The worst part is I think those kids probably should never have been taken. Hannah's voice-mail proves she was unprofessional - the kids were malnourished because of Hazel stowing money, not because of neglect. Any proper investigation should have shown that. Missing a pick up is also not worthy of the state taking custody. It's ironic - the first series shows the long term effects of sloppy investigation... in a game all about investigation.
I was thinking that as the whole CPS storyline went down. It’s pretty easy to see why Hazel was malnourished, and it’s never confirmed that Thomas was late because he was gambling, it could’ve been that he just got stuck in traffic. The house was clean and there WAS food, even if it wasn’t very much. There’s ample evidence that Katherine was doing everything in her power to make sure her kids were taken care of, she’s just a single mom who made the mistake of trusting a gambling addict. I feel like the most reasonable course of action was getting her some government assistance and maybe dictating that Thomas could not have custody of them until he’d demonstrated his addiction was under control. And yeah, look what happened. Hazel went from a poor but loving home to a foster care system, where she was either kidnapped and forced into sex work, or ran away and manipulated into it. And thinking about it now, it’s possible Hazel later realized why they were taken away, and that it was a direct result of her starving herself for a doll. That couldn’t have been easy.
@@sulsulii810He might not have been gambling but he was a two to three hour drive away an hour and a half before he needed to pick up the kids. That’s not traffic or bad luck, that’s a time management issue and when it comes to raising kids it’s negligent. It was still a poor choice to take the kids away. Any proper investigation would have seen that Katherine had just gotten a promising new job, and was doing everything in her power to make sure the kids were fed. She specifically told Hazel that the money was only for food, but Hazel is also eight years old and can’t be expected to make mature and rational decisions. Not sure why Hazel was put in foster care while Nicholas went to their father, maybe she ran away before the dad was able to take them.
I agree, but I think the voicemail was left by Gina. I think she was probably waiting for Thomas to drop the kids off after school, and when he didn’t, she left that message for the parents and subsequently called CPS. I could be wrong though.
@@Clockwork_Magic Yeah that could be - it looked like Gina would babysit the kids at Katherine's home, though, so it didn't make sense to me that she would call the home phone if she was there in the obviously empty house. I would have thought she would call Katherine at one of her jobs, or her cell phone.
For the first case, we know that CPS was called when Hazel went to the hospital with malnutrition. Hannah talked to Hazel and the school. She made plans to talk to Thomas, seeing as he is Katherine's significant other in the scenario. Also, the bus times paper stated that CPS was coming down on the school district to make sure parents were picking up their kids. Stands to reason that Hannah was the worker on the case and when the school called CPS when Thomas didn't pick up Nicholas and Hazel, she said enough is enough and took the kids into state custody.
You picked up a pair of boots by the safe in Phillip’s room, I’m sure the tread probably matches. Thomas was going to unalive himself in the bedroom, but got interrupted by someone coming in through the door and Phillip shot him. He fell into the table and broke it when he died. I think. What a sad case.
Furthermore, the person who entered through the window (Thomas, because he didn't have his house key) had footprints leading to the dead body and not leading to anywhere else. Thus Thomas was also the one who died, and not by his own hand as the state of his room would suggest he'd choose a different method to go.
No Thomas wasn’t going to kill himself he was only just entering his apartment from the window when Philip walked in through the door which then (you can see from the scene) they got into a brawl with Thomas dying
@@HiraethMorii He was probably going to kill himself before he got the message that Hazel was going to die. He hadn't seen the little girl for a while at that point.
On the last case, the footprints tie in with the weather forecast on the computer. The first set coming in through the window are dry (Thomas coming back without his key - matching the early weather forecast), then the set through the door using the keys left at Phillip’s are wet and muddy (matching the storm in the latter bit of the weather forecast). I think Thomas had changed his mind about unaliving himself because after he was shot by Phillip it looks like he trashed the kitchen to find the first aid kit and collapsed at the table with it?
I think the dog probably bit Thomas when he saved the girls, hence the first aid kit on the table and the drops of blood by the door. The rope could have been set up in advance but he either didn't go through with it or was interrupted by Phillip.
idkk, who gets shot in the head and can walk around to find first aid tho there was also like first aid stuff at the pimp house i think, and the wallet near the outline was empty so im thinkin maybe phillip trashed his place afterwards lookin for stuff to steal, and took his money and his like sterilization stuff for his drugginess. idk its hard to keep up with all the info lol. i dont know why his id wouldnt be in his wallet tho or why it would have absolutely nothing in it
@@CellarSpiderRae depends on where you're shot in the head...People with brain injuries, even bullet wounds, absolutely can get up and walk around. It usually doesn't completely paralyze you unless it hits a specific area of the brain.
@@AnxietyRat why would Tom walk to the otherside of the table if he was trying to bandage himself up. I think Tom also shot Phil and Phil tried to address his wound. Hince the wet foot prints in the kitchen
I think the saddest part is that it seems like Thomas was in the process of getting ready to unalive himself when the calls from Irene interrupted him and he went to go save them, only to later get unalived by Phillip because he left his key in Phillip’s apartment. Such a sad case but amazing storytelling
@@poshiey1734 it's because of censorship and algorhythms. Maybe not a problem in YT comments but apparently in TikTok and sometimes instagram so people just say "unalive" to go around the censorship.
this was pretty amazing, once you get all the right answers they should cut the scene to show you how it all played out in the mind of the detective and that would reveal that particular case from beginning to end. I dig it when Gabs plays these detective/mystery genre games so fun to ride along and piece it together good choice Gabs. very entertaining
What a tragic story...a lot of sad realisations come to light when you look a the clues. First off, just the fact that Hazel was only a small child who wanted something that would fulfil her need for play and companionship and saw a way of getting it, but had no idea that she would unwittingly cause herself to be separated from her parents. If she had never skipped her meals she wouldn't have collapsed. That Thomas regretted his actions so strongly that he would dedicate the next 23 years of his life to trying to find her again was devastating. First thing that really set off alarms though was the tone of voice in Stephanie's letter to her sister- she sounds so young. Then the difficulty of the math homework made me realise Irene is probably in her early teens...I think Rose may have been Phillip's first prostitute since he went on to brand everyone else with a rose tattoo. Those poor girls...Finally, I think based on the time of the receipt and the ignored called from his friend Todd, Thomas was planning to end his life that morning. He got everything set up when he got the text from Irene and then left to go help them. He returned later that morning while it was still dry, hung his bloody shirt up and then tried to patch himself up. Hard to tell what happened in the time between his return and Phillip breaking in and killing him but I'd like to think that after finding his daughter and grand daughter and helping them escape that maybe he might have had a change of heart. It wasn't until after he'd been killed that Hazel was able to call him, I wonder if she'd ever want to meet her dad again...
