@@TJH3113 Adaptability Mr Troy,that's why you are so high on my list,go through your own catalog and see for yourself. Any genre',any era you play it all to perfection.
It is, really, a treat to have a top bassist discussing a bass line in this level of detail. Wish there was a channel like that when I was a kid... Keep up the good work!
Troy love your work, you need to do more of these breakdowns. You should do some John McVae from Fleetwood Mac. Your Roundabout by Yes was awesome as Chris Squire plays with a pick and you play it with your fingers not easy.
That was great! Bringing all those little technical nuances to light is always very helpful for most anyone out there looking to add that extra spark to their playing:) Sure hope you'll do this more often as time allows:). Thanks so much!
Troy I am so happy you are doing this kind of video. Always had so much respect for you and your bass playing but the fact that you are sharing your knowledge is a huge bonus for us people learning to play. Thank you, your videos are always appreciated.
It's not really my thing, but I'm trying to broaden my horizons a bit and I'm glad you liked it. And thank you very much for the very kind words. I greatly appreciate them.
Wow! You really got into this piece of music, you're right on with all of the points that might be overlooked. The emphasis on some notes, note choices, the speed of one part and the articulation on other's is a show of your incredible ability to notice the hidden special parts as well as a nicely choreographed flowing part. It's really a pleasure to watch, listen and learn from your efforts. So glad you're doing this! Thanks!!
@@TJH3113 Your Welcome! I'm watching, learning and most importantly enjoying your endeavor. What a special thing your doing. As your moving through this incredible project, I'm learning in many ways at once. The note punctuation, muting and accentuating is just incredible! I could go on but you know so well the attention to detail that is at work. I hope you are enjoying this as much as you seem to be. Even though alot of this is beyond my ability it's pushing me to try and that's part of the magic right?! You don't miss a thing an that makes you the one to tackle this." Carry on" Sir! Lead the way, " To the point of no return "! Respectfully Chris.
Troy really enjoyed the way you dissected this song and gave a very clear perspective on how to play it. Giving incite to your methods and even alternative ways of playing. Very helpful. Thank you
I've very glad you enjoyed the video and, possibly, gleaned some useful information from it. Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment Kenny.
This is insightful and extremely informative. Keep up the good work Troy. I think advanced, intermediate, & beginners get a lot of good information from this. Thanks for the hard work you put into it.
Great video. A real joy to hear your insights to this bass line. Really makes you think about the nuances for the parts. Man, what a pleasure to watch! Thanks!
Awesome! I'm gonna love this series. I love hearing the isolated tracks and you explaining all the cool details. You're great at explaining everything! Love Dave Hope and you're doing him great justice. Looking forward to learning some of these songs.
Hey Troy. Thank you for that forensic breakdown of such a classic song. If anyone has been playing bass for any amount of time they would probably have come across this song in a band. It’s funny to see the levels in which our ears learn and hear. I first played this song in a band in 1983. Then again in a band in 2015. The differences in how I played the song are very different now. I’m sure I butchered it in 83’ since i had only been playing a couple years and they didn’t have TH-cam tutorials. We had to simply figure the parts out. In 2015 I heard a much more intricate bass line and played it as such. But even now, your video just pointed out a couple details that I missed. Thanks for this and for helping us all to become not only better, but more accurate players. 🤘😎
It was my pleasure. I hope you got something useful from it. It's very true how, as our ears develop, they are able to pick out more and more details. As you alluded to, when I first learned the song as a young player Im sure I was simply satisfied to be able to play a simple majority of correct notes. Now, the pendulum has swung in the complete opposite direction.
TJH3113 exactly. I’ll go back and listen to albums I liked when I was younger and I hear totally different details now. Almost like re-experiencing the album. Which is fun in its own right. Anyway, great stuff Troy!
Most days I come home from work and put Troy's TH-cam page on my big screen TV and play along for 2-3 hours. Today I playing Kansas Carry On Wayward Son.
Most helpful tutorial Troy. Your analysis of the structure of this song certainly speaks of your awesome talents. Coming from an accomplished bass player I can truly say that your bass critique is like an emulation of the original artist. As the saying goes... "A rising tide floats all ships." You always "rise" and shine to all your musical challenges.
I'm sure I'll have so much more to say after I watch this whole video, but first thoughts.....I'm so shocked that you are doing this I've been working on this one the past 2 weeks, slowing down your version so, I AM SO EXCITED for this one. I I had a few areas that I was wondering how to attack. So this is awesome thank you Troy. You're reading my mind.
Fantastic. I saw a good handful of mistakes I was making just in glossing over it. I really appreciate the time you put into this. It makes a huge difference to so many of us.
@@TJH3113 , quite a few things. seeing how it's supposed to be played on bass allowed me to not only fix my bass mistakes, but my guitar mistakes as well. Some of them anyway, but that's more on me.
I always wondered how hard these riffs were in this song and you totally satisfied my curiosity.=) Thanks a lot for the great in-depth instructional video on this! You really nailed it!
Troy, you are absolutely amazing and generous, for taking time to help us. Thank you for all the time you put in. You are appreciated my friend. Freewill wold be fun to see taken apart, or Last train to London ELO.
So nice of you to say. As always, it's my pleasure. I've thought about doing something like this with "Freewill" or "Spirit of Radio". We'll see. I have a cover of "Last Train..." off to the side that I'll get around to uploading at some point. That was a tough one.
TJH3113 Thank you so much. I'm so happy to hear that. You always make my day. I'm so looking forward to that. When I switched to bass my biggest goals were Vital sign, Sir Duke and Last train to London. Along with A LOT of others. But those 3 were my "must learn" first. Last train, to me has been the hardest, due to that AMAZING disco octave "low high high" (I don't know if there is a name for it ) by far the hardest rhythm to get down so far. But my favorite bass style. It's been a year and a half since my "switch", and I still haven't nailed it. But I practice every day. Also I get sidetracked to all the other amazing videos you put up. I'll always never be able to express my thanks and admiration. All my best wishes Troy.
