When my philosophy professor made a list of verses he claimed support slavery, I was able to use Jon’s information to show him and the class how the they were out of context! I definitely recommend Jon’s series on slavery... the best I’ve ever watched. No “excuses” made, only truth!
@Mavors what’s funny how everyone thinks it talks about the slave trade, just check out the channel “Whaddo you meme??? He talks about all the verse in Leviticus or Deuteronomy and exodus
@Mavors how did you come to that conclusion ( shout out to frank and tactics). What evidence do you have to support that? Is there any difference between the biblical slavery and the antebellum slavery of the south?
@@ZoFreex the whole book of exodus, leviticus, deuteronomy actually annoyed me because of how many times and how many laws God put on his people and kept reminding them of the horrible years in Egypt, to the point I can see that the masters were actually the slaves serving the slaves, not the other way around. People nowadays are obssessed with the word slave, but never look at the context.
You defend an immoral book. Defend the subjugation of women. Defend the genocide commanded by God. Defend the killing of entire cities but keeping the virgins for themselves. Defend requiring rapists to marry their victims. Defend killing children for not honoring their parents. Defend an eternal punishment for a finite crime. Would you lock your children in the basement and set the house on fire if they disobeyed you? If a child is being raped and I saw it happening, I would do everything in my power to stop that from happening. God would let it happen, even though he has the power to stop it, and punish the rapist with hell. That is unless the rapist accepts Christ in a deathbed conversion, then he goes to heaven. Not because he was a good person who helped humanity, but because he was willing to become a sycophant to an idea. That is Christianity in a nutshell. Most of the people viewing this are more moral than the Christian God or the Bible. Your religion just won't let you admit it and that is sad.
@@inukithesavage828 Another good example is to actually read the slave narratives. Adam Coleman (Tru-id apologetics) is a friend of Jon Mccrae and a black man. Responding to the so called "white man's religion" objection to Christianity, he says many slave owners would try to prevent their slaves from becoming Christians. As explained in the slave narratives, many slaves became Christians in spite of, not because of, their "masters."
Genesis 9:25-27 New International Version 25 he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.” 26 He also said, “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. 27 May God extend Japheth’s[a] territory; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.” Japhet represents the European and Shem represents the Arab.. And in reality my ancestors were enslaved by the Europeans and before that they were more harshly enslaved by the Arabs for twice as long.
@Casey Chavez The word was עֶבֶד which translates to slave the same exact word used to describe what Israelites were in Egypt. Nice try oh yeah and fun fact Israelites were never slaves in Egypt it’s a made up fairytale.
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I agree... slavery is evil and any religion where a god gives instruction on slavery should not be practiced, especially from the descendants of slaves
@@DJ-uc8mk So... Given that you seem to be implying that you are talking about Christianity...🤔 Any God that says anything about slavery, including freedom for said slaves...☝️👨🏫 Shouldn't be listened to??🤨❔
@@Paulthored freedom for all humans should be a given. With a straight face we say bible god created the sun but any entity intelligent enough to create a sun should know that all folks should be free. Also the bible talks about people being enslaved. The bible is also cool with slaves being beaten... but in reality nothin in nature desires slaves. The only thing that desires slaves is man and the gods that man creates
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And even then, that's not slavery; that's being a servant. "What's the difference?" one might ask. There is QUITE the difference. Let's look at the Dictionary definitions for the words "Servant" and "Slave": SERV'ANT - A person, male or female, that attends another for the purpose of performing menial offices for him, or who is employed by another for such offices or for other labor, and is subject to his command. The word is correlative to master. Servant differs from slave, as the servant's subjection to a master is voluntary, the slave's is not. Every slave is a servant but every servant is not a slave. SLAVE, noun - A person who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who has no will of his own, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. In the early state of the world, and to this day among some barbarous nations, prisoners of war are considered and treated as slaves. The slaves of modern times are more generally purchased, like horses and oxen. As a matter of fact, this is one reason why I did not like the change in the NKJV. They took the word "servant" and changed it for "slave". I did NOT like that. I didn't like it because these two words are NOT interchangeable or the same. A servant is not always a slave. The MAJORITY of the time, a servant's service is by choice. The slave has no such choice. They either work or they are beaten or worse. A Butler is a servant. King's in ancient times had servants as well. They weren't slaves, but rather they attended to the king's wishes and commands. They were hired as servants for that purpose. The slave is NOT hired, and his service is forced onto him. We are SERVANTS of the Lord, not slaves.
To understand what I mean when I say "the change they made in Romans", I'll show you. (King James Version) “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” - Romans 6:16-18 (New King James Version) “Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.” - Romans 6:16-18 The one thing that bothers me about this change is that it is totally unnecessary. Actually, when you understand the difference between a servant and a slave, it really makes the change not only unnecessary, but almost worse. We are not slaves of righteousness or slaves of God. Non-believers call us slaves all the time, do they not? But we are not slaves: We are servants. Does God FORCE us to serve Him? No, He does not. So how then are we slaves? Do you not love God of your own free will? Do you not serve Him by choice? Then how are you a slave? You are not a slave; but a servant. We are also not slaves to sin either. We are servants of sin. Why? Because when we sin, we are doing what our flesh WANTS to do. We are always presented with a choice to either serve God or serve sin. We are slaves to neither, but servants to one or the other. If you serve sin, nobody "made you do it". If you serve God, He did not "force you" because you have free will. You are not a slave to God. And you are also not a slave to sin. We choose what we want to do. Nobody "made us". So I don't like the change from "servant" to "slave" because really it seems to change the whole meaning behind it. When we claim that we are "slaves", we are basically removing ourselves from responsibility for our own actions. "I didn't have a choice Sebastian! I had to!" No, you didn't. We ALWAYS have a choice. As it is written: “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” - Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve." Whoever or whatever we serve, we serve by choice. If you serve sin, you are a servant to sin; not a slave. If you serve God, you are a servant to God and not a slave.
@@Sebastian-zc4qn I thank you for taking the time to write such lengthy responses to my statement. I really do appreciate the thoroughness. I'm not really trying to argue semantics or anything here. I was bought with a price, I am not my own, nor do I wish to be. Of course I have the freedom to chose whether or not to follow Christ after He saves me, but if I chose not to obey Him, I can also expect to be chastened by Him, which I thankfully welcome, because He knows what's best for me. If you want to say that makes me a servant, I take no issues, let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
@@Sebastian-zc4qn It amazes me the lengths that people will go to justify something so sadistic and immoral. This is the poison that religion does to many.They are fully aware how wrong it is but you give up all of your personal morality and send it to a God to dictate there life. The puppeteer and the puppet.God and you !
How Is that an excuse? And how does this video concern It? It only accused a twisted version of the Bible that none of the "people" you talk about has ever considered
@@michaelbellini3946 people are saying that they would never become a Christian because the Bible condones slavery. This video helps to explain that it doesn’t actually condone it. Like, there is one verse that says that you should be obedient to your master if you are a slave, but many more that have very tight rules around slavery. Slavery was allowed when someone had a debt they couldn’t pay, then they could work it off for up to 7 years, at which point they had to be released and the rest of their debt forgiven. So it was the equivalent of, if you eat at a restaurant but don’t have the money to pay, you might be able to do dishes there and work off your debt. But all that stuff was taken out.
@@ellyclaire1996 Glad you said that. Unfortunately you're wrong. There's not a single verse against slavery, and an ocean of verses for It, with the new testament giving a hand to It, too. The law you cited Is for Hebrews only. (hint of racism?). Other people could be kept as property and passed on as heritage and could get beaten as long as they would recover from the wounds. Also women, regarless of being hebrew or not, could be kept forever (hint of misoginy?). As you see, the Bible Is so immoral you can't help making a case for all the worst social problems as you're trying to consider Just One of them. For references, just keep reading the same passage to the end, or do a little research
@@michaelbellini3946 the Bible teaches that all are created equal and God loves us all equally, no matter the race or sex. The Old Testament is a historical record and has many times that the Hebrews are enslaved by other nations, but it doesn’t say that it’s ok, they are encouraged to fight for their freedom. The whole New Testament is basically about freedom. When it comes to the treatment of women, the Bible does give different roles to men and women, but the role it gives to men is to protect the women “the love her as Christ loves the Church and gave his life for her”. The roles it gives men aren’t better than those it gives women, they are just better suited for men because men and women are different, equally important but different. It’s like being insulted when someone tells you to use a shovel to dig a hole instead of a screwdriver. A screwdriver won’t be good at digging, but a shovel won’t be good at fastening screws. We each have our own place. In all the times I’ve read the Bible, I’ve never read anything that says that it’s ok to beat anyone as long as they can cover it up. I think you must be mixing it up with another book or taking something completely out of context. In the story of the Good Samaritan, Jesus illustrates how, when a man is beaten his own countrymen won’t aid him but a Samaritan (who Jews were pretty racist against) helps him. It’s to illustrate that race isn’t what makes someone your neighbor and friend. Jesus speaks about when the slaves shall be freed as being the ultimate goal (both physically and spiritually). Yes, the Bible has many examples of people being immortal, just like a history book that chronicles the Nazi regime, but that doesn’t mean that it condones that behaviour. It’s actually the opposite. It’s a record of the past so those mistakes aren’t repeated. So, for all the misogyny, racism, and violence that happened in the Bible, there is a lesson to be learned. You can’t take one verse or book on it’s own, you have to read the whole thing. If you read only a part of a book on WWII, you might believe that it’s encouraging the mass killing of Jews and other racial groups and disabled people, when it’s just a record of what happened. There are full books in the Bible that just give historical accounts while there are others that teach principles. If there is a main message you can take from the Bible, it’s that nobody is perfect and we all need God. God loves everyone equally and we are to see them as God sees them without judging them based on race, sex, religion, age, or even what they have done. We are all God’s children. I would argue that the purpose of the Bible is to stop slavery, mostly slavery to sin, but physical slavery is an extension of that. If you take all the teachings of Jesus to heart, you couldn’t own a slave.
Also worth mentioning that John Brown, an abolitionist, thoroughly read the Bible to the point of memorization. It was BECAUSE of his faith that he believed slavery to be a sin and that slaves needed to be freed.
