My "Political" stances or takes are completely irrelevant. The PROBLEM with a huge portion of the gaming discourse right now is over culture war nonsense, not the exploration into games and whether they stand on their merit via engaging systems and mechanics. This video was because I believe too many get lost in the weeds BECAUSE of this political/culture war grifting, and not examining the merits of the EM8ER crowdfunding project and it's lack of delivery and transparency. Cyberpunk 2077 video next. Est delivery 2046.
"culture war nonsense" yeah devs shoving egregious amounts of political propaganda into their games now is just nonsense. Totally not something anyone should care about.
@@TheUltimegaMan We're talking about a man pulling a scam game that's "the day before" levels of scummy and all you can say is "trump 2028" to try and...what..."trigger" me? Absolute vapid brainrot from both sides of the isle, lmao.
Y'know what, I can vibe with that. I appreciate that you push aside all the "woke this, DEI that" tweets that he made, and focused on the most important part of Grummz, the fact that he is basically making a huge scam of a game and should be called out for it.
@ Elon is crazy because hes the ceo of 3 companies but still somehow finds the time to tweet 70 times a day. I have a normal ass job and I’m barely as online as him
The internet has genuinely made it possible where if you jingle keys infront of the right crowd you can get enough idiots to blindy pay your bills and also spout off copious amounts of nonsense without anyone even giving it a second thought
@@fulcrum6760 god and the grummz simps are the exact audience that would fall for that too. even though yanderedev is infamously grummz level lazy on steroids at this point.
What makes it worse is that its not only those big podcasts, but also content creators like Asmongold promote him and support his narratives and help him attract supporters and backers by not calling him out or criticising anything. Some people are okay with him being a scammer because "he makes woke people mad, so he is based".
I have to wonder. Does he though? Because so far it seems he is more efficient at making the people who want to play his game mad And making himself mad by shadowing boxing and losing said shadowboxing match
@elvingearmasterirma7241 Unfortunately, it doesn't matter to Culture War conscripts whether or not their opposition actually gives a flying fuck about what they're doing. I've seen some of these grifters screencap jabs a preschooler would say made by literal nobodies with 0 likes and then claim they're being persecuted by some big nebuolous group in order to rally their troops, and it works every time. I wouldn't be surprised if these influencers use alts or are secretly connected with ones on the opposite side so they can manufacture conflict.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 That's the thing: the shadowboxing is the product. The "game" is only there so he can say he's a game developer to lend fake authority to his tweets. At this point the people who give him money can't be doing it because they expect an actual game, they only do it because they want him to virtue signal their "values" on Xitter.
Oh, so that explains why he is so hard into culture war BS. Cause he could've made an anti-woke game years ago, but he can't! Not because he is cancelled or censored, but because of a skill issue, lmao.
When studying Grummz's Blizzard history, it's also important to know that the actual development of the game took place at Blizzard North, a subdivision formed by a buyout of Diablo's original developer. Any production he did on Diable II would likely have been related to publishing duties.
Development of what?.... WOW was conceived by Irvine devs in 1999 and announced to us Forum users in 2000 as a replacement for Warcraft Adventures. A ton of us were heartbroken because the exact phrasing was that those Devs just wanted their own Everquest but with Orcs. We didn't want an EQ clone. Kern worked mostly on the mainstreaming ideas that Vivendi wanted for extra cash generation. He basically just copied the homework of SOE's head pres John Smedley
This is now the third video I watch on grumz and his crowdfunded game. I'm honestly surprised he still has so many supporters who dont even question him about their own money.
his supporters probably dont care about his game because they never heard of him prio to his antics during Firefall and his crowdfunding project. All these supporters care about is how he's fighting the woke and is for the gamers.
Why are people so willing to support somebody just because they share a couple of common opinions? That's not a reliable marker of trustworthiness in my experience...
Hilarious! Voxelnauts was a project started from an old friend of mine. Grummz poached the main coder right out from under him, stole the code, and then proceeded to throw the entire project into the kiln.
Ahh grummmz the scammer, most of his co host in the anti woke war room like asmongold aren't calling him up on this despite him calling out these scams before lmao but noooo it's grummz this time we can't
Imagine being so bad of a game dev that freaking Yandere dev accomplish more half the time than you in 8 years, that’s who grummz is and I’m glad more people are calling his BS grift
I miss when the most I knew about EM-8ER was the CuteSexyRobutts art for it. Now it feels like an insult to their art that it's associated with this. This shit's on the level of The Day Before or Yandere Sim. Hell, I bet Alex Mahan or FNTastic are kicking themselves for not putting up a culture war smoke screen to defend their dogass games. Like, you have all these people who constantly talk about how they're consumer advocates go quiet as the grave when a clear definitive example of taking consumers for a ride is present, because it's their mate. What am I meant to take from that besides spineless hypocrisy on their part? They're no different than the journos they hate.
And also that Weird Al Yankovic with Charlie's Angels video that made absolutely no sense and didn't sound anything like Weird Al. (I forget what it's called but a little google-Fu could probably locate it if terms like "the-9" were included)
There is something darkly hilarious about antiwoke idiots defending this guy who embodies issues plaguing the gaming industry while crying about how DEI is killing gaming
Lol, some folks in the comments arr saying this is trash because "he didn't come on your podcast". Okay and? Thats all grummz does, goes on podcasts for clout. Did they even watch the video???
It’s about damn time people got tired of Grummz, these scams are so easy to spot but getting people to acknowledge it’s a scam or hold the scammer to it is basically impossible. Just gotta wait until they make enough unforced errors that the problem becomes impossible to ignore.
