@@johnnyaces4290, I think how Jeremiah saw it was destroying, and then rebuilding anew. Where as Jerome was death and destruction, and nothing past that.
@@bosscommando4694 ehhh idk, i think the writers were going with representing the Joker as two separate characters, with one symbolizing his desire for chaos and sheer lunacy, and the other symbolizing his "super sanity", high intelligence, and unhealthy obsession with Bruce Wayne/Batman
Jerome focused on madness, revenge and base urges. Jeremiah did the same thing honestly but devoted to his ego whereas Jerome didn't care AS much about himself. On a scale of narcissist/ goal-oriented, Jerome would be least, Nicholson's is crazier than Jerome and probably the most insane as shown by his wardrobe too but he has his face branded on his henchmens' jackets so idk, Ledger's would be in the middle as he cares not about himself but he's trying to prove a point still and has somewhat of a goal, Jeremiah after him and Leto's the most. Idk where comic Joker would be since there's so many changes throughout the years as well as versions idk ledger and Nicholson can be switched around
Ethan Webb I think they made it clear Jeremiah was the craziest, just the one good at hiding it. Jerome knew who he was and the laughing gas exposed him.
@@theinvictussamaritan4778 Yeh, it was so messed up to realize Jerome´s family is that disfunctional that a guy like him was actually the good twin 🤣🤣🤣
Ethan Webb for me a villain who doesn´t know how crazy and evil he is, is the most dangerous one. When we get to know Jeremiah´s true nature, Jerome looked almost like a good guy.
Is it really that bad that Jeremiah is similar to Hannibal Lecter? The Joker and Lecter are very much alike in their psychology. And if Jerome was the flare and showmanship of what the Joker will someday be, Jeremiah is the methodical side. And someday, I imagine Jeremiah will have some kind of accident that causes him to forget which past was truly his, and will gain the traits of both Jerome and Jeremiah since he can’t figure out which one he really is, and therefor decides he’s just going to be both. A new hybrid, called Joker.
wrong. Unfortunately instead of doing that, they made him remember everything, he's still incredibly smart but imo he should've forgotten everything. But Jeremiah and Joker from Batman Beyond Return of the Joker are some of the most intimidating Jokers but I don't think they really fit the character. They make for very well written and intimidating villains and Jeremiah has his place in history as an amazing villain. As for Beyond Joker's design, it's good from the head up, the red eyes and gelled hair taken from Hannibal Lecter from the book. The body suit I'm not too fond of, they should've just went with black. or even a red shine. Not a purple shine. Idk the purple suit works because it's reminiscent of royalty or a jester or it's making FUN of suits with such a bold and wacky color. That's not the original intention behind it being purple ofc, it was just to make the character stand out so I guess it works but I think purple looks better on a 1940s Joker than the way they did it in Batman Beyond. Idk they probably could've picked a better outfit. Just my opinion because so many comic characters have that color scheme. Characters change and so should color schemes if it serves the character and mostly the story. Idk point is, Jeremiah is a very well written character although he was boring to watch in season 4, he could be pretty menacing if it was done right. He is menacing in a lot of these scenes. Really a perfect character but not The Joker. Ledger still wasn't that serious. He still laughed and told jokes. So did Jeremiah but he works as a POSSIBLE proto Joker and a VERY VERY good villain. He is the sociopath not Jerome. Jerome cares for noone. He's a psychopath if any of them are. And Jeremiah is the sociopath if either of them are. He cares for his mom and Bruce. Jeremiah is one of the greatest villains I've seen, he's just too SMART to be The Joker. HE should not have been the one to create No Mans' Land. At least not alone with only Raas. Lex Luthor would be more fitting. Or Riddler since they could use him.
14:47 JESUS CHRIST that smile! He’s the best looking Joker ever and the second best overall Joker, next to Heath, and the complaints of him being too serious were 100% fixed in Season 5. But if you still think he was serious in ACE Chemicals, he’ll become absolutely insane in those chemicals and boom, you have the perfect Joker
nocholson was the spitting image of the joker and any changes like his weight, the oversized blue tie, the pajam pants all improve and serve the character in the film even if i think the film isn't the best. Jeremiah is a sane person who carries himself as civilized, more like the comic version whereas the Nicholson version is true madness.
my favorite will always be "my eyes are open as will yours be" along with "coffee. black. two sugars." it's something about the way he says it. i'm always impressed with cam's talent
ledger is the golden age joker right down to the trenchcoat but jeremiah too i suppose. idk why but I expected Jeremiah's final form to have lost his memory and be an innocent prankster engineer. Like the silver age I suppose or john doe from telltale season 2. The only way to make silver age joker threatening is if he genuinely didn't know he was hurting people but was too insane to notice. Also you forget bronze age joker which is just the modern joker but not as edgy and dark, he still kills people but idk this whole idea you have is kinda stupid ngl. The comics and Gotham aren't the same, that's like saying every other character on the show has every age of their character. Pretty sure Penguin doesn't have silver age penguin in him, I suppose the finale idk
Not sure what it says about me ,but I loved Cameron's performance as Jeremiah much more than as Jerome. I never wanted Jerome to succeed. Even when he went Death of a Family (which was fantastic) but I felt myself rooting for Jeremiah.
