The One Fatal Design Flaw of the 2011-2014 Ford 5.0L Coyote Engines!
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- In this video we show you what the all too common sunken valve issue looks like on the gen 1 Ford 5.0L Coyote Engines. This issue affects all 2011-2013 5.0L Coyotes engines and some of the early build 2014 models as well.
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Anyone doubting this guy is either dumb, drunk, or hasn’t watched FordTechmakuloco long. There’s not an expert I would trust more when it comes to gas powered F-series engines.
Fools are practically receiving unheard wisdom for free, yet have the audacity to voice their biased opinions instead of saying THANK YOU.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
@@FordTechMakuloco bro you have taught me more then anyone else about my truck. You've also saved me more money then any accountant. Thank you for what you do.
Just like you everyone has the right to voice their opinion. It might be a nonsensical opinion but, remember an opinion is not fact. It's a personal assessment of an issue. So please, leave other people be. If that's not too much to ask. Wisenose.
@@FordTechMakuloco Will substituting the 5w20 oil Ford recommends with 5w30 help an engine with over 100K ?
no
That is/was my motor. Thanks again for the excellent work, glad I brought it to you guys, pleasure doing business with you. I was wondering if I would get a video out of it from you.
What was your driving style/load types?
I wish Brian was local to me. My 4.6 has an oil leak somewhere at the rear of the engine that I don't trust my guy to touch.
@@farming4g id like to know also.
You couldn’t have taken it to a Better shop, but I think you already know that !
Great Video, Great presentation !
This channel is an INCREDIBLE SOURCE of information.
The manufacturer hates Brian..but that's OK..he shows us how cheaply built their products are made..thank you Brian ..
I was quoted $5000 and a month for timing chains on a '13 ecoboost. His 4 part series (and the oil pump replacement trick!) got me through every detail of the job!
Took 4 weeks of my free time and a bit over $1200 ("while I'm in there" extras) and now I've learned a bit, got more tools, and have piece of mind for a month's pay less. Man is a wealth of knowledge and a Saint!
Scary world we live in where installing an entire rebuilt engine makes economic sense compared to *just* rebuilding the heads.
it situational if you buy remanufactured heads and turn yours back in, its much much cheaper than paying a machine shop but either way labor is expensive
@@sirjames1983 not questioning the economic reality of the situation, but on the whole it’s still somewhat insane that this is the way things are now. Plus, finding a machine shop these days is difficult. It took me a few days of searching and a forty mile drive just to get a flywheel resurfaced last year. That used to be a common, head down to your local shop, sort of thing.
Anybody remember when your typical gas station could do so much mechanical repairs. All the exhaust pipes and fan belts hanging high up on a wall. Light bulbs, fuses, oil, batteries, etc. near the cash register.
The powers that be want the auto industry to be replaced with electric vehicles that you can't own off of warranty. Cyclical lifespans that turn car ownership into a subscription. They can turn off your car ownership with a click.
@@Wreckerboy Very true, the same as in our area here in Canada, as there use to be a machine shop in every community. They can be found, but it takes more effort and time (driving further afar in ridiculously high traffic) to get the job done, then return, and fight the same traffic back. It all takes patience, and more $$ these days, on top of the already expensive lives we lead.
Ford just bring back the old 300 inline 6
Twin turbo inline 6 from ford would be awesome
And the 7.3 diesel.
But it'll never happen because neither can meet the emissions requirements. Even if they could pull that off, nobody would buy them because they're not competitive in any way against the other manufacturer's offerings. Very few buyers truly care about long term life, they want a pretty car/truck with lots of bells and whistles and a smooth quiet drivetrain. Throw a 300 or 7.3 in any modern vehicle and 99% of people would walk away.
@@DonziGT230 It may make the emissions standard, but the CAFE standards would likely be an issue!
@@Matt-i8r Those old engines won't meet either standard, by a long shot.
Wow - that valve doing an impression of a pizza cutter. Guess the heat treating wasn't up to snuff. Built Ford Tough!
I love Fords, but it's now "Used to be Built Ford Tough" 😭
@@Galfrid - I own a Five Hundred with a CVT and a Focus with the DCT. Needless to say...I agree with you! 😥
Never new Windsor was making valves.
Would be cool to have some Powerstroke content.
As someone who had the misfortune of owning one of the little ecoboost engines, it seems to save themselves from the government bailout / bankruptcy they threw "Built Ford Tough" and "Quality is job #1" out the window. They make nothing but junk today I wouldn't recommend a single of their vehicles to anyone. I bought two Fords new, there will not be a third. My next new vehicle in a couple of years will be either Tesla or an Asian make.
