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Just a reminder, decisions in previous chapters can impact things that happen in future chapters, even if they currently "don't matter". Take, for instance, telling Noelle about Susie eating chalk in chapter 1. It was irrelevant and funny then, but it changed a short interaction in chapter 2! I think a lot more of those will come up in future chapters, which is why I made this video. Did I make the most evil save possible? I think so. To correct the evil I've put out into this world, my next Deltarune video will be creating the BEST save possible. I need some eye bleach. Has anyone cleared the entire pipis room?
1. You can say "Your parents are horrible" to Catti in Chapter 2. 2. Beat every available opponent in Dojo. 3. Talk with Alphys after getting chocolates and say they are not for her, then proceed to Sans' and sell them. 4. Say "My sleep has decreased because of Susie" to Alphys at the beggining of Chapter 2. 5. Defeat "Ms. Pipis" enemy.
Pretty sure it's "Your parents are weird" and Catti will agree. It's also "Lost sleep from Susie being my partner" or something very similar and Alphys mentions they said it with "no negative intonation at all", so that's not a good one either.
It's interesting that the second egg room is locked off in the Snowgrave route. As if the man that would usually give you the egg is disgusted with your acts and thinks that you are undeserving of his egg now.
A counterpoint to your theory about the ending to Deltarune overall: Notice how when you befriend monsters, their stats are all listed prominently? My theory is a Psychopath Route party defeats the titans with their own Trauma Powers, but a Pacifist Route party defeats the titans with their actual freaking army.
Yeah there must be a reason why we can recruit them in the first place. Like, they aren't just living there because "we're good guys so we let them in" or smth. We recruit them as our army which means they will have to fight when needed.
@@jelm3006 not instantly, just slowly. I could imagine the last beast in the roaring be the one that destroys you through pure power. With either your army being fully formed into stone or your now leveled up lighteners being killed off while attempting to fight it off.
Hey Chiken, there’s a Fun little easter egg, that when you equip thornring, and go back a bit (dont fight berdly) you can find these mice, and when you use snowgrave spell they dont freeze, or they dont get Lost. They die. And that’s implying that berdly is dead, not in coma.
@@Chiken actually, seeing Burghley dead is what got me thinking. In the game theory, when only chapter one was out, they speculate that kris is just running a DnD game with the pieces you see on the floor, but it's probably more than that. Noelle's watch can move, and burghley (obviously) is dead. However, lancer and rouxls still appear as cards in the town, all the pieces from chapter one are people as well, and everyone who experienced the funky new world said it was like a dream, and Noelle believes Susie when she says that it IS a dream - unlike if they were actually being transported, or playing DnD. So it's like... some power of your soul, to create a mental world for these people to go to? That would explain how the maice die, if it's in a mental world, and how burghley is simply slumped on the desk instead of being a burgh-sicle.
@@megamiana-spaceforcecomman705 I think Maus will actually be killed because he's a being created from the dark fountain, while burghley's conciousness is being projected. It could be different, but I'm pretty sure burghley is either in a coma or just empty shell.
6:40 Yes, there's a video of someone clearing every single Pipis is the Pipis room. You don't get anything for it, and they all re-appear if you leave and enter the room again. 7:24 You can actually safely talk to Nubert without him returning in the end. He will only come if you get every single recruit possible. Queen even mentions it if you only save a few people, something like "Nubert said he would only come if everyone else did".
Glad I'm not the only one "pre heating" route saves so to speak. I'm doing true pacifist and awful obviously but I'm also going a "fight everything, but no snowgrave" route.
I NEEDED something else to do in the meantime!! Based on the steam description, I think we might be onto something - this game almost definitely won't have just one ending, haha.
@@Chiken ive also made it a point to differentiate my switch and ps4 saves, so some of these routes are identical except I don't do anything in the real world, including hording eggs and stuff like that. Its very fun and gives me a reason to replay the game a bunch of times.
5:18 you don't have to interract with this door to do snowgrave since this door makes Noelle feel nostaligic, do not interract with it to be even more asshole
Idea to more of a jerk to Rudy, interact with the sink in the bottom left of his room. Chapter 1 and he'll ask if they sink is more important than him or something like that. Yes Rudy, it is. In Chapter 2, do the same thing, and he'll call back to you doing that in Chapter 1 saying Rudy 0 Sink 2. Like it should be.
@@emrekalayci3578 Did the same thing but it makes sense. Better safe than spreading germs, especially to people who are hospitalized. Sorry Rudy! It's safer this way!
4:30 So this little hole in the wall essentially is a "drop off" point for any Shadow Crystals or Extra Boss items that you somehow misplace. I see in the comments that you know you beat Jevil in your first file, so what *probably* happened was that you beat Chapter 1, loaded the save, went back and beat Jevil, but did not go back to your bed to sleep to "finish" chapter 1 again. When you sleep in your bed at the end of Chapter 1, it creates "completion data" which is the file that's actually carried over to Chapter 2. If you go back and do stuff in Chapter 1, you have to sleep at your bed again to update the end-chapter data. If, when you load Chapter 2, you do not have a Jevil item in your inventory, the hole contains whichever Jevil item you most recently obtained in ANY of your saves. I find this incredibly interesting that Toby put in such a feature. These items must be very important for the future of the story.
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I actually killed all the pipis when I first did the snowgrave route, and I got something amazing: The regret of expending like half an hour repeating the same fight over and over for absolutely nothing
this is really helpful because im trying to create savefiles for a true evil, neutral, and true pacifist ending edit: 5:53, you dont actually have to say its natural, you can say its horrible and still be on track for snowgrave route, which i think that it is the response that makes the route worse since youre basically saying that killing others is okay, but killing kris is awful
@@ethanhampl1520 and the genocide players didnt destroy the world chara did yes the players killed everyone but it was chara who destroyed the world after we kill flowey
[There is one thing I noticed that you missed: you can use Undyne's chocolates at the counter in Sans' shop to sell them for $5 instead of giving them to Alphys.]
I reckon the neutral route will be the ‘better’ route, because most people won’t do it. Recruit no people for whatever Ralsei’s secret army is for, but also don’t harm your friends like in the weird routes. But also ultimately all the ways you get to the end will all have their good and bad points.
Ralsei's army can't be for attacking/occupying the light world because one, darkners become their real-world items and two, they like the Lightners such as Kris + Susie. But I still think he's creating an army! I really wanna know Ralsei's motives.