Fun fact about Ginger Prine btw, much like Grummz, he's VERY heavily disliked in the FFXIV community because of how he tried to demonize the whole community for some arguments he got into on Twitter or something. He wasn't disliked initially for this, in fact, he got support from much of the community. After his departure from the game to play New World however, he decided to continuously take jabs at the FFXIV community, which led to him being hated heavily as a result. This was during the Endwalker era, and he's recently tried to make a comeback in FFXIV content but the community is always there to remind him that he won't be receiving a warm welcome back due to his past actions. I also believe Ginger Prime was kicked out of a podcast about FFXIV as well because people who actually played the game quickly caught on that the stuff he was saying about the game made no sense. Him having Grummz on stream has further damaged his reputation in the community since Grummz himself tried to weaponize the community because of Wuk Lamat's VA (who's trans). The community collectively told him to piss off and take his culture war crap elsewhere.
Basically. Much like any game, XIV has a cadre of terminally-online superfans, mostly on Twitter, who react violently to any criticism of the game. Now, I think a lot of Ginger's takes are hogwash that don't align with the game's identity, but I'm not going to attack the man for it. One take I seem to recall was him thinking Ultimate weapons should be gated through a relic style gear grind, which completely destroys the identity of Ultimate Raids. Anyways, he got into arguments with the XIV Defense Force (they do exist and are insufferable, but are also ignorable) and played the victim, goading them while chest beating on about how he WOULD NOT BE SILENCED and he was FIGHTING CANCEL CULTURE while dropping weird cryptic rambling videos about how he WASN'T MAD AT ALL, IN FACT HE WAS TROLLING THEM. And that's when the fanbase effectively said "good luck" and dropped him like a bad habit. Also, his controller guides were terrible. A friend asked me for a controller setup and because Ginger Prime/W2G was the only name I had ever heard of with regards to controller layouts, I sent them his way. Two days later I'm playing with that friend and wondering why he's not using key abilities for the job he was playing and he said he set it up like the video said. Upon watching it, I think anyone copying GP's controller layouts would struggle to clear an extreme, much less a savage or ultimate.
Despite grifters like Grummz once in a blue moon address legitimate criticism about the game industry they throw that to the side and paint the main issue on culture war so instead of pointing out how a game like Spider-Man two having a budget of supposedly $200 million being ridiculous and unhealthy they're spending more time bitching about a side quest about Miles helping a deaf person of color in his community as the bigger issue
Grummz: Picks a fight with X game which gets parroted by countless people not bothered with his claims legitimacy Players of X game: Gets pissed at him for lying about their game Grummz: Claims he is being targetted and to give him money in support Repeat constantly, burning more bridges with each time
I always had a feeling grummz wasn't the type of guy alot of people viewed him as when I learned he was the same guy behind the fire fall fiasco(I heard about years before most people even knew who he was)
If anyone in this comment section wants a LOT more on this guy and the stuff around him, a youtuber named shaun made a huge video called "Stellar blade: the fake outrage" where grummz plays a large role. Also shaun is just awesome.
I took one glamce at Grummz and i knew he was scummy and a grifter. I wonder why... (spoiler:) Spoiler: all 'content' creators that live off drama and getting mad over media- in general, but even worse the 'anti-woke'- are bad news. Its the nature of the grind, pure and simple- they found ther niche in a exploit. Its human nature to be drawn to drama... once they start going that way and getting those clicks its a slippery slope, and then everything must be a target. It all devolves in bait titles, trying to look at everything negativelly.... it ends up being criticism that mentions flaws to overblowing any possible flaw, everything being blown out of proportion, rushing to claim as fact any rumour (sometimes all it takes is one random comment saying X and theyre acting like that was a leak) - its insane This apply to every drama grifter, not just anti-woke (those are just extra overt and on the nose)- and theyre all bad news because its a redflag tell of their morals. They know theyre living off a machine that only needs smoke to scream fire and the clicks, likes, watchtime etc explodes. They consciously indulge in that and very aware theyre playing smoke and mirrors to feed a fanbase hungry for more drama, that kind of content can be addicting. Its baffling im still seeing this idiot being mentioned. Dont people ever realize? They drink the kool aid that much?
Yeah your right on the mark. I’m on the anti woke side and I do think it’s better to have these outrage/drama farmers than not, I still completely agree. I can really only name people on my hand who is in this space but they make meaningful content and don’t farm outrage. Internet aristocrat was the founder of gamergate and he basically prophesied con men and swindlers who will try to make buck off of a large following of gamers mad at the gaming and media industries (though it was sorta already happening back then it just wasn’t as bad).
@ No and I really don’t care. It was months ago I’m not going to remember the specific words said to hunt down an old post on tXitter or who the names were he was rallying to be harassed. I just know when I saw him doing it for a couple days it bothered me. I’m not going to just make something up as a reason. If I don’t like somebody that’s good enough reason and I would say that was the reason if that was all. I explained the reason. If you disagree that is totally fine
@@blewidescorpio Hard for me to believe you when you don't give a specific example. I get calling him a grifter (it's debetable if u ask me but whatever), but labeling him as a harasser feels very hyperbolic. If anything I've seen people harassing grummz, putting bounties on his head and wishing him to die.
I knew Grummz was bad, but damn… that hole just keep going deeper and deeper. Hopefully more folks will realize what bad news he is and just distance from him.
I started to dislike him because of the culture war bs he was spouting on the site formerly known as twitter. But it's nice to see people see that he's a regular scumbag too, because I don't want anyone to get scammed, even if they disagree with me.
I often saw this Grummz guy on podcasts and wondered who he was. He never really came across as someone knowledgeable, and certainly not as a game developer. But, now I know.
As someone who played the Firefall closed beta and has been very familiar with Mark Kern for a long time now, it's always fun to see people go from thinking he has so much game dev cred to realize that he's actually a complete moron talking out his ass and takes no accountability for his own failures.
us old school FireFall fans could tell you oodles about Mr. Kern. But unfortunately, almost NO ONE is interested in FireFall despite it being technically the **only* MMORPG that both Extra Credits and Yahtzee Croshaw ever gave overall positive reviews on
Speaking as a dev, just the tenure at Blizzard section. It's not enough to just go through current roles for those job listings as they are now. When you're working at a smaller company, especially since this was presumably during the 90s and 00s, you will often wear many hats and roles and responsibilities are interchangeable. This was also the case especially in the 80s, 90s and 00s for most game companies with much smaller teams and budgets.