I wish I was 340 miles closer to Brian. He would do 100% of my heavy work. Great work ethics.
You'd probably be money ahead by towing it to him becsuse someone else might miss things that brian doesn't!
Great vid. I have one in my shop now out of a 2013 #6 cylinder valves. I just started seeing this 2 years ago. Before that I would have been one of them guys saying the 5.0 was rock solid besides some leaks.
Still so many out there that dont have any issues. The parts supplier could have a mix
Of good and bad made ones.
Been following you for a long time, great stuff! Former Ford tech, moved into service management, dived for the hills just as fuel injection was coming on but have never been able to chase the gearhead outta me, lol! Work IT now, it's ironic that all of my new skills are transferable too. Had a '13 150, 5.0. cyl 6 started missing intermittently around 100,000, put up with it until 200,000, then it became a daily occurrence... low, rough idle, check wallet light on at every stop. Found cyl 6 had 90# compression, grrrr. Put a tuner on it to raise the idle speed, Torque to kill the check engine light often, and drove it another 100,000 miles. Down a little on power, but I spend most of my time on the highway anyway and it was still just doing it's job. the 5.0 has problems just like any other engine, but this one wasn't giving in. Just traded it for a '24 F150 XLT 5.0. Looking for another 300,000... Thanks for posting, you've saved me a ton of aggravation over the years, and I'm sure for many others too!
Stating that this engine is perfect is like saying humans are perfect lol. Plus, you have the Ford guru spitting facts and showing evidence. Keep killing it brother.
Engineers likely had it perfect, finance snuck into the office after hours and mucked it all up
My 2013 F-150 developed the same compression loss symptoms last spring. Research led me to learn about this exact issue. Symptoms crop up around 100,00 miles. I was at 105,000 when the misfires finally tripped the check engine light. (Idle was extremely rough since I bought the vehicle 4 years prior). One shop wanted to engine swap for $14,000, which I thought was a rip off. Another shop said they could tear it apart, send off to machine the heads and re-assemble with proper valves for just less than half that. Elected to do that, and it turned out extremely well.
Never was a recall or announcement made about this problem from Ford, as it affects all 2011-2013 truck Coyotes engine, but forum posts confirm this affects 2014 models too. Like someone else in the comments said, these are ticking time bombs sadly.
$14k for an engine. What in the world😆
@mph5896. It's not just for an engine. 14k is for the cost of engine plus parts and labor. In the automotive industry cheaper is almost always never the way to go. Thats how 800 dollar jobs turn into 8,000 dollar jobs further down the line.
Ford may put the issue in a TSB for service techs,but don't look for any news release to the public! Add in the mileage when things crop up, and you see why Ford just ignores the issue! It's no longer a warranty repair at 100K unless you have an extended warranty! At this point, the dealer personnel try to blame it on your maintenance and cry not covered under warranty. Now they hope you go for a cash repair! Cha-Ching!
@anthonygallegos3269 Bingo, and when you pay a friend $2000 to do it with a "low mileage" $5000 Craigslist engine... you'll be doing it again very soon
People are so dramatic. All engines will have a “common” failure point. Being something that occurs at a higher percentage rate. Thanks to the internet you have a few guys post on TH-cam or a forum and act like the engine is a “ticking time bomb”. Not at all. This is a fantastic engine. This failure is rare. I saw it twice when I was a dealer tech and the fleet I work for now has a few hundred of these engine and we haven’t had this happen ever. We literally had never done a base engine repair on any Coyote engine until the phaser issue popped up on the newer trucks. Even still, though not minor, that is the only failures we have seen on any of them.
By the way, I can search all that and run these reports through our fleet management software.
As a side note. TH-cam claims the 10R transmissions are garbage. All we have had done is software updates. These are all work trucks too. Often pulling trailers and almost always carrying cargo.
My dad has a 2016 F150 5.0 that almost at end of warranty developed a dead cylinder, ford replaced engine under warranty. Is that common?
More than likely the cylinder bores came out of round or were not perfect from the factory. Could have even been a pinched ring land causing scoring. Many coyotes are susceptible to detonation which is not good for pistons.
Happened to my 2014 f150. Machine shop wasnt bad. Did all the work myself. Got 170k miles now ang going strong
That too funny. I was just diagnosing a cylinder 4 misfires for someone on 2011 5.0 sure enough it low on compression.