Good to see Jon from WYM on Cross Examined. I remember seeing him cover this before. This is crucial info in combating the lie that Christianity endorsed or reenforced slavery.
Exactly. The truth is we are all destined to be slaves. but who do you want to be a slave of the Lord our God or the devil. the answer is clear for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son to die for our sins so that we may have everlasting life with him.
@@festushaggen2563 I don’t know about slave... I think servant is a better word. Serving God is a choice, you can’t really choose to be a slave. We get benefits for living with God, slaves don’t. The word “Slave” in those times generally meant ownership, words change meaning. Once a slave to sin, servant with and to God
@@Bigbossman12624 That's not what the Bible says. We are slaves to Christ. If He is Lord then what He says goes. We also call Him Master. Christianity is not an employment opportunity. If you're not willing to give your life to Christ as He gave His life for you then you're not worthy of the name Christian. That's what it means to die to self, take up your cross and follow Him.
What a perfect match! Two of my favorites coming together. I had to go back a relisten. I was too busy enjoying that WDUM just showed up on CE! Smart, love it🙌
Could you imagine if the US passed laws on child sex trafficking? They dont condone it but just in case you participate in it this what you must do... Lol The backflips Christians have to do and the amount of cognitive dissonance you have to overcome to make this make sense is off the charts... Especially as a black Christian like i was.
This is how I used to think of the bible. I thought that people would adjust a few things here and there to try to control us. I belived that there is a God but I did not believe in the bible because I thought it was tampered with. I now believe in God and have accepted Jesus Christ but this video would've been very helpful when I was doubtful
Slavery in the Bible isn't always necessarily the same as slavery that existed in America, Europe and around the world. Much of the "slavery" in the Bible is actually indentured servitude, where the person is in servitude to pay off a debt, after which they allowed to leave once that debt is paid off. They were also often given a portion of land for their own purposes. Some of these servants remained in servitude because of how well they were treated.
Sooo, only some of the slavery condoned in the Bible is bad? Are you serious? The Bible explicitly condones buying people as property (as long as they're a different race than Hebrew) and owning them for life, selling one's daughters into sex slavery, owning virgin girls to use as you please, and beating slaves mercilessly and without punishment as long as they don't die. How is any of that remotely moral or acceptable? So what if some of the Hebrews worked off debt as indentured servants and were allowed to go free afterwards? You need to quit making excuses for the evil, immoral, jealous, genocidal, deceitful, arrogant, childish, petulent god you worship. He's disgusting.
@@kylerichardson1242 All I'm saying is that a lot of people misconstrue what is indentured servitude in the Bible as slavery, of which it is not. Of course there was actual slavery back then.
@@jhamilton1007 Right. There was actual slavery. Decreed by God. The same God that is supposed to be the source for our moral behavior. The problem is not that some people don't know that some Hebrews worked as indentured servants. The problem is that Christians ignore the fact that God supports actual, chattel slavery and racism. This is abhorent and disqualifies Christianity as a viable religion.
take this verse too young homie Genesis 9:25-27 New International Version 25 he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.” 26 He also said, “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. 27 May God extend Japheth’s[a] territory; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.” Japhet represents the European and Shem represents the Arab.. And in reality my ancestors were enslaved by the Europeans and before that they were more harshly enslaved by the Arabs for twice as long.
@@whatshatnin4572 Do you realize that Canaan, the land of Cannanites, sacrificed live babies on giant bull altars and burned them to death, while beating on drums, but yet you'll say, its immoral that God made them slaves.
@@krayziejerry they were killing babies according to who? To the authors of the bible who wanted their land. Politics bro. Put literaure out to make folks look bad so you can justify their oppression. Why would bible god have a problem with human sacrifice? Ain't that what his son was for Mythology can be very dangerous
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19
Or maybe Jon excused himself to go to the bathroom while visiting and sneaked into Frank's office to make this video. That's my conspiracy theory for the day.
The fact that you can even make a “slave Bible” where you just keep the pro slavery verses… just shows that it’s immoral, how slave owners used that is irrelevant to the fact that you can make a whole book out of pro slavery passages in the Bible
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" "A Militia has the right to keep and bear arms and shall not be infringed" Two very different meanings and that's just 1 of the amendments. Easy right?
@@Noblility This is nowhere near an accurate analogy, if it were then it implies every pro slavery quote from the slave Bible is actually just specific words being taken and put in whatever context instead of actual and whole phrases, which is what it was. The slave Bible just cut out many parts of the Bible,it didn’t rearrange whole sentences to create pro slavery verses, the pro slavery verses were already there, they just took out everything else
@@Noblility use an actual quote from the slave Bible that did the same thing as your example and you would’ve proved your point, but it doesn’t exist so you had to create a false analogy
Not that he needs to refute what you said. It's pretty clear that there's context we don"t understand in the Bible. None of us were alive back then. Even now most of us aren't in the slightest spiritual, but are closer to being spiritually dead. We constantly put our own wisdom ahead of God's, heck, many deny God even exists. God though often tries to meet people where they are at, but it's not always possible that we can do the same back. There's stuff God allowed at one point but wouldn't necessarily allow now. There's stuff God currently allows through mercy and grace, that he doesn't actually condone or want to stay in that state. Taking parts of scripture out if the book and separating them from everything else doesn't make sense. If one understands how the book works, what it represents, the point of using analogies and similes, etc., etc...
When did this collab happen? Thought this was another bored TH-camr who just wanted to be on TV. I love Cross Examine/Frank Turek but only randomly watched this guy a couple times. Strange.
He has great information. Watch his three part series on slavery and you won’t be disappointed. They are hands down the best videos I’ve seen on the topic.
“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” Let anyone who hears this say, “Come.” Let anyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who desires drink freely from the water of life. And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.” Revelation 22:17-19 NLT “Therefore, I make this decree: If any people, whatever their race or nation or language, speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they will be torn limb from limb, and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble. There is no other god who can rescue like this!”” Daniel 3:29 NLT ““Pay close attention to all my instructions. You must not call on the name of any other gods. Do not even speak their names.” Exodus 23:13 NLT““ “Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed. Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God. If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant.” Galatians 1:8-10 NLT The Bible is very clear about the punishment for this crime against the Kingdom of Heaven and His people. Who will make it right? 🤔
I have to admit that the heading of your video had me upset, and I want to thank you for 2 lessons I found in your content. Be blessed and fruitful sir.
Yeah but since he said “just ignore the pro slavery parts... they’re not that important... source:trust me bro..” you’re like yeah THIS is what I came for! 😂😂😂😂
Very good video. Even without the slave Bible many used to use verses out of context in order to carry on with a wicked agenda of slavery. That's why context, context, context is very important.
This slave Bible is the perfect example of how to preserve history. In a MUSEUM. Not flying high and proud like the confederate flag or standing in the middle of the town center as an honored statue. Never forget history. Good and bad.
Revelation 22:19 KJV And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
There were slavery rules in the bible, but transatlantic slavery was unbiblical according to those rules. Slavery condoned by God was more as an indentured servitude and had strict rules as to how the "slave" was to be treated.....
If those slavers really cared about what the Bible said about slavery... the transatlantic slave trade wouldn’t even exist. People who captured others and sold them as slaves were to be executed according to the OT law.
@@alvincelestin2210 yeah pretty much. in fact, all the laws God put making it sound like the masters were actually serving the slaves so they could have food to eat, money to buy out of their slavery
Absolutely. The Bible condoned indentured servitude not some much slavery. In the Bible people sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation or complete destruction. Thus servitude was initiated by the servant not the master and released on the year of jubilee. Servants also had rights and the Bible is clear those who kidnapped a man and sold into slavery were to be put to death. The antebellum slavery was strictly prohibited in the Bible as it was the same slavery that God had spared Israel from at the hands of Pharaoh.
It's like the guy said, you have to take the bible as a whole not just pick and choose, so yeah while it says things that may empower slaves it also explicitly condones slavery and gives exact instructions on how to be a slave and a slave owner, just because they took out things that they thought might have slaves stand up for themselves or whatever doesn't mean that the book doesn't condone slavery, to say otherwise is to literally ignore the words on the pages of the bible
In my experience, people who use the slavery passages to criticize God and the Bible don't care nearly as much about slavery as they do criticizing God and the Bible to justify their own rejection of Him. It's a convenient tool. A stone to throw so to speak. They invest no time in learning about the rights and protections God provided for slaves by punishing His own people for abuse of them. They also don't consider that many people had to sell themselves just to survive because they were born into extreme poverty. Or that it was a provision for the widows and orphans of nations Israel conquered in battle. Or that Israelites were prohibited from kidnapping anyone and were commanded to take in runaway slaves and care for them. No, that harms the "God is a moral monster" narrative. Regardless, it was the world's system of the time and every nation had a hand in it but no one did it with more civility than Israel. Thanks be to God. But since most of those same critics also say God doesn't exist and the Bible isn't true then none of that happened and there goes the accusation.
@@jacoblee5796 You're not going to box me into yes or no. At the time, there was a context to that question and that's what the subject of the video is. In regards to the examples I gave, I'd say it was better for someone to sell themselves to survive or provide for their family than to starve to death out of poverty and homelessness. So in that way, it could be good to let someone work for a living rather than starve. I also question where you get morality from if not from God.
@@jacoblee5796 your straw man response is uncanny, but instead of replying to you with my answer, check out whaddo you meme’s video on it my friend, I promise you he explains it as you go throughout- if not and you simply don’t want to understand more then I pray that you have a blessed day my friend.
This is another example of the bible contradicting itself. Thank you for pointing it out for everyone. They took out the parts that looked like they disagreed with slavery, and kept the parts that clearly support it...
That is literally what they did. Yet then I claims this some how supports the side that it doesn't promote slavery. Lmao just wow. I didn't hear once how they added parts that promoted being owned or forced to work. Kinda dishonest of this person.