It's the cleanest cover of that song I ever seen on the web. Great transcription and explanations with awesome cover. Thank you ;-) I played this song long time ago and I was wrong on many part of this bassline. But know I have a great reference !
Your right hand has the ability to be like silk and granite when the need arises. Your actuation is immaculate with what is needed. Thank you for your breakdown. 🙏
Excellent! I like how you dissect the song. Wow, you brought me straight home on this one Troy! I started playing drums in 1977, when this song peaked the charts. This tune is the MOST PLAYED by me on drums--hundreds of times--and never got tired of it. I have never attempted it on bass guitar , though it seems interesting. I like it when the bass player sings and plays; it really shows his gifted talent. Kansas is always a favorite band!
whew that guild is so growly. I've been working this up with my band in a 4 piece arrangement and wow you're killing it showing me exactly what he plays and where I need to modify.
Great job sir.. I love it.. I don’t know if you’d remember with all the messages you get ??but I told you when you did that walk through of your masks that I thought you would be a good teacher.. I do believe you are.. I can’t wait for the rest of your lessons.. thank you for all the time you spend doing this stuff.. have a great day..
Thank you very much. I don't remember it off the top of my head, but I'm sure, if you left it, that I responded to it with something along the lines of, "I don't consider myself as an educator of any sort." Or something to that effect. It's not a role I feel comfortable in, but I promised Tim that I would work with him on this project and I always try to keep my word... as painful as that may sometimes be. Haha. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment Drew.
Troy I love all your videos! Great Job! MY Favorite by Kansas is The Wall! I saw Kansas for the first time in 1983 during the Power tour. A friend of ours was a lawyer and couldn't go and gave us the tickets to the show!
Great tutorial! I learned Carry On by playing along with your 1st video of this song and have been a fan since. I lost 1/4 inch of my “bird finger” on my picking hand so on faster songs I’ve used a pick, though I keep working on playing faster using my ring finger instead of the bird, lol .Please keep ‘Em coming!
Thank you. I haven't seen my original cover of the song in quite some time, but I'm sure I added a few details in this new version. I'm so sorry to hear about the mishap with your finger. What happened? I'm sure, if you put your mind to it that you will find a way to overcome the hurdle. I'll try!
TJH3113 ,, oh it was an industrial accident some time ago. A stupid mistake on my part. I always played bass with a pick because Sir Paul did. As did Dave Hope and Chris Squire. My 3 favorite bass players. About 6 years ago I was asked to dust off the bass, rehone, my chops and join a cover band. We’re all older relics .😄 I’ve since discovered I really want to develope some finger picking skills for tone. I use my ring, index and thumb. Some of the faster stuff is still hard for me, but I keep trying to improve. I’ve been playing along with Leland Sklar on Dr. My Eyes today. Wow! If you haven’t seen his TH-cam channel, I highly recommend it. Thanks for replying Troy!
I’m sorry. I must have missed the period after the word “since” in your comment. So I read it as “...been a fan since I lost 1/4” of my finger... Sorry about that. I’m glad you weren’t forced to reinvent your technique. You may have seen me comment before that some of my favorite players were pickers. If I could use one, I definitely would. I’m glad you found your way back to the bass. Take care.
It's more fun to me to play the first C twice, dotted quarter-eight note style. I so so so enjoy your videos, man. You are my go-to to see if I'm playing something (close to) right. ;-)
Thank you. Ah, it's part of the magic... to a point. If I were playing it live, I'd probably pick my favorite one or two parts and just use them. Nobody would ever notice... unless it was a signature part like in many Rush songs.
Hey Troy, One of my favorite songs and I am soaking up all you are teaching. I agree, isolated tracks really show a lot of what is lost in the mix. When you listen to a Chris Squire "Roundabout" iso, you can't believe all the fret clanging, etc. But, that would be common for all bassists that dig in, especially with the Rotos. Awesome job, looking forward to more!
Hey Jon! Awesome, I don't consider myself to be a teacher or instructor in any sense of the words, so I'm glad that you're able to glean something useful from the videos. Yes, the isolated tracks reveal much that is hidden, not only with respect to the parts played, but what the player's sound was like. It's amazing what actually sounds good in a mix vs. how it sounds on its own, isn't it?
Brilliant. Your description of Hope's sound being analogous to a piano is precisely how I've felt about many Geddy Lee tracks, and strikingly so Cygnus X-1: Book 1 off Farewell to Kings. The first time I heard it I was maybe eleven or twelve, and I remember being a little spooked, and thinking how it sounded like a grand piano, but much more frightful. I thought there was no way a bass guitar could sound so malevolent and foreboding, especially starting at the 1:24 mark of Prologue. It was as if some evil were about to escape the speaker to attack me. Side note: these feelings were greatly compounded the first time I heard E5150 off Black Sabbath's Mob Rules, the most terrifying bass track I've ever heard. I thought the monster emanating from the speakers would literally tear them, and me, to shreds. This was played, I believe, out the back of my brother's friend's Dodge Pacer with custom speakers. Go figure. I was probably fourteen at the time. Hope's sound had a distinct and unique snarl, much like Lee, Chris Squire, John Enthwistle, Roger Glover, Gary Thain, Bob Daisley, not to mention many others. You seem to be able to emulate the sound most of your covers very well, and quite accurately. Loved your breakdown and all the interesting tidbits and pointers. Thanks for another excellent video! P.S. LMAO at "...these are the things that keep me up at night." You poor SOB. I know exactly how that feels!
