Killing joke is so underrated and unsung it’s a tragedy !!! Absolutely responsible for a ton of modern rock and metal !!! So glad you did this video and recognized this great band !!!
CIRCLE OF TONE. Absolutely brother, shared this to Facebook, so hopefully you will get some more subs.....I run a recording studio out of my house, and I’m always telling bands about your channel. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
exactly. It is an interesting journey how for example Crust punk exists as we know it thanks to the Amebix which were heavilly influenced by Killing Jokes.
Heh. The memories. Love like blood was the second ever song I learned on electrical guitar, and Eighties was the fourth. Ye gods. The fun we had. Growing old sucks big hairy donkey balls 😣.
The way you tell these stories.. This has become one of my favorite channels on TH-cam. It's like tuning into an old late night show on American PBS TV. Great stuff! 😊
Dude, thank you so much for this. KJ are one of my hugest influences and like you say, never cease to impress and to blow me away with how passionate, insightful and highly musical they are. I love all their albums and continue to watch them closely. "In Cythera" pretty much got me through ending my life when my girlfriend passed away last year. True story. Jaz' openess to his spirituality has also guided me to new insights concerning spirit, metaphysics and "quantum immortality" - which have also been life savers for me. Long live Killing Joke.
Was fortunate enough to see Killing joke when they came to Boston in support of the 2003 record. As a bass player, I was up front screaming at Raven while my brain glitched trying to decipher Geordie's tone. One of my favorite bands of all time and thank you for this
Geordie was my guitar idol in 1981..i was 17 years of age and a cheerleader in high school. I bought a guitar after hearing the Killing Joke song, " Change". I referred to Geordie's style as jagged punk.. Love Killing Joke!
@@helter2K10 It really won't. Gave up on them a decade ago. Hope it works for you but don't go there expecting wonders. Was just listening to the MFSL pressing of Floodland last night. Better than I remember it but still not a patch on FALAA.
whssy haha thanks for the warning - I am a nostalgic nerd so will still enjoy it I am sure - I just hope Doktor Avalanche is in form :) it’s was a great period for music though and I am glad that all these classic bands are still touring because I get to tick off music bucket lists
@@CIRCLEOFTONE A 12 string electric was used on some/all of the songs on First and Last and Always, and can be seen wielded live. I am very invested in the band's early sound, so please get in touch.
Killing Joke are much appreciated by fellow musicians. For one band to have both Mettalica & Foo Fighters cover them is a testament to their talent. Geordie , the best " rhythm " guitarist ever ? Maybe !
Love this video... found you by way of your amazing John McGeoch video then your Robert Smith one. Although not Goth, Hugh Cornwells /Stranglers 1st post Punk album "Black & White" is such a stark brutal genius album... check out Hughs guitar sound on it. As always JJ Burnels bass on this album just ramps up the sledgehammer smashing brutal sound even more than on any previous songs/albums, especially on the song "Tank". Add to that dear departed Dave Greenfields soaring archipelago keyboards & you've a stark, bleak industrial sounding music of doom. You really should do a programme about the Stranglers. Subbed.
Killing Jokes Geordie has influenced many industrial and metal bands but none of them have his sound, it is massive and has an amazing clarity and is more of a punk sound which cuts through the mix.He should be more discussed in guitar forums especially his use of uncommon chords.
Along with Piggy (Voivod) and John McGeoch Geordie was an unsung guitar hero of the eighties. All three of these guys were masters of dissonance and unusual chord voicings.
I really love this style of in depth video about gear, and the people, places, rather than just a list of the gear. the lists are nice, but seeing all your research, photos, video clips, and shouts to other youtubers is great. i'm not well versed in metal and certainly not punk or goth, so I'm always learning new bands through you that are amazing! this is certainly one of them.
Great video, good to see Killing Jokes attention to detail, originality and ethos being discussed. An amazing band with an incredible guitarist who's sound Jaz Coleman described as Fire from Heaven
Love the comments about Raven. Back in 1990 at a NYC release party for the Killing Joke Vinyl Box Set (of the first 5 albums) I met Geordie, Martin Atkins (who was playing drums at the time), & Paul Raven. Paul actually hung out with my girlfriend & I, buying us drinks & hitting on her which I didn't care about because he accepted a demo of my punk band. :D RIP Raven.
Great episode and what an utterly killer band Killing Joke is-to this day. Back in the early 80's, as a headbanger, I got a lot of flak for liking bands like Killing Joke,, Siouxsie and also punk. Geordie is totally unique in all of his playing. The other members are nothing less either, which certainly explains the Killing Joke awesomness on all levels.
Years ago I remember Geordie, arseholed, just before he went onstage, looks down at his guitar roadie and says, "Which IS stage right and stage left?". Clacssic rock 'n' roll moments of our time. I had no option but to just applaud him and smile. John Peel? The man who gave it all to UK youngsters in the grey UK 1970's. It's pissing down here right now, by the way!
Good video. Just to clarify, despite what it says in the documentary, it was actually the reception area of `Melody Maker` where Jaz did his infamous liver dump-They used to have a kind of indie music Gossip Column called TTT every week in the publication and they printed a picture of Jaz in a swimming pool from a few years earlier and made some disparaging comments- He was one of their regular targets because he was so outspoken and disparaging of the music press and they used to use it to get back at him i guess- but the funny thing is is that the Melody Maker were probably the most supportive music paper (followed by `Sounds` )of the band at the time- especially in the mid-eighties- they seemed to have a love/hate relationship with the band- In the end of year readers polls that they used to run KJ would often get `Best live act.`
Thanks for this enjoyable watch. I'm in my early 40's, and really have only had passing knowledge of KJ up until this lockdown started. They are hidden somehow, as I've been a music fan all my life. I've been watching a lot of videos. What makes them a heavy band in my view is their intensity - it's incredible. Massive respect for Geordie's playing - heavy, melodic, clever.