Going through the standard stock duties and responsibilities is the baseline. Showing how glass door reviews at Red5 studios, saying he would be absent as CEO for days/weeks/months at a time, scream at the employees to “start over”, and will be back in a couple of days to see weeks of work completely redone? Yeah that’s the nail in the coffin to me that he was nothing but clueless middle management at the company. Then you see that he had zero previous computing/programming related quals before going into Blizzard. Then, after a year of his “Tsi-Hu” enemy NPC rework? It was just implementing textures. That’s it. McDizzle stream the most recent build since April 2024s drop that came out about a week ago. It’s EXACTLY the same with just a re- texture on the Halo Jackals rip off. It’s not looking good.
@@Nasmr1 Have you looked into Kern's behavior during the Blitzchung debacle with Blizzard? I'm working off memory here, but from what I remember, he used Blizzard's horrible mishandling of the situation in order to grandstand a fabricated story about him being ousted from Red5 because he was unwilling to take a "Chinese bribe". Keep in mind Red5 had no problems with having a studio in Shanghai even before (timeline a bit hazy) getting funding from The9 (chinese company).
There are people who will forgive Grummz who has never delivered on anything but refuse to forvice Hello Games who would go on to come through and some on NMS.
@@GazingTrandoshan It's always been like this... the year 2015 when GG popped off, there was already a massive Xbox/Halo PAYOLA scandal popping off, but the conservatives behind the movement turned the blindest of eyes towards it which later bit them square in the ass when triple-A ended up being the actual final boss of the DEI development PONZI scheme that we always knew it would become
I don't know anything about this developer or the firefall games or any of their spiritual successors outside of what you presented in the video, but I felt I was able to understand quite a bit by the end of it. You presented the information really well to someone who isn't familiar with the games or developer, and your editing was visually quite clean and audio quality was great. I especially liked the pop sound effect you had in the begining with your images, it paired really well. Zoomer brain/attention span joke also gave me a giggle. Great job with this video :) I agree with your pinned comment but I would like to add my own perspective on what you touch upon. Art can and to some degree should be judged by the political, ethical and philosophical perspectives it supports, attacks, has a dialogue on, etc, because that does have an effect on what people end up believing and acting upon in the real world, while the beliefs themselves can often bleed into the quality of the art. Art is after all a reflection of the Artist. That being said it cannot be the only way we measure and judge a piece of art, especially where it is done in a subtle and apropriate way that allows you to appreciate the art beyond any sort of politics, ethics or values that are a part of the art, and even more so when the artwork itself is not intentionally "political". Art can have many dimensions to it which are worth examining and appreciating, video games especially. Now where to draw the line on what you can look past is going to depend on each person's comfort zone, which thankfully they can decide for themselves with what they choose to purchase, support and critique. You're more than correct that a large part of the discussion around video games, if not almost all of it, needs to be focused on the mechanics and gameplay, and increasingly people have shifted to the "politics" of the video game being the primary defense/attack instead of the mechanics, while grifters have played no small part in moving the dialogue there, corporate shills are often happy to have it that way too. I'm excited to see your future cyberpunk video! Keep it up :)
For me it was three simple strokes that showed me who Grummz was: - Strike 1: Learning about the Em8er situation and just how deep that rabbit hold goes. - Strike 2: Trying to mobilize the Gen2 anti-woke commentator circles on Monster Hunter Wilds (bad idea to go after Capcom fans in general) - Strike 3: That embarrassing bait posing as a leaked NDA for Veilguard that he tried to promote and smear Last Stand Media with. There’s plenty of legitimate reasons to properly call Grummz a grifter. Simply pick your favorite three.
To Call Mark Kern a Grifter would be an understatement. Considering his past history as a manager in red 5 and blizzard along with "failed father" status, Mark Kern is a pure narcissist who seems to have a fetish for making life hell for everyone around him. When everyone threw Mark under the proverbal bus, he went to anti-woke grifting while fetishizing loli porn. This man is the John K of gaming.
@@joanboring26 the thing is, that outrage was completely manufactured, in a previous trailer they showed a conventionally attractive woman as well ; the whole thing just proved grummz was trying to get clout by talking about a popular game while knowing nothing about it
13:00 When No Mans Sky played the fiddle, eventually Sean pulled his boot straps up and go to fucking work. When Em8er played the fiddle, eventually Grummz wrote to twitter how game development is hard and he needs more time (and more importantly, money!) to finish the game!
I never realized that Grummz was the one who bought the FireFall bus. I am surprised people don't bring that up more often or that I haven't heard anybody bring it up until now.
I foolishly bought into this to the tune of $2,000 + monthly subscriptions for years. Even hooked Mark up with a Redeemer upgrade for Star Citizen so he could play with his kids or something, I forget exactly what the reasoning was. After giving up on it, leaving the Discord and hindsight being 20/20, I have no idea how I kept supporting the scam for so long. This game will never exist, plain and simple. The best thing anyone paying into this scam can hope for at this point is a monthly art commission that will never get modeled. And Mark hasn't even been able to keep up with those consistently. Other, smarter backers left far earlier than I did. Anyone in the discord long enough will have heard of torgue or maven, both huge supporters who paid a lot into it at the time, gone to the winds like so many others that paid less and left silently. Wonder if they still have any "$1 maven gifts" to give out. At least with Star Citizen most of the money went to the actual game and most of my .jpgs have been modeled and implemented into said game.
It's good he's no longer in AAA because managerial parasites are why AAA gaming is soo bloated and failing. It seems he hasn't worked a honest job since blizzard... damn that was 20 years ago.
I followed ember's development early on and joined their discord when that was a thing, and the only thing i remember is someone rping as mr torgue from borderlands 2, talking to everyone in allcaps i know about the mr torgue guy more than the game itself
Sounds about right, incompetent middle manager gets out of his depth, turns into a total cawnt, and becomes an active detriment to the company. Ys hates to see it
I've not heard much around him! I've watched videos in the past and know he dropped a "we need to talk about grummz" video that, in my opinion, got a little too sidetracked with comparisons to anita sarkeesian and rants about the culture war.
