I purchased it legally in store from a registered firearms dealer. my id was shown and recorded as you have to do when purchasing air guns in the uk. As part of the requirements to be a RFD you cannot sell a firearm to someone who can’t legally have one. If it’s illegal then the police are more than welcome to come round and confiscate it as it was purchased in good faith that the store or myself were not breaking any laws (I also have multiple friends in different police forces and non of them have told me I should be concerned about owning this unless I use it on someone outside of a paintball game). Until that happens I beg to differ. It does appear that the 11j version is now discontinued however but when I bought it, it was widely available. No offence to you but I’m getting tired of responding to these comments, they pop up from different people every few weeks so I’m just going to pin this one.
@@algray9966yup saw that too. Not to mention larger caliber 16j hdr 68! People just need to understand, purchase it legally from a rfd, don’t be an irresponsible idiot and endanger anyone with your usage and don’t commit any crimes with it and you have nothing to worry about! Just have fun 😁
I'd rather be illegaly alive than legaly dead. Also, let's keep in mind, that very bad times are coming with mass unrest , mass armed robberies and no police.
We never had police, it was all an illusion. They were writing traffic tickets and harassing black folks and homeless people. The Supreme Court ruled the police “have no duty to protect” . The police aren’t there to protect you, they never were
I’m in England and I’m a English man and I have the right to defend myself no matter British law states. I’m 58 and not concerned about law,more concerned about protecting myself. These babies can be made effective as defence tools.
Since you live in commie totaltarian red coat land ( no offense ) I wouldn't depend on anything Co2 related as a life saver. Go check on PCP type of firearms. Your welcome, 🎤 Drop....
As an American it blows my mind that a non lethal option which is one of your only choices in your country for home defense is considered taboo by your government/court system when a possibility armed intruder illegally enters your home with bad intentions. Yikes
In short it's bad and complicated. If you kept a knife by your bed and then used it on someone attacking you that could be considered unreasonable, this happened in a case in Ireland recently. If you used a bedside lamp in the spare of the moment you are most likely ok. With this paintball gun or any firearm in the UK you can not use them for self defence unless you are being attacked by someone with a weapon also. You would still have to justify why you got your weapon out and didn't just run or phone the police. In England you have to store real firearms and ammo separate. Both need to be in safes and out of sight, they cannot be in a main room or hallway either. A lot of people have a safe under the bed in two bedrooms. I also think they have to be bolted down too. These rules apply even for the lowest licence which gets you a 3 round shotgun and bird shot only. The best self defence in the UK is prevention. Be aware of your surroundings and be careful. Hide valuables. Blend in. At home get CCTV everywhere, a good alarm, close your windows of a night, have individual room locks and get a safe room. Fanciful ideas about using a crossbow, air pistol or some sort of knife are how you end up dead or in trouble.
@donbunson5031 "you would still have to justify (after being physically attacked) why you got your weapon out and didn't run or call the police." One, I can't call the police while being assaulted. Two, I ain't running and turning my back on someone assaulting me and letting them get the advantage over my life. Three, I ain't waiting for police to respond minutes to longer while my life was at risk. Four, Every human had the right to protect themselves or their loved ones from harm. Sadly, the monarchy has made a mockery of your basic human rights of self preservation and that of your loved ones. They have made it insanely easy for criminals to get away with horrid crimes. The EU looks at ANY violence as bad... but using violence to stop violence is necessary sometimes and justified. Treat others as you would want to be treated was taught to me at 3 years old.
@@donbunson5031What good would it do for the police to arrive? Supposing the assaulter does not want to listen to their presumably commanding voices, it would appear that they would have to resort to some kind of violence as well. The difference being that by the time they showed up, the victim would have already been victimized in whatever way the attacker chose.
@@dn8443 what you mean tortured in jail? If you shot in self defense bcs someone attacks you with a knife of whatever, you will surely not end in jail. C'mon man, in the UK the penalties are maybe severe, but they surely don't make you the aggressor! In Swiss a man shot with a real gun on a house intruder, we have liberal gun laws, but severe laws,everyone has his mil. AR at home, HDR are not limited by 7.5 J, but nevertheless you can't kill an intruder, but at that time, a masked group robbed a few families over night, taking the man even to the banks to retreat money, happened a few times, people were aware, and a man woke up to the silent alarm, was just able to get the gun and shot a burglar, the others escaped but were caught. We didn't here what happened to the shooter, I only know he never had to give up his arms and was always at work, so he didn't endet in jail, some newspaper cheered him even as hero even do they said to never try this will it could end badly, when the aggressors have a great criminal energie
If the governments were doing their job correctly over the last 40 years and the police were allowed to do their job properly we wouldn’t be worried about home defence!
Unless you live in a place with tyrannical police forces, you will always worry about home defense. You know where you don't have to worry about home defense? Texas and Florida. Those two states have very few restrictions around guns and "stand your ground" laws to protect civilians from getting in trouble just for protecting themselves.
I took my TR50 apart, and rebuilt it without a valve block, a very short firing pin and a tuning barrel. It is a human right to be able to defend yourself from an attacker, and it is appalling that a government would prevent its own people from defending themselves. My gun now exceeds 25 joules and my home-made ball bearing rounds puncture steel cans through and through. I'm alternating grounds between kinetic and pepper balls in my gun. I am confident that my "marker" will greatly hinder any aggressor. Are you guys allowed to even use a baseball bat to defend yourselves? Utter absurdity! Police can only respond to crime, they don't prevent it. Not allowing people to defend themselves is only an excuse to continuously grow tyrannical police states.
Yet the police will not do their jobs without being tooled up with all sorts of "illegal" weaponry...perhaps they are the biggest cowards of all, considering what they state and try to do to other people. Additionally, only fools would fight for a government in faraway lands for its aims and ideals when that same government prevents them from defending themselves within its boundaries.
It's easy to bypass the law. Just hand over a spare unmodded 11 Joule version. How are they going to be able to prove that the extra foot pounds wasn't just some random freak mechanical malfunction?
I think there would be experts involved that could easily tell that an 11 joule gun wouldn't have the capability to suddenly hit 30 joules by some freak malfunction, this would also involve the manufacturers of the gun. Purchasing history can also be investigated. Handing over false evidence is also a criminal offence. Everything will be stacked against you if you do this.
@@premiumbot3991 Experts are worth money, and so is spending time getting the manufacturer involved. Why would they spend so much resources on trying to prosecute a home invasion victim when the courts are already slammed with more serious cases?
In South Africa,the only thing that will bring one in Trouble is Sound...the Criminals will run anyway away, after shooting them in the face area...Shoot to Kill policy here 😮
Did you get that from the marketing pamphlet? Pepper balls are a gimmick against human targets. They will rarely break on them. That’s why the police shoot them at the ground.
Depending on location, pepperballs can get you in insane trouble. In California, they fall under biochemical weapons laws(including homemade ones). The penal section concerning them is super vague and short but pretty much defines them as chemical weapons.. Same with pepper spray shot out of anything besides aerosol powered devices.... Load up ur supersoaker with pepper juice, and ur a terrorist..... SMH... good to check local laws concerning self-defense and less than lethal devices....
@@matthewlunsford9639 CALIFORNIA? Nuff Said. You have to bend over and pull down your pants when you cross THAT border, LIBRAL corrupt voting Machines are to blame and NASTY POLCATSKI and her Hubbie are to blame.
Thanks for making the video, we have the same laws in Sweden, which is wierd since we’ve had vast problems the latest 10 years. It’s like the government doesn’t let you defend yourself when crazy foreign thugs break into your home with guns and knifes.
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
Even in the USA you'd be taking a chance in a lot of states using this. But its better than letting the criminals do whatever they want. Devastator rounds -if any real problems arise.
Pepper balls and spray is banned in the uk but Theres a company that makes crossbow bolts for this gun. You have to muzzle load them so its single shot though
@@royalaces84 yeah i probably wouldnt use the hdr at all if there wasnt a serious threat. Theyd probably concider the rubber balls excessive force in most scenarios 🤣
I live in the UK and ordering this. IF someone breaks in, I will at the time just happen to be doing some indoor target practice, and they ran towards me. I can't see a judge in the UK having an issue with that, especially when it only does some non-lethal damage. If that fails I would just batter them anyway, fists and feet being the only weapon, I kick box.
My thoughts, done more damage with a single left hook or right straight than 6 shots of this could do (broken jaws and eye sockets). against skilled and keen opponents. this is the warning 😂
@@KobeWilson-xk5wf I upgraded the valve in mine, and I make my own ammo using a 3D printed mold. My ammo uses a large steel ball (I think they're 3/8" but I'd have to check) as the tip and the rest is made with hot glue. The spiked ones some people make don't actually puncture much if at all. It's better to make blunt ammo. The closer you are to your assailant, the more damage. I was told my assailant received an orbital fracture from 1 round at about 10' away.