Philip never regretted anything? He knew what he was doing with the prostitutes. Also Rose and Irene aren’t confirmed to be related to him Hazel wasn’t ever found
He bought the rope the day after rescuing them, so it wasn't set up, and then he got the text from Irene, it's the other way around, which really confuses me - why would he plan to kill himself after finally finding his long-lost daughter? Some one please explain this detail to me! Text from Irene: 11/15/2018 7:14pm Receipt buying rope: 11/16/2018 09:23am
Remember, if you see rope and booze on the same receipt, it's either someone going on a trip and forgot rope/need to finish a project... or they are not doing too hot mentally 😥
I know its a game about mystery and solving cases but the fact that Gab was able to just sniff the air and say "Sean is cooking." Is so funny and random. Honestly one of my favorite couples.
I guess Thomas felt extremely guilty for screwing up everyone’s lives with his gambling. He tried to make up for it a little by looking for and helping his daughter.
I thought for sure the stranger in the park was Nicholas. Like, maybe they specifically described him as old and I just forgot, but it made way more sense narratively to have Hazel’s loving brother be the one to save her than her gambling addict almost stepdad. I like how they did it though; it was very easy to paint Thomas as a villain in the first part, but by having him come back we can see him as a devoted fiancée and protector. It’s too bad he wasn’t given more of a chance to get his addiction under control, because his actions at the end show he would’ve been a good dad.
If this concept is interesting to you, you may wanna look into the Nutshell Studies, from Frances Glessner Lee. They're MINIATURE crime scenes she made herself. They're still used today to train detectives/officers in solving crimes, and this totally reminds me of it. It's the same idea, you have a closed space, full of details, some of which are important and others that aren't at all. I wonder if they inspired this game at all.
Katherine had a diary in her bag that said rules out Gina as someone who can pick up the kids... CPS lady was the only person who could have picked them up :((
As someone who has dealt with very dumb family members dealing with CPS, no matter what they will try to get them back with their parents so even if someone calls them CPS main goal is to first make sure the child is safe but always go back to the parents before foster care. Tbh I don’t understand why because some parents aren’t meant to be one but it’s just what CPS does
I’m from a 2nd world country, and working related to a CPS equivalent. The system here is quite the same. There’s too many problems and not enough resources. And I can assured you, after seen so much, huge proportion of parents are just bunch of A-holes-completely piece of sh-t.
unfortunately there are not enough foster care spaces, and foster care is subsidized by the government. So both to save government money and to save the resource for those who need it most (among many other reasons), the preferred sustainable solution is to support parents to take care of their own children
@@msadm1225I would never say foster care is the answer of course but when a child has to go back to someone abusive, into drugs, non caring, etc it’s never good. I’ve seen the effects of it on my cousins, scared they won’t get food again, scared their parents will do it again, also kids are judgemental of them. One of my aunts second oldest is unfortunately going down the same path his mother took, he even got a younger girl knocked up last I heard and it’s just sad to see. I wish there was a better option since the country always preaches about its future kids but we don’t have any good options for them when something bad happens to them, the government is a mess with a lot of things
@@silvermeasuringspoons6462exactly this! One of my aunts pretty much profits off her children for free resources like food stamps, she got a bunch of money during the stimulus checks. I remember when my grandma took in my cousins yet again wanting to profit off them as well to write them on her taxes because in my state they get so much money per child under 18. Unfortunately the system is just so broken
I’m working on my master’s degree in social work. It’s going to break my heart to work with cases like this. I don’t think the voicemail was Hannah, it was too unprofessional and would hurt her case. I’d think it was Gina upset that she isn’t being paid.
@@Alexseya I'm late to the party but I just looked back. The document from the school has the number for the Superintendent and I checked the phone number that the voicemail is from and they don't match. My other thought was that the school maybe tried to call Gina when Thomas didn't show and she was fed up with being used as a parent while not getting paid so she encouraged the CPS call by the school. That phone call didn't sound professional like a CPS worker or a School Administrator. It sounded like an angry employee to me.
In Missing Scenario 2, Spike is the guard dog, which is why he doesn't like strangers. The dog went after Thomas, doing his job, and was unfortunately killed for it. Thomas dropped his keys in the struggle with Spike, so he had to enter through the window. Also, the "ice" in the freezer probably isn't frozen water...it's meth. That's the baggies of white powder around the house. At first I thought Phillip was a drug dealer and the girls were going to be used as drug mules, but I think Phillip is just their pimp and lets them do meth so they can get high and not focus on being prostitutes. I guess in the end Thomas redeemed himself by saving his fiance's daughter and her daughter, but a sad way to go. At least both Nicholas and Hazel were safe in the end. Being an addict doesn't mean that you don't care about people, but the pull of the addiction is just stronger. I'm glad he got clean and saved Hazel and Irene in the end. The sad part is that Hazel probably didn't even recognize him and he was just a kind stranger who had played with her daughter. I'm still wondering about the AED on the bed though. Did someone od or was it just in the closet with the safe? Those are for shocking the heart when someone's heart stops or when it needs to be shocked back to normal rhythm if it's beating too fast. I can understand someone with that much meth in the house would have one. Huh...maybe he was dealing in addition to pimping.
This was so good!! I would lovee to see you play more of this. I dont get to catch streams on twitch very often due to work. But i love that you upload a cut down version on youtube! I was working the case along side you lol I love using this big ol brain to figure mysteries out.
