I feel like you would be a really good teacher. a lot of this stuff can be difficult for me to understand but you’re good at breaking things down into easily digestible pieces. appreciate ya
I'm glad you called out the problems with using CV as the only metric for measuring artifacts. Like yeah crit is important but if you don't have enough attack you don't have anything to use that crit for and if you don't have enough EM then your reactions are gonna hit like a wet noodle and if you don't have ER then you'll have to eeeeeeeeeeeeee to charge back up 😭
Lmao i never used CV as a metric system for measuring artifact, when i go to discord server and they are flexing their CV i thought it was a metric for flexing ur rolls instead of how good the dmg output would be.
CV is awful and makes no sense to me. Doubling crit rate and adding it to crit damage to equal Crit Value? Ok so if I just build Crit rate to 100%, double it and add it to base 50% crit damage I have 250 CV...which is the same CV if I build CR to 25% and CD to 200%. All while ignoring atk% and EM. Its a dumb metric that tells me nothing about whats going on with a unit.
Most supports buff attack so others dont value attack substats as much. Em is very rare though and is only exclusive to reaction based teams. Crit is overvalued coz mono teams, physical and vape teams show insane amount of numbers and faster clears with it. Meanwhile EM is useless on some of these teams or not needed as much. Most reaction based teams dont even go for that much EM on their main stat artifacts, only as sub stats because of everyone needing more ER for them to actually have a smoother rotation. Even theorycrafters cant say whats the correct amount of EM for a character needs besides vv em supports, because they need to consider what the is team first, the ratios, and the energy requirements to make the team function.
Your info is great as always and the editors are killing it in helping make everything super understandable. Thanks for your and your team's hard work!
The amount of Xiao builds that have 0 ER is so bad man, thanks for talking about the importance of balancing your stats and not going all in on crit. Also I like this format more, keep it up UwU
@@nikmerkulov2790 zhongli has fav, albedo has his 4*, and the second anemo is always between sucrose if he needs grouping, jean fav if healing, bennett fav sometimes, and sometimes he favs xiangling and drops it there with bennett and zhongli and 4vv xiao 🤣
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For Fischl’s A4, it’s important to note that Swirl is still considered an electro related reaction, so as long as Quicken is designed to hold an electro aura, Anemo units can still be good drivers for Fischl’s A4
Thank you so much for all of this! You're the very first person I've seen who makes guides and theorycrafting regarding leaked information that is actually easy to understand! Even being fairly good at maths it can easily become a headache when you don't know the formula which Genshin follows for damage and EM and whatnot, but with you everything is super clear and makes sense! Thanks again!
Crit value is definitely overrated. I have a friend who's convinced their Raiden is way better than mine. (they have a 76/165 Crit ratio while mine's is only 71/150), In the optimizer, my raiden's numbers is a bit better because I run electro goblet (He runs atk goblet) and we have the same amount of ER% with me running an ATK sands (I have 50% ER in substats) while he runs an ER sands.
Raiden's dmg is situational though. Their build might be better for their specific team comp/weapon etc ultimately balance is the most important thing, and of course taking your team buffs into account.
@@MadelashaI actually have tested with and without buffs. My build and his build pretty much have the exact same stats except for his crit values and my DMG%. The only buffs that would actually change anything is Sara c6 (I benefit more but I sadly don't have) and Kazuha DMG% buff (he benefits more). And when factoring those 2 in, mine's still a tiny bit better.
@@cmcguire7901 I worry for that team. If they don't shorten his field time, we're going to run into another Xiao situation where most of the buffs in-game are only half effective. I love Cyno, but I've coped with Xiao for long enough that I don't want to repeat it.
He would definitely be enough if you're using an electro dps like Keqing, but its like reaaallly under-utilizing his kit. Spread team with Tighnari dps would be more optimal I think lel
@@el7284 you already have 15sec quicken rotation duration with Collei or Dendro MC with Cyno, there's nothing to worry about him not utilizing Aggravate optimally.
I love your comment on crit value. I think it is heavily over-hyped simply because it is only one dimension in the equation and maximising one dimension DOES NOT maximise the damage. Not only that, but crit is very difficult to maximise simply because you NEED to get two stats AND crit rate needs to be high enough to consistently crit. This is particularly true for characters that do one hit wonders. Allll that damage is being gambled on crit proccing, and if you don't crit, you "lose" on the damage. Compare that with atk% where the damage is guaranteed, is easier to come by in sub-stats, is only one stat, and is really needed in 4* off-field dps characters, atk% is very valuable.
i always thought CV was a way to flex how good your artifacts were and how pleasing it was to look at, instead of how much damage the character actually does
That's not really how any of that works, especially how you're looking at atk%. Here's a formula that works for all games that use multiplicative mathematical formula's for damage. Which is a lot of them. So it works here for Genshin. Let's say you have 3 stats. Attack, Crit, and DMG% Let's say you have 6 atk, 6 crit, and 6 dmg%, so 6x6x6=216 Take one from crit and give it to atk. 7x5x6=210. Whoa, it's smaller? Let's put all the eggs in one basket like you suggest; 10x2x6=120 Oof. The way math works is you get the highest number when you even them out. Genshin has many steps to this formula. Like 5, usually, and it'd be something like 5x5x5x5x5. So yeah it's not all about crit, but it's not all about atk either. Only character who cares about pure atk is Shenhe. You won't get very far without both. Yeah, it sounds bad to farm for two stats but for one that's why you start off with 50% Cdmg and two that Cdmg rolls such high numbers. Also, Crit rate has an actual limit while no other stat does. It's actually not that bad.