If you intended to use it for self defence before any event happened you can be in trouble . But if you have it for sport or another purpose and picked it up in the event of an atack then youll be fine as long as the use of force was reasonable. If you shot someone with a slingshot because they shouted at you it would be unreasonable but a genuine fear for your safety would make it reasonable force. Uk laws around self defence are so stupid. You can be arrested for carrying a pencil if you admit you are carrying it for the purpose of defence. But you have a pencil with you for normal pencil reasons and use it in self defence its fine(as long as it was reasonable force)
I live in South Africa, single woman on her own with her child. Two men opened my window and were in the process of bending my burgular bars at 2.30 am. The only thing that stopped them was my dog that started to bark. I have since put in an alarm system and bought this. I rather be armed with pepperballs than having nothing!
Sounds scary! If I were you I would also go about trying to get a firearm license! We don’t have that option here in the UK. *correction we can own rifles and shotguns for hunting but shooting people even in self defence is generally a no no.
@@justinsymonds8470 Unfortunetly, getting a firearm license here is such a rigmarole. Like the uk, robbers have more rights. If you land up killing one while defending yourself, you will be in hot water. The paper work for owning a gun is just crazy man. This is why I opted for one of these and for a really good security system with pacifs and sensors on all windows and doors. Panic buttons on every door. Panic button on my phone. I can also arm and disarm my entire home from my cell phone.
South African too, stopped 5 attackers with this, the sounds it kicks off and the impact damage, no one in the heat of an attack thinks this is a less lethal gun. Mix in Pepper and Zrams ammo, send them home limping.
I'm in America. I'll stick with my Springfield Armory 45 ACP National Match. My State allows unrestricted conceal carry. You guys overseas have it really bad.
double edged sword, there's also a lot less armed people. even the crooks, they have them but they keep them on the low, they aren't "everywhere" by any stretch. I would love to own fire arms here it is safer from the threat of firearms. it's just if you happen to be unlucky really to come into contact with one unless you're in a gang or live around farmland. You can actually get licences for shotguns up to 3 shell capacity (think we can only get bird shot shell though). and .223 riffles including ARs but its not easy to get permission and your usage is heavily restricted to private property and gun club land of which there is only a few in each region. Funny thing is in the UK you're probably just best with and authentic sword and shield haha, genuinely though most use big blades like machetes for robberies. You turn up painted like braveheart swinging a scottish claymore (the sword not the mine haha) around they're guna think twice! my thoughts anyway, they wana make it medievil over here lets go back then I'll be a knight and you can be a peasant bandit, oh what your cheap chinese machete just got stuck in my wooden shield and you're trying to pull it out frantically because you're a pussies without it. guess that arms gone then 🤣
Couple of those new, extremely pointed zrams to the chest. You're done. Mind you, that's coming from an 18" barrel, cranked up as hot as she'll go. If I get you in the head, that's a bonus.
It may not drop a man intent on harming you, but unless he's on dope, he's going to try to get away. I'm a felon in the US, my wife carries 1, and a knife. I just keep a knife handy. The aluminum have been shown to hit hard enough to crack bone. The standard rubber balls will go through a 1 gallon water jug. All the way through. The spikes look cool and may cut, but penetration is unimpressive through denim. Steel, aluminum, and pepper balls seem to be the best. The only time it's been used in a live situation, the guy took 1 to the nose/lip area, then another in the back of the neck when he turned away. He sprinted away after the second. Best part, no police involvement.
Got the MK2 version of this 13 Joules.... with the ZRams Ammo, I'm not going to increase the power, this thing is already pushing the limits, close quarters these things will fracture and lodge in bones, enough of these in some ones face and they will be going to the other side, need to treat this with respect always.
Having an HDR50 11 J and using the rubber-steel balls (same ones you shot in your previous video) is good enough for lots of fun when it comes to destroying soft or brittle targets and still staying accurate within 10-15 metres. I would not want to be hit with it anywhere. However, it is a ton of fun for a back yard plinker.
I load my 11 joule with Devastaters. Within the first week of moving 8nto my current address there were 3 home invasions, all within a bl9ck of my res8dence. My opinion, you k8ck my door open, you'd be damn lucky if all you had to worry about for the remainder of your wretched life was seeing it through only one eye, cause I'm aiming for your ears.
Yes that is interesting, however if or as these clowns who wright these ridiculous laws, were to experience a home invasion or intrusion, they would probably use whatever means they deemed necessary and probably wouldn’t be ridiculed, criticized, nor scrutinized. That is called Corruption. That’s Evil. What type of message does that send to the criminals and crime. By allowing, permitting, enabling, encouraging and empowering. Sociopaths must be at the head and top of the system. Crime at the top must be the reason for crime at the bottom.
Let's not forget the legal use as a paintball marker, it gives you a reason to own one other than home defence so no longer premeditated use against the intruder.
Loved that you did not edit out your reaction to the wind blowing harder! Made me laugh! It looked like you were ready to give up, throwing your hands up. Cute! Around 2:18
If the attacker ain't in a pcp fueled rage 6 pointed z-ram bullets to the face fired with 30 joules should do the trick. There's videos of people pimping this gun to fire through metal even aswell.
If you modify them it's 5 years in prison just for owning it, let alone using it. Oh and I think the 11j one is only legal for paint balls, so be careful.
It's also meant to be shot with rubber balls, umarex sells them in bundle, and speaking of handing over the revolver - buy two, modify one, devastate with 30J, hand over the 11J one to police 😊
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
If you have an honest held belief that your life is at risk its not illegal to administor harm to avoid that risk. Even if the person dies. As long as it is self defence and can be proven, the weapon does not matter. Any force to preserve your own life is reasonable force if it stop you dying
I have the mercury rise mub50 and torpedo revolver, they both hit 450 to 500 on first rounds on 1 gram rubber balls or pepper balls but the 2.8 gram aluminum or rubber steel balls or even devastater rounds 4.7 g for revolver would be more lethal than rubber balls or pepper rounds to face, the fps drops to 300ish to upper 200ish on heavier rounds, but joules or like 16 20 on mod guns, before heavy amo, thats even better, I say pepper balls only works close to face or direct hit to face because that powder moves away fast outside in wind and will more than likely miss if shot in chest or below.
Shame about the spineless UK laws... if someone breaks into your property and may harm you, they should be fair game for whatever reprisal they invite upon themselves
Hello from LowEr Hudson Valley NY USA I wasn’t going to comment until I listened to the whole Vid Great vid by the way You sir are spot on! HD nah really don’t think so! This could be considered a deterrent at best. “Soft spots” are your target as you said. Face ,mouth,ears, teeth, sinus triangle. Scenario: 3am Breaking glass You scrambling out of bed, recliner looking for your “HDP” You turn shoot Causalities: Lamp,vase, 55” TV, And 2 body shots to the uninvited! 3rd and final step Throw your “HDP” as hard as you can! Best case Fire your “HDP” While at the same time grabbing your cricket bat and start a new party!!! IMHO If you reserve yourself to the train of thought “No one is coming”you’ll probably be more creative in your HD action not reaction. Be safe , Good luck and God Bless
In America we have no such problem with that, upgrading this weapon to a 30 Jewel shooter with devastator rounds and pepper and her mixed should do the trick for me.
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
I have read somewhere that being hit by 9mm might not hurt because of some stress hormones. It is like when you cut yourself slicing an onion. But the damage caused by firearm is fatal of course. I know a story of a guy who shot himself to the leg with 9mm while pulling the gun out of holster shooting a competition. He noticed that he is bleeding when he finished his turn. Being hit by a slow rubber ball does not produce these stress hormones and hurts like hell. But yeah I agree. In reality all these less lethal projectile shooters are questionable. The thing is that it is difficult to set a reasonable power. When the projectile has like up to 16J it is possible to withstand the pain being hit into torso and it will likely not break skull when hit to head. But when you use something stronger like 30J - 40J then the "stopping" effect is much more effective, but when accidentally hits the head it will be likely lethal... If there was a really perfect nonlethal weapon, policemen would not carry firearms. Sometimes the lethal force is the only thing that works. A good example are certain dog breeds when attacking full of adrenaline, nothing works... neither stun gun, pepper spray, neither baton...
Its because the 9mm penetrating "cushions" the force. Same reason being punched hurts more than a needle. The more it penetrates the less force is going into the impact because the penetration is "using up" all the force.
Then get 2 guns then. If someone has a weapon and they are about to attack you and you shoot them and its lethal, who cares? Get a good lawyer. You use the 2nd gun thats 10 joules only for the unarmed weaklings who don't know if they are going to attack you or not.
