I also found it interesting that in season one, Snufkin says that being in someone else's shoes made him uncomfortable, and in November, Snufkin is doing exactly that. He is now in Moomintroll's shoes, he's the one waiting while Moomintroll is the one away.
That’s exactly it! He needs to feel that discomfort in order to understand moomintroll and himself better. He needs the struggle in order to grow. The show and its fans are so clever...
oh mood I rly wish the Moominvalley series had gone into the bit of lore from the books where if you stare at the King's Ruby you are overtaken by the feeling of whatever you love most (and ofc Moomintroll thinks of Snufkin) but I still like the rainbow ruby light the series gave it
@@Staroyexactly. Romance isn’t the ultimate form of love. It’s just that in this case this platonic love is the most important to him. It’s thinking like this that isolates people form friends and family and forces them to prioritize their romantic partner above all else.
I really hope we get to see Snufkin and Moomintroll go on a journey together. It has been teased and wished dearly by the fans for over half a century now. Even if it was just a few episodes, being able to see what is outside the valley, would be nice.
Lets not forget about the scene in s1 where too ticky asks moomin to keep listening and tells him theres "other lost souls out there that need to be heard" only for it to cut to snufkin leaving the valley 😌 THAT SHIT HURTED
Invisible Snufkin foreshadowing possibly? He's probably never had the words 'I love you' said to him in his life so maybe that's the final piece of the puzzle; knowing love is a necessity, not a selfish desire.
Dot Talks and it would be taken for granted. Just as how we need sadness in order to feel how meaningful it is to be happy Or how we need a little bit of darkness in order to appreciate the light And just as how sometimes, something must be taken away in order to remember what it means to you
If there's a Moominvalley adaptation of Comet in Moominland and the 'Loss of the Sea' scene includes Snufkin breaking down like he does in the book I won't be ready. The Fire Spirit was emotional enough.
I know, right!!! They didn't do it in the Commet in Moominland 90s movie and they totally should have. The Moominvalley series has all it takes to go that far!
I was under the impression this was them adapting Comet in Moominland? They took several parts of the book (saving a fire spirit, the pending natural disaster that has everyone running, the stilts) and only mainly changed the comet to an exploding vocano.
I love that snufkin isn’t portrayed to be this perfect person. He’s kind and he loves his friend but he can be neglecting of moomin and let his own emotions get in the way of being there for others. He’s very focused on himself and the greatest lesson he could’ve experienced is when moomin left. Now he has to deal with longing and consider moomin’s feelings. Sometimes I don’t think snufkin deserves the unconditional love that moomin offers but I’m glad he has it.
I feel like in "November" the one scene where Snufkin wakes up in a panic is reminiscent of the season one dream sequence. In which it would be snufkin, once again, having to fear of Moomin forgetting about him and moving on. Though the creators once again have left it up to our imaginations to figure it out.
Yeah, I’m more like a reverse though. I trap myself so much in work I become distant. It’s more like I stay stationary while everyone else is moving forward.
I hope that in s3 we'll get "Exploits of Moominpappa" , and in s4 we'll get "Comet in Moominvalley" . Just imagine, all these new characters meeting in s3, and in s4 half of them go on this grand adventure to learn about the comet, and the other half stays at Moominhouse. Also, the comet story being the finale and all these characters getting toegether might add more dramatic weight. And in the end, when it turns out that the comet misses the Earth, Moomin and Snufkin perform a "ghibli hug".
I saw a tumblr post about someone who wants the roles of Snufkin and Moomin to be reversed. Snufkin calls for Moomin excitedly, and Moomin simply says his name, to which Snufkin recollects himself and says Moomins name calmer, basically what happened in the third episode but roles are swapped
I always thought that Snufkin was upset in the volcano episode, because Moomintroll was angry at him for somewhat causing the eruption in the first place by bringing the last fire spirit to the volcano. Moomintroll was also jealous of the fire spirit because Snufkin showed it so much affection. I took Moomintroll taking Snufkins hand in the end as a sign of apology. But really, some of your points have truly blown my mind.
I feel like this season really let Snufkin learn how to let people in and love them and how love doesn't have to feel like a snare. And I love the parallel growth between him and Moomintroll, which feels like it's coming to a head. Season 3 will definitely be interesting, and I am so, so eager to see where their journeys take them. 👀
I hope they eventually figure out they can travel together. It's more Snufkin who has to allow himself to let Moomin tag along and realize finding someone you can be alone with is amazing. Really love the videos thank you for all the hard work!
i think moomintroll needs to go on his own adventure... but of course he invites snufkin to come along because he understands what it’s like to be in his shoes lol ;)
@@Lil72722, I'm sorry I haven't responded sooner. Sometimes it's nice to have someone who does their own thing while you do yours; if your partner is a gamer per se and you a painter, you can both do those activities near each other while being independent. It's something I could see Snufkin looking for in a partner, someone who understands that some things are too personal or more relaxing alone. Moomintroll tends to struggle with that idea of being alone, but being alone together could be Snufkin playing his harmonica while Moomintroll writes independent projects done together. I hope this helps, sorry about the late reply!
@@sumsum3873 Definitely, Snufmin road trip is hopefully endgame! It's more for Moomintroll to learn how to, as Drawopinion but it, love with an open hand.
these moominvalley videos highkey make me super emotional :’) it’s just something about the relatability of snufkin’s fear or being trapped and moomintroll’s possessive and overbearing love + the queer undertones that just make my heart cry
same, I keep rewatching them and I tear up a little bit everytime. This story always fills my heart with joy, and I think seeing my favorite characters grow so much it's...comforting?
Moomin said that the Hobgoblin must really LOVE the ruby because it's similar to his love. Back then, he didn't see it as possession until Snufkin pointed it out. Indirectly hinting that Moomin's version of love must have felt possessive for the mumrik.
