My dad worked in a fertilizer company in the late 90's in South india. Used to tell horrific tales on how the company used to kidnap officers, scientists, bribe officials and add common salt to fertilizers to reduce costs. The workers in the plant itself would admit that using our products would ruin ones land.
Happened in Ukraine too, during the Soviet era. Ukraine grew much of the Soviets’ crops. Yet due to Stalin’s cynical policies, millions of Ukrainians starved to death in the Holodomor (“Terror-Famine”).
As a visitor of India, the burning of stubble is one of the most visible aspects of this ecological disaster. Literally as soon as you land it smells like you're close to a forest fire, and it's with you 24/7. I stayed in a nice hotel in Agra and got upgraded to a room with a view of the Taj Mahal, about 1km/0.6mi away. I got in late so couldn't see it in the dark, and the next day I still couldn't see it because of the pollution. Every morning I'd wake up with a stuffy nose and a headache and would blow my nose into a tissue that quickly filled with black snot. It's so oppressive, you can't escape it. Ever seen a worrying air quality index like 100, 150? The scale often goes up to 500 with 300+ being "hazardous", a step over "very unhealthy". In Delhi the AQI often goes over 900, that was the case when I went there and saw it myself. This has a huge impact on the health of people who live there, a Boston College study estimated that air pollution in India resulted in *1.67 million* deaths in 2019, accounting for 17.8% of all deaths in the country. The scale of this disaster is hard to comprehend.
All that stubble burning hopefully would become a thing of the past with the government planning to bring in a policy to produce biofuel out of it and even the farmers would be able to generate a substantial revenue from it and also reduce pollution in cities like Delhi. It's going to be a win-win situation for everyone involved hopefully.
@@universalsoldier811 yup, you're definitely 100% right. Pollution in Indian cities and rivers is of legendary proportions and the worst in the world.Worse still, some 400m people still defecate out in the open for lack of toilets.
@@pietrojenkins6901 your statements are biased and partially true. People don't defecate in open now in india. Rest all of you that you wrote is completely true for India, pakistan and Bangladesh
Mr. Harcharan Singh is correct at 14:20 - the US is absolutely not a model for the rest of the world to follow. We have severe erosion problems, our farmland is losing its fertility, and the younger generation is leaving the industry behind. Vast stretches of farmland are now being bought up by Bill Gates! The only real growth area for a long time has been in organic farming, which might be the key to the future, along with traditional methods of multi-cropping such as those once practiced in the Punjab. All working people have common cause with the farmers of India and should support them. Thank you, VICE, for covering this story.
Govt wants the farmers to move onto multiple cropping . The farm leaders attempt to retain elements of the older regime are maintaining unsustainable agricultural practices . Punjab farmers in the 1960s were quick to take up new agri practices . No longer the case because while the farm leaders cry over problems , they with their blind worshippers in the farming community itself have vested interests in their persistence - reasons are feudal (amazing how village communists in Punjab have feudal outlook)
Bill gates has also something to do with the new farmers rule in india but thanks to the farmers protest for its withdrawal i hope indian farmers dont get exploited once again by these rich western people
@@dipjyotimitra186 I don't think anyone disputes that you get lower initial yields with organic farming. The question is really one of sustainability over time. Switching to 100% organic in a year or two is certainly not realistic, but a more integrative approach might be
@@udayviruppal3730 I thought the farmers wanted price supports for additional crops beyond wheat and rice? I can see why they would not want to move to multicropping if they get no price supports - they could lose everything.
Good report but You did not mentioned(or deliberately missed) an important point. “ WTO and USA putting pressure on Government of India to reduce or abolish MSP and Subsidies, given to Indian farmers “. As under WTO laws it comes under trade distorting practices. Would love to know your point of view on this Thanks 🙏
The WTO is an imperialist organization based in Geneva that only works in the interests of its founders, i.e. Europe and the US, and big donors like China. Before, the WTO told India that it was in violation of the rules for providing Indian people with affordable generic drugs (because this threatened the profits of big European and American pharmaceutical companies who produce the big-brand names) !
world is so dumb... they on one hand forcing the govt to reduce subsidies and msp as it is against WTO norms...and on one hand you guys supported the farmers demanding msp and subsidy.. how hypocrite you guys have become
@@rishabhpatel2051 That’s Why I asked it, because everyone attacks Government to provide but not know technicality and feasibility of it. People and media just love to blame Government for every problem.
Simple answer we can't. We have to reduce our population, diversification of our diet, reduce meat and improve grain quality. All is not at all possible with corrupt politics
@@tylererb9538 i read books. Charles Dickens books. Works of art. Not just another google tab opened. An experience. Put phone aside saviour a book. Can concentate solely on the subject.
@@tylererb9538 A google search and reading a book are so different. Sure, searching on google may give you a simple answer but books offer so much more information. I mean the author may have spent years researching the topic and consolidated their findings/conclusions into 1 book. No having to comb through tons of sites and fact check everything. I'm sure you could find the information that's in any book online, but if you aren't even aware of it how are you meant to find it?
This is why I roll my eyes when big aerospace tech spend billions and talk about colonising Mars and the Moon when we can't even manage Earth's climate and our food security in what (compared to Mars) is ideal conditions.
Technological-wise, we know how to fix those climate and food security problems. The thing is, people just can't agree to start implementing the solution.
The human race is so corrupt that even if you would distribute the entire wealth of this earth, they would still be in crisis . . And again, you can not feed people not earning for themselves. Thats a foold paradose to be in . .
aerospace technology is the very reason you can watch and comment on this video people miss the fact that so much technology that helps in every day life was only possible due to nasa investmenting all those years ago this is a government issue get youre facts right
Growing up in India I use to see a lot of different kinds of birds, ever since the use of chemicals and fertilizer and pollution.. only crows and pigeons are left, small species of birds and sparrows are now non existent in North India (Delhi, Punjab and Haryana)
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That’s a great point. I rarely see birds much anymore other than crows and pidgeons. I was just wondering this past summer about where they might have gone.
@@daspicsman Google 35,000 reindeer dying all at once in Europe. Fish die offs, marine mammals of course. Then there is a Mad Cow like disease affecting Deer, Moose, Elk and some say mountain goats. In New England, I haven't seen a crayfish in 15 years. Something is up. Not sure what to call it, but I would match this phenomena with the disappearance of rivers literally overnight. 2 rivers in France disappear literally over night. Mexico also. There are others, but I don't recall them. Couple these with the Poles reversing at over 2km per day toward each other and a 1400% increase in Volcanism and Earthquake severity and frequency and one might think that Carbon Emissions MIGHT NOT be the cause of climate change.
This comment is a sample of common superstition about agriculture , chemical fertilisers are nothing but industrial production of plant nutrients , like how we take vitamin tablets , all are naturally occuring chemical compounds when plants die and decay in soil, DAP mentioned in this video is dy amonium phosphate which is a naturally occuring chemical when plant die and decompose in soil, NPK fertiliser also , when plant decompose in soil, bacteria produce nitrogen phosphorous and potasium, On proper quantity , chemical or organic , all fertilisers are same in micro condition , some organic brands spreading chemical fear among ignorant poor farmers , for their business ,
@@farzanahameed476 fertilizer causes big issues with the quality of the water, the run off from overly fertilized farms kills fish and other organisms and creates huge red algae blooms which are toxic to fish and people and people in village mostly drink from the wells which are polluted as well. Same water then flows into rivers etc causing much issues with drinking water in cities. No wonder the municipal water in all the states are not safe to consume. I haven’t even mentioned the pesticide and herbicide that is used to kill the organisms in soil and weeds. Only big Aggra business like Monsanto wins and everyone else looses. The only way for India is to tackle by going organic! The way our parents and grandparents used to grow food and eat.
Very similar issues to our agriculture system here in the US. Too much reliant on big ag companies. The industrial agriculture complex is a real unseen issue.
@@tuckerbugeater reason both parties subsidize is because if cost was only factor, then agriculture would likely go to China like rest of industry and it's one thing to rely on China for tech, but it's another to rely on them completely for food.
This video made me so sad for these farmers and the state of agriculture world wide. I grew up on a small farm in Minnesota. My dad farmed 160 acres (a very small amount). We barely made enough money to break even and the money that was left had to go to next year's seeds. We were in a very difficult place financially. As corn prices continued to decrease my father had to stop farming about 3 years ago and rent out the land to corporate farmers. There is no way to make a living in agriculture unless you are a corporation, and it is really sad for small farmers.
The pesticides that monoculture farming requires also completely devastate wildlife. In parts of the USA, wild bees are virtually extinct because of the overuse of pesticides.
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@@BLDUBMUSIC please enlighten us with the truth then! @Gala we basically wiped out all the wild bees long ago, and we did it without Chems! We inadvertently killed them by introducing and maintaining so many European bee hives, they displaced the natives generations ago. You see there are over 3000 KNOWN species of solitary bees that are native to eastern US, we only have a few kinds that make hives, most of them live solitary lives, they are super important to pollination, even today honeybees are NOT responsible for pollinating most plants. These natives are super secretive and literally live in a hole in the ground, most don’t make hives and very few make honey, what’s worse is that they look bland… so we don’t notice them even if we do see them. They’re seen as useless by human standards, so they might as well not exist
@@morrisjohnsonakamj6346 You missed the point entirely! We spend the largest amount of any country on the Pentagon, we don't make our own seeds here because the corporations have made farmers here just as dependent on them as they have made the farmers in India dependent upon them! Do your research!
Farmers of the world are in a tough spot. As the world urbanizes, political power gets even more concentrated in cities and governments are pushed to maintain low food prices. But this automatically undervalues the work of farmers. This leads to subsidies, support prices and fixed procurement all of which reduce the farmer's independence. The real crisis in farming is its economics and politics, rather than its ecology.
Yes you are right, in usa 1 man owns very larg land, but the problem is here that, too many people and lands are divided, in this small land using big machines isn't cost effective. And you can't also enter your field with out crossing others, tractors are used but other than that
This isn't exactly true. I work in automated food processing here in the US. The machines are efficient but very costly. The big farmers can buy it but the small farmer cannot afford them. Now the small farm cannot compete and the big farm buys them out. The big guys get bigger and bigger every year. And they become very influential politically. Just look at California. Millions under drought restriction and they export more nuts ever year, one of the most water intensive crops. They take millions of gallons of water and make billions of dollars selling nuts in Asia. Then they tell you to conserve and fine you for watering your lawn on the wrong day LOL. They are very influential politically.
It's both. Monocultural farming is putting a much bigger strain on soil and locks farmers into buying seeds by a small number of providing corporations.
At 2:16, its incorrectly claimed that Govt. Provides subsidies only on wheat and rice there are 23 crops in MSP basket, govt. Just procures less of the other 21 crops because they are consumed less by the poor. Besides Rice is a water guzzling crop and one of the chief reason for water deficiency in Punjab.
You are partially right. MSP includes 23 crops but have you seen anybody selling their maize, moong, cotton, chickpeas more than or equal to MSP? Not even wheat, rice has this scenario except Pb, HR regions. So, the legal implementation of this crop MSP umbrella is must for diversification.
@@harmeetsingh4354 Legalisation of MSP today will create problems tomorrow just like MSP for paddy and wheat have created problems today like over exploitation of ground water.
@@harmeetsingh4354 this is the dumbest thing i have heard. Ur solution to the problem is to do more of what has created the problem. Remove MSP entirely. MSP is the most useless bs idea. MSP cannot be given to all crops entirely because the govt doesnt have unlimited money
@@thechlorinator1803 despite of covering more crops under legal MSP(for solving water and biodiv, agri issues), you are suggesting about removing it. Then, i guess basically you want India to be bagger for food grain like it used to be before 1960s. Bro may be you can afford luxury food in your plate, but not most of our common people. Seems really smart and responsible citizen you are.
What a downfall for a state which was onces India's Richest state. As of Today Punjab ranks 15th in Per Capita income & i won't be surprised if they slip below Bihmaru states from where (As of Today) they get their labour from. A state like Haryana managed to gain some momentum (Thanks to the Auto & IT industry) but Punjab with sooo much talent is going down. I see yet another West Bengal in Making, get your act together before it's too late.
Bengal was one of the richest region of India holding 12% of the world's GDP, then after independence when West Bengal formed they removed it as a capital, and never really cared about it's potential and look at it now.
Goverment tried and failed. The best chance is that they move out of agriculture or wait some years so goverment could get enough funds to pay them to change their crop patterns
Such a tragedy. I’m Punjabi myself 2nd generation in the west. This region is one of the most beautiful places. My parents often talk about how it was in the past. Households had their own desi ghee, milk, wheat and other foods. It was pure. Those days People were healthy, and lived wholesome lives. When i go there i think, i wonder how this land looked like 100+ years before. No air pollution, green, and abundant. Long gone are those days. Punjabis were known to be strong and fit Our people are ruined by these so called modern farming techniques using Monsanto GMO crops, pesticides+ chemicals. It has enslaved our people. Ruined them financially and effected their health. We must return back to how it was like during the times of our grandparents or great grandparents.
