The Myth of the "Clash of Civilizations". Edward Said

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  • In 1993 Harvard Professor Samuel P. Huntington wrote an essay titled "The Clash of Civilizations?" and later he expanded into a book with the same title, but without the question mark. Edward Said, late Columbia professor rips Huntington's thesis to shreds.

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  • @JERY3333
    @JERY3333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    Dr Said pretty much explained everything that is happening with Palestinian as of now, with extraordinary accuracy. This was in the 90s and we are in 2023, WOW.

    • @jcr4runner
      @jcr4runner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How so? I'd argue the opposite. I'd argue that the Gaza-Israeli War is an example of a war in a "cleft nation" -- a nation torn between two civilizations -- Israel representing the liberal secular west and with religious Zionists and the Palestinians representing traditional Islam --- just as Huntington describes.

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@jcr4runner Even the Zionists were honest about their crimes and racism more than you.
      The Russian Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky explained very well the Zionist aims in Palestine in his article "The Iron Wall, We and the Arabs 1923" he wrote:
      "Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population -- an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in total, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy. Not only must this be so, it is so whether we admit it or not. What does the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate mean for us? It is the fact that a disinterested power committed itself to create such security conditions that the local population would be deterred from interfering with our efforts. ...
      My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. ...
      EVERY indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see any hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel". ...
      If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find a benefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. Zionism is a colonizing adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces."
      And Moshe Dayan, stated in 1956, just 8 years after Al Nakba, and before the secular PLO or Hamas even existed: "Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before [the Palestinians'] very eyes we are possessing the land and villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived ... We are the generation of colonizers, and without the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home. " Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel, and Avi Shlaim Iron Wall, p. 101.
      - David Ben Gurion said: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is NATURAL: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". -The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99.
      By the way, Gurion was a secular, but he accepted god "promised land"!! And based on a book he published in 1918 in New York, he believed that the Arab natives of Palestine were the "flesh and the blood of old Judeans", but later when the same Arab natives rejected his "Jewish state" in their land, he didn't mind to expel them and steal their land.
      On the other hand, prominent humanists like Einstein and Gandhi talked about the criminality of the Zionists' project to establish a "Jewish state" in Palestine.
      In a letter to a Zionist called Shepard Rifkin, Einstein wrote:
      "Dear Sir:
      When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organizations build up from our own ranks.
      I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people."
      Save your BS about "liberal secular west" or shove it somewhere else. It is the occupation, stupid Yank.

    • @khadija2739
      @khadija2739 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@abumizty for ur comment🙏🙏

    • @robertosei8867
      @robertosei8867 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jcr4runner finally somebody gets it!

  • @cita9165
    @cita9165 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Rip Dr. Said. Your wisdom still shines.

    • @fabiengerard8142
      @fabiengerard8142 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      🙏🏻♥️🙏🏽♥️🙏

  • @samibabar
    @samibabar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I really miss the intellectuals of the East, especially Edward Said and Eqbal Ahmad, what gems we have lost in the spectrum of time.

  • @Cellem17
    @Cellem17 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    We are still talking about collective punishment after all these years Mr Said.

  • @Mindfultranslations
    @Mindfultranslations 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    i feel so sad and regret having lived 60 yrs ... and only recently become aware of a man named edward said , taught , wrote , lectured , in America... were it not for the internet i woudve never heard of ... rip Dr Said .

  • @InsideJoke1995
    @InsideJoke1995 10 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Such incredible eloquence and compassion. Magnificent speech. The world needs more people like Edward Said.

  • @jandeenphoto
    @jandeenphoto 11 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    This is the quality of education we could receive if government cared about the quality of information and language being taught at our schools and institutes of higher education.. Television could broadcast lectures and documentaries on this level if the master plan was not to keep the masses stupid and living in fear in the name of financial manipulation by the few.

  • @OzgulEzgin
    @OzgulEzgin 11 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I am currently reading the book and I am so glad that I got a chance to listen Edward Said's remarks about it.. Now I will continue reading with an open mind :) Thank you Said..

  • @TheUnnamedAssailant
    @TheUnnamedAssailant 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The entirety of the War of Terror can be boiled down to an understanding by listening to this lecture. Clear and concise information

  • @eymeeraosaka2954
    @eymeeraosaka2954 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Kudos to Prof Said for being the DEFENDER of truth. Great talk. Thank you for dismantling the "Clash of Civilisation" for what it is.