It's definitely true to balance your stats instead of only looking for CV only . My hutao have 3 crit rate circlet , one has 34 crit dmg only , one has 70EM sub stats and the other one has 40EM and some HP% . I tested multiple times and the best one is the one having both HP and EM even though when i equipped it my stats look less impressive compare to when i used the 34% crit dmg one
Although, Aggravate is a reaction. At least it seems it is, because I use thundering fury on keqing, and every time I use Keqing's skill, applying aggravate and spread, her cool down goes down, essentially, being able to keep on using her skill and have her weapon be electro imbued all the time.
This was incredibly useful info, and I cant believe the video was released 2 weeks before 3.0! This video beats all the other guides I’ve been watching in the last week.
Nice. I wanted confirmation that the Quicken state is not consumed by the Aggravates. If everything stays the same I'm gonna enjoy running Keqing with C6 Fischl. Atk or EM being better was pretty obvious. Big atk multiplier prefers atk, low atk multiplier prefers EM. Keqing was sitting at 2.1k Atk and 200% CD and was doing crap damage. This should help.
Sorry for commenting on such an old video, but I appreciate the explanation on Crit Value. I've been chasing crit artifacts for a long time and still do absolutely terrible damage. I'm glad this clears things up. The only time I've had good luck on balancing Crit and dmg is with characters with alternate scalings like Candace with HP.
Raidou only worked in the beta when Raiden's burst did normal attack damage. When they changed it during the beta, they stopped working together according to leakers, however I have not seen any leaked gameplay footage proving that. HOWEVER, I think they should add that synergy, because according to all information in game currently, they should work together, despite Raiden dealing burst damage. Just add that specific interaction, don't change anything else.
@@popo_irl Again, reading comprehension issues. Electro MC & Beidou triggers upon normal or charged hit. Xingqiu & Fischl triggers upon normal or charged attack input. And finally Albedo and Raiden trigger upon damage proc which is why they can't use their skills against shields.
This this this! I hope weird teams with proccing the seed isn't awkward and hard to do the right combination. I hope we get badass feeling reactions, currently Quicken/Aggravate and Burning for reverse melt interest me more than Bloom reactions.
You don't need much if not any Atk% stats on Xiang Ling actually since she getting so much ATK from Bennet so you can prioritize just CV ER and EM rolls.
thank you for the video , Question : Would a c6 sara get any significant buffs for an Aggravate team since an Aggravate carry would benefit more from the Crit and Atk buff (since u can build more em on them) or her lack of electro application is gonna make her a cope option?
I don't use CV metric anymore. 2 metrics that I use: a) Raw damage considering downtime (ER reduces downtime). I use this when comparing the same character. b) Scaling all the useful stats to CDmg ratio then sum them all. I use this when comparing different characters.
Would you mind explaining how you calculate raw damage to downtime if a character (let's assume Rosaria, Skyward spine) is using Emblem of Severed Fate?
If you want the most damage just don't look at cv, em and er of the dps only, the artifact can be better or worse depending on your support. Here is a example, consider a Xiangling with with 190 er and 1600 atk and 75 cr and 160 cd but only 150 em on emblem set, a character like sucrose will give around 200 em, but If Xiangling already have like 350 em and 60cr and 120 cd, it will be wasted on Xiangling if it's on a vapourise team beacuse em have diminshing return at higher em.
@@sansthememe5316 Total Character Damage divided by Rotation Time The rotation time need to be tested. If the ER is enough, burst should be able to be cast off cool down. If not, some funneling is need to be done, thus dragging out the rotation to be longer
11:29 I think the questioner here confused Spread for Aggravate, in which case running Kazuha with VV at all in a Spread team is bad since he cannot increase the DPS of a Dendro unit safe for Sucrose with GD
Here is a question I'm trying to ponder, what of EM Kequing in aggrevate? She's being deemed as a good active to trigger with fischl in the back. But she's also low damage. As such would focusing on EM over ATK with better here? Also does aggrevate crit?
Yes Aggravate crit and scale with DMG% and Char level/crits. I think the best way to balance things with elettro driver like yae and keqing will be the new artifact set that will give a lot of atk and Em at the same time.
@@Giovanni-qu8rt that is very good to know... And omg.. so it's basically using both types of reaction calculations that's.... Crazy. Even still though, I'm thinking of how hu tao doesn't rely on atk% due to a horrible base atk. Not useless but EM or HP work so much better. So if a character's dmg is low wouldn't buffing it be less useful than buffing the EM side of the equation?
Attack % will still be really important for any non-EM scaling character, less so for the EM scalers like Yae, but it's still better in some cases. I think it will depend on your artifacts and the rest of your comp, but generally you still want high attack and around 200-400 EM. It will have diminishing returns above 400 EM because you will sacrifice too much attack and crit stats at that point. Whether you get that 200-400 from other characters or artifacts will be account dependent. I don't have an Elegy for the End, for example, so I can't make use of that party buff. Sacrificing a support character's stats for the instructor's 4-pc set is one option to take. I might do this with Collei or Traveller. Sucrose is a great EM buffer with VV, though I'm not sure if the ~200EM is better than Kazuha's damage boost. It might be, since the dendro character would also gain some EM.
there is a character you havn't spoke about that can be a pretty good electro character for dendro teams so.... what about kuki? she has a pretty decent electro application et has bonuses to be built with EM ( even if i personaly run her full hp/ crit crit damage) i know you've spoke a bit about it on your kuki analysis but with more intel now i'm pretty curious about it.