When the govt introduced these GMOs and stuff in the 1960s, we did not know about the problems and Punjabis too welcomed it as an enterprising community then. For the last 40 years , we know the problems in clarity and even as the other State Govts like Haryana have come to acknowledge these and even have left behind the idea of Green Revolution but Punjab still holds fast onto it. The reason is State's political economy. Just see why Punjab doesn't even have a diversification policy because the so-called "Jatt intermediaries"(big landlords having taken to intermediation in marketing) have enormous influence on State politics. When the central govt tried to correct it with those 3 laws , the "farm leaders" spread all sorts of fake news . At the end of the day, surveys already indicate that most farmers holding an opinion against simply don't know what the laws were . Many still gathered around Delhi because these farm leaders(having big landlord backgrounds) command respect in the local village communities...
Hello! we in the USA did this to our society and economy first with the same devastating results occurring from 1915 until the 1990's!and still occurring today! We have the same problem and require the same answer. Nobody will accept the answer because it means total economy collapse and reset. the polyculture movement is great but it cant price compete without an end to the subsidies, and even the current farmers don't want that because its to scary to imagine the intense economic and asset struggles it would cause for them, and the temporary food shortages and massive price fluctuations that would ripple for over a generation through the entire population. ultimately it would create a massive demand for farmers again if we ended subsidies, and push any society that did that back to an agricultural economy. But India has even less flexibility to do this, because if one country in the world (USA and CHINA)uses the method and they can trade freely with your country without tariffs and limitations, they will undercut your farmers and your society becomes destitute like the many "third world " nations unable to subsidize their agriculture because they are to poor and in debt to the IMF.
No, india has import tariffs on crops precisely for food security. They don't want foreign farmers with subsidies to undercut them. The government routinely lowers the tariffs in times of shortage and raises them back up.
@@thunderb00m goverment is being forced to remove it. Because service export is much bigger compared to farming exports, if foreign goverment restricts services import from India, India will lose 70% wealth overnight and farmers are going to die anyways.
@Yarxk yes thats apart of it all, alot of food may be available, but opportunity to acquire better living standards are few and far if available at all
in Village India, its run on emotions and blackmailed by local leaders and peer pressure. it would need another social revolution at social level. It would take time for farmers to learn be self reliant , education and learn to incorporate traditional and modern techniques as well as support by local state government and society
These people can build nukes for fighting Pakistan but not make their own seeds?! You want the government to give you chickens and feed them too? how about harvest your crop for you also?
The video literally went over how farmers used to grow various crops, but the US, UK, and India told farmers to only grow 2 crops so large industrial suppliers could exploit small farmers.
@@GB-gy4ry thats not possible. U know the govt uses tax money to pay for msp crops so now if u include all crops the amount of money required would be insane, the inflation would sky rocket
Traveling to India, it was really difficult to see the poor living condition of farmers in villages, and also those who migrated to the cities living poor. When I was in Delhi, smoke and dust choked my lungs. It was easy to forget at that time that the country houses some of the richest billionaires in the world.
I have visited india 3 times to more 15 cities/states including villages of Rajashtan, Haryana, UP, Bihar and some at south. Also along the way on my road and train trip across the country. When I was in Delhi, the fog or smoke or whatever u called it shortened my sight and caused me to cough. I'd say go to India. Beautiful country and culture and I wish to go more and I will. I promoted India to friends/people who never agreed India as a tourist location. I just wish some some of this aspects are improved especially on inequality issue. That's all.
@@xyzrrana7851 oh he's not a troll, I've lived outside India since childhood but every time I go back in the winters it's worse every time, either I didn't notice this when I was a kid or it's getting much more worse year after year. God knows how I coughed my lungs dry in November and December 2021
@@xyzrrana7851 Lol learn to take some criticism. It's because of this blind nationalism that we went from being a potential future superpower to having our country fall further in the hunger index.
Yeah but in this case, it's counterproductive. Food for no one, debt for the nation, desertification for land and cancer for the locals. Can provide academic sources for each claim.
Watch the DW documentary on farmers and pesticides. Farmers have some of the highest incidents of parkinsons and alzheimers. It's terrifying seeing these burning plots and knowing that the pesticides are also wreaking their own level of havoc. Seriously it's the only DW documentary I couldn't finish because it unsettled me so much
This told me everything in 15 minutes that the Indian media failed to in over a year. Hope the policy makers and the government currently and the governments to come can find a solution to this largely increasing problem.
@@SaxonFaust Punjabis simply extended their suffering for a few more decades by the repeal of those laws. Punjab will continue to deteriorate until nothing much can be grown on its lands. Their protests are like the ruckus that alcohol addicts make to ensure their families continue to give them money for their addiction habits. MSP is NOT all that different.
@@jarjarbinks3193 You do know...the farmers protest wasnt only just confined to farmers from Punjab. Infact, the large majority were farmers from the neighbouring states with farmers from Punjab speardheaded the campaign.
@@haphazardblizzard799 I am from the South! Hardly anybody cared about those protests here. Apart from Punjab, there was probably support for the protest in Haryana (which was also part of Punjab once) and Western UP. That is pretty much it. In all other places, nobody cared. It is because farmers in other areas are NOT all that dependent on the government for MSP.
Much as I laugh on your utter lack of knowledge of the protest that took place. Or a pretence that the protest was only confined to few states just to downplay its significant is nothing but a sign of complete delusion. But on top of everything I am even more surprised to hear that coming from someone from "south" who could have an objective point of view. So now ready for the few facts from ground: th-cam.com/video/_O2l26BzKIM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/oTILY7lY-hE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/7BI-powDoW8/w-d-xo.html Let me know if you need further evidence to help you brush up your knowledge.
The farmer's won in successfully bringing back old draconian farm laws which led to suicides of more than 60000 farmers in india.. no body talks about that
Politics hai vro, in this tussle between right and left only our people will suffer. Its easier to fool a person than convince them they've been fooled.
@@main490 but not middle men? Who loot the produce of the farmer's at cheaper price? Banks provided lowest interest rate to the farmer's? How are they responsible? It's shame that 1 or 2 state farmer's are responsible for revoking the farm laws which are not opposed by farmer's of any other state ..I don't know if the farmer's of 1 or 2 states won or lost..but the farmer's of rest of the country are definitely lost by revoking the new farm laws!!!
@@mnd3607 time to educate modi bhagat, first of all, if you have left your home to see,there were farmers from all over the country. Farmers wanted minimum price on their crops and without that you know what will happen? How a non farmer modi bhagat will know, go to bihar if you want to know more, bihar don't have msp for over 2 decades, that's why they stopped farming and started migrating to punjab because private companies weren't paying good price.
@@main490 Delhi highways is not entire country...Punjab is a small state compared to rest of india ex..not a single protest is held is kerala karmataka maharashtra orissa tamilnadu goa telangana andhra bihar assam Gujarat or North east states..all the farmers are really happy that old stupid laws are finally gone.....this agitation was fuelled by middle men by scaring innocent farmer's..if MSP is not ther for 2 decades then why it is issue for new farm laws..bihars and UP(who are referred to bhaiyas by dumb remote controlled CM) migrate to other states due to lack of support from their state gov due to corruption due to lack of development when compared to other states...so dont mix regional politics with msp or farm laws..I am not a fool pappu follower who speaks without using 🧠....our minds are not infused with drugs so we think sanely...pls keep your dumb ideas with you
Please dub this video in hindi or other regional languages... because the people who needs to watch this video most of them can't understand English Please please please 🙏 @vice vice
I agree. Shouldn't be difficult to do since they just need to change the narration to Hindi or the like. Viewership will grow, so I guess it'll be good for the video (and the channel).
Some people have created this holy cow about agriculture in india . Farm Laws was a necessity for deregulation, now no party is going to help them in next 30 yrs. the occupation itself is on ventilator and going to di a slow death. Romanticizing with agriculture must stop.
The so called "de-regulations" of agro laws were already in place in states like UP, Bihar, Madhta Pardesh etc...and those farmers have been in worst situation for a very long time. The send their produce to MSP paying states by the corporates then it gets sent further into the food logistics system.
@@haphazardblizzard799 bro that is a form of corruption. Because it damages the interests of farmers of both the regulated and deregulated state, only the middleman profits. I have seen it in Haryana with grains coming from UP being procured here.
Your Canada USA UK is the same countries who threatened India to punish bcz India so called "violated rules.". which is why Indian gov wanted to apply it .... USA and Canada wanted no subsidies for farmers in India etc. Which is why the farmers protest against Indian gov. The west is desparate wants Indian farmers to use and do what the western companies would say ..... from fertilizers to other farming equipments.... This west are the same country who refused to give medicines to India in times of dire need.... whatever small amount of medicine they gave the price was kept so high so that normal people wont get it just to profit American medical companies. That time too India was threatened and punished in WTO for violating so called rules. Today India supplies medicine at cheaper price to not only India but also Africa and whole South Asia plus Middle East etc... and is now called the pharmacy of the world only bcz our gov fought against the west plus one man became an entrepreaneur for medicine and is today successfull... all of this happened in 1960'-1970's ...
Vice news should have covered more aspects like green revolution, chemical fertilizers usage, msp policy, fci policy, ground water depletion, middle men system, stubble burning , farm laws, private investments, soil issues, pro n cons. Punjab would have been a good case to many states.
@@kaab9827 india media covered it. If u watch print channel u can find content but i am trying suggest for international audience. As there are many developing countries with agricultural background.
Corporatization of farming has resulted in the decline of the trade. Monsanto and other companies don't care about solutions. They care about creating problems that only they have the "solution" for and bill farmers and governments every step of the way towards solving them. Yet they never go away. They are here to stay forever.
Monsanto has been bankrupt and sold over for Bayer for half a decade, yet you guys want to spread fake fear mongering with a company that no longer exists
@@navinvent liar. Bayer paid 66 billion for Monsanto. I already mentioned this. Still owned by the same shareholders, and now they are doing even more damage, under the Bayer name. If you are going to shill, do a better job.
I like the idea of organic farming but when you look at wheat and rice you have a staple that can be stored dry for months in a warehouse. Those fruits are nice when ripe but there are a lot of people to feed in India - almost 1.4 billion. In 2021 the fertility rate hit 2.1 and falling so maybe they are turning a corner to where they can consider new farming methods.
Small scale, labor intensive farming has higher yields than corporate agriculture. India has the labor; they can produce enough to feed themselves without large scale agriculture. Poor policy decisions were made to leap frog to corp ag when it was unnecessary, because it was trendy, there were profits to be made and shared with multinational companies, etc.
why should it be the responsibility on state of punjab to bankrupt themselves to feed all of india? Aren't they a different people anyways that used to be independant before the british came. I am pretty cerain they are also sikh in a hindu nationist country that represses non-hindu's. They used to be the sikh empire and the biritish conquered them after already finished conquering most of the rest of the Indian sub-continent.
@@josh77577 Punjab is a part of India like any other state. I don't know why you are trying to call them a "different people". Apart from the Sikh empire, there were multiple independent kingdoms in India that the British had to fight, such as the Marathas and the Bengal Sultanate. There are many problems with agriculture in India, but farmers in Punjab are actually one of the most wealthy when compared with those from other states. The problem is not specific to Punjab but is rather a national issue.
@@josh77577 in terms of wheat production, Uttar Pradesh comes first then Punjab and in terms of rice, west Bengal comes first then Uttar Pradesh and then Punjab. Every region has it's identity and culture. Uttar Pradesh alone has 5 different region. Also, sikhism came from Hinduism so, we share same teachings. Also, only 57% Punjab's population follow sikhism and 38%, Hinduism then, rest are other minorities. I hope, you will stop assuming stuff on your own.
All that stubble burning hopefully would become a thing of the past with the government planning to bring in a policy to produce biofuel out of it and even the farmers would be able to generate a substantial revenue from it and also reduce pollution in cities like Delhi. It's going to be a win-win situation for everyone involved hopefully.
Organic farming is not the solution. Sri-Lanka has a severe food crisis because of organic farming. We need science based crop rotation based on soil strength and weather patterns. But it's not beneficial for the corrupt govt officials to remove subsidies on wheat and rice and switch to other crops.
Yees! The answer is in science! backed application of fertilizer and pesticides, minimum use and correct timing ! combined with rotation of crops as you suggest! Integrated Pest Management!
@@nosequiters No principal in organic farming is also wrong. It's outdated. You can't protect from pests, can't mass-produce with organic farming. Even politically correct, super progressive EU doesn't recommend organic farming. Non-GMO crops have low shelf life. Good farming practices (non-monoculture) with GMO+Fertilizers+Pesticides will give best yields that has long self-life and protect the land from errosion.
"The food is sick so the society cannot be healthy. And your food is sick because your agriculture is sick" It seems very easy talk but the depth of these two sentences may ask further research.
New rule of indian govt would have solved the problem of monoculture in punjab... but the opposition political parties and farmers themselves were soo shortsighted and they together dig their own grave even bigger....!!... its true education and rationality is must for a society
How did those farm laws on their own would have solved the farming issue in North Indian states?? What was so substantive in those farm laws that you can help to elaborate?
Maybe the change by the government isn't what the change visioned by the farmer, since it will only further farmer collapse. Not an irony and it isn't that hard to understand. Farmer should voice their idea and government shouldn't just push their system, isn't that how democracy supposed to be?
My family were wheat and sheep farmers in the British Isles and Australia from traceable history until I was a little boy. The constant loaning of money to finance the next crop and just scraping by is nothing new, it's been happening for decades and decades. We need to find a solution to this globally or we will all starve. Farmers literally put food on our tables.
