Why I'm Switching From Gamecube Controllers

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  • @l3ff3n
    @l3ff3n  4 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    I'm hosting tournaments every week for twitch subs btw, and tomorrow's the second edition! Has both pro and amateur bracket for beginners : smash.gg/lffnw
    It'll all be streamed on my channel twitch.tv/leffen

    • @Velereonics
      @Velereonics 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good thing I'm working from home tomorrow to watch :)

    • @sean-jz8jk
      @sean-jz8jk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      are you an asian swedish person

    • @TheNyion912
      @TheNyion912 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So I get to clap you and everyone else

    • @joey5745
      @joey5745 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Leffen I finally subscribed! You should make an outro for your videos,

    • @jahsukejonfry8552
      @jahsukejonfry8552 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is the box hungry leffen?

  • @100apples5
    @100apples5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1795

    Loses a couple slippi matches
    "Why I am dropping the boxx."

    • @happycamperds9917
      @happycamperds9917 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Marth is 65-35 on BOXX

    • @Diispaceyone
      @Diispaceyone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

    • @marsieg8394
      @marsieg8394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      LMFAO let's bet on this

    • @ThisisCitrus
      @ThisisCitrus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whats the hate on the boxx for? Wasn't it smashbox who started the drama and hax just left to make a ergonomic controller that smashbox stole the design of?

  • @jaspercochran1535
    @jaspercochran1535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +690

    Imagine your 8 year old cousin says he’s the best smash player and then you whip this out when he challenges you

    • @aprfinancing481
      @aprfinancing481 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      and then he whips out his own

    • @marisanya
      @marisanya 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      2040 Melee be like

    • @agneskennicott7851
      @agneskennicott7851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Then he smirks, adjusts his glasses, utters "Pathetic" and takes out his own, newer version.

    • @untzuntz1216
      @untzuntz1216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@agneskennicott7851 the one with the wii nunchuck

    • @leaffinite2001
      @leaffinite2001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Pulling out the box + gc hybrid momstrosity

  • @lapulga3180
    @lapulga3180 4 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    I thought he'd switch for the ultimate controller : Donkey Kong Bongo's

    • @squeebosh8525
      @squeebosh8525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'll do you one better, The Super Scope

    • @grenin6497
      @grenin6497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Christian Lee ill do you one better stering wheel

    • @SUPERLINKX2
      @SUPERLINKX2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We all know the ultimate controller is the kinect

    • @jerryrice1690
      @jerryrice1690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You mean the controller with the most possibilities the nes controller

  • @12apidxHDxGamerx
    @12apidxHDxGamerx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +825

    Does this mean we’ll get to see you throw a massive box instead of a little controller?! 😃

    • @vrotobi
      @vrotobi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      "Sanford Kelly has entered the chat"

    • @Edoeren
      @Edoeren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Underrated

    • @RvSZamos
      @RvSZamos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@Parpeing and it looks like Genesis 9 is over, congratulations to aMSa, your-... wait, is that Leffen with a steel frame1?

    • @brafy2981
      @brafy2981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As long as it hits hungrybox

    • @SIMIFU
      @SIMIFU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@brafy2981 damn man...so violent

  • @Xzero137
    @Xzero137 4 ปีที่แล้ว +362

    ah yes, the gamecube controller. The best unit of measurement.

    • @Xzero137
      @Xzero137 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      also I'm old, so please do the hand care vid

    • @rohan5564
      @rohan5564 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      imperial system: our battle will be legendary

    • @drewbabe
      @drewbabe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      melee's version of the cubit

    • @PrinceSamTV
      @PrinceSamTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I too wish to acquire the gods hands!

  • @l3ff3n
    @l3ff3n  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1128

    comment for the algorithm

  • @dls1960
    @dls1960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +955

    Me who doesn’t play melee: Interesting.

    • @TuxRacing69
      @TuxRacing69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Why did you title your acc melee fox then

    • @frakeyjones1336
      @frakeyjones1336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Why is ur pfp fox then?

    • @MuchoManRP
      @MuchoManRP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      but why did you use a picture of fox mccloud from super smash brothers melee for your account tho

    • @tylers7381
      @tylers7381 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      For what course of action did you choose to use Fox McCloud of the storied franchise Starfox to represent your profile?

    • @dls1960
      @dls1960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@tylers7381 I just like terminal montage

  • @jonathanc3001
    @jonathanc3001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +402

    “One of the biggest problems with the GameCube controller is they are inconsistent and you need to mod them” *wants to mod the boxx controller by making a Frankenstein controller with a GameCube half*

    • @reddabos
      @reddabos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To be fair, Hitbox has a fight stick like that.