I would like to see "Jeremiah" being "demonic". Pure "Demonic". The "Jeremiah" is impossible to be killed in the way that ordinary humans die. It also has the proper power. Imagine having extraordinary intelligence, "insanity" and "demonic" power. "Joker" = "Devil" But this is just my opinion, because for me it is more "Interesting".
i don't watch gotham but i watch shameless, and the comments on the video of ian gallagher in court said that cameron sounded like jermiah, i'm here to see what they mean and omg i agree
@@beatsbyelvis6890 it was. fun fact tho it was dick grayson in the dark knight strikes again but to be fair if thats the same universe as allstar batman and robin i don't blame him for going crazy, it's the most batsht insane batman comic
I like the Hannibal Lectern version of Jeremiah.... This Joker is even more sinister.... He's dead on the inside, cold dead stare.... A smooth voice that feeds off of many emotions....
Jeremiah is and has always been pure evil Edit 1 yr later: I like the idea a normal person suddenly becomes this pure evil person and it's never explained, my original comment is the only explanation. Or loneliness can drive a person mad. But he had a girlfriend and a successful career so really how lonely was he?
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I honestly do not think it was necessary for Jeremiah to fall into the acid and become this creepy, grotesque version of the character. If you look at Tim Burton's 'Batman' Jack Nicholson did fall in and obtain scars which he covered with white makeup and red lipstick - the classic Joker style. The same with the legendary Heath Ledger: scars concealed by make up. Jerome already had the scars after his face was literally cut off and stapled/sewn back on. Maybe they were trying to go take the Joker character to new heights (even though he is not known as Joker in the series), but I felt Jeremiah was scary enough without turning him ugly!
I like it cause his face is terrifying and the only issue is his hair. He can simply wear an a green wig or sow some dyed greeen goat hairs to his head and look more like the classic joker wiht some chemical burn
I love the dynamic between him and Gordon. As someone who sees Joker as Batman's polar opposite and most entertaining villain so he shouldn't be his most intelligent too, Jeremiah is still a character that resonates with someone who's gone insane due to loneliness. I keep coming back because he understands. Or at least he has a purpose. No wait he does understand, he was alone all his life too.
Jeremiah in 4x20: References to Arkham Origins, Death in The Family, White Knight, Telltale and Gold Age Joker. Jeremiah in 4x21: References to The Killing Joke, Gold Age Joker, Heath Ledger, Telltale, Jack Nicholson, and Arkham Origins Joker. Jeremiah in 4x22: References to Death in The Family, Arkham Asalyum Joker, Heath Ledger Joker, Dark Knight Returns Joker and Telltale Joker.
Jerome: Insane is the only way to get free to this word-shit. Jeremiah: I´m the only SANE person here, the only who see the life doesent have ahy sense, not see the reality IS THE INSANE. Jerome: After kill my mother, I cant laugh. Jeremiah: Before Im give Bruce a reality punch. I cant laugh. Jerome: You dont laugh before the start of the show. Jeremiah: When you talk a Joke, you dont before the punchline. JEROME/ JEREMIAH: And in the climax to the act 1: I CAN SMILE, I CAN LAUGH. Life, is just chaos. Jerome Life is just a joke. Jeremiah Gotham City is the perfect setting. Jerome and Jeremiah. But the prince of the stage won't let me do what I want. Jerome. But the theater owner won't let me be the star. Jeremiah. Basically how I see Jerome and Jeremiah.
He has the potential to become the real joker. People are judging his acting without even watching gotham, of course he‘s not fully going to be like the joker, since he is I believe only developing into his full potential as joker in the series, so this is like his backstory before becoming the joker.