Several aspects of snufkins personality shows that he could potentially be afraid of love, as he can't keep up a connection with people, unless its someone who he likes a lot, such as the spirit
@@sirworran8385 I just wanna say for you to keep up with this masterpiece, because this is KEEPING ME ALIVE, thank you so much for this amazing piece of art ^^
Seeing the title alone made my heart ache a little. "The Art of Being Loved".That's beautiful and well chosen besides, and Moomin Valley as a whole is a very special creation. Bless Tove. Snufkin is an incredible character in literature.
Looking back at this season again, the 'plan' Snufkin was talking about puzzles me. They weren't hyping up a boss fight between him and the Hobgoblin (although that would have been pretty funny considering the Hobgoblin is a chill dude). Contrary to popular belief, Moomintroll is about as respectful and understanding of Snufkin's need to be alone as anyone can be, wishing him good health on his travels in 'Finn Family Moomintroll' and being there to support him when he needs it. I hope Snufkin at least acknowledges this and opens up a bit more. Or at least tell him about the 'plan'.
It occurs to me, while I haven't watched this rendition of moomin, perhaps the reason Snufkin acted differently to this flame spirit unlike the little kids is because this flame had a defined home, a place to go, a goal. (You do kinda touch on this too!) And snufkin felt enamored with having a place to belong, a home, so he was subconsciously paralleling his own yearning for a home....like how snufkin returns 'home' to moomin valley every spring. God I love these characters
I pray every night that in season 3 or potentially 4, Snufkin gets help with his fear of being forgotten and abandoned. The baby boy has been through so much.
As a person who is like Snufkin, Snufkin’s character growth in season three has really shown how both Moomintroll and Snufkin have matured. They fight, but they respect each other’s strengths and try to understand each other’s weaknesses. Instead of Snufkin being closed off in most ways, he shows more emotions around Moomintroll, including frustration, sadness, longing, and anger. In turn Moomintroll can start to understand Snufkin, and realize that even though he really pisses him off sometimes, Snufkin truly does care. And Moomintroll becomes more responsible with his own emotions towards Snufkin. I can’t wait to see their growth in season 4!!
I think Snufkin‘s plan with the Wizard had already been completed before moomin even knew it. Snufkin knows moomin is the master at bringing people in and in this case- has the same “love=possessive” trait that snufkin sees in the wizard (although less extreme). *thats* why snufkin does nothing and leaves. He knows (and states) moomin can handle it on his own but snufkin can’t as his love language is the opposite
There really needs to be a scene where Snufkin and Little My find out they are related and all of the other family drama. There really needs to be a whole thing about that.
First of all, oh my god I love your observations and connections! Secondly, the way I interpreted "November", was that the reason he could leave Moominvalley so easily was that he always knew that they'd be there, no matter when he came back. In his mind, Moominvalley was probably a little place of warmth that was frozen in time. A place he was familiar with and one he could always go back to. The thought of them leaving had never passed his mind. So, when the tables turned and he was finally in the position that Moomin was usually in, he realized just how much he needed the Moomins in his life. Despite them not always physically being there, they were always with him in his heart and mind. They were an important part of his life. Just as you said, he needed to learn to face his fears of not having enough freedom and to learn to find a balance between freedom and love. You could also say that the saying, “You never realise the value of something until it's gone-" could apply here as well. He is learning that the presence and love of the Moomins has a bigger impact on his life than he probably thought. He is learning that, despite him thinking he has absolutely no attachment to anything and is not dependent on anything, he needs the Moomins in his life as a sort of rock. He is learning that it is ok to depend on people sometimes because none of us are perfect. In then end, just because he is realizing that he actually needs them more than he thought, it doesn't mean he isn't independent and capable of taking care of himself. 👌🏼👍🏼 I hope this made sense! Sorry it's so long! (I'll add on if my mind thinks of something lol forgive me)
That’s exactly what I thought! I also think the characters in November (in the moomin home) represented a trait that snufkin possesses Order - ms. F , paternal kindness- mymble, imagination/missing the ones they love - toft , free spirit(which is the part he displays on the outside) - snufkin himself , depression/ philosophical reasoning- muskrat ,and admiration- hemulan. All of these characters disappear by the end except for toft for this is the emotion that is taking over snufkin. Because what’s most important thing to him right now is finding the moomins.
If this were the old series I was used to as a kid, I feel Snufkin leaving when the Hobgoblin issue was still unsolved would have been his way of saying that Moomin & pals have to figure it out themselves, that he won't always be there to help them. The solution being a lonely one in this case is meaning that he can't stick around because people will rely on him for advice, even if he might not have the help they want or seek. He wants for them to be independent and think of a solution on their own. The lonely one is him - but of course he's gonna be a bit cryptic about it But this is just how I'd see it myself~ Is just the kind of view on Snufkin I've developed since childhood I guess xD
24:05 This reminds me of when Snufkin said in Season 1: "The only thing you should fear is fear itself" (something along those lines at least). To not let fear control your actions or close yourself from the outside world. This part of the 'November' episode clearly wants to bring that message back. With Snufkin showing the housesitters that there is no monster and that there is no need to fear and hide away. I love this message ❤
can we talk about this: i’m not 100% sure that this is true but I heard somewhere that when Snufkin was little he was left (put in a basket on a river) by his parents (canonically mymble and joxter)
Tove was notorious for reinventing her own canon, but the idea that The Joxter was a sort of estranged father figure remained a constant! I wonder if the Moominvalley adaptation will touch on that subject...
I freaking love Snufkin and his boyfriend, I hope in season 3 they get more moments together but I don't think they will, there will probably be lots of pining tho. 👀
Making Season 3 gay would be so easy though. Just have Toffle ask what Moomintroll was like and have Snufkin respond with "he's... wonderful" or something like that.
