or we should just care about celebrities a lot less in general, but not like that's fully possible cause our society is fucked
I literally just think she was drunk, like I think this video is nit picking
I’ve met Taylor at a secret session and she came across so humble and her emotional intelligence was clearly incredible. Treated everyone with respect so I hate it when the media say she’s a narcissist or even “evil”. She doesn’t feel like a billionaire when in conversation.
However I did notice as we were under contracts she acted more “natural” and unfiltered than she does at award shows etc. she swore occasionally, name dropped etc. I think she is just scared of getting cancelled due to everyone nip picking at her every move.
1) at the Grammys in another angle she says thank you to celine twice (once before and once after)
2) Lana commented on Instagram basically shutting down the rumors that she was upset. Imagine the hate if Taylor and her team stood on that stage and left Lana sat all alone. Bearing in mind she literally was on the album. Then Taylor even proceeded to make half of her speech about her ❤
3) She literally can’t breathe anymore without getting criticised recently half of TikTok were hating on her for coughing at a concert like what 😭😭 no wonder she spends her time planning everything out.
That’s so exciting! Which secret session did you go to? Also yeah Lana literally worked on the album
Literally if she didn’t bring Lana people would be mad to she can’t win 😭
Narcissists are incredibly charismatic, especially during fan events.
@@girlbrains163 now you’re self diagnosing a celebrity do you see how insane that is. Please go through some therapy for yourself
My Nex is very quiet and seems humble. He's a respected Feminist for more than half his life. Uses his activism to lure women in and abuse them.
I agree but I still think you don't know everything, Lana was a co writer in some songs and a producer and has a feature in there too if she didn't brought her up people would criticize her , and Taylor's reaction imo was pretty authentic not only because it's her forth time winning aoty and the only artist to do so but also because you can't imagine the amount of people saying that she wasn't going to win, and about Celine actually everyone was told not to touch her at all she has stiff person syndrome it's a rare, chronic neurological disorder that causes muscle stiffness and sometimes intense spasms, and about her announcing ttpd she said in Tokyo if she didn't win she was going to announce it in there ,but about boygenius I can't defend her actually I didn't like that too.
You've got your facts mixed up/wrong. This video is cringe.
She announced TTPD when she won best Pop Album, which she probably could have been fairly confident she would win and therefore could have a plan to announce the album beforehand (even though she said in tokyo if she hadn't won anything she would have announced it there.
The reaction you show is her winning album of the year which was definitely not a given at all and her surprised reaction was justified. many people though that SZA had a very good chance of taking it instead. she had just lost song and record of the year, categories she was also favored in. and she had just broken the record to become the only person to win 4 AOTY awards. all of those are reasons for her extreme reaction of surprise.
i can’t do this. if taylor would’ve reacted any other way it still would’ve have been used against her. imagine if she made lana sit at the table by herself after losing and just watching her accept it? hello.
i don't think anybody would have said anything if that happened
@@liliphdr no people were already mad she didn’t bring her up when she won pop vocal album. I was online I saw it 😭
@@liliphdr Lana was a part of Midnights, so Lana also won. The internet would not let it die.
@carolinamansur113 yeah you're right, i didn't even realize it when I wrote my comment, so I agree! People would have hated on Taylor if she let's Lana stay at the table alone
@@liliphdr at least you acknowledge it. So many people on the internet are unable to say "sorry, I was wrong" or anything like that.
Refreshing to see someone just straight up accepting, thank you for making my day a bit better
Hi! Swiftie here, so I'm not objective at all xD but I completly agree with you: public scrutiny can make anybody "less human". Must be weird and exhausting and, for a person like her whose brand built up on the "relatable girl", the transition was never easy. I don't think her reaction was acted (she has a history in that matter xD, and even some swifties thought she wasn't gonna win the AOTY), instead I think she's quirkie and weird and, as a fellow, I relate to that xD. The truth is we will never know. Maybe Taylor already apologised with Lana and the girls form Boy Genius, maybe she didn't need to, so... we can keep listening to her music and be happy xD
I don’t blame her for how she reacted if anyone had the whole world watching them they better be living life in the 3rd person with everything planned or you would be cancelled in 0.3 seconds, and I also think she was a little drunk that night too.