. The name Xander Wilde is a reference to the episode Joker Wild. . Jeremiah being a super outstanding engineer is reminiscent of the Joker's engineering skills in the series. 3 . The fact that Jeremiah uses an alias is reminiscent of how The Joker had multiple aliases before he was The Joker. 4. Jeremiah living underground is reminiscent of how The Joker created a submarine for himself in The Last Laugh. . The fact that Ecco is with Jeremiah when we first meet him is reminiscent of Harley first appearing with The Joker in the episode Joker's Favor. . The fact that Jeremiah's house is a maze is reminiscent of how The Joker created a kind of city seen in Mask of the Phantasm. . Jeremiah having cameras for the entire maze of him and an alarm system is reminiscent of how The Joker had the same things in Be a Clown. . Jeremiah's suit is a combination of all of the Joker's suits but adding and removing a few things. (Orange, green, blue and purple are present). . Jeremiah with an exaggerated amount of shots in his bunker, reminds The Joker in the same situation in the episode Mad Love. . Jeremiah's reactions to the danger of not meeting his objectives reminds the Joker with the same reactions in Joker's Favor. . Like the Joker in Joker's Favor, Jeremiah asks the main hero for help, Joker Batman, Jeremiah Gordon. . Both the Joker and Jeremiah do not feel an intrinsic fear of death, or a natural value for their own life, in fact Jeremiah himself does not care about his physical state in Arkham or No Man's Land and was able to smile even with a wound submachine gun on the shoulder. What they really fear is dying without fulfilling his objectives. . Jeremiah wearing glasses reminds The Joker in the Wild Cards special doing the same. . Jeremiah's blue coat is reminiscent of the Joker's coat. . Jeremiah with the overextended white smile is reminiscent of the traffic smile of the Joker from TAS. . Jeremiah pretending to be Jerome is reminiscent of how The Joker pretended to be the mayor in Harlequinade. (Referring to each playing contrasting personalities). . Jeremiah uses a switchblade to attack Bruce, which is reminiscent of the Joker in the Mad Love and Injustice for All episodes. . Jeremiah planting bombs around the city is reminiscent of the Harlequinade episode. . Jeremiah wears a hat, like The Joker in Mask of the Phantasm. . Jeremiah wears sunglasses, like The Joker in Harlequinade. . Jeremiah threatening to destroy the city is reminiscent of The Joker in Harlequinade doing the same. . Jeremiah justifies himself with absurd logic, it is a reference to how the Joker's schemes only make sense to him and no one else. More specifically a reference to Laughing Fish. . Jeremiah's serene and psychotic look (more precisely his expressionless eyes) is reminiscent of the Joker's look when he is feeling: Excitement, Joy, fear and worry. . Jeremiah, before burning Jerome's followers, forms an unnaturally wide smile, reminiscent of the Joker's common smile. . Jeremiah with plans reviewing his panan reminds once again of Mad Love. . The fact that he collaborates with Ra's Al Ghul is reminiscent of the World Finest special, where The Joker works with Lex Luthor, the similarity here is that in both cases it is the union of 2 prominent villains, but in this case, it is The Joker who hey help. . The fact that the battery is powered by Jeremiah's pump. of changes in the environment is reminiscent of the Joker's Laughmeter in Almost Goth'Im.
I didn't really care much about Jeremiah's intial transformation in season 4. But I'll have to say. His overarching evolution made him pretty damn interesting.
Jeome and Jeremiah: Most lover person: Jerome: Jeremiah Jeremiah: Himself/ Bruce Person who hate most: Jerome: Lila Valeska Jeremiah: James Gordon Favorite colors: Jerome: Orange, dark yellow, gray, dark brown, and pink. Jeremiah: Purple, green, yellow, brown, blue dark green, and light blue. Both: Red, Black, and White.
It seems like the show is really trying to drive home that he is not Jerome. like literally every scene they are comparing him to Jerome, and say he is sane Jerome isn’t like think people get it now.
I know, overthinking fictional TV and blah, blah, blah, but the amount of time he had to chuck that box far enough way to not be affected by the gas at all will forever be frustrating to me
I like to thing the real victory of Jerome is manipulate Jeremiah, he talk abaout the things Jeremiah do to him, not like You are trash. Most like, hey: Be Bad, feels good, right? Remember, Jerome saids, we think at same. Jeremiah creates that gas, copy his brother voice, said exactly is expect to Jerome, he laughed like Joke abaout him self, cause do Jerome want by himself. The Joke in me.
@@superiorspider-nava1943 cool story I guess, but it is completely irrelevant to the aspect that will be forever frustrating to me. It does not justify or even address it in any meaningful way I think I'm honestly just confused why this was a response to me and not its own comment
Jeremiah: *does something insane*
"I am not insane"
*continues to do something insane*
I aM nOt InSaNe
Most insane people think they're sane.
Jeremiah: "Jerome only wanted to destroy things, I want to build"
*Proceeds to blow up a clock tower*
@@johnnyaces4290 well he really wanted to rebuild I guess but in his own image
@@johnnyaces4290, I think how Jeremiah saw it was destroying, and then rebuilding anew.
