@@femmemachete The fact that there's a perfect smile behind the chain fence during the mouse puzzle which is always there because it's a cutscene of sorts- It could be co-incidence, but it looks like it was put there on purpose. 👀 1:19:01 and Kris turns to look at the player.
@@g4yb0ybl1tz7 My theory is that our character, and Kris are two entirely separate characters, due to how, in the first chapter, the SAVE point thing said “Kris” before you saved, then changed to whatever you named your character.
it's funny how, after this route when you visit the hospital & Noelle notices you, she notices Kris first. (Probably because she still can feel the pushing presence) In the pacifist route she only notices that Susie is in the room.
Or probably in some sort of coma because his soul(or whatever part of Monster controlling their Dark world version) got Suspend(like PC programm tho cause its Cyber world so i guess its basically what happened to all Enemies,they got Suspended) actually But damn,its actually WORSE than genocide cause not even WE are actually doing all that mass,but USING for it NOELLE . -.
Toby: "You can't commit genocide in Deltarune." Player: *Makes Noelle unknowingly commit genocide for them* Satan: "Well...I just want to say...that I'm a huge fan!
This was such a weird route for me. It was so tonally dissonant from the rest of the game that it legitimately creeped me out. I wonder if the game's going to expand upon this whole situation in the later chapters
I couldn't sleep beacause I played it myself with no spoilers Please I had to do the whole castle scene without pandora palace playing and having to listen to deal gone wrong the whole time
Most likely. I assume it's gonna have something similar to undertale in that the story gets progrssively different to the point of beeing another game entierly, specialy considering that Berdly died
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 i dont think so since pretty much everywhere it says that there is only 1 ending (but who knows since theres a "...?" after that in the steam page description)
I never realised you could cast Snowgrave while Kris is down. Mechanically, it makes sense, since Snowgrave is in Noelle's list of spells, but story-wise, it's interesting how the player can still speak to Noelle even when their vessel (Kris) is unconscious, and command her to act.
We control Kris themself, since we make them use ACT and have them say to their allies which spells and acts to use. We control them all, regardless if our vessel is out of commission.
@@ostrich8BC No, *we* are in control. From what we know, why would Kris want to force a childhood friend of theirs to murder her own friend? The characters may have described Kris as a creepy introvert, but they never described them as a bad person. We choose to do Snowgrave, we choose to manipulate Noelle into killing Berdly, and we choose to force Kris to watch in horror as we command Noelle through their voice against their will. *We* are the true enemy, and Kris doesn’t care if we spare or attack Darkners, they want to be free from us.
@@ostrich8BC Why did you get that feeling? I’m genuinely curious. Also my apologies if I came off as condescending or rude, I thought you didn’t know the full context. It wasn’t my intent to come off as rude.
honestly the difference in the king's dialogue in this compared to the pacifist route is one of the most chilling things about this entire run to me. "you left them behind, didn't you?" is almost right up there with the "but nobody came." motif
I actually got that since I didnt bother with sparing everyone (I didnt know you actually needed to) but I was on neutral since I spared every boss other than queen (you cant right?)
@@chocomelo454 uh, you can. the thing is, you have to spare Berdly and that'll end the fight. unless you're talking about the robot, which IS fight only, the fight before that can be done with mercy
A fun fact from an Earthbound fan... in that game, enemies also run away from you when Ness and his party are a higher level than them. Given that Toby Fox was greatly inspired by the MOTHER/Earthbound series, I betcha that's where he got that mechanic idea.
If you take off Noelle’s watch and put it on yourself, during the final cutscene with Noelle, in the same shaky dialogue text she’ll ask why Kris is wearing her watch, and then Susie will come in. And if you walk towards her, she’ll tell you, “S-Stop! Don’t come any closer!” In shaky dialogue
@@Mqstodon Now that I think about it, you're right, as the one controlling both them and Spamton-Neo is Gaster (he even appears in chapters 1 & 2 behind a tree)
People: BERDLY SUCKS I DONT WANT HIM. Berdly in the snowgrave route: *acts brave and serious but dies* People: Shouldn't have said that. I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT.
he was always my favourite character because I too am an insufferable know it all me at school be like "haha i can spell pneumoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoliosis. flex go brrrr"
I think he just assumes everyone knows the shit he does He thought Queen knew about the roaring when she didn't, wouldn't be shocking if that also applied to other shit
@@thibautisserant and its clear he knows about save points, controls, and often looks straight at the screen, at US. and he is so commited to the pacifist thing.
@@geodasher998 “lmfao what if I just kept pressing proceed over and over again? I’m going to try it” “Hey what’s this snow grave move? I’m going to use it since it says fatal and that means a lotta damage!!”
2:13:59 Susie interrupts your choice once again, but this time to save Noelle from your manipulation, albeit unintentionally. Still, it would be pretty cool if this was foreshadowing for Susie to become a Sans-style surprise boss later in this route.
I'd like to bring attention to the fact that at the end of the Spamton Neo fight (2:00:52) It says "YOU whispered Noelle's name" while the other two say it's KRIS calling out for help. I like how supportive and nice everyone else is to Noelle especially after the "Weird" experience whcih also singles out the player for their actions.
Amazing observation!! This is true! We could even assume with a far fetched reach that the thorn ring and the trance condition are directly our influence as players and I even have some reasons to believe the Thorn Ring is one of W.D. Gaster's inventions.
God, I absolutely love the way Toby does horror. While on its own genocide route wouldn't be nearly as impactful, contrasted with the pacifist route it becomes so delightfully.. painful. It makes me shiver under my blanket, and yet I just don't want to stop watching, just as it was with Undertale.
watching this makes me really uncomfortable. this is such a terrifying look at the agency of the player in the gameworld, and watching it successfully makes me feel every part the manipulative voyeur this route paints you to be as the one playing with it - even thought im just watching it on youtube, which im sure the next chapters will call me out for. this is the most compelling gaming horror ive ever encountered
Is it strange (and a little cool) that when I played this route, I actually felt like I had to be careful of what I said to Noelle to keep her under my control. After she killed Berdly and said "I'm gonna go home" and walked away, in my head I was like 'crap! we're not done yet!' and felt the urgency to run after her. I love it when video games have the ability to suck you in like that. It's like it's making you think differently than you normally would. Like from a different perspective I mean. I love the pacifist routes, but in my opinion, the genocide routes are always more interesting
How terrifying must it be for Noelle to look into the eyes of her neighbour and see them: A: Blankly staring back at her, which would make their movements seem zombie-like. B: Glaring back at her, which is what I suspect since they advance on her if she doesn't obey. Poor lil' fawn. 🥺
It's fascinating how after ripping their soul out that Kris just does the same things they do in a regular play through. I dunno man if I got back in control of my body after all of that my first though wouldn't be "hey let's go slash my mom's tires"
I feel like Kris probably went outside to stab things so they didn't hurt Tori or Susie, it can't be easy when someone else has control of your body the majority of the time. 👀
spoilers maybe and just my theory but at this point I wonder if the thing forcing Kris to do these things when the Human soul gets out, is it actually Kris or is another entity, because of the things in this snowgrave route, were the characters who are influenced by the dark, the seller, the queen and spamson seem to refer to him as ''angel'' and ''knight'' when acting like this, but they dont if you just act neutral or pacifist, and the mention of the voice not being actually kris's voice giving the commands, for now seems very clear like, the Knight and the Angel are using Kris body's, but there is a chance that, the Red soul is kris and when Kris acts without it is actually being forced by this evil because they need a human vessel to do these things, and for some reason Kris got infected or possesed by it, and the possesion gets stronger if we behave this way because we are doing their will, or is Kris who when insane and wants to do these things being self aware of what he is doing,also ralsei, I played blindly and noticed something odd about Ralseis behavior, but after this route there is something even more odd about him, the way he acts feels like he is hiding something, but can still be a missunderstanding, and how he knows from the beggening so much about the real world, Kris and Susie names and even most of the times gives intructions direcly to the player, feels like knows is manipulating us and talking to us and not to Kris, to a level a bit more scary of how flowey was.