I've loved and lost several Snufkin-types in my day, invariably for trying to hold on too tight. Four decades into life, I've finally learned my lesson, how to love deeply while always being willing to let go.
ever wanna talk about your feelings 70's Snufkin? no. I DO! I know 2019 Snufkin I'm sad... I know 2019 Snufkin i love how he gets shorter every big installment...
just want to remember everyone about the green light, when moomintroll is saying goodbye to snorkmaiden, that green light make things a little... weird... and when moomintroll goes with the boat, still is the green light somehow shining for him, and we know very well what green is associated with :)
I discovered Moomins one week ago exactly. I haven’t been exited about something like this in a long time. I love kids shows because I think it’s weird to watch shows that give you more problems than they solve. Some kids shows have an empty feeling, but I absolutely love Moomins because the world is alive and the characters seem like they could be real instead of just walking stereotypes. Everyday I wake up excited to watch more, and I’ve never felt this way about a show before! (I’m wactching the 90s one before I watch the new one btw) Sending love 🥰🥰🥰
Many many years in my youth I lived like Snufkin. I could not find soulmates in my relatives. I learned camping skills and always when situation was too much for me I escaped. It was TOUGH sometimes, in winter expesially. After years I found love. After being lonely many years I was surprised how easy it is to love and being loved. Love heals wounds of the past. But, off course it has to end. She let me free to find someone else. Dam, how complicated is life and love mostly. But, wondering in nature all year round gave me unforgettable moments. Smell off wet trees burning, melting ice sound on lake, birds arriving on spring...........
What I really really want to happen next season (and might just write a fic about) is like Snufkin slowly turning invisible while Moomins away, only for Moomin to come back and they have a really sweet moment, but Snufkin is still fading, albeit slower. But Snufkin doesn't want to leave Moomin, like how Moomin was, so they go on a big winter adventure together and have to confront their feelings as well as Snufkins nightmares and invisibility and guilt, and Moomins worries about driving Snufkin away and festering guilt of leaving him. (I just really want some invisible Snufkin okay 😂)
I’m surprised that no one (that I saw) mentioned the green light being a potential allusion to The Great Gatsby, where a green light symbolizes yearning a lost love from afar and wishing with all your might for it to return
You're the first channel I actually activated the bell. I love everything about your videos, the drawings, the things you talk about, your editing, just everything. Your videos deserve more viewers.
I hope there's an analysis of season 3 someday. I've just finished season 2 and am catching up on these videos for that season but I'd love to come back after 3 and find another analysis vid like these. These are well written and well spoken :3
I love that they show us two extremes to what it is to love freely (or be free). Because when we are trying to grow and learn from life, we tend to go to the extremes, for example fixing the fear of rejection by rejecting everyone or by becoming very attached to everyone, but very few times we go to the middle which is to love freely and to not be afraid. The show has this two complete opposites, Moomin and Snufkin, and that's amazing because we can see both journeys, we can see how both of them reach the "middle" even when they are in two different positions. I love this because I think it helps us as viewers to identify with whoever we do, maybe even both, and know that no extreme is the way to go, and then show us what we could do to go to this middle depending in which one we are. As always I love your videos and I'm suuuper thankful you make them!
I love your videos so much, just hearing the phrase "Once again I want to talk about Moominvalley" filled me with such a deep happiness, thank you so much for what you do >u
Also, Snufkin rushing off to find out the truth about a magical object reminds me of another certain character from J.R.R. Tolkien's work, that is known for wearing a pointy hat and coming and going as he wants. Snufkin is Gandalf. Change my mind. It really is so similiar to Gandalf searching for the truth about the ring. And the hat even belongs to an evil wizard that searches for something all his live, quite similiar to Sauron searching for the ring. The mountain home of the Hobgoblin even reminds me of the volcano where the ring was made or Souron's tower. Only it turns out the Hobgoblin is a totally chill dude. But I liked the Hobgoblin and Groke plots from the 90s cartoon much better. With the seashell that Moomin was going to give to Snorkmaiden being given to the Groke, and the Hobgoblin granting the wish for a second ruby, because he can only grant the wishes of others, not his own. It's funny to see Sniff being given empathy, but he otherwise feels even more two dimensional in this adaptation. It isn't even shown where he lives or who his parents are etc. But there are a lot more episodes to come, so maybe he will get at least a few more moments. I really miss Stinky, too. It is pretty much confirmed that the Snork will come back in the next season, and hopefully we will finally see Snorkmaiden's house, too. It's sad that the Witch and Alicia most certainly won't make an appearance, since they aren't in any of the original books. It's amazing how well these characters fit though, concidering they were only created for the cartoon. But I really don't care much for the Muskrat, since he doesn't add much and is also pretty two dimensional. I really miss the Hemulen from the 90s anime though. He had some nice plotlines and quite some depth to him. It great that we got to see more of the Mymble though. It totally makes up for the Mymbles daughter not being present. I've read that the last season that wasn't based on the books at all wasn't as good, but I haven't been able to find a place to watch it yet. Hard to find english subtitles, as it was never dubbed to english. I hope we get to find out next season what Snufkin was doing after leaving the valley early in season two.
I will absolutely *not* change your mind; I've bingewatched the lotr movies recently and I couldn't stop thinking about how the start of the 1st movie is basically a moomin mood
this has been in my watch later for at least two years and even though I never finished this show I decided to watch this now and. god. yeah this is a really good and heartwarming video fantastic work
It’s funny how Moomintroll and Snufkin represent almost two extremes between possessiveness and aloofness, and to become more complete people, they must head towards the opposite extreme to find a happy middle ground.
Generally it´s much easier to love than being loved. Back then I didn´t liked Snufkin that much. Later on I found out that I didn´t understand him and now he´s closer to me more than I would though. Might watch this series, it seems pretty good!
I only discovered this series last year, and I've only seen some of the 90s series, but I feel safe in saying Snufkin is easily my favorite character. Aside from the fact he's so independent and usually carefree, he's also presented as fairly wise and pragmatic a lot of the time.
Your alaisis: beautiful everything makes sense this is the character story and soon in Rachel EP they get into that conclusion Mine: .....moomin and snufkin are gay for each other they just dont know now to love each other
I'm not a snufkin and Moomintroll shipper but I would say they have a platonic admiration for eachother. We all have that one friend we admire dearly and I think they are important to have
I’m actually crying bc of some dude named Snufkin *sniff* like wtf!? (Also i grew up with him being called Snusmumriken, try saying that ten times quickly)
These are my comfort video essays, and I keep coming back to them even years later. I really love the world of Moomin and I love the way you talk about it.