Gab!!! I'm so excited to see you play this game finally! In Scenario 2 on Missing, the tag on "Emma's" bag can be flipped over. Rose gave Emma her money the night Emma got robbed. Hence: Phillip beat Rose for falling short on quota. You are supposed to assume that if Phillip's girl's get hurt or hospitalized..... he probably beat them. Marley, Rose, and Stephanie.
I think my least favorite thing about this game is the lack of answers when it comes to the story telling. Painscreeks Killings had a super intricate story and so much more actually to it. I think the downfall here was that they " took out evidence " to make it harder to get the answers to the exam questions. I dunno. I think there's too much left to the imagination on what actually happened to everyone etc. but that might just be me.
There is a purse with a calendar/planner to help pull the information together for Missing in Scenario 1 that I don't think you found, which helps put the information together, which you deduced anyways!!! This was a good game but a heartbreaking story.
So this is my general understanding .. I could be very wrong though Thomas got a text from Irene at around 9:30 on the 15th of November, that Hazel was in trouble. He went over, saved her, but the dog attacked him so he was injured, he went back through the window cause he forgot the keys, that's why the footprints from the window looked faded, it's a day old. He patched himself up and called it a day. At 9:23 am 16th of November, Thomas went to the grocery store to get items to .. unalive himself (it's the same date that his fiance, Katherine, took her own life). I think Thomas changed his mind though when he got the voice message at 9:31 am from Irene. And that's when mister trashcan Phillip came in and killed Thomas by shooting him (it was later in the day, around 10 am as per the weather thingy). He just used the keys left in the previous house and entered through the front door and shot him.
I also don't think Hannah was a good person.. I think Hannah was a friend of Gina's who took Hazel as a kid and sold her off after she was taken from Katherine and Thomas under the pretense of CPS involvement.
actually cried near the end of the video, when I saw Thomas's search for Hazel damn, what a sad and depressing setup, all the stories are just people suffering, breaks my heart so much
In the first missing scenario, I think you missed the Katherine's diary, left of the tv, in there she writes that Ms Olson keeps calling her, and she has to call her back. So the missing calls and the angry message of the -9753 phone, are definitely from Hannah Olson 😉
This reminds me of the Nutshell studies. They're meticulously recreated crime scenes in miniature, originally used for training detectives on crime scene investigation. Students would be given an accompanying case file. But just like these, all you'll know is what you can deduce. You won't be told if you're wrong or right - because that's how it works in real life.
it's hinted that hannah took the kids through the planner that's found in kathrin's bag in the living room, it said "ms. olson keeps calling, call her back", the number that kept appearing in the call logs was hannah's and she's the one that said "i'm taking things into my own hands". SPOILERS: i literally cried during the third scenario, i felt so bad for thomas, he probably blamed everything on himself because had he not spent so much time gambling the kids would have never been taken away and his fiance would still be alive. he never knew that everything happened because hannah just wanted a new toy and was skipping meals to save money. such a tragic story, the fact that he will never know who rose truly is is genuinely heartbreaking
Game says: not all interactable items are important Not all uninteractable items are unimportant Gab: hm can't interact with it must not be important 😂😂😂❤
Not to be nitpicky, but I don't think it is fair to TW this with "prostitution" when the portrayed scenario is decidedly sex trafficking. Prostitution kind of implies will and consent, which is clearly absent if the girls are underage, and beat or killed for trying to escape.
Nope. That is prostitution. The human trafficking and loss of freedom. Often tied to brothels. Youre thinking about s e x work and s e x workers. Those are the adults who want to do the work. Very different situation
I could be wrong but I believe it’s still considered prostitution legally. It’s also sex trafficking. I also know when I think of prostitution, this is what I often think of.
I think I know how you're supposed to deduct that Thomas in the intruder/nice man at the park in Scenario #2 without touching Scenario #3. He writes his number and "call me if you need anything" on the back of Irene's treasure hunt list, which you find in a box in Irene's room. This handwriting matches the handwriting in the cards Thomas wrote to Katherine in Scenario #1 early on in their relationship. That's the connection. I think the game hopes/assumes/expects that you will recognise the writing on the back of the treasure hunt list and match it to the cards in the previous scenario. It's the only thing that I could find that connects the first two scenarios (ignoring anything in the 3rd), it's a difficult connection to discover naturally.
Yesss I’ve been waiting for this! (Not anticipating the very real and dark story, but well told). I love this style of games and like Painscreek though! I wish there were more games like them. ♥️
Also I would like this case to be made into a book because it's a interesting and sad story. It would make for a good cry, my eyes were starting to sting just from what you gathered in this scenario.
man I really love watching these types of games man they are great little brain teasers and when chat chimes in and helps it's like we are all a bunch of amateur detectives all workin to solve some cold cases or something it's so much fun. It definitely made me want to check them out for myself, and get my friends and family to try with me and see who can get them right and who is super observant and who isn't lol :). These by far are some of my favorite types of videos of yours that you do on your channel Thank you for taking the time to play through them fully like this.
Thomas never answered his phone when Todd and Hazel called him meaning he was already dead as the voicemails were also new and unread. The key in the door indicates Phillip and the dry mud on the window matches Thomas’s time frame of coming in the window earlier since he didn’t have his key. Making Phillip the killer and Thomas the victim. If that makes sense
I watched this yesterday and can't stop thinking about it. This game is like exactly what I wanted out out of a whodunnit game. Im getting ready to watch it again to hold me over until the next episode. Thanks gab
good game and its always good to see Gab solving puzzles that I would've frankly given up on solving lol. About the ages of the girls....the actual real life average age for a female prostitute to ENTER prostitution is 13. Seventeen if anything would almost be "old" for some of these trafficking systems. That also VERY much is what this is - human trafficking. Pimps and other evil people who profit off this have done a great job spreading around PR that "Sex Work" is liberating and empowering but they don't want you to know how plainly depressing and heartbreaking the real life experiences of women and girls (like what we see in this game) really is. (also before someone adds this, the age for male prostitution to begin IS a little later....by about two years. Its a nasty trade made by evil people, for evil people. the least we can do is stop spreading their propaganda for them and call it what it is.)