EDIT: Just found out about the death of Geordie. Gutted. What a massive loss to art and sub culture. RIP. Here is the tribute to Paul Raven th-cam.com/video/9VQwX9h6kWo/w-d-xo.html
@@HeavyMetalTones yep I should have mentioned him more. It's more about the 80's era but when I talked about the Peel track I should have mentioned him.
LOVE Killing Joke! Geordie is brilliant. So unique in both sound and musical choices. Jazz is crazy. Influenced everyone from Metallica to Ministry to Fear Factory and Godflesh.
As I said many episodes ago he is the most exquisite guitars of the past 40 years and well done for trying to get to Jaz vocals tough gig. Spent a very pleasant afternoon with jazz uncle back in the 90’s at his local pub
You're killing it with this series! I'd love to see you cover Adam & the Ants. I'm not sure if Marco Pirroni has a particular signature sound (between the spaghetti-western twang and the punkier riffs and feedback) but you could discuss his playing style, songwriting, gear, impact, etc. My favorites are from the Ants era (Press Darlings, Beat My Guest, Prince Charming, Physical) but Marco rules on the solo stuff as well.
Great video! I actually inherited a bass flight case that Dave Ball used to use. Still has all of the luggage stickers on and the joker logo painted inside!
I remember most of all how much the Burman head weighed... and the cab was the heaviest cab I have ever moved... don't remember it being that great at generating an overdriven sound... but that was over 3 decades ago... Peel introduced me to Killing Joke... amongst others and Requiem for me still is one of the best songs ever...
Congrats for the awesome work put into these Goth Broth series. You should give a chance to Fields Of The Nephilim, anything from The Nephilim album or from Elizium. They're probably one of the most underrated bands from this 80s genre, their sound was huge. The album Elizium was recorded by Andy Jackson, known for his work with Pink Floyd. Even Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin was a big fan of the band.
Another great episode! If you feel like doing requests, how about Herbage from Department S.? Sure, they took a huge step away from the punk roots of the scene in their looks, but they definitely nailed the Zeitgeist with their sound and lyrics. And much as "Is Vic there?" is probably their only well-known song - "I Want" is so much better! Amazingly, they are actually still making music, too.
A couple more of Killing Joke’s interesting sonic attributes you didn’t mention: A) Jaz Coleman’s Oberheim OB-X synthesizer. Their secret weapon that punctuates all my favorite tracks from the first five albums. A legendary synthesizer in its own right, it’s incredibly cool how Jaz incorporated it into their music. B) Martin “Youth” Glover, their original bass player and founding member. While I’m sure they were all massive dub reggae enthusiasts, Youth’s entire vibe was right up there with Jah Wobble as far as the whole Punky Reggae/White Boy Reggae/Post-Punk Dub thing goes. Amazing basslines and style.
I think Raven was the one that figured out how to play bass to Gordie's guitar. Gordie's guitar playing is so unusual that many bass players would be mystified on how to play bass to it. I think Youth heard what Raven was doing on the bass, and he got it. When Raven passed, and Youth came back in Youth was able to pick up right away with what to do with the bass.
Compressor, distortion, dimension C, hall reverb. Use stereo outputs. P90 pickups. The rest is down to your ears. Down to what you play. Diminished and dissonant chords will help. Make your own up.
Tom Morello I was surprised to learn that he uses the single coil neck pickup for rhythms on all his guitars like all Walker along too. For solos he barely ever switches to the bridge. When I picked up Killing Joke's recent record Pylon a few years back, not only did I like it, I was intrigued on how great it sounded for high gain for P90s pickups. It sounds like he is using the neck pickup on it too, not sure but still, it's different versus what most are doing in the modern era.
i agree. Owen you're a great singer man! it's always a pleasure to hear your recreations. don't tell anyone, but in almost every case i like your vocals more than the originals! probably the only exception would be Type O... because well... it's Type O. but even those i liked as much, and that's pretty remarkable.
Hey mate!! I just came upon your channel via searching Mcgeoch, Magazine & Banshees songs..gd job!! Dunno how youd've gone saying Joke were goth in 79/80? def anarcho punk, as their early gigs will show. What about Bauhaus or the Birthday Party? Tracy Pews baselines are priceless!! So is the whole band tho...luv the analysis of gear used (& yer rant was spot on!). Wish ld caught you 3yrs back...but cheers anyhow! Question everything!✌️
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Wintergarden!! Yeah l see what ya mean! Cd be the Cure til Jaz comes in.. KJ are a brilliant band, l thought they were goin a bit soft.. then they bought Pandemonium out!! Thanks mate..no doubt we'll yak soon!✌️
the morris dancers made me laugh so much English haka lol. Great vid my knowledge of KJ was limited to Communion etc so was really interesting watch and listen
He actually switches from bridge to the middle position on that “live at the tube” video. I haven’t actually seen any occasion where he used just the neck pickup on its own, but the middle position (apart from being hum cancelling) is his go to rhythm tone, and flicks over to bridge for a more aggressive tone. Another good example is Frenzy, you can really hear the difference from when he’s in the middle position to the bridge. The PA:CE/Bell ADT has a very interesting history too, the original pedals actually had four delay lines and was designed to be a tri chorus/true double tracking type effect. Once PA:CE bought them out and release the desktop unit version, the circuit was completely changed. The ones Geordie uses are actually very similar to the Deluxe Memory Man, it uses a single MN3005 delay chip with an LFO to modulate the delay time, it’s basically a chorus/flanger but with a super long delay time range. He did switch to some sort of rack units from the mid 80s onwards too (you can see them on the side of the stage with the ADT units on top of them), but I’ve been unable to find out or confirm what these effects were.