    • @wittyjester
      @wittyjester 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Please, PLEASE let that be its official name. The FRANKENSTEIN.

    • @gtyb9283
      @gtyb9283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Parpeing YES we shall call it the leffenstien

    • @AwareWolf14
      @AwareWolf14 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s the Leffroller

    • @LyokoSyon
      @LyokoSyon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      call it the framenstien

  • @papbio1535
    @papbio1535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Frankenstein ass controller is 200% being confiscated at the airport

  • @SocknessMonster
    @SocknessMonster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +565

    apolgy for bad english
    where were u wen laughing swith controlr
    i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
    " laffin switch controller"
    "no"

    • @Diana-Derivative
      @Diana-Derivative 4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      This comment is a trainwreck and I love it

    • @shine-ub6eb
      @shine-ub6eb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      LMAO this is so funny

    • @jaidsalgado
      @jaidsalgado 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      LOL this makes little sense but that's what makes it funny af 😂

    • @SocknessMonster
      @SocknessMonster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@jaidsalgado thesm laughing

    • @godspeed809
      @godspeed809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dude you didn't spell leffen right.

  • @futurefox128
    @futurefox128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    We need a Lefftroller: Press 1 to waveshine-turnaround-upSmash your foes. Press 2 to post it on twitter. Press smaller than 3 to like.
    Hold 4 I don't know what for. Trigger 5 for my b. Press 6 for this miss-input. Release 7 on frame 7. Press 8 when it's too late.

  • @nonsugarnoki
    @nonsugarnoki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    He gonna throw the b0xx :(

  • @SIMIFU
    @SIMIFU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Alternate title:
    Leffen embraces a certain box that could also be hungry.

    • @Diembee
      @Diembee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Honestly I think it’s a shame Hbox hasn’t taken the opportunity to eat a meal while playing using a box controller.

    • @chrispo7610
      @chrispo7610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Base Bass Forte lol

    • @largenaq2935
      @largenaq2935 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Base Bass Forte huh

    • @fma0420
      @fma0420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Base Bass Forte But casuals don't need any of the benefits that Leffen gave as reasons why he is switching. They can just use GC controllers.

    • @AkramSaheb
      @AkramSaheb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its for tendinitis issues

  • @Iloveanimals46446
    @Iloveanimals46446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    No, the Wii fit board is the best controller for melee obviously!

    • @5hyguy42
      @5hyguy42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes

    • @zaarongaming8174
      @zaarongaming8174 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shoyupacket5572 *Bananas controller has entered the chat*

    • @juddis956
      @juddis956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Can’t wait for someone to win a major with the power glove

  • @MaxCoplan
    @MaxCoplan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    My favorite part is when Leffen is going over his biases and potential conflicts of interest. That's always in the back of my mind when watching a review, so seeing him get it out in the open from the start made the whole rest of the review much more convincing.

    • @BURRDAWG_
      @BURRDAWG_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If only he knew what he was talking about

  • @monosean1443
    @monosean1443 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    i think leffen is trying to say that he wants to play on a wii u gamepad

  • @beauharding55
    @beauharding55 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Literally my first comment in ten years watching youtube (in my memory) is asking for a leffen hand care video. LEFF PLEASE SHOW ME HOW TO NOT HAVE HAND PAIN ALL DAY LIKE I ALREADY DO

    • @Section8dc
      @Section8dc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbh there really isn't much you can do. Take long breaks in between playing, try to address what specifically causes the pain when you play, stretch you hands and warm them up first before playing, use ice and heat if you have pain after you are done, and lastly maybe think about switching what controller you play on. A smashbox might give you less pain for instance. Hand pain is mostly genetic unfortunately, two guys can both play on the same controller the same way and one have it and one not.

    • @wh3elson
      @wh3elson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Stop using the controller

  • @sandwich5985
    @sandwich5985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Next episode: “Why Im switching from boxx controllers.”
    He tries out an arcade stick.
    Next episode after that: “Why Im switching from arcade sticks.”
    He then uses a PS4 controller.
    Then lastly: “Why Im switching from PS4 controllers”
    He ends up using a GameCube controller.

    • @gi5897
      @gi5897 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Then he switches to DK bongos

    • @andymondragon7093
      @andymondragon7093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Then he switches to guitar hero controller

    • @elitecombine5373
      @elitecombine5373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Then switch to a Banana

    • @hypertech116
      @hypertech116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then Leffen switches to a mind control headset

    • @ilydyce
      @ilydyce 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      whats next? VR???

