I liked that they showed Jane being one of Catherine of Aragon's maids of honour in Henry VIII. They didn't show her before Anne's arrival in the other movies and tv shows I watched.
Throwing in "Six" and "Anna Bolena" makes perfect sense, though they aren't "on screen" representations. They're still acted representations, so they work well in the context of your rating videos.
2:46 "I did not hit Henry, it is Bullshit, I did not hit him. I DID NAHT... oh hi Mark Smeaton. Tell me, how is your sex life?" - Anne Boleyn, probably
No offence to Jane, but I feel like Lesley Paterson was too young and pretty for the role (as well as having the wrong hair colour). She would have made a good Catherine Howard.
Anne Stallybrass is literally the perfect Jane of Seymour to me. I thought the characterization was spot-on, where she's kind and gentle but also intelligent and struggling and not a total doormat. And she's also possibly THE only actress I've seen play the role who actually resembles the surviving portraits of Jane. I would probably have rated Emilia's Fox's version higher than you did - it's true that she doesn't get a lot of scenes, but when she does speak her mind it's on issues we know the real Jane actually did care about, and I like that they let her stand up to Henry even though they then take it way too far by having him throw her down while she's pregnant (which I agree, the real Henry would never have done). But I may also be influenced because I like Emilia Fox as an actress (funnily enough with the Rebecca comparisons you made in this video, she actually played the 2nd Mrs. de Winter in the 1997 Rebecca miniseries, which I highly recommend!)
I really enjoyed this video! Have been loving this series. To be entirely honest, I cannot stand the portrayals of Jane Seymour as the sweet and innocent girl -- possibly because they always seem to depend on Anne Boleyn being awful and somehow 'deserving' what she got, but likely also because I just cannot fathom how anyone could think a 29-year-old woman who had been at court for at least a decade, and saw the court go through two of the biggest scandals of the century, could be unaware of what she was doing. I also just cannot credit that any woman could watch what he did to Katherine (whom she loved) and then to Anne, and fall in love with him anyway? I can understand interpretations where she's got no choice really and doesn't actually love him but is a good wife, but the idea that she could watch him cheat on, emotionally and later physically abuse Katherine (by deliberately forcing her to live in dangerously unsafe places when her health was deteriorating), emotionally abuse and blackmail and threaten his own child, and cheat on, have furious arguments with and threaten, publicly condemn, accuse of incest, treason, and adultery, and then straight up murder, and destroy all images of Anne aND THEN FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM. I just. I cannot wrap my head around it. Surely it cannot be possible. Surely. I enjoyed your take on Jane's song in Six, as it being a reflection of her awareness of how much Henry doesn't love really love her, but I find that I have to skip it every time because it makes me so annoyed that they framed her as a being defined by her loving qualities after suggesting that she might be more than she seemed. It sounds at first like they're going to give us a more complex interpretation of her character but it really felt like a bog-standard 'insert-good-wife-character-here' interpretation instead... I'd be interested to hear more of your thoughts on Six's portrayals of the queens. :)
Wow! you actually were able to present a calm and convincing argument , and I applaud you for that, it’s hard to find people like that on the internet. And honestly I agree I hate how people portray Jane as a never moving lover of Henry, and while I do believe that Jane did have affection for Henry, she wasn’t completely naïve of Henry only wanting her for her children. And like Anne Boleyn she knew how to play the political game. However, I do applaud Six for blatantly stating in her song that Jane is aware that this is a mostly one-sided relationship.
I’m sure you’ve read Hilary Mantel’s series by now but I can’t agree that Cromwell sees Jane as meek and humble. Cromwell sees her as somewhat of a strategist. She cleverly appears to be everything Ann isn’t. She plays a long game. Not very educated but very intuitive. She knows how to keep quiet and when to be theatrical, like when she kissed Henry’s letter and made sure there were witnesses. Cromwell wants to know what mechanisms are turning in Jane’s head. She’s mysterious. That’s why he has a fondness for her. She’s a bit of an assassin but she’s stealthy. I mean, what kind of person would willingly marry the man who just cut off the head of her predecessor? You’ve got to have nerves of steel to do that. She covers it well.
Omg! When you did the parody of Jane's death mashed up with starwars, and did your impression of ray Winston, I died laughing!!!! I laughed so hard. Thank you. I needed that.
I'm so glad you included Anna Bolena. I love the opera and it provides a lot of scope for characterization. Since there are recorded films of the staged productions, I think you can justify it as "on screen."
When I say heart of stone broke me, I mean it BROKE me! I must confess that before I didn’t see much in Jane, but it showed me how truly heartbreaking her story was
When you get to Anne of Cleves I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised with her portrayal in The Private Life of Henry VIII. I don't want to spoiler too much in case you haven't seen it all the way through but I like how she plays an active part in the dissolution of her marriage and it's actually framed as a positive for her.