Where as Jerome was death and destruction, and nothing past that.
you know he’s a great actor when you really think there’s two actual twins in real life playing them 😂
They are the same person
xxthatoneboi 69
That the point. Cameron is so good at acting you think it’s two twins instead of one guy.
@@xxthatoneboi6961 Thanks Sherlock
xxthatoneboi 69 everyone knows this
@@xxthatoneboi6961 no shit
What a lucky and talented bastard! Skillfully playing two vastly different types of Joker in one show!
@Silva Animations i. Ca'nt. WAIT !!!! he will be more vicious and insane 😍
Three
@@JessicabelliciMa1 gotta agree with ya haha🤡💚💜
4 actually
@@kaicraft8144 What?
Honestly this is my favorite “joker” of all time. I love how they played off the extremely intelligent avenue. I love the Jeremiah character.
I feel like hes also more of a coward so that makes him more interesting
On God
Jerome focused on Gotham. Jeremiah focused on Bruce.
AKIRU Th3 G8m3r which is why he’s the perfect candidate to become The Joker.
they both focused on bruce, its just that jerome focused on killing bruce and jeremiah focused on being friends (or possibly brothers) with bruce
@@bosscommando4694 ehhh idk, i think the writers were going with representing the Joker as two separate characters, with one symbolizing his desire for chaos and sheer lunacy, and the other symbolizing his "super sanity", high intelligence, and unhealthy obsession with Bruce Wayne/Batman
Jerome focused on madness, revenge and base urges. Jeremiah did the same thing honestly but devoted to his ego whereas Jerome didn't care AS much about himself. On a scale of narcissist/ goal-oriented, Jerome would be least, Nicholson's is crazier than Jerome and probably the most insane as shown by his wardrobe too but he has his face branded on his henchmens' jackets so idk, Ledger's would be in the middle as he cares not about himself but he's trying to prove a point still and has somewhat of a goal, Jeremiah after him and Leto's the most. Idk where comic Joker would be since there's so many changes throughout the years as well as versions
idk ledger and Nicholson can be switched around
Which Joker is crazier - the one who knows he’s crazy, or the one who thinks he isn’t?
Ethan Webb the one who thinks he isnt
Ethan Webb I think they made it clear Jeremiah was the craziest, just the one good at hiding it. Jerome knew who he was and the laughing gas exposed him.
@@theinvictussamaritan4778 Yeh, it was so messed up to realize Jerome´s family is that disfunctional that a guy like him was actually the good twin 🤣🤣🤣
Ethan Webb for me a villain who doesn´t know how crazy and evil he is, is the most dangerous one.
When we get to know Jeremiah´s true nature, Jerome looked almost like a good guy.
@@theinvictussamaritan4778 How did the show reveal Jeremiah to be crazy before the gas?
These writers truly understand The Joker.
The Joker is insane, but he doesn't know it. He can't see the line that separates normal and insanity.
Joker is super sane
@@slimischillin7753 yes...he is SUPER SANE
virtually everyone who’s “insane” doesn’t know it, that’s kinda part of the definition
Joker knows he is insane. Read The Killing Joke.
The way Cameron has two seperate voices for the characters with like a slight accent change for Jeremiah is just so amazing
he sounds the saem as jerome in season 4. The cadence and way he talks is what's different. But in season 5 they give him two different new voices.
Now this guy should be the Joker in the DCEU
He looks to young for it tho...
@@TheKingDagon108 Why Not?
TheKingDagon108 Leto looks super young too... despite being 40 something. But still, this guy would be a billion times better
He looks and is roughly the same age as Harley in the DCEU. But I think it would take a few years for him to grow into the part.
Is it really that bad that Jeremiah is similar to Hannibal Lecter? The Joker and Lecter are very much alike in their psychology. And if Jerome was the flare and showmanship of what the Joker will someday be, Jeremiah is the methodical side. And someday, I imagine Jeremiah will have some kind of accident that causes him to forget which past was truly his, and will gain the traits of both Jerome and Jeremiah since he can’t figure out which one he really is, and therefor decides he’s just going to be both. A new hybrid, called Joker.