  • @KL1212-ck9ky
    @KL1212-ck9ky 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Edward Said Thank you! If you had lived today, it would have been a little easier for us.😞

  • @honesty_provides_tranquility
    @honesty_provides_tranquility 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A lone voice of reason in a sea of western exceptionalism

  • @okaytoletgo
    @okaytoletgo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you producers. Beautifully edited and paced.

  • @himoki1000
    @himoki1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Watching this is inspiring.. may his soul rest in peace 💚💚

  • @ExJewAntiKhazarWesternAsian
    @ExJewAntiKhazarWesternAsian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    He's a genius and brave who opened a gate to non-european scholars and a way of thinking independent from Western-eurocentric intellectualism.

  • @VintageSurgeonsGeneral
    @VintageSurgeonsGeneral 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Unparalleled! Missing him

  • @dabbledtv5955
    @dabbledtv5955 8 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I'm not Chinese or Japanese at all but I clearly remember my first interactions with these cultures in-person and through media when I was a child and felt nothing but compassion, interest, and allure to their societies. Of course then, once you get to know another's culture, it sometimes feels incredibly disappointing to have discovered we are all pretty much the same, and there is no place that is truly wonderful to be in here on Earth because humans everywhere have a lot to learn about goodness.

  • @barryhillman3644
    @barryhillman3644 11 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    One of the greatest minds there ever existed on the side of justice. There was a time when President Obama or the then Senator Obama used to feel Professor Said made a lot of sense.Yeah, but then at the time the president himself was for the most part on the side of justice and not the drone-hugging leader of the "free world". Besides when did zionism & justice go together? The world could be blessed with one & only one Edward Said but it sure could do with a million more. Thanks for the vid!

    • @muhammadroohallah6091
      @muhammadroohallah6091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      barry hillman Obama the President was just like the previous presidents
      He bombed countries way more and used drone strikes to kill innocents daily

  • @danlandmark6970
    @danlandmark6970 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I read Saids works all my life and used them as a basis for my own thesis on Swedish orientalism. Now i cannot but wonder what he would say about the present world disaster

  • @francefradet2116
    @francefradet2116 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel so sorry for Edward Said. Having to leave his beautiful home in Palestine and grow up as an exile surrounded by WASP oafs.

  • @AxmedBahjad
    @AxmedBahjad 9 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    "The real question is whether in the end we want to work for civilizations that are separate, or whether we should be taking the more integrative, but perhaps more difficult path, which is to see them as making one vast whole, whose exact contours are impossible for any person to grasp, but whose certain existence we can intuit and feel and study." - Edward Said

    • @post-industrialpeasant3190
      @post-industrialpeasant3190 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Italian political theorist Gaetano Mosca noted in 'The Ruling Class'(1939) that universal peace is something to be feared, because it could come about "only if all the civilized world were to belong to a single social type, to a single religion, and if there were to be an end to disagreements as to which social betterment can be attained.... Even granting that such a world could be realized it does not seem to us a desirable sort of world." Of course, there is often nothing worse than war or violent death. But a truism that bears repeating is that peace, as a primary goal, is dangerous because it implies that you will sacrifice any principle for the sake of it. A long period of peace in an advanced technological society like ours could lead to great evils, and the ideal of a world permanently at peace and governed benignly by a global organization is not an optimistic view of the future but a dark one.
      -Robert Kaplan-

    • @Bell_plejdo568p
      @Bell_plejdo568p 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@post-industrialpeasant3190that’s not true tho war happens because of the elites

  • @thomaslolll2
    @thomaslolll2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Rip Edward, your work has inspired so many. Love

  • @zarakostova5557
    @zarakostova5557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Magnificent lecture! Brilliant analysis and extremely correct! Congratulations to late Professor Said who revealed the purpose of this "prophetic" work so well. What year were we supposed to hear his speech? It is pitty that we have lost so early a person with such morals and honest mind. We badly need people like Edward Said now!

  • @n3rdy11
    @n3rdy11 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Said is mistaken when he thinks Huntington and Lewis are trying to understand the world with their "Clash of Civilizations".
    It's not a theory that seeks to understand, it's a justification rationale and battleplan how to divide and conquer, that's the context in which it's being seen and applied.
    And sadly it's been incredibly succesful, to such a degree that I have very little hope left for most people in the West.