@@MailMainbutnot additionally, if you buy into the tea theory, it is shown that he has a genuinely positive opinion of both Kris and Susie, and isn’t just putting on a front
3 things you missed 1: take Undyne’s chocolate for Alphys and sell it to Sans for money/eat it yourself 2: before going to the library, go to the dojo in hometown and beat the living crap out of every opponent 3: (optional) call yourself “shi” so that the city is called shitown
@@lubieplacki2772 yea that's cuz you only get challenges of your recruits, for example, you have to recruit tasque manager to get the tasque manager challenge, and you have to recruit everyone (including tasque manager and mauswheel) to get the ch2 all stars challenge
I get that Toby Fox loves subverting expectations, and is definitely already subverting some expectations that were built from the previous game. But I don't think he would go so far as to undermine or completely reject the main theme of Undertale, which is the benefit of pacifism. I think Deltarune might provide a devils advocate story that might add some more nuance to the themes. Like when the King in the last game couldn't be befriended with pacifism. But I definitely don't think Toby would fully reward the "evil" routes of the game by making it the only way to save the world. I'm still confident that the pacifist route is going to lead to the best ending. But it might not be totally without some double edged sword.
yeah the pacifist ending will probably be something like a ultra hard fight but in the end someone like ralsei sacrifices himself for the greater good and then they win. and the genocide would be that the real threat arent the titans and such but the player or someone else like gaster who gave us control over kris. I hope the next chapters dont take 2+ years to release tho I will be out of university and with a job by the time the game is finished if thats the case
@@sebagomez4647 well, in undertale your reward for pacifist is that you're dont fight ultra hard enemies, + on pacifist you dont became stronger, so dying from 1 hit is...
@@sebagomez4647it's looking like chapters 3-5 won't be done till mid to late 2024, and assuming chapters 6-7 take about as long they won't be done until at least 2026. And that's assuming there's only 7 chapters since there is filedata that points toward the possibility of there being upwards of 11 chapters potentially. Best case scenario it'll be done in 2026, worst case scenario it won't be done until around the early 2030s.
Knowing Toby and his story-telling, "The Roaring" is either heavily exaggerated or it's completely fabricated and something else happens, or nothing happens at all when the conditions for "The Roaring" are met.
Probably yeah. The info about the dark world that we currently have is fake as hell anyhow, because cyber city provably existed before its fountain was opened.
actually, if you die and press no, it says "then the world will be covered in darkness" or something like that, so i think it's safe to assume that the roaring actually can happen.
oh come on, it feels obvious Toby wouldn't do "be violent to get a good ending", subverting expectations isn't his main goal duh I mean like wasn't it obvious he enjoys non-violent stories with good endings? Feels ridiculous to assume we should do genocide to win good ending lol the roaring will likely happen (as it's typical scenario to define bad situation everyone tries not to let happen and then let it happen for everyone to fight the ultimate threat, and just never making it happen wouldn't work as a good plot climax - something big will happen anyway), but it seems logical we'll get sort of neutral or bad ending after bad routes if there will be several at all.
Yeah, this. I really don't like these super bleak, dark, and pessimistic predictions. This is an undertale spin off, guys. Toby's favorite game is one where the player ends up being directly instrumental in defeating the final boss. He said he wants us to become friends with everyone! He clearly thinks of fictional characters as something more than fiction, and his games basically have no 4th wall. I don't think the guy has it in him to make your ending choices "everyone happy but then die" or "everyone mindbroken but then live". He's similar in many ways, but he's not Yoko Taro, he's not gonna subvert your expectations at the expense of his characters' happiness unless you're punished for it. This isn't Nier or Drakengard. And even in that case, Taro's become less and less able to just destroy his characters like that! Both Automata and the Replicant remake have a 5th, much more hopeful ending! The expectations that are gonna be subverted are these people's.
real ending: either doing pacifist or pipis route a specific white dog will cover the screen with dogresidue, and as the dog cover your screen it will lag, lagger yet lagger. then deltarune will crash
@@afaresfors What if this but it happens right before the last chapter, and the game will only continue on to the last one on a non-big meanie route, which is why there's only one ending?????
@@ElectricBarrier after continuing on to chapter 7, you are in castle town, but when you try going out of ralsei's castle, The door is locked. your bedroom, susie's bedroom, lancer's bedroom, every single door has been locked. you can't do anything but enter the middle door. after you ride the elevator, you entered a room with a single white dog. dogtheme plays and you can't do anything but stare at the white dog comfortably.
@@afaresfors Final boss is Dog. Dog cannot be beaten. Dog cannot be fought. If you wait for 3 hours, Dog will tell you. You must leave them be. You must leave them to save their OWN world, and focus on yours. If you really care about them, you'll put aside your desire to see more story. Just like in undertale, you shouldn't sacrifice their safety for the sake of more. Leave, and don't come back. Fondly remember them, but let them go. And then... a ghost came and pooted on your face!
2:36 Don't forget to beat up Susie, too, especially since she'll be rejoining your party afterwards! 2:46 There's implications Kris might like eating the moss. So maybe don't do this? 3:54 You just gave Kris's impoverished dad extra food when all he had before was a pickle. (& it's implied he gets those for free.) Maybe don't do this? 6:32 Lol. I think I get that reference. 7:27 Lol. Fun run & analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
On one hand, eating the moss will slowly feed Kris's gluttony and greed *but* it perpetuates the cycle On another hand, not eating the moss doesn't perpetuate the cycle, but Krisp starves. Ehhh don't gotta worry 'bout your vessel, it's not you
in terms of your theory I have a feeling the only way to 'save' the world will be either through a True Weird Route, where you make everyone as powerful as possible, or through a True Pacifist Route where you Save all of the Darkners and Ralsei commands them as a giant army to sacrifice themselves to save the world. Either way, the Darkners will likely perish, but the Light world will be saved in the process. It'll really hit home the "your actions dont matter" motto, while also giving two completely different perspectives on the same ending.
Just gonna tell you that Nubert only appears in your town if you recruit *EVERY. SINGLE. DARKNER.* in chapter 2. If you make even *ONE* run away by attacking it, bam, Nubert is not coming. So, even in a neutral route where you don't kill everyone but do fight some of them, Nubert will be nowhere to be seen.
@@auburned-phoenix I think yes, you need to fight the enemies and end the combat acting or using pacify, also you can check in any save point the recruits you have
@@auburned-phoenix For Nubert to appear, you need to, not only spare all the enemies you encounter, but make sure that you spared them enough times so that you recruit them. For example: Werewerewire just needs to be spared once to be recruited. Werewire needs to be spared 6 times to be recruited. So basically, if you somehow dodge a Werewire that was going to be your 6th spared Werewire, then you will not get Nubert.
its been such a delightful arc to see you go from “i just played undertale for the first time!” to months later having guide videos up & having theories about the lore & stuff bc like. playing UT & immediately diving this deep into it is entirely relatable lmao
8:10 I agree 100% that if you don't intervene with the secret bosses, that you will have a bad ending.. Sounds like a toby fox thing to do I think snowgrave would be more of a pyschopathic ending of everyone fighting YOU.. the Player and a boss defeat route would probably be a true ending, who knows? The roaring will probably happen
honestly going off your theory I think a more neutral version of the route, if having to commit to weird route's is essential to stopping the roaring, where you commit to training up the team through these god awful routes but outside of where its essential try to be kind and pacifistic to those you can would be the best ending for the game, where as neutral routes are barely even a thought you have compared to true pacifist or genocide a sorta "do what you must" route may end up being the best, most memorable ending for deltarune. With the sadistic violence and pacifist being the most heart wrenching. I agree its possible that having to do the most violent options for the game may be what needs to happen to save everyone (though i dont like the idea of having to do so) I don't think Toby and the team would make the ending so....sour, I guess. We'll see what happens though. Darker yet darker and all that.