Ford probably saved 10 cents per valve using sub par metal.
And lost millions in reliability
@@phillipcooley83they don’t care. They think all they need to do is put batteries and electric motors in their trucks and everything will br OK
Or could be a manufacturer defect. Ford isnt making the valves themselves.
@@georgeburns7251 I'm starting to think the manufacturers are making unreliable gas/diesel engines, on purpose, so customers go with the battery cars! Backroom deals happen all the time between big business and big government!
10 cents times how many million valves is a lot of money.
I wish my teachers in school had been as clear and informative as you, may have learned more. Thank you again for keeping us up to date.
Exact same thing happened to my 2013 F150 5 L motor. 101 thousand miles and check engine came out with PO four misfire. Took it to two different shops and eventually replace the engine as the trucks in great shape otherwise. Just couldn’t stomach spending $75,000 on a new pick up. Thank you so much for this information. I searched the Internet extensively last year and just couldn’t find information like this. Long time subscriber and will always watch your videos.
I wish my 13 was a 15 with the aluminum body. Runs like a champ but the body its suffering. Rust repair at this point is just out of the question. Still looks good but when you pop it on the lift you notice the few rust holes in the rockers.
Damn bud. You just made my stomach drop. Hopefully this is not my issue. I'll be bringing it to you.
I can’t wait to see that video going over all four current generations of 5.0L. I currently own a gen 2 in my Mustang and a gen 4 in my F150 I just bought. The gen 2 I’ve had no issues that weren’t self induced after 96k miles, ie o2 sensor fail from adding headers.
As a old school retired master mechanic,guess they are called technicans now..the shop i worked at did mostly classic cars and trucks just because of the shortcuts, ALL manufacturers were taking,not just Ford. When they started putting quantity over quality, don't be fooled,it was over. Its not just other countries,but the US too. Both my sons work for Ford and they see lack of quality everyday,some of the things they say are sad,Its quantity over quality everyday!People pay alot of money for quantity built crap. I still see some of my old customers at local car shows that still haven't had many problems. Still have my 68 SS Chevelle with 396 muncie 4 speed,that i let my kids drive occasionally,but with me riding shotgun. Best Ford channel on you tube,Thanks Brian.❤ 😊
Newer stuff is actually quite stout compared to old stuff. 1 million 1980 Citations GM produced. Look at that quality put out 45 years ago 🤣
@mph5896 We built cars right back then..With basic maintenance,they would last for many years,and most people could fix their own vehicles. How many 80 citations are on the road today? Probably 3, I'm betting you can't change your own oil, Thank GOD you have a local wal-mart to do it for you.🤭🤣👌
@@thomasbabcock5174 Oh, the insult. 🙄Cars "back then" were built like crap. 100k and the engine was absolutely whooped. Today, I hardly have to go inside many engines for repair (its all external components). Shops are not swapping out engines left and right like the past.
@mph5896 We will have to agree to disagree,but I respect your comment. My experiences are different, though.Too much Chinese plastic,Chinese cheap metals, they are meant to last 5-6years,and the special tools you need to buy,just to use them a few times,no thank you. The manufacturers and engineers don't want people to repair their own vehicles,they want them to take them to a shop,where usually they aren't repaired right.Have a good day. 👍
@@mph5896 "Shops are not swapping out engines left and right like the past" That's when you show how full of it you are.
people hate the truth
This problem gets worse when running E85 gasoline. Don't be cheap. Buy decent fuel.
A mechanic offered me 10 grand for my 2002 f150 4.6 liter. He couldn't believe how well it drove. Almost nothing is tackled on this truck without first referencing this master mechanic. From AC work to changing fluids in the rear axel this is my go to source.His common sense tips are hard to beat. He has saved me thousands and thousand of dollars in labor. Well done sir.
I’m on my second new edge Mustang GT with the 4.6L 2V. Not a power monster but they have been such good engines to me. I’ve driven them both hours and hours non stop higher RPM range and they never skipped a beat. The only caution with a 4.6L that’s almost two decades old now is the timing chain guides get worn and the tensioners bust through them. If you take the oil cap off running and here the chain slapping it’s time to pull the cover before it takes the motor down.
Big shout out to Brian 🎉
Thanks!