Frank Tuka
Yup. ACE Chemicals
Frank Tuka he did
Frank Tuka you were pretty much correct
Frank Tuka spot on assumption my guy
wrong. Unfortunately instead of doing that, they made him remember everything, he's still incredibly smart but imo he should've forgotten everything. But Jeremiah and Joker from Batman Beyond Return of the Joker are some of the most intimidating Jokers but I don't think they really fit the character. They make for very well written and intimidating villains and Jeremiah has his place in history as an amazing villain. As for Beyond Joker's design, it's good from the head up, the red eyes and gelled hair taken from Hannibal Lecter from the book. The body suit I'm not too fond of, they should've just went with black. or even a red shine. Not a purple shine. Idk the purple suit works because it's reminiscent of royalty or a jester or it's making FUN of suits with such a bold and wacky color. That's not the original intention behind it being purple ofc, it was just to make the character stand out so I guess it works but I think purple looks better on a 1940s Joker than the way they did it in Batman Beyond. Idk they probably could've picked a better outfit. Just my opinion because so many comic characters have that color scheme. Characters change and so should color schemes if it serves the character and mostly the story. Idk point is, Jeremiah is a very well written character although he was boring to watch in season 4, he could be pretty menacing if it was done right. He is menacing in a lot of these scenes. Really a perfect character but not The Joker. Ledger still wasn't that serious. He still laughed and told jokes. So did Jeremiah but he works as a POSSIBLE proto Joker and a VERY VERY good villain. He is the sociopath not Jerome. Jerome cares for noone. He's a psychopath if any of them are. And Jeremiah is the sociopath if either of them are. He cares for his mom and Bruce. Jeremiah is one of the greatest villains I've seen, he's just too SMART to be The Joker. HE should not have been the one to create No Mans' Land. At least not alone with only Raas. Lex Luthor would be more fitting. Or Riddler since they could use him.
Can we just talk about Jerome’s crazy diary for a second? What the hell, it has an ice cream cone on the front...
Ian did u forget your pills
14:47 JESUS CHRIST that smile! He’s the best looking Joker ever and the second best overall Joker, next to Heath, and the complaints of him being too serious were 100% fixed in Season 5. But if you still think he was serious in ACE Chemicals, he’ll become absolutely insane in those chemicals and boom, you have the perfect Joker
Jorge Funes jr Jerome is better. But Jeremiah is great too
I think because there's no prosthetic it's even more creepy and unsettling
BK Vids jerome sucks
Why so serioussssssso.
nocholson was the spitting image of the joker and any changes like his weight, the oversized blue tie, the pajam pants all improve and serve the character in the film even if i think the film isn't the best. Jeremiah is a sane person who carries himself as civilized, more like the comic version whereas the Nicholson version is true madness.
Damn, he is so freaking talented!!! He can play two different types of crazy :p
Jeremiahs face when Barbra says “freak” 😂😂
Am I the only one that thinks Jeremiah is hottt 😂❤️
Emily Lock no, you are not.😣❤
GOD NO OMFG
Jerome is hotter. That stitched face, and insanity turns me on and makes me really horny
@@mothvile omg same!!
🤣🤣🤣
Jeremiah and Jerome are the hottest bad guys omg
Facts
Yess
His acting gets better with every season.
The devil himself
Dancing with him by the pail moon light.
@san amazing way
Ik, that was a hint I just gave him.
@san amazing way
Its all good but... Why so serious?
Lets put a smile on that beautiful face.
I used to think that... My life was a tragedy. But now I realize... It's a comedy
Dude his voice made me think I was watching asmr lol
Cam is really a fucking great actor.
so we just not gonna talk about that SMOOTH gun transition from 2:04 - 2:17 and how hot it was????
my favorite will always be "my eyes are open as will yours be" along with "coffee. black. two sugars." it's something about the way he says it. i'm always impressed with cam's talent
“Who’s fault is it that I changed my mind?” Ugh that line is just CHEF’s KISS!
Jerome was the Modern Age Joker. Jeremiah is the Golden Age Joker. All we're missing is the Silver Age Joker.
the watered down harmless prankster?
@@beatsbyelvis6890 That's him. Making him genuinely threatening would definitely be hard, but not impossible.
Someone get Jerry on the phone
@@mothmanneko I was thinking Jeremy.
ledger is the golden age joker right down to the trenchcoat but jeremiah too i suppose. idk why but I expected Jeremiah's final form to have lost his memory and be an innocent prankster engineer. Like the silver age I suppose or john doe from telltale season 2. The only way to make silver age joker threatening is if he genuinely didn't know he was hurting people but was too insane to notice. Also you forget bronze age joker which is just the modern joker but not as edgy and dark, he still kills people but idk this whole idea you have is kinda stupid ngl. The comics and Gotham aren't the same, that's like saying every other character on the show has every age of their character. Pretty sure Penguin doesn't have silver age penguin in him, I suppose the finale idk
I AM ODDLY ATTRACTED TO JEREMIAH
ARENT WE ALL😩🤚
IAN COME HOME
SHAMELESS
It's the smart Jeremiah with the hint of the Jerome that made him so good
12:02 Jeremiah "completely sane" Valeska everybody.
ikr
The acting is superb, and I love this rendition of the joker.