Your channel is becoming one of my favourite Tudor channels - these videos on how popular culture influenced and responded to our view of history are brilliant!
If you loved Anna Bolena (So do I, it's my fave Jane portrayal tbh), watch the broadcast from the MET, also with Anna Netrebko. It's like a HOLBEIN PAINTING COME TO LIFE, it's AMAZING. As for audio recordings and the imo GREATEST ANNA BOLENA to this day, listen to the live broadcast from La Scala with Maria Callas (She brought that opera out of obscurity). Callas IS SPINE CHILLING and HEARTBREAKING as Anna and the rest of the cast is also FANTASTIC. Loved this video, Alice, you're getting SO GOOD at this, I can't wait for your channel to take off bc it WILL!!
When season 3 started, I was confused because Jane seemed different, but the recap from previous seasons included the NEW actress. I thought I was going crazy. As I always watched with my elderly parents, I had no immediate access to the internet and had to hold my bewilderment in check until I got home to use 21st century methods of answering any of those pesky "where have I seen that actress before?" and "what song is that in the background?" questions. Whew...not crazy (well, at least THIS was not proof)...they'd actually changed actresses
I have gained more of an appreciation for Jane and Anne’s songs in Six from your ranking videos, but the implication that Jane might still be with Henry just doesn’t sit right with me. I’ll have to check out that opera you mentioned tho, seems interesting.
Well we’re finally getting a follow up to Wolf Hall. Despite several recasts that are happening Kate Phillips as Jane Seymour is thankfully not one of them.
I just started watching your channel and you’re amazing !! I love the use of memes on this video, and you’re so 100% correct on all you’re opinions regarding the tudors and the adaptations surrounding them!
I love these videos. They’re simultaneously entertaining and informative. I usually don’t comment on videos but I’m hoping this helps improve the algorithm and bring attention to your channel.
I think Jane was a lot more ambitious and intelligent than people usually give her credit for, and if anything, she may have justified to herself that taking Anne's place was the right thing to do to bring back Catholicism to the realm (this was a time where people were very devout, after all). I don't think she went in expecting that Anne would be executed, though - she *was* an anointed queen and everyone, including Jane, probably expected her to be sent to a nunnery or be under house arrest. Like, come on, Eleanor of Aquitaine and Isabella of France did things in terms of treason that were arguably worse than what Anne was accused of, and we don't know how Jane reacted to the news. Just because nothing is recorded about it didn't mean she stayed placid and didn't care. And if anything, she may have had trouble getting pregnant precisely because she was under a lot of stress (understandable). Speaking for myself, I can skip a few months when I get extremely anxious, and I'm not anywhere close to the levels of stress Jane might have experienced.
so just binged the Jane Seymor episodes....honey it was worth the wait...go ata apace that is best for you....you got this I love it...I'm hooked. The later wives I have less knowledge on as like you said most focus on Anne which usually goes from the divorce until Jane's death.
Regarding Jane in Wolf Hall there is a deleted scene where Mary is packing up after being banished from court over her 2nd marriage. Jane is alone with Cromwell as she's taking down a canopy and Mary walks back in right as he helps Jane down and it's depicted as an awkward moment when Mary walks in on them
Jodie turner smith 4 words The Emperors New Clothes. Am I the only one who sees this??such a shame Hillary Mantel died so we cant get a Jane Seymour sequel.Well done doing the opera version I never saw it before!!
Same here. Lynne Frederick really captured how very young poor Catherine was, and Tamzin Merchant did a good job of that as well. A kind-hearted soul, but naive because she's simply not old enough to have learned wisdom yet.
Totally agree on Rebecca. Fantastic comparison. Have loved the book and movie since my teens. X I am reading Jane the Quene by Janet Wertman. I think you would like it, if you have not read it. It is based on the little we know of Jane, but fleshed out with things that would have happened during the Tudors time period. That said, I am still reading it. Thanks for your fun and informative videos.