Oh, she was definitely drunk.
But also, definitely surprised when she won aoty.
But, yeah, most of the times, she needs to plan ahead like that or else she might be cancelled.
Coming back to this video after spending the whole day listening to her newest album. I completely agreed with everything you said when you first posted your video but I’m now thinking that maybe the reason everything looked so “off” is simply because she has truly been acting her heart out (see I Can Do It With a Broken Heart). She was indeed out of touch, but perhaps simply because she’s still overcompensating to hide a broken heart, and as a result resonated oddly and non-genuinely for us.
Just my unsolicited chaotic thoughts 😅
I'm totally with you on that. Taylor (and her Team) is an extreeeeme genius. Unfortunately, because of that, everything is planned and calculated and little is left to chance. It makes a lot of things seem stiff and not genuine. At the same time, she is somehow down to earth but also far removed from reality. I like Taylor a lot, but I'm glad not to have rose-colored glasses on, not to put her on a pedestal, to see things critically and to question things.
Agree!
The only thing about the night that seemed like a bit much was announcing the album at the Grammys. It took a lot of the buzz away from any other artists moments that night, which is kind of disappointing. All the other things are just reading way too much into people's expressions and a poorly handled but genuinely surprised reaction. Taylor was going to get critiqued if she won no matter how she acted, just because of how under the gun she's been this year and how many really strong contenders also deserved it. I'm a big Swiftie but was still hoping someone else might win since it would mean more for their career.
I feel like you give so much grace to singers for individual performances and how they might be feeling on a specific day, it would be nice to take the same lens for how Taylor acted during this very crazy day.
Celine and Taylor had already hugged and talked back stage but the audience wasn’t aware of this. I would have acknowledged Celine a second time on stage!
Taylor is so fake
Taylor is a very A-list celebrity, so she is going to be put under fire no matter what she does. I do agree that a lot of the things she did at the Grammy's were quite tasteless and inconsiderate of those around her/the prestigiousness of the event, but even the most minor things that she does or says is going to be twisted and over exaggerated. Her dragging Lana on stage does look inconsiderate, but she would've been scrutinized if she left Lana at the table alone. Lana was a part of Midnights having sung on and written Snow On The Beach, so it makes sense for Taylor to want her to be on stage for the win. Loved this video, thanks for creating a space for people to safely share their interpretations and opinions.
Note** I also super agree that anouncing TTPD was extremely tacky and tasteless. It would've been recieved way better if it was announced night 1 in Tokyo.
Hannah, Lana is on the album. Im sorry i cant with this take. She always look like this.
I fell like with Taylor Swift's fame, it's inevitable that she would living completely different lives from the average person. And I fell bad to know that she feels like she has to plan this sort of thing to be seen well by the public. I have empathy for her, but that is just as important as giving her constructive criticism.
I agree with everything youve said as a swiftie, but i personally do think her reaction was real. Midnights was an amazing album but its only purpose was to introduce the eras tour. I dont think she ever considered it to be a grammy winning album.
My opinion is that I hate, HATE how idolized musicians and other celebrities are. Let people do what they love to do and celebrate their success if you like what they create, and of course they should be allowed to make a living off of it that makes up for the sacrifices they make to endure the spotlight. Idolizing? No thanks. It allows for unnecessary over promotion and monetization of oneself in Taylor's case. Watching my little cousin stare at a screen with cortisol pumping through her as she tried to buy the limited edition version of the new album was hard to watch and made me feel gross about this particular fanbase. Especially now having seen there's been multiple limited edition albums released of the same record. Taylor is a BILLIONAIRE. She does not need to prey on her fans who don't know any better yet and who likely can't afford hundreds of dollars for one album. I can appreciate how being in the spotlight puts a lot of pressure on a person, and they don't get to choose as it comes with success which can be unpredictable, however it IS a choice to go so far beyond performing and creating music because you love it where you turn it into a calculated business opportunity at every turn. I don't care about Taylor, nor do I wish her any ill will, I care about what she's doing to the industry, which is dominating through clever business practices and contributing to the normalization of this way of being an artist. It creates even more challenges for new artists coming into the scene who make better music than everyone at the Grammys in the first place. I know she isn't the first or only person to do this by any means, she's one of many, she's just the topic of this video and one of the bigger names out there right now. End rant lol.