@@earthenscience Mmm, yeah, don't worry. I have bunch of these "toys". From less lethal I already own the HDR68 (16-20J) but also am the firearm and firearm license owner too. I would definitely not rely on something that has only 10 joules that is a bad idea, that is only going to make an attacker more angry. I think some 30J of a rubber ball should be considered a reasonable less lethal option, but yeah it must be a rubber ball, with steel balls we are getting to not likely but possibly lethal spectrum...
@@gravitomagneticpowerwhat if somebody has an HDR 50 cranked hot enough, that It can blow holes in three-quarter inch plywood at 75 and 100 ft? Or what about when shooting it from an 8inch barrel, it blows sparks out? Mine does.
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
Good video, mate. Home intruders shouldn't be afraid of my 7.5 joule umarex markers. They should be worried about the 6'1 lunatic sending the 400fps crossbow bolts their way. Not to mention the Cane Corso and short tempered Rottie, who both sleep on the landing.
@@justinsymonds8470 Great review and advice Justin. I like ThatGearGuy's vids and can understand him muting comments. Sometimes message boards turn into a hornets nest of bickering and misinterpretation. Much credit to you for leaving it open though and also for taking the time to reply to commentators. Liked and subscribed.
The gun may not be the best choice, but the worst thing is to live in Great Britain. Or any country that will not allow you to protect yourself and your own home.
Just be aware that the 11Joule version in the UK is illegal if you use solid rubber balls. You can only use it with fragible (breakable) ammo like paintballs. As the max legal ft/lbs is 6, and 11 Joules will give you just over 8ft/lbs, so it will be classed as a firearm, and you will go to prison if you use it against another person, even if they have broken in to your home. Crazy, but that's the law.
Interessting POV, i live in Germany and as far as i know over here it works like this: Anything under 0,5 Joule is a toy, anything that has more but is under 7,5 Joule is allowed if you are 18+ Yrs. old but only to keep them at home, you are not allowed to take them with you outside, unless you have a licence for Firearms you are only allowed to take them around if in a case, enclosed and secured so that nobody can simply open a box or whatever and reach for it, the ammunition has to be transported separately and not in the same container as the Gun, which can be Spring loaded, Gas/CO2 or without anything coming out. Any firearm, it does not matter if CO2, Springloaded or whatever, if it has more than 7.5Joule it is only allowed to People with a Licence for Firearms, there are a couple ways to get the Licence, like if you are a collector or stuff like that, but you will have Someone coming to your place checking out what you have and wanting to see that you have an apropriate Cabinet for the Weapon to be kept safe, out of reach from Kids, in a way that if someone breaks in they can't Easily access the Weapon. Over here, we are as well allowed to Defend ourselves in our Home, but very much like in the UK, you have to defend yourself using Apropriate measures that are not going over the Top compared to the force the Intruder used, so in poor words, if someones breaks in and you shoot them, you get in jail, if you hurt them to a degree that they have life long repercussion, you gonna pay a life long for whatever you did to them. I myself own a Gas Pistol with Pepper Ammo (i dont know what it's proper name is) which has to be enough, but like you said in your Video, is it gonna stop someone that really wants to hurt you or your Family? not really If anyone from Germany knows better feel free to correct me.
Is the 11 joules version legal to possess or even buy in the uk? I thought 6ft-lb was the max for handguns. I bought a slingshot because it shoots 11mm steel balls at around 11 ft-lbs
well… lets put it this way, if it’s illegal every major uk gun store with large stock who are registered fire arm dealers (which they have to be to be able to sell firearms and air guns) are putting their livelihood and license on the line because they ALL sell them. They are not some discreet under the counter item, they are in the store on the shelf and always available (in my local stores anyway) they even sell the HDR 68 which is 16 joules (11.8 ft lbs). To purchase them all you need is to show your id. a condition of becoming an RFD is to ‘not sell firearms or ammunition to anyone who is not authorised to own a firearm or shotgun’. That being said I’m no lawyer i get my knowledge from google. As a consumer I presume that the reputable businesses I purchase my guns from have done their due diligence and are not blatantly breaking a very strictly regulated law, after-all they have far more experience and knowledge than me. I think there are loopholes as these are paintball markers and are designed to shoot frangible ammo. As I say in the video I think if you shot someone with ANY gun in the UK sub 6ft lb, paintball or not and they go to the police, you run the risk of it being treated as a firearm. It’s for fun, and paint balling. As long as that’s what you use it for you’ll be fine.
If you don't want to mod the gun, any ammo you use is fine, provided you have targets, so you can say your use it for target practice, make sure the neighbours see you shooting it in the garden so they can testify you use it for target shooting. Those crossbow bolts you can get for it would cause serious damage, I've seen what they do to ballistic gel
Two words: pepper balls That will stop any intruder. Just aim to chest or wall. But down side is using it in close quarters and accidentally walking in that pepper cloud yourself. And I thought about possibility of knocking out my own teeth at any time (on practice or when defending yourself) because rubber balls could bounce off back at me. And I didn't see anyone yet using any kind of teeth shield on YT HDR50 reviews. Good video about warning people. 👍 This is not a toy and could cause lethal injury to owner, kids or intruder. I bought it mainly to avoid using lethal weapons. And because its currently most practical defense CO2 gun to use and reload in my opinion. I searched for more practical smaller one as "CCW gun" but I didn't find it.
Pepper balls pepper spray all such products illegal in the uk. PEPPER SPRAY is prohibited under the firearms act here so if caught with it you would be charged as if you had a firearm 🤦♂️
@@justinsymonds8470 🤦♂️ So unless UK people can hit intruder with rubber balls right in his nuts they are all screwed... Law is protecting criminals in this way, and I believe there are many of them in 66.46 million UK population... Im from Croatia and in 3.5 million pop. criminals are all over country....
Guys, in Spain they come into your house to live and the Law prohibits you from throwing them out and you have to pay for the electricity and water they consume or they condemn you for coercion. My HDR with bullets 9mm and 20 joules will put me in jail, but my house is mine
If you think it's useless for home defence would you be up for filming a video where you get shot with spiked metal rounds or devastator rounds to show it's ineffectiveness?
How many stay with just 11j ?? I modified my to a lethal HDR50 😎 Then you must shoot with 6-8gram bullets. Its not the head damage on the outside you kan see, it in the little brake of the skull who take the intruder down!
The 50 Joule HDX I have works great for home defense. I do agree that a 7.5 or 11 Joule launcher isn't going to be that effective, especially if it's only a 50 caliber.
Yeah here in canada i wont go to AB,BC,MB or NS because they dont allow body armor and your not allowed to carry any weapon at all for the purpose of self defense anywhere in the country. Also, the law here says your only allowed to use as much force as your agressor does towards you. So basically, you gotta wait for him to attack you in order to see what your allowed to look for... I obviously break the law everytime i leave the house because im forced too. Id rather be safe in jail than a law abiding dead citizen. I love the country i live in and i think its safer than america but violent crime is on the rise and we have an opiate epidemic that the government is only fueling with the "safe supply" program. Were literally all sitting ducks here and no one realizes it...
I can understand the 'logic' behind even foolish laws regarding the use of weapons for self defence. Not being allowed to wear body armour is insane though. It's like it being illegal to put your hands up to cover your face when someone is trying to punch you.
Well informed video i just like to point out that criminal's don't care about the law !! And when they are in your house you do not know their intentions !!! I would take any action i felt necessary and if I were taken to court I would say just that !!!
When the lives of you and your family are at risk, I say the only laws that apply are the laws of the juggle! Anyone breaking into your home has zero rights!
Even here in the States we have a problem of courts finding you using unnecessary force when you shoot someone who's rushing you with a knife. As if reasonable force would be to then equip yourself with your own knife and attempt to win a knife fight against your assailant like this is some kind of honorable duel and not someone trying to murder another unprovoked.
These type of non lethals is always more of a deterrent in my opinion. It gives more of a brief wtf moment to allow someone the time to escape, or close the distance through minor pain infliction or intimidation. And some people and families cannot have firearms for whatever reason. It’s also fun to use, and maybe a training step for those who want to upgrade to firearms later. Thoughtful review mate. I hear ya….
Yeah but if you empty a load in someone face if give you time to get away.. ask someone who thinks its useless to use to let you shoot them with it . I a sure you they change there attitude about it being useless
All my videos are filmed on iPhones… the newer one pics up wind noises way more than the older one. I’ve gotten a wireless mic with noise cancellation now so wind shouldn’t be an issue anymore. 👍
If my safety is on the line, especially in a potentially lethal situation, I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission. Allowing something to happen to me based on what the law states allows me no opportunity for asking for forgiveness. For me, that's enough said.