@@SettMetabolik kris with the soul ripped out is actual kris. kris with the soul inside is the player controlling them. this is canon to the story - when the soul is in the cage, you can still control it, and spamton (a puppet) says that kris is just like him, controlled by something else.
@@mangounit9678 I know in that sense, but Kris still while being in our lead, does things like reacting, stepping back, being self aware, what Spamton points out is kinda true but he is also trying to deceive Kris into something, I still think Kris is either being possesed by some entity, if not, then he is up to something evil, but there is a reason why the Human Soul is something they want to take away from him, is still speculation for me, the whole picture is still to be seen with all the chapters.
@@SettMetabolik kris is up to whatever were up to. kris is controlled by us, the player. any moment of reaction is rare; everything else is you and me. whether you like it or not, kris has no control. so them trying to get rid of the soul, in an attempt to gain freedom, is not evil.
Man, after watching the walkthrough for this route... Yeah, I don't have enough balls to ruin the feelings of wholesomeness after completing this chapter in pacifist route. I felt so bad for Queen though... Either she really didn't know what happened to the inhabitants of the cyber world or that she's trying to play it cool. Of course she'll knew about "someone" going around the city freezing everybody on sight. At least, she must've have been made aware of the stuff happening in the city. If she did, maybe she is in denial that the person doing that is seen with Kris in the city. The thought of Kris doing something horrible (and to Noelle) probably hard for Queen to take in. Another thing that makes this run far more gut-wrenching is when the Darkners flee upon seeing you and Noelle. It's just messed up that they knew they couldn't really fend for themselves for too long because Noelle's getting stronger each time. Thanks for the video!
Toby Fox knows well how to make "genocide" runs unfun. I mean, you have to sacrifice so much of the comedy (Potassium, boat ride with Ralsei etc.) to finish this route.
Spamson NEO is an optional secret boss in pacifist but I like how they force you to fight him in genocide spamson is strange and what is a pipis and why does he like them
My best guess is that originally Spamton can’t get in with all the staff there but by going on the murder spree there’s no one left or everyone ran away leaving the castle empty so Spamton just waltzes in and steals the body himself. He still needs a soul tho as referenced in the pacifist Spamton fight so he still goes after you also because he doesn’t want you to seal the fountain.
Whats intresting about Spamton is that if you just fight him the one time in a normal playthrough and dont do the secret boss you wont think much of Spamton. You will only know more about him if you dig deeper by fighting the secret boss, going to his shop, and doing the snowgrave route
This whole route is worst then Undertale's genocide, because it feels a lot more personal and sickening. You're just forcing Kris' childhood friend to commit murder.
I've checked through the comments and I don't see anyone else mentioning it, though I could be wrong... But in the normal route if you talk to Sans at the end of Chapter 2 and mention about his brother Sans states that his brother is currently busy and for you to check back tomorrow, although in the Snowgrave route Sans will instead tell you that meeting up with his brother is probably not a good idea anymore.
This.. this is terrifying. And even more disturbing than Undertale's, in my opinion. Thoughts below. (Spoilers:) Even if Undertale's genocide path involves you taking control of, and subsequently corrupting Frisk, it's nowhere near as direct. It's more about the violence you inflict on others than on Frisk themselves. In this route, that's still a factor, but made worse by the fact that you're twisting... manipulating... traumatizing someone to do it. And a sweet, innocent person at that, who would have never done any of this on her own. Much like the original, it's very meta, too. In RPGs, how many creatures do we command our party members to destroy, all for the sake of "getting stronger?" (More specifically, the party members who start out weak, but have the most potential.) It becomes less about the person, and more about how they can accomplish your goals. In this route, ironically, it was Queen who truly cared about her as a person, however misguided her actions were. To Kris (or more accurately, to the player), Noelle was nothing but a source of power. A weapon to command, no matter how she felt about it. And the amount of abuse it took to get her there, the countless times she begged for you to stop... it's haunting. No one could possibly deserve that, Noelle least of all. The poor girl. Edit: One more thing: The voice Noelle is hearing, the one commanding her. That's gotta be the player, right? People have commented on how Kris seems different lately... which lines up with when the game starts (following that creepy intro), and we take control. When Kris takes out their Soul, is that them retaking control from us? After all, we do control that heart (during combat,) and Susie even comments on Kris's lack of control ("It's not like someone needs to tell you to sit, right?) ...It seems Kris is the Roaming Knight, based on the ending of this chapter. But what does that mean for us? Is Kris going through the same emotions as Noelle because of our input? Are we protecting people by taking control, or only making things worse? Only time will tell, I suppose.
It's interesting, because it seems to me that Kris without the heart is pretty bad (the knifes, the making fountains), and thus, not the same person they were implied to be before. Because although all of the characters say Kris was a bit of a loner, and known for playing pranks, they don't seem to be painted as a knife wielding, tyre slashing zombie. So is it possible that they've only become that way because somehow we came to control control their soul, and in trying to escape that they remove their soul? And by removing one's soul, they become something seemingly evil? However, perhaps not as evil as the evil we can force them to commit. It really makes me wonder what the next chapters will bring. After all, 5 whole more chapters of murder will certainly be a lot. Not anywhere near as short as undertale's original genocide route.
@@rex_yaldabaoth could you somehow relate what Spamton says at the end of his pacifist fight? In the end his strings are what kept him alive? Is the soul that we control him through, a necessary thing for him to be the "hero" of the story, regardless of the fact that we take control of him? To sacrifice control, does he sacrifice becoming the hero?
@@db5094 I mean, perhaps, but we haven't had control of them for their entire life. Of course, that doesn't mean that they were a hero before we took control, but they certainly weren't a villain either. In some ways I wonder if the stuff that happens without the soul is them actively trying to fight against the player's actions.