Girl u made me cry bc ur so right. I LOVE Taylor, but i really want her to retire. She deserve everything she has, but how the famous life and the media is treating her it's no good for her health. I want her to have a happy life with her boyfriend, her cats, her familly, being happy without being worry about how is she going to be in the next media appearance. All i know she's a good person and she would be a great mother and be capable to live a happy life without us 🤍
Taylor pulled Lana on stage before Lana also worked on album
Well said! You have such a way with words and I can listen to you all day. ❤
I love you Hannah, and I really loved the second half of your video, your overall conclusions and perspective on celebrity and how we need to see the nuance and I completely agree! The idolisation of celebrities and the black/white lense is insane. That said I also think the judgement of celebrities is what brings us there... the way we analyse every single movement or expression for a double meaning or how they might actually be feeling when I think that's the part where we can say *they're human*, they aren't perfect and they're overstimulated and overwhelmed and of course trying to "act"(word used lightly) a certain way in front of the public, just like any of us would at a function.
That said... the points you started with just invalidated a lot of the assertions you made for me, the fact that you started off with saying her reaction was inauthentic/rehearsed, referring to the wrong award won, and the planned aspect which are 100% inaccurate kind of made this a let down video for me. I do think a discussion about Taylor's public persona and her as a businesswoman, how much is authentic vs carefully curated is an interesting valid one to have, but not without accurate basis. I usually love your videos, I love how open and authentic you are, as well as your takes... but this felt really judgemental and rude with misinformation to back it up which felt less like an opinion piece ramble and just... misinformed. Bringing up narcissism and making this many judgements based on one incident just feels unlike the Hannah I know, I'm sorry.
1. She didn't plan for winning, her plan was to announce at Tokyo if she didn't, she stated as much during her tokyo show the next day(she caught her flight the night of the grammys) - and maybe that would've been more tactful rather than in a room of her peers I do agree... but she didn't *know* she was going to win at the grammys.
2. Lana is one of Taylor's close friends, who herself has cleared up going onstage was good.
3. Taylor was definitely shocked to be the first 4-time AOTY winner, if you find it cringy that's fine, but claiming it was definitely rehearsed is just.. it's comically the same thing she's been criticised for since the start of her career, and hated on, and it feels tired. She's for sure cringy and dramatic and overreacts but... it's not fake it's just her face.
4. She clearly spoke with and thanked Celine backstage, those images are damage control but they also prove that, and she's not the first celeb to fumble like that onstage.
5. I'm not going to pretend I know boygenius, I do know what it's like to be an anxious overstimulated neurodivergent person with a more outgoing friend, but I do know that Taylor is very close with boygenius and I'm sure everything was ok there, and I think people are projecting and over reading into it.
6. Returning to point 1, she is in a room of her peers, I think to some degree announcing a new musical project isn't that strange, maybe not tactful or the right choice for a YAY reaction, but while I think it's the most valid criticism she's received I can see why she may have overlooked it being weird.
She is a typical narcissist. It’s so obvious that I find it amazing how some people don’t see it.
Listen to blank space and you’ll realize that it’s not exactly a “character” just her narcissism talking lol
She is nowhere NEAR a narcissist
@@caitlint2223she absolutely is. There are 4 types of narcs. I can’t recall them at the moment. Some are worse than others like Amber Heard and Meghan Markle. Taylor isn’t that level but she absolutely is one. HG Tudor did a video on her. I’m a fan of her music and liked her back in the day as a person but through the years something began to bug me and when the Katy Perry stuff happened and other run ins happened like Kanye (I’m not even getting into that. Do your own research, I did a deep dive on my own as a curious fan but not swiftie and def not a Kim and Kanye fan but Kim did not illegally record her, Kanye video recorded himself. The whole video is here on TH-cam of their call start to finish. Look it up as well as the 2 different stories Taylor’s people released pre and post video clip release (that video also wasn’t edited for anything other than time) . it’s all out there.) But yes Taylor is 100% a narcissist. One of her traits is feeding on praise and attention. Another trait is having a perfectly curated persona and also a need to control the narrative around them. FYI “Narcissist” doesn’t necessarily mean bad person lol maybe just quicker to turn on you, make themselves the victim, gaslight and use you to their own advantage. Like they can be problematic but not necessarily setting out to do people harm. It’s just their personality traits. It’s said she is well aware of it and that’s how she hides it. But if you pay attention and just look at things objectively you’ll see it. Again not saying she’s a bad person.