2011 5.0 here and mine is intermittent for the last 80K miles just broke 300K🤷🏻♂️
well look on the bright side no carbon build up. lol
Read sarcasm... How dare you say anything bad about a coyote! You should be ashamed! Your not a Ford tech. Your just a chevy guy out there bring Fords name down! How dare you....whats next? All LS 's cant do 2000hp stock? Or perhaps you want to convince us that a 2jz gte isnt good for 3000hp stock? Man u full of it. 🤣
Yeah its sad that you buy a 70k truck, not fully loaded. And you get a crappy shifting 10 speed and a 5.0 that has chain rattle and makes a chunking sound. I still bought a 20 5.0. Love the truck. Though i had great luck with my 5.4 3v 😳. Dead at 283k. And not my fault, it was hers 🙏. 20' is a nice truck. Definitely not worth 70k. But neither is the the 90k ram that will be out soon. After a tune... i cant stop driving it. 3rd gen picks up big power. 13.5 with just a tune. Sure ecoboost will do 12s. Id rather have the coyote though. High mileage 3.5 EB make more noise then a coyote of, lol.
People don’t understand statistics that’s their main problem they think because their engine had no issue that they all must be gold and because a good percentage do have an issue that doesn’t mean they’re all junk either. Some people obviously just didn’t pay attention in math class.
Statistically... Everybody is worse off with a Ferd.
Im at 246k miles on my 12 and still going strong.
It happened to me. 2013 Lariat 65,000 miles. Was an $8,000 fix for new engine.
Manufacturers can't seem to heat treat properly nobody can do anything right anymore
Does seem that way 🤔.
A few bad ones out of millions. It's a problem, but when put in perspective it's not as big of a problem as some make it out to be.
I recently fixed one of these in a 2013 with only 63K miles! Took off the heads and had a machine shop fix them and they could not believe the truck was so low mileage.
Bad heat treat on the valves, supplier level issue.
I have two 2015s but its always surprising how MFGs lack in durability tests
Some people don't believe that there is issues like this that is why the come out of the woodwork you show clear and precise views of what was going on thank you for the information
Gotta love all the commenters on social media swearing a particular engine was flawless. Like the 3800, people claim they are the best engine ever made. I replaced them like crazy 10 years ago. I once had 4 used 3800 engines I picked up from a salvage yard for engine swaps due to rod knocks.
The series 3 was the best of the 3800s. None of that plastic intake rubbish
While the 5.0 is actually pretty good overall, the main issue is people just like to bandwagon whatever they purchased and justify it to anyone who will listen. A lot of times its old people or fudds who insist that "Turbo engines aren't reliable" just because its unfamiliar to them. They usually follow on Facebook just to see the ecoboost issues so they can talk smack on their friends that have one. That's why Brian gets so much hate when he talks about coyote issues, it shatters the reality that these people "chose correctly". Actual technicians know everything can and will break, and most powertrains have SOME flaw in this day and age that will affect some people. That's just life.
@@ice44567 The 5.0 is an all-time great.
Like every other engine though it has some flaws.
Compared to any 2007-up LS/LT with any form of cylinder deactivation the 5.0 has god-tier reliability.
Survival bias. You'll see loads of comments usually about "my is the best vehicle ever made; today's vehicles are junk". No, they were all junk otherwise they would still be around in droves. Oldsmobile made hundreds of thousands of Cutlass cars in the 1970's. Best selling car in the world. When was the last time you've seen one? Chevy Cavalier they made over 225,000 in 1998 alone. Where are they today? In the junkyard crushed for scrap just like everything else.
@@TheRetarp that is because cars have improved since the 70's and many were totalled or rusted away is why many of them were scrapped. Sometimes things get old and worn out and it's not practical to dump a bunch of money into them, especially if parts are no longer made. Better mpg, better safety, less emissions, more features, and more power from newer models pretty much left the older cars in dust. Sure there are survivors, but they are mostly weekend drivers or show cars. I agree, there are some crappy designs out there on all makes and models. Seen some problem cars make it to 300k miles and others have major issues right out of the gate.
Great video man! Hoping thats not the issue with my 2012 137k. Keep making the content! You do a great job!
Sold my failing F150 at 130k miles.. Bought a Ridgeline and never looked back... It tows my travel trailer just fine and gets 15mpg when towing and the F150 got 9mpg when towing......
It’s even happening on some 2015-2017 mustangs as well. Not sure if it was a fluke but I had 2 valve springs break but got lucky the valves didn’t fall into the cylinder.
Ugh! I've got a 2013 5.0 with 139k miles. Imagine my disappointment knowing I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb. How could Ford get that wrong???