I absolutely love the Moomins and Moomin content, so I’ve been meaning to watch the 2019 series for a while now, but it’s also something I’ve become apprehensive about. The books and the 90’s show are just so calm and idealistic, you sort of know what you’re going to get with them, and that it’s always going to work out fine. Not hat there’s nothing to learn or gain from them (there’s quite a bit) but they’ve never seemed to include drastic stakes or any at all really and I think I’d have trouble adjusting to the nature of the most modern iteration. I’m honestly not sure I’d be able to cope with the plotlines described very well or if it could comfort me in the same way the others do judging by the types of themes it explores. It’d just make me hurt. I’ve been watching your videos recently though and it’s a nice way to indulge in the series from afar, although I won’t lie I was getting emotional by the end of this one. The way you analyze and describe the happenings of the story is just great and very comprehensive!
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"but even though Snufkin struggled to let himself be loved, Moomintroll never had to struggle to love him" you've killed me with a single sentence
my job is done
@@DrawpinionDump you’ve decimated every snufmin fan ever, congratulations.
I saw this the exact time it was said in the video 👀
@@DrawpinionDump D: you wanna make us cry???!!
@@unsweetsweets same!
I also found it interesting that in season one, Snufkin says that being in someone else's shoes made him uncomfortable, and in November, Snufkin is doing exactly that. He is now in Moomintroll's shoes, he's the one waiting while Moomintroll is the one away.
Wow, I didn't notice that, good observation. This show's written very well indeed.
This is a galaxy brain take Hohhmygod :0
YESSSSS OMG SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED IT!! Dude I can’t believe that was foreshadowing the entire time! 😂
That’s exactly it! He needs to feel that discomfort in order to understand moomintroll and himself better. He needs the struggle in order to grow.
The show and its fans are so clever...
Nice observation 😎 I didn't notice that when I watched that episode
“And curses Sniff in retaliation, by giving him *empathy.”*
LMFAOOO FEEL THREATENED AT FIRST BUT THEN BE LIKE: o h
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUN
*Ohshit*
OH GOD, THE WORST THING IMAGINABLE
I ALMOST PISSED MYSELF IN FEAR
snufkin’s character arc can be summarized by “the mortifying ordeal of being know”
I kept repeating that phrase so much during my drafts kjdfkfdhdfkhjg
"Hey guess what? Its still Moomin time"
*The only time that matters*
i literally see you comment in every video about the moomins/moominvalley
*i like you*
*Greetings (´・ω・`)*
You're basically the hobgoblin, but instead of an endless search of a ruby, it's new Moomin videos.
@@honeycomblord9384 the pfp fits too
You make this Fandom happy.
I was so caught up in the metaphor of the ruby being gay feelings/being closeted that I forgot that snufkin has issues
oh mood
I rly wish the Moominvalley series had gone into the bit of lore from the books where if you stare at the King's Ruby you are overtaken by the feeling of whatever you love most (and ofc Moomintroll thinks of Snufkin) but I still like the rainbow ruby light the series gave it
@@DrawpinionDump Moomin has a platonic love for snufkin tho, his romatic love is for snorkmaiden
@@Staroyexactly. Romance isn’t the ultimate form of love. It’s just that in this case this platonic love is the most important to him. It’s thinking like this that isolates people form friends and family and forces them to prioritize their romantic partner above all else.
I really hope we get to see Snufkin and Moomintroll go on a journey together. It has been teased and wished dearly by the fans for over half a century now. Even if it was just a few episodes, being able to see what is outside the valley, would be nice.
Yess I want to see that to cuz like both of them r now going on a journey in winter so I wish they would go from time to time.
That would be so cute!
And then they gradually develop feelings for each other.
h-half a century??
@@FMAiscool Yessir slight slowburn letsss gooo 😼👍
this is 'snufkins guide to leaving situations' debunked
LMAOO
That video is so great lmao
Ha
BRO I WATCHED THAT
“Offering a *friendly* hand”
Oh, come on. Give it up. We all know by now.
Lets not forget about the scene in s1 where too ticky asks moomin to keep listening and tells him theres "other lost souls out there that need to be heard" only for it to cut to snufkin leaving the valley 😌 THAT SHIT HURTED
i still haven't recovered from that one
Invisible Snufkin foreshadowing possibly? He's probably never had the words 'I love you' said to him in his life so maybe that's the final piece of the puzzle; knowing love is a necessity, not a selfish desire.
@@DrawpinionDump I think about it every day
@@beachballssideaccount Omgg stopp that'd be so gooddd
@@beachballssideaccount invisible snufkin?
Sometimes I feel If it was Moomintime all the time, the world would be a better place.
But if it was Moomintime all the time, it would just be Time 😟
Dot Talks and it would be taken for granted.
Just as how we need sadness in order to feel how meaningful it is to be happy
Or how we need a little bit of darkness in order to appreciate the light
And just as how sometimes, something must be taken away in order to remember what it means to you
@@asterbluejay1471* Quite it*
Reminds of "Let her go" by Passenger. Give it a listen
Dot Talks ooo okie I’ll try it
Dot Talks OHHHH THAT SONG!!!
HAHAHAHA YEAH THAT WAS THE SONG I WAS THINKING OF REFERENCING LMFAO
If there's a Moominvalley adaptation of Comet in Moominland and the 'Loss of the Sea' scene includes Snufkin breaking down like he does in the book I won't be ready. The Fire Spirit was emotional enough.
I know, right!!! They didn't do it in the Commet in Moominland 90s movie and they totally should have. The Moominvalley series has all it takes to go that far!
Snufkins shown himself to be more emotional and human then the weird-mythical-being 90s snufkin, so it could totally happen if comet takes place.