@@caitlint2223they’re two main types of narcissists, the overt narcissist (think Megan Markle or Amber Heard), and the covert narcissist (Taylor Swift)
Shove over Tay. Let someone else win!!!
I love your take on this.
She's DRAMATIC about EVERYTHING!! Extremely immature, fake, little social sense...the whole Lana and Celine Dion situation were extremely cringworthy. It's ALL about Taylor- even her altuism is to get attention and she KNOWS it! Lol
I think you pinpointed my frustration about Taylor Swift at the Grammys-with her interactions with Celine Dion, Jack Antonoff, and bourgeois-with her lack of awareness of those around her. More than that, she didn’t let them show them the respect that, I would assume, she would have demanded from them. If Swift was of Celine’s stature as a staple of music history and had been virtually ignored, there would have felt like an affront. When Jack Antonoff was being highlighted for his Grammy for Produce of the Year, she was literally physically manhandling him, shaking him and giving him noogies. And then, with boygenius, this is their first (and last since their project is done) awards: let them have their moment without treating it like a joke.
Swiftie here: I really like your point of not being completely black and white in how we view celebrities. I don't think her reaction was rehearsed but I do agree that she was quite insensitive to Lana, Celine and Boy George. And I hadn't seen before but now you've explained it, I totally see how announcing her new album at the Grammy's was really not great.
I mean Beyoncé did the same thing at the Super Bowl and no one cared
@@evannaperry9275 Is the Superbowl the Grammys?
@@EternityxForever it’s still an important event that’s not about Beyoncé. You can’t hold the standard for Taylor and not Beyoncé
@@evannaperry9275 But her point wasn't about whether the event was important or not, but about time & place. If Beyonce announced her upcoming album during her half time performance that would be one thing, kinda similar to what Taylor did. But she took out an ad which cost millions (even if Verizon paid for it idk) and mentioned it there briefly at the end...just like any other company, business, artist, movie trailer etc. did or could have done if they wanted during the game. Plus, it's a sporting event, there's no rules or decorum for what can and can't be in a commercial that an entity pays for with its own $$. Some ppl only watch the game for the funny, crazy, epic commercials, they don't even care about football. However, Taylor did it live on stage (not prior to the event or shortly afterwards) taking a moment in front of her peers and industry colleagues at a prestigious ceremony to announce her new album...not in front of her dedicated excited fans (though some were likely watching on tv). Which was Hannah's point about how inappropriate it was. Notice, no one else at the Grammys was shown to take their moment of shine while accepting an award to do the same, and it's not something most artists have a history of doing at the Grammys either to set a precedent of sharing upcoming albums or music drops. At the end of the day, her and Beyonce's situations are completely different. Even if Taylor had taken out an ad/commercial DURING the Grammys to announce her album (like Beyonce did for the Superbowl) would have been fine, but not live at the "work event/function" to use it as free promotion as if the others there present at the ceremony were there for her, and not to (hypothetically) celebrate music, artists, and the industry in general.
@@evannaperry9275 That's not the point. It's about time & place. Beyonce (or Verizon) paid to take out an ad during a sporting event. Taylor announced it live on stage at essentially a work function in front of peers and industry colleagues, using the Grammys as pretty much free promotion. Other artists don't do that at the event for a reason. The two situations are not the same in any way. If Beyonce did the same thing live during either one of her two Superbowl halftime performances, I'd see your point. Or, on the other hand, if Taylor had a commercial during the Grammys announcing her upcoming album, then I'd see your point. But it's completely different no matter how you look at it based on the type of event plus the avenue & moment chosen to make the announcements.
I just can’t with her being a billionaire now, and taking 28 mile flights. She’s a brand now.
And making her fans pay so much for tickets
Anddddd the marketing strategy lands just perfectly 😂
As a swiftie i don't personally see anything other than an annoying drunk (as in, she gets a little tipsy and she loosens up and loses the self-control she normally has over every little thing she does). Obviously she's not an angel, and she SHOULD be criticised for other things, but the whole Grammys discussion is just... booooriiiiiiing. I respect your opinion tho!