20:09 is it batman and joker scene from the dark knight movie?
I feel most of the scenes we're influenced by the Dark Knight, I know the jail scene was for sure
Boy I don"t know but I think I am in love with the character and the actor, wtf is wrong with me loving so bad a character that is a killer?
Same 🥰
Same.
yes.. me too 🙋
I get you. But I'm 100% in love with the character, he is the hottest sexiest psycho ever!
not uncommon. tons of young women flocked to watch ted bundy’s trial.
The incredibles were right every villain that ever has the chance to kill or destroy they always start monologuing till its too late..... fools....
7:23 his fit is so raw lol
Zoe Gatewood facts lmao
Jeremiah valeska is daddy🥵😍🤤, I just really love him 1,000,000%
Not sure what it says about me ,but I loved Cameron's performance as Jeremiah much more than as Jerome. I never wanted Jerome to succeed. Even when he went Death of a Family (which was fantastic) but I felt myself rooting for Jeremiah.
I would like to see "Jeremiah" being "demonic".
Pure "Demonic".
The "Jeremiah" is impossible to be killed in the way that ordinary humans die.
It also has the proper power.
Imagine having extraordinary intelligence, "insanity" and "demonic" power.
"Joker" = "Devil"
But this is just my opinion, because for me it is more "Interesting".
You do know he took multiple stabs to the stomach and still be able to live through that
@@jordancrooks6752 haha
@@deztinypafekuto7968 oh sorry i reread comment my bad
@@jordancrooks6752 its OK haha
written diarrhoea
I want some of that gas
jthomas0630 me too.
You do know you will die right joker survive d because he is crazy right
Jordan Crooks no it was a special mixture for Jeremiah
The Birth of Evil Laughing Giggling EVIL!!!!!!!!😈😈😈🙂
Jeremiah Valeska, when he first started, was basically Sheldon as a killer.
Hahahahahahaha good comment my man
i don't watch gotham but i watch shameless, and the comments on the video of ian gallagher in court said that cameron sounded like jermiah, i'm here to see what they mean and omg i agree
they are the same actor ofc lol
17:47 cool Silence Of The Lambs reference
If I were to play The Joker I would take inspiration from this, BTAS Joker, and Jack Nicholson’s Joker.
Then i would suicide
@@Musakhan-gj4un do it anyway
Jeremiah's reaction to the gas at the beginning of this is similar to the dick Grayson to joker transformation in batman beyond.
wasn’t it tim drake?
@@beatsbyelvis6890 it was. fun fact tho it was dick grayson in the dark knight strikes again but to be fair if thats the same universe as allstar batman and robin i don't blame him for going crazy, it's the most batsht insane batman comic
I like the Hannibal Lectern version of Jeremiah.... This Joker is even more sinister.... He's dead on the inside, cold dead stare.... A smooth voice that feeds off of many emotions....
Jeremiah is awesome
Jeremiah is and has always been pure evil Edit 1 yr later: I like the idea a normal person suddenly becomes this pure evil person and it's never explained, my original comment is the only explanation. Or loneliness can drive a person mad. But he had a girlfriend and a successful career so really how lonely was he?
That sound you are hearing...that’s a very bad sound
😂
In Gotham, we live in such a culture of fear now.
And Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska, they take the cake and ate it. all of it!
Every last bit!
I came to Gotham for Jerome's insanity, stayed for Jeremiah's cold and calculated moments. Fucking hell, I love Cameron.
17:46 channeling his inner hannibal lecter
just saw the description, no way are the liam twins called brendan and brandon XD i'd be so confused as their parent
Is it weird that I want to get sprayed by that purple smoke too
Nope pretty sure a good bit of us wonder what it would be like to get inside the jokers head
Or How It Would Feel To Be The Joker. THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:41 killing joke Insane
2:04 taxi driver Travis GUN
2:34 Jack Nicholson makeup
7:24 killing joke costume
14:17 Heath ledger joker bomb
15:34 killing joke shoot Barbara
15:57 Heath ledger under GCPD
17:41 Hannibal lecter
17:47 Or Arkham Joker
@@superiorspider-nava1943 agree it make more sense yours Arkham asylum game
@@jackd-hittomann1289 it's still supposed to be hannibal lecter but arkham joker is a good coincidence. This list is so well done.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I honestly do not think it was necessary for Jeremiah to fall into the acid and become this creepy, grotesque version of the character. If you look at Tim Burton's 'Batman' Jack Nicholson did fall in and obtain scars which he covered with white makeup and red lipstick - the classic Joker style. The same with the legendary Heath Ledger: scars concealed by make up. Jerome already had the scars after his face was literally cut off and stapled/sewn back on. Maybe they were trying to go take the Joker character to new heights (even though he is not known as Joker in the series), but I felt Jeremiah was scary enough without turning him ugly!