When you seal the fountain, your LV (not LOVE) reaches the same as you would have defeating enemies with violence, because the party have limits of stats increment, except for Noelle, so it doesn’t matter if you fighted or spared, you will be the same strong (sorry for my bad english, i am learning)
It's an interesting prediction you're making, but I 100% disagree. Toby doesn't really like to subvert expectations - Undertale, you play Pacifist, you get a wholesome, great ending. You play Genocide, you get a dark, scary ending... to the point where it even taints a future Pacifist ending a little. I would be shocked if the Pacifist run ends with a "bad" ending... and equally shocked if the Snowgrave route + other kind of Genocidey-bits in other chapters lead to a "good" ending. That would just be very off-brand for Toby.
Yes but that was for Undertale. The description for Deltarune says that we don't have choices, so I'm positive he is going to change the formula for this game
Honestly. You’re talking to the #1 Onionsan fan from Undertale, haha. I went back and talked to him about everything he could talk about in Waterfall, being mean to him is excruciating :(
The most evil thing one can do to the guy is to give him the name "disgusting". I actually wonder if the diffrent options to make him vanish from the game are all sharing one flag in the savefile or if they have multiple tho, because they all do the same thing.
I think approaching Noelle in the Hospital is worse for Kris because now they know their childhood friend is terrified of them. And Kris has no idea why we're approaching Noelle make them just as terrified as Noelle
Noelle: did you follow susie's footsteps into becoming a BIGSHOT Kris: on a scale to 1-1000 yes Noelle: but at what greater cost? Kris: my humanity and your sanity
dayum, this guy caught every small detail there is, even not asking nubert for permission for his treasure... how could you do such a thing to nubert you monster
I think pacifist/neutral DOES have one trump card that could let us take down the titans without corrupting everyone into super-powerful killing machines: The megazord we used against Giga Queen. Just gotta get everyone together again, get Berdly to make another of those statues, repair the thrash machine, and we can use it again.
Finally watched this! Turns out I already did the majority, even doing Snowgrave again just to get rid of Berdly, but there were still some things I didn't know about. That hospital alternative is chilling... (pun now intended).
8:30, But at the same time, You also lose a potential ally, I personally think of it as a system of "One for all or all for one" will be happening, Where you either have the power of many normal allies to help you, Everybody supporting you, Or very few allies with extraordinary power but nobody behind their backs to support you
@@Chiken i have a question do u really think deltarune tracks the save bc i dont wanna backup my files and when i reload them i get the dogcheck lol i mean this IS toby fox
I actually think the roaring is gonna happen regardless, and you’re gonna stop it, but in pacifist, you do it with the power of the friends you made, but in the snowgrave and future chapters equivalent of it (If there is any) you do it with the brute force of the 6 (+you) people you manipulated into becoming the strongest versions of themselves. And for each of the three titans, 2 of the manipulated people could fight one at once, and Kris would fight alongside all of them, but in pacifist it’s the main three and the friends are just there for moral support.
I love that theory at the end of the video, it's just, so fucking likely to happen, I mean, after you beat the roaring titans you may even get a cutscene where all the ones you killed are revived by the darkness and you get the happiest ending ever like in true pacifist, just to confuse the player. Then the game reveals you; " Your choices actually matter, even if others said opposite" I hope this ages well
two more evil acts for your evil save!! -sell undyne’s chocolates to sans -drop the trash ball once you get it in chapter two, before the dark world. the game *really* doesn’t like this one. the flavor text gave me a pit in my stomach its great
4:31 You can actually go back to bed and immediately end up in the Cyber World ditching Susie entirely. Her and Ralsei probably come back, but I haven’t seen what happens after you do that.
4:35 I didn't even fight jevil and that happened. i beat him for jevilstail when I was replaying, still happened. So jevils irrelevant unless you get his items from the hole. Also nubert doesn't come if you don't recruit everyone. Even if you just kill a single werewire nuberts not there edit: beat jevil a while ago but the point still stands.
1. You can say "Your parents are horrible" to Catti in Chapter 2. 2. Beat every available opponent in Dojo. 3. Talk with Alphys after getting chocolates and say they are not for her, then proceed to Sans' and sell them. 4. Say "My sleep has decreased because of Susie" to Alphys at the beggining of Chapter 2. 5. Defeat "Ms. Pipis" enemy. I know someone already posted this. I am typing this so that I'll remember when I do this route
Heres a few things you may have forgotten to do: Make Spamton Neo inraged by holding down a fire button, then pressing another. Let the Dogs escape the jail. Throw the box of heart candies on the floor in front of Alphys.
I did indeed clear the entire Pipis room.. At 1:30 AM like a psychopath. Nothing of major note seemed to happen but I was MUCH too tired to keep trying to murder every single pipis I ran into after the pipis maze. So there's a small chance I ruined it.
8:00 it's an interesting theory, but I think it'll only be a mix of what you said. Of course the Normal route will be bitter sweet, at best. Be it a success in only so much of a few ways like Undertale's plethora of ones, just managing to succeed while leaving people in a sad shape afterwards. Or maybe an outright fail due to the weaker characters, as you say. But 7 chapters of people being Pacifist and feel good moments, character developments, deep connections and all that, only to end with the Roaring happening anyway? And the only alternative is to be a asshole to everyone you made friends with along the way to squeak out a win? Nah. Toby likes subverting expectations, but that would be a shitty surprise, putting in plot twists that compromise the uplifting nature of a Pacifist route wouldn't be something he'd do in my eyes. I do however like the idea of a form of Weird Route where Noelle, and many other people in the future, are corrupted and do the bad endings of their respective chapters. Thus, somehow beating the Roaring by having dark realised powers. A Bad Ending, but not a Dead Ending. I absolutely am on board with this theory in terms of the Weird Route, but I imagine the Pacifist has its own road.
@@tedtubegaming it would probably-but at this point that initial line has sort of been rendered mute as, well, Noelle can either be shy and cute, or cold and murderous whichever one we pick. So 'our choices don't matter' isn't exact or overpowering in my eyes.
@@AmonTheWitch I can remember when I expected "kill or be killed" to actually be true and for it to be really hard to be pacifistic. It was really strange when no, not really.