@Sea permaculture is still non scientific, should read the criticism of it by real scientists. Peer review is the best system we have to weed out fraud Realistically wheat farming is never going to be very profitable, it’s just too important to keep prices low and only the largely non consolidated farmers have interest in higher prices You’d need the profits per harvest to at least cover living expenses, debts and next seeds as to not require further debt. And prices are unlikely to ever get that high. And debt will keep you on that treadmill preventing transition to other uses. The nature of the free market will eventually solve the problem, but it’s probably going to mean a lot less farmers and probably require constraints on corporate farmers as to stop shenanigans in the food supply
Loved this coverage. Are the incredibly high prices of wheat that we are seeing (feb 18, 2022) of 270 euro per Tonne in europe vs 200 one year ago and 350 dollars in USA vs 245 for the average of last year, being translated into better bids to Punjab farmers?
Punjab wheat is not of good quality due to excessive use of fertilizers, low water table etc. In India most people prefer wheat from states like Madhya Pradesh. Punjab wheat is mostly procured by Govt. and distributed for free to poor, and the leftover rots in granaries. Even the poor use the free grain to feed their cattle instead of self consumption. Govt. procures wheat at a loss only due to fear of losing Punjabi votes in elections and avoiding protests like these.
We tried organic Farming one year. With hybrid plants,We grow coffee. Here are the issues,For one, it was expensive to buy organic fertilizer, and two, was also very difficult to get it. And yet we got the lowest yield ever. This year we put company chemical fertilizers. We got three times as much yield as before, spending comparatively less for fertilizer. But we maintain to put only once a year so that the soil doesn't loose it potency. Others put three times a year. Needless to say the weather, the plant saplings and greed is few of the causes why Indian farming system failing.
1 in 5 children are food insecure, it's not like US which has 40% surplus, most people want cheap food. Most people want more food than more farmers and if corporate farms with high end tractors and processing machines can do that. They'd much rather have that .
@@navinvent exactly, now hear this I have this one coffee plant which is around 50-60 years old,maybe even more, you think we can just give up them? So we fight. Even if I'm the only one.
The lower yield problem, is not exactly because of organic fertilizers. The actual problem is your soil condition. If you were doing monoculture for several years, your soil has probably been extremely degraded and the only reason you were getting good yield was because of the chemical fertilizers not the degraded soil. One year is not enough for soil health to recover because organic fertilizers are slow release by nature, meaning the nutrients are release into soil slowly and remain there longer. So you will obviously not see the full potential in just one year of organic farming. More over, the most important factor in soil health is the benificial bacterial and fungal network which gets completely destroyed by pesticides and lack of organic matter. For them to re-establish it will still take longer because they'll thrive as the contamination of pesticides gets naturally removed. Organic farming is also a learning process. Practices like crop cycling and companion cropping helps a lot with organic farming. I have heard about some shade grown coffee farmers going for mixed farming with avacado and cocoa, an additional benefit of which is that you get produce multiple times of the year.
@@BLDUBMUSIC Please watch videos on permaculture, natural farming, and one straw revolution. Study more. For those of us who already learned this knowledge, we already grow our own organic abundant food. You and your family are still eating poisoned food from mass production farms that sprays at least 3 poisons before it reach your kitchen table.
@Arun Kumar Yes there is. Go watch videos on "natural farming", one straw revolution, and permaculture. Study these videos and you will know what I am talking about.
I always thought that resting the land and changing crops is better for the nutrients in soil, thus keeping the land more fertile. Pesticides that continue to be used have no impact on pests over time thus requiring more. The people ingest the pesticides and crop quality and yields decline. There has to be a better solution. Why are only 2 crops subsidize? Including more subsidized crops helps farmers to grow a larger number of different crops. Would that not help?
@@highpeaks3598 any attempt at change is completely shot down. As we saw with the farm laws, instead of even negotiating or amending the offending bits. It was our way or the highway approach, Reforms died for the sake of political convenience. Maybe Punjab will turn into a desert before another chance rolls around.
There is a lot more to this story. This video doesn't tell you why they grow only wheat and rice? This video doesn't talk about the free electricity farmers get to run their water pumps. This video doesn't talk about that the government introduced farm laws has no mention of MSP removal. Farmers of Punjab has always been more entrepreneureal. I have only one question, why farmers of Punjab are not growing any other crop like lentils, millets and oilseeds crops which India heavily imports from other countries that too at a very expensive price (compare to wheat and rice prices). All my reading about the protest and farm laws gave me one conclusion; minimum support price (MSP) of wheat and Rice is working to the detriment of farmers. India is a surplus producer of these two commodities. Just because farmers know that these two crops are sure going to get them guranteed money via government MSP. However, reality is that lentils, oilseeds will earn them more fortunes. But the jaded mindset and mirage of MSP is not letting the farmers come out of their comfort zone. There are other states in India which are heavily agriculture dependent but there was little to no protest against the farm laws in those states. Albeit, Indian state of Madhya Pradesh contributes more Wheat to Central government procurement then Punjab yet there were no huge outcry in Madhya Pradesh for these farm laws. All indians are indebted to farmers of Punjab for the abundance of food grains but now is the time to tidy up again and turn the tides in your favor with Green Revolution 2.0. I would end my comment by saying that the farmers of Punjab needs to transform their farming practice by growing out of the MSP trap and rethink their farming. You just need to show your fighting spirit and courage in changing the crop you grow. I am sure you will come out with a success just how you succeeded in pushing government on retreat on the farm laws.
The Green Revolution saved India from famine and is continuing to save it from famine. There is no chance that 1 acre of jungle is producing anywhere near enough calories to replace the industrial grain farms.
The farm laws would have never removed the MSP. 700 people did not die in police action as vice would lead you to believe. The farm laws is the only way for farmers to cut out the middleman, get out of debt, increase profits and switch to a sustainable farming practice. Just putting it out there because Vice obviously chose not to.
Yes, Farm Laws were really good and whatever few problems it had could have been easily fixed with time. But the western media just wanted to destabilize the situation.
I was quite relieved with Vice coverage (In today's biased media age) on other issues where both sides get evaluated. I see this as a one sided coverage without any analysis of farm law. Anyways now that those are repelled, so no need to discuss. Let's wait and watch how guardians of farm protest navigate farmers on modern agrarian realization. I see no more opinion columns by eminent journalist, as this topic seems to be not trending anymore or does not brings any rise in paycheck. Government is not there to solve every problem. Being a private employee we contribute to country infrastructure by paying tax, but we do not blame Government and demand for health,education subsidy
Great report, thank you! 5:04 it doesn´t only deplete the soil, it completely destroys soil biology over time. Regenerative organic farming is the only way out of this mess. The governments and big corporations need to change their focus and start to step in more, to support this healthy cycle for future generations.
I blame Punjab politicians for this mess. They have made farmers like addicts that want a constant fix of free water,free electricity.Not a single local party raises the issue of sustainable farming.Whole situtation is kinda sad .I believe farm laws were step in right direction,though benefits were not communincated very well
The laws may have been good in some parts but in actuality no one trusts the government to completely act on them. India has a loophole for everything. Better implementation is needed.
Farm Laws is best for farmers there have been Big land lord oligarch which is opposing it because they dont laid punjab do be an industrial hub they wanted punjab to plunge into an old model as we see how gujrat maharastra now up hyderabad is transformed agriculture economy dont create most job's land productivity is limited water is also running off . In this matter of farms protest only this poor henchmens lords are win not these people many of my relatives live in punjab they are absolutely happy for reforms but we have regret that govt knee down in front of these draculian land lords
you want to tell how many of your relatives were actually with the reforms? If so, who guarantees the procurement ? Ask someone who lives in state like Gujrat or Maharashtra..to feel their misery of living in a chaotic urbanised place.
As an Indian I am appalled at how poorly researched the India bit at the beginning is. 1. There are thousands of videos of ppl in the protest unable to tell what they were against. 2. Indians hereknow that the protesters were primarily land owners from a community protesting against the removal of their role as systemic intermediaries that ate into farmer's margins. 3. Another reason was the ban on stubble burning. 4. The car ploughing through farmers was attacked by goons in the protest because it belonged to the ruling party, 2 ppl in the vehicle died the others survivved only because the driver accelerated carelessly. 5. Basic economics will tell you MSP is untenable for any economy 6. It was a perfect case of the old elite feudal lords paying poor people to protestby telling them that their land was being taken away. They setup a brothel on the highway and butchered a mentally unwell person there on video for allegedly disrespecting their holy book.
6:03 this here is the middleman that eats up a huge profit margin of farmers. Govt tried to remove this middleman system and allow farmer to get in a contract directly with an MNC and get paid accordingly. This was going to be privatisation of Agriculture in India. Please don’t cry further and expect help when more farmers are driven to loan debts and end up in suicide.
These farmers great grandfather's were never been growing grains before they were begged to grow grains and were handed expensive fertilizer by these so called develped countries and now they are only forcasting that Punjab will turn into desert in the coming 25-30years... What an exploitation we see here
How can you do a story on this without mentioning Monsanto? They created seeds decades ago that grow crops that cannot produce viable seeds for replanting, locking farmers into buying new seeds every year instead of using heirloom seeds and breaking out of the cycle of debt.
The sad part about this is that it only focuses on Northern part of Indian farmers. The farm laws were much appreciated in the southern part and now they've repealed the laws because idiots wanted them to be repealed
@@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767 yeah but andhra, Telangana, kerala, tamilnadu and other southern most States saw very minimal participation. In fact, in Telangana we welcomed the changes since this means we can sell our produce wherever we like unlike what is today that we take them to the local mandi. And the other factor important for us was that the MSP was supposed to be minimal sale price or the bottom limit. Instead, over the years it became the upper limit that is it became the maximum sale price and the only option we have is to sell to the local mandi at MSP or not sell the produce all together. With these laws, we saw light at the end of tunnel wherein we sell our produce at the price we want and it is left to the consumer to decide whether they purchase it at the price we quote or not.
Firstly make sure that were they real farmers or not I'm from the state of bihar India and ironically my whole family is also farmers and i belongs to very rural area where people are mostly dependent on agriculture but not even a single protesters were from the state of bihar whose have most fertile land in whole india and whole population is dependent on farming these protesters were not farmers they are the middle man whose manipulation would have gone because they are only one who are manipulating and gaining profits
This is due to land fragmentation caused by generations of division of agricultural land via inheritance. The land held by each descendant every subsequent generation hence keeps getting smaller and the farmers keep getting poorer
Thousands of farmers commit suicide every year in India. Farming is no longer profitable in India. Modi government promised to double the income of farmers but instead double the cost of production. rising prices of diesel and fertilizers are bringing thousands of farmers under heavy debt every year. Government brought three laws to kill the already well tested system of marketing and throw farmers under the mercy of corporate. Farmers only demanded their right to live for more than a year around the border of national capital Delhi. They suffered summers of India and cold waves in winter. They were there during monsoon season and after the death of more than 700 farmers when government anticipated their defeat in upcoming elections took back the laws.
This is why the world must change now before it's too late. I say to myself often I'm just waiting for the end to come but somehow I'm still hopeful that we can learn as a species.
Punjab is sub tropical, they could be growing bananas, loquat, passionfruit, citrus, mangos and more. But they don't value trees there. Most of the forests are gone and the only ones left are poplar plantations for lumber. Its a very sad to see the degradation of the land there. Very similar to my home state of Iowa.
Lol that's the excuses you blind followers bring up everytime . We all know how much a govt cares about farmers when it has stopped collecting data on farmer suicides since 2016. This isnt republican rules america that you give the peoples money to the richest 1% . Proud of the farmers 🔥
@@bloodwargaming3662 yeah cuz these so called farmers who make 2 dollars a day had enough money to protest for 2 years and buy AC tents right? As for blind followers do u even know what the farm laws were?
The producer and the consumer suffers while the middleman gets rich.... This is the main problem.... Farming should become a Govt Job , where people who have enough agriculture land and has ancestry of farming should be eligible for the job... Govt can decide on the crops , provide seeds and fertilizers and take the profit also , And pay Salary , Pension and other benefits to the farmer for his work... Bonus payouts to be given for Organic and high quality yield.
It’s kinda like that in Germany even though of course big farms are taking over small farms by renting the land, we have subsidiaries for farmers which are heavily regulated to ensure quality. Over all they can make a decent living but you need at least like 250 acres to make it worth it considering the amount of work and machinery that you still have to put in at the least. Also not everybody can come and buy land you have to be a farmer or make a joint venture with one to buy it.
The whole farm protest was misrepresented in Media. The farmers who were protesting themselves wanted change in farm law and existing farming practices. But not the way govt had proposed. For eg, take the mandi or auction yard, govt wishes to do away with it. But farmers want to keep it as it's a support system for farmers. Without Mandies, it would like skydiving without a spare parachute.
@@junkeboy India's richest farmers r in Punjab ! If d condition of Punjabi farmers is this, then I can imagine wats d condition of d farmers I other parts of d country especially d ones who produce non-cash crops !
@@junkeboy You want to give any examples where Non-APMC or Non-mandi system are working in the favour of the farmers?? The misery of farmers in states like UP, Bihar, MP are one of the worst and yet no media outlet ever had the courage to cover their misery.
Incredibly one-sided. Consider the huge growth of grain production. I don't think it's easy to feed the most populated country, definitely not with organic farming.