I like it cause his face is terrifying and the only issue is his hair. He can simply wear an a green wig or sow some dyed greeen goat hairs to his head and look more like the classic joker wiht some chemical burn
This should have been the start of the DCEU
The bombs didn’t go off and the henchmen turned against him now that is a bad day hahahaha
I love the dynamic between him and Gordon. As someone who sees Joker as Batman's polar opposite and most entertaining villain so he shouldn't be his most intelligent too, Jeremiah is still a character that resonates with someone who's gone insane due to loneliness. I keep coming back because he understands. Or at least he has a purpose. No wait he does understand, he was alone all his life too.
Jerome is dead...long live the new me.
Jeremiah in 4x20: References to Arkham Origins, Death in The Family, White Knight, Telltale and Gold Age Joker.
Jeremiah in 4x21: References to The Killing Joke, Gold Age Joker, Heath Ledger, Telltale, Jack Nicholson, and Arkham Origins Joker.
Jeremiah in 4x22: References to Death in The Family, Arkham Asalyum Joker, Heath Ledger Joker, Dark Knight Returns Joker and Telltale Joker.
Why do people keep calling me insane?
(Fires rocket launcher)
Jerome: Insane is the only way to get free to this word-shit.
Jeremiah: I´m the only SANE person here, the only who see the life doesent have ahy sense, not see the reality IS THE INSANE.
Jerome: After kill my mother, I cant laugh.
Jeremiah: Before Im give Bruce a reality punch. I cant laugh.
Jerome: You dont laugh before the start of the show.
Jeremiah: When you talk a Joke, you dont before the punchline.
JEROME/ JEREMIAH: And in the climax to the act 1: I CAN SMILE, I CAN LAUGH.
Life, is just chaos. Jerome
Life is just a joke. Jeremiah
Gotham City is the perfect setting. Jerome and Jeremiah.
But the prince of the stage won't let me do what I want. Jerome.
But the theater owner won't let me be the star. Jeremiah.
Basically how I see Jerome and Jeremiah.
Who else thinks Jeremiah looks like an evil version of John Mulaney 🤣
He has the potential to become the real joker. People are judging his acting without even watching gotham, of course he‘s not fully going to be like the joker, since he is I believe only developing into his full potential as joker in the series, so this is like his backstory before becoming the joker.
. The name Xander Wilde is a reference to the episode Joker Wild.
. Jeremiah being a super outstanding engineer is reminiscent of the Joker's engineering skills in the series.
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. The fact that Jeremiah uses an alias is reminiscent of how The Joker had multiple aliases before he was The Joker.
4. Jeremiah living underground is reminiscent of how The Joker created a submarine for himself in The Last Laugh.
. The fact that Ecco is with Jeremiah when we first meet him is reminiscent of Harley first appearing with The Joker in the episode Joker's Favor.
. The fact that Jeremiah's house is a maze is reminiscent of how The Joker created a kind of city seen in Mask of the Phantasm.
. Jeremiah having cameras for the entire maze of him and an alarm system is reminiscent of how The Joker had the same things in Be a Clown.
. Jeremiah's suit is a combination of all of the Joker's suits but adding and removing a few things. (Orange, green, blue and purple are present).
. Jeremiah with an exaggerated amount of shots in his bunker, reminds The Joker in the same situation in the episode Mad Love.
. Jeremiah's reactions to the danger of not meeting his objectives reminds the Joker with the same reactions in Joker's Favor.
. Like the Joker in Joker's Favor, Jeremiah asks the main hero for help, Joker Batman, Jeremiah Gordon.
. Both the Joker and Jeremiah do not feel an intrinsic fear of death, or a natural value for their own life, in fact Jeremiah himself does not care about his physical state in Arkham or No Man's Land and was able to smile even with a wound submachine gun on the shoulder. What they really fear is dying without fulfilling his objectives.
. Jeremiah wearing glasses reminds The Joker in the Wild Cards special doing the same.
. Jeremiah's blue coat is reminiscent of the Joker's coat.
. Jeremiah with the overextended white smile is reminiscent of the traffic smile of the Joker from TAS.
. Jeremiah pretending to be Jerome is reminiscent of how The Joker pretended to be the mayor in Harlequinade. (Referring to each playing contrasting personalities).
. Jeremiah uses a switchblade to attack Bruce, which is reminiscent of the Joker in the Mad Love and Injustice for All episodes.
. Jeremiah planting bombs around the city is reminiscent of the Harlequinade episode.