I believe Jaz has two daughters. Imagine "Moooom! Dad's being a witch again!" Don't forget Youth, original and current bassist with the band. Similarly Big Paul was an original member and current member, but some of the drummers in between, like Martin Atkins, and some American kid named Grohl should get a shout out.
I am one of those losers who found out about Killing Joke from Metallica. Not even mad or ashamed about it, this band kicks ass and I am happy to have found them, no matter the route. I am also one of those bridge = rhythm/neck = lead pickup goons.... at least for metal/high gain. More rockin/low gain tones, definitely best to go the traditional way. Concerning your "where is the weird setups/gear" (paraphrase) section, I would like to mention that noise/grind bands (usually with silly subgenre names. ie - mince, splatter, gore, etc etc) use all sorts of whacky gear. Usually due to monetary issues, but there is definitely cool shit sometimes, but you are also correct in that most people just use the basics. I definitely use the SM57, but fuck Vintage 30's. Eminence Wizards, baby. Or Creambacks if you can swing the cash.
aye aye on the micing advice captain!! so true - if everyone would get their heads out of their arses when it came to 'tone' and looked for it where it really lives and not in the finish or wood of the guitar or coils in pickups wound from virgins in the hills
Oh, those old Trace Elliot 410" cabs have been kind of oversized. They had massive oomph. No need for a 15" cab if you stack two of those 410" cabs. Those 15" cabs actually had less SPL, the 410" just swallowed them. Some members of www.bassic.ch , the biggest Bass community in the German speaking countries (Austria, Switzerland and Germany), started using their 410" + 115" stacks upside down, with the 15" cab on top of the 410", so they started to hear the 15" cab because it is nearer to the ear, and the 410" just had more low end because of the ground contact. I for myself switched to 410" cabs in the end of the 80's because I used 15" speakers during the late 70's and part of the 80's and never was really satisfied. Because a single 410", not to mention two of them stacked, could give me more oomph and more articulation than the 2 x 215" I had on stage before. I became a huge fan of big speakers with some membrain in the last 10 years again, having now a Tecamp L 215" and two custom made cabs with a 14" woofer (Yes, 14") and a 5" speaker for mids and high end (besides some 410", 212" and 810). Those 14" are modern woofers with lots of excursion, but are fast reacting and have punch I never have heard or felt. The Tecamp L 215" has modern neodym speakers in it that are fast, but don't have the excursion (Xmax) of those 14" woofers. For your interest: the 115" + 410" stack was the favourite stack of Mark King of Level 42. And as everybody liked his tone and wanted to sound like him, the absolute bullshit 410" + 115" became en vogue. Remember, a 410" cab nearly has twice the cone surface of a 115", this surface gets moved by 4 magnets, every one nearly as big as the one at the 15" speaker. So a 15" never had the SPL and the oomph (and articulation) of a 410", especially back in the days. There has been lots of research and progress in cab- and speaker construction, so 15" speakers are comming back, especially in lightweight cabs. But 410" cabs will allways be superior.
Yep but I'm talking about close micing. If you close mic a 10" vs a 15" bass freqs are lacking on a 10" but you get the upper mids as a tradeoff. I pref a 12" in general and that's what I used.
You mention at 19:35 that Raven couldn't go back to the UK.. I saw him play for the last time with KJ a couple of months before he died at the Astoria, unless I'm misunderstanding you. Fun fact if nobody has mentioned it, Nirvana stole their riff for Come as You Are from Killing Joke's Eighties, Jaz scrubbed it off after Kurt's death. Personally, I think you'll find most people that say they hate Jaz because they're fucking terrified of him. If you've met him he's a very big and very intimidating commodity, you'd have to be nuts to sit opposed to him as a journalist and tell him what you think he'd literally tear you to pieces. Also, I'm not an instrument tech so I have no clue, but one thing about Geordie has always fascinated me and that's his stroke of the strings. I've stood 4 feet in front of him for ages watching this delicate gentle waver that he uses to stroke his strings, I don't know what the tech-heads call that but it's unlike anything I've ever seen in any other guitar player. One last thing (again bear with me I don't know) but 'apparently' part of Geordies unique sound is because his guitar is deliberately de-tuned, I heard that somewhere a long time ago, thought it may have been mentioned here, maybe it's not a thing. Another great watch thanks for this one.
I took that Raven info re passports from an interview with Jaz. Well said re Geordies style. It's almost like a balladeer strum from folk. I never thought about it. All I know is that I'm a good guitarist and I sounded clunky compared to him. It's aggressive and graceful at the same time.
The Damned used this riff in Life goes on before Killing Joke and there was band from 60s using it even before them, but Cobain definetly riped off Kiling Jokes version, just slow it down and used more chorus
great postI have been chasing the dragon of geordies tone for years, and owned 4 paice adt units and they really are a one of a kind effect although I have never been able to own 2 adt,s at the same time though!