Because, FORD
If you have not noticed extremely rough idling by this point, you may have gotten lucky and got the newer valves and won't have a problem. Supposedly, midway through the 2013 model year, they changed to the newer valves. If your build date is after February/ March 2013, you might be safe. Not guaranteed, as 2014 models have had the same problem.
D.. me too. 2012. Didnt know abput this, and I have a light miss on #4 on mine too.😡
Cost-cutting. Over-reliance on their engineer's assurances. Over-trusting parts suppliers assurances. Lack of good quality control guys willing to point problems out.
It’s more common on trucks with a lot of idle hours. It’s always on cylinder 4 and 8 right at the back where there is the most heat build up. So if you actually use your truck and don’t just let it idle all the time, I wouldn’t be too worried.
Just keep driving it.. You can still get to 200k miles like this.. :)
My 2013 has 248,000+ and counting
Looking forward to seeing the episode with every Gen of Coyote
And how many years has Ford been building engines. Do they constantly forget
the lessons learned? Very frustrating.
Fords reputation has gone to crap. I would never buy a ford no matter the price.
Hey Brian how about the 2015-2017 5.0 do they have the same issue? I bearly purchased a 17 5.0 lariat. It is over 100*** plus miles.
We got one in the shop that has a bad intake valve on cylinder 8 customer opted to do a cylinder head. Waiting on the head from ford. Was a pretty easy diag, relative compression test showed it was down . Then leakage test showed intake valve leaking into the intake
My 2015 F150 5.0 has a huge oil leak. Previously had one with the oil filter coming loose, got under front of truck and did a wipe of the filter area with a white cloth and it was dry and clean, so not that this time. Was down in Indy for work, so bought a case of oil and drove home to almost Lake Michigan. Stopped every 40 miles to put a quart in, went thru 6 to get home. Bottom of truck was oil soaked, glad traffic was light and no one was behind me. Will update when I fix as to what the problem was when done, but wondered when you will do the video on my generation problems. Followed you for years before TH-cam on Automotive Forums, my ID was 65Comet.
Remember when Ford used to make reliable products? Yeah me either 😂
@@samholdsworth420 I drove my 93 Ranger for 17 years with no issues.......but that was a Mazda drivetrain.
I need the 5.0 timing chain/phaser replacement video. Haven’t seen or found one if Brian has made one. Is the oil pump gear necessary too? Or just for those guys running superchargers.
@@eliminator1978only when supercharging or like to bounce on rev limiter.
@@samholdsworth420 I've had a bunch of Fords, none of which had any big issues. My current one has 450k miles. It has an oil leak, but that's acceptable to me for the age and mileage.
On the other hand, I have 2012 F150 5.0 with 215000 miles. Nock wood, no issues except the famous tic wich happens randomly since about 60K miles, but Ford say its normal. There even is a TSB about it.
But thanks for the video, alway learning.
Seems like every modern Ford engine is built with a "Fatal Flaw" in the design haha
Please do the video you suggested on the issues found with the different Coyote generation engines, it would be great so can keep an eye out for these issues. Thanks
It's got a 3 angle valve job! What's the issue?
Machine shop thing is no joke. Few and far between for sure. We had 2 local ones near us (30 mile radius). One was in business for a long time, their lead guy ended up buying the business about 10 years ago from the original owner and now just closed this year and retired. The other shop is still open. He used to be one of the lead machinists for the other shop and went solo a couple years before the other place sold to their other employee. He's now a one or two man operation with the old wise guy from the place that closed helping him part time setting up racing engines.
Yeah, its becoming impossible to operate one anymore. Where's the business? Shops just quote used or reman engines now for anything because techs are overworked as it is. The labor $ isn't worth it, so that just leaves DIY project people or race car guys which not every area has enough of to feed a shop. And that's not even getting into the problem of all the knowledgeable people retiring and taking their secrets to the grave, lol. I've heard of so much garbage machine work if you can even find a place.
@@ice44567 The problem is you cant get help !No one wants to learn the trade !THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK !
@@ice44567 yup the business is not really there. No more constant flow of blown up GM, Ford, and Chrylser engines. People wised up and moved on to buying Toyotas and Hondas which have a far lower rate of failure. Heck two the highest volume passenger vehicles in North America so far in 2024 are the Rav 4 (which is arguably the most reliable vehicle ever built) and Tesla Model Y (which since it has no engine will never need machine work!). Where does that leave someone with a machine shop? They better find a niche to specialize in or they will go out of business.