. Jeremiah wears a hat, like The Joker in Mask of the Phantasm.
. Jeremiah wears sunglasses, like The Joker in Harlequinade.
. Jeremiah threatening to destroy the city is reminiscent of The Joker in Harlequinade doing the same.
. Jeremiah justifies himself with absurd logic, it is a reference to how the Joker's schemes only make sense to him and no one else. More specifically a reference to Laughing Fish.
. Jeremiah's serene and psychotic look (more precisely his expressionless eyes) is reminiscent of the Joker's look when he is feeling: Excitement, Joy, fear and worry.
. Jeremiah, before burning Jerome's followers, forms an unnaturally wide smile, reminiscent of the Joker's common smile.
. Jeremiah with plans reviewing his panan reminds once again of Mad Love.
. The fact that he collaborates with Ra's Al Ghul is reminiscent of the World Finest special, where The Joker works with Lex Luthor, the similarity here is that in both cases it is the union of 2 prominent villains, but in this case, it is The Joker who hey help.
. The fact that the battery is powered by Jeremiah's pump. of changes in the environment is reminiscent of the Joker's Laughmeter in Almost Goth'Im.
I didn't really care much about Jeremiah's intial transformation in season 4. But I'll have to say. His overarching evolution made him pretty damn interesting.
Damn! Same dialogue as Hannibal Lecter
4:06 nice notebook jerome😂😂😂
Man, I love the gun-in-the-sleeve thing so much. Classic.
His fashion sense ugh it’s amazing
jerome is casual joker just pure crazy but jeremiah is genius crazy and i like jeremiah version of joker actualy :)
Do you think that Jeremiahs fall was rushed?
Jerome Valeska: Jack Nicholson + Comic Joker+ Mark Hammil Joker.
Jeremiah Valeska: Dark Knight Returns Joker + Comic Joker + Arkham Saga Joker.
17:46 Is that the hommage of The Silence of The Lambs?
Jeome and Jeremiah:
Most lover person:
Jerome: Jeremiah
Jeremiah: Himself/ Bruce
Person who hate most:
Jerome: Lila Valeska
Jeremiah: James Gordon
Favorite colors:
Jerome: Orange, dark yellow, gray, dark brown, and pink.
Jeremiah: Purple, green, yellow, brown, blue dark green, and light blue.
Both: Red, Black, and White.
Jerome is soo Fine 💞😚✨
Jaidan Hall right😍😍
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
11:31 is anyone else seeing it jump 10 seconds?
Cameron is awesome
i don't know how many times i have rewatched that scene
It seems like the show is really trying to drive home that he is not Jerome. like literally every scene they are comparing him to Jerome, and say he is sane Jerome isn’t like think people get it now.
Zoozeeman1234 thats kinda the beauty of jeromiah man he wants yo outshine jerome but in the ‘sane’ way
“Jeremiah”
“Jeremiah”
“You’re a liar!”
this dude is obsessed with Bruce
You should see season 5
5:22 - 5:39 The best
Like I said Bruce will fall down In the dark island
I'm sorry, but 22:09 - 22:33 has me f***** up 😩🤤
😍😍😍😍
I know, overthinking fictional TV and blah, blah, blah, but the amount of time he had to chuck that box far enough way to not be affected by the gas at all will forever be frustrating to me
I like to thing the real victory of Jerome is manipulate Jeremiah, he talk abaout the things Jeremiah do to him, not like You are trash. Most like, hey: Be Bad, feels good, right? Remember, Jerome saids, we think at same. Jeremiah creates that gas, copy his brother voice, said exactly is expect to Jerome, he laughed like Joke abaout him self, cause do Jerome want by himself. The Joke in me.
@@superiorspider-nava1943 cool story I guess, but it is completely irrelevant to the aspect that will be forever frustrating to me. It does not justify or even address it in any meaningful way
I think I'm honestly just confused why this was a response to me and not its own comment
I blew up gotham clock tower
He looks like an evil matpat...
jeremiah blows up the clock tower, blows up his follower, tries to destroy gotham and burns his gang:
He's like the dark version of L Lawliet--I love it!
18:03 i thought i accidentally paused it LMFAO
Might have not been a great joker but he was a great villain
I wish I got the opportunity to act in this movie 😫😫
It’s a show
Dr. Bashir has come a long way lol
Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix can never compare.
Can't judge Joaquin yet. He's a pretty good actor, so I have no doubt he'll do the character justice.
I think Cameron is the best
This Joker forget to blink because Bruce is too handsome.
Hannibal Lecter scene. Are those lambs screaming Bruce?
Prefer jerome best joker
Jerome is just a Best character. Jeremiah is a Best Joker
I feel sorry for the dork muffin