Justin, you are 100% wrong. Its just physics. The 13 Joules TR50 can take the Devil Spikes, the Maximum Power Killer and the CNC golden destroyers. So, when it comes to 130m/s speed with a really sharp and spiky bullet of 2 or 3 grams...believe me, you dont want to get even one of them....not 6 in a row. They DO penetrate skin for an inch at least.
Muy buen video, muy buenas opinión. Es de mucha ayuda para los que buscamos defensa propia. Perspectivas diferentes a lo que uno mismo pueda ver. Mas allá de las leyes de cada país.
I don't use it for home defense necessarily, I carry it in my bag as a less lethal option to my pistol. Ive got mine tuned to 25-30 Joules so I'm sure it would work for home defense, considering the situation obviously.
If my research is correct, a 9mm NATO round generates about 400 ft lbs of force, or approx. 500 joules. If a court/judge finds that modifying an 11 joule paint ball gun up to a 30 joule non-lethal/less-lethal self defense tool is considered excessive, I would have to question the judgement of that Judge. Just my opinion.
Chest=bad,back=bad. Head=ok legs/knees=godlike. They wont come at you or run it hurts way more to get hit in leg/knee specially if u use the steel balls in this sucker
in hungary we use to buy rubber bullet shooters, there are no limitation in my country for rugger buklet shooter. my revolver “keseru pitbull” has aroung70-80 joule per shot power, and i have a g-shot shotgun which has 180-200 joule power.
The Umarex is not a effective self defense/home defense weapon. I agree with everything said in this video. I've seen pellet gun that's equally equipped. The Umarex air gun is only applicable, and effective with modifications. I would not recommend Umarex for home defense.
I wouldn’t mind the umerex javelin tho, but I’m not sure they’re available in the uk,, it’s like an air rifle/spear gun 😳👌🙌🏻 having said that there’d by quite a mess to mop up after a home invasion
@@brendanstoran7555 The air Javelin is very nice and effective. Much better option and more reliable than the 7.5 joules, HDR, T4E, TR50 revolver. If The HDR-50, was at least 35 joules I would think about getting it, but until then I stand by my words.
I don’t know what’s more annoying. The ridiculous home/self defense laws of n the Uk or the wind. Best of luck Brutha. You’re better off being prepared the dead. You seem like a reasonable/sensible dude. Hopefully you never have to use it, BUT I’m sure you will use it as lawfully and correctly as possible when the time comes. Cheers Bro👍🏻
What can I say .. it might be stupid to load these with hollowpoints where these are illegal, but if I have to choose between explaining myself to a court or to Peter, I think I'll risk the hollowpoints. If you are not mature enough to judge when you might be meeting Peter, and when its just the court, thats on you.
UK law sucks - my intention and responsibility is to protect my family, a robbers intention is to breaks into my home and rob me maybe even cause harm to me and my family. robbers know that a UK homeowner can not really challenge or confront them. Because if a bugler gets hurt, they can sue the homeowner..!!! the homeowner can either yell at them or lock themselves in a room while the robber helps themselves to the homeowner stuff before the police come - anything can happen during this time.. why should a homeowner be scared in their own home? why are we not allowed to defend ourselves in our home.
Might wanna keep in mind that it’s first and foremost for fun. It CAN be useful as a non lethal option as it can but you those seconds you need to get out or whatever the case may be!! But yea it is a non lethal weapon obviously so not to be confused with a real firearm 😅
True but uk law would treat this as a firearm if you weren’t using paintballs and you used it on a person. Even if you used paintballs, if it’s outside of a game you risk being charged under firearm regulations.
@@justinsymonds8470 I hear ya and that doesn’t surprise me at all. You can only imagine that new ammo that is semi rubber covered arrowhead ..ish and that could potentially do some serious damage.
I would say the standard one is pretty worthless for self-defense but mine puts out about at a hundred joules. I can kill a bear with mine. I originally got it for defense against dogs when I was walking my other one but as usual I took it overboard and had to get another one that I maxed out at about 30 jewels so it wouldn't kill the dog. I love mine but I heavenly modified it too
@@Squad2ND My advice is most of these cheap guns suck and are a joke. 7 joule to the chest will not stop an intruder. I modified my 7 joule HDP to 40 joule. It still sucks in ways besides the joules, you have to really tighten the endcap with an allen wrench for the co2 to puncture. If you don't tighten it with an allen wrench you are screwed with a "partial indentation" so you have to puncture it all the way or else you have a partially indented Co2 laying around.. Then you have to slam it really hard on a rigid surface, its not ideal as a self-defense platform at all. If you want an HDP i would use it mainly just for home defense after getting a HPA adapter so you don't have to fiddle with the Co2 puncture garbage. It sucks for its intended purpose of concealed carry but might be good for home defense after some mods
@@earthenscience I had a gut feeling some honest soul would tell the truth :) I am sad to hear that it does not fit the bill. I love in Europe so you have to wait a while in order to get a real firearms. But thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
11 Joules is illegal in this country.
I purchased it legally in store from a registered firearms dealer. my id was shown and recorded as you have to do when purchasing air guns in the uk. As part of the requirements to be a RFD you cannot sell a firearm to someone who can’t legally have one. If it’s illegal then the police are more than welcome to come round and confiscate it as it was purchased in good faith that the store or myself were not breaking any laws (I also have multiple friends in different police forces and non of them have told me I should be concerned about owning this unless I use it on someone outside of a paintball game). Until that happens I beg to differ. It does appear that the 11j version is now discontinued however but when I bought it, it was widely available. No offence to you but I’m getting tired of responding to these comments, they pop up from different people every few weeks so I’m just going to pin this one.
Seen a 13 joule for sale in uk online
@@algray9966yup saw that too. Not to mention larger caliber 16j hdr 68! People just need to understand, purchase it legally from a rfd, don’t be an irresponsible idiot and endanger anyone with your usage and don’t commit any crimes with it and you have nothing to worry about! Just have fun 😁
They’re for sale at reputable dealers.
Where can I buy one?
I'd rather be illegaly alive than legaly dead. Also, let's keep in mind, that very bad times are coming with mass unrest , mass armed robberies and no police.
long live CO-LION 🦁🦁 NIOR
"I'd rather be illegaly alive than legaly dead." Well put sir :)
We never had police, it was all an illusion. They were writing traffic tickets and harassing black folks and homeless people. The Supreme Court ruled the police “have no duty to protect” . The police aren’t there to protect you, they never were
Absolutely. If things get that Bad and In case of severe civil unrest, the least of anyone's worries would be the Law. Just sayin'.
If that happens, you better be smart enough to get yourself a more deadly weapon
Advice my old sensei used to give was “it’s best to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”
Not a more true statement!
This sensei is not senseless :)
This isn't karate club mate pmsl
....Dumb.
Better yet to be home with 1.
my Irish gdad taught me the same wisdom
I’m in England and I’m a English man and I have the right to defend myself no matter British law states.
I’m 58 and not concerned about law,more concerned about protecting myself.
These babies can be made effective as defence tools.
Quite right.. I'm with you on this..
Since you live in commie totaltarian red coat land ( no offense ) I wouldn't depend on anything Co2 related as a life saver. Go check on PCP type of firearms. Your welcome, 🎤 Drop....
The European market sells a more powerful version
Lol u red coats are subjects that got ur gun rights taken
Buddy, you have Exactly the Right MindSet for what is Coming This Year.
Stay Strong and God Bless !!!
As an American it blows my mind that a non lethal option which is one of your only choices in your country for home defense is considered taboo by your government/court system when a possibility armed intruder illegally enters your home with bad intentions. Yikes
In short it's bad and complicated. If you kept a knife by your bed and then used it on someone attacking you that could be considered unreasonable, this happened in a case in Ireland recently. If you used a bedside lamp in the spare of the moment you are most likely ok. With this paintball gun or any firearm in the UK you can not use them for self defence unless you are being attacked by someone with a weapon also. You would still have to justify why you got your weapon out and didn't just run or phone the police. In England you have to store real firearms and ammo separate. Both need to be in safes and out of sight, they cannot be in a main room or hallway either. A lot of people have a safe under the bed in two bedrooms. I also think they have to be bolted down too. These rules apply even for the lowest licence which gets you a 3 round shotgun and bird shot only. The best self defence in the UK is prevention. Be aware of your surroundings and be careful. Hide valuables. Blend in. At home get CCTV everywhere, a good alarm, close your windows of a night, have individual room locks and get a safe room. Fanciful ideas about using a crossbow, air pistol or some sort of knife are how you end up dead or in trouble.
@donbunson5031 "you would still have to justify (after being physically attacked) why you got your weapon out and didn't run or call the police."
One, I can't call the police while being assaulted.