@@db5094 I feel like that's why ralsei says that Kris is screaming when you say you aren't ok after the spamton fight in Pacifist. I think that even though they aren't in control, Kris can still see everything we do and seeing spamton die after his strings were severed kinda hit home and they were panicking thinking about what would happen if we left or something like that. Which is kinda sad.
I'm so confused on one thing, shouldn't Berdly have turned to dust as soon he returned to the library? Which makes me wonder if he's just knocked unconcious, not actually dead.
@@realsanstheskeleton8985 We're still not sure if the 'laws' established in UT apply to DR, but monsters that aren't killed by physical / magical damage (like old age, or in this case, some weird ass brainfreeze), enter a state called 'fallen down', like a comatose, they turn to dust shortly after.
Kris commands Noelle to kill that one salesperson without hesitation but doesn't tell her to kill Spamton for his ring. If Kris can't afford the ring, the run is failed. It sounds like either the one controlling Kris knowingly needed Spamton for something or they were too scared to fight Spamton without needing to.
I like the theory that secret bosses are former player characters, which explains why they got "corrupted" by a mysterious past experience. It does explain why Spamton is not as easily affected as the rest of the NPCs.
@@thibautisserant Right... Jevil was supposed to be a cool dude until he become a psychopath. Makes sense if he was corrupted by a genocide-route player
@@renanovitasari373 she was trying to move at the part where kris was exactly at the position of the forcefield thus implicating that she wants to get kris be electrocuted and kill them Plus, Noelle was so thirsty of killing or freezing other characters in the game that's why she talked to herself about if what she's doing is good or not about moving away from the button that kept the forcefield
Looks like she hesitated because she is not the type of person to actually kill or fight. But thanks to us using Kris to coerce her, she is now a murderer thanks to us. Also, Kris is her childhood friend so it makes sense why she would second-guess right in that moment.
She didn't *truly* try to move off the button. She merely contemplated it. Even if she stepped forward a bit, when it really mattered, she didn't actually have it in her to step off that button and kill Kris. It was an intrusive thought, one she actively rejected.
Super minor detail: they changed one single pixel on Berdly's sprite during his fight for this route, making him look like he's serious instead of smugly smiling. They also altered his expression during his attack.
What I don't understand is how the pink Addison recognizes Noelle and Kris as murderers, is completely fine with it, and has a special item in his stock that is catered to the demographic of murderers specifically. Maybe recognizing murderers and giving them special offers is something that their species is just... programmed to do? Because after all Spamton does the same thing with the ThornRing, only offers it to you when he recognizes you as murderers, and by the looks of it he is the same species as the Addisons. Creepy. I guess that it would make sense for them to make offers that cater to you (because of cookies) but it's still creepy. And reveals that the friendly smiling Addisons have a dark side, a side where they're eager to cooperate with murderers.
1:21:46 the tree from chapter one is sketched on the wall. this directly ties spamton to the egg man, and spamton neo (in pacifist route) has obvious gaster symbolism that susie points out (puppets, strings, hands, darkness). this is a direct tie between gaster and the tree man - actual evidence that says that the guy behind the tree was gaster himself.
I’m thinking Gaster is going to be the last secret boss or something like that, he keeps showing up and I feel like he has to be relevant in deltarune somehow! Maybe he’s controlling the secret bosses (spamton and Jevil) for some mysterious plan.
I wonder who froze all the puzzles before Noelle and Kris even got to some of the areas, though... (During the Genocide run, it was Flowey's vines having 'solved' all of them)
My theory is that as Noelle "gets stronger", her ice magic starts to spread further as well. It starts as just freezing the enemies but eventually, it ends up covering up the environment environment as well.
I wonder if anything special happens if you abort the Snowgrave route during the Berdly fight but you let Berdly's arm get broken later. You'd think Noelle would have some kind of reaction to that since it's strong evidence that the "dream" was real.
I am NOT doing this route myself... especially not to any Tasque. I had enough grief losing my real cat, thank you very much... I feel the same as I did with everybody in Undertale. I have no intention of killing all these characters who I grow to love so much. I just won't do it... I don't care what Flowey says. Thanks for this though.
1:43:20 hey so like, what the hell is up with ralsie and saying "we we're supposed to-" ? Did he know how this route was supposed to go or what? Is sending the player to watch what's happening with Susie intentional?? Eh its probably a metta joke
Normally when the player watches what happens with Susie, Ralsei secretly talks to Kris.. like they don't want the player to know what they're saying. So I think it is intentional
Hi Nisha, thanks for this. Wasn't expecting to find a familiar face attached to exactly what I was looking for since the final boss was thoroughly kicking my ass but I wanted to see the different content.
The route gets aborted and Noelle thinks that everything you done was a joke to mess up with Berdly. So you end fighting him normally and proceed with a neutral run
@@GreenLoonie A C T U A L L Y, she tells herself you are her friend and is protecting her (And the route gets aborted), She thinks you are pranking Berdly if you finish his fight without using snowgrave.
I think the player's ability to use Kris to control others was actually foreshadowed in the Jevil fight in Chapter 1. Using Hypnosis costs you all three turns but the text when using it (Kris stares strangely) implies that Kris is the only one actually doing anything & they just needed Susie & Ralsei to stop paying attention for a moment. Susie & Ralsei's animations do just happen to involve them looking away. I'm not implying Kris is controlling Susie & Ralsei. They might've just told 'em to look away. I think the hypnosis itself may be the entity inside Kris using its influence on Jevil though.
1:19:02 That kind of looked like a smile which surprised me for a little moment but then noticed it was just the fence. 1:53:27 Nice sync 2:08:59 Swatch is still here! :O I'm also curious of the other dialogue choices. And why the "traffic stopping switches" were frozen before Noelle got there.
1:08:41 - The game officially recognizes you're decidedly on the Snowgrave Route, and the music changes from "Welcome to the City" to "It's Cold in the City". Not a point of no return, but it's here where it becomes blatantly obvious that you're focusing on killing everyone. And the tone shifts with the music.
oh god. could you imagine Doki Doki Literature Club written by Toby? especially with all the alternate routes you can take in the game. just imagine the way he’d write that.
I love this route, not as much as i love the wholesome normal route, but turning the world on its head and corrupting her like this is..idk its interesting and unique in a macbe and dark sorta way
I don’t know why but it felt so eerie when Susie check Noelle’s room, the lack of music and just wind blowing, this game always has music popping off, but now, it’s so desolate. Not to mention Ralsei continuously questioning about how Noelle and Berdley are as she gets no response, and starts to panic when Susie says let’s go. Kris knows what happens and can’t say it to anyone. It just makes Berdley’s death feel more grim
I find this bit at 1:46:27 so creepy. Like queen is normally a jokey, flamboyant, comic relief character, but here she says something so serious and poetic, it's so out of character. And the darker darker bit like 👌👌👌
The end of the neo spamton boss fight is. horrifying. Every time you choose to call for help, it always says *Kris* calls for [name] but when its Noelle, it switches to *You*
In Deltarune, you can do anything! You can spare everyone, kill everyone…make everybody depressed…or…turn the neighbour’s kid…into…a serial…killer…with…no regard for…anyone’s…life…
I just found out that this room at 1:48:46 is completely absent from any other normal route, which is weird because Its layout is definitely supposed to be reminiscent of a similar room right before the Fountain in Chapter 1, so it has a reason to be there for consistency. I wonder if it was going to be in normal gameplay, but was scrapped and added in Snowgrave just to give you a save before the Spamton Neo battle.