sex work is sex work. trafficking is trafficking, rape is rape. a pimp can lie about what they are, but they are a pimp, trafficking out women, who are experiencing trafficking, and rape. words mean things. the fact that SO many sex workers have spoken on their experiences and views and demands at this point and *still* there are people like you, who are so "concerned", that straight up ignore or write them all off as stupid or performing PR isn't surprising, but it is sad. of course they don't know what they're talking about, they're just deluded (read: you think they're icky for what they do), right? fuck you, sincerely. you contribute to the harm that SEX WORKERS do actually face due to patronizing and stigma. i still hope you never have to experience being treated like nothing but an irrational talking point for something you CHOSE to do with your life.
and i also hope you put that energy into the actual root problem, which is that we're forced to do labor for profit in order to even live at all. you can argue that all sex work is inherently under duress, but you can't do that without arguing that anything that forces us to use and abuse ourselves for money is also then inherently under duress. it's survive or die; sex workers choose to do sex work, and many of them enjoy it. but tackle that, and the largest motivator for trafficking (profitable rape) crumbles.
@@matts9871I think you really demonstrate your lack of consideration for the opinions of survivors and excited women from prostitution when you "correct" criticism of the trade to an issue with capitalist labor practices. Please listen to real survivors and stop using the phrase "sex work" because whether you mean to or not that is spreading propaganda engineered by pimps. Yeah, being a prostitute and working at McDonald's are both exploitable positions, but your golden arches manager isn't allowed to beat you, tattoo you to show his ownership of you, and make you have sex you don't want. Sure, under capitalism, all labor is coercive, but we have a specific and accurate word for coerced sex of any kind, and it's rape. IDK Matt S if you would think this way if you had to choose between being homeless and being fucked by men. 🤷 Prostitution isn't pretty and it's not worth defending.
I love investigation and detective games! I’ve been playing a lot of shadows of doubt recently. It’s very blocky and it has a dystopian twist to it but I still enjoy playing it.
This game is amazing! “True” crime and a video game together is my perfect cup of tea! Please continue to play this game if you choose to. I already really liked this game from the first scenario, but seeing that that 3 scenarios were all connected was mind blowing !
I had to go back to this part, but when Gab is reading the calendar one of the meeting places is the Cleveland Casino, where Thomas was in the first scenario… he figured out that his daughter was Rose and wanted to get her out! So he broke into the house, Rose stole the money, and he took her and Irene away.
The worst part is I think those kids probably should never have been taken. Hannah's voice-mail proves she was unprofessional - the kids were malnourished because of Hazel stowing money, not because of neglect. Any proper investigation should have shown that. Missing a pick up is also not worthy of the state taking custody.
It's ironic - the first series shows the long term effects of sloppy investigation... in a game all about investigation.
I was thinking that as the whole CPS storyline went down. It’s pretty easy to see why Hazel was malnourished, and it’s never confirmed that Thomas was late because he was gambling, it could’ve been that he just got stuck in traffic. The house was clean and there WAS food, even if it wasn’t very much. There’s ample evidence that Katherine was doing everything in her power to make sure her kids were taken care of, she’s just a single mom who made the mistake of trusting a gambling addict. I feel like the most reasonable course of action was getting her some government assistance and maybe dictating that Thomas could not have custody of them until he’d demonstrated his addiction was under control.
And yeah, look what happened. Hazel went from a poor but loving home to a foster care system, where she was either kidnapped and forced into sex work, or ran away and manipulated into it. And thinking about it now, it’s possible Hazel later realized why they were taken away, and that it was a direct result of her starving herself for a doll. That couldn’t have been easy.
the game gets a few bad reviews on steam.. idk what to say lol
@@sulsulii810He might not have been gambling but he was a two to three hour drive away an hour and a half before he needed to pick up the kids. That’s not traffic or bad luck, that’s a time management issue and when it comes to raising kids it’s negligent.
It was still a poor choice to take the kids away. Any proper investigation would have seen that Katherine had just gotten a promising new job, and was doing everything in her power to make sure the kids were fed. She specifically told Hazel that the money was only for food, but Hazel is also eight years old and can’t be expected to make mature and rational decisions. Not sure why Hazel was put in foster care while Nicholas went to their father, maybe she ran away before the dad was able to take them.
I agree, but I think the voicemail was left by Gina. I think she was probably waiting for Thomas to drop the kids off after school, and when he didn’t, she left that message for the parents and subsequently called CPS. I could be wrong though.
@@Clockwork_Magic Yeah that could be - it looked like Gina would babysit the kids at Katherine's home, though, so it didn't make sense to me that she would call the home phone if she was there in the obviously empty house. I would have thought she would call Katherine at one of her jobs, or her cell phone.
For the first case, we know that CPS was called when Hazel went to the hospital with malnutrition. Hannah talked to Hazel and the school. She made plans to talk to Thomas, seeing as he is Katherine's significant other in the scenario. Also, the bus times paper stated that CPS was coming down on the school district to make sure parents were picking up their kids. Stands to reason that Hannah was the worker on the case and when the school called CPS when Thomas didn't pick up Nicholas and Hazel, she said enough is enough and took the kids into state custody.
Alright
You picked up a pair of boots by the safe in Phillip’s room, I’m sure the tread probably matches. Thomas was going to unalive himself in the bedroom, but got interrupted by someone coming in through the door and Phillip shot him. He fell into the table and broke it when he died.
I think. What a sad case.
Also, you know Thomas wouldn't have left a picture of Catherine in the blood of Phillip if he was the killer. So we knew Thomas was the one who died.
Furthermore, the person who entered through the window (Thomas, because he didn't have his house key) had footprints leading to the dead body and not leading to anywhere else. Thus Thomas was also the one who died, and not by his own hand as the state of his room would suggest he'd choose a different method to go.
No Thomas wasn’t going to kill himself he was only just entering his apartment from the window when Philip walked in through the door which then (you can see from the scene) they got into a brawl with Thomas dying
@@HiraethMorii He was probably going to kill himself before he got the message that Hazel was going to die. He hadn't seen the little girl for a while at that point.