Two, I ain't running and turning my back on someone assaulting me and letting them get the advantage over my life.
Three, I ain't waiting for police to respond minutes to longer while my life was at risk.
Four, Every human had the right to protect themselves or their loved ones from harm.
Sadly, the monarchy has made a mockery of your basic human rights of self preservation and that of your loved ones. They have made it insanely easy for criminals to get away with horrid crimes. The EU looks at ANY violence as bad... but using violence to stop violence is necessary sometimes and justified. Treat others as you would want to be treated was taught to me at 3 years old.
@@donbunson5031What good would it do for the police to arrive? Supposing the assaulter does not want to listen to their presumably commanding voices, it would appear that they would have to resort to some kind of violence as well. The difference being that by the time they showed up, the victim would have already been victimized in whatever way the attacker chose.
We don't have such high crime rate in Germany. Home intrutions are almost unheard of here
@@KishorSridhar72 same with 95% of America.... the big cities are the problem.
Remember, it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
I'd rather be dead than being tortured in jail. So idk about that..jail time is worse than death for most people
@@dn8443 what you mean tortured in jail? If you shot in self defense bcs someone attacks you with a knife of whatever, you will surely not end in jail. C'mon man, in the UK the penalties are maybe severe, but they surely don't make you the aggressor! In Swiss a man shot with a real gun on a house intruder, we have liberal gun laws, but severe laws,everyone has his mil. AR at home, HDR are not limited by 7.5 J, but nevertheless you can't kill an intruder, but at that time, a masked group robbed a few families over night, taking the man even to the banks to retreat money, happened a few times, people were aware, and a man woke up to the silent alarm, was just able to get the gun and shot a burglar, the others escaped but were caught. We didn't here what happened to the shooter, I only know he never had to give up his arms and was always at work, so he didn't endet in jail, some newspaper cheered him even as hero even do they said to never try this will it could end badly, when the aggressors have a great criminal energie
If the governments were doing their job correctly over the last 40 years and the police were allowed to do their job properly we wouldn’t be worried about home defence!
Unless you live in a place with tyrannical police forces, you will always worry about home defense. You know where you don't have to worry about home defense? Texas and Florida. Those two states have very few restrictions around guns and "stand your ground" laws to protect civilians from getting in trouble just for protecting themselves.
Home defense..🤷♂️... use something else ,tell no one, dig a hole in the woods.. 👍... fuck the law..
I took my TR50 apart, and rebuilt it without a valve block, a very short firing pin and a tuning barrel. It is a human right to be able to defend yourself from an attacker, and it is appalling that a government would prevent its own people from defending themselves. My gun now exceeds 25 joules and my home-made ball bearing rounds puncture steel cans through and through. I'm alternating grounds between kinetic and pepper balls in my gun. I am confident that my "marker" will greatly hinder any aggressor. Are you guys allowed to even use a baseball bat to defend yourselves? Utter absurdity! Police can only respond to crime, they don't prevent it. Not allowing people to defend themselves is only an excuse to continuously grow tyrannical police states.
"Police can only respond to crime, they don't prevent it." Indeed.
do you have more information on the mod you did? in my country the 11 joules is legal but I would love to get more bang out of it. thx in advance
Yet the police will not do their jobs without being tooled up with all sorts of "illegal" weaponry...perhaps they are the biggest cowards of all, considering what they state and try to do to other people.
Additionally, only fools would fight for a government in faraway lands for its aims and ideals when that same government prevents them from defending themselves within its boundaries.
Try the Cododo Italian made .357 bullets with sabots. With that power they would likely be really less lethal
Times are changing Trumps in charge
It's easy to bypass the law. Just hand over a spare unmodded 11 Joule version. How are they going to be able to prove that the extra foot pounds wasn't just some random freak mechanical malfunction?
I think there would be experts involved that could easily tell that an 11 joule gun wouldn't have the capability to suddenly hit 30 joules by some freak malfunction, this would also involve the manufacturers of the gun. Purchasing history can also be investigated. Handing over false evidence is also a criminal offence. Everything will be stacked against you if you do this.
@@premiumbot3991 Experts are worth money, and so is spending time getting the manufacturer involved. Why would they spend so much resources on trying to prosecute a home invasion victim when the courts are already slammed with more serious cases?
I think in UK a air pistol has to be no more than 6 foot pounds
In South Africa,the only thing that will bring one in Trouble is Sound...the Criminals will run anyway away, after shooting them in the face area...Shoot to Kill policy here 😮
You can get pepper balls for them as well. When they hit someone they turn into a big cloud containing capsaicin causing eye irritation.
Did you get that from the marketing pamphlet?
Pepper balls are a gimmick against human targets. They will rarely break on them.
That’s why the police shoot them at the ground.
Depending on location, pepperballs can get you in insane trouble. In California, they fall under biochemical weapons laws(including homemade ones). The penal section concerning them is super vague and short but pretty much defines them as chemical weapons.. Same with pepper spray shot out of anything besides aerosol powered devices.... Load up ur supersoaker with pepper juice, and ur a terrorist..... SMH... good to check local laws concerning self-defense and less than lethal devices....
@@matthewlunsford9639well then the umarex js useless. Its for pepperballs.
@@matthewlunsford9639 CALIFORNIA? Nuff Said.
You have to bend over and pull down your pants when you cross THAT border, LIBRAL corrupt voting Machines are to blame and
NASTY POLCATSKI and her Hubbie are to blame.
Pepper spray is illegal in the UK. Sounds like capsaicin balls fired by an air pistol would be illegal too.
Thanks for making the video, we have the same laws in Sweden, which is wierd since we’ve had vast problems the latest 10 years. It’s like the government doesn’t let you defend yourself when crazy foreign thugs break into your home with guns and knifes.
Same in Norway 😢
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
Even in the USA you'd be taking a chance in a lot of states using this. But its better than letting the criminals do whatever they want. Devastator rounds -if any real problems arise.
Pepperballs, though ridiculously expensive, are debilitating to any attacker....
@tnteachertim Pepper ram balls are crap, watch the tests they do nothing, full metal devastators or razor ones are the way to go
Pepper balls and spray is banned in the uk but Theres a company that makes crossbow bolts for this gun. You have to muzzle load them so its single shot though
@@PBK.londonyou’d have to believe your life was seriously at risk to use the arrow things.
@@royalaces84 yeah i probably wouldnt use the hdr at all if there wasnt a serious threat. Theyd probably concider the rubber balls excessive force in most scenarios 🤣
I live in the UK and ordering this. IF someone breaks in, I will at the time just happen to be doing some indoor target practice, and they ran towards me. I can't see a judge in the UK having an issue with that, especially when it only does some non-lethal damage. If that fails I would just batter them anyway, fists and feet being the only weapon, I kick box.
Best comment, I absolutely agree. I love that comment just happened to me target shooting at the time. Hilarious. Lol
Did you have to register your hands as a lethal weapon?
My thoughts, done more damage with a single left hook or right straight than 6 shots of this could do (broken jaws and eye sockets). against skilled and keen opponents. this is the warning 😂
Lol😂
Useless? *I guess that intruder I sent to the ER was faking it.*
The comment I was looking for
I have one and it's no joke.
Do you hit him with a solid rubber or steel ball?
@@KobeWilson-xk5wf I upgraded the valve in mine, and I make my own ammo using a 3D printed mold. My ammo uses a large steel ball (I think they're 3/8" but I'd have to check) as the tip and the rest is made with hot glue. The spiked ones some people make don't actually puncture much if at all. It's better to make blunt ammo. The closer you are to your assailant, the more damage. I was told my assailant received an orbital fracture from 1 round at about 10' away.
@@iyeetsecurity922 yes 😂
So if I shoot an intruder with a 3/8 ball barring using a slingshot. I will still get in trouble in the UK?
If you intended to use it for self defence before any event happened you can be in trouble . But if you have it for sport or another purpose and picked it up in the event of an atack then youll be fine as long as the use of force was reasonable. If you shot someone with a slingshot because they shouted at you it would be unreasonable but a genuine fear for your safety would make it reasonable force. Uk laws around self defence are so stupid. You can be arrested for carrying a pencil if you admit you are carrying it for the purpose of defence. But you have a pencil with you for normal pencil reasons and use it in self defence its fine(as long as it was reasonable force)
I live in South Africa, single woman on her own with her child. Two men opened my window and were in the process of bending my burgular bars at 2.30 am. The only thing that stopped them was my dog that started to bark. I have since put in an alarm system and bought this. I rather be armed with pepperballs than having nothing!
Sounds scary! If I were you I would also go about trying to get a firearm license! We don’t have that option here in the UK. *correction we can own rifles and shotguns for hunting but shooting people even in self defence is generally a no no.