This is more fucking traumatizing than genocide undertale Don't know if it's better or worse that this is how I experienced ch2 for the first time. ...and had to reset because I picked the kinder option of "noelle and I are just friends". *God.*
1:25:12 story, so ı was fïghting berdly and dıdnt know ı had to defend, so ı used iceshock on him but that kicked me out of the snowgrave route with berdly saying ı defeated him and ı ruıned it
Berdly is fine. Gamers don’t die, they respawn.
I hope so. It made me so sad that he didn't wake up.
Hate to break it but; he's dead.
@@ArtseyHayton06 he is dead in snowgrave not the pacifist.
too bad he was in deathmatch
He ragequit from life
It's funny how Kris' expression never changes, yet I feel like they look more menacing in this route.
Proceed
@@femmemachete The fact that there's a perfect smile behind the chain fence during the mouse puzzle which is always there because it's a cutscene of sorts-
It could be co-incidence, but it looks like it was put there on purpose. 👀
1:19:01 and Kris turns to look at the player.
@Dariel Rojas I thought it co-incidence at first, but then I watched a different playthrough and realised the player doesn't get to place Kris. 👀
@@CelestialBunnyPaws im glad you saw it too!
@@g4yb0ybl1tz7 My theory is that our character, and Kris are two entirely separate characters, due to how, in the first chapter, the SAVE point thing said “Kris” before you saved, then changed to whatever you named your character.
it's funny how, after this route when you visit the hospital & Noelle notices you, she notices Kris first. (Probably because she still can feel the pushing presence) In the pacifist route she only notices that Susie is in the room.
Ooh, good catch.
And if you wear her Watch she absolutely freaks out
@@Kairos_Akumaand AND you can click right(?) to walk towards her and freak her out even MORE
Damn, the Noelle situation is spooky. And my man berdley is straight up dead
Or probably in some sort of coma because his soul(or whatever part of Monster controlling their Dark world version) got Suspend(like PC programm tho cause its Cyber world so i guess its basically what happened to all Enemies,they got Suspended) actually
But damn,its actually WORSE than genocide cause not even WE are actually doing all that mass,but USING for it NOELLE . -.
@@skell6134 Those monsters originated from Cyber World, Berdly did not, so the same rules may not apply to him.
gamers dont die -_- they respawn
1:29:24 what is this track called cuz it just sounds fire
Is it spamton slowed down please tell me!
d e s e r v e d
Toby: "You can't commit genocide in Deltarune."
Player: *Makes Noelle unknowingly commit genocide for them*
Satan: "Well...I just want to say...that I'm a huge fan!
why make your choices matter when you have someone else make them
@@bright2734 modern problems require modern solutions 😌
classic Tenacious D reference!😄
Key word is *you*
I read Satan as Susie somehow and I was very disturbed
An interesting difference I’ve noticed after getting the frost ring is that noelle no longer looks straight ahead but instead at the ground
that's probably why she recognized berdly as an enemy at first, i didnt even notice that!
@@g4yb0ybl1tz7 so a combination of shitty peripheral vision and p l a y e r
@@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa probably!
i just noticed that
She...doesn't? What are you talking about? Her sprite is the same
This was such a weird route for me. It was so tonally dissonant from the rest of the game that it legitimately creeped me out. I wonder if the game's going to expand upon this whole situation in the later chapters
I couldn't sleep beacause I played it myself with no spoilers
Please I had to do the whole castle scene without pandora palace playing and having to listen to deal gone wrong the whole time
they damn well better lmao
Most likely. I assume it's gonna have something similar to undertale in that the story gets progrssively different to the point of beeing another game entierly, specialy considering that Berdly died
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 i dont think so since pretty much everywhere it says that there is only 1 ending (but who knows since theres a "...?" after that in the steam page description)
It's Toby, of course it's gonna creep up on ya in later chapters
* Before you left, you gathered up everything in the room.
Does that include a comatose Berdly?
Prob stuffed him in The closet
@@Saxingsexualy It *was* specified that a person could fit in there... Oh no.
@@patrickramseyart Man...
@@patrickramseyart ...wow
@@patrickramseyart oh s t
I never realised you could cast Snowgrave while Kris is down. Mechanically, it makes sense, since Snowgrave is in Noelle's list of spells, but story-wise, it's interesting how the player can still speak to Noelle even when their vessel (Kris) is unconscious, and command her to act.
We control Kris themself, since we make them use ACT and have them say to their allies which spells and acts to use. We control them all, regardless if our vessel is out of commission.
The thing is... its almost like the vessel is in control
@@ostrich8BC No, *we* are in control. From what we know, why would Kris want to force a childhood friend of theirs to murder her own friend? The characters may have described Kris as a creepy introvert, but they never described them as a bad person. We choose to do Snowgrave, we choose to manipulate Noelle into killing Berdly, and we choose to force Kris to watch in horror as we command Noelle through their voice against their will. *We* are the true enemy, and Kris doesn’t care if we spare or attack Darkners, they want to be free from us.
@@thatoneguy5343 I said it FEELS like the vessel is in control
@@ostrich8BC Why did you get that feeling? I’m genuinely curious. Also my apologies if I came off as condescending or rude, I thought you didn’t know the full context. It wasn’t my intent to come off as rude.
honestly the difference in the king's dialogue in this compared to the pacifist route is one of the most chilling things about this entire run to me. "you left them behind, didn't you?" is almost right up there with the "but nobody came." motif
I actually got that since I didnt bother with sparing everyone (I didnt know you actually needed to) but I was on neutral since I spared every boss other than queen (you cant right?)
I missed out on ONE of the maus encounters and got that on my _other_ other save file. Still got my tru pacifist one tho so it's chill
@@chocomelo454 uh, you can. the thing is, you have to spare Berdly and that'll end the fight.
unless you're talking about the robot, which IS fight only, the fight before that can be done with mercy
@@alexandergazmen3126 Weird. Queen would leave as soon as I getting close to sparing jom
@@chocomelo454 what do you mean?
notice how the mobs start running instead of chasing you? god this route is terrifting
RIGHT THAT DETAIL MAKES IT EVEN MORE SPOOKY
Also the poppups hide when we get close to them
A fun fact from an Earthbound fan... in that game, enemies also run away from you when Ness and his party are a higher level than them. Given that Toby Fox was greatly inspired by the MOTHER/Earthbound series, I betcha that's where he got that mechanic idea.