Thank you Nope. I get what you are saying with regard to Geddy's sound. I liked your vivid description of how it resonated with you. Thank you for watching and for taking the time to leave such a great comment.
That was awesome. Keep ‘m coming! This song looks really difficult by the way. 19:00: haha yes, as with all the motor skills, as soon as you think about it, you fail :) Very curious what you’ll break down next!
Thanks. We're going to try. Yeah, it's funny how that works, isn't it? Hopefully I won't think to hard about breathing...haha. The next song on the album is "The Wall".
Very enjoyable thank you! As an inexperienced player (despite my age of 57) I’ve found its more fun now to work on getting as correct a sound as possible without attending college and learning to read notes again (I can read for a Tuba but the bass is a mystery). Broken down in small bits like this is really fun!
Lol, 15:00 the lazy guitar player way! We covered that song last summer as part of a medley with Hold On and Dust In The Wind. I fiddled around with that quick middle section on Carry for a long time trying to find the most comfortable and consistent way for me to play it. I tried the lazy guitar player way, but I couldn't do the pull-offs well enough. Ended up doing something similar to what you were doing. I needed this video a 15 months ago! :-D
Haha, yeah I played it in one band like that for that reason. It sounded better to have us both playing it the same way. I actually play it all 4 ways that I described in my play-along.
I like the idea of this. It would be cool to expand this to any songs you like playing. It teaches the song and also gives some interesting insight to the playing.
Thanks so much for posting this. I’m still struggling with this song, being a deaf bassist, so I have to break it down into measures and patterns. Then memorize them and put it all together. It’s a challenge to say the least.
@@bickleyjonas6145 I experience the same joy of playing music that any other musician does. I can “hear” the low bass notes by feel and with powerful hearing aids that help a little. It’s mostly just knowing where the notes are on the fretboard and staying on beat.
Fantastic insights into an iconic rock song. When you breakdown the subtleties of a bass line or why it was played a certain way, you make it a great learning experience. "You could play it that way - the lazy guitar player way" Too funny! Thanks very much!!
Wow , Thanks for sharing . I used to get frustrated when I fist watched your Videos . Now that I have been studying music and learning to read music I can follow much better, Thanks Again Troy. If I learn one thing it's a plus. The song is secondary .
Troy, that is a Beautiful Guild. I really need to get me a Bass again and start playing. Out of respect, is there a Bass I can pick up that you would recommend? I am thinking about picking up a used one at a pawn shop, but not sure I do not want a junker tho. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Thanks Richard, the Guilds have become some of my favorite basses. I'm glad to hear you are thinking of getting back to playing the bass, even if it is for your own enjoyment as I do. A bass I would recommend without hesitation would be an Ibanez Talman TMB 100. If you do a TH-cam search for "tjh3113 ibanez talman" you can see a few videos of mine. They retail for $199 new and they are fine basses that I would be proud to play anywhere. Of course, as with any instrument, there may be some differences between basses, so I'd recommend going to a store and trying a few out to find the one that agrees with you most. They make a higher end model that sells for around $600 and a really high end one that goes for $1,200.
Agree intently about Dave Hope, he was my first favorite player, and Kansas was my first favorite band, I’d be curious to know what the rest of the top 5 was and where Hope falls in, great vid Troy!
You know, while I always liked Kansas it's only been over the last 8-10 years that I became a much bigger fan after having seen them live a few times. Always loved Dave Hope though. In no particular order, my Top 5 List has Geddy on it, of course, Dave Hope, John Glascock (Jethro Tull), Rick Anderson (The Tubes) and Dan Roberts (Crash Test Dummies). Now, my attraction to Glascock, Anderson, and Roberts is only based off of an album or two's worth of material each, but those albums really resonated with me. Also, oddly enough, Hope, Glascock, and Anderson were all pick players and I credit them with really helping to shape my "sound", if you can call it that, as well as my style of playing. Thanks John.
TJH3113, great list, mine almost entire consists of pick players as well despite being a finger style player(mostly), my list in no particular order has John Wetton(King Crimson, Asia), Greg Lake(King Crimson, ELP), Mike Rutherford(Genesis), Dave Hope, Chris Squire whose probably my favorite if I had to chose one for his sound and input to the band(Yes).
Have to say - who the heck are voting these down. Love the tutorial pieces for these. One question - is that an add on stick or factory for the thumb rest? Didn't notice that on other Guild videos. Oops - sorry one more, what's the background program you use for this - really nice just having drums for this.
I don't lose any sleep over it. I have a pretty good idea who it is. I think I wrote about it on my "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me" video. The thumb rest is actually from Zero-Mod and it's made for a Jazz bass, but it nearly fits this bass. I just had to add one screw hole. The isolated track was one that I just found on TH-cam. I think there's a video with just isolated drums as well.
I love your video's!! I have a Guild B-301 that I purchased in Seattle 1980, as I still have. I would like to share with. It was the first real good bass I had ever had. I'd like to share with you.
Hey, Troy! You're an inspiration man. I've always liked this particular Guild bass you play. It hits unbelievably hard. Could I ask what strings you are using and if you have other secrets for this particular punch?
Thanks so much, Lari. Yes, I have a few of these basses and they all sound similar, but this one if my favorite. Oddly enough, it was the least expensive and the most beat up. I think it has to do with where the frets are... nearly at the end of their life, and if just grinds a bit more than the others. I use D'Addario EXL220's on nearly all of my basses and always play through one SansAmp pedal or another for tone/EQ.