If I remember rightly there were a lot of complaints to the BBC when The Tudors was first broadcast about the amount of sex scenes in the show so it was toned down alot after the first season
I may be wrong, but I always thought of Jane as a Catholic sympathizer. I don't know from what type of family she came from, but it was considered a crime to remain loyal to the "bishop of Rome", so it may have been obscured by history, because it was dangerous. But Chapuys referred to Anne Boleyn as "the concubine." And never acknowledged that Catherine was not the Queen. Given this interpretation, Jane would not have felt she was doing anything wrong, because by that time, Catherine had died, and so the King was free, because Catholics would not have recognized Anne as Queen, because she married Henry while Catherine still lived. Those with influence over her may have convinced her that God would reward her and her family if England could be returned to the Catholic fold, if she gave Henry the longed for son. And she may have been convinced, in the same way Henry was convinced that "it was no true marriage" because he had no son after 20 years of marriage. Superstitions of the time seemed to be that the Pope's dispensation held, Catherine was his true wife, but had NOT been a "maiden" upon her marriage to Henry and so the marriage, while legal, was not "fruitful" according to Leviticus etc. But if the King could make a "true marriage" to a true "maiden" then God would bless the marriage and all would be well, and England could be reunited with Rome and the interdict lifted. I'm no historian, but that is how I always viewed her reasoning for marrying him, when it seemed a dangerous thing to do.
I think you’re funny. A lot of your critiques are EXTREMELY funny. I’m old but you have a genuine gift for putting those EXACT thoughts of MINE to words. That Twitter parody at the end of this video, FUNNY!!! I’d share your videos but I’m the “weird book learn-ed geek”of the Coven. Sometimes I think My friends only remain bcuz ONE DAY, they might catch a glimpse of understanding ANYTHING that comes out my mouth. Keep on posting. I look forward to your take on Catherine Howard. I understand your obsession with Anne Boleyn (why do I always spell that wrong?) & Catherine of Aragon bcuz they WERE the 2 longest relationships of Henry VIII. They knew him when he WAS young & full of hope. Later he became bitter & resentful. But the other 4 are interesting bcuz they’re unknown other than the “Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived”. Keep up the videos, they’re entertaining & your take is refreshing. Btw thank you for mentioning who you draw your ideas from & I’m so proud that I already subscribe to all of them!!!
Loved it 💖😍 A shame Emilia Fox had such bad material to work with. When I first heard that she once played Jane Seymour I thought it made perfect sense as Emilia has that demure kinda pretty kinda plain quality about her. Annabelle Wallis was too modern and pretty to play Jane in The Tudors. Anita Briem was a better option. Jane should feature more in onscreen depictions as she not only served Anne but Catherine too. Jane is an enigma really, we don't know if she was boring or a schemer, maybe somewhere in between.
My list of favorite portrayals of Jane Seymour (who actually is my least favorite Queen) 1. Annabelle Wallis on the Tudors 2. Kate Philipps in Wolf Hall 3. Anita Briem in the Tudors
Henry VIII and his six wives should rank above the Tudors, because the Tudors lacked proper research, Keith Michell was an exceptional Henry VIII. The part was properly portrayed,and all the clothing was properly researched, including the women's head dresses. Catherine of Aragon played by Frances Chuka, and Annette Crosbie, was, correctly, portrayed as having red/gold hair, as was princess Mary. Henry didn't stick around when Jane died, he got out fast, he was terrified of death, and Jane was too ill after Edwards birth to get up and get dressed, she died 12 days after her son was born.
Very interesting, I look forward to the next. I feel you deserve far more recognition than you have at the moment. You will succeed because your style and presentation is superb. (Also, you have a very pretty cat 🐈⬛. I also have a black and white cat 🐈⬛ ). It’s hard to get to,know the ‘real’ Jane I think. Who was game enough back then to present their real selves. Especially a woman around the king. I’ve always thought she wasn’t as meek and mild as she has been portrayed. Who could get engaged on the day - or just after - that he’d had his wife executed. Surely anyone would be thinking that “if I don’t produce a son, that could be me”. It was in a way, she still lost her life to Henry’s ambition for a dynasty. 💁♀️💁♀️🐈⬛🐈⬛🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
It looks like in the ray Winston film they were trying to compare him to the emporia Nero .As he was supposed to have kicked his pregnant wife to death.Just a guess as Henry I fill is often compared to him.
Jane actress was changed in The Tudors because the director didn´t want the audience to hate Jane, as she was part of Henry´s cheating on Anne and her miscarriage
Hmmm… I thought Kate Phillips was pretty good and made sense. She’s NOT meek and quiet. She’s carefully watching everyone. She’s Cromwell’s agent. Her personality comes through when she tells Mary to go back to her sister. Who set the bed curtains on fire? Who tossed the dog out the window? To replace Anne Boleyn, a formidably intelligent, charismatic Queen, Jane would have to take a different approach. She hangs back. Tries to make herself look subordinate. Her family bows in the corridor. Jane barely lifts her eyes. She knows what she’s doing. She’s stalking. The odd thing about Jane is she was unmarried in her late 20s. There’s barely a whisper about her like she didn’t want to draw attention to herself. Her family was VERY ambitious. Why not keep yourself tidy? You can see your predecessor unraveling. Why not help it along a little? What’s a little harmless flirtation with the king? Just keep Anne a little off balance and then move in for the kill.