@@DraKaiDragonEmperor I get what he was trying to do. I feel people got way too combative he was calling out Grummz. You know it's bad when he wasn't feeding them anymore. I'm sorry but he was right about team sports politics. I commend him for not bending the knee.
@@Nasmr1 When it comes to Grummz, bringing up comparison to Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn is "I don't want a solution. I want to be ANGRY" at best, and "actively distracting from any productive discussion" at worst.
@KazeShikamaru That's stupid. By that logic, you commend Grummz by not taking the knee to "wokies". Don't bs with me. He already fed them long after, they've started blatantly spewing bs, so it's for himself.
I didn’t even know he was working on a game 😂 I just saw him posting 24/7 on Twitter with pretty basic bitch culture war takes. More people need to see this !
A very busy man doing busy work like working on his game for around 8 years. He was also very busy working on FireFall a game announced as this big Sci-Fi co-op MMO where players work together to push back an invading alien force and retake Earth... Only for the studio to be busy making the game the next big E-Sports class based shooter during the entire Beta and barely working on the original vision for the game, but hey atleast we got a marketing bus out of it...
I was an early access backer for firefall. The Em8er gameplay looks EXACTLY the same. The terrain design triggers my dejavu so much, Grummz just loves semi-tropical arid jungle lol
The developer of Avalanche Software Troy Leavitt is an anti-woke guy but, while he was doing that he was also working on Hogwarts Legacy. The best selling game of 2023 with 30 millions copies sold. It's almost like someone is actually doing it's job instead of being a keyboard fighter.
I just want to point out that "stakeholder" essentially means anyone who has an interest in the product coming out good/profitable. so, that'd include the team that's working on the project, investors, executives, as well as customers. a half-decent producer will have at least a high-level understanding of the way all of these groups (and subgroups within them) function and think even if they don't necessarily have the experience and low-level knowledge to do some of the jobs themselves.
i just thought he was a disgruntled ex-developer complaining on social media to grift any topical issue..... until i learned he was scamming his followers with the promise of a 'game'. then it got funnier / sadder. I fully expect his fans to turn on him in the future. Im sure hes gonna do some dumb shit like censor his own game* * this assuming the game is even real and will even be in a playable state within the next decade 😂
I am confused. On the one hand I found this video informative and filled with big funny memery. On the other I was not told to lik, commen' and subscrib and therefore have no idea where to go from here! Delicious Detectiveering tho
My "Political" stances or takes are completely irrelevant.
The PROBLEM with a huge portion of the gaming discourse right now is over culture war nonsense, not the exploration into games and whether they stand on their merit via engaging systems and mechanics.
This video was because I believe too many get lost in the weeds BECAUSE of this political/culture war grifting, and not examining the merits of the EM8ER crowdfunding project and it's lack of delivery and transparency.
Cyberpunk 2077 video next. Est delivery 2046.
"culture war nonsense" yeah devs shoving egregious amounts of political propaganda into their games now is just nonsense. Totally not something anyone should care about.
@@Ruairoquai The only matter I do not take seriously, boy, is you. Your politics bore me. Your demeanor is that of a pouty child.
@@Nasmr1Trump 2028 then.
@@TheUltimegaMan We're talking about a man pulling a scam game that's "the day before" levels of scummy and all you can say is "trump 2028" to try and...what..."trigger" me?
Absolute vapid brainrot from both sides of the isle, lmao.
Y'know what, I can vibe with that. I appreciate that you push aside all the "woke this, DEI that" tweets that he made, and focused on the most important part of Grummz, the fact that he is basically making a huge scam of a game and should be called out for it.
grummz clocking into another hard day of tweeting instead of working on his “game”
Welcome back, Yandere Dev.
@seacatlol831 "Those darn ema-I mean wokies are getting in the way of my valuable development time!"
It works for Elon right?
@ Elon is crazy because hes the ceo of 3 companies but still somehow finds the time to tweet 70 times a day. I have a normal ass job and I’m barely as online as him
@seacatlol831 That's an insult to Yandere Dev.
The internet has genuinely made it possible where if you jingle keys infront of the right crowd you can get enough idiots to blindy pay your bills and also spout off copious amounts of nonsense without anyone even giving it a second thought
Elon Musk is the perfect example of this, he somehow convinced the conservatives to simp for electric cars.
Star Citizen is the worst example.
Yanderedev is now thinking of a comeback through this isn’t he?
@@fulcrum6760 god and the grummz simps are the exact audience that would fall for that too. even though yanderedev is infamously grummz level lazy on steroids at this point.
@@mayayamato7351 Yet Grummz gets defended by his simps while Yanderedev is essentially an outcast.
What makes it worse is that its not only those big podcasts, but also content creators like Asmongold promote him and support his narratives and help him attract supporters and backers by not calling him out or criticising anything. Some people are okay with him being a scammer because "he makes woke people mad, so he is based".
Oh fuck he does??
I have to wonder. Does he though?
Because so far it seems he is more efficient at making the people who want to play his game mad
And making himself mad by shadowing boxing and losing said shadowboxing match
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 his main income is from twitter, so he is getting what he wants - attention and engagement.
@elvingearmasterirma7241 Unfortunately, it doesn't matter to Culture War conscripts whether or not their opposition actually gives a flying fuck about what they're doing. I've seen some of these grifters screencap jabs a preschooler would say made by literal nobodies with 0 likes and then claim they're being persecuted by some big nebuolous group in order to rally their troops, and it works every time. I wouldn't be surprised if these influencers use alts or are secretly connected with ones on the opposite side so they can manufacture conflict.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 That's the thing: the shadowboxing is the product. The "game" is only there so he can say he's a game developer to lend fake authority to his tweets. At this point the people who give him money can't be doing it because they expect an actual game, they only do it because they want him to virtue signal their "values" on Xitter.