@@TJH3113 Thanks for the response, man! I actually just had Prosteels on my bass and after changing them to Warwick strings I gained a lot more punch. I guess it goes to show that there are so much individual factors in play that impact the tone of a particular bass. I guess it’s all about experimenting which is half the fun :)
Troy, the Kansas Leftoverture book is fantastic. Thanks to you and Tim for putting it together. Do you know of any sources for the violin music? I can find a few songs online but cannot find a good catalog, e.g. the whole Leftoverture album. Thanks. Ed
Thanks so much Ed. Tim and I are both very proud of it. We both put a lot of work into it. Unfortunately, I do not know of where you might find the violin transcriptions, but I wish you luck finding them. If all else fails - figure them out for yourself and transcribe them. That's what we did.
“The lazy guitar player way”? What the hell, man!? I remember someone suggesting that you should do some teaching. It’s nice to see that there’s some people pushing you in that direction. (Though, dragged kicking and screaming is probably more accurate 🤣) Great video, with some excellent insights. The muting idea was interesting, and something that I never knew was a thing.
Haha... no disrespect. I actually played it that way with a band because.... well, the guitar player was lazy. It sounded better with us both playing it that way, so I adapted for the greater good of the song. The last time the part is played during my play through I play it all 4 ways I mentioned and you really don't hear too much of a glaring difference. Yes, dragged, kicking and screaming and procrastinating would be correct. I hate to tell you that I put close to 6 hours into it... it was a comedy of errors... fumbling words, forgetting to turn my mic up, Lynn running the vacuum, my neighbor blasting the radio (Reggae nonetheless), my brother in law mowing the lawn, the heat was building... Thanks Jim.
Troy, you’re a legend. Wouldn’t be surprised if you were in a lot of people’s top 5 bass players list too!
Yep I have Mr Troy at #3 behind Geddy and the Ox
Oh geez...
@@TJH3113 Adaptability Mr Troy,that's why you are so high on my list,go through your own catalog and see for yourself. Any genre',any era you play it all to perfection.
As a bassist myself, Troy inspires me to better at my music theory and diversity in the music I play.
@@retired4365 Good for you my friend
It is, really, a treat to have a top bassist discussing a bass line in this level of detail. Wish there was a channel like that when I was a kid... Keep up the good work!
Wow, thanks!
No one is better than you at this my man. You'd make Dave Hope proud.
I wouldn't say that, but thanks anyway.
Troy love your work, you need to do more of these breakdowns. You should do some John McVae from Fleetwood Mac. Your Roundabout by Yes was awesome as Chris Squire plays with a pick and you play it with your fingers not easy.
Geddy played it with his fingers at the Rock hall of Fame when he sat in with Yes. Troy, you're really good.
Thank you. Well, the plan is to do this album in its entirety, so that's a start.
That was great! Bringing all those little technical nuances to light is always very helpful for most anyone out there looking to add that extra spark to their playing:)
Sure hope you'll do this more often as time allows:). Thanks so much!
Thanks Lori, I'm glad you liked it.
Troy I am so happy you are doing this kind of video. Always had so much respect for you and your bass playing but the fact that you are sharing your knowledge is a huge bonus for us people learning to play. Thank you, your videos are always appreciated.
It's not really my thing, but I'm trying to broaden my horizons a bit and I'm glad you liked it. And thank you very much for the very kind words. I greatly appreciate them.
Wow! You really got into this piece of music, you're right on with all of the points that might be overlooked. The emphasis on some notes, note choices, the speed of one part and the articulation on other's is a show of your incredible ability to notice the hidden special parts as well as a nicely choreographed flowing part. It's really a pleasure to watch, listen and learn from your efforts. So glad you're doing this!
Thanks!!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave such a great comment.
@@TJH3113 Your Welcome! I'm watching, learning and most importantly enjoying your endeavor. What a special thing your doing. As your moving through this incredible project, I'm learning in many ways at once. The note punctuation, muting and accentuating is just incredible! I could go on but you know so well the attention to detail that is at work. I hope you are enjoying this as much as you seem to be. Even though alot of this is beyond my ability it's pushing me to try and that's part of the magic right?! You don't miss a thing an that makes you the one to tackle this." Carry on" Sir! Lead the way, " To the point of no return "!
Respectfully Chris.
Troy really enjoyed the way you dissected this song and gave a very clear perspective on how to play it. Giving incite to your methods and even alternative ways of playing. Very helpful. Thank you
I've very glad you enjoyed the video and, possibly, gleaned some useful information from it. Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment Kenny.
This is insightful and extremely informative. Keep up the good work Troy. I think advanced, intermediate, & beginners get a lot of good information from this. Thanks for the hard work you put into it.
I'm very happy to hear that you found some value in it. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave such a nice comment.
Great video. A real joy to hear your insights to this bass line. Really makes you think about the nuances for the parts. Man, what a pleasure to watch! Thanks!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome! I'm gonna love this series. I love hearing the isolated tracks and you explaining all the cool details. You're great at explaining everything! Love Dave Hope and you're doing him great justice. Looking forward to learning some of these songs.
Thanks. The roll out has not gone as smoothly as anticipated, so I'm not sure how things will proceed.
Do you think so? I feel as though I'm babbling.
Hey Troy. Thank you for that forensic breakdown of such a classic song. If anyone has been playing bass for any amount of time they would probably have come across this song in a band. It’s funny to see the levels in which our ears learn and hear. I first played this song in a band in 1983. Then again in a band in 2015. The differences in how I played the song are very different now. I’m sure I butchered it in 83’ since i had only been playing a couple years and they didn’t have TH-cam tutorials. We had to simply figure the parts out. In 2015 I heard a much more intricate bass line and played it as such. But even now, your video just pointed out a couple details that I missed. Thanks for this and for helping us all to become not only better, but more accurate players. 🤘😎
It was my pleasure. I hope you got something useful from it. It's very true how, as our ears develop, they are able to pick out more and more details. As you alluded to, when I first learned the song as a young player Im sure I was simply satisfied to be able to play a simple majority of correct notes. Now, the pendulum has swung in the complete opposite direction.