  • @grovestreet1520
    @grovestreet1520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good for you man. I really hope more of the community embraces these things for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I'll be rooting for you to have continued success throughout the transition. Seems like a real challenge but if anyone can do it, you can

  • @takoinche
    @takoinche 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you know the game has really evolved when leffen says "the gamecube controller is not made for melee".

  • @michaeliedon6557
    @michaeliedon6557 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    i would love a vid on how to take care of your hands. as someone who loves smash but has joint pain

  • @finge3786
    @finge3786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I just noticed that Leffen has a Christmas Tree in the backround in the middle of January

    • @timothyhall4794
      @timothyhall4794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's Sweden. They're like 3 weeks behind.

    • @LosEspookys
      @LosEspookys 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Psh. Who takes down their Christmas tree so soon? Do you hate joy or something

    • @NeZCheese
      @NeZCheese 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Sweden, holiday season lasts til January 13th with the traditional "Kasta ut granen" which means "to throw out the tree".

  • @ScoobyShooby
    @ScoobyShooby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The nunchuck is completely fine for the left stick. You can fit in all the sticks you can put in a GCC and the short digital only press of L is what people try to emulate with plugs. Ive used all these boards and the B0xx is the most comfortable. It's not immediately noticeable, but after really spending time with these box style controllers, it does comeout to the most action with least awkward movements.

  • @WatermelonFarmer36
    @WatermelonFarmer36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Im all about the hand health video!

  • @EmptyHand49
    @EmptyHand49 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Yo is that Overcooked music? You know Leffen might not be so bad after all.

    • @yarakharam5343
      @yarakharam5343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      he's a bit like vegeta, from villain to favourite.

    • @ana4rae
      @ana4rae 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *depressive song begins to play*

  • @jarroddobben
    @jarroddobben 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    No way Hax is giving Leff a free Boxx lmao

    • @Cashmoneez
      @Cashmoneez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      do they have recent beef i've been pretty ootl

    • @wondliii9046
      @wondliii9046 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Cashmoneez i wouldn't call it recent lol

    • @musicbox7601
      @musicbox7601 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lol frame1 really gave him a boxx for comparison

  • @Drippy9000
    @Drippy9000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video, really looking forward to seeing you competing back!

  • @zososteven64
    @zososteven64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Lol it starts with my comment on the screen "leffen is a very cute gamer"

  • @timfinn6042
    @timfinn6042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't wait for tournies to come back to see you get the number 1 spot!

  • @robo-rex0239
    @robo-rex0239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Is he doing this just to beat hax at his own game

  • @lanexyz
    @lanexyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Goomwave: allow me to introduce myself

  • @ivoalejandro1997
    @ivoalejandro1997 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I thought it was to smoothen the transistion from smasher to asmr streamer

  • @cullenhutchison6528
    @cullenhutchison6528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly the simplest way to improve the gamecube-style controller for melee would be to add a ZL set to jump. It makes everything so much easier and even allowed a Melee noob like me to multishine consistently within 1 minute when I could never even pull it off before.

  • @cooperchance7720
    @cooperchance7720 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Thought this was gonna be clickbait. Was pleasantly surprised.

    • @Blighted_Ashes
      @Blighted_Ashes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stand up!

    • @necro9541
      @necro9541 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blighted_Ashes what

    • @Blighted_Ashes
      @Blighted_Ashes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@necro9541 noone knows bout vanguard

  • @blazemkds
    @blazemkds 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good luck on learning it. I just cannot imagine losing the 360 degree motions you get from a normal stick, but combining both seems like a great idea.

  • @Omareko
    @Omareko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I wanna know how I can take care of my hands

    • @TheInfectous
      @TheInfectous 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      there are like tons of videos on hand stretches and hand health, you can adopt leffens strats later as well but that's no reason to wait.

  • @curtismaize
    @curtismaize 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know theres gonna be an up & coming kid that uses a calculator one day and eventually goes on to be one of the greatest.

  • @velerosarchive1098
    @velerosarchive1098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You seem like the target audience for the Smash Stick.

    • @cameronmason4452
      @cameronmason4452 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The stick on the smash stick is horrible, can never replace the gamecube controller. That's why boxxes are better.

    • @velerosarchive1098
      @velerosarchive1098 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cameronmason4452 Do you own the latest iteration of the Smash Stick?

  • @dieklachst1675
    @dieklachst1675 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    can’t wait for him to switch back when the panda global controller comes out

  • @lambmaster27
    @lambmaster27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Make the “take care of your hands” video!