@@AdamPersson Hazel is missing and he has no clue who Rose is only Irene since he bonded with her after visiting his ex-wife’s grave
On the last case, the footprints tie in with the weather forecast on the computer. The first set coming in through the window are dry (Thomas coming back without his key - matching the early weather forecast), then the set through the door using the keys left at Phillip’s are wet and muddy (matching the storm in the latter bit of the weather forecast). I think Thomas had changed his mind about unaliving himself because after he was shot by Phillip it looks like he trashed the kitchen to find the first aid kit and collapsed at the table with it?
I think the dog probably bit Thomas when he saved the girls, hence the first aid kit on the table and the drops of blood by the door.
The rope could have been set up in advance but he either didn't go through with it or was interrupted by Phillip.
@@MidnightArcher oh that's such a good point I overlooked!
idkk, who gets shot in the head and can walk around to find first aid tho
there was also like first aid stuff at the pimp house i think, and the wallet near the outline was empty so im thinkin maybe phillip trashed his place afterwards lookin for stuff to steal, and took his money and his like sterilization stuff for his drugginess. idk its hard to keep up with all the info lol.
i dont know why his id wouldnt be in his wallet tho or why it would have absolutely nothing in it
@@CellarSpiderRae depends on where you're shot in the head...People with brain injuries, even bullet wounds, absolutely can get up and walk around. It usually doesn't completely paralyze you unless it hits a specific area of the brain.
@@AnxietyRat why would Tom walk to the otherside of the table if he was trying to bandage himself up. I think Tom also shot Phil and Phil tried to address his wound. Hince the wet foot prints in the kitchen
I think the saddest part is that it seems like Thomas was in the process of getting ready to unalive himself when the calls from Irene interrupted him and he went to go save them, only to later get unalived by Phillip because he left his key in Phillip’s apartment. Such a sad case but amazing storytelling
Killed. The word is killed
@@mattparker8747It’s called an algorithm. It censors “bad” words.
You can say suicide…It’s not a dirty word
@@poshiey1734 it's because of censorship and algorhythms. Maybe not a problem in YT comments but apparently in TikTok and sometimes instagram so people just say "unalive" to go around the censorship.
this was pretty amazing, once you get all the right answers they should cut the scene to show you how it all played out in the mind of the detective and that would reveal that particular case from beginning to end. I dig it when Gabs plays these detective/mystery genre games so fun to ride along and piece it together good choice Gabs. very entertaining
Oh no he was visiting the cemetery next to the park because that’s where Katherine was buried 🥺 that just made me even more upset about this
What a tragic story...a lot of sad realisations come to light when you look a the clues. First off, just the fact that Hazel was only a small child who wanted something that would fulfil her need for play and companionship and saw a way of getting it, but had no idea that she would unwittingly cause herself to be separated from her parents. If she had never skipped her meals she wouldn't have collapsed. That Thomas regretted his actions so strongly that he would dedicate the next 23 years of his life to trying to find her again was devastating. First thing that really set off alarms though was the tone of voice in Stephanie's letter to her sister- she sounds so young. Then the difficulty of the math homework made me realise Irene is probably in her early teens...I think Rose may have been Phillip's first prostitute since he went on to brand everyone else with a rose tattoo. Those poor girls...Finally, I think based on the time of the receipt and the ignored called from his friend Todd, Thomas was planning to end his life that morning. He got everything set up when he got the text from Irene and then left to go help them. He returned later that morning while it was still dry, hung his bloody shirt up and then tried to patch himself up. Hard to tell what happened in the time between his return and Phillip breaking in and killing him but I'd like to think that after finding his daughter and grand daughter and helping them escape that maybe he might have had a change of heart. It wasn't until after he'd been killed that Hazel was able to call him, I wonder if she'd ever want to meet her dad again...
Philip never regretted anything? He knew what he was doing with the prostitutes. Also Rose and Irene aren’t confirmed to be related to him Hazel wasn’t ever found
@@HiraethMorii I think op meant Thomas was the one who regretted
@@Hardyb0y51 oh yep that's what I meant! Will edit haha
He bought the rope the day after rescuing them, so it wasn't set up, and then he got the text from Irene, it's the other way around, which really confuses me - why would he plan to kill himself after finally finding his long-lost daughter? Some one please explain this detail to me!
Text from Irene: 11/15/2018 7:14pm
Receipt buying rope: 11/16/2018 09:23am
@@HiraethMorii Yes, it's confirmed that Rose is Hazel. There's a picture in Rose's phone from Hazel's bedside table.
Remember, if you see rope and booze on the same receipt, it's either someone going on a trip and forgot rope/need to finish a project... or they are not doing too hot mentally 😥
Can sadly confirm.
They’re either going camping or committing Minecraft exit game. There is no in between
I know its a game about mystery and solving cases but the fact that Gab was able to just sniff the air and say "Sean is cooking." Is so funny and random. Honestly one of my favorite couples.
I think its so cute how Sean started calling Evelien "Goobus" and now she uses that as a name in games. It shows how much he really means to her.
I recommend you the video called “Parasocial” from Chilla’s Art.
@@theIaurenshowwhat?
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@@theIaurenshowhow dare they say that someone's public relationship is cute. Its totally the same as showing up to a celebs house /s
I see the pattern here, when I get a notification from TH-cam at 6pm I know it's from Gab. It always makes me happy! 😁
Same! She's my dinner companion😊
slayyy, that just made me turn on notifs :p
for me it’s 12pm lol
I get mines at 11 AM and I hate it because I’m at work, consulting 💔
12pm too 🎉 ready for the evening
I guess Thomas felt extremely guilty for screwing up everyone’s lives with his gambling. He tried to make up for it a little by looking for and helping his daughter.
I thought for sure the stranger in the park was Nicholas. Like, maybe they specifically described him as old and I just forgot, but it made way more sense narratively to have Hazel’s loving brother be the one to save her than her gambling addict almost stepdad. I like how they did it though; it was very easy to paint Thomas as a villain in the first part, but by having him come back we can see him as a devoted fiancée and protector. It’s too bad he wasn’t given more of a chance to get his addiction under control, because his actions at the end show he would’ve been a good dad.