Oh, so that explains why he is so hard into culture war BS. Cause he could've made an anti-woke game years ago, but he can't! Not because he is cancelled or censored, but because of a skill issue, lmao.
he wudv had skill "issues" if he ever had any skills (to begin with)
When studying Grummz's Blizzard history, it's also important to know that the actual development of the game took place at Blizzard North, a subdivision formed by a buyout of Diablo's original developer. Any production he did on Diable II would likely have been related to publishing duties.
Diable lmao
Development of what?.... WOW was conceived by Irvine devs in 1999 and announced to us Forum users in 2000 as a replacement for Warcraft Adventures. A ton of us were heartbroken because the exact phrasing was that those Devs just wanted their own Everquest but with Orcs. We didn't want an EQ clone. Kern worked mostly on the mainstreaming ideas that Vivendi wanted for extra cash generation. He basically just copied the homework of SOE's head pres John Smedley
@@iller3 sorry i forgot to add "diablo 2" lmao but thank you for the info
It’s also worth noting that he’s not actually credited for StarCraft, only for StarCraft 64, a largely forgotten console port
He is 56 years old btw. Keep that in my any time you see him post something anime/hentai related
"He would shout and scream his perspectives" Yeah, sounds about right.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
This is now the third video I watch on grumz and his crowdfunded game. I'm honestly surprised he still has so many supporters who dont even question him about their own money.
his supporters probably dont care about his game because they never heard of him prio to his antics during Firefall and his crowdfunding project. All these supporters care about is how he's fighting the woke and is for the gamers.
A fool and his money are soon parted...
Oh how our standards changed. Broken Age got hot water just because the title had to be split into parts to cover expenses.
somehow it's pretty common for these crowdfunded disasters to go on for years with people still holding out hope. Sunken cost fallacy maybe?
The Anti-w0ke propaganda is too strong for these brainrot people
Why are people so willing to support somebody just because they share a couple of common opinions? That's not a reliable marker of trustworthiness in my experience...
that's internet in a nutshell
Hilarious! Voxelnauts was a project started from an old friend of mine. Grummz poached the main coder right out from under him, stole the code, and then proceeded to throw the entire project into the kiln.
Ahh grummmz the scammer, most of his co host in the anti woke war room like asmongold aren't calling him up on this despite him calling out these scams before lmao but noooo it's grummz this time we can't
Funny thing is, a good number of his supporters probably don't know he is currently working on a game/scam.
Imagine being so bad of a game dev that freaking Yandere dev accomplish more half the time than you in 8 years, that’s who grummz is and I’m glad more people are calling his BS grift
I miss when the most I knew about EM-8ER was the CuteSexyRobutts art for it. Now it feels like an insult to their art that it's associated with this. This shit's on the level of The Day Before or Yandere Sim. Hell, I bet Alex Mahan or FNTastic are kicking themselves for not putting up a culture war smoke screen to defend their dogass games. Like, you have all these people who constantly talk about how they're consumer advocates go quiet as the grave when a clear definitive example of taking consumers for a ride is present, because it's their mate. What am I meant to take from that besides spineless hypocrisy on their part? They're no different than the journos they hate.
It's pretty convenient too. If (when) the game inevitably doesn't come out, he can blame it on the woke mob or other convenient scapegoat.
Wait-wait-wait, Grummz was behind the Freefall bus? Oooh-man!
57 year old divorced dad lol
And also that Weird Al Yankovic with Charlie's Angels video that made absolutely no sense and didn't sound anything like Weird Al. (I forget what it's called but a little google-Fu could probably locate it if terms like "the-9" were included)
@@MillVillage And Deadbeat one in that.
As someone who only knows Grummz from recent X-capades, this is all useful to hear
There is something darkly hilarious about antiwoke idiots defending this guy who embodies issues plaguing the gaming industry while crying about how DEI is killing gaming
Lol, some folks in the comments arr saying this is trash because "he didn't come on your podcast".
Okay and? Thats all grummz does, goes on podcasts for clout. Did they even watch the video???
It’s about damn time people got tired of Grummz, these scams are so easy to spot but getting people to acknowledge it’s a scam or hold the scammer to it is basically impossible. Just gotta wait until they make enough unforced errors that the problem becomes impossible to ignore.
The grifter will always be a grifter
A lot of people don't know about his game
He does a pretty good job at separating his audience from it
@@therealjaystone2344ironic you say that but are subscribed to these grifters and whenever I see one of their videos your always there
@@therealjaystone2344 dude your literally are on every grifter video I seen and your subscribed to them lmao
@@Goku-pm7rp for educational purpose
If someone said, "Draw a fart as a person." I'd just draw Grummz, because that's what he is...an old fart.
Fun fact about Ginger Prine btw, much like Grummz, he's VERY heavily disliked in the FFXIV community because of how he tried to demonize the whole community for some arguments he got into on Twitter or something. He wasn't disliked initially for this, in fact, he got support from much of the community. After his departure from the game to play New World however, he decided to continuously take jabs at the FFXIV community, which led to him being hated heavily as a result. This was during the Endwalker era, and he's recently tried to make a comeback in FFXIV content but the community is always there to remind him that he won't be receiving a warm welcome back due to his past actions. I also believe Ginger Prime was kicked out of a podcast about FFXIV as well because people who actually played the game quickly caught on that the stuff he was saying about the game made no sense.
Him having Grummz on stream has further damaged his reputation in the community since Grummz himself tried to weaponize the community because of Wuk Lamat's VA (who's trans). The community collectively told him to piss off and take his culture war crap elsewhere.
Basically. Much like any game, XIV has a cadre of terminally-online superfans, mostly on Twitter, who react violently to any criticism of the game. Now, I think a lot of Ginger's takes are hogwash that don't align with the game's identity, but I'm not going to attack the man for it. One take I seem to recall was him thinking Ultimate weapons should be gated through a relic style gear grind, which completely destroys the identity of Ultimate Raids.
