Terrific video! As a previous owner of an SH-5, I’m floored. I guess hell has frozen over and I’ll have to buy my first Behringer. And it’s all your fault! 😂
It's amazing how Behringer time after time manages to recreate the old classics so perfectly. I have 3 Behringers myself (DeepMind12, Neutron and 2600) and I love them! I hope they will continue to make their own creations as well as reviving the old classics. :)
@@PorchBass It does. The Proton came out shortly after I bought it, so I was thinking that I maybe had made a bad choice. But it's absolutely wonderful. And when I patch it into the 2600 I basically have a 5 oscillator synth with LOADS of possibilities.
@@DankePlacethey sound close enough to be perfectly acceptable to most. Some will find them worse, others better than the original. And I’m never really sure of the merit of a direct comparison in sound. The architecture is more interesting surely.
Thanks Jim! I can’t see any reason not to use the Behringer live and keep the SH in the studio. In my experience, few in the audience will know or care, and those that do will probably get why you’d want to keep the vintage safe.
I really enjoy these comparison videos you do. It doesn't actually make any difference, but I really like the round knob sliders on the Roland, the flat sliders on the Behringer aren't ugly, but having the knobs and sliders on the Roland match give it a nice uniform look. Top shelf sir.
So fun putting these side by side. Having just paid $475 yesterday to fix a glitch in my SH-5 and lugged its huge and heavy case to the tech, it’s definitely a beast, so the option of having a pretty close, smaller, lighter, inexpensive version of it in the Behringer at £389 is really a gift. I have both. If I could only have one and didn’t have the patience, budget or other synths to cover for it when it was being repaired, I’d go for the Behringer. If I had the budget, patience and other synths to fill the gap, I’d have the SH-5. Fortunately, I am able to have and enjoy both. Thank you for the side-by-side comparison.
Yes I know what you mean, my old SH 05, which I love, is definitely showing its age and needs work, band pass is not working, and possibly it needs a recap etc. I was also wondering if I should cut my losses and sell it and buy the behringer.
@ since you already have an SH-5 and the Behringer is so inexpensive in comparison, why not grab one and then you can see side-by-side what you think? Then if you find the BS-5 is everything you need, you can let the SH-5 go without remorse, but if you find it does not give you everything you need, you can save yourself having sold that lovely beast and having to find another that might cost even more than you sold yours for. :)
I've had my SH-5 since 96. It could use some service, but I love it to death. Took me a couple of years to find one after seeing it in Future Music in an Eat Static interview.
I disagree with the intro statement - it is just as important to me that the sound is nailed on a more obscure classic synth. Which doesn't mean it can't be a superset of the original.. but if you're paying tribute to a vintage synth then you need to pay tribute to how it sounded But I knew Behringer had done a great job on this one as soon as I saw GStormelectro's video on it.. he made an excellent eurorack module version of the SH5 filter.. and was very impressed with the MS-5. So I've got one under the xmas tree here Cheers for the comparison and Merry Synthmas 🎅
Man, your channel is my go to when it comes to comparisons and reviews. Specifically if it concerns a purchase decision. Your video about the Behringer monopoly made me take the decision while standing in the music shop and I never looked back!!! It was my best pick so far!!! Thanks and much appreciated. Keep going :))))
I'm both a synth guy and I also play that neanderthal instrument, the guitar. What I've noticed is synth people are way, way more obsessive about tone than even the most due hard guitarist. Also, all guitar pedals are basically clones of something, most guitarists don't give a damn! Synth people, myself included are weird!
I remember the original going for about £80 back in the late 80s when everyone was selling there old analogue synths for digital ones especially the korg M1.
In about 90/91 my little brother and I were given a 606 as a toy by a family friend, to add to our Argos special guitar and the Casio MT500 I got for Christmas (he got the drumsticks you plug in and air drum plus the bike he asked for - I wanted a keyboard). I think one of us swapped it or sold it.