@@tristanmanalo6252 You could check out the Kuki analysis on the channel. Basically, Kuki does electro *damage* every 1.5s, however she follows standard icd, making it so that she only *applies* electro about once every 3s
@@crownedking_cj8890 the burst portion doesn't proc c6. But Raiden's normal attacks while buffed should proc it. Similar to how Hu tao's skill does initial skill damage (which doesn't proc) then gives her a buff that affects normal and charged attacks (to which the normals do proc)
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if fischl is off-field, then i think her proccing aggravate will not trigger her A4 since her A4 works for “current active character” proccing electro reactions
Keqing most definitely procs her A4 passive. With Keqing, DMC, Fischl, and either Zhongli or Kaz I bitch slap every enemy and my artifacts still need a lot of help lol
Thank you for your input on Tighnari, Collei and Dendro Traveller, I can see uses for all three of them now. I needed a Main DPS archer so I'm still pulling for Tighnari(I was originally going to pull for Yoimiya but I managed to get her in my alt account so she's no longer priority on my main account). I hope he is good in Hyperbloom teams as I envision him being good at it. So which hydro unit would be good to complete this team?
@@dimpejogja Could be. But at the time, Ayaka joing the standard banner/being free was a community joke. This one seems to be a real leak. I'd still pull on the banner regardless of the leaks being real or not.
@@zephskiee5395 just because he potentially might be on standard doesn’t mean you’ll get him. I’ve been playing since launch and still don’t have keqing. I’d recommend to still go for it regardless, and if they do get him, free cons
Can't say for certain until we properly play test and calc it. But stingless seems INSANELY good for aggrevate because of the EM substat and it's passive which both buffs her Aggrevate damage and motion value damage
my guess is they would be about the same for aggravate teams with some slight edge over Stringless. If you compare the stats they give they are equivalent to an extra goblet or circlet. 48% Skill dmg on Stringless vs 46.6% dmg on goblet when all of Fischl relevant dmg portions are skill dmg and 22% CR + 20% CD on Stringless equals to 64 crit value vs a 62 crit value on a circlet. However its better opportunity cost wise to pick dmg% over crit stats because dmg% is a rare stats. You can farm like 200 cv then a 64 cv gain would just be a 30% stats gain while gaining 48% dmg when you have only 60% is a 80% stats gain. The only difference left is the base attack, this is where stringless EM subs stats come in and Aggravate would convert those EM stats into talent dmg to make up on the base attack
CV was created to simplify the critchance vs crtdmg calculation as it is known 1:2 ratio is always the most optimal, which efectively means 1% of critchance equals 2% of crtdmg, so you can convert both into the same unit for simplicity, not the overall value of a build.
Thing is when you give players a single number and say 'focus on that' it becomes the ONLY number they care about. Similar to the focus on BMI or Weight in measuring health (which is useful as a piece of managing health but worthless if it's all you look at). If you are using CV to flaunt the power of your character you've completely lost your way.
Great vid as always, maybe I missed this somewhere but what artifact sets will be good for aggravate Fischl? 4p Gilded dreams, 4p TF, maybe a 2/2pc just to get decent stats sooner?
is shogun gonna do more damage in an aggravate team (including em buffs for example like the 4 piece 4 star instructor test ) than hypercarry ? If so . Should kujou sara be replaced by fichel or keep both at the expense of a teammate?
My xiao has 102/186 crit ratio, the only character i capped a crit rate without even trying. It makes me wanna try to pull for homa just for the sake of him.
Howmuch EM would be a good point to be aiming at for an aggravate Cyno? Let's say his passive would be around 0.1% DMG increase to his elemental skill.
I tried Raiden+Miko+Fichel with Dendro Traveler as on field DPS. It wasnt the best team imaginable mainly due to complications with optimal uptimes (and my Traveler being a little bit under developed) but it was actually viable, strong enough to clear abyss, and it was funny as hell, lightning EVERYWHERE xD The team also dont have shields or heal but you tend to either stun lock the enemy or just kill them so fast its not that big of an issue. For the bigger mobs, the food belt and dodging were quite enough to make it fairly comfortable. Dont get me wrong, Im not recommending this team as a permanent line up. But if youre bored and wanna mix it up a little for some fun, this was actually quite entertaining for longer than it probably shouldve been xD. Maybe its just me lol
When are you signing up as my prof in my university? The way you pass on knowledge to others is so detail and simple unlike my prof The way he explained stuff could very well lead me to use diluc in freeze team
Gilded Dreams is a hard no for Xiangling. With 170ER and Bennett burst Emblem gives 17% more non-vape Pyronado dmg, 6.3% more vaped Pyronado dmg, 17% less overload damage. Vape + Overload Emblem was still 0.1% ahead but you lose the 20% ER. Hu Tao is a toss-up. Vaped charge attack with Crimson Witch was 1.1% ahead of Gilded. So use which ever you get the best sub-stats on. Fischl no clue.
@@iprfenix Thanks, thats an answer with which one can work. Fischl I guess will depend on how aggravate works, maybe it's a tossup between em and atk substats and you just dont care which you get. Yae might enjoy more em though and maybe that finally gives her a niche in which seh's playable...