SAAAME :"((
But like- imagine if it were the series finale
I was under the impression this was them adapting Comet in Moominland? They took several parts of the book (saving a fire spirit, the pending natural disaster that has everyone running, the stilts) and only mainly changed the comet to an exploding vocano.
I love that snufkin isn’t portrayed to be this perfect person. He’s kind and he loves his friend but he can be neglecting of moomin and let his own emotions get in the way of being there for others. He’s very focused on himself and the greatest lesson he could’ve experienced is when moomin left. Now he has to deal with longing and consider moomin’s feelings. Sometimes I don’t think snufkin deserves the unconditional love that moomin offers but I’m glad he has it.
I feel like in "November" the one scene where Snufkin wakes up in a panic is reminiscent of the season one dream sequence.
In which it would be snufkin, once again, having to fear of Moomin forgetting about him and moving on.
Though the creators once again have left it up to our imaginations to figure it out.
It's scary how the more I listen to your analysis about Snufkin, the more I realise I am like him.
ngl editing this video was a whole journey into discovering how much I am like Snufkin too
@@DrawpinionDump aha now we have to find our Moomins
We all snurfkin now
Yeah, I’m more like a reverse though. I trap myself so much in work I become distant. It’s more like I stay stationary while everyone else is moving forward.
I hope that in s3 we'll get "Exploits of Moominpappa" , and in s4 we'll get "Comet in Moominvalley" .
Just imagine, all these new characters meeting in s3, and in s4 half of them go on this grand adventure to learn about the comet, and the other half stays at Moominhouse.
Also, the comet story being the finale and all these characters getting toegether might add more dramatic weight.
And in the end, when it turns out that the comet misses the Earth, Moomin and Snufkin perform a "ghibli hug".
contact the writers immediately this is genius
WE NEED JOXTER
Sir, you're hired.
@@Antifearn omg i would literally cry if snufkin and joxter have a hug oml.... ; v ;
I hope when moomin returns from the island snufkin does something we wouldnt think of like hugging moomin or running to see him
I saw a tumblr post about someone who wants the roles of Snufkin and Moomin to be reversed. Snufkin calls for Moomin excitedly, and Moomin simply says his name, to which Snufkin recollects himself and says Moomins name calmer, basically what happened in the third episode but roles are swapped
Narratively speaking this would be amazing but if they did that it'd break my heart
oh yeah it would be painful but great no matter what happens during their reunion. we won’t know for two years!
Anx13ty R1dd3n ITs aLL AbOUt ThE yEaRNiNG
Anx13ty R1dd3n even the creators make us yearn for the show
I always thought that Snufkin was upset in the volcano episode, because Moomintroll was angry at him for somewhat causing the eruption in the first place by bringing the last fire spirit to the volcano. Moomintroll was also jealous of the fire spirit because Snufkin showed it so much affection. I took Moomintroll taking Snufkins hand in the end as a sign of apology.
But really, some of your points have truly blown my mind.
I feel like this season really let Snufkin learn how to let people in and love them and how love doesn't have to feel like a snare. And I love the parallel growth between him and Moomintroll, which feels like it's coming to a head. Season 3 will definitely be interesting, and I am so, so eager to see where their journeys take them. 👀
The Hobgoblin: “Skeedadle Skeedoo empathy for you”
I read this as hobo goblin I-
I hope they eventually figure out they can travel together. It's more Snufkin who has to allow himself to let Moomin tag along and realize finding someone you can be alone with is amazing. Really love the videos thank you for all the hard work!
What do you mean by “finding someone you can be alone with”?
i think moomintroll needs to go on his own adventure... but of course he invites snufkin to come along because he understands what it’s like to be in his shoes lol ;)
@@Lil72722, I'm sorry I haven't responded sooner. Sometimes it's nice to have someone who does their own thing while you do yours; if your partner is a gamer per se and you a painter, you can both do those activities near each other while being independent. It's something I could see Snufkin looking for in a partner, someone who understands that some things are too personal or more relaxing alone. Moomintroll tends to struggle with that idea of being alone, but being alone together could be Snufkin playing his harmonica while Moomintroll writes independent projects done together. I hope this helps, sorry about the late reply!
@@sumsum3873 Definitely, Snufmin road trip is hopefully endgame! It's more for Moomintroll to learn how to, as Drawopinion but it, love with an open hand.
@@Knightofcups54 thanks, i could see snufmin go that way, and no worries for late replies ^^
K but if Snufkin doesn't hug Moomintroll on the pier like how Moomintroll wanted to hug him in the 3rd episode then WHAT IS THE POINT
What is the PURPOSE
It's bound to happen. I can see Moomin being like "who are you and what have you done with Snufkin?" and then they hug again.
Please, for the love of GOD, give me the "MOOMINTROLL!" - "Snufkin." - "Ah, oh, yes, yes... Moomintroll." dialogue I so desperately crave.
@@Leo-yx9xm Oh my god. Cute. I'll add that to the list of things I want in Season 3, next to Snufkin calling Little My 'sis'.
@@Leo-yx9xm OH YES PLEASE THIS!!!!
This is unrelated but I want The Joxter to be in season 3.
Cool fact about Joxter: He canonically is described with whiskers in the book(s?)
CAT DAD HAS WHISKERS?? OMG I LOVE THAT
these moominvalley videos highkey make me super emotional :’) it’s just something about the relatability of snufkin’s fear or being trapped and moomintroll’s possessive and overbearing love + the queer undertones that just make my heart cry
same, I keep rewatching them and I tear up a little bit everytime. This story always fills my heart with joy, and I think seeing my favorite characters grow so much it's...comforting?
Moomin said that the Hobgoblin must really LOVE the ruby because it's similar to his love. Back then, he didn't see it as possession until Snufkin pointed it out. Indirectly hinting that Moomin's version of love must have felt possessive for the mumrik.
Several aspects of snufkins personality shows that he could potentially be afraid of love, as he can't keep up a connection with people, unless its someone who he likes a lot, such as the spirit
Ok, I can't wait for Season 3. Seriously.
i am always up for some fresh moomin content!