Anyways, he got into arguments with the XIV Defense Force (they do exist and are insufferable, but are also ignorable) and played the victim, goading them while chest beating on about how he WOULD NOT BE SILENCED and he was FIGHTING CANCEL CULTURE while dropping weird cryptic rambling videos about how he WASN'T MAD AT ALL, IN FACT HE WAS TROLLING THEM. And that's when the fanbase effectively said "good luck" and dropped him like a bad habit.
Also, his controller guides were terrible. A friend asked me for a controller setup and because Ginger Prime/W2G was the only name I had ever heard of with regards to controller layouts, I sent them his way. Two days later I'm playing with that friend and wondering why he's not using key abilities for the job he was playing and he said he set it up like the video said. Upon watching it, I think anyone copying GP's controller layouts would struggle to clear an extreme, much less a savage or ultimate.
It baffles me how people keep feeding money to his scam
Well, Anti-Woke Gooner Gamers are idiot, surprise surprise
Despite grifters like Grummz once in a blue moon address legitimate criticism about the game industry they throw that to the side and paint the main issue on culture war so instead of pointing out how a game like Spider-Man two having a budget of supposedly $200 million being ridiculous and unhealthy they're spending more time bitching about a side quest about Miles helping a deaf person of color in his community as the bigger issue
Nice straw man
@@williamdrum9899Strawman is when you no like the truth.
…that’s not a strawman, that’s a specific example of something Grummz did.
Grummz: Picks a fight with X game which gets parroted by countless people not bothered with his claims legitimacy
Players of X game: Gets pissed at him for lying about their game
Grummz: Claims he is being targetted and to give him money in support
Repeat constantly, burning more bridges with each time
I always had a feeling grummz wasn't the type of guy alot of people viewed him as when I learned he was the same guy behind the fire fall fiasco(I heard about years before most people even knew who he was)
If anyone in this comment section wants a LOT more on this guy and the stuff around him, a youtuber named shaun made a huge video called "Stellar blade: the fake outrage" where grummz plays a large role. Also shaun is just awesome.
Welcome back yandere dev
I took one glamce at Grummz and i knew he was scummy and a grifter. I wonder why... (spoiler:)
Spoiler: all 'content' creators that live off drama and getting mad over media- in general, but even worse the 'anti-woke'- are bad news. Its the nature of the grind, pure and simple- they found ther niche in a exploit. Its human nature to be drawn to drama... once they start going that way and getting those clicks its a slippery slope, and then everything must be a target. It all devolves in bait titles, trying to look at everything negativelly.... it ends up being criticism that mentions flaws to overblowing any possible flaw, everything being blown out of proportion, rushing to claim as fact any rumour (sometimes all it takes is one random comment saying X and theyre acting like that was a leak) - its insane
This apply to every drama grifter, not just anti-woke (those are just extra overt and on the nose)- and theyre all bad news because its a redflag tell of their morals. They know theyre living off a machine that only needs smoke to scream fire and the clicks, likes, watchtime etc explodes. They consciously indulge in that and very aware theyre playing smoke and mirrors to feed a fanbase hungry for more drama, that kind of content can be addicting.
Its baffling im still seeing this idiot being mentioned. Dont people ever realize? They drink the kool aid that much?
Yes. A person is smart. People in groups are stupid.
Yeah your right on the mark. I’m on the anti woke side and I do think it’s better to have these outrage/drama farmers than not, I still completely agree.
I can really only name people on my hand who is in this space but they make meaningful content and don’t farm outrage.
Internet aristocrat was the founder of gamergate and he basically prophesied con men and swindlers who will try to make buck off of a large following of gamers mad at the gaming and media industries (though it was sorta already happening back then it just wasn’t as bad).
I do not claim this man as a member of the goblin community.
The wut now?
I jumped ship and unfollowed when I seen him trying to rally his following to harass people. It was a cancel operation for sure
When did he do that?
@ Was during his Stellar Blade power trip over censorship
@@blewidescorpio Any specific examples?
@ No and I really don’t care. It was months ago I’m not going to remember the specific words said to hunt down an old post on tXitter or who the names were he was rallying to be harassed. I just know when I saw him doing it for a couple days it bothered me. I’m not going to just make something up as a reason. If I don’t like somebody that’s good enough reason and I would say that was the reason if that was all. I explained the reason. If you disagree that is totally fine
@@blewidescorpio Hard for me to believe you when you don't give a specific example. I get calling him a grifter (it's debetable if u ask me but whatever), but labeling him as a harasser feels very hyperbolic. If anything I've seen people harassing grummz, putting bounties on his head and wishing him to die.
I knew Grummz was bad, but damn… that hole just keep going deeper and deeper. Hopefully more folks will realize what bad news he is and just distance from him.
I started to dislike him because of the culture war bs he was spouting on the site formerly known as twitter. But it's nice to see people see that he's a regular scumbag too, because I don't want anyone to get scammed, even if they disagree with me.
I mean, if they're too stupid to buy it, then Karma takes hold, they created their own factor, I am kinda apathetic.
Certified Hard moment. David Goggins would be pleased.
Glad to see more folks calling Grummz out, great video
I often saw this Grummz guy on podcasts and wondered who he was. He never really came across as someone knowledgeable, and certainly not as a game developer. But, now I know.
As someone who played the Firefall closed beta and has been very familiar with Mark Kern for a long time now, it's always fun to see people go from thinking he has so much game dev cred to realize that he's actually a complete moron talking out his ass and takes no accountability for his own failures.
I view Grummz as a hypocrite in every sense of being
us old school FireFall fans could tell you oodles about Mr. Kern. But unfortunately, almost NO ONE is interested in FireFall despite it being technically the **only* MMORPG that both Extra Credits and Yahtzee Croshaw ever gave overall positive reviews on
Still miss that game to this day. There's never been anything quite like it since
May this video explode in popularity
Speaking as a dev, just the tenure at Blizzard section. It's not enough to just go through current roles for those job listings as they are now. When you're working at a smaller company, especially since this was presumably during the 90s and 00s, you will often wear many hats and roles and responsibilities are interchangeable. This was also the case especially in the 80s, 90s and 00s for most game companies with much smaller teams and budgets.