@@justinsymonds8470 Unfortunetly, getting a firearm license here is such a rigmarole. Like the uk, robbers have more rights. If you land up killing one while defending yourself, you will be in hot water. The paper work for owning a gun is just crazy man. This is why I opted for one of these and for a really good security system with pacifs and sensors on all windows and doors. Panic buttons on every door. Panic button on my phone. I can also arm and disarm my entire home from my cell phone.
Babe I'm from South Africa too and I'm using this gun 😊
South African too, stopped 5 attackers with this, the sounds it kicks off and the impact damage, no one in the heat of an attack thinks this is a less lethal gun. Mix in Pepper and Zrams ammo, send them home limping.
I'm in America. I'll stick with my Springfield Armory 45 ACP National Match. My State allows unrestricted conceal carry. You guys overseas have it really bad.
Yes since 1939 in France. That's the worst thing a state can do to its citizen?
You country is knackered with shootings kids using them your country is almost backward
Na way worse in yankland
Dam never gonna complain about CALISTAN'S stupid gun laws anymore feel sorry for you Brits
double edged sword, there's also a lot less armed people. even the crooks, they have them but they keep them on the low, they aren't "everywhere" by any stretch. I would love to own fire arms here it is safer from the threat of firearms. it's just if you happen to be unlucky really to come into contact with one unless you're in a gang or live around farmland. You can actually get licences for shotguns up to 3 shell capacity (think we can only get bird shot shell though). and .223 riffles including ARs but its not easy to get permission and your usage is heavily restricted to private property and gun club land of which there is only a few in each region. Funny thing is in the UK you're probably just best with and authentic sword and shield haha, genuinely though most use big blades like machetes for robberies.
You turn up painted like braveheart swinging a scottish claymore (the sword not the mine haha) around they're guna think twice!
my thoughts anyway, they wana make it medievil over here lets go back then I'll be a knight and you can be a peasant bandit, oh what your cheap chinese machete just got stuck in my wooden shield and you're trying to pull it out frantically because you're a pussies without it. guess that arms gone then 🤣
Trust me. I dont care what drugs youre on, my hdr50 will drop you.
Couple of those new, extremely pointed zrams to the chest. You're done. Mind you, that's coming from an 18" barrel, cranked up as hot as she'll go. If I get you in the head, that's a bonus.
Helll yea I feel the same mine is a thumper
Have you modded it? What’s the best version to buy to mod
It may not drop a man intent on harming you, but unless he's on dope, he's going to try to get away. I'm a felon in the US, my wife carries 1, and a knife. I just keep a knife handy. The aluminum have been shown to hit hard enough to crack bone. The standard rubber balls will go through a 1 gallon water jug. All the way through. The spikes look cool and may cut, but penetration is unimpressive through denim. Steel, aluminum, and pepper balls seem to be the best. The only time it's been used in a live situation, the guy took 1 to the nose/lip area, then another in the back of the neck when he turned away. He sprinted away after the second. Best part, no police involvement.
using killer spikes or devastator is more than enoght to make a lot of damage
Got the MK2 version of this 13 Joules.... with the ZRams Ammo, I'm not going to increase the power, this thing is already pushing the limits, close quarters these things will fracture and lodge in bones, enough of these in some ones face and they will be going to the other side, need to treat this with respect always.
Having an HDR50 11 J and using the rubber-steel balls (same ones you shot in your previous video) is good enough for lots of fun when it comes to destroying soft or brittle targets and still staying accurate within 10-15 metres. I would not want to be hit with it anywhere. However, it is a ton of fun for a back yard plinker.
I load my 11 joule with Devastaters. Within the first week of moving 8nto my current address there were 3 home invasions, all within a bl9ck of my res8dence. My opinion, you k8ck my door open, you'd be damn lucky if all you had to worry about for the remainder of your wretched life was seeing it through only one eye, cause I'm aiming for your ears.
Yes that is interesting, however if or as these clowns who wright these ridiculous laws, were to experience a home invasion or intrusion, they would probably use whatever means they deemed necessary and probably wouldn’t be ridiculed, criticized, nor scrutinized. That is called Corruption.
That’s Evil. What type of message does that send to the criminals and crime. By allowing, permitting, enabling, encouraging and empowering. Sociopaths must be at the head and top of the system. Crime at the top must be the reason for crime at the bottom.
Let's not forget the legal use as a paintball marker, it gives you a reason to own one other than home defence so no longer premeditated use against the intruder.
Loved that you did not edit out your reaction to the wind blowing harder! Made me laugh! It looked like you were ready to give up, throwing your hands up. Cute! Around 2:18
If the attacker ain't in a pcp fueled rage 6 pointed z-ram bullets to the face fired with 30 joules should do the trick. There's videos of people pimping this gun to fire through metal even aswell.
At 11j it will go straight through sheetrock.
Even if the mf is in a PCP rage, they ain't walking through bear spray
I'd rather sit in prison for 2-5 years for injuring a home invader than sit in a pine box. Funerals are expensive. Jail has free rent.
Don't call Tyranny Enforcement Officials they are the enemy. Handle the situation and disposal covertly.
Sus
If you modify them it's 5 years in prison just for owning it, let alone using it. Oh and I think the 11j one is only legal for paint balls, so be careful.
The problem with paint is when it’s dried (exposure to oxygen will work)it becomes very hard! 😳😂
It's also meant to be shot with rubber balls, umarex sells them in bundle, and speaking of handing over the revolver - buy two, modify one, devastate with 30J, hand over the 11J one to police 😊
It blows my mind how concerned lefties are about the health of the criminal and not the victim
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
If you have an honest held belief that your life is at risk its not illegal to administor harm to avoid that risk. Even if the person dies. As long as it is self defence and can be proven, the weapon does not matter. Any force to preserve your own life is reasonable force if it stop you dying
I have the mercury rise mub50 and torpedo revolver, they both hit 450 to 500 on first rounds on 1 gram rubber balls or pepper balls but the 2.8 gram aluminum or rubber steel balls or even devastater rounds 4.7 g for revolver would be more lethal than rubber balls or pepper rounds to face, the fps drops to 300ish to upper 200ish on heavier rounds, but joules or like 16 20 on mod guns, before heavy amo, thats even better, I say pepper balls only works close to face or direct hit to face because that powder moves away fast outside in wind and will more than likely miss if shot in chest or below.
For reference, generally in court the standard is; if it looks like a gun it’s treated like a gun…
Shame about the spineless UK laws... if someone breaks into your property and may harm you, they should be fair game for whatever reprisal they invite upon themselves
Hello from LowEr Hudson Valley NY USA
I wasn’t going to comment until I listened to the whole Vid
Great vid by the way
You sir are spot on!
HD nah really don’t think so!
This could be considered a deterrent at best.
“Soft spots” are your target as you said.
Face ,mouth,ears,
teeth, sinus triangle.
Scenario:
3am
Breaking glass
You scrambling out of bed, recliner looking for your “HDP”
You turn shoot
Causalities:
Lamp,vase, 55” TV,
And 2 body shots to the uninvited!
3rd and final step
Throw your “HDP” as hard as you can!
Best case
Fire your “HDP”
While at the same time grabbing your cricket bat and start a new party!!!
IMHO
If you reserve
yourself to the train of thought
“No one is coming”you’ll probably be more creative in your HD action not reaction.
Be safe , Good luck and
God Bless
It's more than a deterrant for sure with the right ammo. Then if you modify it, it becomes deadly.
In America we have no such problem with that, upgrading this weapon to a 30 Jewel shooter with devastator rounds and pepper and her mixed should do the trick for me.
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
Are pepperballs legal in the UK?
No
I have read somewhere that being hit by 9mm might not hurt because of some stress hormones. It is like when you cut yourself slicing an onion. But the damage caused by firearm is fatal of course.
I know a story of a guy who shot himself to the leg with 9mm while pulling the gun out of holster shooting a competition. He noticed that he is bleeding when he finished his turn.
Being hit by a slow rubber ball does not produce these stress hormones and hurts like hell.
But yeah I agree. In reality all these less lethal projectile shooters are questionable.
The thing is that it is difficult to set a reasonable power.
When the projectile has like up to 16J it is possible to withstand the pain being hit into torso and it will likely not break skull when hit to head.
But when you use something stronger like 30J - 40J then the "stopping" effect is much more effective, but when accidentally hits the head it will be likely lethal...
If there was a really perfect nonlethal weapon, policemen would not carry firearms.
Sometimes the lethal force is the only thing that works. A good example are certain dog breeds when attacking full of adrenaline, nothing works... neither stun gun, pepper spray, neither baton...
Its because the 9mm penetrating "cushions" the force. Same reason being punched hurts more than a needle. The more it penetrates the less force is going into the impact because the penetration is "using up" all the force.