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very well said.

  • @cncgeek
    @cncgeek 12 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    A great analysis by a remarkable intellectual, may he rest in peace

  • @asheneckyajen
    @asheneckyajen 12 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    thank God he gave us this man, but if only hed given us more

  • @kausamsalam8543
    @kausamsalam8543 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Huntington’s authorities are not the cultures themselves...but secondary and tertiary sources.” So true -Huntington is to civilization: as Tom Buchanan is to family man-both insulting to the growth of the human race-“Coexistence” while “respecting differences,” (rather than) extermination. His speech often reminds me of that line in Revelation of Continuity, Quran -(Of the Christians, there are those who are a people of deep learning and love)....(Said: “You cannot continue to victimize others just because you were a victim once” -only one Edward Said who’d dare say this out loud)-May God grant him and his families Eternal Heavens for Justice with Love-Ameen

  • @Red-nt3ut
    @Red-nt3ut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I see how Huntington's thesis is broadly correct. How civilizations with shared cultures are likely to and have worked together, despite their differences, to combat a greater threat. However, Said's criticism towards Huntington's resolution to the thesis is very valuable: That generalizations towards foreign policy on these foreign identities can disrupt peace or provoke further hostility.
    Said's criticism in this sense is brilliant, which adds nuance to Huntington's thesis, and can provide a complete world view.
    With Said's background in mind, it's understandable how his conclusions are proven with experience. How such generalizations in policy have ruined the lives of thousands and incited war. His works on Zionist policy best demonstrate how such misunderstandings can disrupt peace, promote conquest, displace people, and cause many deaths.

    • @cliffgaither
      @cliffgaither 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Red ~~
      "Zionist policy best demonstrate how such _misunderstandings_ disrupt peace, promote conquest, displace people, and cause many deaths".
      There are no _misunderstandings !_
      Zionist / Israeli policy is strait-up _Colonialism._
      The only _misunderstandings_ comes from the Natives who believe the Strangers / Conquerors when they say ::
      "We come in Peace".

  • @georgezani6205
    @georgezani6205 8 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    In 50 minutes Edward Said decimated Sam Huntington's crazy thesis, and exposed the senility of Bernard Lewis as a discredited pretentious scholar. Said is greatly missed and his wisdom is badly needed in this crazy world ...

    • @bakaluffy4604
      @bakaluffy4604 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      .

    • @mujeebnizamani131
      @mujeebnizamani131 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He is my moral compass

    • @TheEleatic
      @TheEleatic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      His humanism and liberalism was admirable. However, I don’t share his optimism. Human beings are acquisitive and myopic. I think the totalization of your world view follows naturally from your belief in it. However, universal truths cannot be imposed on others through violence. The need must arise from a progressive realization of internal disequilibrium and injustice-Hegel.

  • @ktm4042
    @ktm4042 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

  • @djsebleb
    @djsebleb 8 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    The more people adhere and believe in the 'Clash of Civilisations' the more likely such a clash will come about.

    • @pbghosh5305
      @pbghosh5305 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Horatio Hornblower QUITE AGREE ...

  • @mirazzzzz
    @mirazzzzz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You cannot continue to victimise somebody else just because you yourself were a victim once. There has to be a limit.

  • @solslattery8957
    @solslattery8957 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this bloke is such a legend

  • @nazrule153
    @nazrule153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clash of Civilisation is a dangerous view from a disturbed and misinformed mind. And thus working to eradicate this insanity of "them vs us" will certainly usher new endeavour towards coming to terms with the terrors of injustices that has displaced harmony. As peace surpasses this evil of those who persist to Warmonger conspicuously like Samual P Huntington. Thank you. God bless All.

  • @yehmen29
    @yehmen29 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is illuminating.
    I own a copy of a huge hard bound book on Islam, by Bernard Lewis. I came across it in the bookshop at the Institut du Monde Arabe, a couple of years ago. It's got beautiful pictures and I've been using it as an idiot's guide to Islam now and then. And now Edward Said deconstructs it... I am definitely going to look up his works.

  • @drjethrowski1225
    @drjethrowski1225 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It seems Huntington's hypothesis was a self-fulfilling cover/justification for imperialistic ambitions and extraction of resource wealth; i.e., he was right about the outcome because his philosophy was a road map for domination and exploitation, the exploitation eliciting the reaction. Had we had a non-criminal federal "government," one that wasn't owned by the Wall Street mafia, Huntington's predictions would never have come about.