I debated writing this comment because this video was posted 8 months ago but whatever. A few things you got wrong. 1. Lana del Rey was a producer on midnights which is why Taylor had her come up when she won AOTY. 2. Taylor did thank Celine Dion you can look up videos of her doing so. 3. Everyone makes announcements at award shows why do people only have a problem when Taylor does it? She said if she didn’t win AOTY she would’ve announced it in tokyo.
About Taylor’s life constantly being about her/her career and everything being in third person. While we do me of us personally know her or any celebrity for that matter. If you watch her Miss Americana (her Netflix documentary). She mentions several times that she’s come to realize her career having people cheer for her is not the most important thing in life. It’s obvious that if nothing else she is very self aware and realizes that her life isn’t normal. People who’ve met her both famous and normal people have said that she doesn’t realize she’s Taylor swift or act like it.
Yes. Yes she is.
Soon the end?
1°) Taylor Swift had said she would do music up to 2089... But I wonder if she's not aiming to stop after her 13th album. Personally, I think she should process this way.
2°) 13 albums is already something. So that would take up to her 40s if she releases an album every 2 year, so her 12th in 2026 (36 years old), and her 13th around 2028 (38 years old) + tours and others (...) up to 2030 (40s).
3°) She could convert to many other fields, like marketing as she had said she would have worked in that field if she hadn't become a singer. She could convert to Politics, but she should be cautious. Indeed, she has had an effect with her Eras Tour, but as an artist that mostly deal about love and breakups... Singing about teenage-like breakups at her 50s and 60s will have make her lose credibility to the ones that follow her.
4°) If she has ideas and opinions she has expected the time to share, she should feel free to share some of them from around the end of her career if she plans to stop after her 13th album.
5°) She could also work as an artist coach, waiting to get involved more in Politics in her 50s maybe (?).
6°) The way they plan things for her has made me thinking for a time now.
SIDE NOTE: when you talk about "celebrities have different lives than us" I'm always shocked/reminded because in my mind you ARE hahah!
There are 4 types of narcissists. *FYI Being a narcissist isn’t just being a mean girl and on the flip side…. deciding when someone acts poorly that “oh they didn’t mean to do that so no they aren’t a narcissist” isn’t accurately diagnosing someone as NOT being a narc* . This is a word that gets thrown around and attached to someone basically just because someone is rude or seems pretentious and it’s incorrect for a couple of reasons.
None of the 4 types of narcs are great but Taylor isn’t the super bad one like Amber Heard and Meghan Markle which is what people think of when you hear the word narcissist. But she absolutely is one. You have to look at their personality traits, look at past behavior and how they present themselves amongst other things. HG Tudor did a deep dive on it and it was really interesting but swifties should avoid it because he doesn’t give AF about sugar coating things he tells the good the bad all of it.
But being a narcissist doesn’t mean you are automatically a bad person. She can be a narcissist and still be a good person, have friends, be likable but those traits are there that are problematic too that people close to her just have to look out for.
You should react to Lana del Rey! She is amazing
I don’t think she expected to win, BUT I felt like it wasn’t the place to announce the album, she really likes to draw attention towards her
Hannah, I love you, but I stopped watching 3 minutes in because of the inaccuracies. She announced the album when she won pop album of the year (her 13th grammy) not AOTY. She said if she didn't win a grammy she was gonna announce it in Tokyo. Sure, I did think bringing up Lana was cringy, and I don't agree with everything Taylor does. But If you want to criticize her, which is your right, I just want you to make sure you get the facts of the situation right.
I’ve never been this early! Hey Hannah!!!!