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Question how manny charges does agrivate have before the dmg boost ends and is kazuha burst with elecktro infusion enough aggrivate for raiden hyprecarry where you replace sara with dendro. Another thing is if you trigger aggrivate with kazuha and then immediatley after trigger aggrivate with shogun, will the dmg increase be based on kazuhas or raidens em?
will Yae and Fischl on Aggravate team be using the new em set or the set I could prefarm? If I can prefarm it what set should I go for for each characters.
ahhhh so dendro traveler will be standar blue print of dendro support capable off. about CV yea i kinda agree. because in some team like freeze vaporise, super charge want balance stat or point thowards atk ER and crit dmg in freeze. but still maybe they need an average base line about "how good arifact" and not "who gonna good use that" and....... flexing. lol
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I feel like you would be a really good teacher. a lot of this stuff can be difficult for me to understand but you’re good at breaking things down into easily digestible pieces. appreciate ya
Same here, you gotta be a smart person to be able to understand concepts that easily and explain them as they were simple math xD
I believe at one point he taught math as a tutor
I think he mention before on his stream that he considered becoming a teacher
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I'm glad you called out the problems with using CV as the only metric for measuring artifacts. Like yeah crit is important but if you don't have enough attack you don't have anything to use that crit for and if you don't have enough EM then your reactions are gonna hit like a wet noodle and if you don't have ER then you'll have to eeeeeeeeeeeeee to charge back up 😭
now if only i could get stats other than def and hp
and why are flat stats even a thing for artifacts
Lmao i never used CV as a metric system for measuring artifact, when i go to discord server and they are flexing their CV i thought it was a metric for flexing ur rolls instead of how good the dmg output would be.
CV is awful and makes no sense to me. Doubling crit rate and adding it to crit damage to equal Crit Value? Ok so if I just build Crit rate to 100%, double it and add it to base 50% crit damage I have 250 CV...which is the same CV if I build CR to 25% and CD to 200%.
All while ignoring atk% and EM.
Its a dumb metric that tells me nothing about whats going on with a unit.
Yeah too many people overvalue crit stats
Most supports buff attack so others dont value attack substats as much.
Em is very rare though and is only exclusive to reaction based teams.
Crit is overvalued coz mono teams, physical and vape teams show insane amount of numbers and faster clears with it. Meanwhile EM is useless on some of these teams or not needed as much.
Most reaction based teams dont even go for that much EM on their main stat artifacts, only as sub stats because of everyone needing more ER for them to actually have a smoother rotation.
Even theorycrafters cant say whats the correct amount of EM for a character needs besides vv em supports, because they need to consider what the is team first, the ratios, and the energy requirements to make the team function.
Your info is great as always and the editors are killing it in helping make everything super understandable. Thanks for your and your team's hard work!
The amount of Xiao builds that have 0 ER is so bad man, thanks for talking about the importance of balancing your stats and not going all in on crit.
Also I like this format more, keep it up UwU
I have a friend that doesn't have er problems with 100 er, he's a really good xiao main
@@JustSomeGuyWithAMug he must have longer rotation or multiple favs in the team then.
@@nikmerkulov2790 zhongli has fav, albedo has his 4*, and the second anemo is always between sucrose if he needs grouping, jean fav if healing, bennett fav sometimes, and sometimes he favs xiangling and drops it there with bennett and zhongli and 4vv xiao 🤣
@@JustSomeGuyWithAMug you can run xiao with 0 er but yeah you’ll always need a battery and at least one fav user otherwise you’ll extend your rotation
It's not exactly easy to get both Crits and an ER in the substat
so fish is now like Xiangling who values all offensive stats, except she doesn't need to care much about ER
u still need like 130-140 er on her tho but that doable
@@tama5380 120 is mostly enough
Fischl was always the best 4* Electro unit imo
@@biazacha now arguably even including 5*
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For Fischl’s A4, it’s important to note that Swirl is still considered an electro related reaction, so as long as Quicken is designed to hold an electro aura, Anemo units can still be good drivers for Fischl’s A4
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Thank you so much for all of this! You're the very first person I've seen who makes guides and theorycrafting regarding leaked information that is actually easy to understand! Even being fairly good at maths it can easily become a headache when you don't know the formula which Genshin follows for damage and EM and whatnot, but with you everything is super clear and makes sense! Thanks again!
I'm not big on theory crafting, but your videos are an exception. Very interesting explanations and considerations.
Crit value is definitely overrated. I have a friend who's convinced their Raiden is way better than mine. (they have a 76/165 Crit ratio while mine's is only 71/150),
In the optimizer, my raiden's numbers is a bit better because I run electro goblet (He runs atk goblet) and we have the same amount of ER% with me running an ATK sands (I have 50% ER in substats) while he runs an ER sands.
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Raiden's dmg is situational though. Their build might be better for their specific team comp/weapon etc ultimately balance is the most important thing, and of course taking your team buffs into account.
@@MadelashaI actually have tested with and without buffs. My build and his build pretty much have the exact same stats except for his crit values and my DMG%.
The only buffs that would actually change anything is Sara c6 (I benefit more but I sadly don't have) and Kazuha DMG% buff (he benefits more). And when factoring those 2 in, mine's still a tiny bit better.
Lol they aren't different if both have almost the same stats XD
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Damn your videos are very detailed and full of math. I love it! I'll stay tuned for more
Saw this on stream, but YT editors always make me want to see this again, just for the memes
I honestly thought Tighnari would be enough for a aggravate team, since you only need dendro once per 8 seconds and he's a quick swap dps.