    • @Windband1
      @Windband1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally spot on.

    • @noco7243
      @noco7243 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's retarded. He wouldn't benefit from "Imperialist ambitions." He isn't in the government, he's a professor. You mentioned Wall Street as if it's some sort of monolith when in reality, there are different people who do different things there and have different ideas, many of which were contradictory to Bush.

  • @tetsaiga376
    @tetsaiga376 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Beautiful closing statement Mr.Edward!

  • @LuvlyFlight
    @LuvlyFlight 11 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    and to think that 'the clash of civilisations' was required reading in political science classes at McGill in Montreal...

  • @naayou99
    @naayou99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    33:34 "the more insisted we are on the separation of cultures, the more inaccurate we are about ourselves and others"--Ed. Said. RIP

  • @premodernprejudices3027
    @premodernprejudices3027 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I partly agree with Said, although I also essentially agree with the general thesis of Huntington, that civilizational clashes - if not always manifested in armed conflicts - is inevitable. It is his prescription with which I find myself moving away from him, where he believes the West's only response to this clash would be to further indulge more intervention abroad, etc. This is where Said's critique of Huntington carries the most weight, I think.

    • @johnstewart7025
      @johnstewart7025 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      When someone hands you something that is supposed to be a magic wand, it is tempting to buy one. This may be what Huntington's book is like. I found an old Chomsky comment where he rejected the theory.

  • @itisjustmeagain
    @itisjustmeagain ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hearing Starless at the beginning was nice.

  • @PlusDeltaM
    @PlusDeltaM 11 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think it's actually 'Starless' from the album Red. Both amazing albums though! This song in particular is an absolute masterpiece!

  • @aniksamiurrahman6365
    @aniksamiurrahman6365 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Extraordinary!

  • @jasonivancontreras9340
    @jasonivancontreras9340 9 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Europe is too diverse to just categorize into one civilization, man these Anglo-Saxons(not all) tend to have a very superficial view of the world.

    • @elidrissii
      @elidrissii 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yes, yes, yes.
      The Anglo-Saxons and their kin are the best at that game.
      They do the same with Eastern Europe (which starts at Poland for them) to a lesser degree, and Southern Europe at an an even lesser degree.

    • @jasonivancontreras9340
      @jasonivancontreras9340 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** I don't necessarily agree with you but my views are a lot different then the one I expressed here.

    • @StephenSeabird
      @StephenSeabird 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's no such thing as 'an Anglo-Saxon' in the C21st, anymore there's such a thing as an 'Aryan'. These are peoples long since watered down by contact with other peoples.

  • @mostrolopo
    @mostrolopo 11 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Brilliant. Thank you youtube.

  • @pkwyman
    @pkwyman 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    As much as I like Said, the moment he said in the beginning that "no one talks about" Fukuyama's "End of [History]" he proved himself theoretically wrong. It did become a much talked about book, and was not the "End of Fukuyama."

  • @williamstone8330
    @williamstone8330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn… what a musical opener….

  • @Nephi895
    @Nephi895 10 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    King Crimson in the intro?

    • @fshahrour
      @fshahrour 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      yes

    • @psylocybintakeo
      @psylocybintakeo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeeees. always happy to hear them

    • @snavenai
      @snavenai 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beautiful

  • @zahirarahman8104
    @zahirarahman8104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This has to be circulated all over.

  • @scaredyfish
    @scaredyfish 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The book came out in 1993 - do we know when this lecture was filmed?

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      1998 is the lecture copyright date.

  • @pameladeen7479
    @pameladeen7479 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you

  • @Xoco1618phi
    @Xoco1618phi 11 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It's called "Starless and Bible Black" from the album of the same name by King Crimson. It's a great album by the way. Regards.

  • @warhol20000
    @warhol20000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Denationalization of education: where do we start?

  • @huahuacha
    @huahuacha 12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Cet homme était un des espoirs du monde, par sa réflexion profonde et son travail incessant contre les forces "obscures" qui pensent pouvoir diviser le monde en deux face : les bons et les méchants. Des hommes de ce talent ne devraient pas mourir si tôt. Mais son oeuvre (livres, essais, article mais aussi l'orchestre fondé avec D. Barenboïm. Hommage!!!