Most police in the uk do not carry firearms
Then get 2 guns then. If someone has a weapon and they are about to attack you and you shoot them and its lethal, who cares? Get a good lawyer. You use the 2nd gun thats 10 joules only for the unarmed weaklings who don't know if they are going to attack you or not.
@@earthenscience Mmm, yeah, don't worry. I have bunch of these "toys". From less lethal I already own the HDR68 (16-20J) but also am the firearm and firearm license owner too. I would definitely not rely on something that has only 10 joules that is a bad idea, that is only going to make an attacker more angry. I think some 30J of a rubber ball should be considered a reasonable less lethal option, but yeah it must be a rubber ball, with steel balls we are getting to not likely but possibly lethal spectrum...
@@gravitomagneticpowerwhat if somebody has an HDR 50 cranked hot enough, that It can blow holes in three-quarter inch plywood at 75 and 100 ft? Or what about when shooting it from an 8inch barrel, it blows sparks out? Mine does.
The law is called "stand your ground" and it's in place in 50% of the states in the US as well (as well as in many other countries in the world). This law, and I quote from WIkipedia: "provides that people may use deadly force when they REASONABLY believe it to be necessary to defend against certain violent crimes". The smaller details in the law vary from country to country/state to state, but you can't get away with anything in the US either, or maybe you can if you live in Texas.
Good video, mate. Home intruders shouldn't be afraid of my 7.5 joule umarex markers. They should be worried about the 6'1 lunatic sending the 400fps crossbow bolts their way. Not to mention the Cane Corso and short tempered Rottie, who both sleep on the landing.
The laws would not stop me using it
Justin you have a lot more courage for critical feedback then "ThatGearGuy" who muted the comments.
Thanks for a much better review.
I believe people should be able to say what they want. I don’t have to agree but I will never block or delete negative comments.
@@justinsymonds8470 Great review and advice Justin.
I like ThatGearGuy's vids and can understand him muting comments. Sometimes message boards turn into a hornets nest of bickering and misinterpretation. Much credit to you for leaving it open though and also for taking the time to reply to commentators.
Liked and subscribed.
The gun may not be the best choice, but the worst thing is to live in Great Britain. Or any country that will not allow you to protect yourself and your own home.
8fp is illegal in the uk , limit for all uk pistols is 6 fp and rifles are 12.
Just be aware that the 11Joule version in the UK is illegal if you use solid rubber balls. You can only use it with fragible (breakable) ammo like paintballs. As the max legal ft/lbs is 6, and 11 Joules will give you just over 8ft/lbs, so it will be classed as a firearm, and you will go to prison if you use it against another person, even if they have broken in to your home.
Crazy, but that's the law.
Interessting POV, i live in Germany and as far as i know over here it works like this:
Anything under 0,5 Joule is a toy, anything that has more but is under 7,5 Joule is allowed if you are 18+ Yrs. old but only to keep them at home, you are not allowed to take them with you outside, unless you have a licence for Firearms you are only allowed to take them around if in a case, enclosed and secured so that nobody can simply open a box or whatever and reach for it, the ammunition has to be transported separately and not in the same container as the Gun, which can be Spring loaded, Gas/CO2 or without anything coming out.
Any firearm, it does not matter if CO2, Springloaded or whatever, if it has more than 7.5Joule it is only allowed to People with a Licence for Firearms, there are a couple ways to get the Licence, like if you are a collector or stuff like that, but you will have Someone coming to your place checking out what you have and wanting to see that you have an apropriate Cabinet for the Weapon to be kept safe, out of reach from Kids, in a way that if someone breaks in they can't Easily access the Weapon.
Over here, we are as well allowed to Defend ourselves in our Home, but very much like in the UK, you have to defend yourself using Apropriate measures that are not going over the Top compared to the force the Intruder used, so in poor words, if someones breaks in and you shoot them, you get in jail, if you hurt them to a degree that they have life long repercussion, you gonna pay a life long for whatever you did to them.
I myself own a Gas Pistol with Pepper Ammo (i dont know what it's proper name is) which has to be enough, but like you said in your Video, is it gonna stop someone that really wants to hurt you or your Family? not really
If anyone from Germany knows better feel free to correct me.
Is the 11 joules version legal to possess or even buy in the uk? I thought 6ft-lb was the max for handguns. I bought a slingshot because it shoots 11mm steel balls at around 11 ft-lbs
well… lets put it this way, if it’s illegal every major uk gun store with large stock who are registered fire arm dealers (which they have to be to be able to sell firearms and air guns) are putting their livelihood and license on the line because they ALL sell them. They are not some discreet under the counter item, they are in the store on the shelf and always available (in my local stores anyway) they even sell the HDR 68 which is 16 joules (11.8 ft lbs). To purchase them all you need is to show your id. a condition of becoming an RFD is to ‘not sell firearms or ammunition to anyone who is not authorised to own a firearm or shotgun’. That being said I’m no lawyer i get my knowledge from google. As a consumer I presume that the reputable businesses I purchase my guns from have done their due diligence and are not blatantly breaking a very strictly regulated law, after-all they have far more experience and knowledge than me. I think there are loopholes as these are paintball markers and are designed to shoot frangible ammo. As I say in the video I think if you shot someone with ANY gun in the UK sub 6ft lb, paintball or not and they go to the police, you run the risk of it being treated as a firearm. It’s for fun, and paint balling. As long as that’s what you use it for you’ll be fine.
If you don't want to mod the gun, any ammo you use is fine, provided you have targets, so you can say your use it for target practice, make sure the neighbours see you shooting it in the garden so they can testify you use it for target shooting. Those crossbow bolts you can get for it would cause serious damage, I've seen what they do to ballistic gel
frightfully true. God bless you, sir.
Two words: pepper balls
That will stop any intruder. Just aim to chest or wall. But down side is using it in close quarters and accidentally walking in that pepper cloud yourself.
And I thought about possibility of knocking out my own teeth at any time (on practice or when defending yourself) because rubber balls could bounce off back at me. And I didn't see anyone yet using any kind of teeth shield on YT HDR50 reviews.
Good video about warning people. 👍
This is not a toy and could cause lethal injury to owner, kids or intruder.
I bought it mainly to avoid using lethal weapons. And because its currently most practical defense CO2 gun to use and reload in my opinion. I searched for more practical smaller one as "CCW gun" but I didn't find it.
Pepper balls pepper spray all such products illegal in the uk. PEPPER SPRAY is prohibited under the firearms act here so if caught with it you would be charged as if you had a firearm 🤦♂️
@@justinsymonds8470 🤦♂️ So unless UK people can hit intruder with rubber balls right in his nuts they are all screwed...
Law is protecting criminals in this way, and I believe there are many of them in 66.46 million UK population...
Im from Croatia and in 3.5 million pop. criminals are all over country....
Guys, in Spain they come into your house to live and the Law prohibits you from throwing them out and you have to pay for the electricity and water they consume or they condemn you for coercion. My HDR with bullets 9mm and 20 joules will put me in jail, but my house is mine
What??? That sounds insane
That's stupid. Just do some baseball batting and drop them to a forest.
If you think it's useless for home defence would you be up for filming a video where you get shot with spiked metal rounds or devastator rounds to show it's ineffectiveness?
The point of the video is laws and restrictions make it useless… not that the gun itself is.
13 joules versions are available in the UK. As for legality. Only 7.5 joule allowed to be private owned without licence.
How many stay with just 11j ??
I modified my to a lethal HDR50 😎
Then you must shoot with 6-8gram bullets.
Its not the head damage on the outside you kan see, it in the little brake of the skull who take the intruder down!
Try razor "balls" with spikes and blades. They go through aluminium like through paper
The 50 Joule HDX I have works great for home defense. I do agree that a 7.5 or 11 Joule launcher isn't going to be that effective, especially if it's only a 50 caliber.
Yeah here in canada i wont go to AB,BC,MB or NS because they dont allow body armor and your not allowed to carry any weapon at all for the purpose of self defense anywhere in the country. Also, the law here says your only allowed to use as much force as your agressor does towards you. So basically, you gotta wait for him to attack you in order to see what your allowed to look for... I obviously break the law everytime i leave the house because im forced too. Id rather be safe in jail than a law abiding dead citizen. I love the country i live in and i think its safer than america but violent crime is on the rise and we have an opiate epidemic that the government is only fueling with the "safe supply" program. Were literally all sitting ducks here and no one realizes it...
I can understand the 'logic' behind even foolish laws regarding the use of weapons for self defence. Not being allowed to wear body armour is insane though. It's like it being illegal to put your hands up to cover your face when someone is trying to punch you.
Well informed video i just like to point out that criminal's don't care about the law !! And when they are in your house you do not know their intentions !!! I would take any action i felt necessary and if I were taken to court I would say just that !!!