Hey if I want to set my Gretsch up to Geordie’s spec’s,what do I have to do..? From what I’m understanding I need a trapeze tailpiece and to P90 pickups ( any particular kind?) also what strings do I have to put on I know he uses heavier ones but are they 11s or 12s and what brand? You’re the guy to go to so I figured I’d ask
What model Gretsch do you have? I'd hate to see you mod an old one. It's a mistake a lot of people make. Haha. As it happens I saw this and thought it would be a good guitar to mod to get that vibe but it's a massive task. Greco EG-200 *Project Husk* 1960s '70s reverb.com/item/66052146?
You need a wraparound trapeze bridge, he tended to use heavier than normal strings (not sure of specifics) and I think the p90 output you are looking for is 8.5k .
"No-one sounds like Geordie. His guitar sounds like the end of the world has just arrived"
Agreed…I always thought of Godzilla when I heard his guitar
Killing joke is so underrated and unsung it’s a tragedy !!! Absolutely responsible for a ton of modern rock and metal !!! So glad you did this video and recognized this great band !!!
Thanks man
CIRCLE OF TONE. Absolutely brother, shared this to Facebook, so hopefully you will get some more subs.....I run a recording studio out of my house, and I’m always telling bands about your channel.
🤘🏻🤘🏻
exactly. It is an interesting journey how for example Crust punk exists as we know it thanks to the Amebix which were heavilly influenced by Killing Jokes.
@TheGarageRecordingSC Not in the circles I travel in...
One of my favorite bands ... "Night Time" is a masterpiece from start to finish. Paul Ferguson seriously underrated drummer ... UNSUNG HERO!
Yep. Huge solid hypnotic beats.
check this out th-cam.com/video/HyKJ5DmHc8E/w-d-xo.html
RIP Geordie Walker! You will be sorely missed. 😢❤
Heh. The memories. Love like blood was the second ever song I learned on electrical guitar, and Eighties was the fourth. Ye gods. The fun we had. Growing old sucks big hairy donkey balls 😣.
The way you tell these stories.. This has become one of my favorite channels on TH-cam.
It's like tuning into an old late night show on American PBS TV. Great stuff! 😊
Kevin you made my day. This is a small channel that not many talk about but your words make me want to do more of the same.
I cant even imagine growing up without Killing Joke.
Dude, thank you so much for this. KJ are one of my hugest influences and like you say, never cease to impress and to blow me away with how passionate, insightful and highly musical they are. I love all their albums and continue to watch them closely. "In Cythera" pretty much got me through ending my life when my girlfriend passed away last year. True story. Jaz' openess to his spirituality has also guided me to new insights concerning spirit, metaphysics and "quantum immortality" - which have also been life savers for me. Long live Killing Joke.
Music is so powerful. Glad you are still here.
Was fortunate enough to see Killing joke when they came to Boston in support of the 2003 record. As a bass player, I was up front screaming at Raven while my brain glitched trying to decipher Geordie's tone. One of my favorite bands of all time and thank you for this
Geordie was my guitar idol in 1981..i was 17 years of age and a cheerleader in high school. I bought a guitar after hearing the Killing Joke song, " Change". I referred to Geordie's style as jagged punk.. Love Killing Joke!
I keep repeating myself in your comments, but I'd love to see The Chameleons for that guitar tone, so damn dreamy.
QueeferSutherland great suggestion - amazing band - atmospheric guitar sounds, brilliant melodic lyrics and killer drumming too
Backed
the church as well
QueeferSutherland, I SECOND THIS. Besides Killing Joke, The Chameleons are one of my favorite Post-Punk bands of all time.
Lots of chorus and overdrive = The Chameleons and The Church. 🤷🏻♂️
Wow
CIRCLE OF TONE, that was amazing. ''The Death and Resurrection Show'' is must-watch documentary. Big up and respect.
"Choose ye an island; fortify it" is from Liber AL - to understand that Killing Joke, one must know it.
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@@princeofcupspoc9073 Ave Babalon!
Sisters of Mercy next my man! The tones of “This Corrosion” are absolutely killer you would do them justice.
Has to be done. Does anyone know what was used on the early classics?
So excited man I am seeing them next week in Brisbane - gonna be awesome!!!
@@helter2K10 It really won't. Gave up on them a decade ago. Hope it works for you but don't go there expecting wonders.
Was just listening to the MFSL pressing of Floodland last night. Better than I remember it but still not a patch on FALAA.
whssy haha thanks for the warning - I am a nostalgic nerd so will still enjoy it I am sure - I just hope Doktor Avalanche is in form :) it’s was a great period for music though and I am glad that all these classic bands are still touring because I get to tick off music bucket lists
@@CIRCLEOFTONE A 12 string electric was used on some/all of the songs on First and Last and Always, and can be seen wielded live. I am very invested in the band's early sound, so please get in touch.
Killing Joke is my favorite band, greetings from Iceland.
Killing Joke are much appreciated by fellow musicians. For one band to have both Mettalica & Foo Fighters cover them is a testament to their talent. Geordie , the best " rhythm " guitarist ever ? Maybe !