Depends on the team
For Fischl Yae it’s probably fine but for Cyno who is leaked to have 10+ seconds on field probably not
@@cmcguire7901 I worry for that team. If they don't shorten his field time, we're going to run into another Xiao situation where most of the buffs in-game are only half effective.
I love Cyno, but I've coped with Xiao for long enough that I don't want to repeat it.
He would definitely be enough if you're using an electro dps like Keqing, but its like reaaallly under-utilizing his kit. Spread team with Tighnari dps would be more optimal I think lel
@@el7284 you already have 15sec quicken rotation duration with Collei or Dendro MC with Cyno, there's nothing to worry about him not utilizing Aggravate optimally.
I love your comment on crit value. I think it is heavily over-hyped simply because it is only one dimension in the equation and maximising one dimension DOES NOT maximise the damage. Not only that, but crit is very difficult to maximise simply because you NEED to get two stats AND crit rate needs to be high enough to consistently crit. This is particularly true for characters that do one hit wonders. Allll that damage is being gambled on crit proccing, and if you don't crit, you "lose" on the damage.
Compare that with atk% where the damage is guaranteed, is easier to come by in sub-stats, is only one stat, and is really needed in 4* off-field dps characters, atk% is very valuable.
i always thought CV was a way to flex how good your artifacts were and how pleasing it was to look at, instead of how much damage the character actually does
That's not really how any of that works, especially how you're looking at atk%.
Here's a formula that works for all games that use multiplicative mathematical formula's for damage. Which is a lot of them. So it works here for Genshin.
Let's say you have 3 stats. Attack, Crit, and DMG%
Let's say you have 6 atk, 6 crit, and 6 dmg%, so 6x6x6=216
Take one from crit and give it to atk. 7x5x6=210. Whoa, it's smaller?
Let's put all the eggs in one basket like you suggest; 10x2x6=120 Oof.
The way math works is you get the highest number when you even them out. Genshin has many steps to this formula. Like 5, usually, and it'd be something like 5x5x5x5x5.
So yeah it's not all about crit, but it's not all about atk either. Only character who cares about pure atk is Shenhe. You won't get very far without both. Yeah, it sounds bad to farm for two stats but for one that's why you start off with 50% Cdmg and two that Cdmg rolls such high numbers. Also, Crit rate has an actual limit while no other stat does. It's actually not that bad.
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can't wait to see theorycrafter testing out a lvl 20 dendro traveler
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you really think we don't have travler maxed out for the 3 free pulls u get from them 2 years in the game?
Mines lv80 ascended to 90. Can get her to lv90 whenever I want.
Almost everyone has leveled them up
@@ParafrostV mines lvl 90, did it as soon as I was able to lol
It's definitely true to balance your stats instead of only looking for CV only . My hutao have 3 crit rate circlet , one has 34 crit dmg only , one has 70EM sub stats and the other one has 40EM and some HP% . I tested multiple times and the best one is the one having both HP and EM even though when i equipped it my stats look less impressive compare to when i used the 34% crit dmg one
Although, Aggravate is a reaction. At least it seems it is, because I use thundering fury on keqing, and every time I use Keqing's skill, applying aggravate and spread, her cool down goes down, essentially, being able to keep on using her skill and have her weapon be electro imbued all the time.
The elements tierlist I love it. It´s so hilarious to see so many people that believe Pyro is the best OP element in the game.
This was incredibly useful info, and I cant believe the video was released 2 weeks before 3.0! This video beats all the other guides I’ve been watching in the last week.
Next patch is gonna be hella busy patch for theorycrafters
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11:59 - 13:09 it's like zajef's patting my back saying, "you're doing fine," as my XL's pretty similar to his in the video. Nice video
Keqing+fishcl aggravate goes endless brrt brrt brrt
I watch your videos religiously at this point. Great content, thanks for being so good!
Nice. I wanted confirmation that the Quicken state is not consumed by the Aggravates. If everything stays the same I'm gonna enjoy running Keqing with C6 Fischl.
Atk or EM being better was pretty obvious. Big atk multiplier prefers atk, low atk multiplier prefers EM.
Keqing was sitting at 2.1k Atk and 200% CD and was doing crap damage. This should help.
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Good points, as always! Keep it up!
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Sorry for commenting on such an old video, but I appreciate the explanation on Crit Value. I've been chasing crit artifacts for a long time and still do absolutely terrible damage. I'm glad this clears things up. The only time I've had good luck on balancing Crit and dmg is with characters with alternate scalings like Candace with HP.
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Raidou only worked in the beta when Raiden's burst did normal attack damage. When they changed it during the beta, they stopped working together according to leakers, however I have not seen any leaked gameplay footage proving that. HOWEVER, I think they should add that synergy, because according to all information in game currently, they should work together, despite Raiden dealing burst damage. Just add that specific interaction, don't change anything else.
It doesn’t matter if Raiden and Beidou don’t work together
Xingqui's ult rainswords work so it's weird that Beidou's doesn't.
@@popo_irl Again, reading comprehension issues. Electro MC & Beidou triggers upon normal or charged hit. Xingqiu & Fischl triggers upon normal or charged attack input. And finally Albedo and Raiden trigger upon damage proc which is why they can't use their skills against shields.
im stupid excited about dendro, lets hope there are more archetypes and that hyper bloom and burgeon arent too cope
This this this! I hope weird teams with proccing the seed isn't awkward and hard to do the right combination.
I hope we get badass feeling reactions, currently Quicken/Aggravate and Burning for reverse melt interest me more than Bloom reactions.