You guys are a bunch of uneducated doofuses. The Bible doesn't contradict itself unless you take parts out that clarify how to read and use other parts of it. The Old Testament clearly states that to own another person is a crime punishable by death. The OT also talks about arrangements to be made when a person worked for another person, i.e. indentured servitude, or in modern parlance, setting up an EA (enterprise agreement) with your boss for agreed wages for services rendered. The OT also talks about bond service, i.e. a service performed to pay back for an aggrievement that you've committed to another party, like a prison sentence. Back then there were no prisons and corporal punishment, i.e. the death penalty was only punishments for crimes committed where you've effectively killed someone, i.e. you've actually killed someone, you've raped someone, paedophilia, you've falsely accused someone of a crime where the punishment would be death if they were convicted (meaning you were trying to have them murdered by the authorities) or in other words grievous perjury. Crimes that were committed where you've effectively damaged or stolen someone's property required that the offender make restitution by either paying them back, normally at a multiple if the offence was intended, or if unintentional at the price of the damage. If the offender couldn't pay them back then the offender was allowed to work off their debt and there were strict guidelines to ensure that the offender wasn't being mistreated by the person aggrieved. As for the New Testament, passages that look like they support slavery, they do not. To understand this you need to understand when the letter was written in history and the circumstances of the people at the time. At the time historians believe that about a third of the Roman empire's (RE) population consisted of slaves, not indentured servants (paid labour) but people who were owned by another person, which according to Christians was a crime still punishable by death. Early on the RE was not influenced by Christians (or Jews since Christianity is the continuation of the covenant that God promised thru the Jews) so ownership of people was rife, something that the modern world of politics is slyly trying to push thru corrupt policies and media manipulation today. Now if Paul or the apostles asked that the law be adhered to strictly (which they did repeatedly) then nearly a third of the RE's population would die of starvation since they had no way to feed themselves. So they gave instruction to change the world around them such that the politics allowed for the slaves to be freed and that a person was given their due wage but the complete setting free of every slave required time, which God foreknew and slowly worked into history even though mankind resists doing good and keeps reverting to evil ways. So by the end of the RE the % of slaves had dropped quite significantly and women were no longer treated as property but started having rights equal to men, which the Bible has always supported since Adam and Eve are two equal halves of the one who all people come from (genetics proves this, mitochondrial Eve anyone?). After that because of the constant infiltration of non-believers in God within higher politics within different emerging empires and controlling hierarchies, slavery made a comeback, time and time again. Not just amongst black people but in all people of every stripe. It wasn't until William Wilberforce and Abraham Lincoln, men who required that the Bible be adhered to in government decision making, was there action taken to abolish slavery. An action that cost nearly 2/3rds of the world economies. But still the non-believers continue to bring back slavery in it's different forms, like stealing young girls chance at making a name for themselves by transgenderism therefore forcing them into lower positions, or in foreign countries they take them and sell them into prostitution. Or foreign countries going into poor countries and offering miserly prices for organs that a person can ill afford to lose. Before you doofuses read ANY TEXT that comes from a historical setting PLEASE read up on what was going on at the time or what kind of atrocities WERE ACTUALLY related to it (if it was bad like different Marxist regimes promoting subordination of a group) before you give it your thumbs up or thumbs down.
@@samstapes7471 Slavery itself isn't bad! It's how it's done and how people are treated. The slavery allowed by God in the Old Testament applied to Israel and their dealings with the Canaanites and surrounding people. These people were so perverse and evil, that God made examples of them. Slavery was one of their punishments. The Atlantic slave trade where light skinned people exploited dark skinned people by going in, colonizing them, then taking them abroad simply for free labor is no way near what God told and allowed Israel to do. Who are we to question God actually! Just because WE don't like something or disagree with something doesn't give us the right to pit our puny finite brains against the infinite mind of God who is outside time and space! God specially created the nation of Israel. No other nation was created like this. God told them to take Canaan because the Canaanites and related peoples there took evil to whole new levels of debauchery and abomination. God told Israel to utterly destroy them and on occasion allowed them to take spoils of conquest, including women and kids. Look! It ain't meant to be pretty! It ain't meant to be rainbows and unicorns! There's things in the Bible that are ugly, harsh, and nightmarish! It shows what God thinks of sin and evil. Canaan had their chances and God took them out. However, there's also things in the Bible that tell how slaves should be treated. It also tells us in the Ten Commandments how we should treat others, this would include slaves which are others. In order to understand the Bible as it should be, one needs the power of the Holy Spirit to guide and give clarity. Reading it in our own strength we miss out. Also, most take verses out of context, way out of context in many instances. We can't cherry-pick it like that without losing the big picture.
People should stop confusing God's will with man's sinful actions. Another problem is that for many non-Christians, they will only read what they want to and come to the conclusion that fits their beliefs.
@@hughjanus2781 I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Although I was not always a bible believing Christian, I am now. The most witnessed and documented event in all of human history was that of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I could go on and on about the facts and truths of Christianity but none of that will make a difference to someone who loves their sin. The belief in Jesus Christ is an issue of the heart, not an issue of the head. I pray that someday, James, you, too, might know the joy that only the true belief in Jesus Christ can bring. More importantly, that you might be saved from the judgement of God whom who say is a fictional character.
@@Jambuc829 please clarify your position. No the Bible did support slavery or no did support slavery. Cause USA slavery 1800 v/s biblical practices. Apples and Oranges to me.
@Chris Davis 1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
@Chris Davis Exodus 21:20-21 Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
@Chris Davis Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
If God was against slavery, why did He have any parts in the Bible that support it? Why was it possible to make a "slave bible" by KEEPING IN parts of the Bible? If God were truly against slavery, there should be no parts of the Bible that could be used in a "slave bible."
Don't you know that it wasn't lile slavery in America (cough cough, check out Louisiana slave laws at the time) it was slavery++. The nice kind of ownership of other human beings.
People also don't realize or want to accept that the bible is written in old language, that the definitions for words do not match up the same as they do today or they used differemt words entirely. You need to study the old language and their definitions in order to grasp the correct context in which the words were used.
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters. The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries. In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 16th to 19th centuries. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8- 10). Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery. I highly recommend people watch the real history of Africa. It can be viewed on You Tube on BBC News Africa channel and it is called ‘History of Africa with Zeinab Badawi’, it is a 21 part series and it talks about the Real history of Africa including how slavery really began there and what countries enslaved men, women, and children and the atrocities they faced. It also talks about the plethora rich cultures, art, architecture, the lands, resources, battles, and slavery, note: they do talk about Evolution (Evilution, because it is false). Hope you will check it out.
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Thank you for valuable knowledge. I did not know this. However, the bibel still has passages of slavery as an ordinary thing. point in case Ephesians 6:5. If the bible does not accept slavery, how is one supposed to understand statements like those?
The bible is a handbook on slavery. Not only does it endorse. It also goes further by providing instructions on how what shall be carried out. For anyone who is not a believer in God this is a no brainer.
the reason why they excluded certain verses from the slave bible was because if they included books like Exodus, the slaves would’ve realised that it would’ve been right for them to revolt like the Israelites against pharaoh. also, the fact that the slave owners were even able to use verses to make a slave bible to justify their actions is damming in and of itself.
When they added to, and took away from God’s word, they rendered themselves cursed (Revelation 22:18-19), for the love of money, social status, pleasure of the flesh/rape and sodomy.
Exodus 21:16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.” Yeah, that’s pretty condemning about stealing humans and making slaves of them. Slavery in the OT tended to be more about “self slavery”. How you could sell yourself to pay off a debt to someone. The laws about “slavery” and “being obedient to your masters”, is equivalent to being obedient at a job. If you enlist in the military for food, housing, etc. You’re also expected to listen to everything your leaders say. And if you don’t listen to them, you’ll be punished. Stealing people and enslaving them was punishable by death in the OT. The laws about “slavery” are basically laws about how they shouldn’t go to far to misuse someone who sold themselves, and why the people who sold themselves should be obedient to pay off a debt. Now people removed verses like exodus 21:16 as a way to condone slavery. It’s simple. God doesn’t want slavery, otherwise why would he demand Egypt to “let his people go” who were in slavery for 400 years. God is good.
That's forbidding the kidnapping of free individuals and selling them into slavery. Simply buying people as slaves is condoned within the Bible, as is taken the surviving women and children of other tribes after you have killed their men in battle
_"Why did they have to take these small verses out of context... while keeping them ignorant of the rest of the Bible"_ Because the Bible sends mixed messages about slavery. It fully supports slavery in some situations, and opposes it in others. For example, it often opposed slavery of God's chosen people, but allowed slavery of foreigners. Notice the distinction made in this verse: _"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."_ Lev 25:44-46
@@incredulouspasta3304 I read it out of the KJV, but either way, they say the same thing, the KJV calles them bondsmen/ bondsmaids but they are both still slaves either way in the end.
William Wilberforce (1759-1833), the famous British abolitionist and Christian, is often brought up as an example of Christianity producing a movement against slavery. The main problem with this view is that nearly everyone in Europe and America was a Christian, the vast majority of whom were not against the practice. A very tiny amount of believers had opposed slavery in the 1500 years that Christianity had dominated Europe since the Emperor Constantine made this religion legal within the Roman Empire in 313 CE/AD. In the late 1700s and early 1800s, European abolitionists learned that biblical passages did not help their cause. They eventually began primarily using secular arguments by necessity. One major reason that it took Wilberforce 46 years to convince his countrymen to complete the abolition process in the British Empire was because a huge percentage of the clergy, government leadership, and the general public stood firmly on the view that slavery and racial inequality were natural, culturally normative, and biblical. Along with their Christian ancestors for hundreds of years that created and sustained New World colonial slavery with biblical justifications, the conservatives in Britain and America were among the main forces that resisted 18th and 19th century abolition laws. During Wilberforce’s sustained and rigorous efforts, it took 20 years (1787-1807) to get the slave trade legally ended and another 26 years (1807-1833) to make slavery itself illegal. Why would God provide such a misleading revelation? Or, in this case, is it more accurate to say that modern Christians developed a more heightened humanitarian sensibility because of the rise of Enlightenment humanism?
Here is my question. I ask respectfully and honestly. Nobody alive has ever been a slave and nobody alive has ever owned a slave. Slavery is illegal in the USA. So why is slavery hung onto like a dog with a bone? There are sex slaves of all colors being trafficked but thats it in America. Why not let go of it and move on? I think it holds black people back from success in their lives if they dwell on this as if it happened to them personally. They feel defeated and angry and it will eat you up inside. I have had so many horrible things happen to me personally in my life ,but I had to find a way to forgive because I was so bitter and angry and resentful that it was ruining my life. Lets all just move on, help each other and replace all that with love for all human beings and make our own happiness and forgive what happened to other people by other people in the past for our own sakes. The best revenge you can get is by being successful in your life and rising above it. It was terrible and sad but its over now and it was generations ago. Lets stop all this evil and hatred and violence and just learn to live together. And lets stop with the gangs killing each other. Replace anger and hatred with love and forgiveness so we can all have peace . Lets hand it to the Lord to take care of. Please.