4:03 there actually is dialogue every 3 toilet flushes you do, with toriel getting annoyed. i think you need to flush like 12 times to hear all the dialogue
I would lose it if we got to the final boss battle and the Snowgrave route team just absolutely wrecks some massive titans with one shot looool. Talk about subverting expectations, everyone thinks there's gonna be a "Sans of Deltarune" hahaha.
That end part about toby subverting expectations: I have a different take on that: that Snowgrave and other related things will actually not change the main story at all. As unlikely as it is, it’s totally a toby thing to do
I think your doomed pacifist route theory is really interesting but I think that another interesting option is that you can get a good ending through either route - your choices don't matter - but to get a good ending you'll need some serious intervention or perseverance. In the non-pacifist route that intervention comes in the form of genocide & snowgrave. But in the pacifist route, something about it - whether the fights themselves or whatever you do to intervene - is so much more difficult it may even be easier to get a 'good' ending through snowgrave and its subsequent route
i think not a lot people are recognizing that when you kill everyone in chapter 1 (or a few?) in the end the enemies don't really want to help you/be on your side but when you're all nie and sparing everyone they help you after (or during? can't remember anymore it has been years lmao) the boss fight. i love that litttle detail so much it shows me okay there IS a choice somehow... until snowgrave happened and it was really obvious. Anyways thanks for this video
The weird white guy on the left of Castle Town was there for me even though I didnt kill jevil and don't think I even continued from my chapter 1 save file
Just a reminder, decisions in previous chapters can impact things that happen in future chapters, even if they currently "don't matter". Take, for instance, telling Noelle about Susie eating chalk in chapter 1. It was irrelevant and funny then, but it changed a short interaction in chapter 2! I think a lot more of those will come up in future chapters, which is why I made this video.
Did I make the most evil save possible? I think so. To correct the evil I've put out into this world, my next Deltarune video will be creating the BEST save possible. I need some eye bleach.
Has anyone cleared the entire pipis room?
I’ve cleared it, nothing happens. And when you leave and go back they just respawn.
@@karmashark6260 Maaaaaaan that's sad.
I know
@@karmashark6260 glad we had this talk
you could pretend to be onions friend but then name it "disgusting"
someone ACTUALLY cleared the entire pipis room, y'know, like a psychopath
What happened??
@@Chiken nothing, when they left the room it just reset
@@Chiken the only inportant thing it's a secret enemy that can apear, "ms.pipis" the original pipi
litterally nothing happened lol
@@ingame_yourself you dont need to clear the room for that to happen
1. You can say "Your parents are horrible" to Catti in Chapter 2.
2. Beat every available opponent in Dojo.
3. Talk with Alphys after getting chocolates and say they are not for her, then proceed to Sans' and sell them.
4. Say "My sleep has decreased because of Susie" to Alphys at the beggining of Chapter 2.
5. Defeat "Ms. Pipis" enemy.
Pretty sure it's "Your parents are weird" and Catti will agree. It's also "Lost sleep from Susie being my partner" or something very similar and Alphys mentions they said it with "no negative intonation at all", so that's not a good one either.
You can also steal money from Asriel's drawer.
@@D_YellowMadness yeah chicken said that
I also feel fighting jevil at least makes him happy don't do that.
@@TomatoRadio yes jevil hates being tired and loves chaos
This is great and all but you forgot about giving Undyne's Chocolates/gift to Alphys to Sans for money that is just truly terrible.
I DIDNT KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT LOOOOL
i just ate it
@@MrcreeperDXD777 I love chocolate, I’m gonna eat it
@@MrcreeperDXD777 give me some
If you eat them in front of Susie, you share them with her
Both scenarios, you actually lose 1 hp in the real world.
many people have killed every pipis in the room, but the reward is every pipis respawning when you re-enter the room
But what about avoiding them like the plague
@@Autokendo17 then you get through the room???
That's the point of the room in the first place 🤦
fun fact: the rudinn in castle town in chapter 2 is gonna call it "ASSHOLETown" in this run because of the "your own name"
I called myself speedrun that rudin called it SPEEDRUNtown
@@freshi254 if it's a speedrun why would you waste time talking to an NPC
@@STB4G cause the game is technically finished when you're at the dark world?
@@FyodorDostoevsky937 do you have iq
@@STB4G I didnt
It's interesting that the second egg room is locked off in the Snowgrave route. As if the man that would usually give you the egg is disgusted with your acts and thinks that you are undeserving of his egg now.
*you are not worthy*
Why does " you do not deserve the egg " sound so funny
you will not have a egg in these trying times
"I gave you my egg, and this is how you repay me?!" Sounds like a great setup for a fight
@@skorupigo5544 **The man behind the tree blocks the way!*
A counterpoint to your theory about the ending to Deltarune overall:
Notice how when you befriend monsters, their stats are all listed prominently? My theory is a Psychopath Route party defeats the titans with their own Trauma Powers, but a Pacifist Route party defeats the titans with their actual freaking army.
That would explain why Toby said the ending is "the same". Different methods, same result.
Yeah there must be a reason why we can recruit them in the first place.
Like, they aren't just living there because "we're good guys so we let them in" or smth. We recruit them as our army which means they will have to fight when needed.
That's not possible. Ralsei states that "The Roaring" would petrify the darkners
@@jelm3006 not instantly, just slowly. I could imagine the last beast in the roaring be the one that destroys you through pure power.
With either your army being fully formed into stone or your now leveled up lighteners being killed off while attempting to fight it off.
Imagine getting to play Pokémon with all of the castle town members and their "types"
Hey Chiken, there’s a Fun little easter egg, that when you equip thornring, and go back a bit (dont fight berdly) you can find these mice, and when you use snowgrave spell they dont freeze, or they dont get Lost. They die. And that’s implying that berdly is dead, not in coma.
OH SHIT THAT'S BIG. Thanks for sharing! I've learned a ton through the comment section of this video lol
@@Chiken actually, seeing Burghley dead is what got me thinking. In the game theory, when only chapter one was out, they speculate that kris is just running a DnD game with the pieces you see on the floor, but it's probably more than that. Noelle's watch can move, and burghley (obviously) is dead. However, lancer and rouxls still appear as cards in the town, all the pieces from chapter one are people as well, and everyone who experienced the funky new world said it was like a dream, and Noelle believes Susie when she says that it IS a dream - unlike if they were actually being transported, or playing DnD.
So it's like... some power of your soul, to create a mental world for these people to go to? That would explain how the maice die, if it's in a mental world, and how burghley is simply slumped on the desk instead of being a burgh-sicle.
Maus is a darkner and Berdley is a lightner though. Could still be different.
@@megamiana-spaceforcecomman705 I think Maus will actually be killed because he's a being created from the dark fountain, while burghley's conciousness is being projected. It could be different, but I'm pretty sure burghley is either in a coma or just empty shell.