Going through the standard stock duties and responsibilities is the baseline.
Showing how glass door reviews at Red5 studios, saying he would be absent as CEO for days/weeks/months at a time, scream at the employees to “start over”, and will be back in a couple of days to see weeks of work completely redone?
Yeah that’s the nail in the coffin to me that he was nothing but clueless middle management at the company.
Then you see that he had zero previous computing/programming related quals before going into Blizzard.
Then, after a year of his “Tsi-Hu” enemy NPC rework? It was just implementing textures. That’s it. McDizzle stream the most recent build since April 2024s drop that came out about a week ago. It’s EXACTLY the same with just a re- texture on the Halo Jackals rip off.
It’s not looking good.
@@Nasmr1 Have you looked into Kern's behavior during the Blitzchung debacle with Blizzard? I'm working off memory here, but from what I remember, he used Blizzard's horrible mishandling of the situation in order to grandstand a fabricated story about him being ousted from Red5 because he was unwilling to take a "Chinese bribe". Keep in mind Red5 had no problems with having a studio in Shanghai even before (timeline a bit hazy) getting funding from The9 (chinese company).
There are people who will forgive Grummz who has never delivered on anything but refuse to forvice Hello Games who would go on to come through and some on NMS.
But Grummz is fighting the culture war, so it is okay.
Give women freedom from clothes!
This is a truly SUPERB video, Nas.
Concise. Clear. Informative.
Cheers dude
Good work Nasmr.
His friends never call him out.
It drives me insane how they talk ethics and let a work and some others do whatever they want
It’s also sickening PERSONALLY knowing TWO of them who have been told but have said NOTHING
@@GazingTrandoshan It's always been like this... the year 2015 when GG popped off, there was already a massive Xbox/Halo PAYOLA scandal popping off, but the conservatives behind the movement turned the blindest of eyes towards it which later bit them square in the ass when triple-A ended up being the actual final boss of the DEI development PONZI scheme that we always knew it would become
I don't know anything about this developer or the firefall games or any of their spiritual successors outside of what you presented in the video, but I felt I was able to understand quite a bit by the end of it. You presented the information really well to someone who isn't familiar with the games or developer, and your editing was visually quite clean and audio quality was great. I especially liked the pop sound effect you had in the begining with your images, it paired really well. Zoomer brain/attention span joke also gave me a giggle. Great job with this video :)
I agree with your pinned comment but I would like to add my own perspective on what you touch upon.
Art can and to some degree should be judged by the political, ethical and philosophical perspectives it supports, attacks, has a dialogue on, etc, because that does have an effect on what people end up believing and acting upon in the real world, while the beliefs themselves can often bleed into the quality of the art. Art is after all a reflection of the Artist.
That being said it cannot be the only way we measure and judge a piece of art, especially where it is done in a subtle and apropriate way that allows you to appreciate the art beyond any sort of politics, ethics or values that are a part of the art, and even more so when the artwork itself is not intentionally "political". Art can have many dimensions to it which are worth examining and appreciating, video games especially. Now where to draw the line on what you can look past is going to depend on each person's comfort zone, which thankfully they can decide for themselves with what they choose to purchase, support and critique.
You're more than correct that a large part of the discussion around video games, if not almost all of it, needs to be focused on the mechanics and gameplay, and increasingly people have shifted to the "politics" of the video game being the primary defense/attack instead of the mechanics, while grifters have played no small part in moving the dialogue there, corporate shills are often happy to have it that way too.
I'm excited to see your future cyberpunk video! Keep it up :)
For me it was three simple strokes that showed me who Grummz was:
- Strike 1: Learning about the Em8er situation and just how deep that rabbit hold goes.
- Strike 2: Trying to mobilize the Gen2 anti-woke commentator circles on Monster Hunter Wilds (bad idea to go after Capcom fans in general)
- Strike 3: That embarrassing bait posing as a leaked NDA for Veilguard that he tried to promote and smear Last Stand Media with.
There’s plenty of legitimate reasons to properly call Grummz a grifter. Simply pick your favorite three.
To Call Mark Kern a Grifter would be an understatement. Considering his past history as a manager in red 5 and blizzard along with "failed father" status, Mark Kern is a pure narcissist who seems to have a fetish for making life hell for everyone around him. When everyone threw Mark under the proverbal bus, he went to anti-woke grifting while fetishizing loli porn. This man is the John K of gaming.
What's wrong with wilds now? World was pretty good...
@@joanboring26 a female character didn't look pretty enough or something idk it's hard to know with these people sometimes
@@PenguinWithInternetAccess to be fair most jrpg fans and character designs are made for and by megagooners so i can see where they're coming from.
@@joanboring26 the thing is, that outrage was completely manufactured, in a previous trailer they showed a conventionally attractive woman as well ; the whole thing just proved grummz was trying to get clout by talking about a popular game while knowing nothing about it
Another banger, dude. Pepsi sponsorship incoming. I can feel it
Making the Grumm-lins mad and I'm here for it.
let see if Asmongold have a ball to cover this stuff
We all know he won't he don't have the balls to
Or Endymion. They know about all this. They just don't care.
The gay lion edit when you said naturally (1:03) chefs kiss, absolute chefs kiss.
13:00
When No Mans Sky played the fiddle, eventually Sean pulled his boot straps up and go to fucking work.
When Em8er played the fiddle, eventually Grummz wrote to twitter how game development is hard and he needs more time (and more importantly, money!) to finish the game!
Great video week thought outand researched.
Chris Roberts and Yanderedev must be such an inspiration for him
Comment for the algo boost. Good shit bro. Private detective Nasmr for the win
I'm forever pissed that FireFall had such potential that was wasted so hard despite the best efforts of so many people
Commenting for a boost in the algorithm.
Hes a digital snake-oil salesman.
thats an insult to snake-oil salesmen
Did i step into a Time Machine because this is just the Sargon of akad shit all over again
Second verse same as the first. This entire attempt at a culture war is just Gamergate 2.