@@Scythra In last beta they changed burning so it doesn't work with reverse melt anymore
ok that's a really cute thumbnail
You don't need much if not any Atk% stats on Xiang Ling actually since she getting so much ATK from Bennet so you can prioritize just CV ER and EM rolls.
thank you for the video , Question :
Would a c6 sara get any significant buffs for an Aggravate team since an Aggravate carry would benefit more from the Crit and Atk buff (since u can build more em on them)
or her lack of electro application is gonna make her a cope option?
Which electro char can pair with sara? Only one!
Which electro char can pair with sara? Only one!
@@rewer no lol, Beidou also works with her since she can snapshot, fischl also
@@lovecrisis619 they do snapshot her attack buff but c6 crit damage buff can't be snapshot
Keqing, Yae
I don't use CV metric anymore. 2 metrics that I use:
a) Raw damage considering downtime (ER reduces downtime). I use this when comparing the same character.
b) Scaling all the useful stats to CDmg ratio then sum them all. I use this when comparing different characters.
Would you mind explaining how you calculate raw damage to downtime if a character (let's assume Rosaria, Skyward spine) is using Emblem of Severed Fate?
If you want the most damage just don't look at cv, em and er of the dps only, the artifact can be better or worse depending on your support. Here is a example, consider a Xiangling with with 190 er and 1600 atk and 75 cr and 160 cd but only 150 em on emblem set, a character like sucrose will give around 200 em, but If Xiangling already have like 350 em and 60cr and 120 cd, it will be wasted on Xiangling if it's on a vapourise team beacuse em have diminshing return at higher em.
@@sansthememe5316 Total Character Damage divided by Rotation Time
The rotation time need to be tested. If the ER is enough, burst should be able to be cast off cool down. If not, some funneling is need to be done, thus dragging out the rotation to be longer
@@vanish7744 would skill cooldown also be a factor? (Like for Xingqui/Fischl)
@@sansthememe5316 Kinda, skill cooldown would contribute to rotation time
that "hi" at the begining is very beautiful
Amazing video as always Mr Zajeff. Always loving your contents ❤️
ok zajef has one of the biggest brains in genshin community, I can't even follow his math LMAO
RIP melt ganyu, burning got nerfed to 1U
still would be the best melt ganyu variant hopefully
@@tama5380 its basically sunfire but without VV
@@aa-bh3gw unfortunate
so basically... stringless is even stronger now. got it
11:29 I think the questioner here confused Spread for Aggravate, in which case running Kazuha with VV at all in a Spread team is bad since he cannot increase the DPS of a Dendro unit safe for Sucrose with GD
Yo Zajef, Geo gets a bit less bad with Dendro since off-field Geo supports/sub dps won't steal Dendro auras and ruin reactions.
Here is a question I'm trying to ponder, what of EM Kequing in aggrevate? She's being deemed as a good active to trigger with fischl in the back. But she's also low damage. As such would focusing on EM over ATK with better here?
Also does aggrevate crit?
Yes Aggravate crit and scale with DMG% and Char level/crits.
I think the best way to balance things with elettro driver like yae and keqing will be the new artifact set that will give a lot of atk and Em at the same time.
@@Giovanni-qu8rt that is very good to know... And omg.. so it's basically using both types of reaction calculations that's.... Crazy.
Even still though, I'm thinking of how hu tao doesn't rely on atk% due to a horrible base atk. Not useless but EM or HP work so much better.
So if a character's dmg is low wouldn't buffing it be less useful than buffing the EM side of the equation?
Yes aggrevate reactions are like Vaporize and melt they crit
Attack % will still be really important for any non-EM scaling character, less so for the EM scalers like Yae, but it's still better in some cases. I think it will depend on your artifacts and the rest of your comp, but generally you still want high attack and around 200-400 EM. It will have diminishing returns above 400 EM because you will sacrifice too much attack and crit stats at that point. Whether you get that 200-400 from other characters or artifacts will be account dependent. I don't have an Elegy for the End, for example, so I can't make use of that party buff. Sacrificing a support character's stats for the instructor's 4-pc set is one option to take. I might do this with Collei or Traveller. Sucrose is a great EM buffer with VV, though I'm not sure if the ~200EM is better than Kazuha's damage boost. It might be, since the dendro character would also gain some EM.
@@tristanmanalo6252 more like Aggravate and Spread crit despite not being like Vaporize and Melt.
Zajoof, they made burning 1u, so no more reverse melts :"(
Hope yae miko getf better with dendro. Cuase mine does 12k per bolt(solo c0) and i feel its too low):
She is ok with dendro, not as good as fishl
She is ok with dendro, not as good as fishl
She is ok with dendro, not as good as fishl
she would just be a copium version of fishl yae need to be fixed they did her dirty i'm glad i skipped her
she will be getting quite a large buff but with the new 4pc plus aggrevate but still won't be as good as fischl
there is a character you havn't spoke about that can be a pretty good electro character for dendro teams so.... what about kuki? she has a pretty decent electro application et has bonuses to be built with EM ( even if i personaly run her full hp/ crit crit damage) i know you've spoke a bit about it on your kuki analysis but with more intel now i'm pretty curious about it.
Wdym she has decent electro app? She applies electro every other skill proc (every 3 sec).
@@pax4852 I thought her E skill is proccing electro every 1.5 Sec
Do you have a link saying kuki only proc electro every 3secs might check it out?