@epic gamer
* Wait Is That Not His Name
* Lmao
* What Was It Again Kris
You tell the Queen his name is Berdly
"Do not talk to nubert" this is the evilest thing he has done
6:40
Yes, there's a video of someone clearing every single Pipis is the Pipis room. You don't get anything for it, and they all re-appear if you leave and enter the room again.
7:24
You can actually safely talk to Nubert without him returning in the end. He will only come if you get every single recruit possible. Queen even mentions it if you only save a few people, something like "Nubert said he would only come if everyone else did".
You do get a surprise when miss pipis appears
@@gabrielc7861 you don't need to clean the entire room tho
@@Getioror6211 odds are you do, and maybe even twice if your lucky.
@@gabrielc7861 ok
@@gabrielc7861 i got a miss pipis before but i accidentally killed it. what happens?
Glad I'm not the only one "pre heating" route saves so to speak. I'm doing true pacifist and awful obviously but I'm also going a "fight everything, but no snowgrave" route.
I NEEDED something else to do in the meantime!! Based on the steam description, I think we might be onto something - this game almost definitely won't have just one ending, haha.
@@Chiken ive also made it a point to differentiate my switch and ps4 saves, so some of these routes are identical except I don't do anything in the real world, including hording eggs and stuff like that. Its very fun and gives me a reason to replay the game a bunch of times.
The "fight everything, but no snowgrave" route should be called the "passive aggressive" route
@@Banjoei i like calling it "violence route"
Same, i did aborted snowgrave so I could get the thorn ring for thorn sword
5:18 you don't have to interract with this door to do snowgrave
since this door makes Noelle feel nostaligic, do not interract with it to be even more asshole
As far as I know yeah, you only need to go back to freeze the enemies there
@@EndertheDragon0922 if u do it it reminds here of dess SO do it make her feel terrible
Idea to more of a jerk to Rudy, interact with the sink in the bottom left of his room. Chapter 1 and he'll ask if they sink is more important than him or something like that. Yes Rudy, it is. In Chapter 2, do the same thing, and he'll call back to you doing that in Chapter 1 saying Rudy 0 Sink 2. Like it should be.
What a psychopath…
lmfao
I accidentally did that on pacifist lmao
@@emrekalayci3578 Did the same thing but it makes sense. Better safe than spreading germs, especially to people who are hospitalized. Sorry Rudy! It's safer this way!
Holy shit
4:30 So this little hole in the wall essentially is a "drop off" point for any Shadow Crystals or Extra Boss items that you somehow misplace. I see in the comments that you know you beat Jevil in your first file, so what *probably* happened was that you beat Chapter 1, loaded the save, went back and beat Jevil, but did not go back to your bed to sleep to "finish" chapter 1 again.
When you sleep in your bed at the end of Chapter 1, it creates "completion data" which is the file that's actually carried over to Chapter 2. If you go back and do stuff in Chapter 1, you have to sleep at your bed again to update the end-chapter data.
If, when you load Chapter 2, you do not have a Jevil item in your inventory, the hole contains whichever Jevil item you most recently obtained in ANY of your saves.
I find this incredibly interesting that Toby put in such a feature. These items must be very important for the future of the story.
I think it always defaults to Jevilstail, not sure though
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[BIGSHOT] move indeed
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* I COULD EVEN BE A [[tiny]] BIT [[genorisity]]...
* AND THROW IN [[just a sprinkle of]]...
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* YOU WANT SOME [[hyperlink blocked]] DON;T YOU SCARFY?
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ACCEPT DEAL DO NOT
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@@shadsilhouette110 * HEY HEY HEY!
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@@krsvi713 ♥ Yes No
I actually killed all the pipis when I first did the snowgrave route, and I got something amazing:
The regret of expending like half an hour repeating the same fight over and over for absolutely nothing
this is really helpful because im trying to create savefiles for a true evil, neutral, and true pacifist ending
edit: 5:53, you dont actually have to say its natural, you can say its horrible and still be on track for snowgrave route, which i think that it is the response that makes the route worse since youre basically saying that killing others is okay, but killing kris is awful
That'a so narcistic and selfish. I love it
CRAP! I wanted to say that, but I didn’t know if it would ruin the run.
I thing "it's natural" is more evil imo
“It’s natural” = kill or be killed
“It’s horrible” = ????? Bruh
@@wildfire9280 “it’s horrible” = You are a hypocrite 😂
him: pacifist players will die cuz the titans are srong
Me, remembering how frisk faced god and won: *are you sure about that*
The hyper god of death and destruction I might add
@@HOL457 yup
Remember how genocide players destroyed the entire world
@@ethanhampl1520 after being destroyed several times by the weakest enemy
@@ethanhampl1520 and the genocide players didnt destroy the world chara did yes the players killed everyone but it was chara who destroyed the world after we kill flowey
[There is one thing I noticed that you missed: you can use Undyne's chocolates at the counter in Sans' shop to sell them for $5 instead of giving them to Alphys.]
3:48
Flowers.... Riiight..... Can't convince me there aren't souls of innocent dead children in them, Asgore.
I reckon the neutral route will be the ‘better’ route, because most people won’t do it. Recruit no people for whatever Ralsei’s secret army is for, but also don’t harm your friends like in the weird routes. But also ultimately all the ways you get to the end will all have their good and bad points.
Ralsei's army can't be for attacking/occupying the light world because one, darkners become their real-world items and two, they like the Lightners such as Kris + Susie. But I still think he's creating an army! I really wanna know Ralsei's motives.
@@HOL457 He's hiding something, but I don't think it's anything bad. If he betrays us, it'll be a "it's for your own good" scenario.
@@HOL457 i agree with martinat, he's suspicious, but not malicious
@@MailMainbutnot additionally, if you buy into the tea theory, it is shown that he has a genuinely positive opinion of both Kris and Susie, and isn’t just putting on a front
3 things you missed
1: take Undyne’s chocolate for Alphys and sell it to Sans for money/eat it yourself
2: before going to the library, go to the dojo in hometown and beat the living crap out of every opponent
3: (optional) call yourself “shi” so that the city is called shitown
You mean the dojo? It doesn't unlock the challenge for ch2 enemies if you go Snowgrave.
@@lubieplacki2772 yea that's cuz you only get challenges of your recruits, for example, you have to recruit tasque manager to get the tasque manager challenge, and you have to recruit everyone (including tasque manager and mauswheel) to get the ch2 all stars challenge
@@lubieplacki2772 yeah but there is still clover
4. Go to QC's, talk to the owner, take the hot chocolate, and throw it away in the shop.
You can even beat up puzzle guy in the spare/pacify tutorial and still get his $1 because you technically won lol
I get that Toby Fox loves subverting expectations, and is definitely already subverting some expectations that were built from the previous game. But I don't think he would go so far as to undermine or completely reject the main theme of Undertale, which is the benefit of pacifism.