  • @LAHall-dw7ut
    @LAHall-dw7ut 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just had to read it at The University of Vermont.

    • @dollparts7506
      @dollparts7506 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Having to watch this at Florida Atlantic University now ☺️

  • @aWorkInProgress11
    @aWorkInProgress11 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Intro song is Starless by King Crimson off the Red album.

  • @sultanskinny
    @sultanskinny 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:32 "My premise is that the essay is better than the book. I mean it got worse the more he added to it."
    I love it when academics diss each other.

  • @sayitwithrach2748
    @sayitwithrach2748 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If I want to cite parts of this in a formal academic essay how would I format it/is it advisable to do so? thanks

  • @gardikagigih5704
    @gardikagigih5704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you maestro,

  • @shouter1979
    @shouter1979 13 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A great man

  • @hanniballecter7259
    @hanniballecter7259 9 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Recent events proved that Huntingdon was largely right. The US's pursuing of the universalism in the Middle East brought islamic world into chaos and had born the IS. The US's pursuing of the democracy in Ukraine sparked the clash between West and Russia (orthodox). Maybe a harmonic development of all cultures is the desirable development, but real world is more harsh.

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  9 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Hannibal Lecter Where did you get the illusion that the criminal USA would ever pursue "universalism and democracy" anywhere? These false promises prove nothing, and they are part of the stupid propaganda we hear from the American corporate media.
      A People's History of American Empire: th-cam.com/video/Arn3lF5XSUg/w-d-xo.html

    • @hanniballecter7259
      @hanniballecter7259 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Palestine Diary I don't deem that the USA pursue only a self-interest. Yes, the primary incentive in American politics is profit, but as Huntington pointed out the main problem that they think that US are doing right. The US are intruding in any other country domestic politics because they suppose that the US have the best political system ever and trying "to teach" foreigners their values. This is known as "American exceptionalism

    • @hanniballecter7259
      @hanniballecter7259 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oners82 As I said US is losing their comparative power. Yes, US is still the most powerful country in the world but in 1945 their share in the economy and military power of the planet was much bigger than now. It's funny, but the bipolar world had helped the US to maintain the influence and since the collapse of the USSR the multipolar world have started to form. Soon the US will face with rivalry not only from Russia and China but from Asia, Latin America and Europe.

    • @hanniballecter7259
      @hanniballecter7259 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oners82 I still don't think so. If you have some model of government, you will naturally support similar forms in the world. And if you are the influential country such as the US the spreading your political system is a natural way of being. Yes, in some cases you will support antagonistic regimes when circumstances are demanded so, but this is a detour of your policy, not a common approach. For instance, USA supports the Saudi Arabia and their autocratic regime. But in the USA many citizens criticize this policy and with the time this could change American policy toward the ally. In the case of Ukraine, US have supported democratization without many political gains. What could they get? The base in Crimea? The missile defense in the country? Ukraine as a member of NATO? Yes, maybe. But this is potential goals and pretty possible couldn't be achieved in the given situation.
      As I said above, the problem it is not the USA or some "conspiracy government" are pursuing a hidden purpose. They are pursuing the pretty good goal with (sometimes) dumb methods and regardless of the context. And they try to combine selfish intentions with decent ones.

    • @hanniballecter7259
      @hanniballecter7259 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oners82 I never meant that the US is the fair state and only wish to support other countries and commonwealth by promoting the democracy. I personally dislike the US for what they did with my country, Ukraine. And examples given by you indeed confirm the US's hypocrisy. They had some incentives to support Contras because Contras confronted the regime which overthrew loyal to US government. They supported Saddam because he opposed Iran, the hostile to the US regime (after Iranian revolution). They supported Jean-Claude Duvalier for his anticommunist views. Remember, that was the time of the Cold war when an enemy of my enemy was my friend.
      But again, that were detours from main policy to support "free world" the embodiment of which was the democracy. The support of oppression regimes evoked and still induce the strong criticism of the US society and elected politicians cannot ignore it. In the geopolitics cannot be honest it's mostly a dirty affair. The US policy is somehow naive because they evidently believe that their point of view could be imposed on societies obviously unprepared to it through the revolutionary changes. That lead to wars and instability in the world.

  • @zachstroud2522
    @zachstroud2522 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Curious to see his thoughts on the topic today. Clash of Civilizations pointed out things that came to fruition.