Exodus 21:20-21, “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21 If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property [lit. money].”
The slave masters didn't _have_ to take out those verses - and indeed, most slave masters did not. This was something done by _missionaries_ rather than slave owners, and the rationale was that blacks should not get any ideas of _equality._ That the Bible condones slavery is a fact as clear as day. Not only does the Old Testament explicitly condone the chattel slavery of non-Jews, but the New Testament tells slaves to be obedient to their masters, and hard working. The omitted verse mentioned in this video, that "there is neither bond nor free, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus", obviously refers to the hereafter - _not_ life on Earth. But here's the thing, though: most slaves had access to the complete Bible, and were very aware of the story of Moses and the Hebrews in bondage. "Oh! Let My People Go" is a 19th century spiritual, the precursor to Go Down, Moses, and was popular among slaves. These "slave Bibles" weren't as common as all that - as evidenced by the noticeable lack of extant copies. And let's not forget, pro-slavery advocates used the Bible to support slavery in debates with white abolitionists, who were certainly not given slave Bibles. Yes, abolitionists used the Bible in their abolitionist arguments, but the only way they could get any head-way was to refer to compassion towards one's fellow man, as prescribed in the Bible - because there really wasn't much of an argument to be made against the institution of slavery itself going by the Bible.
As an honest Christian, I have to admit that the Bible does support a very specific form of slavery, or even violence against the slaves, not only in the Old Covenant, but also confirms it in the New Covenant, so Christians should stop acting like it doesn't, because they're only fooling themselves. However, the reason why the Bible supports those things, is because it doesn't make a distinction between a modern prison-system, and between slavery as such, so the biblical slavery is basically a primitive method of dealing with the criminals, and have nothing to do with chattel slavery.
@@ADMusic1999 that changes nothing of what I've said its still about having servants not about forcing people to serve you. Biblically it was a way for people with little to nothing to be able to work and be provided for and Leviticus 25:44-46 doesn't change that as plenty of people sold themselves into slavery as that provided the best protection for them in their situation and the scripture you brought up simply is pointing out that other nations had slaves so these people were already in a bad situation before the Israelites even met the individual so for the Israelites to purchase slaves from the nations around them really benefited the slave as it would result in that slave coming from a nation that lacked rules protecting them unlike the Israelites who even had rules that allowed slaves to run away or volunteer to stay a servant to their master.
@@maow9240 It looks like you are reading into it something that isn't there. The Bible said the word "slaves" constantly. Maybe because there was no distinction between forced and voluntary servitude. Back then, slaves could've been bought, seized through wars, or been volunteered servants who had debts to pay off. Either way, there was no foreknowledge that slavery would've evolved into the evil institution that began in the 17th century. If the Bible was written by the people of ancient times for the people of ancient times, then I will give it a pass and say that they didn't know any better back then. But if you want to claim that the Bible was written by the one true, spaceless, timeless, all powerful, omnibenevolent God, then there's an issue. What slavery did the Bible describe? A slavery where you can get male and female slaves from the nations around you and you may keep them forever. Their children and their entire families can be your property and you may bequeath them to your offspring. If a slave is disobedient, you are allowed to beat them but not to the point of death. If they can survive a few days after to the beating and then die due to their wounds, then it is not your fault because slaves are your property. A slave cannot talk back, argue, or in any way disrespect their master because they are supposed to show reverence for him just as they do for God. All I did was summarize a few biblical passages and put them all together. That was all I had to do to perfectly recreate the brutal type of slavery institutionalized in the South a few centuries ago. Either the Bible was written by some fallible humans who didn't know any better, or your God sounds a lot like a white supremacist.
@@ADMusic1999 you seem to be reading something into it that isnt there. They were treated as servants and weren't even to be threatened amd no ot doesnt say " if they disobey them you can beat them ad long as they don't die in a coiplr.days buy its ok for them to die after those couples because they are your property" biblically they were servants. You can't blame God for humans abusing their authority. Biblically it was not like the south. And before you cherry pick exodus 21:20-21 the context is clear when you look at the surrounding scriptures of exodus 21:18-25 which was about fighting amd what would happen to the person you beat up be it a slave or a non slave amd how to handle it. It does not say you cam beat slaves just because they are your slaves but is far from it
Please explain the "context" in which this verse should be taken: "Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." It is YOU, and your fellow apologists, who are taking verses out of context.
"[50] And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him. [51] If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for. [52] And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubile, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption. [53] And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight. [54] And if he be not redeemed in these years, then he shall go out in the year of jubile, both he, and his children with him." -Leviticus 25:50-54, King James Bible
@@paulnash6944 That verse applied to Hebrew slaves of non-Hebrew masters. Not foreign slaves of Hebrew masters, who were never set free. Context, boy. Context. Try again? I'll give you a 2nd shot.
The irony of them saying the Bible is a whole book, and you don’t get to pick and choose... while the Protestant reformers did just that. Luther wanted to remove the book James, and the other reformers removed numerous book in the Old Testament.
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When my philosophy professor made a list of verses he claimed support slavery, I was able to use Jon’s information to show him and the class how the they were out of context! I definitely recommend Jon’s series on slavery... the best I’ve ever watched. No “excuses” made, only truth!
@Mavors what’s funny how everyone thinks it talks about the slave trade, just check out the channel “Whaddo you meme??? He talks about all the verse in Leviticus or Deuteronomy and exodus
@Mavors how did you come to that conclusion ( shout out to frank and tactics). What evidence do you have to support that? Is there any difference between the biblical slavery and the antebellum slavery of the south?
@@ZoFreex the whole book of exodus, leviticus, deuteronomy actually annoyed me because of how many times and how many laws God put on his people and kept reminding them of the horrible years in Egypt, to the point I can see that the masters were actually the slaves serving the slaves, not the other way around. People nowadays are obssessed with the word slave, but never look at the context.
@Mavors prove it.
You defend an immoral book. Defend the subjugation of women. Defend the genocide commanded by God. Defend the killing of entire cities but keeping the virgins for themselves. Defend requiring rapists to marry their victims. Defend killing children for not honoring their parents. Defend an eternal punishment for a finite crime. Would you lock your children in the basement and set the house on fire if they disobeyed you?
If a child is being raped and I saw it happening, I would do everything in my power to stop that from happening. God would let it happen, even though he has the power to stop it, and punish the rapist with hell. That is unless the rapist accepts Christ in a deathbed conversion, then he goes to heaven. Not because he was a good person who helped humanity, but because he was willing to become a sycophant to an idea. That is Christianity in a nutshell. Most of the people viewing this are more moral than the Christian God or the Bible. Your religion just won't let you admit it and that is sad.
I thought I was clicking on a Whaddo you Meme video and got super confused when it was Cross Examined 😂
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Didn’t realize until the end bro😂
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Another good thing to cite is the anti-slavery movement in the church, which used these sections they left out
@@NickyTheLesser We can't judge all of them by the worst examples.
Just like you don't judge Islam by the worst examples.
@@pcpxbotendorastermace9948 Agreed! I've got Muslim friends that I sadly have lost contact with, and they were very nice.
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Another good example is to actually read the slave narratives. Adam Coleman (Tru-id apologetics) is a friend of Jon Mccrae and a black man. Responding to the so called "white man's religion" objection to Christianity, he says many slave owners would try to prevent their slaves from becoming Christians. As explained in the slave narratives, many slaves became Christians in spite of, not because of, their "masters."
@Mavors
No. That analogy fails. Race is an immutable (unchangeable) characteristic. Homosexuality is a choice and a behavior.
I got so confused when I saw John on my screen, then all of a sudden the Cross Examined intro! 😂
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Looks like the apologetics empire in action
@@MrCaribKaraoke I thought the apologetics empire was david wood's idea?
@@fabiantaveras8458 i dont know....but the cross posting seems to me like part of that plan
@@MrCaribKaraoke hahah that would be a great tool to share the gospel to skeptic and confused people like I was before
It's like, "Cross-over Examined" .... Am I right? ....Eh? ..... Is this thing on?
It didnt even click for me that this was a cross examined video until I looked at the comments. What a crossover.
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Genesis 9:25-27
New International Version
25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
26 He also said,
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend Japheth’s[a] territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
Japhet represents the European and Shem represents the Arab.. And in reality my ancestors were enslaved by the Europeans and before that they were more harshly enslaved by the Arabs for twice as long.
@Casey Chavez The word was עֶבֶד which translates to slave the same exact word used to describe what Israelites were in Egypt. Nice try oh yeah and fun fact Israelites were never slaves in Egypt it’s a made up fairytale.
@caseychavez9815 All those little nitpicking you believers argue over are irrelevant.
Need proof of a God before you get down to specific words lol
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@@michellebamtyles yes there are so many comments like this, ignore them.
@@edsheeran796 Get thee behind me Satan!
@Saigie Satan is a fictional character
DUDE, didn't realize this was on Cross Examined until the intro started. How awesome man.
Best TH-cam crossover I've seenn
It's highly annoying when the world does this to achieve their twisted agendas.
It's even more annoying when it happens in today's age.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
I agree... slavery is evil and any religion where a god gives instruction on slavery should not be practiced, especially from the descendants of slaves
@@DJ-uc8mk So... Given that you seem to be implying that you are talking about Christianity...🤔
Any God that says anything about slavery, including freedom for said slaves...☝️👨🏫
Shouldn't be listened to??🤨❔
@@Paulthored freedom for all humans should be a given. With a straight face we say bible god created the sun but any entity intelligent enough to create a sun should know that all folks should be free.
Also the bible talks about people being enslaved. The bible is also cool with slaves being beaten... but in reality nothin in nature desires slaves. The only thing that desires slaves is man and the gods that man creates
thought i was watching whaddo you meme but then its cross examined
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Slavery is a shadow of how man is in bondage to sin.