I think Deltarune might provide a devils advocate story that might add some more nuance to the themes. Like when the King in the last game couldn't be befriended with pacifism. But I definitely don't think Toby would fully reward the "evil" routes of the game by making it the only way to save the world.
I'm still confident that the pacifist route is going to lead to the best ending. But it might not be totally without some double edged sword.
yeah the pacifist ending will probably be something like a ultra hard fight but in the end someone like ralsei sacrifices himself for the greater good and then they win.
and the genocide would be that the real threat arent the titans and such but the player or someone else like gaster who gave us control over kris.
I hope the next chapters dont take 2+ years to release tho I will be out of university and with a job by the time the game is finished if thats the case
@@sebagomez4647 well, in undertale your reward for pacifist is that you're dont fight ultra hard enemies, + on pacifist you dont became stronger, so dying from 1 hit is...
Meh. We don’t really know.
@@sebagomez4647it's looking like chapters 3-5 won't be done till mid to late 2024, and assuming chapters 6-7 take about as long they won't be done until at least 2026. And that's assuming there's only 7 chapters since there is filedata that points toward the possibility of there being upwards of 11 chapters potentially.
Best case scenario it'll be done in 2026, worst case scenario it won't be done until around the early 2030s.
7:24 Nubert only comes to ur town if u recruited everyone in cyber world
also u deserve way more subs bro, ur content's so good
the reason why he doesnt have many subs is bc his channel is pretty recent
Knowing Toby and his story-telling, "The Roaring" is either heavily exaggerated or it's completely fabricated and something else happens, or nothing happens at all when the conditions for "The Roaring" are met.
Probably yeah. The info about the dark world that we currently have is fake as hell anyhow, because cyber city provably existed before its fountain was opened.
Bruh moment for deltarune lore
actually, if you die and press no, it says "then the world will be covered in darkness" or something like that, so i think it's safe to assume that the roaring actually can happen.
Now that you mention it, He Did make a Tweet about how some things don't have a Major Climax.
Imagine the roaring being a punishment for people who do these additional “genocide” like routes every single time.
oh come on, it feels obvious Toby wouldn't do "be violent to get a good ending", subverting expectations isn't his main goal duh
I mean like wasn't it obvious he enjoys non-violent stories with good endings? Feels ridiculous to assume we should do genocide to win good ending lol
the roaring will likely happen (as it's typical scenario to define bad situation everyone tries not to let happen and then let it happen for everyone to fight the ultimate threat, and just never making it happen wouldn't work as a good plot climax - something big will happen anyway), but it seems logical we'll get sort of neutral or bad ending after bad routes
if there will be several at all.
Yeah, this. I really don't like these super bleak, dark, and pessimistic predictions. This is an undertale spin off, guys. Toby's favorite game is one where the player ends up being directly instrumental in defeating the final boss. He said he wants us to become friends with everyone! He clearly thinks of fictional characters as something more than fiction, and his games basically have no 4th wall.
I don't think the guy has it in him to make your ending choices "everyone happy but then die" or "everyone mindbroken but then live". He's similar in many ways, but he's not Yoko Taro, he's not gonna subvert your expectations at the expense of his characters' happiness unless you're punished for it. This isn't Nier or Drakengard. And even in that case, Taro's become less and less able to just destroy his characters like that! Both Automata and the Replicant remake have a 5th, much more hopeful ending!
The expectations that are gonna be subverted are these people's.
real ending: either doing pacifist or pipis route a specific white dog will cover the screen with dogresidue, and as the dog cover your screen it will lag, lagger yet lagger. then deltarune will crash
@@afaresfors What if this but it happens right before the last chapter, and the game will only continue on to the last one on a non-big meanie route, which is why there's only one ending?????
@@ElectricBarrier after continuing on to chapter 7, you are in castle town, but when you try going out of ralsei's castle,
The door is locked.
your bedroom, susie's bedroom, lancer's bedroom, every single door has been locked.
you can't do anything but enter the middle door. after you ride the elevator, you entered a room with a single white dog. dogtheme plays and you can't do anything but stare at the white dog comfortably.
@@afaresfors Final boss is Dog. Dog cannot be beaten. Dog cannot be fought.
If you wait for 3 hours, Dog will tell you. You must leave them be. You must leave them to save their OWN world, and focus on yours. If you really care about them, you'll put aside your desire to see more story. Just like in undertale, you shouldn't sacrifice their safety for the sake of more. Leave, and don't come back. Fondly remember them, but let them go.
And then... a ghost came and pooted on your face!
7:36 today I learned you can walk during that dialogue
2:36 Don't forget to beat up Susie, too, especially since she'll be rejoining your party afterwards!
2:46 There's implications Kris might like eating the moss. So maybe don't do this?
3:54 You just gave Kris's impoverished dad extra food when all he had before was a pickle. (& it's implied he gets those for free.) Maybe don't do this?
6:32 Lol. I think I get that reference.
7:27 Lol.
Fun run & analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I think you need to eat moss
On one hand, eating the moss will slowly feed Kris's gluttony and greed *but* it perpetuates the cycle
On another hand, not eating the moss doesn't perpetuate the cycle, but Krisp starves. Ehhh don't gotta worry 'bout your vessel, it's not you
4:48
I saw him even when i didn't kill jevil. So thats busted.
in terms of your theory I have a feeling the only way to 'save' the world will be either through a True Weird Route, where you make everyone as powerful as possible, or through a True Pacifist Route where you Save all of the Darkners and Ralsei commands them as a giant army to sacrifice themselves to save the world. Either way, the Darkners will likely perish, but the Light world will be saved in the process. It'll really hit home the "your actions dont matter" motto, while also giving two completely different perspectives on the same ending.
And then the neutral route be like:"Dang, everything sucks. Time to discard this world and move on to the next."
@@lpfan4491 neutral a very meh army and somewhat powerfull team get crushed
Bruh moment for neutral route enjoyers
You forgot one thing: in the Spamton NEO fight, do the big shot spam glitch and make him angry
also forgot to electrocute Noelle twice
@@lyrimetacurl0 can only do that in neutral
Fun fact: I got trapped when Noelle was doing her monologue in the hospital. I had to walk towards her.
Yikes.
Just gonna tell you that Nubert only appears in your town if you recruit *EVERY. SINGLE. DARKNER.* in chapter 2. If you make even *ONE* run away by attacking it, bam, Nubert is not coming. So, even in a neutral route where you don't kill everyone but do fight some of them, Nubert will be nowhere to be seen.
Nubert wasn’t there for me either
And I didn’t fight anything, though I did manage to avoid some enemies therefore not technically recruiting them?