    • @AzeemaFaizunnisa
      @AzeemaFaizunnisa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We can only wish...

    • @agubata1
      @agubata1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is a complete misapprehension of his sophisticated thesis.

  • @shohrehhejazi8308
    @shohrehhejazi8308 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It seems he is speaking about todays Palestine situation . How Sad 😢 12 years ago

  • @BTinHD
    @BTinHD 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is music to my ears!

  • @nailachou1174
    @nailachou1174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please explain why my comments related to this issue keeps getting deleted. I have posted several times. After being visible momentarily it disappears.

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My apologies, I had to keep comments on hold until they are approved due to all sort of racist comments I received when I started, and lately I am not that active here. But I didn't delete any of your comments.

  • @devingauthier2933
    @devingauthier2933 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice use of Starless

  • @smshahriar997
    @smshahriar997 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great talks indeed。

  • @cash3052011
    @cash3052011 11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What is the date of this talk?

    • @nimbydimby
      @nimbydimby 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't know the exact date, but he metions that Huntington's book was published last year, so that places the talk in 1997.

    • @averyfollett4005
      @averyfollett4005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1998

  • @geniusofmozart
    @geniusofmozart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It requires very little thought or mental firepower to advance the intellectually lazy claims of people like Huntington and Bernard Lewis. Which is, unfortunately, why this notion, the clash of civilizations, has become so prevalent.

  • @1287n
    @1287n 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the music at the beginning sounded like pink floyd

    • @ItzamnaCuicatl
      @ItzamnaCuicatl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nazeef Mollah its starless from king crimson.

    • @aWorkInProgress11
      @aWorkInProgress11 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's King Crimson's Starless

  • @roberf9600
    @roberf9600 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would anyone happen to know the name of the song at the beginning?

  • @fariedbadjeber-ds6zv
    @fariedbadjeber-ds6zv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    💚💚

  • @christopherdennis4280
    @christopherdennis4280 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome.

  • @motow3031
    @motow3031 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I read Fujiyama brilliant. End of history not so much

  • @BiancaTallarico
    @BiancaTallarico 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Feel like this book as influenced the rise of fascism, theories by Sam Harris, and Jordan Petterson. The book is a basis of racism and islamaphobia.

    • @realMoMoPuFF
      @realMoMoPuFF 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is wrong with Jordan Peterson? Have you read his books? Have you read the Quran? Do you know the history of Islam?
      Do you know what is happening in Europe nowadays? At the borders of Serbia and Hungary/Poland and Belorus?
      Have you ever heard about globalism and their plans, the Georgia Guidestones, the World Economic Forum and the "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." plan for us? I could go on.
      You sound like the MSM in America, using the same words/arguments without real knowledge behind them.

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @realMoMoPuff Here is a short history lesson about something called Colonialism for pathetic ignorant westerns, like yourself, who whitewash Europe's dirty colonial history and spreads lies about the oppressed peoples by your European colonialists and thieves, as if you learn nothing from your racist history and you could not evolve.
      th-cam.com/video/MCv7WYTkImM/w-d-xo.html
      BTW, can you answer to some of your stupid questions? Like, have you read the Quran? Or do you know the history of Islam?
      Have you tried to compare Quran to other religious books? Or you are only an Islamophobic hypocrite?
      Try to look beyond your nose, smarty.

  • @darlingtonejezie3280
    @darlingtonejezie3280 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How do I get the transcript of this lecture?

    • @johnstewart7025
      @johnstewart7025 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The speech was probably collected in a book somewhere.

    • @muneer75
      @muneer75 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is not a precise transcript of this lecture. But he has written a counter column titled " Clash of ignorance" in the foreign affairs. You can have it there.

  • @JUGAopet1
    @JUGAopet1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1997

  • @qualifying2359
    @qualifying2359 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    king crimson intro???! LIKE

  • @thecatratdogshow
    @thecatratdogshow 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Does anyone know when and where this talk was given?

    • @MissMokate
      @MissMokate 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if I heard correctly, he says at the beginning 'the book was published last year' which places this speech somewhere in 1997

  • @DylanMcGonigle
    @DylanMcGonigle 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:22

  • @abooswalehmosafeer173
    @abooswalehmosafeer173 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Netanyahu ,eat your heart.