She's great at hyperbloom, not so good at aggravate
@@tristanmanalo6252 zajef’s kuki pre release analysis. Its about 15:30 mins in
@@tristanmanalo6252 You could check out the Kuki analysis on the channel.
Basically, Kuki does electro *damage* every 1.5s, however she follows standard icd, making it so that she only *applies* electro about once every 3s
Great content, thumbs up
What is the verdict for Fischl's passive now that Dendro is finally out? Does it work?
It does
Keqing, nahida, fischl..and another dendro if you need it if not then whatever = win
@@Cherubim666999 i dont have keqing 😢😢😢
@@blackjackal8770 oh wow, get miko and keqing and nahida, that team kicks ass 2. You can halfass afk most fights lol
@@Cherubim666999 but....... i just said i dont have keqing
Isn't it that C6 Fischl procs as long as you deal dmg rather than doing just normal atk.?
I think it doesnt work on skill damage
@@Sun_Flowerr04 what about burst damage like reiden?
Needs to be normal damage. So Skills won't proc it.
@@crownedking_cj8890 the burst portion doesn't proc c6. But Raiden's normal attacks while buffed should proc it. Similar to how Hu tao's skill does initial skill damage (which doesn't proc) then gives her a buff that affects normal and charged attacks (to which the normals do proc)
It shoots per auto swing, your attack doesn't need to connect to make oz shoot the smaller c6 bolts.
4:39 whats the song? I feel like i've heard it before
That's "Only you" by Intense from Peshay studio set, you must have heard it before from the breakdancing meme that originated with the "sims cat breakdancing" video. It's a good song!
@@imjoul3 thank you! I don't really recall the meme but it is indeed a good song!
if fischl is off-field, then i think her proccing aggravate will not trigger her A4 since her A4 works for “current active character” proccing electro reactions
Yeah that's why he said that the driver for aggravate teams need to be high elemental app units like TF Kazuha or TF Keqing.
Keqing most definitely procs her A4 passive. With Keqing, DMC, Fischl, and either Zhongli or Kaz I bitch slap every enemy and my artifacts still need a lot of help lol
So.. ¿Tenacity Of The Millelith is not worth for Fischl support now?
Never has been
@@ZionKid95 who said that?
@@kevinkarthik3329 Fischl's own damage is good, why would you want to use that set on her
@@alrest8060 so that the entire team dps is increased
@@ZionKid95 in a majority of teams you use fischl in the 20% team buff is better than the 15% electro dmg you're losing
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA ask zajeffs are my favs of all the vids!
but its hard to ask a question in twitch since it easily gets flooded :(
Thank you for your input on Tighnari, Collei and Dendro Traveller, I can see uses for all three of them now.
I needed a Main DPS archer so I'm still pulling for Tighnari(I was originally going to pull for Yoimiya but I managed to get her in my alt account so she's no longer priority on my main account). I hope he is good in Hyperbloom teams as I envision him being good at it. So which hydro unit would be good to complete this team?
Here's your choices : Ayato, Kokomi, Xingqiu, Mona,
no, don't pull for Tighnari. not that he sucks and you should not pull, but he will be in standard banner after 3.0
@@zephskiee5395 is this "you get free ayaka at ar42" all over again?
@@dimpejogja Could be. But at the time, Ayaka joing the standard banner/being free was a community joke. This one seems to be a real leak. I'd still pull on the banner regardless of the leaks being real or not.
@@zephskiee5395 just because he potentially might be on standard doesn’t mean you’ll get him. I’ve been playing since launch and still don’t have keqing. I’d recommend to still go for it regardless, and if they do get him, free cons
Now I'm curious about what's the best weapon for agravate Fischl
R1 harp or R5 Stringless
Can't say for certain until we properly play test and calc it. But stingless seems INSANELY good for aggrevate because of the EM substat and it's passive which both buffs her Aggrevate damage and motion value damage
Crit scales with motion value and aggravate reaction so, I think Harp is better. Unless you have god artifacts with Stringless.
dude i have the same question too!
Aggravate benefit more from crit, so you should choose harp
my guess is they would be about the same for aggravate teams with some slight edge over Stringless. If you compare the stats they give they are equivalent to an extra goblet or circlet. 48% Skill dmg on Stringless vs 46.6% dmg on goblet when all of Fischl relevant dmg portions are skill dmg and 22% CR + 20% CD on Stringless equals to 64 crit value vs a 62 crit value on a circlet.
However its better opportunity cost wise to pick dmg% over crit stats because dmg% is a rare stats. You can farm like 200 cv then a 64 cv gain would just be a 30% stats gain while gaining 48% dmg when you have only 60% is a 80% stats gain.
The only difference left is the base attack, this is where stringless EM subs stats come in and Aggravate would convert those EM stats into talent dmg to make up on the base attack
I had 70% critical rate and almost no ER on my xiangling 😂. She's basically ineffective
They will definitely remove that aggravate interaction with fischl.
This didnt aged well.
CV was created to simplify the critchance vs crtdmg calculation as it is known 1:2 ratio is always the most optimal, which efectively means 1% of critchance equals 2% of crtdmg, so you can convert both into the same unit for simplicity, not the overall value of a build.
Thing is when you give players a single number and say 'focus on that' it becomes the ONLY number they care about. Similar to the focus on BMI or Weight in measuring health (which is useful as a piece of managing health but worthless if it's all you look at).
If you are using CV to flaunt the power of your character you've completely lost your way.