I've had my eye on this thing ever since Behringer announced it...I used to have an SH-09, and would like to have that flavor back. Do I need it? No. Damn you, Behringer! And damn YOU, Starsky, for waving it in my face! What's five hundred bucks...right? 😐
I used to own an SH-5 in the 90’s. It had the previous owners name stencilled underneath in huge white letters, and weirdly when I was working at a pro audio retailers he called up asking for pricing on a ProTools rig… not sure which of us was most surprised lol
If you connect the keyboard out to ext in and switch the AR trigger to EXT - it fixes the volume issue on the MS-5. Can't remember who mentioned this in their video. I am loving mine - the square waves are special and the two filters add a special something. Here is an example patch using the ring mod, LFOs and second BPF. th-cam.com/video/PdCohH7ycDE/w-d-xo.html. Also unlike a yoog knoow whoo ladder filter the LPF doesn't lose bass volume with resonance.
Thanks, I tried that and it didn't make much of a difference. I was planning on including it in this, but after trying it I didn't think it was worth it as a half-workaround.
Excellent comparison (great selection of parameters that you A/B'ed), and yeah, I'd say they're pretty damn close. Been fascinated by the SH 5 for a LONG time, so the MS-5 might just be something worth considering. Sadly, my synth cave space needs some MORE space to accommodate this.
Thank you Starky for your videos! Will you come back in that studio where is the PPG of your friend to do a compariaon with Behringer wave that is coming? Or maybe a comparison between 3rd wave and behringer One ?
Between 15:49 and the end of the sync chapter , I ‘m hearing oscillator bleed. Is that from the Behringer? Or is it sound feedback through the microphone?
I think from memory of reading old Future Music magazine article that Eat Static used to use one a lot. Hearin you use it, it's that LPF bandpass filter with resonance that gives it that alien/acidic vibe. So I always tend to think of them as having an acidic / psychedelic sound. They do a mean Reese Bass, for house, garage, jungle and drum n bass. I'd think I'd prefer to have one of these than a 101 style. Because the two oscillators you can detune for Reese, it's got PWM. And it's got an Ext in (can you use this to pipe in a third oscillator before the filters, and set it's level with the mixer? It looks so from the front panel. and the bandpass lets you do talking acidic burbling but also can boost the subs, making it a bass+acid monster. It's a very organic sounding synth, like a more interesting Super 101+303. I actually like the top-end sounding a bit brighter than the SH-5. Easier to EQ something darker, and add maybe a touch of sub boost.
Yeah a few people have mentioned Eat Static. I didn't have enough time to do an Eat Static style track with this, as it's only here for a limited time.
I think too many new bits trying to capture yesteryear is what is wrong with today's offerings. Soon we will have the same same clones of nothing new, how boring will that be?
As much as I love my poly D I think this and a model 15 are going to replace it Looking forward to your wave reviews and comparisons. I'm never going to be able to afford a 3rd wave.
I'd like a summary video. It all gets quite diffuse after a while. Is the Behringer Model D so close that it's as near as dammit? Let's have some cards on the table.. is there a real tangible difference between these copies and the real deal?
I often feel like the difference between the original hardware and emulations, certainly software emulations, start to get bolder when you really dig into the sound design. Start pushing things a bit and you get into the weird and organic territory where things begin to chirp and growl.. I often find that with the software emulations this is where they diverge the most. I'd love to hear more comparisons as you move around in those areas.
No, possibly you’re looking at the headphone oh as you say. It’s a known character of the Behringers, not a surprise, but the difference between ADSR and the others wasn’t expected.
Jumped right to the filter section where you check out the SH-5 bandpass filter (the one in the main VCF). The disappointment in your voice takes me back to when I first heard that bandpass filter. I was coming from the Korg Delta which has one of the best bandpass filter sounds ever and the 5 was so disappointing. I think Maffez already has a bunch of useful mods for these. A modded MS-5 might be pretty good and worth the trouble.