Giovanna Seymour is a mezzo, not a soprano. For all it's worth, usually in an opera where a soprano is the main character/heroine, the mezzo is the antagonist.
Yeah, I'm not fluent in the technicals of opera. I meant "second soprano" as in "mezzo" but this was a part of the script which I changed at the last minute so I didn't get a chance to proofread.
Great video. Where can I view the opera???? I have three comments. First of all, Jane should have more screen time than she does in all movies. She was so important to Henry that he included her dead self in the family portrait when he was married to Catherine Parr and he chose to be buried beside her. She gave him his main goal in life - his son, Edward. Not that he mattered a hill of beans in history, other than getting Lady Jane Gray killed. Two, I never realized there were two James in the Tudors. I probably would have caught it on this rewatch that I'm doing now. I like the second one better. Third, there are some real dud Henry's out there. I think I love the 1933 best, the 1970 one second. The 30's one has the bravado and male machismo and he's fat. Like really fat. The 1970's one did a fantastic job getting fatter throughout the show. JRM didn't have red hair and refused to let them fatten him up properly.
As much as I loved watching the Tudors, and Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn, I think Wolf Hall nailed the more realistic version of things, and if one were to go back in time they'd find Claire Foy a far closer match to the real thing. Maybe even Jane as well. I truly believe Jane was merely a pawn of her male elders. I do wish a lot of these paid service shows would stop reusing different actors in other royal roles. Is Claire Queen Anne or Queen Elizabeth? Is Jessica Raine Catherine Parr or Lady Rochford? Is James Frain Thomas Cromwell or the Spanish ambassador...you get the idea.
I really liked your show when it first came out... Now, it too fast, frantic and cartoonish from mixing in modern day references like the Simpson's and swearing. I don't know if you're doing it to impress 16 year old but I liked when you were a professional movie critic.
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"Just when my belly is doing its business I find you wenching with Mistress Seymour!" I love than line. Natalie Dormer absolutely sold it.
There's a reason why Dormer is considered a Highlight of the first 2 seasons of The Tudors...
*baby, not belly
@@mc-rn8ro Read the script, it says belly.
I liked that they showed Jane being one of Catherine of Aragon's maids of honour in Henry VIII. They didn't show her before Anne's arrival in the other movies and tv shows I watched.
Also the tudors, we only see janes arrival for annes lady in waiting
Anne was always seen as a sex object while Jane was seen as the mother of the heir a Tudor matron
“I had a whole bag of skittles before watching this, I’ll never get those back” took me out!
Throwing in "Six" and "Anna Bolena" makes perfect sense, though they aren't "on screen" representations. They're still acted representations, so they work well in the context of your rating videos.
I DIED when you did the Revenge of the Sith scene 😂
2:46 "I did not hit Henry, it is Bullshit, I did not hit him. I DID NAHT... oh hi Mark Smeaton. Tell me, how is your sex life?"
- Anne Boleyn, probably
No offence to Jane, but I feel like Lesley Paterson was too young and pretty for the role (as well as having the wrong hair colour). She would have made a good Catherine Howard.
I fully agree with you
Agreed. 😄🎈🌻
Anne Stallybrass is literally the perfect Jane of Seymour to me. I thought the characterization was spot-on, where she's kind and gentle but also intelligent and struggling and not a total doormat. And she's also possibly THE only actress I've seen play the role who actually resembles the surviving portraits of Jane.
I would probably have rated Emilia's Fox's version higher than you did - it's true that she doesn't get a lot of scenes, but when she does speak her mind it's on issues we know the real Jane actually did care about, and I like that they let her stand up to Henry even though they then take it way too far by having him throw her down while she's pregnant (which I agree, the real Henry would never have done). But I may also be influenced because I like Emilia Fox as an actress (funnily enough with the Rebecca comparisons you made in this video, she actually played the 2nd Mrs. de Winter in the 1997 Rebecca miniseries, which I highly recommend!)
I really enjoyed this video! Have been loving this series. To be entirely honest, I cannot stand the portrayals of Jane Seymour as the sweet and innocent girl -- possibly because they always seem to depend on Anne Boleyn being awful and somehow 'deserving' what she got, but likely also because I just cannot fathom how anyone could think a 29-year-old woman who had been at court for at least a decade, and saw the court go through two of the biggest scandals of the century, could be unaware of what she was doing. I also just cannot credit that any woman could watch what he did to Katherine (whom she loved) and then to Anne, and fall in love with him anyway? I can understand interpretations where she's got no choice really and doesn't actually love him but is a good wife, but the idea that she could watch him cheat on, emotionally and later physically abuse Katherine (by deliberately forcing her to live in dangerously unsafe places when her health was deteriorating), emotionally abuse and blackmail and threaten his own child, and cheat on, have furious arguments with and threaten, publicly condemn, accuse of incest, treason, and adultery, and then straight up murder, and destroy all images of Anne aND THEN FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM. I just. I cannot wrap my head around it. Surely it cannot be possible. Surely.