Love this video... found you by way of your amazing John McGeoch video then your Robert Smith one. Although not Goth, Hugh Cornwells /Stranglers 1st post Punk album "Black & White" is such a stark brutal genius album... check out Hughs guitar sound on it. As always JJ Burnels bass on this album just ramps up the sledgehammer smashing brutal sound even more than on any previous songs/albums, especially on the song "Tank". Add to that dear departed Dave Greenfields soaring archipelago keyboards & you've a stark, bleak industrial sounding music of doom.
You really should do a programme about the Stranglers. Subbed.
Stranglers is a GREAT idea. You may like the Damned vid I did. Pre damned had a Strangler in it. I did Adam and the Ants etc too.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I've watched the Banshees, Cure, Damned vids- Love em!
Or Nosferatu. Great guitar on that.
Killing Jokes Geordie has influenced many industrial and metal bands but none of them have his sound, it is massive and has an amazing clarity and is more of a punk sound which cuts through the mix.He should be more discussed in guitar forums especially his use of uncommon chords.
Agreed.
I'd love to hear more about the chords used
The combination of the hollowbody and P90 lends itself to using those odd chords and still having the diction in the notes.
I'm really loving this series. So much interesting information. Great job!
Along with Piggy (Voivod) and John McGeoch Geordie was an unsung guitar hero of the eighties. All three of these guys were masters of dissonance and unusual chord voicings.
We need to show Bauhaus some love... Daniel Ash
I really love this style of in depth video about gear, and the people, places, rather than just a list of the gear. the lists are nice, but seeing all your research, photos, video clips, and shouts to other youtubers is great. i'm not well versed in metal and certainly not punk or goth, so I'm always learning new bands through you that are amazing! this is certainly one of them.
Thanks man.
great job man.i love your style and way of thinking an such...very good.
Great video, good to see Killing Jokes attention to detail, originality and ethos being discussed. An amazing band with an incredible guitarist who's sound Jaz Coleman described as Fire from Heaven
Thank you very much for the mention COT... appreciated... and a really cool video about the subject matter and all that stuff... very nice. Thanks.
Thanks Tony. Great footage.
Love the comments about Raven. Back in 1990 at a NYC release party for the Killing Joke Vinyl Box Set (of the first 5 albums) I met Geordie, Martin Atkins (who was playing drums at the time), & Paul Raven. Paul actually hung out with my girlfriend & I, buying us drinks & hitting on her which I didn't care about because he accepted a demo of my punk band. :D RIP Raven.
Great episode and what an utterly killer band Killing Joke is-to this day. Back in the early 80's, as a headbanger, I got a lot of flak for liking bands like Killing Joke,, Siouxsie and also punk. Geordie is totally unique in all of his playing. The other members are nothing less either, which certainly explains the Killing Joke awesomness on all levels.
Glad you liked it. I did one on the banchees if you want to check it out?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE yeh, great one too! I'm slowly going through all of your vids! cheers
I adore the music of Killing Joke, good vid as usual Owen.
Years ago I remember Geordie, arseholed, just before he went onstage, looks down at his guitar roadie and says, "Which IS stage right and stage left?". Clacssic rock 'n' roll moments of our time. I had no option but to just applaud him and smile. John Peel? The man who gave it all to UK youngsters in the grey UK 1970's. It's pissing down here right now, by the way!
Oh yeah, the Youth bassline in 'Tension'. Fucking evil to this day.
mate... ive just learned and in the process of learning a bunch of my fav killing joke tunes and you post this !! fkn great stuff lol
Awesome. Glad you found this place.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE ive been watching your channel for ages, i just havent had the urge or a reason to comment before. keep on keeping on mate.
Good video. Just to clarify, despite what it says in the documentary, it was actually the reception area of `Melody Maker` where Jaz did his infamous liver dump-They used to have a kind of indie music Gossip Column called TTT every week in the publication and they printed a picture of Jaz in a swimming pool from a few years earlier and made some disparaging comments- He was one of their regular targets because he was so outspoken and disparaging of the music press and they used to use it to get back at him i guess- but the funny thing is is that the Melody Maker were probably the most supportive music paper (followed by `Sounds` )of the band at the time- especially in the mid-eighties- they seemed to have a love/hate relationship with the band- In the end of year readers polls that they used to run KJ would often get `Best live act.`
Awesome info. Thanks man.
My favorite player of all time... no one makes a guitar sing like Geordie Walker. Great Video
Thanks for this enjoyable watch. I'm in my early 40's, and really have only had passing knowledge of KJ up until this lockdown started. They are hidden somehow, as I've been a music fan all my life. I've been watching a lot of videos. What makes them a heavy band in my view is their intensity - it's incredible. Massive respect for Geordie's playing - heavy, melodic, clever.
It's a great rabbit hole up go down. They have fingers in a lot of pies.
Another cool video man! Thanks for sharng! I will be going back listening to some of these classics! 😎🎸
circa 17:30 The average frequency of the earth (the Schumann Resonance) is 7.83 Hertz btw.
EDIT: Just found out about the death of Geordie. Gutted. What a massive loss to art and sub culture. RIP. Here is the tribute to Paul Raven th-cam.com/video/9VQwX9h6kWo/w-d-xo.html
I have listen to them since 1988 and the movie is amazing.. and Jaz is GOD
Hey dude Raven is important but Youth is the real beat as he loved Dub and reggae.. so let’s not over look he’s genius
@@HeavyMetalTones yep I should have mentioned him more. It's more about the 80's era but when I talked about the Peel track I should have mentioned him.
u didnt mention youth the original bass player......
he was a big part of their early sound.