Wow!
That poor guy must have spent a huge amount of money to replace his 5.0 engine!!
I only hope that the Powerboost engine in my 2023 F150 won't fail on me!!!
it will eventually
You're first mistake was buying a 2023...
@@jonpeterson4085 ...fortunately I purchased an extended warranty from Ford when I bought the truck...
My 2012 5.0 just passed 141k miles. Hopefully it’ll give me a few more healthy years!
My 2012 5.0 just past 272k, its been my best F150. I had a 2005 prior but sold it after 180k to a guy at work and he drove it for another 100k.
lol it will
Some people just can’t handle the truth.
Why does it seem the Mustangs never have the problems, its always the F-150??
An interesting question! Not seeing Mustang owners making this complaint here; mainly truck owners complaining. Wondering if there were different components and/or design specs for the Mustang engines, or if those engines are all exactly the same? Perhaps more than one location building the heads or manufacturing those valves? Lots of details that aren't readily available to the regular man on the street. I wonder how many Mustang owners with this engine are up to or over the 100K mile mark on the odometer. Truck owners here are mostly stating mileage in excess of the 100K miles before the valve problem appears!
Thanks for the video. Great videos and great advice. I have a 13 F150 with the 5.0. Absolutely love it. It does have a rough idle when cold though.
Good luck with the Ford reman.
We use about 10 per month at work and normally see 2 fail on average.
We install quite a bit and almost never have a major problem after delivery.
Bought a 2011 F150 5.0 in 2015 @ 68,000 miles. Now @ 90,000. Still runs fine. Any suggestions or recommendation on keeping it going? Also, can you give a rough estimate on the total cost of replacement? replacement
Service the transmission
dont idle it
That's why you always do your compression AND leakdown tests! Right Brian?
Excellent job as usual, thanks for sharing with us
So do the seats in the heads get damaged as well or could i just buy new valves& install em
My question Brian is what did Ford actually do to fix this and How do you know for sure that anything was actually fixed in the Gen 2 motors and forward gen Coyotes?
Well first of all this is an issue from over a decade ago so it would be fixed either way but yes there was a later part number
@@FordTechMakuloco Thanks Brian, Great to see you uploading again. I greatly appreciate all your effort you put into making the vids!
I have a sinking feeling 😢😮…with 300,000 miles. Misfiring and rough idle
Pretty good you made it that far frequencies of oil changes
That's so crazy, i would have never thought they would do that
The 2.3 2.5 Lima had a similar issue, but I believe the seats sunk. There is a seat insert fix.
Just replaced the engine in my 2012 because of this issue. It still ran but now I get 2-4 more MPG with the new engine.
Oh maannnnn…. Why does it have to be another .’common’ issue?! Why can’t it be a ‘rare, unicorn’ issue??!! EVERYTHING is a common issue- are there any ‘common’ positive features to this 3 ton, 14 mpg, somethings always broke, fine Ford machine??!!😖
Holy crap. What a great video, so perfectly explained and shown.
crazy thankfully i’ve never had this issue.
At 548,000 miles
Theres probably more 1st gen 5.0 out there with 300k* miles then there are out there with this issue. I personally think the company that makes the valves had some bad runs or somthing and did not know. Or it could be as stupid as a single shift not making them properly. Theres too many out there that dont have this problem to say its really even a “problem” might you say its luck of the draw. Knowing this id rather buy a 5.0 over the 160k mark. Then you know its good…
What year is your 5.0L and date of ur truck on the sticker please
548,000....guessing it's a 7.3 and not a Coyote.
concave . What is shame and then how many miles to this is do they do this. So 3/4 valve seats were okay
@@cj1613 2012
i dont have the door sticker because it was reskinned due to deer strike
Actually the valve gave, not the seat face… but we know what you mean! Thanks for the truth when the world is full of anything but, many times!
The part of the valve that contacts the seat in the head is called the seat face. So the seat face and or margin gave in which is part of the valve.
I see you are reading comments. Thanks for the best channel on the tube. First class. I took your advice on Penzoil platinum 5 30 and been changing my oil every 5000 miles or so on my 2006 e250 work van with the 5.4. for the last 3 years or so. No ticking runs great 160.000 miles. Thank you.
He definitely reads comments, even on FB. I left a comment recently over there which could have been taken from a snarky pov, but Brain just answered with a question. So i re-phrased and Brain addressed my concern about seemingly conflicting things he had said recently, and he made his stance 100% clear without being a jerk about it. It was a good interaction.