I enjoyed your take on Jane's song in Six, as it being a reflection of her awareness of how much Henry doesn't love really love her, but I find that I have to skip it every time because it makes me so annoyed that they framed her as a being defined by her loving qualities after suggesting that she might be more than she seemed. It sounds at first like they're going to give us a more complex interpretation of her character but it really felt like a bog-standard 'insert-good-wife-character-here' interpretation instead... I'd be interested to hear more of your thoughts on Six's portrayals of the queens. :)
Very well said 👏🏼
Well... Congrats on NOT being a moron!yay! You clearly have some grasp of Jane& the era in general.
Refreshing
Wow! you actually were able to present a calm and convincing argument , and I applaud you for that, it’s hard to find people like that on the internet. And honestly I agree I hate how people portray Jane as a never moving lover of Henry, and while I do believe that Jane did have affection for Henry, she wasn’t completely naïve of Henry only wanting her for her children. And like Anne Boleyn she knew how to play the political game. However, I do applaud Six for blatantly stating in her song that Jane is aware that this is a mostly one-sided relationship.
It's very much how the historian Alison Weir believed how Jane Seymour must have been. A lot more calculating than she is portrayed.
Always disliked Jane Seymour, mealy - mouthed little wretch nobody ever called her pretty either. Got to be Queen for all the good it did her.
"Slightly more tolerable as a creepy CGI cat" 😂
I’m sure you’ve read Hilary Mantel’s series by now but I can’t agree that Cromwell sees Jane as meek and humble. Cromwell sees her as somewhat of a strategist. She cleverly appears to be everything Ann isn’t. She plays a long game. Not very educated but very intuitive. She knows how to keep quiet and when to be theatrical, like when she kissed Henry’s letter and made sure there were witnesses. Cromwell wants to know what mechanisms are turning in Jane’s head. She’s mysterious. That’s why he has a fondness for her. She’s a bit of an assassin but she’s stealthy. I mean, what kind of person would willingly marry the man who just cut off the head of her predecessor? You’ve got to have nerves of steel to do that. She covers it well.
I agree! I love the portrayals of Jane, Mary Boleyn, and Lady Rockford in Wolf Hall-the books and the TV series.
Omg! When you did the parody of Jane's death mashed up with starwars, and did your impression of ray Winston, I died laughing!!!! I laughed so hard. Thank you. I needed that.
Bit of trivia: Annabelle Wallis is a close friend of Jonathan Rhys Meyers and recommended her to The Tudor producers after Anita Briem left.
The memes are strong in this one
“Jane…. JANE!” Had me dying lmao.
I've been laughing at the Revenge of the Sith parody moment for five minutes now
We are, in fact, getting a new series of Wolf Hall now and Kate Phillips *is* back.
I'm so glad you included Anna Bolena. I love the opera and it provides a lot of scope for characterization. Since there are recorded films of the staged productions, I think you can justify it as "on screen."
When I say heart of stone broke me, I mean it BROKE me! I must confess that before I didn’t see much in Jane, but it showed me how truly heartbreaking her story was
My opinion on Jane Seymour, she was a willing pawn in her family's game to get power and control.
So something similar to her Depiction in Season 2 of The Tudors?
When you get to Anne of Cleves I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised with her portrayal in The Private Life of Henry VIII. I don't want to spoiler too much in case you haven't seen it all the way through but I like how she plays an active part in the dissolution of her marriage and it's actually framed as a positive for her.
"I like my head and I don't have a small neck." That one was brilliant.
I love it that you included the Donizetti opera! It's sad how opera is often ignored in general cutlural dicussions, so thank you!
Your star wars revenge of the sith had me laughing do hard. I got a lot of odd looks at the waiting room of my doctor's appointment.
Your channel is becoming one of my favourite Tudor channels - these videos on how popular culture influenced and responded to our view of history are brilliant!
New instalments of this always brighten my day
I wish I could like every one of your videos a thousand times.
If you loved Anna Bolena (So do I, it's my fave Jane portrayal tbh), watch the broadcast from the MET, also with Anna Netrebko. It's like a HOLBEIN PAINTING COME TO LIFE, it's AMAZING. As for audio recordings and the imo GREATEST ANNA BOLENA to this day, listen to the live broadcast from La Scala with Maria Callas (She brought that opera out of obscurity). Callas IS SPINE CHILLING and HEARTBREAKING as Anna and the rest of the cast is also FANTASTIC. Loved this video, Alice, you're getting SO GOOD at this, I can't wait for your channel to take off bc it WILL!!