M O O M I N C O N T. E N T ?
@@DrawpinionDump I bet you did. ;3
@@sirworran8385 I just wanna say for you to keep up with this masterpiece, because this is KEEPING ME ALIVE, thank you so much for this amazing piece of art ^^
@@scoobydobap8438 Omg, I haven't been going for a while. Ill pick it up again no worries!
"wait... it's always moomintime?"
_always has been_
Any time is Moomin time.
i like the way you think
Seeing the title alone made my heart ache a little. "The Art of Being Loved".That's beautiful and well chosen besides, and Moomin Valley as a whole is a very special creation. Bless Tove. Snufkin is an incredible character in literature.
Snufkin: I MISS MY BOYFRIEND SO MUCH
(that goddamn cliffhanger)
Looking back at this season again, the 'plan' Snufkin was talking about puzzles me. They weren't hyping up a boss fight between him and the Hobgoblin (although that would have been pretty funny considering the Hobgoblin is a chill dude).
Contrary to popular belief, Moomintroll is about as respectful and understanding of Snufkin's need to be alone as anyone can be, wishing him good health on his travels in 'Finn Family Moomintroll' and being there to support him when he needs it. I hope Snufkin at least acknowledges this and opens up a bit more. Or at least tell him about the 'plan'.
How do you accidentally break a ruby? It's a nine on the moh's scale lol
It occurs to me, while I haven't watched this rendition of moomin, perhaps the reason Snufkin acted differently to this flame spirit unlike the little kids is because this flame had a defined home, a place to go, a goal. (You do kinda touch on this too!) And snufkin felt enamored with having a place to belong, a home, so he was subconsciously paralleling his own yearning for a home....like how snufkin returns 'home' to moomin valley every spring. God I love these characters
I pray every night that in season 3 or potentially 4, Snufkin gets help with his fear of being forgotten and abandoned. The baby boy has been through so much.
As a person who is like Snufkin, Snufkin’s character growth in season three has really shown how both Moomintroll and Snufkin have matured. They fight, but they respect each other’s strengths and try to understand each other’s weaknesses. Instead of Snufkin being closed off in most ways, he shows more emotions around Moomintroll, including frustration, sadness, longing, and anger. In turn Moomintroll can start to understand Snufkin, and realize that even though he really pisses him off sometimes, Snufkin truly does care. And Moomintroll becomes more responsible with his own emotions towards Snufkin. I can’t wait to see their growth in season 4!!
100% like ratio: perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Did I just bingewatch Moominvalley just so I could watch this video?
Yes. yes, I did.
I think Snufkin‘s plan with the Wizard had already been completed before moomin even knew it. Snufkin knows moomin is the master at bringing people in and in this case- has the same “love=possessive” trait that snufkin sees in the wizard (although less extreme). *thats* why snufkin does nothing and leaves. He knows (and states) moomin can handle it on his own but snufkin can’t as his love language is the opposite
its so weird but cool when people talk about moomin in like an analysis way lol
it's good media and it deserves attention! :D
Its all about the LONGING, the MUTUAL PINING!
THAT’S THE GOOD SH!T
A 31-minute long video essay on why Moomintroll and Snufkin are in love with each other
Professional
Fun fact: the light seen at the end of november isnt green, implying that isnt moomin coming back but maybe the family (and the fisherman?
who knows!
don't do this to me- if Moomin isn't there I'll throw my computer out the window /j
It wasn’t until 26:40 that I realized that Snufkin was right next to his own mother!
omg true
There really needs to be a scene where Snufkin and Little My find out they are related and all of the other family drama. There really needs to be a whole thing about that.
First of all, oh my god I love your observations and connections! Secondly, the way I interpreted "November", was that the reason he could leave Moominvalley so easily was that he always knew that they'd be there, no matter when he came back. In his mind, Moominvalley was probably a little place of warmth that was frozen in time. A place he was familiar with and one he could always go back to. The thought of them leaving had never passed his mind. So, when the tables turned and he was finally in the position that Moomin was usually in, he realized just how much he needed the Moomins in his life. Despite them not always physically being there, they were always with him in his heart and mind. They were an important part of his life. Just as you said, he needed to learn to face his fears of not having enough freedom and to learn to find a balance between freedom and love. You could also say that the saying, “You never realise the value of something until it's gone-" could apply here as well. He is learning that the presence and love of the Moomins has a bigger impact on his life than he probably thought. He is learning that, despite him thinking he has absolutely no attachment to anything and is not dependent on anything, he needs the Moomins in his life as a sort of rock. He is learning that it is ok to depend on people sometimes because none of us are perfect. In then end, just because he is realizing that he actually needs them more than he thought, it doesn't mean he isn't independent and capable of taking care of himself. 👌🏼👍🏼
I hope this made sense! Sorry it's so long!
(I'll add on if my mind thinks of something lol forgive me)
That’s exactly what I thought! I also think the characters in November (in the moomin home) represented a trait that snufkin possesses
Order - ms. F , paternal kindness- mymble, imagination/missing the ones they love - toft , free spirit(which is the part he displays on the outside) - snufkin himself , depression/ philosophical reasoning- muskrat ,and admiration- hemulan. All of these characters disappear by the end except for toft for this is the emotion that is taking over snufkin. Because what’s most important thing to him right now is finding the moomins.
If this were the old series I was used to as a kid, I feel Snufkin leaving when the Hobgoblin issue was still unsolved would have been his way of saying that Moomin & pals have to figure it out themselves, that he won't always be there to help them. The solution being a lonely one in this case is meaning that he can't stick around because people will rely on him for advice, even if he might not have the help they want or seek. He wants for them to be independent and think of a solution on their own. The lonely one is him - but of course he's gonna be a bit cryptic about it
But this is just how I'd see it myself~ Is just the kind of view on Snufkin I've developed since childhood I guess xD
*”0 dislikes”* it is as the world should be
Within 2 weeks there are 8 new dislikes.