Build engine with faulty parts, make customer pay to fix it like he put the part in. Disgust is real. Wonder if Ford will pay to replace the valves on my extreme low mileage 2011 before this happens......bwahahaha only fooling myself but I can dream
It appears like an inconsistent heat treat issue with the valves. If it were a mixture of metals that they were making the valves out of, all of the valves would be doing that or at least a greater percentage of them. Heat treat and or tempering Fred probably because they're being done in a mass, and the end valves were the one suffering the issue because they were getting a slightly different heat treat than the ones in the middle of the group, or vice versa. The first time I remember clearly running into an issue like this I was doing the bearing races on the Prototype M1 Abrams tank back in the early eighties. And I was finding some that actually had splits on the inside of the bearing races that had been outside and you it was very difficult to see the split with the oxide coating. But you can see it very clearly after I had done the inside grinding to a very tight specification.
I remember that they came to me and told me that I was overheating them as I was cutting them and I opened a brand new box that had just come in and found three of them just in the top layer that had splits in them and handed them to him I said well then how do you explain the fact that they're already split when I get them. They were quenching them at far too high a temperature and it was causing them to actually erupt with splits on the inside and they weren't catching it. After I explained that to them they went back to the people who were making the original forgings.
I did not know about this issue. Thanks for the video! 👍
I would love to see the various differences in the Coyote generations. As well as the differences (if any) between Mustang and F150 Coyotes
The mustang coyote 5.0 is way different then the f150s 5.0. The mustang 5.0 has a slightly higher compression, different head design, the whole front plate of the engine is different as well. While the f150 is drastically held back with power by lower compression different heads and front plate. That's why the mustang 5.0 can rev higher then the f150. If you want too rev too 8500 rpms you might as well just pull the engine out of a wrecked mustang and swap it into the f150.
@@kylebeach2316 Thank You for the informative reply. I am just starting my education on this topic.
This just happened to friend but we’re fixing it
It will cost him $1600 total price , parts , labor, machine shop
Buying all parts from Rockauto parts
Truck is a 4x4 F150 5.0 2013 with 90,000 miles
Been waiting for this video. Five years ago this problem became apparent with 1st gen 5.0 engines in used trucks out of Edmonton and Calgary. Perhaps the cold weather makes the problem worse? Anyway, three F150s in the family have had valve jobs. Its not that difficult or expensive to just fix it with new valves. MUCH cheaper than a new engine.
It always seems to be issues at the back of the engine. If it's not 8, it's 4.
Great video, perfect explaintion of the issue!
I had asked on the FB post you made about this because i had never heard of the issue, but it all makes perfect sense, thank you for bringing this to light!
Hi new subscriber here….. what’s your take on the 2021 ford escape door spot weld break issue? Mine needs a new door goes in Monday. Do you know if the new doors have been redesigned or is this going to be a constant problem? Have you done any?
Anything mechanical can and will fail
Thanks again for the great video
Greetings from Vancouver Island British Columbia Canada 🇨🇦
But soft valves? LOL!!!!
What a joke
@@samholdsworth420 It had high millage so it needs a valve job big deal!
Ferd is just better at it. Especially with their engineering silos. Losers use emojis.
Hey Makuloco, I’m having trouble with an 6.2 gas motor out of ‘15 F250. The motor has roughly 55-60k and the problem I’m having it miss fires, stumbles, and blows white smoke while under load. Then it will clear up a run ok. It has no engine codes and my buddy’s son is a young Ford tech. He has tried looking it over and is stumped at the real cause. With his laptop the power balance test shows cylinder 4 & 7 are low. We compression tested 4 & 7 compared to 2 & 6. The test showed they were all 4 & 7 both 185 while 2 was 195 and 6 was 175. But when we drove it with the laptop hooked up the miss fires were from 5 and 6. The truck could and like it actually is consuming oil. But not 100% at the moment. We did bore scope on the 4 & 7 and didn’t see any issues except for seemingly to much oil. The only other thing we did was to change out all the injectors just in cases. Lastly we popped each valve cover looking for the common broken valve spring… they all seemed ok. Where does that leave we what should I check for? About the only couple things I can think of bad ring, bad valve seals, and bad PCV valve. Please any kind of input would be greatly appreciated! Jeff
I wonder if you could get an inspection camera/scope down inside via the sparkplug hole with a mirror attachment and see the face of the valves enough to see if they had that issue?