  • @LCInfantry
    @LCInfantry 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Africa had more cells phones and computers ppl might actually care

  • @simranjeetsingh380
    @simranjeetsingh380 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    gr8 sir

  • @elvansavkli3806
    @elvansavkli3806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    end of fukuyama , really hahahah.

  • @user-btmbangalore
    @user-btmbangalore 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is only one civilization, it is the benign and capable human civilization.
    Any world leader, at one point in time, White at present time, owing to science and series of ethical reformations, will become much noticed by the others. India and to some extent China, had influnce too, a different time in a different world.
    When this big leader falters, they are attacked by opportunists from within and without. India could not find an unity at the right time, it became a diluted culture over the centuries. China though less vulnerable has been mistrusted than trusted by partners and neighbours.
    Will white world or civilization become less relevant? it could. It will require a world relevance, not the race saviour agenda as prime focus. It has right to fail too, it need not be burdened if it feels too challenged. A different people may fulfill the call, global world is inevitable, we will falter, yet the future has been foreconcluded at the very beginning.

  • @prettypurple7175
    @prettypurple7175 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    39:20

  • @michelasdisappointmentanda2304
    @michelasdisappointmentanda2304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This aged so badly

  • @JohnCahillChapel
    @JohnCahillChapel 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I take the position that there is a clash of civilisations, but that it is encouraged, engineered by powers and by the ambition to global power by god knows who.
    St Paul, Eph.6:2 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I take this to be serious intervention and worthy of note for anyone who has faith. I am not so skeptical about the people's i.e., the members of civilisation, mainly the leaders... any power, any authority. Osho said (I paraphrase from memory) If the world could be rid of governments, we would stand a better chance of peace and compassionate co-existence. We can still resist the stereotypes and collectivist energies at the person to person level and to that extent at least not play into the hands of power. It would be helpful if we could see God's compassion for all people... A lot of power based dogma would have to be over come. I was encouraged by the Sikh man in NZ who recently unwound his turban to assist a boy who had been knocked down by a car and was bleeding from the head. God would be pleased.
    I should say that I have not yet been able to listen to this lecture... inconvenient right now.

    • @Wisdomabovegold
      @Wisdomabovegold 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +John Cahill
      Please take the time to read Psalm 82:1-3 & then Psalm 83. What you will learn is that the Oprah/Islam/Papacy mantra that says there is 'only ONE god & many routes (faiths) by which to access him' is a non-biblical LIE. Psalm 82 clearly states that YHWH is one voice pleading for humanity among OTHER gods that are not only MIGHTY, but are clearly the enemies of humankind. Christianity is monotheistic only insofar as it requires a commitment to YHWH alone. WHY? THINK! IF CHRIST IS THE SON OF YHWH, THEN HE CAME TO THIS EARTH ON A SUICIDE MISSION TO HELP HUMANITY! ALLAH IS NOT YHWH. ALLAH IS THE ENEMY OF YHWH & THEREFORE HUMANITY!
      SCENARIO: YOU'RE CONFINED IN A ROOM WITH VARIOUS GODS, EACH CLAIMING TO BE YOUR CREATOR & OFFERING TO UNLOCK THE SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE. EACH PROMISES THE PATH OF GOOD FORTUNE, HEALTH, DOCTRINE OF CONSCIENCE, MISSION & PURPOSE. UNTIL YOU CAN DISCERN WHO IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH I IMPLORE YOU TO KEEP ONE THING IN MIND AT ALL TIMESS--THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE YOU MAKE NO MISTAKE. WHY? THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR & HE'S THE ONLY ONE YOU CAN COUNT ON TO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS CREATION. THIS IS NO TIME TO BE WHIMSICAL & BROAD-MINDED. YOU HAVE REAL & PRESENT ENEMIES. REMEMBER, THE LIE IS ALWAYS PURPOSEFUL. REMEMBER ALSO THAT YOUR INCREDULITY WILL NOT PROTECT YOU.

    • @JohnCahillChapel
      @JohnCahillChapel 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Credulity is an insult to that which we are to trust in, [who] is beyond all conceptual adequacy. Unknowing is just how it is. I am content with that. By the way, I do not think Christ is the son of Yahweh.

