Tip: Dont turn off your mirco-warpdrive if your orbit gets to wide for your turrets or your tracking isnt quite fast enough. Instead use the speed meter in the central hud to limit your speed to, say 2/3 or so. Simply click in the speed window, and use the "+" symbol to the right of it to set your speed back to full. In most cases this is enough to get full damage. After some time you will find sweetspots for your fit. Even at most BS like Karen keep it running , because of slow missiles(or whatever they are), they do hurt if they catch you. And "Keep Range" works wonders at initial engagement to keep pestering tackler at bay. But you have to pay attention to your transversal to the bigger ships when using it.
Very good advice! The only reason I don't mention it is the nuance. There comes a point where if you slow down enough, the bloom outweighs the speed bonus. But yes, great tip!!
Love the retri but it doesn't need that much bling to run a t2. With just faction resists and repper, around 120m fit and otherwise max skills, it runs t2's fairly easily. Cut it close on time a couple times but never lost it. For the 700m+ range I'm 100% going guila.
@shadowpowahful no it's more than that. More like 12 mil but 760 mil is a ridiculous cost for a ship to do T2s in. You don't need to bling this ship to that extent to do these... And even if you did it would be a crazy thing to do. One disconnect or one real life situation that you have to deal with and you've lost like 12 hours of grinding. You can do T4s in a Gila for less money than this and make 30mil per run.
Yeah I usually only farm with ships that cost at best a whole hour of that farming. T6 you can easily excuse a 350m ship but down at T2 if your ship is worth more than 50m don't bother lol.
@@penelo9114 cheap T6 ships are like 1 billion plus 1.5 billion of implants. Vagabond can be cheaper or you could probably do electricals for cheap but the filaments cost 50mil each. When you make 500mil per hour though having a setup cost of 2-3 billion isn't too bad. You might not lose your ship for 20 hours and you'd have made 7 billion profit.
I use a dual small armour repper vengeance for T1 gammas. Works like a dream. I don't think it could do T2 gammas without a huge price increase; faction launchers, deadspace reppers and resists and a ton of pyrolancia and paste because you'll be overheating the whole time. The vengeance's problem is the lack of damage. You get two photic overminds in a row and then kikimoras, you'll run out of time. Worth a try, though.
That is a really blingy fit. Not sure I'd risk ~750m against devoted abyss rats. I used to run these in a 500m Nergal which was great until it wasn't. I do like your excellent use of English in your vids. This is Eve, details matter.
I run T2 firestorms in a Nergal, also around 500 mill. I preroll a standard exile because you'll die if you don't. Biggest dangers are neuters, vedmaks, scyllas, knights, elite cynabals etc. Haven't lost mine yet, but I'm sure I will.😂
what's insane about Amarr laser boats is how much overlap you have between "long range" beam lasers and "short range" pulse lasers. Your beam fit has 360 dps at 9km optimal, my pulse laser II fit has 412 dps at not much shorter 6km optimal and 9km falloff with Conflag crystals, while still getting 255 dps at 17 km optimal with Scorch, so as long as you don't need to shoot from further than 20, you only need those 2 sets of crystals - and the MWD is giving you the range control you need. Add the single-second switching of crystals...
just saw your optimal / falloff with Gleam is less than a kilometer more than mine with Conflag. Really close call between pulse lasers and beam lasers.
I really enjoy the punisher style body. I understand you dont like enery turrets and next to an autocannon or missle i get it totally!! "The cap is real" That said i actally like a lot of the Hulls from the Amarr. I just get a skin because the bone and gold look is kind of ugly. I agree on that.
Haven't used a Retri yet, but I will, not that expensive, though. Btw, Crash gives you missile explosion radius bonus. I would also take along Aurora if you're doing beams. The main advantage of mwd and beams is the ability to keep range on everything. Edit, I would also preroll a standard exile with a fit that expensive.
It's just ludicrous. Not even faster than t2 fit and you'll struggle with the same spawns. Faction turrets are not benefiting from specialization skill and all that bling not to even match t2 dps is just dumb. What's even more tragic is you'll complete like 2-3 tier 1 runs in the same amount of time.