TJH3113 exactly. I’ll go back and listen to albums I liked when I was younger and I hear totally different details now. Almost like re-experiencing the album. Which is fun in its own right.
Anyway, great stuff Troy!
Most days I come home from work and put Troy's TH-cam page on my big screen TV and play along for 2-3 hours.
Today I playing Kansas Carry On Wayward Son.
Awesome! Thanks so much Shawn.
Troy, Thanks much for you and Tim Fletcher for putting this together! Great work! Love your playing, and crunchy tone! Cheers!
It was our pleasure! Thank you for watching. No Treble just uploaded the whole series in one package including an interview Tim did with Dave Hope.
Excellent breakdown of the parts. Makes following along reachable and encourages effort. Thank you for sharing your work.
Thanks so much, Frank. I'm glad it was helpful!
Most helpful tutorial Troy. Your analysis of the structure of this song certainly speaks of your awesome talents. Coming from an accomplished bass player I can truly say that your bass critique is like an emulation of the original artist. As the saying goes... "A rising tide floats all ships." You always "rise" and shine to all your musical challenges.
Awesome, thank you! I'm glad you found it useful. And thank you, as always, for the very kind words.
I'm sure I'll have so much more to say after I watch this whole video, but first thoughts.....I'm so shocked that you are doing this I've been working on this one the past 2 weeks, slowing down your version so, I AM SO EXCITED for this one. I I had a few areas that I was wondering how to attack. So this is awesome thank you Troy. You're reading my mind.
So glad to hear that you may find it helpful Tommy.
Fantastic. I saw a good handful of mistakes I was making just in glossing over it. I really appreciate the time you put into this. It makes a huge difference to so many of us.
Thank you. I hope you found something useful in it.
@@TJH3113 , quite a few things. seeing how it's supposed to be played on bass allowed me to not only fix my bass mistakes, but my guitar mistakes as well. Some of them anyway, but that's more on me.
I always wondered how hard these riffs were in this song and you totally satisfied my curiosity.=) Thanks a lot for the great in-depth instructional video on this! You really nailed it!
Awesome! I'm very glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Troy, you are absolutely amazing and generous, for taking time to help us. Thank you for all the time you put in. You are appreciated my friend. Freewill wold be fun to see taken apart, or Last train to London ELO.
So nice of you to say. As always, it's my pleasure. I've thought about doing something like this with "Freewill" or "Spirit of Radio". We'll see. I have a cover of "Last Train..." off to the side that I'll get around to uploading at some point. That was a tough one.
TJH3113 Thank you so much. I'm so happy to hear that. You always make my day. I'm so looking forward to that. When I switched to bass my biggest goals were Vital sign, Sir Duke and Last train to London. Along with A LOT of others. But those 3 were my "must learn" first. Last train, to me has been the hardest, due to that AMAZING disco octave "low high high" (I don't know if there is a name for it ) by far the hardest rhythm to get down so far. But my favorite bass style. It's been a year and a half since my "switch", and I still haven't nailed it. But I practice every day. Also I get sidetracked to all the other amazing videos you put up. I'll always never be able to express my thanks and admiration. All my best wishes Troy.
Hey man, I'm always up for Kansas! It's great to see more learning content here
Awesome! Thank you!
@@TJH3113 my pleasure man!
It's the cleanest cover of that song I ever seen on the web. Great transcription and explanations with awesome cover. Thank you ;-)
I played this song long time ago and I was wrong on many part of this bassline. But know I have a great reference !
Wow, thank you! The tab and transcription will be along shortly! Thanks again Jonathan.
Your right hand has the ability to be like silk and granite when the need arises. Your actuation is immaculate with what is needed. Thank you for your breakdown. 🙏
Wow, thanks so much for the very kind words. I greatly appreciate them.
Killer post, Troy, really appreciate your insights into this music! Would love to hear more of your comments on your videos.
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave such a nice comment.
This is great, thanks for taking the time to cover this song in so much detail.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!
Awesome as usual. I really enjoy watching you play.
Thank you very much!
Excellent! I like how you dissect the song. Wow, you brought me straight home on this one Troy! I started playing drums in 1977, when this song peaked the charts. This tune is the MOST PLAYED by me on drums--hundreds of times--and never got tired of it. I have never attempted it on bass guitar , though it seems interesting. I like it when the bass player sings and plays; it really shows his gifted talent. Kansas is always a favorite band!
Thank you very much. In the future, I think that Kansas may wind up being the equivalent of America's classical music.
whew that guild is so growly. I've been working this up with my band in a 4 piece arrangement and wow you're killing it showing me exactly what he plays and where I need to modify.
Truth! I'm glad to hear that you found the video helpful. Thanks Peepaw!
Great job sir.. I love it.. I don’t know if you’d remember with all the messages you get ??but I told you when you did that walk through of your masks that I thought you would be a good teacher.. I do believe you are.. I can’t wait for the rest of your lessons.. thank you for all the time you spend doing this stuff.. have a great day..
Thank you very much. I don't remember it off the top of my head, but I'm sure, if you left it, that I responded to it with something along the lines of, "I don't consider myself as an educator of any sort." Or something to that effect. It's not a role I feel comfortable in, but I promised Tim that I would work with him on this project and I always try to keep my word... as painful as that may sometimes be. Haha. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment Drew.
Troy, you are the bass guitar master. Every thing you play is played masterfully. Troy you are simply the best.!!!!!!!!! Love, Marvine :-)
Wow, thanks so much, once again, Marvine!
Troy I love all your videos! Great Job! MY Favorite by Kansas is The Wall! I saw Kansas for the first time in 1983 during the Power tour. A friend of ours was a lawyer and couldn't go and gave us the tickets to the show!