So it’s meant to sound like that? 😂 there’s a big edit in there where I spent 10 minutes messing around with it before I decided it wasn’t really being a band pass! I wish I’d know it was what it was ‘supposed’ to sound like! Aargh.
@@StarskyCarr I think that's just how it sounds. There wasn't much online for them at the time and I was hoping it would sound like an MS-20. Found the thing kind of thin overall but sounded pretty good running through a guitar amp. The other dedicated bandpass filter I was told is not a "real" filter but a fed-back parametric EQ. I don't think Roland quite knew what they were doing yet with the SH-5.
As always with this brand it's all about living the experience from a fraction of the cost. A similar experience but close enough to be worth for the money. Them are low cost quality on the build and not cosmetically durable in my own experience, but still a joy to be able to live the experience reliably.
No - I made a demo of 2 Polysix next to each other. There was a definite difference between 2 of the same synths - more than people often consider ‘wrong’ with remakes, clones and emulations.
If you want to jazz tolex up hot glue gun glue shavings and a warm iron. Boot polish makes it look very clean and is water resistant. Oh and the fruit from a walnut hides table scratches - the oil!
I don’t really have experience with this brand Behringer… it’s fascinating to see what they make and how it sounds. I was attempted to go for an analog synth but the guy from my local store was not very positive … especially about the service and he told me also that there are a lot of technical problems … . To be honest, I love what they create but at the same time, I’m not sure about the quality of the hardware … the fact is… a very low price makes me thinking 🤔. Something with a high quality has always the right price imo. … or maybe I have to change my mind about that 😊… anyway, this one sounds very good and pretty close … great job from Behringer!
The older kit, like mixers in the 90s had quality issues (they were about 30% the price of other stuff). Now, however, they’ve invested £100m or more in new state of the art manufacturing, so the quality is as good or better than more prestigious brands. I’ve had more problems with all others. But because Behringer far outsell the others statistically you may hear about more. They all come with a 3 year warranty. But you’ll probably get a more personal touch from others if you experience difficulties.
You could argue that supporting Behringer takes money away from smaller more innovative companies and might prevent them from doing the R&D necessary to provide true advancements in synthesis and sound design tools. There is always the chance Behringer decides to do some innovation themselves but so far they have just been repackaging existing ideas and products.
@ - buying Behringer synths definitely does not take anything away from small innovative companies. Behringer simply supplies what the market wants most of - clones of old synths at a reasonable price. They’ve developed a few original synths but that’s not their main interest, at the moment anyway. What they do create is an interest in hardware gear that is attainable to virtually anyone. Not just those with deep pockets. Todays Pro800 customer could be tomorrow’s Sequential Circuits customer.
Behringer changed everything for synthheads. I have many of their synths, and they all do what they do very well. I've had no issues with build quality yet, but there has to be a tradeoff for the low price. Time will tell.
Behringer is doing amazing stuff on bringing some of the old synths back at reasonable price. I’m simply not interested enough and the old synths (even the ones I used to play) to be bothered with the clones. Much more interested in the hew stuff.
old synths run hotter use more electric , they sound good as more power to pump full frequency's, synths now are energy efficient and have to meet to compliance standard, more chance of death if you open up a old synth and touch the component's than a new synth
You’re thinking of cathode ray tube tvs. An old synth won’t harm you at all, on the basis that you’re not daft enough to tinker with its gubbins whilst switched on.
@@leftmono1016 when its live that simple analogy instead of going on a deep explanation. Old audio equipment runs hotter and uses more electric . that is a fact . no discrete chips, loads of wires and solder joints you can repair easy . I repaired a 80dstechnics amp this weekend. don't touch the capacitors . old stuff will give you a zap
@boblove2912 Yeah I'm not an electronics engineer, but I do know that I shouldn't touch anything live on those old synths... the hum's enough to send shivers down my spine - not sure how much damage it could do with my circuit breakers, but perhaps those old supplies retain enough juice to do me some serious damage. I'm not sure what it would do to the sound though. Thinking about it - It was the same difference on the Poly D vs my Minimoog - which is a modern 2016 re-issue, so doesn't suffer from old dangerous electronics, but likewise doesn't have the lower volume.