Faction turrets benefit from the skills. Or more accurately, no "turret" benefits from the skills, it applies to the ammo. As for Crash, yes, I meant Hardshell. 😅
@@captainbenzie Small Beam Laser Specialization: Specialist training in the operation of small Beam Lasers. 2% bonus per skill level to the damage of small turrets requiring Small Beam Laser Specialization. It literally states turrets and it increases damage multiplier. Ammo has fixed damage value so your claim is just wrong. Only ammo in game that is affected by skills are missiles. And it's limited to explosion damage, velocity and signature radius, flight time and maximum velocity. Again specialization skills affect launcher rate of fire because bonus is applied to the module as it is stated in the skill description. At the end of the day you don't have to trust me you can check pyfa or simulate it in game yourself. I assume your videos are aimed to help new player, but bs needs to be pointed out. You already need specialization to use advanced charges. Spending so much ISK on fit that most will lose before earning back fraction of it's cost instead of bumping the skill an additional level is just silly. Not to mention skill will always benefit you (unless you extract it ofc).
Great video as ever. I love the Retribution and can smash T1's all day long and would easily complete the T2 in your video. What you don't cover though is a room where you get cap-neuted by one or more than one ship - once this happens in a T2 I get wasted. Suggestions?
Thanks. So target priority is the key. I guess I do sometimes panic and forget about that in T2's. They seem a massive leap in difficulty from T1's. I even lost a 1B ISK Zealot in a T2 - couldn't believe it but that was caused by neuts too ☹☹. Great videos btw please keep them coming and thx for the 1 million skill points 👍👍@@captainbenzie
Its a solid video and a good build for what you are trying to do but a frigate that cost 3/4 of a billion is a little crazy, the break even is roughly 56 T2 abyssal runs and that with an unrealistic zero operating cost and getting the filaments for free. So this does work but if your goal is to turn a profit when you step up to T2s I personally think its time for a cruiser or team mates/multiboxing because the frigates that can run T2s its generally more profitable to do T1s faster.
This, like most videos on my channel, is absolutely not intended to be a "this is the way" video. I'm all about having fun in whatever ship you enjoy, whether or not it's the best option. Think of this as a "can it be done?" rather than "should it be done". Hence me ratting C3 anomalies in a Panther, for example.
@@captainbenzie oh ya and I get that like I said this does what it's intended to do I just wanted to say it for anyone who might be new to abyssals that this is a for fun thing but not a good way to make isk because it would take you 8-10 hours to brake even with something this blinged out.
Ever since they made the changes to add angels and sanshas and the like their are too many rare but near impossible rooms for most assault frigs to handle anymore solo T2, at least not easily and consistently enough. Makes me sad as it used to be a way I would make quick cash when I didn't want to take any risks like I have to when running T5's or the like.
@@FullAfterburner 100%. EVE gets new stuff frequently but balance is rare and minor especially on older more established ships. I also read the patch notes religiously.
ADCU really aren't worth it in solo PVE. You could have a multi spec in it's place. It seems cool but it's not. 8 seconds isn't going to save you. More base resists would. ADCUs are there for you to catch reps in a fleet. [edit] being the abyss I would just fit a good thermal resist over the ADCU. most of the hardest damage to tank in the abyss is thermal. [edit2] and tier 2 not tech 2. Sorry dude. XD
@@captainbenzie Yeah I only run T6s in cruisers so i value good resists. But in a frigs wrecking shots can be scary for sure. I do run the odd frig abyss. Might give it a go again.
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Tip: Dont turn off your mirco-warpdrive if your orbit gets to wide for your turrets or your tracking isnt quite fast enough. Instead use the speed meter in the central hud to limit your speed to, say 2/3 or so. Simply click in the speed window, and use the "+" symbol to the right of it to set your speed back to full. In most cases this is enough to get full damage. After some time you will find sweetspots for your fit.
Even at most BS like Karen keep it running , because of slow missiles(or whatever they are), they do hurt if they catch you.
And "Keep Range" works wonders at initial engagement to keep pestering tackler at bay. But you have to pay attention to your transversal to the bigger ships when using it.
Very good advice! The only reason I don't mention it is the nuance. There comes a point where if you slow down enough, the bloom outweighs the speed bonus. But yes, great tip!!
Just started in May and spec'd out full Amarr. So I naturally enjoy your love of Amarr! lol, great video.
Great to hear!
Love the retri but it doesn't need that much bling to run a t2. With just faction resists and repper, around 120m fit and otherwise max skills, it runs t2's fairly easily. Cut it close on time a couple times but never lost it. For the 700m+ range I'm 100% going guila.
I tried in a rocket hawk and iv never died in t3 and up in a cruiser but i died so much in t2 to ewar and just damage
760mil :0....wtf....you need to do 100 t2 abyssals just to cover cost
Only 7.6 mil per abysmal spsce?