  • @moonshoes8931
    @moonshoes8931 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    honestly, I kind of want that gc analog + fightstick face buttons thing

  • @Windkiller
    @Windkiller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *watching an entire video about controller switching*
    me: that hoodie looks super good what is that

    • @osmiridium
      @osmiridium 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That hoodie does look super fucking cozy actually yeah.

    • @Windkiller
      @Windkiller 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@osmiridium fashion king leffen

  • @stradeup207
    @stradeup207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    aged like milk

  • @zachariahanderson4203
    @zachariahanderson4203 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    An arcade stick style for melee I think would be the best. You can get traditional fighting game players into it and stop the poor hand health pandemic

  • @cyberworld9000
    @cyberworld9000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tbh I’ve been considering the same for the health of my hands alone. Between editing & gaming I know I’m not doing my long term hand health any favors

  • @z_khas5819
    @z_khas5819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hey william i have 2 questions:
    1 how do you do things that requieres especific angles like a perfect wavedash, or fire fox angles?
    2: how does the control recognize when you want to walk or run?

    • @osmiridium
      @osmiridium 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seconded!

    • @finmin2k
      @finmin2k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      please william cheese answer us

    • @jasonstroude1414
      @jasonstroude1414 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Modifier buttons, search it up

    • @wh3elson
      @wh3elson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I tried one of these boxes before but quickly didn’t like it for that reason. So the boxes have these “modifier buttons” which you can hold that then changes what the certain buttons do. For example, let’s say one of the buttons is smash attack, by holding the modifier button that same button is now a tilt attack. Similar for running/dashing and all that. That’s one of the biggest reason why I think the box isn’t super amazing is that now you have to almost think of 2 inputs to do a single output, which is not impossible but takes a shit ton of time to get used to, so I think leffens idea of slowly going to the box will be a bad one. To get good at the box you have to go 100% at it or you’ll just get frustrated and go back to what you’re used.

  • @coolpikachufan01
    @coolpikachufan01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to the rectangle club! Stickless controllers are badass in Melee and FGC games, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself!

  • @nintendope8837
    @nintendope8837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ngl that meme interpretation was a mood

  • @nkirmath8621
    @nkirmath8621 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need a hands care video, I've been getting into the FGC lately and I find that my hands can only get so much muscle memory at a time, I imagine it's because I don't take very good care of my hands so I'd love to see a video to teach me how to do this. Also congrats on winning evo, I was rooting for you the whole time.

  • @Amplifymagic
    @Amplifymagic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thanks to Zackray I’ve been a Pro Controller user since the beginning of Ultimate.
    It was hard to create new muscle memory from melee but it was worth it

    • @renatus_7773
      @renatus_7773 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think he uses a gc controller now too lol

    • @Pal0maSama
      @Pal0maSama 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My guy, Zackray switched to Gamecube controller

    • @TheManaLord
      @TheManaLord 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the biggest L's I've seen lmao

    • @Amplifymagic
      @Amplifymagic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheManaLord lul you wannabes probably can’t even win a local tournament, I don’t care about your opinions

    • @wh3elson
      @wh3elson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m convinced that people use the GC controller bc of the community pressure and bc “that’s what everyone else/pros use”. I 100% would bet that if the top 5 finalists of all the tournaments started using the pro controller, everyone would start following suit and start saying the pro controller was better all along

  • @finmin2k
    @finmin2k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a good fix to this, for people who can't afford box controllers such as myself would be to have a melee mod as part of slippi that allows you to change your controls. In ultimate, since you can change your controls, I always jumped with L since I didn't want my right thumb to have the load of jumping, and I wasn't doing anything else with the L button. I thinking something like that would be great for this type of thing

  • @shivangpatel4640
    @shivangpatel4640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    IM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE, MAKE A "Taking Care of Your Hands" VIDEO

  • @FFXfever
    @FFXfever 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've switched off of claw grip for over 5 years now. I usually use shoulder buttons to do everything. Part of the reason I switched to ROA, is because they provide the ability to do that.