Good times. I'm curious if You've seen failures in the new 6.8 v8? I'm a fleet mechanic and we have a 23 f250 at the dealer for engine replacement at under 6k miles, lost compression in 3 cylinders, i won't know what they found till we pick it up.
So could you lap the 2 bad intake valves and get another 10-20K miles out of it? If you did your own work, could be a cheap fix.
Hey I’m wondering if you can give me some advice 2000 grand marquis p1747 manufacture control check engine light it has 192,000. Please thank you.
My 21 year old Toyota has 266K hard miles on it. It runs just like it did the day I bought it new. No special oils or filters. Just a change every 5K and coolant flush every few years. This is why I don't buy Fords anymore. But I'm a Ford guy and I've never seen any bullshit like this from my Gen 1 Lightning. Yeah, back when a Lightning was a proper truck. I haven't seen a single truck I'd replace my 30 year old Lightning with. Not from Ford or anyone else.
FordTechMakuloco, do you know if a person can buy just ReMan replacement heads? I believe I am having this issue with my 2014 F150 on cylinder 8... I plan to do a compression and leak down test on this set of days off. Is it possible to replace just the heads? Or are there other concerns I am not aware of? I'd rather not replace the whole engine if at all possible. Looking for the budget friendliest solution.
Cutting corners when specing hardness for valves, and other components has cost ford lots of respect, even seals have and bearings quality has dropped, not to mention the new electric rack and pinion, was it ploy by ford to bring more work into the dealerships by creating service issues or was it just a serious quality issue? I have flex and it has the poorly designed 3.5 liter v-6 which calls for maintenance now with only 130,000 miles new timing chain and water pump and the electric steer rack and pinion, what a shit show. Sure, I love my flex, but this is ridiculous to spend 3-5K for repairs.. And old beater for Truck 1990 lasted 200,000 K with the old 5.0 0r 5.8 Liter motors.. Two steps forward and three steps back in quality, wtf. They are manufacturing cars to be replaced every 2-4 years now.. What a waste of natural resources........For years you had to stay away from the 3.0-4 liter 4.0 motors because of head bolts issues now this....Should we buy only foreign made cars now by Japanese sources, they are even showing quality issues, I guess that's what happens when your source parts from countries will to mass produce junk..
Haha My 2014 5.0 F150 is in the shop right now with the exact same issue on cylinder #8 (I have 130K miles on it). They could see the cupping with a bore scope. At the moment it is only cylinder #8 that looks bad with the bore scope. The current plan is to send the head off to a machine shop. The shop quoted me 4k to replace only the one head. This one really hurt my feelings. There is likely a Chevy in my future.
Better get an older Chevy, the newer ones are junk.
I am thinking a 2500 with the 6.0
Buy an older toyota 5.7 if you want the most reliability. Stay far far away from gm. I think the crap gm is making nowadays proves people will buy anything. They could make a motor out of aluminum foil and people will still buy what they like the most.
Chevy is actually worse than Ford. The newer they get, the worse off you are. I am mentally tired of pulling front diffs to break down Gm truck engines to repair.
WOW! $ 4K is a big chunk of change for a single head to be done!
Reading thru the comments, I have to ask the question of why is it the back two cylinders of each bank? The valves should theoretically all be the same in the engine. Is it a heat concentration at the rear of the engine? This just doesn't seem right.
I've got a 2013 and only valve that gives a problem is #7 intake valve being burnt twice in a 140,000 miles
What if the valves were replaced before they started to damage the heads, would you be able to replace the valves without sending the heads in to a machine shop for expensive work?
After 125 years of metallurgical knowledge, there’s NO excuse. Honda? Toyota? If they do have a problem it’s fixed asap and the culprit parts are scrapped- not put in the next vehicle on the line. Never learn!
About how common is it? I'm looking at a 2014 F150 but this issue is making me a bit leery of it. do the later 2014 engine have the issue or just the early ones?
I loved my 2011 Mustang GT, but traded it in when it had 36K miles. Glad I did now.
Can you please in a future video delve into the wet belt and cylinder coating. Those two processes kept me from buying a 2024
How disappointing Ford I6 & V8 engines of old would last much longer. I have a pushrod 302 with 230,000 miles and it idles like new. Ford has been building engines for over a hundred years. There is no excuse for these kind of problems.
That is an expensive way to make pizza slicers!
Great video as usual.
Thank you Brian
What is the cost for a long block with all the updated parts? I have a '13 F150 with 191xxx.