It's not like the Roland uses valves, but I do find modern components may sound different in some circuits. On paper it shouldn't make a difference, yet the ears pick up on it.
Trying to emulate something is always harder than just making a new one. You have to get the same response from different (newer) tech, that still retains the character of the original older tech with lower tolerances etc.
I bought one of the Ms-5's a couple of months ago.Sold it in a week ,it's the usual Behringer 'ersatz' .Built like a German Panzer tank and works like a Russian tank.
@@StarskyCarr Well Starsky , I will try to keep this as brief as poss .Firstly I will say that the niche genre of music I make is power electronics and industrial noise and therefore I do have a love for most things Germanic, including their music and top workmanship. With Behringer it brakes the mould sadly .I do not use a computer in my home studio and like most Behringer hardware - eg the MS-1 etc ,etc,blah, blah ... it's a midi nightmare.I love their pedals and mixers ,but their midi (with no pc) is horrific.When you do have an original and you buy a Behringer clone ,it just doesn't sound quite right . My views are agreed by a couple of synth repair guys local to me ,who have a contract with Uli ,fixing their duff clones.They are always inundated and agree with me regarding Behringer's midi inadequacies and the longevity of their synths. Nice work as usual and have a great xmas.Cheers me dears.Reg.
@regplasma7906 MIDI is MIDI. I've been reliably using it for 40 years...most recently with a few Behringer clones and originals. Not a single problem. So, you bash on Behringer for creating a "MIDI nightmare"? 😂
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Terrific video! As a previous owner of an SH-5, I’m floored. I guess hell has frozen over and I’ll have to buy my first Behringer. And it’s all your fault! 😂
😂😂👹
It's amazing how Behringer time after time manages to recreate the old classics so perfectly. I have 3 Behringers myself (DeepMind12, Neutron and 2600) and I love them! I hope they will continue to make their own creations as well as reviving the old classics. :)
I think the neutron is a modern classic. It has the idiosyncrasies and charm!
@@PorchBass It does. The Proton came out shortly after I bought it, so I was thinking that I maybe had made a bad choice. But it's absolutely wonderful. And when I patch it into the 2600 I basically have a 5 oscillator synth with LOADS of possibilities.
there is so much wrong with this comment. B's clones are not perfect. They sound similar but are not the same.
@@DankePlacethey sound close enough to be perfectly acceptable to most. Some will find them worse, others better than the original.
And I’m never really sure of the merit of a direct comparison in sound. The architecture is more interesting surely.
@@DankePlacecheck out the Model-D video, it was the same
20:57 spot on mate. What a cracking job they’ve done with this. Great comparison video!
Thanks Jim!
I can’t see any reason not to use the Behringer live and keep the SH in the studio. In my experience, few in the audience will know or care, and those that do will probably get why you’d want to keep the vintage safe.
I really enjoy these comparison videos you do. It doesn't actually make any difference, but I really like the round knob sliders on the Roland, the flat sliders on the Behringer aren't ugly, but having the knobs and sliders on the Roland match give it a nice uniform look. Top shelf sir.
I guess they might be slider caps, co someone could 3D print them, and make a decal/top for the silver center.
You can get yourself literally any type of (slider)knob for it.
@@compucorder64 Or just have a look on the web, at some knob-producers....I did and found some.
So fun putting these side by side. Having just paid $475 yesterday to fix a glitch in my SH-5 and lugged its huge and heavy case to the tech, it’s definitely a beast, so the option of having a pretty close, smaller, lighter, inexpensive version of it in the Behringer at £389 is really a gift. I have both. If I could only have one and didn’t have the patience, budget or other synths to cover for it when it was being repaired, I’d go for the Behringer. If I had the budget, patience and other synths to fill the gap, I’d have the SH-5. Fortunately, I am able to have and enjoy both. Thank you for the side-by-side comparison.