Organic farming I wouldn't consider healthy once its on a "mass" scale, as you require organic pesticides(which is WAY more harmful, compared to safer gmo pesticides). This new anti science, is usually preached by these organic/antivax hippies, trying to preach their over cost organic foods. Science works, no matter how much people want to deny, it works. Organic farming for small scale, if you plan not to use pesticides, may not survive as well. And of course they are not wearing protection, just like other poor countries. quite sad.
@@koilamaoh4238 you can't blame organic way of crop cultivation completely anti-science. it is the traditional knowledge plus add ons which took a new name and needs research. the in-organic fertilizer are based out of petroleum and india pays a hefty price for import. science is ever evolving and you can't blindly just say petro-chemical fertilizers are superior. also mass conversion of farm lands to do organic based farming will be disaster. the cost of organic foods are high because it is labor intensive. there is no much innovation to address that.
@@GH-mj2ti Why don't they save the money they would spend on their kids for their old age? Kids cost $250k each from age 0 to 18. Is saving the family name worth all that suffering? Population is the source of all the problems in Inida (mainly lack of jobs and quality of life) and they insist on having more. China was the same as India in 1979 and they made a one child policy, now they're the second biggest economy in the world. If they insist on having kids, why not just have 1 and not 7?
Isnt is astounding that after a group with 1% land mass that supplied food for decades and saved millions from starvation would be rewarded with debts and desperation.
And, buyers can also keep sayinf no to whatever price they say as well, and keep saying no until their produce starts rotting and the farmers are forced to sell for cheap. Nice try, but...don't you even know what MSP means...it's right there...it's minimum support price, not 'my support price'. Without MSP, farmers will eventually be pushed to under prices. Meaning...huge win for middlemen.
Everybody in India wants their share of entitlements but no one wants to pay tax , they love to protest and demand their “rights”, but no one knows where the money is going to come from. to pay for all of this. Farmers want MSP subsidies, but money doesn’t grow on trees. All these subsidies make the food they grow so expensive that the massive surpluses cant be exported , is dumped in storage where it rots
These people are all basically saying “We should have stayed with the old ways of farming. They were better.” But…the old ways were going to lead to half of them dying of starvation…why were they better?
I think a balance in necessary & hydroponics seems to be essential in restoring land health, and providing enough food. But. Incredible amounts of funding and money is needed..
@@visual_honey - the public wouldn't have it. The current model is, essentially, the least expensive way to get the most food to the most people. The people can complain and be like, "We should do something different! Something that is more in balance!" But then, if the farmers switched to that...food prices would triple. And the people wouldn't be happy all over again. "Food prices THIS much? This is crazy! They need to be cheaper." So the people are not happy when the prices are low but methods are "problematic"...and they are not happy when you use more natural methods but prices are higher. Seems like people just...refuse to be happy. Essentially...they want the world to be different than the way it is. They want a different reality. A different chemistry/biology/physics than what we actually have. But that's not going to happen. So pick your poison. Choices are: 1) Industrial Farming Methods Heavy on Monoculture Crops that Need a Lot of Fertilizer and Pesticides but are cheap and will lead to the fewest people starving. 2) Choose "Better" Farming Methods which are more expensive, will raise food prices, and lead to more people starving. But will be better for the environment. Which choice would you make?
The farm laws were a reform to some extent but were poorly communicated to the farmers... Govt must understand the farmers are already under huge debt and uncertainty on MSP only adds to distrust among them. Sad to see the producers whom we respect equivalent to Army are in poor condition. I hope the situation improves soon.
I live in Punjab and my family is one of the moneylenders and procurement agent for these farmers! There is huge need to shift away from this monoculture practice. The big shocker is that these grains aren't even needed anymore. There is more than a surplus, every year the crops of wheat and rice will rot in government godown. They purchase it for 1888 Rs.\quintal and sell it in PDS for 5 Rs. Per KG. They even thought of making ethanol with the excess paddy. So much water, input and hardwork, they want to decompose it into ethanol. Only a government interventionist program can achieve this economic output
The progressive Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) that has just come to power in the State has a unique opportunity to impact farming across India. Show the Nation what ecological aware modern farming can accomplish
Would like to know will productivity increase with uniform farming practices ran under big corporations? or is it better to have small scale farming instead? if better for a large corporation to run for security, would it be better for humanity as a whole and how will there be effective compensation for these farmers and reskilling?
Hmm so if you want productivity go with big corporations, but if you want security, then small scale. There has to be a balance of the 2 that the government should decide.
@Pierre In I'm not pro-capitalism but that's factually incorrect. Look at literally every item in your house. It was all sold to you for the purpose of making money for the company, it just so happens that happy customers make for ones that buy more stuff. Not saying greed is great but to say it's achieved nothing is just demonstrably false.
This is a very complex issue, needs thorough research for taking any step, we have many issues in this country, but we avoided starvation mainly due to this farming and green revolution. But needs new regulations, govt tried but without consulting farmers. Big corporations are getting involved, this is not good sign
The first example of agriculture is believed to be around 23,000 years ago,, yet we observe examples of animals being seed dispersers throughout history. Humans would have also been key seed dispersers and may have become conscious of their interaction with the fertility of our planet much earlier than examples of organised agriculture,,, the detrimental aspects of farming were a much later adaptation... so we already know what's possible.... build on that instead...
Farming cannot be compared with any other business especially since not well to do people are indulge in it. The thing is this protest didn't change anything for betterment. People say that those reforms were bad, but then what was your solution, because already situation was bad. The one good thing those law brought was you can keep old system with you while experimenting with new system. Which was good because we dont know how things will play out. But politics came into picture and here we are back to zero.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE when did i say this for demonitization. And demonitization, after effects of it, srilankan economy, and farm laws are different topics. If you want any comparison then compare farm laws with 1991 reforms, it came good for many and bad for some, same is for farm sector. Though not in favour or against the laws but you have to try because situation is not good now.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE thats what i trying to say in comment Old plus new system is good. Please read my comment again. This is best situation where u can try new things while keeping old system. My grandfather is a farmer from Rajasthan, there was no opposition to this law in our area, i travelled extensively during that time. Reason was simple because you have both old and new system. Basically you can still do contract farming but unofficially. Even we do unofficial contract farming, but things would have been better if it becomes legal.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE even now there is no assurance of msp. Not all farmers are able to sell their produce through msp. Even there is no law regarding msp. MSP will be there in new law just like it was in old system. If govt adds msp under law then it had to procure all grains mandatorily, which it cant do practically. In todays system it is govts will how much it want to procure. MSP is a lolipop not a right.
"Indian farmers staged the biggest protest in world history in order to force the government to take back reforms that would have ended an important subsidy." - This pretense itself is wrong. The MSP wasn't gonna go away. The new rules allowed more freedom. Protests happened mainly in 2 states, whose paddy has failed to clear the European food safety standards and it got support from overseas Sikh organizations. This video is only showing one side of the story aka half truths..
Manmohan Singh government had wiped of farmers debt worth 2.00 lakh crore of debt. 12 years back. Then they became in debt again there is some problems somewhere. Which has to be corrected.
North Indian Farmers are getting some MSP But here in Southern India (in Tamilnadu) There is nothing like MSP because of most of the produce were bought by traders(mostly middleman) you have to give your produce to middle man at market price (what price he tells) And the labour cost+transport expenses are separate that the farmer have to bear In the end recovering the initial investment is barely possible
My dad worked in a fertilizer company in the late 90's in South india. Used to tell horrific tales on how the company used to kidnap officers, scientists, bribe officials and add common salt to fertilizers to reduce costs. The workers in the plant itself would admit that using our products would ruin ones land.
Then why land hasn't ruined
@@msdadsfsx what are u looking at videos
Im not suprised at all. I mean Indian police are still allowed to beat the cr^p ouf of Indian people.
Monsanto?
@@sahil8023 then why food production increasing each year
If an alien came to Earth how can we possibly explain to them that the farmers growing grain cant afford bread. That's just insane.
Haha. 😂 Sounds crazy
if aliens came to earth that would be the least of our problems
Grains are bird food. Industrial agriculture is a mega failure.
Happened in Ukraine too, during the Soviet era. Ukraine grew much of the Soviets’ crops. Yet due to Stalin’s cynical policies, millions of Ukrainians starved to death in the Holodomor (“Terror-Famine”).
No gene-edit. No pesticides. Enjoy sunshine and please be vegan.
As a visitor of India, the burning of stubble is one of the most visible aspects of this ecological disaster. Literally as soon as you land it smells like you're close to a forest fire, and it's with you 24/7. I stayed in a nice hotel in Agra and got upgraded to a room with a view of the Taj Mahal, about 1km/0.6mi away. I got in late so couldn't see it in the dark, and the next day I still couldn't see it because of the pollution. Every morning I'd wake up with a stuffy nose and a headache and would blow my nose into a tissue that quickly filled with black snot. It's so oppressive, you can't escape it. Ever seen a worrying air quality index like 100, 150? The scale often goes up to 500 with 300+ being "hazardous", a step over "very unhealthy". In Delhi the AQI often goes over 900, that was the case when I went there and saw it myself. This has a huge impact on the health of people who live there, a Boston College study estimated that air pollution in India resulted in *1.67 million* deaths in 2019, accounting for 17.8% of all deaths in the country. The scale of this disaster is hard to comprehend.
All that stubble burning hopefully would become a thing of the past with the government planning to bring in a policy to produce biofuel out of it and even the farmers would be able to generate a substantial revenue from it and also reduce pollution in cities like Delhi. It's going to be a win-win situation for everyone involved hopefully.
@@saurabhmishra6821 surely not exaggerated. Just visit Agra or delhi after November
@@universalsoldier811 yup, you're definitely 100% right. Pollution in Indian cities and rivers is of legendary proportions and the worst in the world.Worse still, some 400m people still defecate out in the open for lack of toilets.
Whoa
@@pietrojenkins6901 your statements are biased and partially true. People don't defecate in open now in india. Rest all of you that you wrote is completely true for India, pakistan and Bangladesh
Mr. Harcharan Singh is correct at 14:20 - the US is absolutely not a model for the rest of the world to follow. We have severe erosion problems, our farmland is losing its fertility, and the younger generation is leaving the industry behind. Vast stretches of farmland are now being bought up by Bill Gates! The only real growth area for a long time has been in organic farming, which might be the key to the future, along with traditional methods of multi-cropping such as those once practiced in the Punjab. All working people have common cause with the farmers of India and should support them. Thank you, VICE, for covering this story.
Organic farming isn't the way forward. sri Lanka tried it last year. After massive output loss, they backed out
Govt wants the farmers to move onto multiple cropping . The farm leaders attempt to retain elements of the older regime are maintaining unsustainable agricultural practices . Punjab farmers in the 1960s were quick to take up new agri practices . No longer the case because while the farm leaders cry over problems , they with their blind worshippers in the farming community itself have vested interests in their persistence - reasons are feudal (amazing how village communists in Punjab have feudal outlook)
Bill gates has also something to do with the new farmers rule in india but thanks to the farmers protest for its withdrawal i hope indian farmers dont get exploited once again by these rich western people
@@dipjyotimitra186 I don't think anyone disputes that you get lower initial yields with organic farming. The question is really one of sustainability over time. Switching to 100% organic in a year or two is certainly not realistic, but a more integrative approach might be
@@udayviruppal3730 I thought the farmers wanted price supports for additional crops beyond wheat and rice? I can see why they would not want to move to multicropping if they get no price supports - they could lose everything.
Good report but You did not mentioned(or deliberately missed) an important point. “ WTO and USA putting pressure on Government of India to reduce or abolish MSP and Subsidies, given to Indian farmers “. As under WTO laws it comes under trade distorting practices. Would love to know your point of view on this
Thanks 🙏
The WTO is an imperialist organization based in Geneva that only works in the interests of its founders, i.e. Europe and the US, and big donors like China. Before, the WTO told India that it was in violation of the rules for providing Indian people with affordable generic drugs (because this threatened the profits of big European and American pharmaceutical companies who produce the big-brand names) !
@@AnonymousReader-er4eg Agree 👍
world is so dumb... they on one hand forcing the govt to reduce subsidies and msp as it is against WTO norms...and on one hand you guys supported the farmers demanding msp and subsidy.. how hypocrite you guys have become
@@rishabhpatel2051 That’s Why I asked it, because everyone attacks Government to provide but not know technicality and feasibility of it. People and media just love to blame Government for every problem.
This is vitally important context, but it isn’t any surprise that Vice didn’t cover that. Thank you for sharing.
For anyone interested in leaning about this in more detail there is a great book called “can we feed the world without destroying it”
Simple answer we can't. We have to reduce our population, diversification of our diet, reduce meat and improve grain quality. All is not at all possible with corrupt politics
bruh books suck
Maybe recommend TH-cam video, no one is going to read a book let alone pay for one
@@tylererb9538 i read books. Charles Dickens books. Works of art. Not just another google tab opened. An experience. Put phone aside saviour a book. Can concentate solely on the subject.
@@tylererb9538 A google search and reading a book are so different. Sure, searching on google may give you a simple answer but books offer so much more information. I mean the author may have spent years researching the topic and consolidated their findings/conclusions into 1 book. No having to comb through tons of sites and fact check everything. I'm sure you could find the information that's in any book online, but if you aren't even aware of it how are you meant to find it?