Very cool and thanks! I love The Wall too, that will be the next song we do.
Great tutorial! I learned Carry On by playing along with your 1st video of this song and have been a fan since. I lost 1/4 inch of my “bird finger” on my picking hand so on faster songs I’ve used a pick, though I keep working on playing faster using my ring finger instead of the bird, lol .Please keep ‘Em coming!
Thank you. I haven't seen my original cover of the song in quite some time, but I'm sure I added a few details in this new version. I'm so sorry to hear about the mishap with your finger. What happened? I'm sure, if you put your mind to it that you will find a way to overcome the hurdle. I'll try!
TJH3113 ,, oh it was an industrial accident some time ago. A stupid mistake on my part. I always played bass with a pick because Sir Paul did. As did Dave Hope and Chris Squire. My 3 favorite bass players. About 6 years ago I was asked to dust off the bass, rehone,
my chops and join a cover band. We’re all older relics .😄 I’ve since discovered I really want to develope some finger picking skills for tone. I use my ring, index and thumb. Some of the faster stuff is still hard for me, but I keep trying to improve. I’ve been playing along with Leland Sklar on Dr. My Eyes today. Wow! If you haven’t seen his TH-cam channel, I highly recommend it. Thanks for replying Troy!
I’m sorry. I must have missed the period after the word “since” in your comment. So I read it as “...been a fan since I lost 1/4” of my finger... Sorry about that. I’m glad you weren’t forced to reinvent your technique. You may have seen me comment before that some of my favorite players were pickers. If I could use one, I definitely would. I’m glad you found your way back to the bass. Take care.
This is great, thanks Troy.
Glad you enjoyed it
It's more fun to me to play the first C twice, dotted quarter-eight note style.
I so so so enjoy your videos, man. You are my go-to to see if I'm playing something (close to) right. ;-)
Whatever works best for you is what’s important. Thanks a lot!
Awesome video. Also, it really grinds my gears, too, when a section in a song I'm learning slightly differs throughout the song.
Thank you. Ah, it's part of the magic... to a point. If I were playing it live, I'd probably pick my favorite one or two parts and just use them. Nobody would ever notice... unless it was a signature part like in many Rush songs.
Hey Troy, One of my favorite songs and I am soaking up all you are teaching. I agree, isolated tracks really show a lot of what is lost in the mix. When you listen to a Chris Squire "Roundabout" iso, you can't believe all the fret clanging, etc. But, that would be common for all bassists that dig in, especially with the Rotos. Awesome job, looking forward to more!
Hey Jon! Awesome, I don't consider myself to be a teacher or instructor in any sense of the words, so I'm glad that you're able to glean something useful from the videos. Yes, the isolated tracks reveal much that is hidden, not only with respect to the parts played, but what the player's sound was like. It's amazing what actually sounds good in a mix vs. how it sounds on its own, isn't it?
@@TJH3113 You are totally correct. That's another part of what I love about the actual songs, the production values.
Brilliant. Your description of Hope's sound being analogous to a piano is precisely how I've felt about many Geddy Lee tracks, and strikingly so Cygnus X-1: Book 1 off Farewell to Kings. The first time I heard it I was maybe eleven or twelve, and I remember being a little spooked, and thinking how it sounded like a grand piano, but much more frightful. I thought there was no way a bass guitar could sound so malevolent and foreboding, especially starting at the 1:24 mark of Prologue. It was as if some evil were about to escape the speaker to attack me.
Side note: these feelings were greatly compounded the first time I heard E5150 off Black Sabbath's Mob Rules, the most terrifying bass track I've ever heard. I thought the monster emanating from the speakers would literally tear them, and me, to shreds. This was played, I believe, out the back of my brother's friend's Dodge Pacer with custom speakers. Go figure. I was probably fourteen at the time.
Hope's sound had a distinct and unique snarl, much like Lee, Chris Squire, John Enthwistle, Roger Glover, Gary Thain, Bob Daisley, not to mention many others.
You seem to be able to emulate the sound most of your covers very well, and quite accurately. Loved your breakdown and all the interesting tidbits and pointers. Thanks for another excellent video!
P.S. LMAO at "...these are the things that keep me up at night." You poor SOB. I know exactly how that feels!
Thank you Nope. I get what you are saying with regard to Geddy's sound. I liked your vivid description of how it resonated with you.
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to leave such a great comment.
That was awesome. Keep ‘m coming! This song looks really difficult by the way. 19:00: haha yes, as with all the motor skills, as soon as you think about it, you fail :) Very curious what you’ll break down next!
Thanks. We're going to try. Yeah, it's funny how that works, isn't it? Hopefully I won't think to hard about breathing...haha. The next song on the album is "The Wall".
WOW This is great for novice players like me,keep them coming if you can please, ive learned so much for your videos.Thanks
I'm very glad you found it helpful. More to come!
I've never seen this vid before.....nice tutorial and playing, Troy!
Hey, thanks!
Great to see you in good health!
It's good to be in good health. I hope you are well as well.
Thanks for educating us about the ones that are A= in your book. You are thebest Tony. Thanks for sharing and enlightening!!!!!!! Marvine :-)
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment as always Marvine.
Very enjoyable thank you! As an inexperienced player (despite my age of 57) I’ve found its more fun now to work on getting as correct a sound as possible without attending college and learning to read notes again (I can read for a Tuba but the bass is a mystery). Broken down in small bits like this is really fun!
Thank you very much. I'm very glad to hear that you found some value in the video.