If you take off Noelle’s watch and put it on yourself, during the final cutscene with Noelle, in the same shaky dialogue text she’ll ask why Kris is wearing her watch, and then Susie will come in. And if you walk towards her, she’ll tell you, “S-Stop! Don’t come any closer!” In shaky dialogue
I would've gotten that dialogue, because I just think the watch is a good item in general (especially because I LOVE to graze bullets)
knew toby couldnt help himself from adding some kinda crazy twist
Like kinda confirming the fact that Kris is the KNIGHT.🤯
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@@kage1061 they aren't
@@Mqstodon Now that I think about it, you're right, as the one controlling both them and Spamton-Neo is Gaster (he even appears in chapters 1 & 2 behind a tree)
@@kage1061 when does gaster appear in deltarune?
People: BERDLY SUCKS I DONT WANT HIM.
Berdly in the snowgrave route: *acts brave and serious but dies*
People: Shouldn't have said that. I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT.
Timestamp is 2:06:01 for those wondering
I still hate him
For real I felt so bad for him after calling him a gamer girl bath water drinker💀
he was always my favourite character because I too am an insufferable know it all
me at school be like "haha i can spell pneumoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoliosis. flex go brrrr"
@@FTMothman *hold up.*
the incredibly long pause from the player after Queen asks Kris where everyone is made this all the more unsettling
Ralsei knows so much more than he's letting on
Agreed, he lost my trust on Chapter 2.
I think he just assumes everyone knows the shit he does
He thought Queen knew about the roaring when she didn't, wouldn't be shocking if that also applied to other shit
Even in the pacifics route he is SUS as fuck in this chapter. Emanates treason from every pore
@@thibautisserant and its clear he knows about save points, controls, and often looks straight at the screen, at US. and he is so commited to the pacifist thing.
while i agree i definitely dont think he's evil
Upon seeing Spamton NEO, I can thoroughly understand why everyone compares him to Mettaton.
That's the closest we can get to an official Mettaton NEO fight
@@technopathic7597 Especially since your soul turns yellow and Spamton shows you his heart. 👀
@@CelestialBunnyPaws the fact that your soul turns yellow
I mean it's not in mettaton neo but it's in mettaton fight
He also has the gun arm.
@@PrimitiveAspid And a phone, like the final scene in Mettaton's regular fight. 👀
“Man this ice shock spell is pretty powerful! I’m gonna use it as my main source of damage!”
The poor fella who did the snowgrave route accidentally
But I don’t think he’ll purposely run into enemies or freeze the shopkeeper
Right?!
@@MasterIsabelle “grinding may be tedious, but it’s all worth it to be stronger!”
@@geodasher998 “oooh boy! Something else sure seems like an awkward thing to say! I’m going to pick it for the meme!!”
@@geodasher998 “lmfao what if I just kept pressing proceed over and over again? I’m going to try it” “Hey what’s this snow grave move? I’m going to use it since it says fatal and that means a lotta damage!!”
2:13:59 Susie interrupts your choice once again, but this time to save Noelle from your manipulation, albeit unintentionally. Still, it would be pretty cool if this was foreshadowing for Susie to become a Sans-style surprise boss later in this route.
No, it doesn't really interrupt, i have played it and it doesn't.
@@arthurbr8280 the same route can be different in little ways though
That would kinda fit Susie's character. I wish it played Megalovania aswell as an refrence, or atleast, a modified version of it.
Her theme is already called Versus Susie...
That would be cool as hell
I'd like to bring attention to the fact that at the end of the Spamton Neo fight (2:00:52) It says "YOU whispered Noelle's name" while the other two say it's KRIS calling out for help.
I like how supportive and nice everyone else is to Noelle especially after the "Weird" experience whcih also singles out the player for their actions.
Amazing observation!! This is true!
We could even assume with a far fetched reach that the thorn ring and the trance condition are directly our influence as players and I even have some reasons to believe the Thorn Ring is one of W.D. Gaster's inventions.
God, I absolutely love the way Toby does horror. While on its own genocide route wouldn't be nearly as impactful, contrasted with the pacifist route it becomes so delightfully.. painful. It makes me shiver under my blanket, and yet I just don't want to stop watching, just as it was with Undertale.
I think the Genocide route’s horror was definitely ruined by Sans, though
watching this makes me really uncomfortable. this is such a terrifying look at the agency of the player in the gameworld, and watching it successfully makes me feel every part the manipulative voyeur this route paints you to be as the one playing with it - even thought im just watching it on youtube, which im sure the next chapters will call me out for. this is the most compelling gaming horror ive ever encountered
Is it strange (and a little cool) that when I played this route, I actually felt like I had to be careful of what I said to Noelle to keep her under my control. After she killed Berdly and said "I'm gonna go home" and walked away, in my head I was like 'crap! we're not done yet!' and felt the urgency to run after her. I love it when video games have the ability to suck you in like that. It's like it's making you think differently than you normally would. Like from a different perspective I mean. I love the pacifist routes, but in my opinion, the genocide routes are always more interesting
How terrifying must it be for Noelle to look into the eyes of her neighbour and see them:
A: Blankly staring back at her, which would make their movements seem zombie-like.
B: Glaring back at her, which is what I suspect since they advance on her if she doesn't obey.
Poor lil' fawn. 🥺
@@steveairport But it's not just a voice we use to manipulate her, as we can see in the fight with Berdly, glaring is very much an option. 👀
i thought noelle was a deer
@@helloguys7550 A fawn is a young deer.
@@CelestialBunnyPaws oh
@phantasmagoria The snowgrave route basically spells out in giant bold letters: Coercion, gaslighting, and also psychological/emotional manipulation.
It's fascinating how after ripping their soul out that Kris just does the same things they do in a regular play through. I dunno man if I got back in control of my body after all of that my first though wouldn't be "hey let's go slash my mom's tires"
I feel like Kris probably went outside to stab things so they didn't hurt Tori or Susie, it can't be easy when someone else has control of your body the majority of the time. 👀
spoilers maybe and just my theory but at this point I wonder if the thing forcing Kris to do these things when the Human soul gets out, is it actually Kris or is another entity, because of the things in this snowgrave route, were the characters who are influenced by the dark, the seller, the queen and spamson seem to refer to him as ''angel'' and ''knight'' when acting like this, but they dont if you just act neutral or pacifist, and the mention of the voice not being actually kris's voice giving the commands, for now seems very clear like, the Knight and the Angel are using Kris body's, but there is a chance that, the Red soul is kris and when Kris acts without it is actually being forced by this evil because they need a human vessel to do these things, and for some reason Kris got infected or possesed by it, and the possesion gets stronger if we behave this way because we are doing their will, or is Kris who when insane and wants to do these things being self aware of what he is doing,also ralsei, I played blindly and noticed something odd about Ralseis behavior, but after this route there is something even more odd about him, the way he acts feels like he is hiding something, but can still be a missunderstanding, and how he knows from the beggening so much about the real world, Kris and Susie names and even most of the times gives intructions direcly to the player, feels like knows is manipulating us and talking to us and not to Kris, to a level a bit more scary of how flowey was.