This is why I roll my eyes when big aerospace tech spend billions and talk about colonising Mars and the Moon when we can't even manage Earth's climate and our food security in what (compared to Mars) is ideal conditions.
Those plants are going to be modified so much
Technological-wise, we know how to fix those climate and food security problems. The thing is, people just can't agree to start implementing the solution.
The human race is so corrupt that even if you would distribute the entire wealth of this earth, they would still be in crisis . . And again, you can not feed people not earning for themselves. Thats a foold paradose to be in . .
This is not a technical problem, this is a problem of politics and unscrupulous greed, we can fix the earth, the problem is do we want to?
aerospace technology is the very reason you can watch and comment on this video people miss the fact that so much technology that helps in every day life was only possible due to nasa investmenting all those years ago this is a government issue get youre facts right
Growing up in India I use to see a lot of different kinds of birds, ever since the use of chemicals and fertilizer and pollution.. only crows and pigeons are left, small species of birds and sparrows are now non existent in North India (Delhi, Punjab and Haryana)
This is why Black Face Trudeau Wants the Truckers to get force vaxxed - Justine Trudeaus Family owns 40% of a company that supplies Pfizer with Jab ingredients
That’s a great point. I rarely see birds much anymore other than crows and pidgeons. I was just wondering this past summer about where they might have gone.
@@daspicsman Google 35,000 reindeer dying all at once in Europe. Fish die offs, marine mammals of course. Then there is a Mad Cow like disease affecting Deer, Moose, Elk and some say mountain goats.
In New England, I haven't seen a crayfish in 15 years. Something is up. Not sure what to call it, but I would match this phenomena with the disappearance of rivers literally overnight. 2 rivers in France disappear literally over night. Mexico also. There are others, but I don't recall them.
Couple these with the Poles reversing at over 2km per day toward each other and a 1400% increase in Volcanism and Earthquake severity and frequency and one might think that Carbon Emissions MIGHT NOT be the cause of climate change.
This comment is a sample of common superstition about agriculture , chemical fertilisers are nothing but industrial production of plant nutrients , like how we take vitamin tablets , all are naturally occuring chemical compounds when plants die and decay in soil, DAP mentioned in this video is dy amonium phosphate which is a naturally occuring chemical when plant die and decompose in soil, NPK fertiliser also , when plant decompose in soil, bacteria produce nitrogen phosphorous and potasium,
On proper quantity , chemical or organic , all fertilisers are same in micro condition , some organic brands spreading chemical fear among ignorant poor farmers , for their business ,
@@farzanahameed476 fertilizer causes big issues with the quality of the water, the run off from overly fertilized farms kills fish and other organisms and creates huge red algae blooms which are toxic to fish and people and people in village mostly drink from the wells which are polluted as well. Same water then flows into rivers etc causing much issues with drinking water in cities. No wonder the municipal water in all the states are not safe to consume. I haven’t even mentioned the pesticide and herbicide that is used to kill the organisms in soil and weeds. Only big Aggra business like Monsanto wins and everyone else looses. The only way for India is to tackle by going organic! The way our parents and grandparents used to grow food and eat.
Very similar issues to our agriculture system here in the US. Too much reliant on big ag companies. The industrial agriculture complex is a real unseen issue.
check what he said on 14:20
Yet, liberals continue to subsidize corporations in many industries.
@@tuckerbugeater what liberals?
@@tuckerbugeater Sure, that is why Monsanto gives Republicans 4x the political donations as they do Demarcates.
@@tuckerbugeater reason both parties subsidize is because if cost was only factor, then agriculture would likely go to China like rest of industry and it's one thing to rely on China for tech, but it's another to rely on them completely for food.
This video made me so sad for these farmers and the state of agriculture world wide. I grew up on a small farm in Minnesota. My dad farmed 160 acres (a very small amount). We barely made enough money to break even and the money that was left had to go to next year's seeds. We were in a very difficult place financially. As corn prices continued to decrease my father had to stop farming about 3 years ago and rent out the land to corporate farmers. There is no way to make a living in agriculture unless you are a corporation, and it is really sad for small farmers.
In India you will rarely find someone who owns more then 1 acres of land
In India most farmers own sub 10 acres of land and they sustain themselves easily if there is proper rains and no calamities
@@vishnuramesh2514 you're in delusion
160 acre is small part, my mother and her 4 siblings got their equal share from their dad's 1.8 acre land.
a person having 20 acre of land in india is considered as big farmer, and most indians have less than 2 acre of land
The pesticides that monoculture farming requires also completely devastate wildlife. In parts of the USA, wild bees are virtually extinct because of the overuse of pesticides.
thats not true!!!!
This is why Black Face Trudeau Wants the Truckers to get force vaxxed - Justine Trudeaus Family owns 40% of a company that supplies Pfizer with Jab ingredients
@@BLDUBMUSIC please enlighten us with the truth then!
@Gala we basically wiped out all the wild bees long ago, and we did it without Chems!
We inadvertently killed them by introducing and maintaining so many European bee hives, they displaced the natives generations ago.
You see there are over 3000 KNOWN species of solitary bees that are native to eastern US, we only have a few kinds that make hives, most of them live solitary lives, they are super important to pollination, even today honeybees are NOT responsible for pollinating most plants. These natives are super secretive and literally live in a hole in the ground, most don’t make hives and very few make honey, what’s worse is that they look bland… so we don’t notice them even if we do see them.
They’re seen as useless by human standards, so they might as well not exist
I would attribute Bee loss in North America to the increased use of phone towers, not pesticides.
@@swayback7375 ok then let's sue Monsanto ,Bayer and others chemical companies like we did with big tobacco.
as a farmer myself here in s small country that is Indonesia, i feel the same heartbreak. sad.
What happens in Indonesia?
Indonesia isn't small.
Small? It's the fourth most populated country.
Lol small and indonesia 🤣🤣
What type of drug do you take
I am a Indian not indonesian then also I can tell you it is not a small country
Indonesia and small!!! Are you ok bro?
The sadness in the eyes of the farmer is heart wrenching. May God give you strength
These people can build nukes for fighting Pakistan but not make their own seeds?!
@@morrisjohnsonakamj6346our goverment done want to help us we suffer the most and they get their food very low prices where we baely break even
Hi there, you might find some of the videos on the playlist on my channel interesting or maybe even life-changing! Anyway all the best to you!
@@morrisjohnsonakamj6346 You missed the point entirely! We spend the largest amount of any country on the Pentagon, we don't make our own seeds here because the corporations have made farmers here just as dependent on them as they have made the farmers in India dependent upon them! Do your research!
Farmers of the world are in a tough spot. As the world urbanizes, political power gets even more concentrated in cities and governments are pushed to maintain low food prices. But this automatically undervalues the work of farmers. This leads to subsidies, support prices and fixed procurement all of which reduce the farmer's independence. The real crisis in farming is its economics and politics, rather than its ecology.
Yes you are right, in usa 1 man owns very larg land, but the problem is here that, too many people and lands are divided, in this small land using big machines isn't cost effective. And you can't also enter your field with out crossing others, tractors are used but other than that
This isn't exactly true. I work in automated food processing here in the US. The machines are efficient but very costly. The big farmers can buy it but the small farmer cannot afford them. Now the small farm cannot compete and the big farm buys them out. The big guys get bigger and bigger every year. And they become very influential politically. Just look at California. Millions under drought restriction and they export more nuts ever year, one of the most water intensive crops. They take millions of gallons of water and make billions of dollars selling nuts in Asia. Then they tell you to conserve and fine you for watering your lawn on the wrong day LOL. They are very influential politically.
@Tyt Xlx easy to say, hard to implement.
It's both. Monocultural farming is putting a much bigger strain on soil and locks farmers into buying seeds by a small number of providing corporations.
You’re bang on.
At 2:16, its incorrectly claimed that Govt. Provides subsidies only on wheat and rice there are 23 crops in MSP basket, govt. Just procures less of the other 21 crops because they are consumed less by the poor. Besides Rice is a water guzzling crop and one of the chief reason for water deficiency in Punjab.
You are partially right. MSP includes 23 crops but have you seen anybody selling their maize, moong, cotton, chickpeas more than or equal to MSP? Not even wheat, rice has this scenario except Pb, HR regions. So, the legal implementation of this crop MSP umbrella is must for diversification.
@@harmeetsingh4354 Legalisation of MSP today will create problems tomorrow just like MSP for paddy and wheat have created problems today like over exploitation of ground water.
Chill bro, vice is a propaganda channel
@@harmeetsingh4354 this is the dumbest thing i have heard.
Ur solution to the problem is to do more of what has created the problem.
Remove MSP entirely. MSP is the most useless bs idea.
MSP cannot be given to all crops entirely because the govt doesnt have unlimited money
@@thechlorinator1803 despite of covering more crops under legal MSP(for solving water and biodiv, agri issues), you are suggesting about removing it. Then, i guess basically you want India to be bagger for food grain like it used to be before 1960s.
Bro may be you can afford luxury food in your plate, but not most of our common people. Seems really smart and responsible citizen you are.
What a downfall for a state which was onces India's Richest state. As of Today Punjab ranks 15th in Per Capita income & i won't be surprised if they slip below Bihmaru states from where (As of Today) they get their labour from. A state like Haryana managed to gain some momentum (Thanks to the Auto & IT industry) but Punjab with sooo much talent is going down. I see yet another West Bengal in Making, get your act together before it's too late.
No thanks to those know it all American scientists and corporations shilling their seeds and pesticides
Bengal was one of the richest region of India holding 12% of the world's GDP, then after independence when West Bengal formed they removed it as a capital, and never really cared about it's potential and look at it now.
Punjab will change after Aam Aadmi party wins…they are devising plans to make agriculture more profitable.
*Punjab is next bengal that's for sure,for that downfall part*
*Maybe next kashmir (as the things are, maybe by 20 to 30 years give or take)*
@@user-kr5ie5sh7x really? You are out of facts my man.
Very sad hopefully they can go back to growing better more valuable crops that don’t destroy their land
Goverment tried and failed. The best chance is that they move out of agriculture or wait some years so goverment could get enough funds to pay them to change their crop patterns
Some state Govts tried and failed. They are not interested in diversifying their crop pattern. And the reason for that is MSP.
Such a tragedy. I’m Punjabi myself 2nd generation in the west. This region is one of the most beautiful places. My parents often talk about how it was in the past. Households had their own desi ghee, milk, wheat and other foods. It was pure. Those days People were healthy, and lived wholesome lives.
When i go there i think, i wonder how this land looked like 100+ years before. No air pollution, green, and abundant. Long gone are those days. Punjabis were known to be strong and fit
Our people are ruined by these so called modern farming techniques using Monsanto GMO crops, pesticides+ chemicals. It has enslaved our people. Ruined them financially and effected their health.
We must return back to how it was like during the times of our grandparents or great grandparents.
Why do u type essays on TH-cam
When the govt introduced these GMOs and stuff in the 1960s, we did not know about the problems and Punjabis too welcomed it as an enterprising community then. For the last 40 years , we know the problems in clarity and even as the other State Govts like Haryana have come to acknowledge these and even have left behind the idea of Green Revolution but Punjab still holds fast onto it. The reason is State's political economy. Just see why Punjab doesn't even have a diversification policy because the so-called "Jatt intermediaries"(big landlords having taken to intermediation in marketing) have enormous influence on State politics. When the central govt tried to correct it with those 3 laws , the "farm leaders" spread all sorts of fake news . At the end of the day, surveys already indicate that most farmers holding an opinion against simply don't know what the laws were . Many still gathered around Delhi because these farm leaders(having big landlord backgrounds) command respect in the local village communities...
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
@@subhadeepbanerjee9191 You wouldn't be typing this comment or living your cushioned life if it weren't for the industrial revolution you muppet!
@@rahilvig8185 trust me you bigbrain genie, I wish I wasn't able to type this rn.
Hello! we in the USA did this to our society and economy first with the same devastating results occurring from 1915 until the 1990's!and still occurring today! We have the same problem and require the same answer. Nobody will accept the answer because it means total economy collapse and reset. the polyculture movement is great but it cant price compete without an end to the subsidies, and even the current farmers don't want that because its to scary to imagine the intense economic and asset struggles it would cause for them, and the temporary food shortages and massive price fluctuations that would ripple for over a generation through the entire population. ultimately it would create a massive demand for farmers again if we ended subsidies, and push any society that did that back to an agricultural economy. But India has even less flexibility to do this, because if one country in the world (USA and CHINA)uses the method and they can trade freely with your country without tariffs and limitations, they will undercut your farmers and your society becomes destitute like the many "third world " nations unable to subsidize their agriculture because they are to poor and in debt to the IMF.
No, india has import tariffs on crops precisely for food security. They don't want foreign farmers with subsidies to undercut them. The government routinely lowers the tariffs in times of shortage and raises them back up.
@@thunderb00m goverment is being forced to remove it. Because service export is much bigger compared to farming exports, if foreign goverment restricts services import from India, India will lose 70% wealth overnight and farmers are going to die anyways.
@Yarxk yes thats apart of it all, alot of food may be available, but opportunity to acquire better living standards are few and far if available at all
in Village India, its run on emotions and blackmailed by local leaders and peer pressure. it would need another social revolution at social level. It would take time for farmers to learn be self reliant , education and learn to incorporate traditional and modern techniques as well as support by local state government and society
These people can build nukes for fighting Pakistan but not make their own seeds?! You want the government to give you chickens and feed them too? how about harvest your crop for you also?