He'll never be public about the funds. Too damning. Great video, Nasmr!
Amazing video man. Good on you for calling this out, too many people want to ignore it!
I never realized that Grummz was the one who bought the FireFall bus. I am surprised people don't bring that up more often or that I haven't heard anybody bring it up until now.
My childhood dream was to be a main point of contact.
I foolishly bought into this to the tune of $2,000 + monthly subscriptions for years. Even hooked Mark up with a Redeemer upgrade for Star Citizen so he could play with his kids or something, I forget exactly what the reasoning was. After giving up on it, leaving the Discord and hindsight being 20/20, I have no idea how I kept supporting the scam for so long. This game will never exist, plain and simple. The best thing anyone paying into this scam can hope for at this point is a monthly art commission that will never get modeled. And Mark hasn't even been able to keep up with those consistently.
Other, smarter backers left far earlier than I did. Anyone in the discord long enough will have heard of torgue or maven, both huge supporters who paid a lot into it at the time, gone to the winds like so many others that paid less and left silently. Wonder if they still have any "$1 maven gifts" to give out.
At least with Star Citizen most of the money went to the actual game and most of my .jpgs have been modeled and implemented into said game.
It's good he's no longer in AAA because managerial parasites are why AAA gaming is soo bloated and failing. It seems he hasn't worked a honest job since blizzard... damn that was 20 years ago.
My lord, this game looks like an asset flip
Here, for exposing scammers.
TLDR: Grummz is a real grifter
Good video sir.
Also murders me how asmon did such a crap job looking into grummz but hes basically one of em noe
By the way, great video Nasmr. You got a new sub!
as soon as you said "firefall" i knew something was wrong
I followed ember's development early on and joined their discord when that was a thing, and the only thing i remember is someone rping as mr torgue from borderlands 2, talking to everyone in allcaps
i know about the mr torgue guy more than the game itself
Commenting to boost this into algo
And people follow this guy unironically...
I never skip a video of "Grummz is a scumbag scammer" video. 😂
slightly off-topic, but damn that Dragontwin game looks beautiful
It's an absolute amazing looking project, and the SOLO dev is gearing up to launch a closed demo in january
Sounds about right, incompetent middle manager gets out of his depth, turns into a total cawnt, and becomes an active detriment to the company. Ys hates to see it
Damn... And this the gamer's messiah on the right?
You should be careful around Upper Echelon as well, from a former Upper Echelon viewer.
I've not heard much around him! I've watched videos in the past and know he dropped a "we need to talk about grummz" video that, in my opinion, got a little too sidetracked with comparisons to anita sarkeesian and rants about the culture war.
@Nasmr1 Yup, that's about right for him now. And other slops.
@@DraKaiDragonEmperor I get what he was trying to do. I feel people got way too combative he was calling out Grummz. You know it's bad when he wasn't feeding them anymore. I'm sorry but he was right about team sports politics. I commend him for not bending the knee.
@@Nasmr1 When it comes to Grummz, bringing up comparison to Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn is "I don't want a solution. I want to be ANGRY" at best, and "actively distracting from any productive discussion" at worst.
@KazeShikamaru That's stupid. By that logic, you commend Grummz by not taking the knee to "wokies". Don't bs with me.
He already fed them long after, they've started blatantly spewing bs, so it's for himself.
Grummz, as in the Minecraft guy?
No wonder everyone uses the Dinnerbone nametag easter egg instead of Grummz's.
Nasty Nasmr COOKED!!
Ah, i remember FireFall's Bus fiasco. Didn't know it was Grumz .
Bump
I didn’t even know he was working on a game 😂 I just saw him posting 24/7 on Twitter with pretty basic bitch culture war takes.
More people need to see this !
A very busy man doing busy work like working on his game for around 8 years. He was also very busy working on FireFall a game announced as this big Sci-Fi co-op MMO where players work together to push back an invading alien force and retake Earth... Only for the studio to be busy making the game the next big E-Sports class based shooter during the entire Beta and barely working on the original vision for the game, but hey atleast we got a marketing bus out of it...
The freelance artist made a beautiful render of a snake lady for the game. It's a crime in itself that she won't ever become reality l
I was an early access backer for firefall. The Em8er gameplay looks EXACTLY the same. The terrain design triggers my dejavu so much, Grummz just loves semi-tropical arid jungle lol
The developer of Avalanche Software Troy Leavitt is an anti-woke guy but, while he was doing that he was also working on Hogwarts Legacy. The best selling game of 2023 with 30 millions copies sold.
It's almost like someone is actually doing it's job instead of being a keyboard fighter.
I just want to point out that "stakeholder" essentially means anyone who has an interest in the product coming out good/profitable. so, that'd include the team that's working on the project, investors, executives, as well as customers.
a half-decent producer will have at least a high-level understanding of the way all of these groups (and subgroups within them) function and think even if they don't necessarily have the experience and low-level knowledge to do some of the jobs themselves.
19:07 prolly on the "CEO"s medical bills
Yanderedev is punching the air right now cause he could’ve gotten away with everything.
OH WAIT IT'S CALLED EMBER ?!
i always it was "emitter" poorly written (em"8"er -> em"height"er ~> emitter)
Dragon twin looks good
I’m glad ppl understand that producers don’t really produce anything now lol
Glad I never gave that dude money.
i just thought he was a disgruntled ex-developer complaining on social media to grift any topical issue..... until i learned he was scamming his followers with the promise of a 'game'. then it got funnier / sadder.
I fully expect his fans to turn on him in the future. Im sure hes gonna do some dumb shit like censor his own game*
* this assuming the game is even real and will even be in a playable state within the next decade 😂
I wish I could post a Grummz hammer gif in the comments
grummz is a grifter.
I am confused. On the one hand I found this video informative and filled with big funny memery. On the other I was not told to lik, commen' and subscrib and therefore have no idea where to go from here! Delicious Detectiveering tho
My boiii