Yes I know what you mean, my old SH 05, which I love, is definitely showing its age and needs work, band pass is not working, and possibly it needs a recap etc. I was also wondering if I should cut my losses and sell it and buy the behringer.
@ since you already have an SH-5 and the Behringer is so inexpensive in comparison, why not grab one and then you can see side-by-side what you think? Then if you find the BS-5 is everything you need, you can let the SH-5 go without remorse, but if you find it does not give you everything you need, you can save yourself having sold that lovely beast and having to find another that might cost even more than you sold yours for. :)
Awesome video ❤
Behringer did a amazing job to capture the vibe of SH-5
I think so too.
yes brill video Starsky please do tutorials on the behringer Lm Drum when you get it
I've had my SH-5 since 96. It could use some service, but I love it to death. Took me a couple of years to find one after seeing it in Future Music in an Eat Static interview.
What a really great video. I used to own an SH5. Fabulous synth. Might be tempted to get the Behringer. Thanks so much.
I disagree with the intro statement - it is just as important to me that the sound is nailed on a more obscure classic synth. Which doesn't mean it can't be a superset of the original.. but if you're paying tribute to a vintage synth then you need to pay tribute to how it sounded
But I knew Behringer had done a great job on this one as soon as I saw GStormelectro's video on it.. he made an excellent eurorack module version of the SH5 filter.. and was very impressed with the MS-5. So I've got one under the xmas tree here
Cheers for the comparison and Merry Synthmas 🎅
Man, your channel is my go to when it comes to comparisons and reviews. Specifically if it concerns a purchase decision.
Your video about the Behringer monopoly made me take the decision while standing in the music shop and I never looked back!!!
It was my best pick so far!!!
Thanks and much appreciated.
Keep going :))))
I'm both a synth guy and I also play that neanderthal instrument, the guitar.
What I've noticed is synth people are way, way more obsessive about tone than even the most due hard guitarist.
Also, all guitar pedals are basically clones of something, most guitarists don't give a damn! Synth people, myself included are weird!
🧐😵💫😱🤓
I remember the original going for about £80 back in the late 80s when everyone was selling there old analogue synths for digital ones especially the korg M1.
I sold a sys100 for £100 🤦♂️ .. got more use from the supernova I replaced it with though.
In about 90/91 my little brother and I were given a 606 as a toy by a family friend, to add to our Argos special guitar and the Casio MT500 I got for Christmas (he got the drumsticks you plug in and air drum plus the bike he asked for - I wanted a keyboard). I think one of us swapped it or sold it.
@@StarskyCarrplease do a supernova video
Awesome review, the behringer is so close. I fully agree with your assumption and sey the B is more than enough
I've had my eye on this thing ever since Behringer announced it...I used to have an SH-09, and would like to have that flavor back.
Do I need it? No. Damn you, Behringer!
And damn YOU, Starsky, for waving it in my face!
What's five hundred bucks...right? 😐
😂😂 oops!
I used to own an SH-5 in the 90’s. It had the previous owners name stencilled underneath in huge white letters, and weirdly when I was working at a pro audio retailers he called up asking for pricing on a ProTools rig… not sure which of us was most surprised lol
The one I've been waiting for!!!
If you connect the keyboard out to ext in and switch the AR trigger to EXT - it fixes the volume issue on the MS-5. Can't remember who mentioned this in their video. I am loving mine - the square waves are special and the two filters add a special something. Here is an example patch using the ring mod, LFOs and second BPF. th-cam.com/video/PdCohH7ycDE/w-d-xo.html. Also unlike a yoog knoow whoo ladder filter the LPF doesn't lose bass volume with resonance.