Indian farmers are very rigid and Don't want to change. Without crop rotation we all are doomed
The video literally went over how farmers used to grow various crops, but the US, UK, and India told farmers to only grow 2 crops so large industrial suppliers could exploit small farmers.
@@GB-gy4ry thats not possible. U know the govt uses tax money to pay for msp crops so now if u include all crops the amount of money required would be insane, the inflation would sky rocket
Traveling to India, it was really difficult to see the poor living condition of farmers in villages, and also those who migrated to the cities living poor. When I was in Delhi, smoke and dust choked my lungs. It was easy to forget at that time that the country houses some of the richest billionaires in the world.
where u specifically visiting poor parts or something?? and smoke choking lungs thats due to stubble burning..
need to stop that
I have visited india 3 times to more 15 cities/states including villages of Rajashtan, Haryana, UP, Bihar and some at south. Also along the way on my road and train trip across the country. When I was in Delhi, the fog or smoke or whatever u called it shortened my sight and caused me to cough. I'd say go to India. Beautiful country and culture and I wish to go more and I will. I promoted India to friends/people who never agreed India as a tourist location. I just wish some some of this aspects are improved especially on inequality issue. That's all.
@@xyzrrana7851 oh he's not a troll, I've lived outside India since childhood but every time I go back in the winters it's worse every time, either I didn't notice this when I was a kid or it's getting much more worse year after year. God knows how I coughed my lungs dry in November and December 2021
@@xyzrrana7851 insecure nationalist spotted
@@xyzrrana7851 Lol learn to take some criticism. It's because of this blind nationalism that we went from being a potential future superpower to having our country fall further in the hunger index.
“No farmers no food” its a fact. We should respect farmers because they are the reason we are alive today..
Absolutely. We need to support them any way we can, and vote people in that will.
Yeah but in this case, it's counterproductive. Food for no one, debt for the nation, desertification for land and cancer for the locals. Can provide academic sources for each claim.
We can import, govt. Can takeover it, Pvt. Can takeover
These people can build nukes for fighting Pakistan but not make their own seeds?!
@@morrisjohnsonakamj6346 *for fighting China
We already make GMO
Watch the DW documentary on farmers and pesticides. Farmers have some of the highest incidents of parkinsons and alzheimers. It's terrifying seeing these burning plots and knowing that the pesticides are also wreaking their own level of havoc. Seriously it's the only DW documentary I couldn't finish because it unsettled me so much
You don't really care
@@blokin5039 👌
This told me everything in 15 minutes that the Indian media failed to in over a year. Hope the policy makers and the government currently and the governments to come can find a solution to this largely increasing problem.
The whole Indian media was demonizing farmers without addressing their plight.
@@SaxonFaust Punjabis simply extended their suffering for a few more decades by the repeal of those laws. Punjab will continue to deteriorate until nothing much can be grown on its lands.
Their protests are like the ruckus that alcohol addicts make to ensure their families continue to give them money for their addiction habits. MSP is NOT all that different.
@@jarjarbinks3193 You do know...the farmers protest wasnt only just confined to farmers from Punjab. Infact, the large majority were farmers from the neighbouring states with farmers from Punjab speardheaded the campaign.
@@haphazardblizzard799 I am from the South! Hardly anybody cared about those protests here.
Apart from Punjab, there was probably support for the protest in Haryana (which was also part of Punjab once) and Western UP. That is pretty much it. In all other places, nobody cared. It is because farmers in other areas are NOT all that dependent on the government for MSP.
Much as I laugh on your utter lack of knowledge of the protest that took place. Or a pretence that the protest was only confined to few states just to downplay its significant is nothing but a sign of complete delusion. But on top of everything I am even more surprised to hear that coming from someone from "south" who could have an objective point of view. So now ready for the few facts from ground:
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Let me know if you need further evidence to help you brush up your knowledge.
The farmer's won in successfully bringing back old draconian farm laws which led to suicides of more than 60000 farmers in india.. no body talks about that
laws are not the cause of suicide but government and big banks are.
Politics hai vro, in this tussle between right and left only our people will suffer. Its easier to fool a person than convince them they've been fooled.
@@main490 but not middle men? Who loot the produce of the farmer's at cheaper price? Banks provided lowest interest rate to the farmer's? How are they responsible? It's shame that 1 or 2 state farmer's are responsible for revoking the farm laws which are not opposed by farmer's of any other state ..I don't know if the farmer's of 1 or 2 states won or lost..but the farmer's of rest of the country are definitely lost by revoking the new farm laws!!!
@@mnd3607 time to educate modi bhagat, first of all, if you have left your home to see,there were farmers from all over the country. Farmers wanted minimum price on their crops and without that you know what will happen? How a non farmer modi bhagat will know, go to bihar if you want to know more, bihar don't have msp for over 2 decades, that's why they stopped farming and started migrating to punjab because private companies weren't paying good price.
@@main490 Delhi highways is not entire country...Punjab is a small state compared to rest of india ex..not a single protest is held is kerala karmataka maharashtra orissa tamilnadu goa telangana andhra bihar assam Gujarat or North east states..all the farmers are really happy that old stupid laws are finally gone.....this agitation was fuelled by middle men by scaring innocent farmer's..if MSP is not ther for 2 decades then why it is issue for new farm laws..bihars and UP(who are referred to bhaiyas by dumb remote controlled CM) migrate to other states due to lack of support from their state gov due to corruption due to lack of development when compared to other states...so dont mix regional politics with msp or farm laws..I am not a fool pappu follower who speaks without using 🧠....our minds are not infused with drugs so we think sanely...pls keep your dumb ideas with you
Please dub this video in hindi or other regional languages... because the people who needs to watch this video most of them can't understand English
Please please please 🙏 @vice vice
I agree. Shouldn't be difficult to do since they just need to change the narration to Hindi or the like. Viewership will grow, so I guess it'll be good for the video (and the channel).
@Pierre In news like this isn't reported well enough in India. Most of the media is bought
If you still don't know, there are Indian subtitle available
Some people have created this holy cow about agriculture in india . Farm Laws was a necessity for deregulation, now no party is going to help them in next 30 yrs. the occupation itself is on ventilator and going to di a slow death. Romanticizing with agriculture must stop.
The so called "de-regulations" of agro laws were already in place in states like UP, Bihar, Madhta Pardesh etc...and those farmers have been in worst situation for a very long time. The send their produce to MSP paying states by the corporates then it gets sent further into the food logistics system.
@@haphazardblizzard799 bro that is a form of corruption. Because it damages the interests of farmers of both the regulated and deregulated state, only the middleman profits.
I have seen it in Haryana with grains coming from UP being procured here.
They deserve it. Hope Punjab becomes a desert
Matters are made even worse in Punjab as most of the population is immigrating to Canada/UK/Australia leaving a poor, indebted population.
Watching this, India's humanity, tolerance and respect for democracy puts Canada to shame.
and i remember Justin Trudeau teaching us democracy during the protest and now he himself ordered emergency in his state
Your Canada USA UK is the same countries who threatened India to punish bcz India so called "violated rules.". which is why Indian gov wanted to apply it .... USA and Canada wanted no subsidies for farmers in India etc. Which is why the farmers protest against Indian gov. The west is desparate wants Indian farmers to use and do what the western companies would say ..... from fertilizers to other farming equipments....
This west are the same country who refused to give medicines to India in times of dire need.... whatever small amount of medicine they gave the price was kept so high so that normal people wont get it just to profit American medical companies. That time too India was threatened and punished in WTO for violating so called rules. Today India supplies medicine at cheaper price to not only India but also Africa and whole South Asia plus Middle East etc... and is now called the pharmacy of the world only bcz our gov fought against the west plus one man became an entrepreaneur for medicine and is today successfull... all of this happened in 1960'-1970's ...
Vice news should have covered more aspects like green revolution, chemical fertilizers usage, msp policy, fci policy, ground water depletion, middle men system, stubble burning , farm laws, private investments, soil issues, pro n cons. Punjab would have been a good case to many states.
i guess that should be done by our indian media when they get time from like BJPee's boots
@@kaab9827 katua spotted
@@kaab9827 you dont hate BJP for their policies , you just hate BJP bcoz they pro hindu.
@@kaab9827 india media covered it. If u watch print channel u can find content but i am trying suggest for international audience. As there are many developing countries with agricultural background.
@@bhagyeshkotian1747 dang!!! the most straightforward answer
Do they even know suffering?
That statement hits hard
Corporatization of farming has resulted in the decline of the trade. Monsanto and other companies don't care about solutions. They care about creating problems that only they have the "solution" for and bill farmers and governments every step of the way towards solving them. Yet they never go away. They are here to stay forever.
Don’t forget that Bayer bought Monsanto in 2018. Bill Gates has been one of the driving forces in this destruction.
All over the planet
Monsanto has been bankrupt and sold over for Bayer for half a decade, yet you guys want to spread fake fear mongering with a company that no longer exists
Keep the topic alive
@@navinvent liar. Bayer paid 66 billion for Monsanto. I already mentioned this. Still owned by the same shareholders, and now they are doing even more damage, under the Bayer name. If you are going to shill, do a better job.
Destroying your land for crops that destroy your body (rice and wheat). Very sad.
I like the idea of organic farming but when you look at wheat and rice you have a staple that can be stored dry for months in a warehouse. Those fruits are nice when ripe but there are a lot of people to feed in India - almost 1.4 billion. In 2021 the fertility rate hit 2.1 and falling so maybe they are turning a corner to where they can consider new farming methods.
Large scale fruit companys don't have a problem and make things work for profit (the banana republic) so it can work if they want it to
Small scale, labor intensive farming has higher yields than corporate agriculture. India has the labor; they can produce enough to feed themselves without large scale agriculture. Poor policy decisions were made to leap frog to corp ag when it was unnecessary, because it was trendy, there were profits to be made and shared with multinational companies, etc.
why should it be the responsibility on state of punjab to bankrupt themselves to feed all of india? Aren't they a different people anyways that used to be independant before the british came. I am pretty cerain they are also sikh in a hindu nationist country that represses non-hindu's. They used to be the sikh empire and the biritish conquered them after already finished conquering most of the rest of the Indian sub-continent.
@@josh77577 Punjab is a part of India like any other state. I don't know why you are trying to call them a "different people". Apart from the Sikh empire, there were multiple independent kingdoms in India that the British had to fight, such as the Marathas and the Bengal Sultanate.
There are many problems with agriculture in India, but farmers in Punjab are actually one of the most wealthy when compared with those from other states. The problem is not specific to Punjab but is rather a national issue.
@@josh77577 in terms of wheat production, Uttar Pradesh comes first then Punjab and in terms of rice, west Bengal comes first then Uttar Pradesh and then Punjab. Every region has it's identity and culture. Uttar Pradesh alone has 5 different region. Also, sikhism came from Hinduism so, we share same teachings. Also, only 57% Punjab's population follow sikhism and 38%, Hinduism then, rest are other minorities. I hope, you will stop assuming stuff on your own.
After chiding India for not repealing the farm laws, the West is now trying to say why the farm laws are necessary
?!? No one is saying farm laws are necessary if you even saw the video.
This is Vise news brother.. not your typical western news house
And no one is saying the farm laws were a good move
Lmao truth hurts?
If they were so good why did you repeal them ?
That’s the Western imperialists for you with their agenda to keep India poor.
@@karman103batth4 he obviously did not see the video. There are a lot of pro indian government accounts that shill for the ruling party.
NOW people realise that farm laws WERE in farmers' favour. Media was blindly supporting the protest.
poor, workers, emotional, press button.
All that stubble burning hopefully would become a thing of the past with the government planning to bring in a policy to produce biofuel out of it and even the farmers would be able to generate a substantial revenue from it and also reduce pollution in cities like Delhi. It's going to be a win-win situation for everyone involved hopefully.
There seems to be a pattern of America “helping” other countries right to their own destruction
Not without doing it to themselves
Organic farming is not the solution. Sri-Lanka has a severe food crisis because of organic farming. We need science based crop rotation based on soil strength and weather patterns. But it's not beneficial for the corrupt govt officials to remove subsidies on wheat and rice and switch to other crops.
Organic farming is stuupid. Lets not forget our ancestors were always on the edge of starvation before industrialized farming.
The rumor that Govt will remove subsidies on wheat and rice is what caused the protests in the first place.
Yees! The answer is in science! backed application of fertilizer and pesticides, minimum use and correct timing ! combined with rotation of crops as you suggest! Integrated Pest Management!
that might be because it was rushed not because the principle is wrong
@@nosequiters No principal in organic farming is also wrong. It's outdated. You can't protect from pests, can't mass-produce with organic farming. Even politically correct, super progressive EU doesn't recommend organic farming. Non-GMO crops have low shelf life. Good farming practices (non-monoculture) with GMO+Fertilizers+Pesticides will give best yields that has long self-life and protect the land from errosion.
"The food is sick so the society cannot be healthy. And your food is sick because your agriculture is sick"
It seems very easy talk but the depth of these two sentences may ask further research.
I used to think that agriculture was problematic in Brazil, but India is another level.
New rule of indian govt would have solved the problem of monoculture in punjab... but the opposition political parties and farmers themselves were soo shortsighted and they together dig their own grave even bigger....!!... its true education and rationality is must for a society
If nothing happens soon, there will be an ecological disaster
How did those farm laws on their own would have solved the farming issue in North Indian states?? What was so substantive in those farm laws that you can help to elaborate?