Yet another glorious information packed celebration of musical magnificence - love your work bro - hoping this one stays monetised ;)
Youth was bass player until mid '82 and he's been back full-time since Raven's death!
Yeah I didn't menton him enough.
I remember being 14 and playing the Love Like Blood and Kings and Queens singles again and again....I'd never heard anything like that before!!!
LOVE Killing Joke! Geordie is brilliant. So unique in both sound and musical choices. Jazz is crazy. Influenced everyone from Metallica to Ministry to Fear Factory and Godflesh.
Agreed. Amazing band with not enough press imo.
Haven't watched this yet but YES! Geordie is the man... EIGHTIES!
Amazing, well-done mate!!! Great cover!!! Thumbs up :)
What a tune that is. Remember buying it on 12 inch. Will enjoy this video when I get home. Great choice!
Thanks man
As I said many episodes ago he is the most exquisite guitars of the past 40 years and well done for trying to get to Jaz vocals tough gig. Spent a very pleasant afternoon with jazz uncle back in the 90’s at his local pub
That's awesome man. Glad you liked it
Nice analysis Man. Killing Joke rock. Well played too. Stay Well. 🎼🎸🎶🏰🎭🎶🃏
Thanks Maxine.
Well done, you really nailed the feel and vocals!
You're killing it with this series!
I'd love to see you cover Adam & the Ants. I'm not sure if Marco Pirroni has a particular signature sound (between the spaghetti-western twang and the punkier riffs and feedback) but you could discuss his playing style, songwriting, gear, impact, etc. My favorites are from the Ants era (Press Darlings, Beat My Guest, Prince Charming, Physical) but Marco rules on the solo stuff as well.
Yep I've already researched his gear. It's hard to track down. I was obsessed with that band.
Great video! I actually inherited a bass flight case that Dave Ball used to use. Still has all of the luggage stickers on and the joker logo painted inside!
I remember most of all how much the Burman head weighed... and the cab was the heaviest cab I have ever moved... don't remember it being that great at generating an overdriven sound... but that was over 3 decades ago... Peel introduced me to Killing Joke... amongst others and Requiem for me still is one of the best songs ever...
Peel was amazing. I bought his book on 4 track recording another lifetime ago.
paul raven was in prong omg!!! i never new that.... i loved the first prong album man
Congrats for the awesome work put into these Goth Broth series. You should give a chance to Fields Of The Nephilim, anything from The Nephilim album or from Elizium. They're probably one of the most underrated bands from this 80s genre, their sound was huge. The album Elizium was recorded by Andy Jackson, known for his work with Pink Floyd. Even Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin was a big fan of the band.
Saw them live a couple times in the early 80's, amazing band
I would love to have seen them in thier prime.
Great...thanks
oh dude a goth broth episode on killing joke, what a treat!!!!
Getting my NIN Robin Finck fan friend into your channel
Just found out about the death of Geordie Walker. Gutted. What a massive loss to art and sub culture. RIP.
Another great episode!
If you feel like doing requests, how about Herbage from Department S.? Sure, they took a huge step away from the punk roots of the scene in their looks, but they definitely nailed the Zeitgeist with their sound and lyrics. And much as "Is Vic there?" is probably their only well-known song - "I Want" is so much better!
Amazingly, they are actually still making music, too.
A couple more of Killing Joke’s interesting sonic attributes you didn’t mention:
A) Jaz Coleman’s Oberheim OB-X synthesizer. Their secret weapon that punctuates all my favorite tracks from the first five albums. A legendary synthesizer in its own right, it’s incredibly cool how Jaz incorporated it into their music.
B) Martin “Youth” Glover, their original bass player and founding member. While I’m sure they were all massive dub reggae enthusiasts, Youth’s entire vibe was right up there with Jah Wobble as far as the whole Punky Reggae/White Boy Reggae/Post-Punk Dub thing goes. Amazing basslines and style.
Yep. Good points. Thanks
May I recommend for the next two in the Goth Broth Series... Fields Of The Nephilim & Daniel Ash of Bauhaus?
Awesome and super informative as always!!!🤘Id love to see you do the tone for Morgoth's 1993 "Odium" album.
What about The Chameleons and Cocteau Twins? Love your vids! Full of great stories and nostalgic music. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Good shout. Thanks man.
I think Raven was the one that figured out how to play bass to Gordie's guitar. Gordie's guitar playing is so unusual that many bass players would be mystified on how to play bass to it. I think Youth heard what Raven was doing on the bass, and he got it. When Raven passed, and Youth came back in Youth was able to pick up right away with what to do with the bass.
Such a good video you should do more like this
Thanks George. Glad you like it man.
Compressor, distortion, dimension C, hall reverb. Use stereo outputs. P90 pickups. The rest is down to your ears. Down to what you play. Diminished and dissonant chords will help. Make your own up.
Distortion is generally already compressed. I do make my own music. th-cam.com/video/dQoQgpMooyY/w-d-xo.html
Nice job man!!
Play "Eighties" and then transition into "Come as you Are".
Hehe.
Or “Life Goes On”
Hahahaha 👍
Total Nirvana rip-off. But KJ were sneaky and did it five years earlier
@@michaelcottle6270 😱👍😀
I only found this stuff out about Jaz a couple of years ago. Absolute genius.
Agreed.