Thanks, I tried that and it didn't make much of a difference. I was planning on including it in this, but after trying it I didn't think it was worth it as a half-workaround.
Can also use the EXT TRIG instead of gate for sequencing, allows the LFOs to be free running (or retriggered via the gate input).
thank you Jim & Starsky!
Excellent comparison (great selection of parameters that you A/B'ed), and yeah, I'd say they're pretty damn close. Been fascinated by the SH 5 for a LONG time, so the MS-5 might just be something worth considering. Sadly, my synth cave space needs some MORE space to accommodate this.
I still own the SH5 AND now the Behringer too (since 2 weeks)....
Thank you Starky for your videos! Will you come back in that studio where is the PPG of your friend to do a compariaon with Behringer wave that is coming? Or maybe a comparison between 3rd wave and behringer One ?
Great work as always Starsky Carr ❤
Thanks
I bought an original SH-5 back in the mid 1980s for AU$400, as I recall. Great fun to play, not so much fun to carry...
Between 15:49 and the end of the sync chapter , I ‘m hearing oscillator bleed. Is that from the Behringer? Or is it sound feedback through the microphone?
No, I thought the same (what does that say about our unconscious bias!) but it’s actually from the Roland.
@ ouff :-)
I think from memory of reading old Future Music magazine article that Eat Static used to use one a lot. Hearin you use it, it's that LPF bandpass filter with resonance that gives it that alien/acidic vibe. So I always tend to think of them as having an acidic / psychedelic sound. They do a mean Reese Bass, for house, garage, jungle and drum n bass. I'd think I'd prefer to have one of these than a 101 style. Because the two oscillators you can detune for Reese, it's got PWM. And it's got an Ext in (can you use this to pipe in a third oscillator before the filters, and set it's level with the mixer? It looks so from the front panel. and the bandpass lets you do talking acidic burbling but also can boost the subs, making it a bass+acid monster. It's a very organic sounding synth, like a more interesting Super 101+303. I actually like the top-end sounding a bit brighter than the SH-5. Easier to EQ something darker, and add maybe a touch of sub boost.
Yeah a few people have mentioned Eat Static. I didn't have enough time to do an Eat Static style track with this, as it's only here for a limited time.
One was made 40
Years too late. History can never be repeated. Nor should anyone try.
Kind of my view precisely
I think too many new bits trying to capture yesteryear is what is wrong with today's offerings.
Soon we will have the same same clones of nothing new, how boring will that be?
As much as I love my poly D I think this and a model 15 are going to replace it
Looking forward to your wave reviews and comparisons. I'm never going to be able to afford a 3rd wave.
That first groove is worth exploring further.
had the sh 5 and just love the mc5
Excellent deepdive into Parametrix :) Lovely clone
I'd like a summary video. It all gets quite diffuse after a while. Is the Behringer Model D so close that it's as near as dammit? Let's have some cards on the table.. is there a real tangible difference between these copies and the real deal?
This is the summary video :)
Starsky has tons of comparison videos.
How much more of a "summary" do you need?
For $250 on Kijiji my Model D is close enough for me. I didn't need the Moog sound enough to pay more than that.
I often feel like the difference between the original hardware and emulations, certainly software emulations, start to get bolder when you really dig into the sound design. Start pushing things a bit and you get into the weird and organic territory where things begin to chirp and growl.. I often find that with the software emulations this is where they diverge the most. I'd love to hear more comparisons as you move around in those areas.
Bless you!
First behringer I actually want
Is the level on the MS-5 down? Looks to me like it is. Unless that's just for the headphones?
No, possibly you’re looking at the headphone oh as you say. It’s a known character of the Behringers, not a surprise, but the difference between ADSR and the others wasn’t expected.
Freddy Fresh loves his MS5. Enough said.
Adjustable pots on the back of MS5 so possible to match ? Same as Behringer monopoly !
Rub a walnut into the table scratches, bob's yer uncle.
haha... nice one thanks.