Hope you do a video on “I’m just Ken” from the Oscars
Lana is finally finally gaining the traction and recognition and solid fan base she deserves so Taylor is 100% sticking to her side. She’s done this with a few artists as they are at their height of popularity or nearing their break like Ed Sherran (though I do know she helped discover him but they were thick as thieves when he was hot. Now we don’t really see them. Shawn Mendes, now Ice Spice, and Sabrina Carpenter, she did this with Olivia Rodrigo Selena Gomez (though people say their bffs it’s kinda like we never see them together really? We see her with Blake way more. It’s always seemed like a weird friendship to me) it feels like a keep your enemies closer kinda thing. Not enemies but more… competition. But yes she is strategic with who she is bff’s with and photographed with and as Lana is finally getting the attention she deserves and is a musical genius Taylor will be right there. But we will see she will move on to someone else soon as soon as Lana levels out a bit in popularity.
Girl… Taylor have talked abt this several times abt how people always get mad at her for “overreacting” when she wins an award. She’s always been like this, it just makes her excited, nothing wrong that 💀
Yes facade off, no true awareness of other or impact of her nasty lyrics on her ex’s 💚
I’m a swifite but I try to still look at Taylor’s behavior objectively(as everyone should). I mean, in my opinion, I don’t think any of it was a big deal at all. Sure, she acted a little weird and tactless but it wasn’t anything that bad, she was just slightly rude at one event, she was probably thinking about a lot. She is definitely self centered, how could you not be when the entire world cares about everything you do? I don’t think that makes her a bad person tho. And the whole Lana thing… it was a little awkward but people seem to forget that Lana was a feature on the album, that’s why she was brought up. It wasn’t a pity “oh you didn’t win, come with me so you can have a moment on stage” it was more of a “oh you helped on the album, you deserve to be up there for your contributions”. It was still awkward, I admit. Overall, it was a little weird, she’s a little self centered, but she’s not a bad person. I totally agree with your point of her being on a totally different level then most other people, that level of fame has a massive affect on people’s behavior and mindset
Yay new daddy Hannah video ! Never clicked so fast💜💜💜💜💜
no i do not agree on the lana thing. taylor did that in order to try and recognise lana. lets not forget! lana worked on midnights!!! stop trying to pin point taylor as a bad person all the time. shes successfull shes goig far in life. try not to be jealous, its pathetic
It's pathetic what you're doing. Is Tatlot Swift beyond criticism, really? You worship the ground ahw walks on and she doesn't even know you. It's gross.
@@bellajones12345 am i not allowed to have an opinion...
@georgiadavies4106 You probably should ve stopped on your opinion. When you started to say 'stop trying to..." Now that's no longer an opinion isn't it? That's telling people what to do, plain and simple. But not that you care. You think Taylor Swift is infallible which is foolish.
@@bellajones12345 oh dear you are obviously incredibly confused! i was explaining that my opinion on the matter is that taylor did not bring lana up with ill intent. i also explained my opinion of frustration because i am sick and tired of people, women in particular being pin pointed as bad people. i'm over it! if my opinion was really invalid as you say it to be why bother replying, once again its my opinion. i also did not say that i think that taylor is infallible but i do not think that in this instance she was in the wrong. again, my opinion. please get a life and get back to me when you can a) appreciate talented people in this world and b) allow others to exist without imploding, its pathetic.
this isn’t relevant anymore because it was from months ago but i’ve just seen it and wanna just throw my opinion into the abyss. i think it’s a little weird that people create these video essays and think pieces about taylor looking at every move she makes. it’s feels odd. they don’t do it with anyone else. i think the majority of taylor’s reactions to winning awards are uncomfortable in recent years. not because she knew she would win but because for years people have ridiculed her for her ‘fake surprised face’. all she’s gonna be thinking is about all the people watching her every move, like you are, and how to try and appear as natural as possible, which obviously is not going to look the most natural. taylor had all good intentions of being lana up i think. they’re literally friends. lana was literally a collaborator on the album. she invited her collaborators on the stage with her. i feel like it’s weird so see a video of taylor fixing lana’s hair on the red carpet and jump straight to “taylor’s acting like lana’s tour guide as if lana doesn’t know what she’s doing. what a jump! instantly made me aware that you’re looking at every situation with a negative bias and that’s why i don’t think this video is a constructive one.