@shadowpowahful no it's more than that. More like 12 mil but 760 mil is a ridiculous cost for a ship to do T2s in. You don't need to bling this ship to that extent to do these... And even if you did it would be a crazy thing to do. One disconnect or one real life situation that you have to deal with and you've lost like 12 hours of grinding. You can do T4s in a Gila for less money than this and make 30mil per run.
Yeah I usually only farm with ships that cost at best a whole hour of that farming. T6 you can easily excuse a 350m ship but down at T2 if your ship is worth more than 50m don't bother lol.
@@penelo9114 cheap T6 ships are like 1 billion plus 1.5 billion of implants. Vagabond can be cheaper or you could probably do electricals for cheap but the filaments cost 50mil each.
When you make 500mil per hour though having a setup cost of 2-3 billion isn't too bad. You might not lose your ship for 20 hours and you'd have made 7 billion profit.
Yer I can do them in a tech 2 fit lol
You could always just fly a vengence, then you could fly amarr... and be able to use missiles.
I use a dual small armour repper vengeance for T1 gammas. Works like a dream. I don't think it could do T2 gammas without a huge price increase; faction launchers, deadspace reppers and resists and a ton of pyrolancia and paste because you'll be overheating the whole time. The vengeance's problem is the lack of damage. You get two photic overminds in a row and then kikimoras, you'll run out of time. Worth a try, though.
I do love the Vengeance, I'll have a video on that soon!
Would love to see a video on the Manticore. Currently a ship I'm working towards but don't have the skills to use yet. 😢
Noted!
That is a really blingy fit. Not sure I'd risk ~750m against devoted abyss rats. I used to run these in a 500m Nergal which was great until it wasn't. I do like your excellent use of English in your vids. This is Eve, details matter.
To each their own, and thank you!!
I run T2 firestorms in a Nergal, also around 500 mill. I preroll a standard exile because you'll die if you don't. Biggest dangers are neuters, vedmaks, scyllas, knights, elite cynabals etc. Haven't lost mine yet, but I'm sure I will.😂
what's insane about Amarr laser boats is how much overlap you have between "long range" beam lasers and "short range" pulse lasers. Your beam fit has 360 dps at 9km optimal, my pulse laser II fit has 412 dps at not much shorter 6km optimal and 9km falloff with Conflag crystals, while still getting 255 dps at 17 km optimal with Scorch, so as long as you don't need to shoot from further than 20, you only need those 2 sets of crystals - and the MWD is giving you the range control you need. Add the single-second switching of crystals...
just saw your optimal / falloff with Gleam is less than a kilometer more than mine with Conflag. Really close call between pulse lasers and beam lasers.
I really enjoy the punisher style body. I understand you dont like enery turrets and next to an autocannon or missle i get it totally!! "The cap is real" That said i actally like a lot of the Hulls from the Amarr. I just get a skin because the bone and gold look is kind of ugly. I agree on that.
The Punisher hull is a gorgeous hull, hence I love the Vengeance!
Haven't used a Retri yet, but I will, not that expensive, though. Btw, Crash gives you missile explosion radius bonus. I would also take along Aurora if you're doing beams. The main advantage of mwd and beams is the ability to keep range on everything. Edit, I would also preroll a standard exile with a fit that expensive.
It's just ludicrous. Not even faster than t2 fit and you'll struggle with the same spawns.
Faction turrets are not benefiting from specialization skill and all that bling not to even match t2 dps is just dumb.
What's even more tragic is you'll complete like 2-3 tier 1 runs in the same amount of time.
Faction turrets benefit from the skills. Or more accurately, no "turret" benefits from the skills, it applies to the ammo.
As for Crash, yes, I meant Hardshell. 😅
@@captainbenzie Small Beam Laser Specialization: Specialist training in the operation of small Beam Lasers. 2% bonus per skill level to the damage of small turrets requiring Small Beam Laser Specialization.
It literally states turrets and it increases damage multiplier. Ammo has fixed damage value so your claim is just wrong. Only ammo in game that is affected by skills are missiles. And it's limited to explosion damage, velocity and signature radius, flight time and maximum velocity. Again specialization skills affect launcher rate of fire because bonus is applied to the module as it is stated in the skill description.
At the end of the day you don't have to trust me you can check pyfa or simulate it in game yourself.