Then it’s time to go on a crusade
24:05 This reminds me of when Snufkin said in Season 1: "The only thing you should fear is fear itself" (something along those lines at least). To not let fear control your actions or close yourself from the outside world. This part of the 'November' episode clearly wants to bring that message back. With Snufkin showing the housesitters that there is no monster and that there is no need to fear and hide away. I love this message ❤
can we talk about this: i’m not 100% sure that this is true but I heard somewhere that when Snufkin was little he was left (put in a basket on a river) by his parents (canonically mymble and joxter)
Tove was notorious for reinventing her own canon, but the idea that The Joxter was a sort of estranged father figure remained a constant! I wonder if the Moominvalley adaptation will touch on that subject...
I freaking love Snufkin and his boyfriend, I hope in season 3 they get more moments together but I don't think they will, there will probably be lots of pining tho. 👀
*We love a feral boy who pines after his fluffy boyfriend 👀*
@@GandyDaGei Yes we do Gandalf, yes we do
Making Season 3 gay would be so easy though. Just have Toffle ask what Moomintroll was like and have Snufkin respond with "he's... wonderful" or something like that.
@@beachballssideaccount That would be amazing
Why does this show just feel like a slow burn fic
I've loved and lost several Snufkin-types in my day, invariably for trying to hold on too tight. Four decades into life, I've finally learned my lesson, how to love deeply while always being willing to let go.
Those must be great stories
I SAW THIS IN MY RECOMMENDED AND I SCREAMED
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I DIDNT GET A NOTIFICATION FOR THIS
SAAAAME!!!
"You have to let yourself be loved to overcome the fear of being forgotten" is an insane quote, and a perfect way to summarize Snufkin's journey
ever wanna talk about your feelings 70's Snufkin?
no.
I DO!
I know 2019 Snufkin
I'm sad...
I know 2019 Snufkin
i love how he gets shorter every big installment...
70s snufkin is a fashion icon
@@DrawpinionDump YES!
I just love the "í wanna talk about Moominvalley"
just want to remember everyone about the green light, when moomintroll is saying goodbye to snorkmaiden, that green light make things a little... weird... and when moomintroll goes with the boat, still is the green light somehow shining for him, and we know very well what green is associated with :)
I discovered Moomins one week ago exactly. I haven’t been exited about something like this in a long time. I love kids shows because I think it’s weird to watch shows that give you more problems than they solve. Some kids shows have an empty feeling, but I absolutely love Moomins because the world is alive and the characters seem like they could be real instead of just walking stereotypes. Everyday I wake up excited to watch more, and I’ve never felt this way about a show before! (I’m wactching the 90s one before I watch the new one btw)
Sending love 🥰🥰🥰
These moominvalley analyses really do be hitting me right in the feels, huh?
I miss your moomin videos so much. I still hope for an analysis on season 3, but most of all I hope you are doing great
Many many years in my youth I lived like Snufkin. I could not find soulmates in my relatives. I learned camping skills and always when situation was too much for me I escaped. It was TOUGH sometimes, in winter expesially. After years I found love. After being lonely many years I was surprised how easy it is to love and being loved. Love heals wounds of the past. But, off course it has to end. She let me free to find someone else. Dam, how complicated is life and love mostly. But, wondering in nature all year round gave me unforgettable moments. Smell off wet trees burning, melting ice sound on lake, birds arriving on spring...........
alternate title: snufkin submits to the mortifying ordeal of being known
What I really really want to happen next season (and might just write a fic about) is like Snufkin slowly turning invisible while Moomins away, only for Moomin to come back and they have a really sweet moment, but Snufkin is still fading, albeit slower. But Snufkin doesn't want to leave Moomin, like how Moomin was, so they go on a big winter adventure together and have to confront their feelings as well as Snufkins nightmares and invisibility and guilt, and Moomins worries about driving Snufkin away and festering guilt of leaving him.
(I just really want some invisible Snufkin okay 😂)
Listen. Listen,
I would die for invisible snufkin
@@DrawpinionDump S A M E
If invisible snufkin happens in one of the episodes in season 3 I'm gonna bawl my eyes out
I’m surprised that no one (that I saw) mentioned the green light being a potential allusion to The Great Gatsby, where a green light symbolizes yearning a lost love from afar and wishing with all your might for it to return
You're the first channel I actually activated the bell. I love everything about your videos, the drawings, the things you talk about, your editing, just everything. Your videos deserve more viewers.
Thank you!!! ;w;
The fact that he just so happens to leave every time he finds himself be more vulnerable..
I can’t get past the fact that the ruby shattered from being dropped onto the dirt.
It's almost like... they are learning to be the same person (or eachother)... possible marriage?
I hope there's an analysis of season 3 someday. I've just finished season 2 and am catching up on these videos for that season but I'd love to come back after 3 and find another analysis vid like these. These are well written and well spoken :3
I love that they show us two extremes to what it is to love freely (or be free). Because when we are trying to grow and learn from life, we tend to go to the extremes, for example fixing the fear of rejection by rejecting everyone or by becoming very attached to everyone, but very few times we go to the middle which is to love freely and to not be afraid.
The show has this two complete opposites, Moomin and Snufkin, and that's amazing because we can see both journeys, we can see how both of them reach the "middle" even when they are in two different positions. I love this because I think it helps us as viewers to identify with whoever we do, maybe even both, and know that no extreme is the way to go, and then show us what we could do to go to this middle depending in which one we are.
As always I love your videos and I'm suuuper thankful you make them!
“It was just winter itself, seen through the terrified eyes of loneliness”
*_damn_*
I had no idea that this series had such deep characterization!!