Lol, 15:00 the lazy guitar player way! We covered that song last summer as part of a medley with Hold On and Dust In The Wind. I fiddled around with that quick middle section on Carry for a long time trying to find the most comfortable and consistent way for me to play it. I tried the lazy guitar player way, but I couldn't do the pull-offs well enough. Ended up doing something similar to what you were doing. I needed this video a 15 months ago! :-D
Haha, yeah I played it in one band like that for that reason. It sounded better to have us both playing it the same way. I actually play it all 4 ways that I described in my play-along.
Great vid thanks a bunch...been struggling with this one!!!
I'm so glad you found it helpful!
Usted junto con el señor Constantine son los mejores bajistas de esta red social. ¡Muchas gracias!
Fue muy amable de tu parte decirlo. Gracias.
Another great and helpful video, thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
I like the idea of this. It would be cool to expand this to any songs you like playing. It teaches the song and also gives some interesting insight to the playing.
That's great to hear. We'll see how it goes.
welcome back Master!
Haha... thanks.
Love his tone and yours
Thanks Barry!
Thank you for sharing. Great video.
Thanks for watching!
Wow. Awesome vid. Very helpful!
Thanks!
Nice tutorial man. Really enjoyed watching that. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.😁
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. I appreciate it. You too!
EXCELEGANT, Troy is sharing some of his considerable bass playing skills (shared to fb) xx
Thanks for sharing Tina!!
Love the Guild B-301. I've been playing a S-300 guitar since the mid 1980's.
Me too. The Guilds are some of my favorite basses. Great instruments.
Terrifically done!!
Thank you.
Awesome Troy! Thank you....
My pleasure! Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment.
You inspired me to play the bass! This is great Troy
Aw, that's incredible to hear. I hope you derive as much satisfaction from playing as I have/do. Thank you.
Yes I do and I hope when I buy my own house That there is a extra room where I can play bass and become as incredible as you.
Dude in 3 yrs you've improved my game 3 fold n was able to slot me in 3 different bands. Uda Man , Troy.
Ty 🕶🤙,🎸🎼 °): EADG 💨🎶
Great to hear that! Keep it up!
Thanks so much for posting this. I’m still struggling with this song, being a deaf bassist, so I have to break it down into measures and patterns. Then memorize them and put it all together. It’s a challenge to say the least.
It was my pleasure. Thank you for watching. I hope it was helpful. Keep at it!
You practice music while deaf..?
@@bickleyjonas6145 Sure. Why not?
@@Defmusicman1 What do you experience from it? Vibration?
@@bickleyjonas6145 I experience the same joy of playing music that any other musician does. I can “hear” the low bass notes by feel and with powerful hearing aids that help a little. It’s mostly just knowing where the notes are on the fretboard and staying on beat.
Fantastic insights into an iconic rock song. When you breakdown the subtleties of a bass line or why it was played a certain way, you make it a great learning experience. "You could play it that way - the lazy guitar player way" Too funny! Thanks very much!!
Thanks, I'm glad you found some value in it.
Wow , Thanks for sharing . I used to get frustrated when I fist watched your Videos . Now that I have been studying music and learning to read music I can follow much better, Thanks Again Troy. If I learn one thing it's a plus. The song is secondary .
Bingo, Muting slightly with finger in front .
I’m really glad to hear that things are coming together for you, James! Thanks and take care.
@@TJH3113 Thank you , Much Appreciated. Sorry that I was a crybaby in the past .
Cry Baby. Yikes
Great analogy and demonstration, thx!
I'm glad you found it helpful!
What a great tone he had. You too. Thank you.
He really did, didn't he? Thanks.
Your tone is always immense
Thanks.
Mr. Hughes I followed your advice and was able to remove the pickup cover from my 4003 and install a bezel!
Excellent! Glad to hear it!
Great video it was full of really good information. Great learning tool.
I'm very glad you think so! Thanks!
Hi Troy, I found this video interesting apart from that I like Kansas music. It's so good, I'm happy to follow you!
Awesome! Thank you!
I love this song. It’s an Epic Song. Epic tone as well.
Me too! It is, isn't it? Thanks.
thanks so much for this, I love the detail
No problem! I'm glad you liked it.
Thank you so much for this Troy 💕
Any time!
Thank You for this video!
It was my pleasure.
hilarious, my band told me to learn this song, sat all night learning it, right after this video was released
Awesome! I hope it was helpful.
Great lesson!
Glad you liked it!
A very minor point, but it's a point. Right on, Troy. I'm grinning ear to ear.
Did I say that? Haha...
thanks ..great stuff.. awesome! !
You're very welcome. Glad you liked it!
Great job!!!! Bravo!!!
Thank you!
Troy, how many bases do you have? you always get the best tone for the tune. love your channel
A lot. Thanks for the kind words Paulo.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights this is HUGE for a wanna be like me!
No need to thank my, it's my pleasure. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Troy, that is a Beautiful Guild. I really need to get me a Bass again and start playing. Out of respect, is there a Bass I can pick up that you would recommend? I am thinking about picking up a used one at a pawn shop, but not sure I do not want a junker tho. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Thanks Richard, the Guilds have become some of my favorite basses. I'm glad to hear you are thinking of getting back to playing the bass, even if it is for your own enjoyment as I do. A bass I would recommend without hesitation would be an Ibanez Talman TMB 100. If you do a TH-cam search for "tjh3113 ibanez talman" you can see a few videos of mine. They retail for $199 new and they are fine basses that I would be proud to play anywhere. Of course, as with any instrument, there may be some differences between basses, so I'd recommend going to a store and trying a few out to find the one that agrees with you most. They make a higher end model that sells for around $600 and a really high end one that goes for $1,200.
Agree intently about Dave Hope, he was my first favorite player, and Kansas was my first favorite band, I’d be curious to know what the rest of the top 5 was and where Hope falls in, great vid Troy!