I might end up regretting this, let me preface is by stating that I am not a Taylor hater or supporter. I find her to be a little bland but I think her music is enjoyable to an extent. As someone who has worked with a vulnerable aka covert narcissist for roughly 4 years in a band; she exhibits some of the same red flags and questionable behaviors. The argument can be made that she could be a narcissist. I’m not out right calling her one in any means however, there is probability that she could be one. The main thing that comes to mind for me is how she seems to support causes when it helps her narrative and the socials issues that people claim she should be supporting she is always hesitant because it could mess with her image(communal narc behavior). Any time there seems to be general criticism towards her perceived as negative, the army of triangulated swifties (not every swiftly acts like this) come rushing in to her aid and do her bidding. Lastly, what I find to be the most alarming, is her response to people posting public information about her flight logs. It can be argued posting stuff like that seems hella petty, Taylor’s response was extremely crass and a little uncalled for. Once again this highlights her fear of her public image being tarnished over something seemingly minuscule. Or lastly she could just be really good at selling the image and handle all her emotional struggles out of the limelight. The only people who would truly know are those in her close circle.
It was mean to Lana. And so rude to celine. End of story. Why do people project something onto her that is not there 💚
I felt like she was making lLana out to be her emotional support animal.
Calling Taylor “obnoxious” in a photo where it’s clear that in one of them phoebe is smiling and laughing and kissing Julian and jack is laughing and waving to be FUNNY and Lucy is also laughing and smiling is just so rude. Like they’re all having a good time INCLUDING TAYLOR and then just calling her obnoxious and annoying for having a good time and taking a silly photo is truly disgusting. I love you and your content Hannah but this is just sad to watch
You’re blaming EVERYTHING on Taylor for that photo session meanwhile, she’s not a photographer, there are 5 total people in the picture, like please calm down. This goes for all the other things you complained about
I rarely comment on videos and I have loved most of your videos Hannah but I'm so disappointed in this video I had to say something. I'm a Swiftie but honestly this isn't about what you said about Taylor, it's the fact that you made a list of all the mistakes another woman made and then made commentary on it. Taylor may be a lot of things but she's still a person and a woman and this video gave me the ick
Yes.
And it's also factually wrong. She put aoty moments together with Taylor announcing TTPD, which were not close at all.
You can't have an actual opinion about something that you misheard/misconstructed. Your opinion becomes something else. An opinion of an hypothetical situation.
The whole point of the video is to analyze (not criticize) Swift's actions that night. Hannah actually did a very graceful job at making sure no one believed that she was attacking Swift. She made herself very clear that she does not think Swift is a narcissist or inherently evil person. You clicked on this video having read the title, and are still disappointed in the video's contents. If you didn't want commentary on Swift's moral fiber, I sincerely don't understand why you would choose to watch this video. Taylor made some objectively bad choices, such as dragging a very clearly uncomfortable La Del Ray up on stage and essentially ignoring Celine Dion (two of the hugest names in her industry). I'm not saying that Swift is a bad person or even a narcissist, necessarily. I'm just saying she behaved somewhat poorly. I'm still a fan!
@@jacobmackinnon2895 I clicked on this video as a fan of Hannah and Taylor because I thought Hannah was using the title as click bait and was going to come at it with the grace she usually comes at things with and was sad and disappointed by what I found. This was not a movie or song analysis this was analysis of a woman who made history just living her life. It just feels icky to me that this human person is getting their behaviour analyzed for entertainment. Like I said it's not about what Taylor did it's about how this video and others like it exist.
ok, but apart from all the controversy, I'm here to please ask you to react to boygenius' songs, you'll freaking LOVE them, especially because of their harmonies and lyrics, they make me cry 🥹
Such an intelligent take !
I dont agree about the reaction.... No one was expecting her to take home that grammy and as everyone says that one was not when she announced the album. If she knew she was going to win she would annonced it at the bigger win. About the lana thing who are we to say we dont know her IRL. Maybe they discussed prior. 🤷
i mean criticize but this was pure speculation
In the moment of this whole event, I never even noticed anything more than her shock in winning and the speech leading to the album announcement. Seeing every incident broken down like this really opened my eyes and I think I agree with everything said. As much as Taylor is relatable, there’s clearly calculated moves at play too, and this whole moment in time showcased that
I love Taylor 💖 but I am convinced she’s a covert narcissist!! She’s Blair Waldorf, Chanel Oberlin ( from Scream Queens) and Regina Gearge combined!! 😂 However, these are some fascinating characters, people love them for a reason!!