@@haphazardblizzard799 😂Your questions are out of syllabus! this was not covered by Godi Media
So at the end the farmer leader says "Whole system needs to change" while protesting against the system change brought by Govt. What an irony !
Maybe the change by the government isn't what the change visioned by the farmer, since it will only further farmer collapse. Not an irony and it isn't that hard to understand. Farmer should voice their idea and government shouldn't just push their system, isn't that how democracy supposed to be?
My family were wheat and sheep farmers in the British Isles and Australia from traceable history until I was a little boy. The constant loaning of money to finance the next crop and just scraping by is nothing new, it's been happening for decades and decades. We need to find a solution to this globally or we will all starve. Farmers literally put food on our tables.
@Sea permaculture is still non scientific, should read the criticism of it by real scientists. Peer review is the best system we have to weed out fraud
Realistically wheat farming is never going to be very profitable, it’s just too important to keep prices low and only the largely non consolidated farmers have interest in higher prices
You’d need the profits per harvest to at least cover living expenses, debts and next seeds as to not require further debt. And prices are unlikely to ever get that high. And debt will keep you on that treadmill preventing transition to other uses.
The nature of the free market will eventually solve the problem, but it’s probably going to mean a lot less farmers and probably require constraints on corporate farmers as to stop shenanigans in the food supply
Loved this coverage. Are the incredibly high prices of wheat that we are seeing (feb 18, 2022) of 270 euro per Tonne in europe vs 200 one year ago and 350 dollars in USA vs 245 for the average of last year, being translated into better bids to Punjab farmers?
Punjab wheat is not of good quality due to excessive use of fertilizers, low water table etc. In India most people prefer wheat from states like Madhya Pradesh. Punjab wheat is mostly procured by Govt. and distributed for free to poor, and the leftover rots in granaries. Even the poor use the free grain to feed their cattle instead of self consumption. Govt. procures wheat at a loss only due to fear of losing Punjabi votes in elections and avoiding protests like these.
@@lastminuteprogrammer8511 WTF!
@@lastminuteprogrammer8511 AACHAAAAAA
Bruh 270is low it should be atleast 300
@@lastminuteprogrammer8511 someone said the truth
Good job Vice
Whenever I think Vice has lost its touch or is not as engaging as before, they come out with such substance…keep up the good work vice
Vice, farm laws weren't about MSP. The introduction in this video is completely misleading.
there is no info in 2020 bill about MSP. this was their main issue.
We tried organic Farming one year. With hybrid plants,We grow coffee.
Here are the issues,For one, it was expensive to buy organic fertilizer, and two, was also very difficult to get it. And yet we got the lowest yield ever.
This year we put company chemical fertilizers. We got three times as much yield as before, spending comparatively less for fertilizer.
But we maintain to put only once a year so that the soil doesn't loose it potency. Others put three times a year.
Needless to say the weather, the plant saplings and greed is few of the causes why Indian farming system failing.
Coffee is a low yield high maintenance crop ofc you got lower yields on coffee
@@ReclusiveEagle you get lower yields on everything.
1 in 5 children are food insecure, it's not like US which has 40% surplus, most people want cheap food. Most people want more food than more farmers and if corporate farms with high end tractors and processing machines can do that. They'd much rather have that .
@@navinvent exactly, now hear this I have this one coffee plant which is around 50-60 years old,maybe even more, you think we can just give up them?
So we fight. Even if I'm the only one.
The lower yield problem, is not exactly because of organic fertilizers. The actual problem is your soil condition. If you were doing monoculture for several years, your soil has probably been extremely degraded and the only reason you were getting good yield was because of the chemical fertilizers not the degraded soil. One year is not enough for soil health to recover because organic fertilizers are slow release by nature, meaning the nutrients are release into soil slowly and remain there longer. So you will obviously not see the full potential in just one year of organic farming. More over, the most important factor in soil health is the benificial bacterial and fungal network which gets completely destroyed by pesticides and lack of organic matter. For them to re-establish it will still take longer because they'll thrive as the contamination of pesticides gets naturally removed.
Organic farming is also a learning process. Practices like crop cycling and companion cropping helps a lot with organic farming.
I have heard about some shade grown coffee farmers going for mixed farming with avacado and cocoa, an additional benefit of which is that you get produce multiple times of the year.
Thankyou so much Vice for making this video ❤️ . It gave me a deep insight of the situation . I never expect indian media to cover this up .
Switch to "natural farming"...follow the "one straw revolution" farming methods... The whole world's farming MUST change...
yeah perfect!! because starving is cool!!
@@BLDUBMUSIC Please watch videos on permaculture, natural farming, and one straw revolution. Study more. For those of us who already learned this knowledge, we already grow our own organic abundant food. You and your family are still eating poisoned food from mass production farms that sprays at least 3 poisons before it reach your kitchen table.
@Arun Kumar Yes there is. Go watch videos on "natural farming", one straw revolution, and permaculture. Study these videos and you will know what I am talking about.
@Arun Kumar You need to watch the videos I suggested. Your reading is not enough.
@@ligbzd837 Unfortunately, for that to happen, there would be a massive amount of starvation.
I always thought that resting the land and changing crops is better for the nutrients in soil, thus keeping the land more fertile. Pesticides that continue to be used have no impact on pests over time thus requiring more. The people ingest the pesticides and crop quality and yields decline. There has to be a better solution. Why are only 2 crops subsidize? Including more subsidized crops helps farmers to grow a larger number of different crops. Would that not help?
You can just what a agriculture scientist said, no need to share a opinion you are unsure of.
Farmers are literally killing good bacteria in the soil by burning harvest byproducts.
It is time for India to move its population out of farming and into service and industries. Let the private sector move into vertical argiculture.
@@highpeaks3598 good intentions about vertical farming.... but no not the private sector
@@highpeaks3598 any attempt at change is completely shot down.
As we saw with the farm laws, instead of even negotiating or amending the offending bits.
It was our way or the highway approach,
Reforms died for the sake of political convenience.
Maybe Punjab will turn into a desert before another chance rolls around.
There is a lot more to this story. This video doesn't tell you why they grow only wheat and rice? This video doesn't talk about the free electricity farmers get to run their water pumps. This video doesn't talk about that the government introduced farm laws has no mention of MSP removal. Farmers of Punjab has always been more entrepreneureal. I have only one question, why farmers of Punjab are not growing any other crop like lentils, millets and oilseeds crops which India heavily imports from other countries that too at a very expensive price (compare to wheat and rice prices). All my reading about the protest and farm laws gave me one conclusion; minimum support price (MSP) of wheat and Rice is working to the detriment of farmers. India is a surplus producer of these two commodities. Just because farmers know that these two crops are sure going to get them guranteed money via government MSP. However, reality is that lentils, oilseeds will earn them more fortunes. But the jaded mindset and mirage of MSP is not letting the farmers come out of their comfort zone. There are other states in India which are heavily agriculture dependent but there was little to no protest against the farm laws in those states. Albeit, Indian state of Madhya Pradesh contributes more Wheat to Central government procurement then Punjab yet there were no huge outcry in Madhya Pradesh for these farm laws. All indians are indebted to farmers of Punjab for the abundance of food grains but now is the time to tidy up again and turn the tides in your favor with Green Revolution 2.0. I would end my comment by saying that the farmers of Punjab needs to transform their farming practice by growing out of the MSP trap and rethink their farming. You just need to show your fighting spirit and courage in changing the crop you grow. I am sure you will come out with a success just how you succeeded in pushing government on retreat on the farm laws.
Another educated delusional preacher. Sigh😒
The Green Revolution saved India from famine and is continuing to save it from famine. There is no chance that 1 acre of jungle is producing anywhere near enough calories to replace the industrial grain farms.
A side note, the son of a minister who killed multiple farmers with his car was granted a bail.That’s Indian justice system for you
That's why places like punjab are having a major brain drain. No one wants to stay in a place that has corrupt leaders like that.
The farm laws would have never removed the MSP. 700 people did not die in police action as vice would lead you to believe. The farm laws is the only way for farmers to cut out the middleman, get out of debt, increase profits and switch to a sustainable farming practice. Just putting it out there because Vice obviously chose not to.
But due to govt imposing farm laws on them. This is the most corrupt govt in India in 1000 years.
Yes, Farm Laws were really good and whatever few problems it had could have been easily fixed with time. But the western media just wanted to destabilize the situation.
Who are actually the middleman?? The people who are there to procure the agro produce are actually state govt employees licensed by the government.
worst case ending: we'd be seeing documentaries about how Punjab was once this agricultural heart land of India. Greed is destroying humanity.
I was quite relieved with Vice coverage (In today's biased media age) on other issues where both sides get evaluated. I see this as a one sided coverage without any analysis of farm law. Anyways now that those are repelled, so no need to discuss. Let's wait and watch how guardians of farm protest navigate farmers on modern agrarian realization. I see no more opinion columns by eminent journalist, as this topic seems to be not trending anymore or does not brings any rise in paycheck. Government is not there to solve every problem. Being a private employee we contribute to country infrastructure by paying tax, but we do not blame Government and demand for health,education subsidy
Great report, thank you! 5:04 it doesn´t only deplete the soil, it completely destroys soil biology over time. Regenerative organic farming is the only way out of this mess. The governments and big corporations need to change their focus and start to step in more, to support this healthy cycle for future generations.
Soil is biological my friend. Without lifeform/biological life, soil will become sand sooner or later.
I blame Punjab politicians for this mess. They have made farmers like addicts that want a constant fix of free water,free electricity.Not a single local party raises the issue of sustainable farming.Whole situtation is kinda sad .I believe farm laws were step in right direction,though benefits were not communincated very well
The laws may have been good in some parts but in actuality no one trusts the government to completely act on them. India has a loophole for everything. Better implementation is needed.
Farm Laws is best for farmers there have been Big land lord oligarch which is opposing it because they dont laid punjab do be an industrial hub they wanted punjab to plunge into an old model as we see how gujrat maharastra now up hyderabad is transformed agriculture economy dont create most job's land productivity is limited water is also running off . In this matter of farms protest only this poor henchmens lords are win not these people many of my relatives live in punjab they are absolutely happy for reforms but we have regret that govt knee down in front of these draculian land lords
you want to tell how many of your relatives were actually with the reforms? If so, who guarantees the procurement ? Ask someone who lives in state like Gujrat or Maharashtra..to feel their misery of living in a chaotic urbanised place.
Indeed, our India needs to restablish the ancient way of farming🇮🇳❤
As an Indian I am appalled at how poorly researched the India bit at the beginning is.
1. There are thousands of videos of ppl in the protest unable to tell what they were against.
2. Indians hereknow that the protesters were primarily land owners from a community protesting against the removal of their role as systemic intermediaries that ate into farmer's margins.
3. Another reason was the ban on stubble burning.
4. The car ploughing through farmers was attacked by goons in the protest because it belonged to the ruling party, 2 ppl in the vehicle died the others survivved only because the driver accelerated carelessly.
5. Basic economics will tell you MSP is untenable for any economy
6. It was a perfect case of the old elite feudal lords paying poor people to protestby telling them that their land was being taken away.
They setup a brothel on the highway and butchered a mentally unwell person there on video for allegedly disrespecting their holy book.
bhakt
6:03 this here is the middleman that eats up a huge profit margin of farmers. Govt tried to remove this middleman system and allow farmer to get in a contract directly with an MNC and get paid accordingly. This was going to be privatisation of Agriculture in India.
Please don’t cry further and expect help when more farmers are driven to loan debts and end up in suicide.
These farmers great grandfather's were never been growing grains before they were begged to grow grains and were handed expensive fertilizer by these so called develped countries and now they are only forcasting that Punjab will turn into desert in the coming 25-30years...
What an exploitation we see here
How can you do a story on this without mentioning Monsanto? They created seeds decades ago that grow crops that cannot produce viable seeds for replanting, locking farmers into buying new seeds every year instead of using heirloom seeds and breaking out of the cycle of debt.
Without Monsanto India wouldn’t be able to feed itself.
Thanks to Monsanto and others, hundreds of thousands of farmers have commited suicide.
The sad part about this is that it only focuses on Northern part of Indian farmers. The farm laws were much appreciated in the southern part and now they've repealed the laws because idiots wanted them to be repealed
Central and even southern central parts of India like mp participated in the protest so.... 🧢
@@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767 yeah but andhra, Telangana, kerala, tamilnadu and other southern most States saw very minimal participation. In fact, in Telangana we welcomed the changes since this means we can sell our produce wherever we like unlike what is today that we take them to the local mandi. And the other factor important for us was that the MSP was supposed to be minimal sale price or the bottom limit. Instead, over the years it became the upper limit that is it became the maximum sale price and the only option we have is to sell to the local mandi at MSP or not sell the produce all together. With these laws, we saw light at the end of tunnel wherein we sell our produce at the price we want and it is left to the consumer to decide whether they purchase it at the price we quote or not.
Firstly make sure that were they real farmers or not I'm from the state of bihar India and ironically my whole family is also farmers and i belongs to very rural area where people are mostly dependent on agriculture but not even a single protesters were from the state of bihar whose have most fertile land in whole india and whole population is dependent on farming these protesters were not farmers they are the middle man whose manipulation would have gone because they are only one who are manipulating and gaining profits
@@दीपकनागर-थ5छ Zameen dilade bhai, organic farming karni hai
I'm so sad farmers still seem to be seen as lower-class citizens even though they literally enable our survival as a species.