  • @eudimion
    @eudimion 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stockholm syndrome afected victim

  • @safaawesam2248
    @safaawesam2248 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's a bog loss 💔💔

  • @sleepinthemorningcalm
    @sleepinthemorningcalm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sam Harris could benefit from listening to this

    • @abumiz
      @abumiz  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't think so, his brain is allergic to common sense that doesn't fit with his Zionist/Yank agenda. The people who could most benefit from listening to this are the decent common people, so they won't be fooled by stupid propagandists like Sam Harris.

  • @richardquayson9158
    @richardquayson9158 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who determines which part of the body is most important or who determines the fate of the world? The "Us and Them" should give way to "Oneness" that would harness our strength together for Peaceful Co-existence as a result of tolerating Divergent Cultures or Views instead of Imposition and Consensus Building instead of Division-ism.
    Modernization and Globalization eventually would bring people together as one people from the same source irrespective of creation or evolution.The Global Village would be of Global Representation where National Interest would give way to Global Interest and Citizens would be proud to be of the Village and not as citizens of their Home Countries.Right of the people should be felt at the World Body where World affairs would not be manipulated by few.

    • @nathaneccleston97
      @nathaneccleston97 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Richard Quayson The cultural logic of globalization is one based upon consumption, not creation, individualism not communitarianism. It brings with it a sort of 'soft nihilism' (Strauss)that destroys meaningful connection found in the value consensus of ones local/national community and instead makes even your closest neighbors, strangers, far from bringing people together, it tears them apart.
      The idea of a 'global culture' is really one of no culture, just pure individualism where everyone is the same, everything is boring. The ones who typically espouse the notion of a 'global community/village' tend to be from the west themselves where consumerist globalization already reigns supreme. And thus already hold the liberal values that underpin the logic of globalization. This is seen most clearly in the justifications for globalization, ie: 'it will end war, it will end poverty, it will end suffering'. Aswell as being blatantly wrong, as the quest for globalization actually will spread more conflict, its also based on a utilitarian thought process whereby suffering is bad and pleasure good. It ignores as Nietzsche noted, how culture can create meaning from suffering and how suffering in itself can be embraced and indeed has been in many instances (the suffering of Christ on the cross was given significant meaning throughout Christendom).
      The utilitarian logic of globalization is ushering in the age of the Nietzsche's 'last man' creating lives of comfort and mediocrity, where the only goal and meaning life has is to consume and be 'happy'...

  • @Andrew-gn9qp
    @Andrew-gn9qp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Conservatism is rooted in civilizational distinctions, for Edward Said to discredit this fundamental political idea is tantamount to rejecting conservatism, which will only result in political polarisation. As people like Edward Said continue to peddle the idea that civilizational distinctions are somehow irrelevant, liberals and conservatives become more polarised, rather than seeking an equilibrium between conservation of civilizational distinctions, and liberty, and security.

  • @GreenwayOo
    @GreenwayOo 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From the "theorician" who said that israel and palestine should both have the right to live at the same place. How deep is that? If he was still alive, he would see that most of his convictions were a mistake.

    • @olisamaduegbuna698
      @olisamaduegbuna698 9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      How is that a mistake? That is the ideal situation where you have a heterogeneous state in which both nations live in harmony. That is the only solution to end the conflict.

    • @GreenwayOo
      @GreenwayOo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Olisa Maduegbuna you must be blind to believe that. The only solution is to get rid of either one or the other, and isreal is doing a good job exterminating the people from palestine

    • @olisamaduegbuna698
      @olisamaduegbuna698 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ***** When the fascists on both sides are marginalised, peace and harmony can reign. Look at post-Apartheid South Africa. Everyone said it was impossible that the Afrikaaners would have a joint state with equal rights for both white and blacks but eventually it happened. Afrikaaner minority rule lasted far longer than the Israeli occupation of Palestine yet eventually peace and harmony reigned.
      I have faith in the next generation, my generation to make things right. The old pessimistic thinking you are expressing will end eventually as the old generation of leaders die off. Today's Palestinian and Israeli youth share relatively no hate towards one another compared to that between today's leaders.

    • @GreenwayOo
      @GreenwayOo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you obviously don'tknow anything about south africa

    • @olisamaduegbuna698
      @olisamaduegbuna698 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ***** You just make vague statements without substantiating them. You have no evidence to back up your claims, you just make silly observations and try and justify them based on your pretentious claim that your arguments are 'obviously' true which they are not.

  • @AhmedTheGass
    @AhmedTheGass 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    37:36