Yes! I've been waiting for this video to come out
I just watched The Tudors episodes with Jane Seymour in them relatively recently and I did not notice there were two different actresses
I’ve watched it multiple times & the only way I found out that there were two actresses was because of google 😅
When season 3 started, I was confused because Jane seemed different, but the recap from previous seasons included the NEW actress. I thought I was going crazy. As I always watched with my elderly parents, I had no immediate access to the internet and had to hold my bewilderment in check until I got home to use 21st century methods of answering any of those pesky "where have I seen that actress before?" and "what song is that in the background?" questions.
Whew...not crazy (well, at least THIS was not proof)...they'd actually changed actresses
They looked so different 😂
I have gained more of an appreciation for Jane and Anne’s songs in Six from your ranking videos, but the implication that Jane might still be with Henry just doesn’t sit right with me. I’ll have to check out that opera you mentioned tho, seems interesting.
Well we’re finally getting a follow up to Wolf Hall. Despite several recasts that are happening Kate Phillips as Jane Seymour is thankfully not one of them.
another sean bits the dust😁😂🤣 i can't wait for other ranking videos of the other wives 😀
I just started watching your channel and you’re amazing !! I love the use of memes on this video, and you’re so 100% correct on all you’re opinions regarding the tudors and the adaptations surrounding them!
"YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, HENRY!!!" 😂😂😂😂 I love this channel 😍
OH. MY. GOD. Your Anakin impression made me laugh so hard I scared my cat!
Oh my god you are so brilliant now I shall binge watch every single thing you have ever made on youtube.
Thank you for all of your hard work making these videos. I look forward to your upcoming videos for Anne of Cleves.
I love these videos. They’re simultaneously entertaining and informative. I usually don’t comment on videos but I’m hoping this helps improve the algorithm and bring attention to your channel.
Oh my god I live for these videos
I have seen several videos about the different versions of the queens, but this is the only one that explains it, and I LOVED IT
So glad I found this channel. Kudos to my fellow Tudor fans!
After watching this video I actually looked up the opera and let me tell you, I loved it.
I think Jane was a lot more ambitious and intelligent than people usually give her credit for, and if anything, she may have justified to herself that taking Anne's place was the right thing to do to bring back Catholicism to the realm (this was a time where people were very devout, after all). I don't think she went in expecting that Anne would be executed, though - she *was* an anointed queen and everyone, including Jane, probably expected her to be sent to a nunnery or be under house arrest. Like, come on, Eleanor of Aquitaine and Isabella of France did things in terms of treason that were arguably worse than what Anne was accused of, and we don't know how Jane reacted to the news. Just because nothing is recorded about it didn't mean she stayed placid and didn't care. And if anything, she may have had trouble getting pregnant precisely because she was under a lot of stress (understandable). Speaking for myself, I can skip a few months when I get extremely anxious, and I'm not anywhere close to the levels of stress Jane might have experienced.
Yaayyy I have been waiting for this portrayal analysis 🙌
Also thank you Alice for including my meme caption at the end x
@@shannonmartindale1443 and how did the meme voices know I was Australian? And a bloke? 😁
@@lilymarinovic1644 looolllll 🤣🤣🤣
so just binged the Jane Seymor episodes....honey it was worth the wait...go ata apace that is best for you....you got this I love it...I'm hooked. The later wives I have less knowledge on as like you said most focus on Anne which usually goes from the divorce until Jane's death.
Anne Stallybrass's portrayal was wonderful, definitely my favourite (though there were many good actresses here). I'm glad you liked it so much too.
Absolutely addicted to your vids. I love your witty funny commentary
Regarding Jane in Wolf Hall there is a deleted scene where Mary is packing up after being banished from court over her 2nd marriage. Jane is alone with Cromwell as she's taking down a canopy and Mary walks back in right as he helps Jane down and it's depicted as an awkward moment when Mary walks in on them
It's a pity that the costumes in wolf hall, were not properly researched.
Anne Stallybrass for me, although, Jane Asher played the part well.
Tell me how you REALLY feel about the Ray Winstone version of Henry VIII movie, lol
Sean bites the dust
😂😂😂😂
I was expecting the east Enders drum roll after the revenge of the sith scene.
You made me laugh the whole way through this video. I missed the majority of your opinions for real. 🤣😂
I completely forgot Ray Winston played Henry VIII, it takes right out of it when you hear speaking in a thick working class cockney accent
Jodie turner smith 4 words The Emperors New Clothes. Am I the only one who sees this??such a shame Hillary Mantel died so we cant get a Jane Seymour sequel.Well done doing the opera version I never saw it before!!