@@SettMetabolik kris with the soul ripped out is actual kris. kris with the soul inside is the player controlling them. this is canon to the story - when the soul is in the cage, you can still control it, and spamton (a puppet) says that kris is just like him, controlled by something else.
@@mangounit9678 I know in that sense, but Kris still while being in our lead, does things like reacting, stepping back, being self aware, what Spamton points out is kinda true but he is also trying to deceive Kris into something, I still think Kris is either being possesed by some entity, if not, then he is up to something evil, but there is a reason why the Human Soul is something they want to take away from him, is still speculation for me, the whole picture is still to be seen with all the chapters.
@@SettMetabolik kris is up to whatever were up to. kris is controlled by us, the player. any moment of reaction is rare; everything else is you and me. whether you like it or not, kris has no control. so them trying to get rid of the soul, in an attempt to gain freedom, is not evil.
That route was so terrifying, I actually have chills now...wait.
*Meanwhile Noelle T-poses behind me*
@@dottyspot could of added to comment
@@Devilsaur I put it in a second comment for dramatic effect
Noelle casts ICESHOCK!
@Dotty Spot Was a pun intended?
Man, after watching the walkthrough for this route... Yeah, I don't have enough balls to ruin the feelings of wholesomeness after completing this chapter in pacifist route. I felt so bad for Queen though... Either she really didn't know what happened to the inhabitants of the cyber world or that she's trying to play it cool. Of course she'll knew about "someone" going around the city freezing everybody on sight. At least, she must've have been made aware of the stuff happening in the city. If she did, maybe she is in denial that the person doing that is seen with Kris in the city. The thought of Kris doing something horrible (and to Noelle) probably hard for Queen to take in.
Another thing that makes this run far more gut-wrenching is when the Darkners flee upon seeing you and Noelle. It's just messed up that they knew they couldn't really fend for themselves for too long because Noelle's getting stronger each time.
Thanks for the video!
Toby Fox knows well how to make "genocide" runs unfun. I mean, you have to sacrifice so much of the comedy (Potassium, boat ride with Ralsei etc.) to finish this route.
The drama *is* the fun, silly.
Who said it's not fun? You actually get to attack things for once.
"Kris Get The Banana"
Yes cuz you're supposed to know all of that stuff then you go for this route!
Spamson NEO is an optional secret boss in pacifist but I like how they force you to fight him in genocide spamson is strange and what is a pipis and why does he like them
My best guess is that originally Spamton can’t get in with all the staff there but by going on the murder spree there’s no one left or everyone ran away leaving the castle empty so Spamton just waltzes in and steals the body himself. He still needs a soul tho as referenced in the pacifist Spamton fight so he still goes after you also because he doesn’t want you to seal the fountain.
@@shmarfle47 that might be possible
Pipis is a clam in australia
I love spamson g spamson.
A Pipi is a freshwater clam
This hits harder than undertale's geneocide route
Definitely
oh god kinda feels darker
tbh i was still more emotionally shaken by undertales
@@coolcat6148 papyrus was probably the only sad thing about it
@@zachiswack8007 tbh i didnt really like papyrus at the time of playing the genocide run, everything was just much more depressing imo
this isnt sad, its depressing. "kris" literally manipulated their childhood friend
Kris didn't do that, you did. Well at least the idea of you cause in all likelihood you or I didn't actually play the snowgrave route.
@@Chowder_T That's why they have the quotation marks around "Kris"
@@SillyGooberMan I didn't even notice that. I'm dense.
@@Chowder_T Nah, it's fine mate.
it almost looks like kris is grinning through the fence at 1:19:00 . i know it's just the fencing over their face, but gee............
lmao true
Yeah, I was also scared when I played this
I noticed that too
maybe it was intentional…
Really felt bad for queen in this one
Especially when she asked where Tasque Manager, the Tasques etc. are......
Yeah...
@@misslady2639 that just happens if you recruit nobody, but it hurts so much more here... same with Kings dialogue
Whats intresting about Spamton is that if you just fight him the one time in a normal playthrough and dont do the secret boss you wont think much of Spamton. You will only know more about him if you dig deeper by fighting the secret boss, going to his shop, and doing the snowgrave route
This whole route is worst then Undertale's genocide, because it feels a lot more personal and sickening.
You're just forcing Kris' childhood friend to commit murder.
No kidding.
Hell no, killing Sand and Papyrus made me way sicker in Undertale. Snowgrave is just creepier
5 left made my skin crawl when I heard it from spamton. Didn't expect it and it reminded me of undertale. Very scary.
I love how in deltarune/undertale you can see yourself both as a villain and a hero,it's crazy because you can choose which route take.
which route take 💀
I've checked through the comments and I don't see anyone else mentioning it, though I could be wrong... But in the normal route if you talk to Sans at the end of Chapter 2 and mention about his brother Sans states that his brother is currently busy and for you to check back tomorrow, although in the Snowgrave route Sans will instead tell you that meeting up with his brother is probably not a good idea anymore.
i think they got that dialogue bc they didn't start ch2 from a ch1 save so they never talked to sans about his brother in ch1
I think it's random.
@@bug581 Nope, I had a chapter 1 start where I asked about the brother and this is what always happens despite already having asked about his brother.
This.. this is terrifying. And even more disturbing than Undertale's, in my opinion.
Thoughts below. (Spoilers:)
Even if Undertale's genocide path involves you taking control of, and subsequently corrupting Frisk, it's nowhere near as direct. It's more about the violence you inflict on others than on Frisk themselves.
In this route, that's still a factor, but made worse by the fact that you're twisting... manipulating... traumatizing someone to do it. And a sweet, innocent person at that, who would have never done any of this on her own.
Much like the original, it's very meta, too. In RPGs, how many creatures do we command our party members to destroy, all for the sake of "getting stronger?" (More specifically, the party members who start out weak, but have the most potential.) It becomes less about the person, and more about how they can accomplish your goals.
In this route, ironically, it was Queen who truly cared about her as a person, however misguided her actions were. To Kris (or more accurately, to the player), Noelle was nothing but a source of power. A weapon to command, no matter how she felt about it. And the amount of abuse it took to get her there, the countless times she begged for you to stop... it's haunting. No one could possibly deserve that, Noelle least of all. The poor girl.
Edit: One more thing: The voice Noelle is hearing, the one commanding her. That's gotta be the player, right? People have commented on how Kris seems different lately... which lines up with when the game starts (following that creepy intro), and we take control. When Kris takes out their Soul, is that them retaking control from us? After all, we do control that heart (during combat,) and Susie even comments on Kris's lack of control ("It's not like someone needs to tell you to sit, right?)
...It seems Kris is the Roaming Knight, based on the ending of this chapter. But what does that mean for us? Is Kris going through the same emotions as Noelle because of our input? Are we protecting people by taking control, or only making things worse? Only time will tell, I suppose.