I assume your videos are aimed to help new player, but bs needs to be pointed out. You already need specialization to use advanced charges. Spending so much ISK on fit that most will lose before earning back fraction of it's cost instead of bumping the skill an additional level is just silly. Not to mention skill will always benefit you (unless you extract it ofc).
Lol. I finish assault frigate5 on Sunday. And am considering an astero.....
Interesting timing benzie
Haha it appears to be a habit 😂
FINALLY my beloved shitboat. right in time Benzie, as i can fly this thing now!
Haha hope you enjoy!! 😂🚀
Great video as ever. I love the Retribution and can smash T1's all day long and would easily complete the T2 in your video. What you don't cover though is a room where you get cap-neuted by one or more than one ship - once this happens in a T2 I get wasted. Suggestions?
Hmm yeah, those rooms can be tough. Just have to burn the Neuts hard (overheat if you have to) and consider kiting.
Thanks. So target priority is the key. I guess I do sometimes panic and forget about that in T2's. They seem a massive leap in difficulty from T1's. I even lost a 1B ISK Zealot in a T2 - couldn't believe it but that was caused by neuts too ☹☹. Great videos btw please keep them coming and thx for the 1 million skill points 👍👍@@captainbenzie
Love your videos.
Kicks me straight in the pride every time you shit on Amarr.
Keep up the good work. ❤
😂 I'm just a Minmatar fanboy. Amarr ships are really good 🚀
The sound is a bit different and sounds… old? But u know what? It fits the space radio theme where u here this show. :-D
Haha I got a new setup recently so needed to redo all my settings etc
@@captainbenzie but I Kinde like it xD
Its a solid video and a good build for what you are trying to do but a frigate that cost 3/4 of a billion is a little crazy, the break even is roughly 56 T2 abyssal runs and that with an unrealistic zero operating cost and getting the filaments for free. So this does work but if your goal is to turn a profit when you step up to T2s I personally think its time for a cruiser or team mates/multiboxing because the frigates that can run T2s its generally more profitable to do T1s faster.
This, like most videos on my channel, is absolutely not intended to be a "this is the way" video. I'm all about having fun in whatever ship you enjoy, whether or not it's the best option. Think of this as a "can it be done?" rather than "should it be done".
Hence me ratting C3 anomalies in a Panther, for example.
@@captainbenzie oh ya and I get that like I said this does what it's intended to do I just wanted to say it for anyone who might be new to abyssals that this is a for fun thing but not a good way to make isk because it would take you 8-10 hours to brake even with something this blinged out.
Isnt there another punisher variant like the retribution that uses missiles? Is it any good compared to this one?
The Vengeance, yes, and I have a video coming on it soon!
Just a quick note for you @Captain Benzie, at timecode 7:08 you said 25% optimal range rather than the correct 50% optimal range with your skills... 😉
Oops thanks!!
Ever since they made the changes to add angels and sanshas and the like their are too many rare but near impossible rooms for most assault frigs to handle anymore solo T2, at least not easily and consistently enough.
Makes me sad as it used to be a way I would make quick cash when I didn't want to take any risks like I have to when running T5's or the like.
To be fair, even here, I'd rather run more T1s. They're safer, and the loot:time ratio actually works out better for ISK/hr.
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I need an updated Retribution fit. Can you help me Captain Benzi?
There have been zero changes to the ship or modules since this video 😊
@captainbenzie are you 100% sure on that? I'm just making sure. EVE gets updated ALOT.
@@FullAfterburner 100%. EVE gets new stuff frequently but balance is rare and minor especially on older more established ships. I also read the patch notes religiously.
@@captainbenzie okay thanks Captain!
750m frigate
Gotta spend money to make money
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It's ok to like amarr ships dude, nobody is judging
ADCU really aren't worth it in solo PVE. You could have a multi spec in it's place. It seems cool but it's not. 8 seconds isn't going to save you. More base resists would. ADCUs are there for you to catch reps in a fleet.
[edit] being the abyss I would just fit a good thermal resist over the ADCU. most of the hardest damage to tank in the abyss is thermal.
[edit2] and tier 2 not tech 2. Sorry dude. XD
To each their own. Honestly, passive resists won't save you from a wrecking shot, but an ADCU will. That's why I tend to use them 😊
@@captainbenzie Yeah I only run T6s in cruisers so i value good resists. But in a frigs wrecking shots can be scary for sure. I do run the odd frig abyss. Might give it a go again.
Did you face a 4 Kikimora room? Always kills my retri fits 🥹
Yeah, not too much issue tbh.