Girl you craaaaazy! 😂
Please do Catherine Howard too! My favorite is Lynne Frederick and my 2nd favorite is Tamzin Merchant in the Tudors.
Same here. Lynne Frederick really captured how very young poor Catherine was, and Tamzin Merchant did a good job of that as well. A kind-hearted soul, but naive because she's simply not old enough to have learned wisdom yet.
Totally agree on Rebecca. Fantastic comparison. Have loved the book and movie since my teens. X I am reading Jane the Quene by Janet Wertman. I think you would like it, if you have not read it. It is based on the little we know of Jane, but fleshed out with things that would have happened during the Tudors time period. That said, I am still reading it. Thanks for your fun and informative videos.
I like the tudors and I'm irish so it's funny they filmed it in ireland
I wanted to see a video about lady Margaret pole just because of her execution
If I remember rightly there were a lot of complaints to the BBC when The Tudors was first broadcast about the amount of sex scenes in the show so it was toned down alot after the first season
Until they got to Katherine Howard of course ...
@@lilymarinovic1644 Oh I know! The amount of nude scenes with Katherine Howard was so unnecessary
Love your videos!
I may be wrong, but I always thought of Jane as a Catholic sympathizer. I don't know from what type of family she came from, but it was considered a crime to remain loyal to the "bishop of Rome", so it may have been obscured by history, because it was dangerous. But Chapuys referred to Anne Boleyn as "the concubine." And never acknowledged that Catherine was not the Queen. Given this interpretation, Jane would not have felt she was doing anything wrong, because by that time, Catherine had died, and so the King was free, because Catholics would not have recognized Anne as Queen, because she married Henry while Catherine still lived. Those with influence over her may have convinced her that God would reward her and her family if England could be returned to the Catholic fold, if she gave Henry the longed for son. And she may have been convinced, in the same way Henry was convinced that "it was no true marriage" because he had no son after 20 years of marriage. Superstitions of the time seemed to be that the Pope's dispensation held, Catherine was his true wife, but had NOT been a "maiden" upon her marriage to Henry and so the marriage, while legal, was not "fruitful" according to Leviticus etc. But if the King could make a "true marriage" to a true "maiden" then God would bless the marriage and all would be well, and England could be reunited with Rome and the interdict lifted. I'm no historian, but that is how I always viewed her reasoning for marrying him, when it seemed a dangerous thing to do.
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I waited for this one for sooo long
I loved this video
I think you’re funny. A lot of your critiques are EXTREMELY funny. I’m old but you have a genuine gift for putting those EXACT thoughts of MINE to words. That Twitter parody at the end of this video, FUNNY!!! I’d share your videos but I’m the “weird book learn-ed geek”of the Coven. Sometimes I think My friends only remain bcuz ONE DAY, they might catch a glimpse of understanding ANYTHING that comes out my mouth. Keep on posting. I look forward to your take on Catherine Howard. I understand your obsession with Anne Boleyn (why do I always spell that wrong?) & Catherine of Aragon bcuz they WERE the 2 longest relationships of Henry VIII. They knew him when he WAS young & full of hope. Later he became bitter & resentful. But the other 4 are interesting bcuz they’re unknown other than the “Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived”. Keep up the videos, they’re entertaining & your take is refreshing. Btw thank you for mentioning who you draw your ideas from & I’m so proud that I already subscribe to all of them!!!
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A shame Emilia Fox had such bad material to work with. When I first heard that she once played Jane Seymour I thought it made perfect sense as Emilia has that demure kinda pretty kinda plain quality about her.
Annabelle Wallis was too modern and pretty to play Jane in The Tudors. Anita Briem was a better option.
Jane should feature more in onscreen depictions as she not only served Anne but Catherine too.
Jane is an enigma really, we don't know if she was boring or a schemer, maybe somewhere in between.
Anne Stallybrass in The Six Wives of Henry VIII.
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Another great video, thank you.
My list of favorite portrayals of Jane Seymour (who actually is my least favorite Queen)
1. Annabelle Wallis on the Tudors
2. Kate Philipps in Wolf Hall
3. Anita Briem in the Tudors
Henry VIII and his six wives should rank above the Tudors, because the Tudors lacked proper research, Keith Michell was an exceptional Henry VIII. The part was properly portrayed,and all the clothing was properly researched, including the women's head dresses. Catherine of Aragon played by Frances Chuka, and Annette Crosbie, was, correctly, portrayed as having red/gold hair, as was princess Mary. Henry didn't stick around when Jane died, he got out fast, he was terrified of death, and Jane was too ill after Edwards birth to get up and get dressed, she died 12 days after her son was born.