Tom Morello I was surprised to learn that he uses the single coil neck pickup for rhythms on all his guitars like all Walker along too. For solos he barely ever switches to the bridge. When I picked up Killing Joke's recent record Pylon a few years back, not only did I like it, I was intrigued on how great it sounded for high gain for P90s pickups. It sounds like he is using the neck pickup on it too, not sure but still, it's different versus what most are doing in the modern era.
This is a great channel.
Thanks man
What a great band -you did a amazing job!
Thanks man!
CIRCLE OF TONE. :-) I would love to hear your work on Garland from Cocteau Twins :-)
Bill Nelson used a Burman amp on the 1978 album "Sound on Sound". Not quite Goth, but New Wave at its finest.
Awesome job on this video!
Cheers Mike
I’ve missed hearing your singing voice, you’re a bit of a vocal chameleon but still sound like yourself underneath
Thanks man. I love a good shout.
i agree. Owen you're a great singer man! it's always a pleasure to hear your recreations. don't tell anyone, but in almost every case i like your vocals more than the originals! probably the only exception would be Type O... because well... it's Type O. but even those i liked as much, and that's pretty remarkable.
Hey mate!! I just came upon your channel via searching Mcgeoch, Magazine & Banshees songs..gd job!! Dunno how youd've gone saying Joke were goth in 79/80? def anarcho punk, as their early gigs will show.
What about Bauhaus or the Birthday Party?
Tracy Pews baselines are priceless!!
So is the whole band tho...luv the analysis of gear used (& yer rant was spot on!).
Wish ld caught you 3yrs back...but cheers anyhow!
Question everything!✌️
Yep great suggestions. Glad you liked the vid. There is a lot of goth in KJ. Check it out th-cam.com/video/TMuLO2jDmNc/w-d-xo.html
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Absolutely mate!!
Ill sub & do a bit of bingeing!
@@baabaabaa2293 check out the goth aspect of KJ that goes underlooked th-cam.com/video/TMuLO2jDmNc/w-d-xo.html
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Wintergarden!! Yeah l see what ya mean!
Cd be the Cure til Jaz comes in..
KJ are a brilliant band, l thought they were goin a bit soft.. then they bought Pandemonium out!!
Thanks mate..no doubt we'll yak soon!✌️
the morris dancers made me laugh so much English haka lol. Great vid my knowledge of KJ was limited to Communion etc so was really interesting watch and listen
Lol. Could not resist.
Next: Fields of The Nephilim.
Thanks for this vid! Killing Joke!
He actually switches from bridge to the middle position on that “live at the tube” video. I haven’t actually seen any occasion where he used just the neck pickup on its own, but the middle position (apart from being hum cancelling) is his go to rhythm tone, and flicks over to bridge for a more aggressive tone. Another good example is Frenzy, you can really hear the difference from when he’s in the middle position to the bridge. The PA:CE/Bell ADT has a very interesting history too, the original pedals actually had four delay lines and was designed to be a tri chorus/true double tracking type effect. Once PA:CE bought them out and release the desktop unit version, the circuit was completely changed. The ones Geordie uses are actually very similar to the Deluxe Memory Man, it uses a single MN3005 delay chip with an LFO to modulate the delay time, it’s basically a chorus/flanger but with a super long delay time range. He did switch to some sort of rack units from the mid 80s onwards too (you can see them on the side of the stage with the ADT units on top of them), but I’ve been unable to find out or confirm what these effects were.
Love the series. Especially Killing Joke.
Glad you like it man.
i went down the paul raven rabbit holle for a bit... im blown away by how much ive missed out on... wow
Awesome
I believe Jaz has two daughters. Imagine "Moooom! Dad's being a witch again!" Don't forget Youth, original and current bassist with the band. Similarly Big Paul was an original member and current member, but some of the drummers in between, like Martin Atkins, and some American kid named Grohl should get a shout out.
They will rebel and become lawyers.
I am one of those losers who found out about Killing Joke from Metallica. Not even mad or ashamed about it, this band kicks ass and I am happy to have found them, no matter the route.
I am also one of those bridge = rhythm/neck = lead pickup goons.... at least for metal/high gain.
More rockin/low gain tones, definitely best to go the traditional way.
Concerning your "where is the weird setups/gear" (paraphrase) section, I would like to mention that noise/grind bands (usually with silly subgenre names. ie - mince, splatter, gore, etc etc) use all sorts of whacky gear. Usually due to monetary issues, but there is definitely cool shit sometimes, but you are also correct in that most people just use the basics. I definitely use the SM57, but fuck Vintage 30's. Eminence Wizards, baby. Or Creambacks if you can swing the cash.
Great job again Owen , nice work son
Cheers Phil.
aye aye on the micing advice captain!! so true - if everyone would get their heads out of their arses when it came to 'tone' and looked for it where it really lives and not in the finish or wood of the guitar or coils in pickups wound from virgins in the hills
Big fan of Killing Joke play a lot of this song on guitar as well.. but in e tuning..
I feel like if you did Dan Ash that would round things out.
Love KJ. This was a great vid.
Yes question everything that's why are you love Killing Joke
Oh, those old Trace Elliot 410" cabs have been kind of oversized. They had massive oomph. No need for a 15" cab if you stack two of those 410" cabs.
Those 15" cabs actually had less SPL, the 410" just swallowed them.
Some members of www.bassic.ch , the biggest Bass community in the German speaking countries (Austria, Switzerland and Germany), started using their 410" + 115" stacks upside down, with the 15" cab on top of the 410", so they started to hear the 15" cab because it is nearer to the ear, and the 410" just had more low end because of the ground contact.