Killing me, dude.
Jumped right to the filter section where you check out the SH-5 bandpass filter (the one in the main VCF). The disappointment in your voice takes me back to when I first heard that bandpass filter. I was coming from the Korg Delta which has one of the best bandpass filter sounds ever and the 5 was so disappointing. I think Maffez already has a bunch of useful mods for these. A modded MS-5 might be pretty good and worth the trouble.
So it’s meant to sound like that? 😂 there’s a big edit in there where I spent 10 minutes messing around with it before I decided it wasn’t really being a band pass! I wish I’d know it was what it was ‘supposed’ to sound like! Aargh.
@@StarskyCarr I think that's just how it sounds. There wasn't much online for them at the time and I was hoping it would sound like an MS-20. Found the thing kind of thin overall but sounded pretty good running through a guitar amp. The other dedicated bandpass filter I was told is not a "real" filter but a fed-back parametric EQ. I don't think Roland quite knew what they were doing yet with the SH-5.
Anderton's now doing £389.00 , im ordering mine on the 27th..... Wahooooooooo
Good luck there ,it's a tank of Behringer ersatz shite .
As always with this brand it's all about living the experience from a fraction of the cost. A similar experience but close enough to be worth for the money. Them are low cost quality on the build and not cosmetically durable in my own experience, but still a joy to be able to live the experience reliably.
Nice intro track.
Old classics for new masses
15:34 Answer the door Neil
How robust are the controllers?
As good as anything else - plastic shafts, but so are almost every other synth at this price point (and much higher)
21:12 Well, you gonna ring someone then? #DialTone
Merry Christmas.
Thanks and Happy Christmas to you too :)
Do you mean Monopoly when you said comparing your 2 PolySix's ?😊
No - I made a demo of 2 Polysix next to each other. There was a definite difference between 2 of the same synths - more than people often consider ‘wrong’ with remakes, clones and emulations.
@StarskyCarr ok, for a second there I thought I missed a Polysix6 clone. I had better watch that video.
Cheers m8.
If you want to jazz tolex up hot glue gun glue shavings and a warm iron. Boot polish makes it look very clean and is water resistant. Oh and the fruit from a walnut hides table scratches - the oil!
no crackle on the behringer 😢😢
wow thats close enough init
Knobs on the OG are sexier.
I know which one I fancy!
£4000 or £390..! Oooh, I might have to think about that one 😂
sorry what is your point?
@@DankePlace Oh come on, try better than that ffs
@@vimfuego8827 I don't need to *try* I am just holding a mirror up to you.
Have a great day!!!
Main difference seems to be the behringer is in better tune but otherwise not much difference.
looks like the chaps that made the copy missed off a few keys
Yeah it’s the same form factor as the Poly D and Monopoly.
Now for some go old eat static Psytrance
I don’t really have experience with this brand Behringer… it’s fascinating to see what they make and how it sounds. I was attempted to go for an analog synth but the guy from my local store was not very positive … especially about the service and he told me also that there are a lot of technical problems … . To be honest, I love what they create but at the same time, I’m not sure about the quality of the hardware … the fact is… a very low price makes me thinking 🤔. Something with a high quality has always the right price imo. … or maybe I have to change my mind about that 😊… anyway, this one sounds very good and pretty close … great job from Behringer!
The older kit, like mixers in the 90s had quality issues (they were about 30% the price of other stuff). Now, however, they’ve invested £100m or more in new state of the art manufacturing, so the quality is as good or better than more prestigious brands. I’ve had more problems with all others. But because Behringer far outsell the others statistically you may hear about more. They all come with a 3 year warranty. But you’ll probably get a more personal touch from others if you experience difficulties.
young musicians are so lucky for Behringer and we are so lucky for their efforts. Argue me otherwise.
Agreed.
Their XoX clones would still sell bucketloads at twice the price.
The TD3-MO is down to £125, that’s insane value.