It's interesting, because it seems to me that Kris without the heart is pretty bad (the knifes, the making fountains), and thus, not the same person they were implied to be before. Because although all of the characters say Kris was a bit of a loner, and known for playing pranks, they don't seem to be painted as a knife wielding, tyre slashing zombie. So is it possible that they've only become that way because somehow we came to control control their soul, and in trying to escape that they remove their soul? And by removing one's soul, they become something seemingly evil? However, perhaps not as evil as the evil we can force them to commit.
It really makes me wonder what the next chapters will bring. After all, 5 whole more chapters of murder will certainly be a lot. Not anywhere near as short as undertale's original genocide route.
@@rex_yaldabaoth could you somehow relate what Spamton says at the end of his pacifist fight? In the end his strings are what kept him alive? Is the soul that we control him through, a necessary thing for him to be the "hero" of the story, regardless of the fact that we take control of him? To sacrifice control, does he sacrifice becoming the hero?
@@db5094 I mean, perhaps, but we haven't had control of them for their entire life. Of course, that doesn't mean that they were a hero before we took control, but they certainly weren't a villain either. In some ways I wonder if the stuff that happens without the soul is them actively trying to fight against the player's actions.
genocide still creepier tbh
@@db5094 I feel like that's why ralsei says that Kris is screaming when you say you aren't ok after the spamton fight in Pacifist. I think that even though they aren't in control, Kris can still see everything we do and seeing spamton die after his strings were severed kinda hit home and they were panicking thinking about what would happen if we left or something like that. Which is kinda sad.
Thanks for providing saves. you did us all a solid. I honestly don't have the heart to do this run.
I'm so confused on one thing, shouldn't Berdly have turned to dust as soon he returned to the library? Which makes me wonder if he's just knocked unconcious, not actually dead.
@@realsanstheskeleton8985 We're still not sure if the 'laws' established in UT apply to DR, but monsters that aren't killed by physical / magical damage (like old age, or in this case, some weird ass brainfreeze), enter a state called 'fallen down', like a comatose, they turn to dust shortly after.
"Don't have the heart."
Pun intended or not intended?
Kris commands Noelle to kill that one salesperson without hesitation but doesn't tell her to kill Spamton for his ring. If Kris can't afford the ring, the run is failed. It sounds like either the one controlling Kris knowingly needed Spamton for something or they were too scared to fight Spamton without needing to.
I like the theory that secret bosses are former player characters, which explains why they got "corrupted" by a mysterious past experience.
It does explain why Spamton is not as easily affected as the rest of the NPCs.
@@thibautisserant Kinda like the vessel at the beginning of the game. I like that idea.
@@thibautisserant Right... Jevil was supposed to be a cool dude until he become a psychopath. Makes sense if he was corrupted by a genocide-route player
WE are the one controlling kris, so yeah
I would be scared of fighting a [[ BIG SHOT ]]
Anyone noticed @ 1:07:55 Noelle tried to walk away from the button meaning she really is trying to kill Kris
not kill, she wanted kris to fail the puzzle. not kill
@@renanovitasari373 she was trying to move at the part where kris was exactly at the position of the forcefield thus implicating that she wants to get kris be electrocuted and kill them
Plus, Noelle was so thirsty of killing or freezing other characters in the game that's why she talked to herself about if what she's doing is good or not about moving away from the button that kept the forcefield
Looks like she hesitated because she is not the type of person to actually kill or fight. But thanks to us using Kris to coerce her, she is now a murderer thanks to us.
Also, Kris is her childhood friend so it makes sense why she would second-guess right in that moment.
She didn't *truly* try to move off the button. She merely contemplated it. Even if she stepped forward a bit, when it really mattered, she didn't actually have it in her to step off that button and kill Kris. It was an intrusive thought, one she actively rejected.
Super minor detail: they changed one single pixel on Berdly's sprite during his fight for this route, making him look like he's serious instead of smugly smiling. They also altered his expression during his attack.
Honestly I got chills watching this
Edit: IS BIRDLY ACTUALLY DEAD
At the very least in a coma
(If a monster dies they turn into dust)
Well it says "Fatal"... but yeah at the very least in a coma
probably in a coma because a monster turns into dust when they die
@@jest6812 I feel like if you kill a monster and it doesn't turn into dust it's scarier
@@ORIONVIIXI yeah
What I don't understand is how the pink Addison recognizes Noelle and Kris as murderers, is completely fine with it, and has a special item in his stock that is catered to the demographic of murderers specifically. Maybe recognizing murderers and giving them special offers is something that their species is just... programmed to do? Because after all Spamton does the same thing with the ThornRing, only offers it to you when he recognizes you as murderers, and by the looks of it he is the same species as the Addisons.
Creepy. I guess that it would make sense for them to make offers that cater to you (because of cookies) but it's still creepy.
And reveals that the friendly smiling Addisons have a dark side, a side where they're eager to cooperate with murderers.
1:21:46 the tree from chapter one is sketched on the wall. this directly ties spamton to the egg man, and spamton neo (in pacifist route) has obvious gaster symbolism that susie points out (puppets, strings, hands, darkness). this is a direct tie between gaster and the tree man - actual evidence that says that the guy behind the tree was gaster himself.
* The room between... there is a room between.
Wait, it's a tree?
@@sharonv3597 yeah lol
I’m thinking Gaster is going to be the last secret boss or something like that, he keeps showing up and I feel like he has to be relevant in deltarune somehow! Maybe he’s controlling the secret bosses (spamton and Jevil) for some mysterious plan.
Gamers: Why you made this route?
Toby Fox: Why you chose this route?
Gamers: .......
1:26:40 just... that tune is literally spine chilling and always gives me the creeps
Deltarune fans when they see a ring in a jewelry shop
*INTERNAL SCREAMING*
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Get It.
deltarune fans when they see snow on graves
I wonder who froze all the puzzles before Noelle and Kris even got to some of the areas, though... (During the Genocide run, it was Flowey's vines having 'solved' all of them)
My theory is that as Noelle "gets stronger", her ice magic starts to spread further as well. It starts as just freezing the enemies but eventually, it ends up covering up the environment environment as well.
I wonder if anything special happens if you abort the Snowgrave route during the Berdly fight but you let Berdly's arm get broken later. You'd think Noelle would have some kind of reaction to that since it's strong evidence that the "dream" was real.
Right now there's just one thousand views, I have the funny feeling that they will be millions in a few days
No Just Six Thousand Lmao
@Dyr g yewe yep apparently I was wrong
*6 months later*
two hundred visitors
I am NOT doing this route myself... especially not to any Tasque. I had enough grief losing my real cat, thank you very much... I feel the same as I did with everybody in Undertale. I have no intention of killing all these characters who I grow to love so much. I just won't do it... I don't care what Flowey says.
Thanks for this though.
1:43:20 hey so like, what the hell is up with ralsie and saying "we we're supposed to-" ? Did he know how this route was supposed to go or what? Is sending the player to watch what's happening with Susie intentional?? Eh its probably a metta joke
Normally when the player watches what happens with Susie, Ralsei secretly talks to Kris.. like they don't want the player to know what they're saying. So I think it is intentional
@@Ruyven It definetly is.