I for myself switched to 410" cabs in the end of the 80's because I used 15" speakers during the late 70's and part of the 80's and never was really satisfied.
Because a single 410", not to mention two of them stacked, could give me more oomph and more articulation than the 2 x 215" I had on stage before.
I became a huge fan of big speakers with some membrain in the last
10 years again, having now a Tecamp L 215" and two custom made cabs with a 14" woofer (Yes, 14") and a 5" speaker for mids and high end (besides some 410", 212" and 810). Those 14" are modern woofers with lots of excursion, but are fast reacting and have punch I never have heard or felt.
The Tecamp L 215" has modern neodym speakers in it that are fast, but don't have the excursion (Xmax) of those 14" woofers.
For your interest: the 115"
+ 410" stack was the favourite stack of Mark King of Level 42. And as everybody liked his tone and wanted to sound like him, the absolute bullshit 410" + 115" became en vogue.
Remember, a 410" cab nearly has twice the cone surface of a 115", this surface gets moved by 4 magnets, every one nearly as big as the one at the 15" speaker. So a 15" never had the SPL and
the oomph (and articulation) of a 410", especially back in the days.
There has been lots of research and progress in cab- and speaker construction, so 15" speakers are comming back, especially in lightweight cabs. But 410" cabs will allways be superior.
Yep but I'm talking about close micing. If you close mic a 10" vs a 15" bass freqs are lacking on a 10" but you get the upper mids as a tradeoff. I pref a 12" in general and that's what I used.
Great tone on this one!
Thanks!
Jaz Coleman is next level. He's so plugged in on so many levels.
Agreed.
You mention at 19:35 that Raven couldn't go back to the UK.. I saw him play for the last time with KJ a couple of months before he died at the Astoria, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
Fun fact if nobody has mentioned it, Nirvana stole their riff for Come as You Are from Killing Joke's Eighties, Jaz scrubbed it off after Kurt's death.
Personally, I think you'll find most people that say they hate Jaz because they're fucking terrified of him. If you've met him he's a very big and very intimidating commodity, you'd have to be nuts to sit opposed to him as a journalist and tell him what you think he'd literally tear you to pieces.
Also, I'm not an instrument tech so I have no clue, but one thing about Geordie has always fascinated me and that's his stroke of the strings. I've stood 4 feet in front of him for ages watching this delicate gentle waver that he uses to stroke his strings, I don't know what the tech-heads call that but it's unlike anything I've ever seen in any other guitar player.
One last thing (again bear with me I don't know) but 'apparently' part of Geordies unique sound is because his guitar is deliberately de-tuned, I heard that somewhere a long time ago, thought it may have been mentioned here, maybe it's not a thing.
Another great watch thanks for this one.
I took that Raven info re passports from an interview with Jaz. Well said re Geordies style. It's almost like a balladeer strum from folk. I never thought about it. All I know is that I'm a good guitarist and I sounded clunky compared to him. It's aggressive and graceful at the same time.
The Damned used this riff in Life goes on before Killing Joke and there was band from 60s using it even before them, but Cobain definetly riped off Kiling Jokes version, just slow it down and used more chorus
When they played in the US S.I.R. would rent him Marshalls. Most Euro footage I've seen in the last 20 years, he's on Framus amps.
Cool. I talk a lot about SIR on the Guns N Roses video
great postI have been chasing the dragon of geordies tone for years, and owned 4 paice adt units and they really are a one of a kind effect although I have never been able to own 2 adt,s at the same time though!
Very cool. They are so rare.
th-cam.com/video/jtwzGXXC5ps/w-d-xo.html rough take of our Killing Joke covers band if you are interested...
That was awesome
The wait is one of the raddest songs ever written
has an absolutely awesome in ya face raw synth intro: love it
I saw the "Death & Resurrection Show" film a few years back. I'm sure he actually started spouting off in Latin during the NME incident.
Haha.
Hey if I want to set my Gretsch up to Geordie’s spec’s,what do I have to do..?
From what I’m understanding I need a trapeze tailpiece and to P90 pickups ( any particular kind?) also what strings do I have to put on I know he uses heavier ones but are they 11s or 12s and what brand? You’re the guy to go to so I figured I’d ask
What model Gretsch do you have? I'd hate to see you mod an old one. It's a mistake a lot of people make. Haha. As it happens I saw this and thought it would be a good guitar to mod to get that vibe but it's a massive task. Greco EG-200 *Project Husk* 1960s '70s reverb.com/item/66052146?
You need a wraparound trapeze bridge, he tended to use heavier than normal strings (not sure of specifics) and I think the p90 output you are looking for is 8.5k .
I've been trying so hard to get a good Walker sound with my Kemper and I just can't dial it in. Any tips?
I'm not that experienced with a Kemper.
Love your channel......
Maybe Fields of the Nephilim on the next Goth Broth... That would be great....
You did it, nice job
Cheers Dave
Could you perhaps go into detail about the individual effects or instruments parts?!?
My favorite Nirvana song.
Nirvana gave the royalties from Come As You Are single To Killing Joke. Foo Fighters covered " Requiem "
@@davidellis5141 They should both be paying royalties to The Damned for Life Goes On. th-cam.com/video/TaDbMZlN2Pg/w-d-xo.html
@@williamhayse3685 yeh.... but always remember, this is the happiest day of your life...