Well spoken......or I should say written.
Sin isn't a real thing
@@spawncampe rebellion
@@styles_furious one, the bible clearly supports slavery. Two, can you show a god to exist via testable evidence to verify that sin is real?
@@styles_furious also why did the Bible support slavery
The bible does support slavery, but only the type where you get to serve the greatest master you could ever imagine, Jesus Christ.
And even then, that's not slavery; that's being a servant.
"What's the difference?" one might ask. There is QUITE the difference. Let's look at the Dictionary definitions for the words "Servant" and "Slave":
SERV'ANT
- A person, male or female, that attends another for the purpose of performing menial offices for him, or who is employed by another for such offices or for other labor, and is subject to his command. The word is correlative to master. Servant differs from slave, as the servant's subjection to a master is voluntary, the slave's is not. Every slave is a servant but every servant is not a slave.
SLAVE, noun
- A person who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who has no will of his own, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. In the early state of the world, and to this day among some barbarous nations, prisoners of war are considered and treated as slaves. The slaves of modern times are more generally purchased, like horses and oxen.
As a matter of fact, this is one reason why I did not like the change in the NKJV. They took the word "servant" and changed it for "slave". I did NOT like that. I didn't like it because these two words are NOT interchangeable or the same. A servant is not always a slave. The MAJORITY of the time, a servant's service is by choice. The slave has no such choice. They either work or they are beaten or worse. A Butler is a servant. King's in ancient times had servants as well. They weren't slaves, but rather they attended to the king's wishes and commands. They were hired as servants for that purpose. The slave is NOT hired, and his service is forced onto him. We are SERVANTS of the Lord, not slaves.
To understand what I mean when I say "the change they made in Romans", I'll show you.
(King James Version)
“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” - Romans 6:16-18
(New King James Version)
“Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.” - Romans 6:16-18
The one thing that bothers me about this change is that it is totally unnecessary. Actually, when you understand the difference between a servant and a slave, it really makes the change not only unnecessary, but almost worse. We are not slaves of righteousness or slaves of God. Non-believers call us slaves all the time, do they not? But we are not slaves: We are servants. Does God FORCE us to serve Him? No, He does not. So how then are we slaves? Do you not love God of your own free will? Do you not serve Him by choice? Then how are you a slave? You are not a slave; but a servant. We are also not slaves to sin either. We are servants of sin. Why? Because when we sin, we are doing what our flesh WANTS to do.
We are always presented with a choice to either serve God or serve sin. We are slaves to neither, but servants to one or the other. If you serve sin, nobody "made you do it". If you serve God, He did not "force you" because you have free will. You are not a slave to God. And you are also not a slave to sin. We choose what we want to do. Nobody "made us". So I don't like the change from "servant" to "slave" because really it seems to change the whole meaning behind it. When we claim that we are "slaves", we are basically removing ourselves from responsibility for our own actions. "I didn't have a choice Sebastian! I had to!" No, you didn't. We ALWAYS have a choice. As it is written: “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” - Joshua 24:15
"Choose this day whom you will serve."
Whoever or whatever we serve, we serve by choice. If you serve sin, you are a servant to sin; not a slave. If you serve God, you are a servant to God and not a slave.
@@Sebastian-zc4qn I thank you for taking the time to write such lengthy responses to my statement. I really do appreciate the thoroughness.
I'm not really trying to argue semantics or anything here. I was bought with a price, I am not my own, nor do I wish to be. Of course I have the freedom to chose whether or not to follow Christ after He saves me, but if I chose not to obey Him, I can also expect to be chastened by Him, which I thankfully welcome, because He knows what's best for me. If you want to say that makes me a servant, I take no issues, let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
@@Sebastian-zc4qn It amazes me the lengths that people will go to justify something so sadistic and immoral.
This is the poison that religion does to many.They are fully aware how wrong it is but you give up all of your personal morality and send it to a God to dictate there life.
The puppeteer and the puppet.God and you !
have you read exodus and Leviticus?
Thanks for covering this! There are people who are judging God and using this as an excuse to not be Christians.
How Is that an excuse? And how does this video concern It? It only accused a twisted version of the Bible that none of the "people" you talk about has ever considered
@@michaelbellini3946 people are saying that they would never become a Christian because the Bible condones slavery. This video helps to explain that it doesn’t actually condone it.
Like, there is one verse that says that you should be obedient to your master if you are a slave, but many more that have very tight rules around slavery. Slavery was allowed when someone had a debt they couldn’t pay, then they could work it off for up to 7 years, at which point they had to be released and the rest of their debt forgiven. So it was the equivalent of, if you eat at a restaurant but don’t have the money to pay, you might be able to do dishes there and work off your debt. But all that stuff was taken out.
@@ellyclaire1996 Glad you said that. Unfortunately you're wrong. There's not a single verse against slavery, and an ocean of verses for It, with the new testament giving a hand to It, too. The law you cited Is for Hebrews only. (hint of racism?). Other people could be kept as property and passed on as heritage and could get beaten as long as they would recover from the wounds. Also women, regarless of being hebrew or not, could be kept forever (hint of misoginy?). As you see, the Bible Is so immoral you can't help making a case for all the worst social problems as you're trying to consider Just One of them. For references, just keep reading the same passage to the end, or do a little research
@@michaelbellini3946 the Bible teaches that all are created equal and God loves us all equally, no matter the race or sex. The Old Testament is a historical record and has many times that the Hebrews are enslaved by other nations, but it doesn’t say that it’s ok, they are encouraged to fight for their freedom. The whole New Testament is basically about freedom. When it comes to the treatment of women, the Bible does give different roles to men and women, but the role it gives to men is to protect the women “the love her as Christ loves the Church and gave his life for her”. The roles it gives men aren’t better than those it gives women, they are just better suited for men because men and women are different, equally important but different. It’s like being insulted when someone tells you to use a shovel to dig a hole instead of a screwdriver. A screwdriver won’t be good at digging, but a shovel won’t be good at fastening screws. We each have our own place. In all the times I’ve read the Bible, I’ve never read anything that says that it’s ok to beat anyone as long as they can cover it up. I think you must be mixing it up with another book or taking something completely out of context.
In the story of the Good Samaritan, Jesus illustrates how, when a man is beaten his own countrymen won’t aid him but a Samaritan (who Jews were pretty racist against) helps him. It’s to illustrate that race isn’t what makes someone your neighbor and friend. Jesus speaks about when the slaves shall be freed as being the ultimate goal (both physically and spiritually).
Yes, the Bible has many examples of people being immortal, just like a history book that chronicles the Nazi regime, but that doesn’t mean that it condones that behaviour. It’s actually the opposite. It’s a record of the past so those mistakes aren’t repeated. So, for all the misogyny, racism, and violence that happened in the Bible, there is a lesson to be learned. You can’t take one verse or book on it’s own, you have to read the whole thing. If you read only a part of a book on WWII, you might believe that it’s encouraging the mass killing of Jews and other racial groups and disabled people, when it’s just a record of what happened. There are full books in the Bible that just give historical accounts while there are others that teach principles. If there is a main message you can take from the Bible, it’s that nobody is perfect and we all need God. God loves everyone equally and we are to see them as God sees them without judging them based on race, sex, religion, age, or even what they have done. We are all God’s children. I would argue that the purpose of the Bible is to stop slavery, mostly slavery to sin, but physical slavery is an extension of that. If you take all the teachings of Jesus to heart, you couldn’t own a slave.
@@ellyclaire1996 amen very well put together god bless you in our Lord jesus name love your naber as your self
Frank looks different...He has a bit beard now..
I think he got a tan
No it’s the jacket
It's probably the Hat and Earrings, that are throwing people off...
He's just not infront of a power point.
Also worth mentioning that John Brown, an abolitionist, thoroughly read the Bible to the point of memorization. It was BECAUSE of his faith that he believed slavery to be a sin and that slaves needed to be freed.
Others at the time used the bible to justify owning other people as property. Check out the Louisiana slave laws at the time.
Good to see Jon from WYM on Cross Examined. I remember seeing him cover this before. This is crucial info in combating the lie that Christianity endorsed or reenforced slavery.
God saved from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us to Jesus Colossians 1:13 right?
@@bh613 amen. I just went to Colossians & read the first 20 verses; great passage, thanks for that reference.
@@myth-o-logic go and take a look at Ephesians 1when you get a chance. Very similar and why not it’s the Apostle Paul. Great word of God.
Read Exodus chapter 21, verses 21-22 (Or verses 20-22)
Great video thanks. Why is everyone saying you’re Cross Examined and your Frank Turek. Not getting the joke?
This is actually the most interesting thing I've learned about history in a while.
I would happily be a slave for God! He is my master. 🙏🏾
Amen. Better a slave to God than a slave to sin. It's one or the other.
That is a good point too: It's either serving God or serving someone less qualified than God.
Given the two, I choose God.
Exactly. The truth is we are all destined to be slaves. but who do you want to be a slave of the Lord our God or the devil. the answer is clear for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son to die for our sins so that we may have everlasting life with him.
@@festushaggen2563 I don’t know about slave... I think servant is a better word. Serving God is a choice, you can’t really choose to be a slave. We get benefits for living with God, slaves don’t. The word “Slave” in those times generally meant ownership, words change meaning.
Once a slave to sin, servant with and to God
@@Bigbossman12624 That's not what the Bible says. We are slaves to Christ. If He is Lord then what He says goes. We also call Him Master. Christianity is not an employment opportunity. If you're not willing to give your life to Christ as He gave His life for you then you're not worthy of the name Christian. That's what it means to die to self, take up your cross and follow Him.
A slave owner disliked this video?
And got some 16 of his drinking buddies, drunk enough to agree with him...
More than likely some that still think Christianity is a “white mans religion”.
Wasn't there a Confederate holiday this week?
@@AS-bs8xv that’s because it was given to black slaves by white slave owners
i think it has more to do with the verses that allows slavery in the bible
Hey great video btw. Clear and concise, simple undeniable proof. 👍
I had no idea that I was watching Cross examined until the video ended when he said where you can find him. I thought, arent I already here?
Frank Turek and Jon McCray crossover? Didn't see this coming!
So you ok with slavery too huh?