Very interesting, I look forward to the next. I feel you deserve far more recognition than you have at the moment. You will succeed because your style and presentation is superb. (Also, you have a very pretty cat 🐈⬛. I also have a black and white cat 🐈⬛ ). It’s hard to get to,know the ‘real’ Jane I think. Who was game enough back then to present their real selves. Especially a woman around the king. I’ve always thought she wasn’t as meek and mild as she has been portrayed. Who could get engaged on the day - or just after - that he’d had his wife executed. Surely anyone would be thinking that “if I don’t produce a son, that could be me”. It was in a way, she still lost her life to Henry’s ambition for a dynasty. 💁♀️💁♀️🐈⬛🐈⬛🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Well done. I love your wit.
It looks like in the ray Winston film they were trying to compare him to the emporia Nero .As he was supposed to have kicked his pregnant wife to death.Just a guess as Henry I fill is often compared to him.
Brilliant video xx
Me being black and being against the very fact that they even blatantly ignored history like that with Anne Boleyn……
Hi alice am gonna make story about Henry viii and all his wives so video helped get more information
Jane actress was changed in The Tudors because the director didn´t want the audience to hate Jane, as she was part of Henry´s cheating on Anne and her miscarriage
The first actress left to appear on a film
I really want to watch the opera now 🙂
12:24 got me
Lol where is that audio from?
Jane was a very sly little customer!
Anabelle Wallis is such a wooden actress >
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Hmmm… I thought Kate Phillips was pretty good and made sense. She’s NOT meek and quiet. She’s carefully watching everyone. She’s Cromwell’s agent. Her personality comes through when she tells Mary to go back to her sister. Who set the bed curtains on fire? Who tossed the dog out the window? To replace Anne Boleyn, a formidably intelligent, charismatic Queen, Jane would have to take a different approach. She hangs back. Tries to make herself look subordinate. Her family bows in the corridor. Jane barely lifts her eyes. She knows what she’s doing. She’s stalking. The odd thing about Jane is she was unmarried in her late 20s. There’s barely a whisper about her like she didn’t want to draw attention to herself. Her family was VERY ambitious. Why not keep yourself tidy? You can see your predecessor unraveling. Why not help it along a little? What’s a little harmless flirtation with the king? Just keep Anne a little off balance and then move in for the kill.
Giovanna Seymour is a mezzo, not a soprano. For all it's worth, usually in an opera where a soprano is the main character/heroine, the mezzo is the antagonist.
Yeah, I'm not fluent in the technicals of opera. I meant "second soprano" as in "mezzo" but this was a part of the script which I changed at the last minute so I didn't get a chance to proofread.
I can see how interesting the Jane of "Anna Bolena" is, but she's NOT historically accurate!
There is not a whole lot known about Jane Seymour. So who knows?
Anne Stallybrass the best.
Great video. Where can I view the opera???? I have three comments. First of all, Jane should have more screen time than she does in all movies. She was so important to Henry that he included her dead self in the family portrait when he was married to Catherine Parr and he chose to be buried beside her. She gave him his main goal in life - his son, Edward. Not that he mattered a hill of beans in history, other than getting Lady Jane Gray killed.
Two, I never realized there were two James in the Tudors. I probably would have caught it on this rewatch that I'm doing now. I like the second one better.
Third, there are some real dud Henry's out there. I think I love the 1933 best, the 1970 one second. The 30's one has the bravado and male machismo and he's fat. Like really fat. The 1970's one did a fantastic job getting fatter throughout the show. JRM didn't have red hair and refused to let them fatten him up properly.
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Best are Jane Asher and Anne Stallybrass.
Why are you wasting time doing anything but acting… your impersonation was brilliant.. I’m enjoying your channel sooo much
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As much as I loved watching the Tudors, and Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn, I think Wolf Hall nailed the more realistic version of things, and if one were to go back in time they'd find Claire Foy a far closer match to the real thing. Maybe even Jane as well. I truly believe Jane was merely a pawn of her male elders. I do wish a lot of these paid service shows would stop reusing different actors in other royal roles. Is Claire Queen Anne or Queen Elizabeth? Is Jessica Raine Catherine Parr or Lady Rochford? Is James Frain Thomas Cromwell or the Spanish ambassador...you get the idea.
The real Jane was Not so pretty as Anbabelle ir Emilia. I think she took Henry just for her family .. She payed a high price.
I really liked your show when it first came out... Now, it too fast, frantic and cartoonish from mixing in modern day references like the Simpson's and swearing. I don't know if you're doing it to impress 16 year old but I liked when you were a professional movie critic.