Excellent advice about modifications 👍
When the lives of you and your family are at risk, I say the only laws that apply are the laws of the juggle! Anyone breaking into your home has zero rights!
I expect mine to be delivered tomorrow, it sounds really powerful, is yours the 7 or 11 joules??
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Even here in the States we have a problem of courts finding you using unnecessary force when you shoot someone who's rushing you with a knife. As if reasonable force would be to then equip yourself with your own knife and attempt to win a knife fight against your assailant like this is some kind of honorable duel and not someone trying to murder another unprovoked.
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Great Video! Keep up the awesome content!
intruders generally don’t want to « hurt you ». often they will run away the moment they see you
Better alive and also saving my family lives than being scared about a trial.
Genuine question. How would you modify it to 30j?
best review of this item i have seen; cheers from across the pond
These type of non lethals is always more of a deterrent in my opinion. It gives more of a brief wtf moment to allow someone the time to escape, or close the distance through minor pain infliction or intimidation. And some people and families cannot have firearms for whatever reason. It’s also fun to use, and maybe a training step for those who want to upgrade to firearms later. Thoughtful review mate. I hear ya….
Pepper pallets? You can stop 5-6 man with those one easily.
Yeah but if you empty a load in someone face if give you time to get away.. ask someone who thinks its useless to use to let you shoot them with it . I a sure you they change there attitude about it being useless
I have the Umarex HDP50 and I jave removed the baffle, making it more potent.
With ball bearings for ammo this gun is now pretty mean.
Is that the 7.5 or 11 Joules version in this video?
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'The law is an ass' someone once said. (Especially in England).
And it is upheld by "asshole's"
Thank you man. You probably know but you can get a windproof cover for your go pro..
All my videos are filmed on iPhones… the newer one pics up wind noises way more than the older one. I’ve gotten a wireless mic with noise cancellation now so wind shouldn’t be an issue anymore. 👍
So buying a firearm for the purpose of defence isn't preplanning but buying one that won't kill is? Make it make sense.
If my safety is on the line, especially in a potentially lethal situation, I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission. Allowing something to happen to me based on what the law states allows me no opportunity for asking for forgiveness. For me, that's enough said.
Solid advice, thank you
Justin, you are 100% wrong. Its just physics. The 13 Joules TR50 can take the Devil Spikes, the Maximum Power Killer and the CNC golden destroyers. So, when it comes to 130m/s speed with a really sharp and spiky bullet of 2 or 3 grams...believe me, you dont want to get even one of them....not 6 in a row. They DO penetrate skin for an inch at least.
Muy buen video, muy buenas opinión. Es de mucha ayuda para los que buscamos defensa propia. Perspectivas diferentes a lo que uno mismo pueda ver. Mas allá de las leyes de cada país.
Gracias hermano!
With the zram updates it can reach 30+ joules. They also make make some pretty rowdy ammo.
I don't use it for home defense necessarily, I carry it in my bag as a less lethal option to my pistol. Ive got mine tuned to 25-30 Joules so I'm sure it would work for home defense, considering the situation obviously.
Whats it like with the boost to Jules? Think it would be powerful enough to Pententrate straight through clothes and skin within 10 meters?
How do you raise the joules?
@@YorkshireFlea Without question.
@@Themoneyprintbiz Tuning barrel, power kit 50, remove the valve pin, barrel extension thst comes with tuning barrel, ect
@@nunyabizness3882 is it the same process with the hdr 68 i think thats the one am gonna go with i heard its more powerful whats your opinion?
If my research is correct, a 9mm NATO round generates about 400 ft lbs of force, or approx. 500 joules. If a court/judge finds that modifying an 11 joule paint ball gun up to a 30 joule non-lethal/less-lethal self defense tool is considered excessive, I would have to question the judgement of that Judge. Just my opinion.
Chest=bad,back=bad. Head=ok legs/knees=godlike. They wont come at you or run it hurts way more to get hit in leg/knee specially if u use the steel balls in this sucker
in hungary we use to buy rubber bullet shooters, there are no limitation in my country for rugger buklet shooter. my revolver “keseru pitbull” has aroung70-80 joule per shot power, and i have a g-shot shotgun which has 180-200 joule power.
The Umarex is not a effective self defense/home defense weapon. I agree with everything said in this video. I've seen pellet gun that's equally equipped. The Umarex air gun is only applicable, and effective with modifications. I would not recommend Umarex for home defense.
I wouldn’t mind the umerex javelin tho, but I’m not sure they’re available in the uk,, it’s like an air rifle/spear gun 😳👌🙌🏻 having said that there’d by quite a mess to mop up after a home invasion
@@brendanstoran7555 The air Javelin is very nice and effective. Much better option and more reliable than the 7.5 joules, HDR, T4E, TR50 revolver. If The HDR-50, was at least 35 joules I would think about getting it, but until then I stand by my words.
@@global-awarenessnetwork5315 yeah I prefer crossbows too my friend
Imagine protecting your home with one of these against an intruder and then getting sued for doing so....Twisted World it nit?
I don’t know what’s more annoying.
The ridiculous home/self defense laws of n the Uk or the wind.
Best of luck Brutha. You’re better off being prepared the dead. You seem like a reasonable/sensible dude. Hopefully you never have to use it, BUT I’m sure you will use it as lawfully and correctly as possible when the time comes. Cheers Bro👍🏻
Bold of you to assume I would bother calling the cops.
What can I say .. it might be stupid to load these with hollowpoints where these are illegal, but if I have to choose between explaining myself to a court or to Peter, I think I'll risk the hollowpoints. If you are not mature enough to judge when you might be meeting Peter, and when its just the court, thats on you.
UK law sucks -
my intention and responsibility is to protect my family, a robbers intention is to breaks into my home and rob me maybe even cause harm to me and my family.
robbers know that a UK homeowner can not really challenge or confront them. Because if a bugler gets hurt, they can sue the homeowner..!!!
the homeowner can either yell at them or lock themselves in a room while the robber helps themselves to the homeowner stuff before the police come - anything can happen during this time..
why should a homeowner be scared in their own home?
why are we not allowed to defend ourselves in our home.
As an aluminium tin can is stronger than skin, a drinks can would be the best item to similarly replicate the human body type thing
I would never move to the UK
Which is why I opt for the crossbow!
The 11 joule and up, loaded with devastators will stop any intruder. Sucks for you☹️
If yo mod it it’s lethal for shire. 4 mods $350 and it’s completely leathal
Might wanna keep in mind that it’s first and foremost for fun. It CAN be useful as a non lethal option as it can but you those seconds you need to get out or whatever the case may be!! But yea it is a non lethal weapon obviously so not to be confused with a real firearm 😅
True but uk law would treat this as a firearm if you weren’t using paintballs and you used it on a person. Even if you used paintballs, if it’s outside of a game you risk being charged under firearm regulations.
@@justinsymonds8470 I hear ya and that doesn’t surprise me at all. You can only imagine that new ammo that is semi rubber covered arrowhead ..ish and that could potentially do some serious damage.
I would say the standard one is pretty worthless for self-defense but mine puts out about at a hundred joules. I can kill a bear with mine. I originally got it for defense against dogs when I was walking my other one but as usual I took it overboard and had to get another one that I maxed out at about 30 jewels so it wouldn't kill the dog. I love mine but I heavenly modified it too
Get modifying buddy. I've done this to all my umarex pistols. Averaging 20-30J on them all with the right temperature.
Hey, do you have some recommendations for a first time buyer?
@@Squad2ND My advice is most of these cheap guns suck and are a joke. 7 joule to the chest will not stop an intruder. I modified my 7 joule HDP to 40 joule. It still sucks in ways besides the joules, you have to really tighten the endcap with an allen wrench for the co2 to puncture. If you don't tighten it with an allen wrench you are screwed with a "partial indentation" so you have to puncture it all the way or else you have a partially indented Co2 laying around.. Then you have to slam it really hard on a rigid surface, its not ideal as a self-defense platform at all. If you want an HDP i would use it mainly just for home defense after getting a HPA adapter so you don't have to fiddle with the Co2 puncture garbage. It sucks for its intended purpose of concealed carry but might be good for home defense after some mods
@@earthenscience
I had a gut feeling some honest soul would tell the truth :) I am sad to hear that it does not fit the bill. I love in Europe so you have to wait a while in order to get a real firearms. But thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
@@Squad2ND In the meantime you could get a bow and arrow
@@earthenscience I have never had any issues with HDR co2 puncturing. Absolutely no reason to use allen wrench.
If the robbers survive and are brutally injured they could sue you.
Still just a gimmick at 7, 11, 20 joules.
Maybe enough to defend your neighbour's cat.