I hope we get a second part of this! It’s so good
If this concept is interesting to you, you may wanna look into the Nutshell Studies, from Frances Glessner Lee. They're MINIATURE crime scenes she made herself. They're still used today to train detectives/officers in solving crimes, and this totally reminds me of it. It's the same idea, you have a closed space, full of details, some of which are important and others that aren't at all. I wonder if they inspired this game at all.
I remember a short video by Vox about this! It was really interesting and a bit eerie (which I love)
love this!! thanks for the rec, much needed to distract myself from all the stress this week, accumulated from work and mostly family issues.
Thanks for the rec, really interesting to read up on!
Katherine had a diary in her bag that said rules out Gina as someone who can pick up the kids... CPS lady was the only person who could have picked them up :((
As someone who has dealt with very dumb family members dealing with CPS, no matter what they will try to get them back with their parents so even if someone calls them CPS main goal is to first make sure the child is safe but always go back to the parents before foster care. Tbh I don’t understand why because some parents aren’t meant to be one but it’s just what CPS does
I’m from a 2nd world country, and working related to a CPS equivalent. The system here is quite the same. There’s too many problems and not enough resources. And I can assured you, after seen so much, huge proportion of parents are just bunch of A-holes-completely piece of sh-t.
unfortunately there are not enough foster care spaces, and foster care is subsidized by the government. So both to save government money and to save the resource for those who need it most (among many other reasons), the preferred sustainable solution is to support parents to take care of their own children
@@msadm1225I would never say foster care is the answer of course but when a child has to go back to someone abusive, into drugs, non caring, etc it’s never good. I’ve seen the effects of it on my cousins, scared they won’t get food again, scared their parents will do it again, also kids are judgemental of them. One of my aunts second oldest is unfortunately going down the same path his mother took, he even got a younger girl knocked up last I heard and it’s just sad to see. I wish there was a better option since the country always preaches about its future kids but we don’t have any good options for them when something bad happens to them, the government is a mess with a lot of things
@@silvermeasuringspoons6462exactly this! One of my aunts pretty much profits off her children for free resources like food stamps, she got a bunch of money during the stimulus checks. I remember when my grandma took in my cousins yet again wanting to profit off them as well to write them on her taxes because in my state they get so much money per child under 18. Unfortunately the system is just so broken
i really hope we get more of this game! It was fun to bust out a notebook and write down all the clues! I wanna do this more!! :DDD
In the first scenario, Hazel did buy the doll, the box is empty next to her bed
I backed this game!! I beat it and felt very proud of myself. These cases are definitely sad but very intriguing.
I’m working on my master’s degree in social work. It’s going to break my heart to work with cases like this. I don’t think the voicemail was Hannah, it was too unprofessional and would hurt her case. I’d think it was Gina upset that she isn’t being paid.
I think it was the school's principal or something. "Taking things into my own hands" meaning "I will call CPS now"
@@Alexseya I'm late to the party but I just looked back. The document from the school has the number for the Superintendent and I checked the phone number that the voicemail is from and they don't match. My other thought was that the school maybe tried to call Gina when Thomas didn't show and she was fed up with being used as a parent while not getting paid so she encouraged the CPS call by the school. That phone call didn't sound professional like a CPS worker or a School Administrator. It sounded like an angry employee to me.
In Missing Scenario 2, Spike is the guard dog, which is why he doesn't like strangers. The dog went after Thomas, doing his job, and was unfortunately killed for it. Thomas dropped his keys in the struggle with Spike, so he had to enter through the window. Also, the "ice" in the freezer probably isn't frozen water...it's meth. That's the baggies of white powder around the house. At first I thought Phillip was a drug dealer and the girls were going to be used as drug mules, but I think Phillip is just their pimp and lets them do meth so they can get high and not focus on being prostitutes.
I guess in the end Thomas redeemed himself by saving his fiance's daughter and her daughter, but a sad way to go. At least both Nicholas and Hazel were safe in the end. Being an addict doesn't mean that you don't care about people, but the pull of the addiction is just stronger. I'm glad he got clean and saved Hazel and Irene in the end. The sad part is that Hazel probably didn't even recognize him and he was just a kind stranger who had played with her daughter.
I'm still wondering about the AED on the bed though. Did someone od or was it just in the closet with the safe? Those are for shocking the heart when someone's heart stops or when it needs to be shocked back to normal rhythm if it's beating too fast. I can understand someone with that much meth in the house would have one. Huh...maybe he was dealing in addition to pimping.
Hazel isnt confirmed to be rose and Hazel and Nicholas are both Thomas’s kids
@@HiraethMorii Why would Rose have a picture of hazels family in her phone?? Who else would rose be? They made it pretty obvious rose=hazel.
I love when you play these games, it’s oddly relaxing.
Her voice 😊
This was so good!! I would lovee to see you play more of this. I dont get to catch streams on twitch very often due to work. But i love that you upload a cut down version on youtube! I was working the case along side you lol
I love using this big ol brain to figure mysteries out.
Gab!!! I'm so excited to see you play this game finally! In Scenario 2 on Missing, the tag on "Emma's" bag can be flipped over. Rose gave Emma her money the night Emma got robbed. Hence: Phillip beat Rose for falling short on quota. You are supposed to assume that if Phillip's girl's get hurt or hospitalized..... he probably beat them. Marley, Rose, and Stephanie.
this is so fun to watch but also heart breaking 😭 can't wait to see the next case
I think my least favorite thing about this game is the lack of answers when it comes to the story telling. Painscreeks Killings had a super intricate story and so much more actually to it. I think the downfall here was that they " took out evidence " to make it harder to get the answers to the exam questions. I dunno. I think there's too much left to the imagination on what actually happened to everyone etc. but that might just be me.
The dev talked about this, Painscreek is a story based game Scene investigator isn’t
When crime makes a good video, Gab is often the source.
Literally was just looking for a gabs video to watch and unwind with! Excited for this one :)
There is a purse with a calendar/planner to help pull the information together for Missing in Scenario 1 that I don't think you found, which helps put the information together, which you deduced anyways!!! This was a good game but a heartbreaking story.
the way im so invested in this series. can't wait for the other ones!