What a perfect match! Two of my favorites coming together. I had to go back a relisten. I was too busy enjoying that WDUM just showed up on CE!
Smart, love it🙌
I am filled with joy to see you with Cross Examined. Two of my favorite apologists working together! Well done, Jon. May the Lord grant you increase!
this is a great video. some black people nearly drew me away from God with misinformation. great job on this! pray for me ya'll
I didn’t know this was posted on the Cross Examined channel until I saw the intro and was confused-
Lol 😆 I thought this was Whaddo You Meme’s channel. Lol its Cross Examined. Awesome collaboration 👏
Could you imagine if the US passed laws on child sex trafficking? They dont condone it but just in case you participate in it this what you must do... Lol The backflips Christians have to do and the amount of cognitive dissonance you have to overcome to make this make sense is off the charts... Especially as a black Christian like i was.
This is how I used to think of the bible. I thought that people would adjust a few things here and there to try to control us. I belived that there is a God but I did not believe in the bible because I thought it was tampered with. I now believe in God and have accepted Jesus Christ but this video would've been very helpful when I was doubtful
Yo this dope , I never thought these two channels would collab with each other.
Liars living for liars that’s dope
Whaaaat!!!???? CE and WDUM all wrapped into one???!!! This is awesome
Hey, where are my Meme-Team-Emojis?
Nice to see you here.
Slavery in the Bible isn't always necessarily the same as slavery that existed in America, Europe and around the world. Much of the "slavery" in the Bible is actually indentured servitude, where the person is in servitude to pay off a debt, after which they allowed to leave once that debt is paid off. They were also often given a portion of land for their own purposes. Some of these servants remained in servitude because of how well they were treated.
I agree.
Sooo, only some of the slavery condoned in the Bible is bad? Are you serious? The Bible explicitly condones buying people as property (as long as they're a different race than Hebrew) and owning them for life, selling one's daughters into sex slavery, owning virgin girls to use as you please, and beating slaves mercilessly and without punishment as long as they don't die. How is any of that remotely moral or acceptable? So what if some of the Hebrews worked off debt as indentured servants and were allowed to go free afterwards? You need to quit making excuses for the evil, immoral, jealous, genocidal, deceitful, arrogant, childish, petulent god you worship. He's disgusting.
@@kylerichardson1242 All I'm saying is that a lot of people misconstrue what is indentured servitude in the Bible as slavery, of which it is not. Of course there was actual slavery back then.
@@jhamilton1007 Right. There was actual slavery. Decreed by God. The same God that is supposed to be the source for our moral behavior. The problem is not that some people don't know that some Hebrews worked as indentured servants. The problem is that Christians ignore the fact that God supports actual, chattel slavery and racism. This is abhorent and disqualifies Christianity as a viable religion.
@@kylerichardson1242 Show proof of your accusations.
I’ve seen Jon McCray’s series on what the Bible says about slavery. They are a must see.
Every country in the ancient world had it: Africans, Vikings, Mayans, Chinese...all
So? If God is a truly moral being he should have spoken out against it, right?
Question. I am a new sub to jon mcray on what do you meme. What is his background? Is he a pastor? He looks like he could be an awesome youth pastor
@youtube swallows awesome
I'm totally using this in my next debate. It's much easier than explaining each verse in context 😀
Would you like to practice your debate on me
take this verse too young homie
Genesis 9:25-27
New International Version
25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”
26 He also said,
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend Japheth’s[a] territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”
Japhet represents the European and Shem represents the Arab.. And in reality my ancestors were enslaved by the Europeans and before that they were more harshly enslaved by the Arabs for twice as long.
@Whats Hatnin People trying to endorse this BS makes my blood boil.
@@whatshatnin4572 Do you realize that Canaan, the land of Cannanites, sacrificed live babies on giant bull altars and burned them to death, while beating on drums, but yet you'll say, its immoral that God made them slaves.
@@krayziejerry they were killing babies according to who? To the authors of the bible who wanted their land. Politics bro. Put literaure out to make folks look bad so you can justify their oppression.
Why would bible god have a problem with human sacrifice? Ain't that what his son was for
Mythology can be very dangerous
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
First scripture that came to mind. Thank you for posting.
Truly truly I tell you anyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. John 8:34
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
"Whaddo You Meme Team...ASSEMBLE!" 📯
Does this mean whaddoyoumeme will be working for cross examine? Or was this a one off video?
He is in Cross Examined website 😳😳
Or maybe Jon excused himself to go to the bathroom while visiting and sneaked into Frank's office to make this video.
That's my conspiracy theory for the day.
@@livewireOrourke well you never know, tha would be funny 😂
@@livewireOrourke lol
Whaddoyoumeme on crossexamined. Yooo🙌
Have you seen the one with David Wood ??
The fact that you can even make a “slave Bible” where you just keep the pro slavery verses… just shows that it’s immoral, how slave owners used that is irrelevant to the fact that you can make a whole book out of pro slavery passages in the Bible
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
"A Militia has the right to keep and bear arms and shall not be infringed"
Two very different meanings and that's just 1 of the amendments. Easy right?
@@Noblility This is nowhere near an accurate analogy, if it were then it implies every pro slavery quote from the slave Bible is actually just specific words being taken and put in whatever context instead of actual and whole phrases, which is what it was. The slave Bible just cut out many parts of the Bible,it didn’t rearrange whole sentences to create pro slavery verses, the pro slavery verses were already there, they just took out everything else
@@Noblility use an actual quote from the slave Bible that did the same thing as your example and you would’ve proved your point, but it doesn’t exist so you had to create a false analogy
@@colemastrosimone5934 See he never came back
Not that he needs to refute what you said. It's pretty clear that there's context we don"t understand in the Bible. None of us were alive back then.
Even now most of us aren't in the slightest spiritual, but are closer to being spiritually dead. We constantly put our own wisdom ahead of God's, heck, many deny God even exists.
God though often tries to meet people where they are at, but it's not always possible that we can do the same back.
There's stuff God allowed at one point but wouldn't necessarily allow now. There's stuff God currently allows through mercy and grace, that he doesn't actually condone or want to stay in that state.
Taking parts of scripture out if the book and separating them from everything else doesn't make sense. If one understands how the book works, what it represents, the point of using analogies and similes, etc., etc...
Ikw that people used the bible in this way but I didn't know that they removed books from the bible. Thanks for this info/video
I too, didn't know that...
At least, I thought that it wasn't quite that blatant.
LOVE that you are on cross examined.
Greatest crossover in history
This is a great crossover.
When did this collab happen? Thought this was another bored TH-camr who just wanted to be on TV. I love Cross Examine/Frank Turek but only randomly watched this guy a couple times. Strange.
He has great information. Watch his three part series on slavery and you won’t be disappointed. They are hands down the best videos I’ve seen on the topic.
@@gigahorse1475 Definitely!
“Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.”
1 Corinthians 7:23 KJV
“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” Let anyone who hears this say, “Come.” Let anyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who desires drink freely from the water of life. And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.”
Revelation 22:17-19 NLT
“Therefore, I make this decree: If any people, whatever their race or nation or language, speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they will be torn limb from limb, and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble. There is no other god who can rescue like this!””
Daniel 3:29 NLT
““Pay close attention to all my instructions. You must not call on the name of any other gods. Do not even speak their names.”
Exodus 23:13 NLT““
“Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed. Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God. If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant.”
Galatians 1:8-10 NLT
The Bible is very clear about the punishment for this crime against the Kingdom of Heaven and His people. Who will make it right? 🤔
God bless you and keep you!
I have to admit that the heading of your video had me upset, and I want to thank you for 2 lessons I found in your content. Be blessed and fruitful sir.
You mean you thought he was going to put that evil barbaric Bronze Age fairytale textbook on blast but instead he lied for it?
@@Jambuc829 that part!!
Yeah but since he said “just ignore the pro slavery parts... they’re not that important... source:trust me bro..” you’re like yeah THIS is what I came for! 😂😂😂😂
@@kay-collins you missed the point entirely, it was click bait and explaining why that statement is not true.
Very good video. Even without the slave Bible many used to use verses out of context in order to carry on with a wicked agenda of slavery. That's why context, context, context is very important.
Could you quote me exodus 21:20-21 and Lev 25:44-46? And show me in what context ou are reffering to?
@@trepinne6840 I'm not sure what your point is?
@@oterosocram25 you mentioned how context is very important. How is context important for those verses?
This slave Bible is the perfect example of how to preserve history. In a MUSEUM. Not flying high and proud like the confederate flag or standing in the middle of the town center as an honored statue. Never forget history. Good and bad.
Ive been waiting for this
Thank you for this 👍
Revelation 22:19 KJV
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
There were slavery rules in the bible, but transatlantic slavery was unbiblical according to those rules. Slavery condoned by God was more as an indentured servitude and had strict rules as to how the "slave" was to be treated.....
If those slavers really cared about what the Bible said about slavery... the transatlantic slave trade wouldn’t even exist. People who captured others and sold them as slaves were to be executed according to the OT law.
Boss and employee....that is what God is speaking about
@@alvincelestin2210 yeah pretty much. in fact, all the laws God put making it sound like the masters were actually serving the slaves so they could have food to eat, money to buy out of their slavery
Absolutely. The Bible condoned indentured servitude not some much slavery. In the Bible people sold themselves into slavery to avoid starvation or complete destruction. Thus servitude was initiated by the servant not the master and released on the year of jubilee. Servants also had rights and the Bible is clear those who kidnapped a man and sold into slavery were to be put to death. The antebellum slavery was strictly prohibited in the Bible as it was the same slavery that God had spared Israel from at the hands of Pharaoh.
That's not entirely true. Yes, some of the slavery described is indentured servitude and some isn't. Why can't you people be honest about this!?
It's like the guy said, you have to take the bible as a whole not just pick and choose, so yeah while it says things that may empower slaves it also explicitly condones slavery and gives exact instructions on how to be a slave and a slave owner, just because they took out things that they thought might have slaves stand up for themselves or whatever doesn't mean that the book doesn't condone slavery, to say otherwise is to literally ignore the words on the pages of the bible
It’s great to see Jon here.