@@auburned-phoenix I think yes, you need to fight the enemies and end the combat acting or using pacify, also you can check in any save point the recruits you have
@@auburned-phoenix For Nubert to appear, you need to, not only spare all the enemies you encounter, but make sure that you spared them enough times so that you recruit them. For example: Werewerewire just needs to be spared once to be recruited. Werewire needs to be spared 6 times to be recruited. So basically, if you somehow dodge a Werewire that was going to be your 6th spared Werewire, then you will not get Nubert.
its been such a delightful arc to see you go from “i just played undertale for the first time!” to months later having guide videos up & having theories about the lore & stuff bc like. playing UT & immediately diving this deep into it is entirely relatable lmao
8:10 I agree 100% that if you don't intervene with the secret bosses, that you will have a bad ending.. Sounds like a toby fox thing to do
I think snowgrave would be more of a pyschopathic ending of everyone fighting YOU.. the Player
and a boss defeat route would probably be a true ending, who knows? The roaring will probably happen
You can use IceShock until the final blow, then use snowgrave. Making him suffer before he dies.
7:42 I didn’t know that. That’s actually horrible
waiting for chiken to play Pokemon Unite
Hmm.
I think I’m running some matches with a youtuber lobby soonish, we’ll see 🤔
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honestly going off your theory I think a more neutral version of the route, if having to commit to weird route's is essential to stopping the roaring, where you commit to training up the team through these god awful routes but outside of where its essential try to be kind and pacifistic to those you can would be the best ending for the game, where as neutral routes are barely even a thought you have compared to true pacifist or genocide a sorta "do what you must" route may end up being the best, most memorable ending for deltarune. With the sadistic violence and pacifist being the most heart wrenching.
I agree its possible that having to do the most violent options for the game may be what needs to happen to save everyone (though i dont like the idea of having to do so) I don't think Toby and the team would make the ending so....sour, I guess. We'll see what happens though. Darker yet darker and all that.
When you seal the fountain, your LV (not LOVE) reaches the same as you would have defeating enemies with violence, because the party have limits of stats increment, except for Noelle, so it doesn’t matter if you fighted or spared, you will be the same strong (sorry for my bad english, i am learning)
"Leave no tone unstoned as they say" - Chicken 2021
2:44 I think the worst route is actually NOT eating the moss
Yes
It's an interesting prediction you're making, but I 100% disagree. Toby doesn't really like to subvert expectations - Undertale, you play Pacifist, you get a wholesome, great ending. You play Genocide, you get a dark, scary ending... to the point where it even taints a future Pacifist ending a little. I would be shocked if the Pacifist run ends with a "bad" ending... and equally shocked if the Snowgrave route + other kind of Genocidey-bits in other chapters lead to a "good" ending. That would just be very off-brand for Toby.
Yes but that was for Undertale. The description for Deltarune says that we don't have choices, so I'm positive he is going to change the formula for this game
That was undertale. This is deltarune.
3:31 *eventually susie pacify him* ralsie:welp im susie now
4:47, I got this person on my save where I didn't kill Jevil, it might be up to chance or it might just be that this character always appears.
For what it’s worth I met the waterfall guy without ever beating jevil at any point, even in chapter 1
I just hope deltarune finishes with a showdown between the titans and the secret bosses.
Telling onionsan you dont miss him is more evil than entire snowgrave imo
Honestly. You’re talking to the #1 Onionsan fan from Undertale, haha. I went back and talked to him about everything he could talk about in Waterfall, being mean to him is excruciating :(
The most evil thing one can do to the guy is to give him the name "disgusting". I actually wonder if the diffrent options to make him vanish from the game are all sharing one flag in the savefile or if they have multiple tho, because they all do the same thing.
2:15 ok now that is most evil you are not forgiven
Toby: Undertale/Detlarune is about peace and love as in loving monsters.
Chiken: *NO*
When you fart put feel your pants get heavy 6:47
I think approaching Noelle in the Hospital is worse for Kris because now they know their childhood friend is terrified of them. And Kris has no idea why we're approaching Noelle make them just as terrified as Noelle
Noelle: did you follow susie's footsteps into becoming a BIGSHOT
Kris: on a scale to 1-1000 yes
Noelle: but at what greater cost?
Kris: my humanity and your sanity
6:37 When you do, nothing happens, the room just feels lonely
7:02 also use the big shot bug, to make Spamton angry
dayum, this guy caught every small detail there is, even not asking nubert for permission for his treasure... how could you do such a thing to nubert you monster
I have a feeling that Noelle is required to die in late snowgrave to get the thorn ring as you need it for the twisted sword in Mallius’s shop.
you can just get the thorn ring without giving it to noelle to keep it
I think pacifist/neutral DOES have one trump card that could let us take down the titans without corrupting everyone into super-powerful killing machines: The megazord we used against Giga Queen. Just gotta get everyone together again, get Berdly to make another of those statues, repair the thrash machine, and we can use it again.
You think saving the world is worth having to make...another one of THOSE
@@ZorotheGallade YES the megazord was awesome.
AND COMBINE IT WITH GIGA QUEEN
@@ZK16987 DUDE!! IMAGINE EVERY MAJOR BOSS HAVING THEIR OWN MECHA IN THE LAST BATTLE!!!
@@alanmiraanime EVERY SINGLE MAJOR BOSS? NO *EVERY SINGLE MAJOR AND MINI BOSS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN MECHA IN THE LAST BATTLE*
Finally watched this! Turns out I already did the majority, even doing Snowgrave again just to get rid of Berdly, but there were still some things I didn't know about. That hospital alternative is chilling... (pun now intended).
5:03 I can't do that to my bro man, idk if I'll be able to forgive myself
8:30, But at the same time, You also lose a potential ally, I personally think of it as a system of "One for all or all for one" will be happening, Where you either have the power of many normal allies to help you, Everybody supporting you, Or very few allies with extraordinary power but nobody behind their backs to support you
How does your channel not have 1 million views. Your so entertaining to watch!
Thank you so much, I'm really glad you enjoy them! You just made my day lol. Much more to come :)
@@Chiken i have a question do u really think deltarune tracks the save bc i dont wanna backup my files and when i reload them i get the dogcheck lol i mean this IS toby fox
I’m working on the best possible save file right now and I’m planning on doing a bad one aswell, this is actually pretty helpful
I actually think the roaring is gonna happen regardless, and you’re gonna stop it, but in pacifist, you do it with the power of the friends you made, but in the snowgrave and future chapters equivalent of it (If there is any) you do it with the brute force of the 6 (+you) people you manipulated into becoming the strongest versions of themselves. And for each of the three titans, 2 of the manipulated people could fight one at once, and Kris would fight alongside all of them, but in pacifist it’s the main three and the friends are just there for moral support.
Wow, this video let me know new things that can be done in deltarune: steal asriel's money and steal CD bagels from K_K's box.
3:17 me after 2 years trying everyday: you sure about that?
I love that theory at the end of the video, it's just, so fucking likely to happen, I mean, after you beat the roaring titans you may even get a cutscene where all the ones you killed are revived by the darkness and you get the happiest ending ever like in true pacifist, just to confuse the player. Then the game reveals you; " Your choices actually matter, even if others said opposite"
I hope this ages well
I actually never knew about you being able to walk to Noelle during the dialogue. That is insane detail.