So this is my general understanding .. I could be very wrong though
Thomas got a text from Irene at around 9:30 on the 15th of November, that Hazel was in trouble. He went over, saved her, but the dog attacked him so he was injured, he went back through the window cause he forgot the keys, that's why the footprints from the window looked faded, it's a day old. He patched himself up and called it a day.
At 9:23 am 16th of November, Thomas went to the grocery store to get items to .. unalive himself (it's the same date that his fiance, Katherine, took her own life). I think Thomas changed his mind though when he got the voice message at 9:31 am from Irene.
And that's when mister trashcan Phillip came in and killed Thomas by shooting him (it was later in the day, around 10 am as per the weather thingy). He just used the keys left in the previous house and entered through the front door and shot him.
I also don't think Hannah was a good person.. I think Hannah was a friend of Gina's who took Hazel as a kid and sold her off after she was taken from Katherine and Thomas under the pretense of CPS involvement.
Hazel isn’t confirmed to be Rose so he didn’t do it for that reason
She literally is. The picture that was stashed in Rose's phone case confirms that Hazel is Rose and Rose is Hazel.@@HiraethMorii
@@HiraethMorii Yes she is, the photo on Hazel's desk matches the photo in Rose's phone case (29:58 & 1:38:26.)
actually cried near the end of the video, when I saw Thomas's search for Hazel
damn, what a sad and depressing setup, all the stories are just people suffering, breaks my heart so much
I think Thomas was going to kill himself until Irene called for help. He met Hazel again and saved them, then he came home and Phillip killed him
Seems more obvious too with his phone just half hazardly thrown to the floor like he was in a hurry!
Naw because he bought the rope the day after he saved them
He never met Hazel, he was looking for her but never found her
@@Goseakelp Probably wanted to die but wanted to find his daughter first. Fix things before he left.
Since “The painscreek killings” I’ve been loving these types of games where you can move around the crime scenes and analyse everything yourself
In the first missing scenario, I think you missed the Katherine's diary, left of the tv, in there she writes that Ms Olson keeps calling her, and she has to call her back. So the missing calls and the angry message of the -9753 phone, are definitely from Hannah Olson 😉
I can’t hear sad piano music with the sound of rain without thinking ‘Press X Shaun!’
This reminds me of the Nutshell studies. They're meticulously recreated crime scenes in miniature, originally used for training detectives on crime scene investigation. Students would be given an accompanying case file. But just like these, all you'll know is what you can deduce. You won't be told if you're wrong or right - because that's how it works in real life.
it's hinted that hannah took the kids through the planner that's found in kathrin's bag in the living room, it said "ms. olson keeps calling, call her back", the number that kept appearing in the call logs was hannah's and she's the one that said "i'm taking things into my own hands".
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i literally cried during the third scenario, i felt so bad for thomas, he probably blamed everything on himself because had he not spent so much time gambling the kids would have never been taken away and his fiance would still be alive. he never knew that everything happened because hannah just wanted a new toy and was skipping meals to save money.
such a tragic story, the fact that he will never know who rose truly is is genuinely heartbreaking
Game says: not all interactable items are important
Not all uninteractable items are unimportant
Gab: hm can't interact with it must not be important 😂😂😂❤
We need parts two and three. This game is so thrilling to watch and to see you play it
That voicemail from Hazel to Thomas said "New".... so he never got to hear his daughter's last words to him 😢
Not to be nitpicky, but I don't think it is fair to TW this with "prostitution" when the portrayed scenario is decidedly sex trafficking. Prostitution kind of implies will and consent, which is clearly absent if the girls are underage, and beat or killed for trying to escape.
Nope. That is prostitution. The human trafficking and loss of freedom. Often tied to brothels.
Youre thinking about s e x work and s e x workers. Those are the adults who want to do the work.
Very different situation
Life’s tough.
It sure is! Especially for teenage girls being sex trafficked. @@Shut_upJessica
I could be wrong but I believe it’s still considered prostitution legally. It’s also sex trafficking.
I also know when I think of prostitution, this is what I often think of.
@@crazyminegamer2339 Not that the legality means much as police often dehumanise and treat victims of s exual trafficking horribly
I think I know how you're supposed to deduct that Thomas in the intruder/nice man at the park in Scenario #2 without touching Scenario #3. He writes his number and "call me if you need anything" on the back of Irene's treasure hunt list, which you find in a box in Irene's room. This handwriting matches the handwriting in the cards Thomas wrote to Katherine in Scenario #1 early on in their relationship. That's the connection. I think the game hopes/assumes/expects that you will recognise the writing on the back of the treasure hunt list and match it to the cards in the previous scenario. It's the only thing that I could find that connects the first two scenarios (ignoring anything in the 3rd), it's a difficult connection to discover naturally.
Yesss I’ve been waiting for this! (Not anticipating the very real and dark story, but well told). I love this style of games and like Painscreek though! I wish there were more games like them. ♥️
Also I would like this case to be made into a book because it's a interesting and sad story. It would make for a good cry, my eyes were starting to sting just from what you gathered in this scenario.
Me watching gab because I have a migraine and her voice is soothing and doesn’t cause overstimulation
Same.. I hope you feel better soon ❤️
I actually went crazy the amount of times you picked up Rose's journal and never finished reading it.
when you complete the case you can review the case file and it explains everything that happened!!
I really hope you play the rest of the cases. This was very sad but very good watch. Loved everything about this video
I've basically watched the whole last half of this through my fingers saying "oh my God, oh my God" every two minutes.
I was just thinking about the demo you played of this game. So excited to see it finally out!
patiently waiting for part two
man I really love watching these types of games man they are great little brain teasers and when chat chimes in and helps it's like we are all a bunch of amateur detectives all workin to solve some cold cases or something it's so much fun. It definitely made me want to check them out for myself, and get my friends and family to try with me and see who can get them right and who is super observant and who isn't lol :). These by far are some of my favorite types of videos of yours that you do on your channel Thank you for taking the time to play through them fully like this.
Please play more of these they’re so interesting!!
I definitely want to see the rest of this, it's really fun trying to solve the cases along with you!
Currently sick with the flu and watching this makes being sick less miserable.