Nice! Love seeing Jon on Whaddo You Cross Examine? 😂
In my experience, people who use the slavery passages to criticize God and the Bible don't care nearly as much about slavery as they do criticizing God and the Bible to justify their own rejection of Him. It's a convenient tool. A stone to throw so to speak.
They invest no time in learning about the rights and protections God provided for slaves by punishing His own people for abuse of them. They also don't consider that many people had to sell themselves just to survive because they were born into extreme poverty. Or that it was a provision for the widows and orphans of nations Israel conquered in battle. Or that Israelites were prohibited from kidnapping anyone and were commanded to take in runaway slaves and care for them. No, that harms the "God is a moral monster" narrative. Regardless, it was the world's system of the time and every nation had a hand in it but no one did it with more civility than Israel. Thanks be to God.
But since most of those same critics also say God doesn't exist and the Bible isn't true then none of that happened and there goes the accusation.
Is owning people good? Is owning another human moral!? This is a yes or no question.
@@jacoblee5796 You're not going to box me into yes or no. At the time, there was a context to that question and that's what the subject of the video is. In regards to the examples I gave, I'd say it was better for someone to sell themselves to survive or provide for their family than to starve to death out of poverty and homelessness.
So in that way, it could be good to let someone work for a living rather than starve.
I also question where you get morality from if not from God.
@@jacoblee5796 your straw man response is uncanny, but instead of replying to you with my answer, check out whaddo you meme’s video on it my friend, I promise you he explains it as you go throughout- if not and you simply don’t want to understand more then I pray that you have a blessed day my friend.
@@festushaggen2563
No we’re just pointing out the bible is not a book to get your morals from.
@@Columbo-r4z pointing out by selectively editing the Bible, lol!
This is another example of the bible contradicting itself.
Thank you for pointing it out for everyone.
They took out the parts that looked like they disagreed with slavery, and kept the parts that clearly support it...
That is literally what they did. Yet then I claims this some how supports the side that it doesn't promote slavery. Lmao just wow. I didn't hear once how they added parts that promoted being owned or forced to work. Kinda dishonest of this person.
That fact that it has parts that support it is bad itself
You guys are a bunch of uneducated doofuses. The Bible doesn't contradict itself unless you take parts out that clarify how to read and use other parts of it.
The Old Testament clearly states that to own another person is a crime punishable by death.
The OT also talks about arrangements to be made when a person worked for another person, i.e. indentured servitude, or in modern parlance, setting up an EA (enterprise agreement) with your boss for agreed wages for services rendered. The OT also talks about bond service, i.e. a service performed to pay back for an aggrievement that you've committed to another party, like a prison sentence. Back then there were no prisons and corporal punishment, i.e. the death penalty was only punishments for crimes committed where you've effectively killed someone, i.e. you've actually killed someone, you've raped someone, paedophilia, you've falsely accused someone of a crime where the punishment would be death if they were convicted (meaning you were trying to have them murdered by the authorities) or in other words grievous perjury. Crimes that were committed where you've effectively damaged or stolen someone's property required that the offender make restitution by either paying them back, normally at a multiple if the offence was intended, or if unintentional at the price of the damage. If the offender couldn't pay them back then the offender was allowed to work off their debt and there were strict guidelines to ensure that the offender wasn't being mistreated by the person aggrieved.
As for the New Testament, passages that look like they support slavery, they do not. To understand this you need to understand when the letter was written in history and the circumstances of the people at the time.
At the time historians believe that about a third of the Roman empire's (RE) population consisted of slaves, not indentured servants (paid labour) but people who were owned by another person, which according to Christians was a crime still punishable by death. Early on the RE was not influenced by Christians (or Jews since Christianity is the continuation of the covenant that God promised thru the Jews) so ownership of people was rife, something that the modern world of politics is slyly trying to push thru corrupt policies and media manipulation today.
Now if Paul or the apostles asked that the law be adhered to strictly (which they did repeatedly) then nearly a third of the RE's population would die of starvation since they had no way to feed themselves. So they gave instruction to change the world around them such that the politics allowed for the slaves to be freed and that a person was given their due wage but the complete setting free of every slave required time, which God foreknew and slowly worked into history even though mankind resists doing good and keeps reverting to evil ways. So by the end of the RE the % of slaves had dropped quite significantly and women were no longer treated as property but started having rights equal to men, which the Bible has always supported since Adam and Eve are two equal halves of the one who all people come from (genetics proves this, mitochondrial Eve anyone?).
After that because of the constant infiltration of non-believers in God within higher politics within different emerging empires and controlling hierarchies, slavery made a comeback, time and time again. Not just amongst black people but in all people of every stripe.
It wasn't until William Wilberforce and Abraham Lincoln, men who required that the Bible be adhered to in government decision making, was there action taken to abolish slavery. An action that cost nearly 2/3rds of the world economies. But still the non-believers continue to bring back slavery in it's different forms, like stealing young girls chance at making a name for themselves by transgenderism therefore forcing them into lower positions, or in foreign countries they take them and sell them into prostitution. Or foreign countries going into poor countries and offering miserly prices for organs that a person can ill afford to lose.
Before you doofuses read ANY TEXT that comes from a historical setting PLEASE read up on what was going on at the time or what kind of atrocities WERE ACTUALLY related to it (if it was bad like different Marxist regimes promoting subordination of a group) before you give it your thumbs up or thumbs down.
@@samstapes7471 Slavery itself isn't bad! It's how it's done and how people are treated. The slavery allowed by God in the Old Testament applied to Israel and their dealings with the Canaanites and surrounding people. These people were so perverse and evil, that God made examples of them. Slavery was one of their punishments. The Atlantic slave trade where light skinned people exploited dark skinned people by going in, colonizing them, then taking them abroad simply for free labor is no way near what God told and allowed Israel to do. Who are we to question God actually! Just because WE don't like something or disagree with something doesn't give us the right to pit our puny finite brains against the infinite mind of God who is outside time and space! God specially created the nation of Israel. No other nation was created like this. God told them to take Canaan because the Canaanites and related peoples there took evil to whole new levels of debauchery and abomination. God told Israel to utterly destroy them and on occasion allowed them to take spoils of conquest, including women and kids. Look! It ain't meant to be pretty! It ain't meant to be rainbows and unicorns! There's things in the Bible that are ugly, harsh, and nightmarish! It shows what God thinks of sin and evil. Canaan had their chances and God took them out. However, there's also things in the Bible that tell how slaves should be treated. It also tells us in the Ten Commandments how we should treat others, this would include slaves which are others. In order to understand the Bible as it should be, one needs the power of the Holy Spirit to guide and give clarity. Reading it in our own strength we miss out. Also, most take verses out of context, way out of context in many instances. We can't cherry-pick it like that without losing the big picture.
very well-said!! GREAT!!
Yo, are you permanently on the cross examined team now?
People should stop confusing God's will with man's sinful actions. Another problem is that for many non-Christians, they will only read what they want to and come to the conclusion that fits their beliefs.
There’s only one will and that’s the will of man god doesn’t have a will because god is a fictional character
@@hughjanus2781 I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Although I was not always a bible believing Christian, I am now. The most witnessed and documented event in all of human history was that of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I could go on and on about the facts and truths of Christianity but none of that will make a difference to someone who loves their sin. The belief in Jesus Christ is an issue of the heart, not an issue of the head. I pray that someday, James, you, too, might know the joy that only the true belief in Jesus Christ can bring. More importantly, that you might be saved from the judgement of God whom who say is a fictional character.
Outstanding history lesson. Thank you
No it’s not it’s lies
@@Jambuc829 please clarify your position. No the Bible did support slavery or no did support slavery. Cause USA slavery 1800 v/s biblical practices. Apples and Oranges to me.
@Chris Davis 1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
@Chris Davis Exodus 21:20-21
Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
@Chris Davis Leviticus 25:44-46
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Oh, I didn't notice that this was cross examined lmao
If God was against slavery, why did He have any parts in the Bible that support it? Why was it possible to make a "slave bible" by KEEPING IN parts of the Bible? If God were truly against slavery, there should be no parts of the Bible that could be used in a "slave bible."
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because all this religious stuff is nonsense, but people are too indoctrinated and/or cowardly to let it go.
Don't you know that it wasn't lile slavery in America (cough cough, check out Louisiana slave laws at the time) it was slavery++. The nice kind of ownership of other human beings.
Why is this on Frank Turek's channel?
People also don't realize or want to accept that the bible is written in old language, that the definitions for words do not match up the same as they do today or they used differemt words entirely. You need to study the old language and their definitions in order to grasp the correct context in which the words were used.
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I don't know how anyone could read all the scriptures in the Bible pertaining to slavery and not think that the Bible condones slavery.
Great crossover
But yet, the "redacted" bible that was given to the slaves DOES support slavery. We'll just ignore that aspect, though; right?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 16th to 19th centuries. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8- 10).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
I highly recommend people watch the real history of Africa. It can be viewed on You Tube on BBC News Africa channel and it is called ‘History of Africa with Zeinab Badawi’, it is a 21 part series and it talks about the Real history of Africa including how slavery really began there and what countries enslaved men, women, and children and the atrocities they faced. It also talks about the plethora rich cultures, art, architecture, the lands, resources, battles, and slavery, note: they do talk about Evolution (Evilution, because it is false). Hope you will check it out.
Slave trading is punishable by death in the old testament, Exodus 21:16. 1st Timothy 1:8-11 prohibits slave trading.
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The Bible did not condone chattel slavery. Defining the term is important from a historical perspective.
The same chains you use to bound will be used to bound you.
Thank you for valuable knowledge. I did not know this.
However, the bibel still has passages of slavery as an ordinary thing. point in case Ephesians 6:5.
If the bible does not accept slavery, how is one supposed to understand statements like those?
The bible is a handbook on slavery. Not only does it endorse. It also goes further by providing instructions on how what shall be carried out.
For anyone who is not a believer in God this is a no brainer.
the reason why they excluded certain verses from the slave bible was because if they included books like Exodus, the slaves would’ve realised that it would’ve been right for them to revolt like the Israelites against pharaoh.
also, the fact that the slave owners were even able to use verses to make a slave bible to justify their actions is damming in and of itself.
When they added to, and took away from God’s word, they rendered themselves cursed (Revelation 22:18-19), for the love of money, social status, pleasure of the flesh/rape and sodomy.