I think Snufkin was so upset bc he knew he would never see the spirit again, but he will see moomin again
I love your videos so much, just hearing the phrase "Once again I want to talk about Moominvalley" filled me with such a deep happiness, thank you so much for what you do >u
Also, Snufkin rushing off to find out the truth about a magical object reminds me of another certain character from J.R.R. Tolkien's work, that is known for wearing a pointy hat and coming and going as he wants. Snufkin is Gandalf. Change my mind. It really is so similiar to Gandalf searching for the truth about the ring. And the hat even belongs to an evil wizard that searches for something all his live, quite similiar to Sauron searching for the ring. The mountain home of the Hobgoblin even reminds me of the volcano where the ring was made or Souron's tower. Only it turns out the Hobgoblin is a totally chill dude. But I liked the Hobgoblin and Groke plots from the 90s cartoon much better. With the seashell that Moomin was going to give to Snorkmaiden being given to the Groke, and the Hobgoblin granting the wish for a second ruby, because he can only grant the wishes of others, not his own. It's funny to see Sniff being given empathy, but he otherwise feels even more two dimensional in this adaptation. It isn't even shown where he lives or who his parents are etc. But there are a lot more episodes to come, so maybe he will get at least a few more moments. I really miss Stinky, too. It is pretty much confirmed that the Snork will come back in the next season, and hopefully we will finally see Snorkmaiden's house, too. It's sad that the Witch and Alicia most certainly won't make an appearance, since they aren't in any of the original books. It's amazing how well these characters fit though, concidering they were only created for the cartoon. But I really don't care much for the Muskrat, since he doesn't add much and is also pretty two dimensional. I really miss the Hemulen from the 90s anime though. He had some nice plotlines and quite some depth to him. It great that we got to see more of the Mymble though. It totally makes up for the Mymbles daughter not being present.
I've read that the last season that wasn't based on the books at all wasn't as good, but I haven't been able to find a place to watch it yet. Hard to find english subtitles, as it was never dubbed to english.
I hope we get to find out next season what Snufkin was doing after leaving the valley early in season two.
I will absolutely *not* change your mind; I've bingewatched the lotr movies recently and I couldn't stop thinking about how the start of the 1st movie is basically a moomin mood
I can't believe it. We cracked the lore behind Gandalf the Gay.
I wonder if this is why I get Frodo and Sam vibes whenever I hear Moomintroll speak.
Hey guess what! This channels absolutely deserves more viewers. This is nice, high quality and relaxing content!
this has been in my watch later for at least two years and even though I never finished this show I decided to watch this now and. god. yeah this is a really good and heartwarming video fantastic work
This video should be played in Schools for educational reasons.
It’s funny how Moomintroll and Snufkin represent almost two extremes between possessiveness and aloofness, and to become more complete people, they must head towards the opposite extreme to find a happy middle ground.
Generally it´s much easier to love than being loved.
Back then I didn´t liked Snufkin that much. Later on I found out that I didn´t understand him and now he´s closer to me more than I would though.
Might watch this series, it seems pretty good!
I have yet to watch the newest version and I’m still stuck in the 1990s version. I’m very excited to start the newer one soon
I only discovered this series last year, and I've only seen some of the 90s series, but I feel safe in saying Snufkin is easily my favorite character. Aside from the fact he's so independent and usually carefree, he's also presented as fairly wise and pragmatic a lot of the time.
and this was supposed to be a kids show
oof... wanting and not having is a huge part of being a kid
me: holy crap i’m early! quick brain think of something witty and funny!
my brain: 👁👄👁
*That was indeed witty. I shall grant you a like, my good sir*
Gandalf The Gay I was wondering where you were ;D
Your alaisis: beautiful everything makes sense this is the character story and soon in Rachel EP they get into that conclusion
Mine: .....moomin and snufkin are gay for each other they just dont know now to love each other
Rewatching it because I can't stand the wait for S3 anymore 😢
you and me both, pal
Thank you for carrying this fandom 👏
Forgot to ask for it, but could you do an analysis on Burton's "The Corpse Bride"?
It's one of the only movies that has made me cry
It would be great!
I'm not a snufkin and Moomintroll shipper but I would say they have a platonic admiration for eachother. We all have that one friend we admire dearly and I think they are important to have
Ajsjsj, I used to think that of my friend of the same gender.
Turns out I'm gay... but you could be right tho
I’m actually crying bc of some dude named Snufkin *sniff* like wtf!? (Also i grew up with him being called Snusmumriken, try saying that ten times quickly)
I think the most surprising thing is cavetown in this episode, I almost died when I found out he wrote music for this show
this soundtrack saves my life every day
I just started listening to his music recently and ahh it's so good.
This channel is keeping me alive thank you for the sustenance
always glad to provide! Thank you for the kind words
@@DrawpinionDump of course 💕💕
Ah yes. Moom
mood
Drawpinion Dump The biggest mood I got is when I saw this:
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@@crispywithinthemeat omggg his little 3D fangs......
Drawpinion Dump whoever made that needs to work on the show!
These are my comfort video essays, and I keep coming back to them even years later. I really love the world of Moomin and I love the way you talk about it.
Are we gonna get an analysis of Moominpapa an Moominmama through the series?
I plan to talk about them in my next Moominvalley video!
Never stop talking about Moominvalley!
I have never seen any of the shows or read any of the books but Moominvalley gives me serious animal crossing vibes.
For moominvalley in November, the book hit a lot harder than the episode for me
I absolutely love the Moomins and Moomin content, so I’ve been meaning to watch the 2019 series for a while now, but it’s also something I’ve become apprehensive about. The books and the 90’s show are just so calm and idealistic, you sort of know what you’re going to get with them, and that it’s always going to work out fine. Not hat there’s nothing to learn or gain from them (there’s quite a bit) but they’ve never seemed to include drastic stakes or any at all really and I think I’d have trouble adjusting to the nature of the most modern iteration. I’m honestly not sure I’d be able to cope with the plotlines described very well or if it could comfort me in the same way the others do judging by the types of themes it explores. It’d just make me hurt.
I’ve been watching your videos recently though and it’s a nice way to indulge in the series from afar, although I won’t lie I was getting emotional by the end of this one. The way you analyze and describe the happenings of the story is just great and very comprehensive!
Why is a kids show so philosophical as fuck rn lmao