You know, while I always liked Kansas it's only been over the last 8-10 years that I became a much bigger fan after having seen them live a few times. Always loved Dave Hope though. In no particular order, my Top 5 List has Geddy on it, of course, Dave Hope, John Glascock (Jethro Tull), Rick Anderson (The Tubes) and Dan Roberts (Crash Test Dummies). Now, my attraction to Glascock, Anderson, and Roberts is only based off of an album or two's worth of material each, but those albums really resonated with me. Also, oddly enough, Hope, Glascock, and Anderson were all pick players and I credit them with really helping to shape my "sound", if you can call it that, as well as my style of playing. Thanks John.
TJH3113, great list, mine almost entire consists of pick players as well despite being a finger style player(mostly), my list in no particular order has John Wetton(King Crimson, Asia), Greg Lake(King Crimson, ELP), Mike Rutherford(Genesis), Dave Hope, Chris Squire whose probably my favorite if I had to chose one for his sound and input to the band(Yes).
TJH3113 Finally!!! Another fan of the criminally underrated John Glasscock. Been a huge fan of his for 35 years. Shame he died so young.
Xcellant Tutorial 🎶🎶
Thanks Kim!
Have to say - who the heck are voting these down.
Love the tutorial pieces for these.
One question - is that an add on stick or factory for the thumb rest? Didn't notice that on other Guild videos.
Oops - sorry one more, what's the background program you use for this - really nice just having drums for this.
I don't lose any sleep over it. I have a pretty good idea who it is. I think I wrote about it on my "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me" video. The thumb rest is actually from Zero-Mod and it's made for a Jazz bass, but it nearly fits this bass. I just had to add one screw hole.
The isolated track was one that I just found on TH-cam. I think there's a video with just isolated drums as well.
Great bass line
It is, isn’t it?
I love your video's!! I have a Guild B-301 that I purchased in Seattle 1980, as I still have. I would like to share with. It was the first real good bass I had ever had. I'd like to share with you.
That’s great to hear, thanks Lowell! Yeah, the Guilds are among my favorites.
Excellent job. It's funny how muting strings become so sub conscience.
Thank you. It is funny, isn't it?
Awesome
Thanks
Love this Rick sound. It's like a real studio bass track.
I also just made a cover of this song (with a P bass)
Thanks.
Yeah, Im sure the original was played on a Precision.
TJH3113 yes I also think so
Thanks a lot 👍 awesome all the time) and really helpful) greetings from Russia!
You're very welcome! And thank you.
Great Job Troy! I heard some great riffs in "Live's Been Good" by Joe Walsh. Any thoughts about doing that song?
Thanks a lot! I'll check it out.
Hey, Troy! You're an inspiration man.
I've always liked this particular Guild bass you play. It hits unbelievably hard. Could I ask what strings you are using and if you have other secrets for this particular punch?
Thanks so much, Lari.
Yes, I have a few of these basses and they all sound similar, but this one if my favorite. Oddly enough, it was the least expensive and the most beat up. I think it has to do with where the frets are... nearly at the end of their life, and if just grinds a bit more than the others. I use D'Addario EXL220's on nearly all of my basses and always play through one SansAmp pedal or another for tone/EQ.
@@TJH3113 Thanks for the response, man! I actually just had Prosteels on my bass and after changing them to Warwick strings I gained a lot more punch. I guess it goes to show that there are so much individual factors in play that impact the tone of a particular bass. I guess it’s all about experimenting which is half the fun :)
Good grief brother man that was most excellent!! ( standing on my chair with my lighter glowing screaming MORE!!)
Don't hurt yourself! Thanks so much.
I still play that lick the lazy guitar player way.
Open strings are my best friend when it comes to this song. :-)
There's no wrong way to play it! Whatever works best for "You".
I hear you.
Love that Guild.
It's one of my favorite basses.
Hey I was at that Beacon Theatre show too! Youre right, it was a great show.
Right?!!! I couldn't believe they didn't have an intermission. Then they came out with "Song For America" as an encore! Come on!
Is that an old Guild B-302 (or 301?) Beautiful playing and great sound, as usual!! 🤘🤘
Yes, it is! It's a B-301. Thank you.
"He's playing right on top of the beef." I understand.
You mean "beat", right?
Love this! Thanks
Funny thing about them "points".....they're points whether major or minor. LOL
I'm very glad that you liked it. Haha... all points matter.
Troy, the Kansas Leftoverture book is fantastic. Thanks to you and Tim for putting it together. Do you know of any sources for the violin music? I can find a few songs online but cannot find a good catalog, e.g. the whole Leftoverture album. Thanks. Ed
Thanks so much Ed. Tim and I are both very proud of it. We both put a lot of work into it. Unfortunately, I do not know of where you might find the violin transcriptions, but I wish you luck finding them. If all else fails - figure them out for yourself and transcribe them. That's what we did.
“The lazy guitar player way”? What the hell, man!? I remember someone suggesting that you should do some teaching. It’s nice to see that there’s some people pushing you in that direction. (Though, dragged kicking and screaming is probably more accurate 🤣)
Great video, with some excellent insights. The muting idea was interesting, and something that I never knew was a thing.
Haha... no disrespect. I actually played it that way with a band because.... well, the guitar player was lazy. It sounded better with us both playing it that way, so I adapted for the greater good of the song. The last time the part is played during my play through I play it all 4 ways I mentioned and you really don't hear too much of a glaring difference.
Yes, dragged, kicking and screaming and procrastinating would be correct. I hate to tell you that I put close to 6 hours into it... it was a comedy of errors... fumbling words, forgetting to turn my mic up, Lynn running the vacuum, my neighbor blasting the radio (Reggae nonetheless), my brother in law mowing the lawn, the heat was building...
Thanks Jim.
@@TJH3113 No disrespect taken, really. But, I just couldn't let a comment like that slide 😂