Heyyy sick w the flu too watching goobus, godspeed
I’ve been so stoked to watch you play this!! Time to buckle up!!
I would love to see more of this game! Understanding the cases is difficult but i was so enthralled by all the clues
Thomas never answered his phone when Todd and Hazel called him meaning he was already dead as the voicemails were also new and unread. The key in the door indicates Phillip and the dry mud on the window matches Thomas’s time frame of coming in the window earlier since he didn’t have his key. Making Phillip the killer and Thomas the victim. If that makes sense
As sad as these are, I really enjoyed this! I hope to see you do the rest ❤
Gab I love all your videos! They are so relaxing! Especially ones like this and the hotel one you did
I watched this yesterday and can't stop thinking about it. This game is like exactly what I wanted out out of a whodunnit game. Im getting ready to watch it again to hold me over until the next episode. Thanks gab
This was so enthralling, would love to see you do the next cases!!
Please continue this as a series!!!!
More of this! This was soooo fun!
I just watched the demo for this game the other day! Great timing!
good game and its always good to see Gab solving puzzles that I would've frankly given up on solving lol.
About the ages of the girls....the actual real life average age for a female prostitute to ENTER prostitution is 13. Seventeen if anything would almost be "old" for some of these trafficking systems. That also VERY much is what this is - human trafficking. Pimps and other evil people who profit off this have done a great job spreading around PR that "Sex Work" is liberating and empowering but they don't want you to know how plainly depressing and heartbreaking the real life experiences of women and girls (like what we see in this game) really is.
(also before someone adds this, the age for male prostitution to begin IS a little later....by about two years. Its a nasty trade made by evil people, for evil people. the least we can do is stop spreading their propaganda for them and call it what it is.)
sex work is sex work. trafficking is trafficking, rape is rape. a pimp can lie about what they are, but they are a pimp, trafficking out women, who are experiencing trafficking, and rape.
words mean things. the fact that SO many sex workers have spoken on their experiences and views and demands at this point and *still* there are people like you, who are so "concerned", that straight up ignore or write them all off as stupid or performing PR isn't surprising, but it is sad. of course they don't know what they're talking about, they're just deluded (read: you think they're icky for what they do), right?
fuck you, sincerely. you contribute to the harm that SEX WORKERS do actually face due to patronizing and stigma. i still hope you never have to experience being treated like nothing but an irrational talking point for something you CHOSE to do with your life.
and i also hope you put that energy into the actual root problem, which is that we're forced to do labor for profit in order to even live at all. you can argue that all sex work is inherently under duress, but you can't do that without arguing that anything that forces us to use and abuse ourselves for money is also then inherently under duress. it's survive or die; sex workers choose to do sex work, and many of them enjoy it. but tackle that, and the largest motivator for trafficking (profitable rape) crumbles.
@@matts9871I think you really demonstrate your lack of consideration for the opinions of survivors and excited women from prostitution when you "correct" criticism of the trade to an issue with capitalist labor practices. Please listen to real survivors and stop using the phrase "sex work" because whether you mean to or not that is spreading propaganda engineered by pimps.
Yeah, being a prostitute and working at McDonald's are both exploitable positions, but your golden arches manager isn't allowed to beat you, tattoo you to show his ownership of you, and make you have sex you don't want. Sure, under capitalism, all labor is coercive, but we have a specific and accurate word for coerced sex of any kind, and it's rape. IDK Matt S if you would think this way if you had to choose between being homeless and being fucked by men. 🤷 Prostitution isn't pretty and it's not worth defending.
*exited women
@@matts9871 did someone get upset at my comment correcting your pimp apologism and report it, or is youtube just hiding comments weirdly lol
i check this channel nearly every day now in hopes that you continued this series, tried watching some others play it but it's not the same!
I really hope Gab plays the rest of this game, it honestly has me invested already
PART 2 pleeeeeeaaaaase im begging you
PLEASE tell me you plan to play more of this, i’m so invested and i love the gameplay style
Omg please post another one of these
wow i was NOT expecting it to go this far
This was great! Can't wait to see the other case files.
Also: the "apartint" made me laugh, I remember that video.
I'm so stoked this is out. Can't wait to watch this with a nice cup of tea :D
I love investigating with gab ❤
This story was so tragic and so well told... I love the format of this game. Very creative!
I could've sworn stephanie was tattooed because of the note on her bed 😮
She was but she already had it done
Oh wow this is really sad! Such a great game though, I can't wait to see the rest
this game is INCREDIBLE omg i’m so invested, I NEED MOORRAAAA >:3 Goobus the Great Detective on duty!
just had a llong day of physio! glad to see you on now i can relax!
i know this is a super serious video but i cant help but hear bbs cute meows at 1:21:04, please tell me im not the only one 😂
Please play the other case files! I love the way this game is set up. It’s like Nancy drew but with heavier more realistic cases
A great way to tell a story. LOVE DETECTIVES,TRU CRIIIIME
Was laying in bed to go to sleep early as getting up early, but then murder investigation and Gabs! Not much sleeping tonight
I cannot wat for part 2!!
imma go make food real quick for this :D
Please do more of these! They are dark but I like the story telling
Carsten P. Jordan has one hell of a fancy signature 😲
God this is so confusing. Looking at it as separate cases makes sense but then knowing both are connected makes my head hurt. haha
This was really interesting to watch! I hope you do the other cases!
I love investigation and detective games! I’ve been playing a lot of shadows of doubt recently. It’s very blocky and it has a dystopian twist to it but I still enjoy playing it.
When is the next episode? This was sad but interesting
I wanna see more of this, the investigations are quite well done overall.
These stories are so sad D :
I loved this!
I hope you play the rest of the game in separate streams 🤞🏻
This game is amazing! “True” crime and a video game together is my perfect cup of tea! Please continue to play this game if you choose to. I already really liked this game from the first scenario, but seeing that that 3 scenarios were all connected was mind blowing !
I had to go back to this part, but when Gab is reading the calendar one of the meeting places is the Cleveland Casino, where Thomas was in the first scenario… he figured out that his daughter was Rose and wanted to get her out! So he broke into the house, Rose stole the money, and he took her and Irene away.