You could argue that supporting Behringer takes money away from smaller more innovative companies and might prevent them from doing the R&D necessary to provide true advancements in synthesis and sound design tools. There is always the chance Behringer decides to do some innovation themselves but so far they have just been repackaging existing ideas and products.
I would argue that young musicians use plugins.
@ - buying Behringer synths definitely does not take anything away from small innovative companies.
Behringer simply supplies what the market wants most of - clones of old synths at a reasonable price.
They’ve developed a few original synths but that’s not their main interest, at the moment anyway.
What they do create is an interest in hardware gear that is attainable to virtually anyone. Not just those with deep pockets.
Todays Pro800 customer could be tomorrow’s Sequential Circuits customer.
Behringer changed everything for synthheads. I have many of their synths, and they all do what they do very well.
I've had no issues with build quality yet, but there has to be a tradeoff for the low price. Time will tell.
Behringer is doing amazing stuff on bringing some of the old synths back at reasonable price. I’m simply not interested enough and the old synths (even the ones I used to play) to be bothered with the clones. Much more interested in the hew stuff.
old synths run hotter use more electric , they sound good as more power to pump full frequency's, synths now are energy efficient and have to meet to compliance standard, more chance of death if you open up a old synth and touch the component's than a new synth
Good point.
You’re thinking of cathode ray tube tvs. An old synth won’t harm you at all, on the basis that you’re not daft enough to tinker with its gubbins whilst switched on.
@@leftmono1016 when its live that simple analogy instead of going on a deep explanation. Old audio equipment runs hotter and uses more electric . that is a fact . no discrete chips, loads of wires and solder joints you can repair easy . I repaired a 80dstechnics amp this weekend. don't touch the capacitors . old stuff will give you a zap
@boblove2912 Yeah I'm not an electronics engineer, but I do know that I shouldn't touch anything live on those old synths... the hum's enough to send shivers down my spine - not sure how much damage it could do with my circuit breakers, but perhaps those old supplies retain enough juice to do me some serious damage. I'm not sure what it would do to the sound though. Thinking about it - It was the same difference on the Poly D vs my Minimoog - which is a modern 2016 re-issue, so doesn't suffer from old dangerous electronics, but likewise doesn't have the lower volume.
It's not like the Roland uses valves, but I do find modern components may sound different in some circuits. On paper it shouldn't make a difference, yet the ears pick up on it.
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Not even close Behringer....
its not that hard of a synth to clone right?
Trying to emulate something is always harder than just making a new one. You have to get the same response from different (newer) tech, that still retains the character of the original older tech with lower tolerances etc.
I bought one of the Ms-5's a couple of months ago.Sold it in a week ,it's the usual Behringer 'ersatz' .Built like a German Panzer tank and works like a Russian tank.
what didn't you like about it... genuinely interested :)
@@StarskyCarr Well Starsky , I will try to keep this as brief as poss .Firstly I will say that the niche genre of music I make is power electronics and industrial noise and therefore I do have a love for most things Germanic, including their music and top workmanship. With Behringer it brakes the mould sadly .I do not use a computer in my home studio and like most Behringer hardware - eg the MS-1 etc ,etc,blah, blah ... it's a midi nightmare.I love their pedals and mixers ,but their midi (with no pc) is horrific.When you do have an original and you buy a Behringer clone ,it just doesn't sound quite right . My views are agreed by a couple of synth repair guys local to me ,who have a contract with Uli ,fixing their duff clones.They are always inundated and agree with me regarding Behringer's midi inadequacies and the longevity of their synths. Nice work as usual and have a great xmas.Cheers me dears.Reg.
@regplasma7906 MIDI is MIDI. I've been reliably using it for 40 years...most recently with a few Behringer clones and originals. Not a single problem.
So, you bash on Behringer for creating a "MIDI nightmare"? 😂
It´s the old story with the Behringer recreations.....low output !! Meanwhile any plugin is much cheaper and will do better.