@@Ruyvensneaky bastard
"didnt you know that neo is famous for its high defense?"
that one mettaton neo boss fight in undertale:
Hi Nisha, thanks for this. Wasn't expecting to find a familiar face attached to exactly what I was looking for since the final boss was thoroughly kicking my ass but I wanted to see the different content.
The the spamson NEO song I could hear mettaton NEO mad dummy and the world is revolving
So in this playthrough we groom Noelle into a murderer. Cool
..and then Suzie gaslights her into thinking it's a dream. Poor Noelle man
best part of this video is how every time something fucked up happens you pause for a few seconds like ooohh god
Thank you for doing this without commentary
It looks like the enemies are trying to run away from you… that’s kinda fucked.
The 「He doesn't seem to be awake」 part at the library with Berdly seriously creeped me out.
Players: TOBY WHY DID YOU CREATE THIS ROUTE!? ITS SO WEIRD TF!
Also Toby: *Then why did you activate this route!? ARE YOU CRAZY?*
What happens if you say to berdly "I'm protecting her from you" ?
The route gets aborted and Noelle thinks that everything you done was a joke to mess up with Berdly.
So you end fighting him normally and proceed with a neutral run
@@GreenLoonie almost right, Berdly's fight is the same as the neutral run but he doesn't seem to summon those wire people
@@SuperSeasonChannel2003 I'd say it's because they're either too scared to come or frozen.
@@GreenLoonie A C T U A L L Y, she tells herself you are her friend and is protecting her (And the route gets aborted),
She thinks you are pranking Berdly if you finish his fight without using snowgrave.
This is far, *far* scarier than the genocide run of Undertale.
I think the player's ability to use Kris to control others was actually foreshadowed in the Jevil fight in Chapter 1. Using Hypnosis costs you all three turns but the text when using it (Kris stares strangely) implies that Kris is the only one actually doing anything & they just needed Susie & Ralsei to stop paying attention for a moment. Susie & Ralsei's animations do just happen to involve them looking away.
I'm not implying Kris is controlling Susie & Ralsei. They might've just told 'em to look away. I think the hypnosis itself may be the entity inside Kris using its influence on Jevil though.
1:00:14 You can force Noelle to do this puzzle for you
how)
@@jasmineb8257 keep walking down, when theres options "sorry, i'll do the puzzle" and "proceed" keep choosing proceed.
@@vilmavenla 👍thanks
Snowgrave with Noelle:
Player: hell yeah its so ez
End:
Spamton Neo: give your ass… now! (Dead)
I love how in the snowgrave route, some of the enemies will run away from you (in the overworld) because they are aware of the danger they’re in.
1:19:02 That kind of looked like a smile which surprised me for a little moment but then noticed it was just the fence.
1:53:27 Nice sync
2:08:59 Swatch is still here! :O
I'm also curious of the other dialogue choices.
And why the "traffic stopping switches" were frozen before Noelle got there.
1:08:41 - The game officially recognizes you're decidedly on the Snowgrave Route, and the music changes from "Welcome to the City" to "It's Cold in the City". Not a point of no return, but it's here where it becomes blatantly obvious that you're focusing on killing everyone. And the tone shifts with the music.
1:34:11 holy shit. Pipis room
Where's all the pipis?
Aawweeeeyeeahhh!
That meme hits different when Google translate says pipis means pee
The stuff spamton says during his battle here hits different knowing his backstory-
Noelle having intrusive thoughts about hurting kris tho 😲
Spamton diddn't have enough Kromer.
He went broke.
oh my god thanks for uploading this bc god knows i couldn't do it myself.. this is terrifying but its so well done
2:11:56 the music gave me BAD Sayonara vibes and I don’t like it
oh god. could you imagine Doki Doki Literature Club written by Toby? especially with all the alternate routes you can take in the game. just imagine the way he’d write that.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got the sayonara vibes T_T
@@johnnypeepants. Imagine like, Sayori as Noelle
I gotta say, that was a pretty impressive run good job
This game is WILD.
I love this route, not as much as i love the wholesome normal route, but turning the world on its head and corrupting her like this is..idk its interesting and unique in a macbe and dark sorta way
Wait a sec... On spamton neo's defence phase, it says "but nobody came..." Reminds me of a gen-
KEYgen
-and yes i know what you meant i just saw an opportunity for funni and took it-
*sans music*
I don’t know why but it felt so eerie when Susie check Noelle’s room, the lack of music and just wind blowing, this game always has music popping off, but now, it’s so desolate. Not to mention Ralsei continuously questioning about how Noelle and Berdley are as she gets no response, and starts to panic when Susie says let’s go. Kris knows what happens and can’t say it to anyone. It just makes Berdley’s death feel more grim
anyone gonna talk about how perfectly synced this is at 1:53:26
I still can't believe I actually played through all of that, in retrospect it's so mortifying
I love how they straight up made ralsei’s attack sparkles
HOLY- THAT'S SNOWGRAVE!?
I find this bit at 1:46:27 so creepy. Like queen is normally a jokey, flamboyant, comic relief character, but here she says something so serious and poetic, it's so out of character. And the darker darker bit like 👌👌👌
[SPAMTON]: DONT YOU KNOW [Neo] IS KNOWN FOR ITS GREAT DEFENSE?
Mettaton NEO:
1:53:27 Those shots tho, sick beats
The end of the neo spamton boss fight is. horrifying.
Every time you choose to call for help, it always says *Kris* calls for [name]
but when its Noelle, it switches to *You*
instead of using snowgrave attack, I used the other freeze attack and I probably have to start the entire game over
You do.
Or just use a save from here
oh my fucking god you already know i'm rewatching this for the new lore
waitt what do you mean
everyone here is either depressed, meming, or a disproportinate mixture of the two. im depressed
Feel like no one mentioned how horrible Kris feels for being forced to do these horrible acts on innocent people they know. Like we're monsters dawg
In Deltarune, you can do anything! You can spare everyone, kill everyone…make everybody depressed…or…turn the neighbour’s kid…into…a serial…killer…with…no regard for…anyone’s…life…
I've done a lot of terrible things while gaming but this is by far one of the most rotten.
Love your thoroughness! Thanks for uploading!
I just found out that this room at 1:48:46 is completely absent from any other normal route, which is weird because Its layout is definitely supposed to be reminiscent of a similar room right before the Fountain in Chapter 1, so it has a reason to be there for consistency. I wonder if it was going to be in normal gameplay, but was scrapped and added in Snowgrave just to give you a save before the Spamton Neo battle.
This is more fucking traumatizing than genocide undertale
Don't know if it's better or worse that this is how I experienced ch2 for the first time. ...and had to reset because I picked the kinder option of "noelle and I are just friends". *God.*
1:25:12 story, so ı was fïghting berdly and dıdnt know ı had to defend, so ı used iceshock on him but that kicked me out of the snowgrave route with berdly saying ı defeated him and ı ruıned it