2:27 I was so confused so when I went there I accidentally went back into the puzzle place and kept trying to go back
two more evil acts for your evil save!!
-sell undyne’s chocolates to sans
-drop the trash ball once you get it in chapter two, before the dark world. the game *really* doesn’t like this one. the flavor text gave me a pit in my stomach its great
4:31 You can actually go back to bed and immediately end up in the Cyber World ditching Susie entirely. Her and Ralsei probably come back, but I haven’t seen what happens after you do that.
Susie just appears behind Kris as soon as you enter the next room, and Ralsei joins you after pacifying the Werewires like he normally does.
@@spamtong.spamton8416 Oh ok
Great video man. Impressively concise. Keep up the good work
(you don't actually have to go to spamton's door to start snowgrave, that's a myth)
4:35 I didn't even fight jevil and that happened. i beat him for jevilstail when I was replaying, still happened. So jevils irrelevant unless you get his items from the hole.
Also nubert doesn't come if you don't recruit everyone. Even if you just kill a single werewire nuberts not there
edit: beat jevil a while ago but the point still stands.
1. You can say "Your parents are horrible" to Catti in Chapter 2.
2. Beat every available opponent in Dojo.
3. Talk with Alphys after getting chocolates and say they are not for her, then proceed to Sans' and sell them.
4. Say "My sleep has decreased because of Susie" to Alphys at the beggining of Chapter 2.
5. Defeat "Ms. Pipis" enemy.
I know someone already posted this. I am typing this so that I'll remember when I do this route
Someone has cleared all the pipis and there was no reward just the pipis respawning when you leave the room.
4:40 no i didnt have chpt 1 save but it was there
great how you made this incredibly sadening run incredibly funny lol
Heres a few things you may have forgotten to do:
Make Spamton Neo inraged by holding down a fire button, then pressing another.
Let the Dogs escape the jail.
Throw the box of heart candies on the floor in front of Alphys.
I did indeed clear the entire Pipis room.. At 1:30 AM like a psychopath.
Nothing of major note seemed to happen but I was MUCH too tired to keep trying to murder every single pipis I ran into after the pipis maze. So there's a small chance I ruined it.
3:58 no that guy always is there if you beat jevil, idk about if you don’t beat him though
He’s there even if you don’t beat him, can confirm
8:00
it's an interesting theory, but I think it'll only be a mix of what you said.
Of course the Normal route will be bitter sweet, at best. Be it a success in only so much of a few ways like Undertale's plethora of ones, just managing to succeed while leaving people in a sad shape afterwards. Or maybe an outright fail due to the weaker characters, as you say.
But 7 chapters of people being Pacifist and feel good moments, character developments, deep connections and all that, only to end with the Roaring happening anyway? And the only alternative is to be a asshole to everyone you made friends with along the way to squeak out a win?
Nah. Toby likes subverting expectations, but that would be a shitty surprise, putting in plot twists that compromise the uplifting nature of a Pacifist route wouldn't be something he'd do in my eyes.
I do however like the idea of a form of Weird Route where Noelle, and many other people in the future, are corrupted and do the bad endings of their respective chapters. Thus, somehow beating the Roaring by having dark realised powers.
A Bad Ending, but not a Dead Ending.
I absolutely am on board with this theory in terms of the Weird Route, but I imagine the Pacifist has its own road.
I mean, both routes ending in the Roaring would fit with the "your choices don't matter"
@@tedtubegaming it would probably-but at this point that initial line has sort of been rendered mute as, well, Noelle can either be shy and cute, or cold and murderous whichever one we pick.
So 'our choices don't matter' isn't exact or overpowering in my eyes.
i think "choices don't matter" is more like the "kill or be killed" line than an actual lesson or philosophy in the game
@@AmonTheWitch I can remember when I expected "kill or be killed" to actually be true and for it to be really hard to be pacifistic. It was really strange when no, not really.
Yeah me either
4:03 there actually is dialogue every 3 toilet flushes you do, with toriel getting annoyed. i think you need to flush like 12 times to hear all the dialogue
4:49
No the thing appears if you spare chaos boi too
Eh, maybe instead of "crushed" itll be "almost impossible"
And with weird route itll be one shot from our side.
I would lose it if we got to the final boss battle and the Snowgrave route team just absolutely wrecks some massive titans with one shot looool. Talk about subverting expectations, everyone thinks there's gonna be a "Sans of Deltarune" hahaha.
@@Chiken wasn’t spamton the sans of deltarune
Kind of odd how Susie is the only character who pretty much denies your choices in chapter 2.
Amd ch 1 too, she denies your order to use mercy and if she equiped a good weapon and you try to give her a weaker weapon she will deny
That end part about toby subverting expectations: I have a different take on that: that Snowgrave and other related things will actually not change the main story at all. As unlikely as it is, it’s totally a toby thing to do
Very accurate description
Besides toby had a dream about reaching that said ending with Deltarune
7:24 the Queen says that Nubert only joins castle town if you save everyone
I definitely think Natural will have a bad ending. Idk about Pacifist though.
I think your doomed pacifist route theory is really interesting but I think that another interesting option is that you can get a good ending through either route - your choices don't matter - but to get a good ending you'll need some serious intervention or perseverance.
In the non-pacifist route that intervention comes in the form of genocide & snowgrave.
But in the pacifist route, something about it - whether the fights themselves or whatever you do to intervene - is so much more difficult it may even be easier to get a 'good' ending through snowgrave and its subsequent route
I'd argue it's actually more evil to NOT do Jevil's side quest since your essentially leaving him behind in the destroyed dark world
Tidbit; If you translate Egg to Wingdings, it has Hands pointing Left-Up-Up, which is a Knight’s chess movement.
My favorite part is 1:58-9
Edit:I really like this vid
4:41 I did a Pacifist run of chapter 1 and didn't figure Jevil and yet he was still there
"make sure you have 100% -cp- tp" - chiken at 6:29
i think not a lot people are recognizing that when you kill everyone in chapter 1 (or a few?) in the end the enemies don't really want to help you/be on your side but when you're all nie and sparing everyone they help you after (or during? can't remember anymore it has been years lmao) the boss fight.
i love that litttle detail so much it shows me okay there IS a choice somehow... until snowgrave happened and it was really obvious.
Anyways thanks for this video
3:08 IM A PRO?????? :DDDD
The weird white guy on the left of Castle Town was there for me even though I didnt kill jevil and don't think I even continued from my chapter 1 save file
Yeah same doesnt it spawn every time?
6:50 I didn't even know the storage was in Deltarune. I thought it was only in Undertale.
“Upset Ralsei”
Me, who does everything to please Ralsei: **sobs uncontrollably**