This is due to land fragmentation caused by generations of division of agricultural land via inheritance. The land held by each descendant every subsequent generation hence keeps getting smaller and the farmers keep getting poorer
Thousands of farmers commit suicide every year in India. Farming is no longer profitable in India. Modi government promised to double the income of farmers but instead double the cost of production. rising prices of diesel and fertilizers are bringing thousands of farmers under heavy debt every year. Government brought three laws to kill the already well tested system of marketing and throw farmers under the mercy of corporate. Farmers only demanded their right to live for more than a year around the border of national capital Delhi. They suffered summers of India and cold waves in winter. They were there during monsoon season and after the death of more than 700 farmers when government anticipated their defeat in upcoming elections took back the laws.
was waiting for VICE report...thank you... the government shud support and improve farmers if they want to talk about development.
@Ill Will yes it should be
Lol
@Ill Will no one wants to be a free loader especially the farmers but that doesn't mean they want to be at the mercy of big corporate companies
@@santbhindranwalejidefanche8767 Yeah and now they have been at the mercy of Govts from 1947 and still poor.
More subsidies for dealing with problems caused by subsidies. Great
Good work with the video! This is what the media should be doing. Thank you for bringing this to us, Vice.
This is why the world must change now before it's too late. I say to myself often I'm just waiting for the end to come but somehow I'm still hopeful that we can learn as a species.
The guy in the jeep running all those people over made me furious. How could you do that to some one ? Made me sick.
Punjab is sub tropical, they could be growing bananas, loquat, passionfruit, citrus, mangos and more. But they don't value trees there. Most of the forests are gone and the only ones left are poplar plantations for lumber. Its a very sad to see the degradation of the land there. Very similar to my home state of Iowa.
Amazing report! Just wow. Wish the Indian media did something like this. Instead all that we get is mindless panel “discussions” 😕.
And when modi wanted to reform, yall protesting..never will change mqn..
Exactly!
Those Farm laws could have improved Indian agriculture but vested interests like foreign influence and opposition party politics didnt let it pass.
Lol that's the excuses you blind followers bring up everytime . We all know how much a govt cares about farmers when it has stopped collecting data on farmer suicides since 2016. This isnt republican rules america that you give the peoples money to the richest 1% . Proud of the farmers 🔥
@@bloodwargaming3662 yeah cuz these so called farmers who make 2 dollars a day had enough money to protest for 2 years and buy AC tents right?
As for blind followers do u even know what the farm laws were?
@@thechlorinator1803 lol the whole of India was supporting them and 2) i don't know where the hell you are getting these bullshit stats from .
@@thechlorinator1803 yes we all know what the laws are .it's a way for modis billionaire friends to capture the agriculture Market
The producer and the consumer suffers while the middleman gets rich....
This is the main problem....
Farming should become a Govt Job , where people who have enough agriculture land and has ancestry of farming should be eligible for the job...
Govt can decide on the crops , provide seeds and fertilizers and take the profit also , And pay Salary , Pension and other benefits to the farmer for his work...
Bonus payouts to be given for Organic and high quality yield.
It’s kinda like that in Germany even though of course big farms are taking over small farms by renting the land, we have subsidiaries for farmers which are heavily regulated to ensure quality. Over all they can make a decent living but you need at least like 250 acres to make it worth it considering the amount of work and machinery that you still have to put in at the least. Also not everybody can come and buy land you have to be a farmer or make a joint venture with one to buy it.
Just like in the Ukraine in 1930s.
The whole farm protest was misrepresented in Media. The farmers who were protesting themselves wanted change in farm law and existing farming practices. But not the way govt had proposed. For eg, take the mandi or auction yard, govt wishes to do away with it. But farmers want to keep it as it's a support system for farmers. Without Mandies, it would like skydiving without a spare parachute.
Why is it that farm laws that are implemented in other parts of working fine and farmer are better off without the monopoly of mandies
Not the farmers, only the middlemen wanted mandis to thrive...
@@junkeboy India's richest farmers r in Punjab ! If d condition of Punjabi farmers is this, then I can imagine wats d condition of d farmers I other parts of d country especially d ones who produce non-cash crops !
@@junkeboy You want to give any examples where Non-APMC or Non-mandi system are working in the favour of the farmers?? The misery of farmers in states like UP, Bihar, MP are one of the worst and yet no media outlet ever had the courage to cover their misery.
@@junkeboy The Mandies don't have monopoly. Mandies are like govt hospital, just because they exist doesn't mean pvt hospitals can exist or flourish.
Incredibly one-sided. Consider the huge growth of grain production. I don't think it's easy to feed the most populated country, definitely not with organic farming.
Organic farming I wouldn't consider healthy once its on a "mass" scale, as you require organic pesticides(which is WAY more harmful, compared to safer gmo pesticides). This new anti science, is usually preached by these organic/antivax hippies, trying to preach their over cost organic foods. Science works, no matter how much people want to deny, it works.
Organic farming for small scale, if you plan not to use pesticides, may not survive as well.
And of course they are not wearing protection, just like other poor countries. quite sad.
@@koilamaoh4238 you can't blame organic way of crop cultivation completely anti-science. it is the traditional knowledge plus add ons which took a new name and needs research. the in-organic fertilizer are based out of petroleum and india pays a hefty price for import. science is ever evolving and you can't blindly just say petro-chemical fertilizers are superior. also mass conversion of farm lands to do organic based farming will be disaster. the cost of organic foods are high because it is labor intensive. there is no much innovation to address that.
Why do people bring kids into their miserable lives? I would never have kids knowing I'm miserable
Because
1. The family name must be carried on.
2. If they don't then who would support them in their old age.
That's the way it is in India.
@@GH-mj2ti Why don't they save the money they would spend on their kids for their old age? Kids cost $250k each from age 0 to 18. Is saving the family name worth all that suffering? Population is the source of all the problems in Inida (mainly lack of jobs and quality of life) and they insist on having more. China was the same as India in 1979 and they made a one child policy, now they're the second biggest economy in the world. If they insist on having kids, why not just have 1 and not 7?
i can tell you are a teenager
@@main490 I'm 22 actually. And people in Punjabi deserve the suffering they continue to bring on themselves
@@PassportGaming still very young and i bet silver spoon fed too, you are not going far in life with this attitude.
Isnt is astounding that after a group with 1% land mass that supplied food for decades and saved millions from starvation would be rewarded with debts and desperation.
In the three laws government allowed farmers to demand their own price and not the generalized one.
And, buyers can also keep sayinf no to whatever price they say as well, and keep saying no until their produce starts rotting and the farmers are forced to sell for cheap. Nice try, but...don't you even know what MSP means...it's right there...it's minimum support price, not 'my support price'.
Without MSP, farmers will eventually be pushed to under prices. Meaning...huge win for middlemen.
Everybody in India wants their share of entitlements but no one wants to pay tax , they love to protest and demand their “rights”, but no one knows where the money is going to come from. to pay for all of this. Farmers want MSP subsidies, but money doesn’t grow on trees. All these subsidies make the food they grow so expensive that the massive surpluses cant be exported , is dumped in storage where it rots
farmers pay tax when we get j forms and also farmers pay tax on diesel,seeds, equipments , fertilizers
in fact farmers pays more tax...the tax money spent on diesel for ploughing land is more compared to any other white collar job tax deductions
These people are all basically saying “We should have stayed with the old ways of farming. They were better.”
But…the old ways were going to lead to half of them dying of starvation…why were they better?
I think a balance in necessary & hydroponics seems to be essential in restoring land health, and providing enough food. But. Incredible amounts of funding and money is needed..
@@visual_honey - the public wouldn't have it. The current model is, essentially, the least expensive way to get the most food to the most people.
The people can complain and be like, "We should do something different! Something that is more in balance!"
But then, if the farmers switched to that...food prices would triple. And the people wouldn't be happy all over again.
"Food prices THIS much? This is crazy! They need to be cheaper."
So the people are not happy when the prices are low but methods are "problematic"...and they are not happy when you use more natural methods but prices are higher.
Seems like people just...refuse to be happy.
Essentially...they want the world to be different than the way it is. They want a different reality. A different chemistry/biology/physics than what we actually have.
But that's not going to happen. So pick your poison. Choices are:
1) Industrial Farming Methods Heavy on Monoculture Crops that Need a Lot of Fertilizer and Pesticides but are cheap and will lead to the fewest people starving.
2) Choose "Better" Farming Methods which are more expensive, will raise food prices, and lead to more people starving. But will be better for the environment.
Which choice would you make?
The farm laws were a reform to some extent but were poorly communicated to the farmers...
Govt must understand the farmers are already under huge debt and uncertainty on MSP only adds to distrust among them.
Sad to see the producers whom we respect equivalent to Army are in poor condition. I hope the situation improves soon.
@Vice why did you show people getting run over in such a manner with no real warning before at 0:53?
I live in Punjab and my family is one of the moneylenders and procurement agent for these farmers! There is huge need to shift away from this monoculture practice. The big shocker is that these grains aren't even needed anymore. There is more than a surplus, every year the crops of wheat and rice will rot in government godown. They purchase it for 1888 Rs.\quintal and sell it in PDS for 5 Rs. Per KG. They even thought of making ethanol with the excess paddy. So much water, input and hardwork, they want to decompose it into ethanol. Only a government interventionist program can achieve this economic output
That's interesting information. What crops are farmers shifting to?
The progressive Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) that has just come to power in the State has a unique opportunity to impact farming across India. Show the Nation what ecological aware modern farming can accomplish
Would like to know will productivity increase with uniform farming practices ran under big corporations? or is it better to have small scale farming instead? if better for a large corporation to run for security, would it be better for humanity as a whole and how will there be effective compensation for these farmers and reskilling?
Productivity will increase but they’ll earn less
Hmm so if you want productivity go with big corporations, but if you want security, then small scale.
There has to be a balance of the 2 that the government should decide.
@Pierre In I'm not pro-capitalism but that's factually incorrect.
Look at literally every item in your house. It was all sold to you for the purpose of making money for the company, it just so happens that happy customers make for ones that buy more stuff.
Not saying greed is great but to say it's achieved nothing is just demonstrably false.
To clarify my concern is around food security for the future. At the same time we need to look after ppl.
This is a very complex issue, needs thorough research for taking any step, we have many issues in this country, but we avoided starvation mainly due to this farming and green revolution. But needs new regulations, govt tried but without consulting farmers. Big corporations are getting involved, this is not good sign
The first example of agriculture is believed to be around 23,000 years ago,, yet we observe examples of animals being seed dispersers throughout history. Humans would have also been key seed dispersers and may have become conscious of their interaction with the fertility of our planet much earlier than examples of organised agriculture,,, the detrimental aspects of farming were a much later adaptation... so we already know what's possible.... build on that instead...
Farmers are the backbone of each country and should live like royalty.
This breaks my heart. How do we break this cycle of corporate greed.
Farming cannot be compared with any other business especially since not well to do people are indulge in it.
The thing is this protest didn't change anything for betterment. People say that those reforms were bad, but then what was your solution, because already situation was bad.
The one good thing those law brought was you can keep old system with you while experimenting with new system. Which was good because we dont know how things will play out.
But politics came into picture and here we are back to zero.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE when did i say this for demonitization.
And demonitization, after effects of it, srilankan economy, and farm laws are different topics.
If you want any comparison then compare farm laws with 1991 reforms, it came good for many and bad for some, same is for farm sector. Though not in favour or against the laws but you have to try because situation is not good now.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE thats what i trying to say in comment Old plus new system is good. Please read my comment again.
This is best situation where u can try new things while keeping old system.
My grandfather is a farmer from Rajasthan, there was no opposition to this law in our area, i travelled extensively during that time. Reason was simple because you have both old and new system. Basically you can still do contract farming but unofficially. Even we do unofficial contract farming, but things would have been better if it becomes legal.
@SURIYA SILVERLANCE even now there is no assurance of msp. Not all farmers are able to sell their produce through msp. Even there is no law regarding msp.
MSP will be there in new law just like it was in old system. If govt adds msp under law then it had to procure all grains mandatorily, which it cant do practically.
In todays system it is govts will how much it want to procure.
MSP is a lolipop not a right.
"Indian farmers staged the biggest protest in world history in order to force the government to take back reforms that would have ended an important subsidy." - This pretense itself is wrong. The MSP wasn't gonna go away. The new rules allowed more freedom. Protests happened mainly in 2 states, whose paddy has failed to clear the European food safety standards and it got support from overseas Sikh organizations.
This video is only showing one side of the story aka half truths..
Manmohan Singh government had wiped of farmers debt worth 2.00 lakh crore of debt. 12 years back. Then they became in debt again there is some problems somewhere. Which has to be corrected.
If this were in Canada, their bank accounts would have been frozen.
Yeah but in India it’s better they are just killed and cars are ran over them right
North Indian Farmers are getting some MSP
But here in Southern India (in Tamilnadu)
There is nothing like MSP because of most of the produce were bought by traders(mostly middleman)
you have to give your produce to middle man at market price (what price he tells)
And the labour cost+transport expenses are separate that the farmer have to bear
In the end recovering the initial investment is barely possible