Great vid as always, maybe I missed this somewhere but what artifact sets will be good for aggravate Fischl? 4p Gilded dreams, 4p TF, maybe a 2/2pc just to get decent stats sooner?
guessing 4pc gilded dreams gives fischl 80 em + an atk and em buff from second oz cast onwards
is shogun gonna do more damage in an aggravate team (including em buffs for example like the 4 piece 4 star instructor test ) than hypercarry ? If so . Should kujou sara be replaced by fichel or keep both at the expense of a teammate?
The problem when say who is better is you need a second better because abyss needs 2 teams.
My xiao has 102/186 crit ratio, the only character i capped a crit rate without even trying. It makes me wanna try to pull for homa just for the sake of him.
12:59 its over rated but i still take crit stat over a def stat
Howmuch EM would be a good point to be aiming at for an aggravate Cyno? Let's say his passive would be around 0.1% DMG increase to his elemental skill.
I tried Raiden+Miko+Fichel with Dendro Traveler as on field DPS.
It wasnt the best team imaginable mainly due to complications with optimal uptimes (and my Traveler being a little bit under developed) but it was actually viable, strong enough to clear abyss, and it was funny as hell, lightning EVERYWHERE xD
The team also dont have shields or heal but you tend to either stun lock the enemy or just kill them so fast its not that big of an issue.
For the bigger mobs, the food belt and dodging were quite enough to make it fairly comfortable.
Dont get me wrong, Im not recommending this team as a permanent line up.
But if youre bored and wanna mix it up a little for some fun, this was actually quite entertaining for longer than it probably shouldve been xD.
Maybe its just me lol
When are you signing up as my prof in my university? The way you pass on knowledge to others is so detail and simple unlike my prof The way he explained stuff could very well lead me to use diluc in freeze team
13:55 aged well Clueless
Does aggravate activates stringless' dmg bonus passive ? Because if not then ATK% is just better on Fischl. EM is just a bonus.
Does 4 Thundersoother Keqing works in Aggravate teams?
how is aggravate work? is it going to be a character buff or enemy debuff? or.. the mechanic gonna be just like mona's omen?
I'd really like to know which chars will use the new Gilded Dreams set?
I'm espescially interested in Xiangling, Fischl and maybe Hu Tao?
Gilded Dreams is a hard no for Xiangling. With 170ER and Bennett burst Emblem gives 17% more non-vape Pyronado dmg, 6.3% more vaped Pyronado dmg, 17% less overload damage. Vape + Overload Emblem was still 0.1% ahead but you lose the 20% ER. Hu Tao is a toss-up. Vaped charge attack with Crimson Witch was 1.1% ahead of Gilded. So use which ever you get the best sub-stats on. Fischl no clue.
@@iprfenix Thanks, thats an answer with which one can work.
Fischl I guess will depend on how aggravate works, maybe it's a tossup between em and atk substats and you just dont care which you get. Yae might enjoy more em though and maybe that finally gives her a niche in which seh's playable...
What is "MV"? I think its called motion value? What does that term mean?
Idk if I'm still coping with my Keqing + Mistsplitter. At this point, I'm ready to move on.
I'm back playing the game after some months, is Fischl A4 working as Zajef said or was it nerfed ?
I want to use healer Lisa in a Dendro comp, I will have other electro to actually deal damage and she will be on Soothsayers but is it viable?
how do you make her a healer
Prototype amber and or maiden lol I've done it pretty good ngl
@@treatmelikeaqueenn
....maiden's beloved amps prototype amber's healing? Not just the character's kit?
That's....actually super interesting. I kind of want to try that for Tank-Fei.
Healer Lisa sounds kinda awful since her burst costs 80 energy
@@MaskedGuyCh try ninng healer with her 40 cost. in full geo team
Its been 2 years, crazy
Question how manny charges does agrivate have before the dmg boost ends and is kazuha burst with elecktro infusion enough aggrivate for raiden hyprecarry where you replace sara with dendro. Another thing is if you trigger aggrivate with kazuha and then immediatley after trigger aggrivate with shogun, will the dmg increase be based on kazuhas or raidens em?
Cyno will be the best agggravate
Obviously since he was made with that reaction in mind
@@alrest8060 this did not age well at all
Hi Zajef. Could you please explain why you think that collei and tighnari will be not so good?
will Yae and Fischl on Aggravate team be using the new em set or the set I could prefarm? If I can prefarm it what set should I go for for each characters.
ahhhh so dendro traveler will be standar blue print of dendro support capable off. about CV yea i kinda agree. because in some team like freeze vaporise, super charge want balance stat or point thowards atk ER and crit dmg in freeze. but still maybe they need an average base line about "how good arifact" and not "who gonna good use that" and....... flexing. lol
simple. Attack. because good EM goblets ARE TOO FCKING HARD TO COME BY.
How worth is dendro investing in if you've put alot into the past patches, especially monetary wise?
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genshin theorycrafting is more engaging and interesting than anything we learn at school
That’s due to you caring about the subject matter.
@@FAFRO no shit
Hi, small question, is aggrave work with thunder soother set? Or the bonus dmg work if enemy in the quicken state?
I have a lvl 1 Keqing sitting on my character select screen, and I'm kind of excited to build her for aggravate
Good luck gathering the cor lapis
*You'll need it*
Huh, I learned that aggravate can crit
zajef will collei be em or crit?
Hi, you able to use for it genshin optimizer site or you just like math?)
should i full em on keqing w em sands and iron sting or keeping blackcliff for 36 cd will be more valuable?
Tighnari will be a beast with Fischl.