Exodus 21:16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.”
Yeah, that’s pretty condemning about stealing humans and making slaves of them. Slavery in the OT tended to be more about “self slavery”. How you could sell yourself to pay off a debt to someone. The laws about “slavery” and “being obedient to your masters”, is equivalent to being obedient at a job. If you enlist in the military for food, housing, etc. You’re also expected to listen to everything your leaders say. And if you don’t listen to them, you’ll be punished.
Stealing people and enslaving them was punishable by death in the OT. The laws about “slavery” are basically laws about how they shouldn’t go to far to misuse someone who sold themselves, and why the people who sold themselves should be obedient to pay off a debt. Now people removed verses like exodus 21:16 as a way to condone slavery. It’s simple. God doesn’t want slavery, otherwise why would he demand Egypt to “let his people go” who were in slavery for 400 years. God is good.
That's forbidding the kidnapping of free individuals and selling them into slavery. Simply buying people as slaves is condoned within the Bible, as is taken the surviving women and children of other tribes after you have killed their men in battle
Moot point and you know it
_"Why did they have to take these small verses out of context... while keeping them ignorant of the rest of the Bible"_
Because the Bible sends mixed messages about slavery. It fully supports slavery in some situations, and opposes it in others. For example, it often opposed slavery of God's chosen people, but allowed slavery of foreigners.
Notice the distinction made in this verse:
_"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."_ Lev 25:44-46
What version of the Bible did you get that quote from? I went to mine and it does not say that.
@@dickersoncharlie4961 NIV. What version did you use?
@@incredulouspasta3304 I read it out of the KJV, but either way, they say the same thing, the KJV calles them bondsmen/ bondsmaids but they are both still slaves either way in the end.
@@dickersoncharlie4961 Right. Bondsman is just old-speak for slave.
@@dickersoncharlie4961it is in the NIV, so i really have no idea which bible you are reading.
😆 I love how far out of the way you people go to defend your book. Entertaining value
Exactly, the book clearly endorses slavery but they will do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to keep their comforting fictions alive. 😬
Exactly
William Wilberforce (1759-1833), the famous British abolitionist and Christian, is often brought up as an example of Christianity producing a movement against slavery. The main problem with this view is that nearly everyone in Europe and America was a Christian, the vast majority of whom were not against the practice. A very tiny amount of believers had opposed slavery in the 1500 years that Christianity had dominated Europe since the Emperor Constantine made this religion legal within the Roman Empire in 313 CE/AD. In the late 1700s and early 1800s, European abolitionists learned that biblical passages did not help their cause. They eventually began primarily using secular arguments by necessity. One major reason that it took Wilberforce 46 years to convince his countrymen to complete the abolition process in the British Empire was because a huge percentage of the clergy, government leadership, and the general public stood firmly on the view that slavery and racial inequality were natural, culturally normative, and biblical. Along with their Christian ancestors for hundreds of years that created and sustained New World colonial slavery with biblical justifications, the conservatives in Britain and America were among the main forces that resisted 18th and 19th century abolition laws. During Wilberforce’s sustained and rigorous efforts, it took 20 years (1787-1807) to get the slave trade legally ended and another 26 years (1807-1833) to make slavery itself illegal. Why would God provide such a misleading revelation? Or, in this case, is it more accurate to say that modern Christians developed a more heightened humanitarian sensibility because of the rise of Enlightenment humanism?
The bible itself Is anti African. Christians get no points for enslaving Africans and getting wealthy and hundreds of years later try to stop it...
Jesus himself said Slaves obey your masters in Peter 2:18 the fact that Kayne west worships him might explain why he likes Hitler so much
Here is my question. I ask respectfully and honestly. Nobody alive has ever been a slave and nobody alive has ever owned a slave. Slavery is illegal in the USA. So why is slavery hung onto like a dog with a bone? There are sex slaves of all colors being trafficked but thats it in America. Why not let go of it and move on? I think it holds black people back from success in their lives if they dwell on this as if it happened to them personally. They feel defeated and angry and it will eat you up inside. I have had so many horrible things happen to me personally in my life ,but I had to find a way to forgive because I was so bitter and angry and resentful that it was ruining my life. Lets all just move on, help each other and replace all that with love for all human beings and make our own happiness and forgive what happened to other people by other people in the past for our own sakes. The best revenge you can get is by being successful in your life and rising above it. It was terrible and sad but its over now and it was generations ago. Lets stop all this evil and hatred and violence and just learn to live together. And lets stop with the gangs killing each other. Replace anger and hatred with love and forgiveness so we can all have peace . Lets hand it to the Lord to take care of. Please.
It's the Marxist way.
@@renewedautodiagnostics6525 what's the Marxist way?
Exodus 21:20-21, “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21 If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property [lit. money].”
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The slave masters didn't _have_ to take out those verses - and indeed, most slave masters did not. This was something done by _missionaries_ rather than slave owners, and the rationale was that blacks should not get any ideas of _equality._ That the Bible condones slavery is a fact as clear as day. Not only does the Old Testament explicitly condone the chattel slavery of non-Jews, but the New Testament tells slaves to be obedient to their masters, and hard working. The omitted verse mentioned in this video, that "there is neither bond nor free, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus", obviously refers to the hereafter - _not_ life on Earth.
But here's the thing, though: most slaves had access to the complete Bible, and were very aware of the story of Moses and the Hebrews in bondage. "Oh! Let My People Go" is a 19th century spiritual, the precursor to Go Down, Moses, and was popular among slaves. These "slave Bibles" weren't as common as all that - as evidenced by the noticeable lack of extant copies.
And let's not forget, pro-slavery advocates used the Bible to support slavery in debates with white abolitionists, who were certainly not given slave Bibles. Yes, abolitionists used the Bible in their abolitionist arguments, but the only way they could get any head-way was to refer to compassion towards one's fellow man, as prescribed in the Bible - because there really wasn't much of an argument to be made against the institution of slavery itself going by the Bible.
As an honest Christian, I have to admit that the Bible does support a very specific form of slavery, or even violence against the slaves, not only in the Old Covenant, but also confirms it in the New Covenant, so Christians should stop acting like it doesn't, because they're only fooling themselves. However, the reason why the Bible supports those things, is because it doesn't make a distinction between a modern prison-system, and between slavery as such, so the biblical slavery is basically a primitive method of dealing with the criminals, and have nothing to do with chattel slavery.
What form?
Debt slavery like in Exodus or chattel like in Lev 25:44-46?
So the Bible has both pro slavery and anti slavery verses? Almost like there's a contradiction. Spoiler alert: the Bible is full of those.
When taken into context no contradictions. The bible talks about having servants not about forcing people to serve you thats the context about slavery
@@maow9240 Read Leviticus 25:44-46
@@ADMusic1999 that changes nothing of what I've said its still about having servants not about forcing people to serve you. Biblically it was a way for people with little to nothing to be able to work and be provided for and Leviticus 25:44-46 doesn't change that as plenty of people sold themselves into slavery as that provided the best protection for them in their situation and the scripture you brought up simply is pointing out that other nations had slaves so these people were already in a bad situation before the Israelites even met the individual so for the Israelites to purchase slaves from the nations around them really benefited the slave as it would result in that slave coming from a nation that lacked rules protecting them unlike the Israelites who even had rules that allowed slaves to run away or volunteer to stay a servant to their master.
@@maow9240 It looks like you are reading into it something that isn't there. The Bible said the word "slaves" constantly. Maybe because there was no distinction between forced and voluntary servitude. Back then, slaves could've been bought, seized through wars, or been volunteered servants who had debts to pay off. Either way, there was no foreknowledge that slavery would've evolved into the evil institution that began in the 17th century. If the Bible was written by the people of ancient times for the people of ancient times, then I will give it a pass and say that they didn't know any better back then. But if you want to claim that the Bible was written by the one true, spaceless, timeless, all powerful, omnibenevolent God, then there's an issue.
What slavery did the Bible describe? A slavery where you can get male and female slaves from the nations around you and you may keep them forever. Their children and their entire families can be your property and you may bequeath them to your offspring. If a slave is disobedient, you are allowed to beat them but not to the point of death. If they can survive a few days after to the beating and then die due to their wounds, then it is not your fault because slaves are your property. A slave cannot talk back, argue, or in any way disrespect their master because they are supposed to show reverence for him just as they do for God.
All I did was summarize a few biblical passages and put them all together. That was all I had to do to perfectly recreate the brutal type of slavery institutionalized in the South a few centuries ago. Either the Bible was written by some fallible humans who didn't know any better, or your God sounds a lot like a white supremacist.
@@ADMusic1999 you seem to be reading something into it that isnt there. They were treated as servants and weren't even to be threatened amd no ot doesnt say " if they disobey them you can beat them ad long as they don't die in a coiplr.days buy its ok for them to die after those couples because they are your property" biblically they were servants. You can't blame God for humans abusing their authority. Biblically it was not like the south. And before you cherry pick exodus 21:20-21 the context is clear when you look at the surrounding scriptures of exodus 21:18-25 which was about fighting amd what would happen to the person you beat up be it a slave or a non slave amd how to handle it. It does not say you cam beat slaves just because they are your slaves but is far from it
Please explain the "context" in which this verse should be taken:
"Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
It is YOU, and your fellow apologists, who are taking verses out of context.
"[50] And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him. [51] If there be yet many years behind, according unto them he shall give again the price of his redemption out of the money that he was bought for. [52] And if there remain but few years unto the year of jubile, then he shall count with him, and according unto his years shall he give him again the price of his redemption. [53] And as a yearly hired servant shall he be with him: and the other shall not rule with rigour over him in thy sight. [54] And if he be not redeemed in these years, then he shall go out in the year of jubile, both he, and his children with him."
-Leviticus 25:50-54, King James Bible
@@paulnash6944
That verse applied to Hebrew slaves of non-Hebrew masters. Not foreign slaves of Hebrew masters, who were never set free.
Context, boy. Context.
Try again? I'll give you a 2nd shot.
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The irony of them saying the Bible is a whole book, and you don’t get to pick and choose... while the Protestant reformers did just that. Luther wanted to remove the book James, and the other reformers removed numerous book in the Old Testament.
whoa, hold the phone...when did Jon become part of Cross Examined?? That's pretty cool.