  • @Celia_Dawn
    @Celia_Dawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Biased against the boxx for reason I will not get into here" damn, the hax$ drama is still going strong it seems

    • @michael13849
      @michael13849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you fill me in. I stopped using twitter

    • @awryri
      @awryri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@michael13849 hax is a part of the production of b0xx, leffen and hax have been in drama for years. He was the original writer of evidence.zip. A bunch of shit between them

    • @ColossalM
      @ColossalM 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@awryri I'm pretty sure Armada wrote up evidence.zip

    • @NessKwik0
      @NessKwik0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ColossalM armada just witnessed a large part of the stuff and told hax about it. Hax had way more info outside of that as well which he put into evidence.zip

  • @hechno9080
    @hechno9080 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thought of Leffen someday losing in a tourney and spiking this kind of controller is honestly hilarious

  • @thewaffleman1
    @thewaffleman1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Inb4 the PG controller changes your mind again :)

  • @bramchowder
    @bramchowder 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    a full control scheme video would be sick in the future!

  • @-8h-
    @-8h- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's a sign:
    We're getting old.

  • @EEEEEE1337
    @EEEEEE1337 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting topic! would love to see much more of it!

  • @fatalbert135
    @fatalbert135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Dude's only biased against the Boxx because he has beef with Hax$

    • @lightbrand_
      @lightbrand_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, yes

    • @danieldelagarzaarreguin4833
      @danieldelagarzaarreguin4833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That but also think part of it has to do with Boxx making setting up macros or coding extra behavior more accessible. He thinks all inputs should still done manually one at a time and doesn't think that sort of modding with macros should be tournament legal.
      Don't take my word for it, but remember reading something along those lines.

    • @SnyderChips07
      @SnyderChips07 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not really. Frame 1 light has similar specs to the b0xx at half the price. No reason to buy a b0xx over f1s in 2021

  • @Infading
    @Infading 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love a follow up to this vid ngl.
    I'd like to hear your exact reasoning on why you went back to a phob!

  • @TRENTSINCLAIRE
    @TRENTSINCLAIRE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    give him like a month and his fox is gonna be cracked the fuck out even more than on gcc

    • @Alex-vm6ef
      @Alex-vm6ef 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i realize this is a joke but in 8-12 months it will be real

    • @TRENTSINCLAIRE
      @TRENTSINCLAIRE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Alex-vm6ef nah no joke. i think people overestimate how long it takes to get used to these style controllers from the gamecube controller. granted i’m no leffen but it took me about a month to get up to snuff when i first started using a box style controller.

    • @NessKwik0
      @NessKwik0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TRENTSINCLAIRE yeah BOXX is kinda fucked up. Used it for like 2 weeks of practice for a money match against a guy who told me boxx was harder then GCC and its the best i have ever played and probably ever will play with fox.

  • @isaiahdaniels5643
    @isaiahdaniels5643 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hit the like button, I subscribed. PLEASE make that hand care vid bro. Coming from you, techniques that you use to mitigate hand cramping mean a lot, and I want the secrets bro.

  • @bugcatcherharold5315
    @bugcatcherharold5315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would like to see how you're mapping the buttons (if that's something you can do).

    • @osmiridium
      @osmiridium 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also curious about this.

  • @octo_contra
    @octo_contra 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally figured leff would be an early adopter of box type controllers. Personally I'm hype for the smash stick but it'll be cool to see them all compared and contrasted.

  • @koelee
    @koelee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wait, why am I subscribed to this Leffen guy? What happened to William?

  • @mello_2586
    @mello_2586 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! We need accessible reviews to compliment the really in depth ones!

  • @kevincassidy2175
    @kevincassidy2175 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone Else: *discusses controllers*
    Me: IS THAT A PR NUTURE HOODIE??

  • @SocknessMonster
    @SocknessMonster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Me typing why I should be promoted to server owner: 11:35

  • @jakob.conrad
    @jakob.conrad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The stream today was great, I’m glad I caught it!

  • @TheLuxma
    @TheLuxma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Does somebody know what he has against the b0xx/hax$?

    • @philippeaspirot8138
      @philippeaspirot8138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They've hated each others guts for the longuest time, hax and leffen are always arguing on twitter etc. and I also believe (?) Hax was the guy who wrote down evidence.zip for the EU scene or something

  • @Newratouu
    @Newratouu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:23 s/o le prof chen s/o les gars de la secte ekipafond mon gars buuk mdrr

  • @jamonesbaratoskim8039
    @jamonesbaratoskim8039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i got a gamecube controller for last christmas and the adapter, so watching this make´s me feel kinda sad

    • @BluuSkyz
      @BluuSkyz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have about 1800 hours of smash on my gamecube controller.. still going.

    • @juliuscaesar9756
      @juliuscaesar9756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dont feel sad the vast majority of melee players use GCC, even pros

  • @axis8396
    @axis8396 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plinking is also a thing in other games, most notably SF4 where it stands for "priority linking" where if you press mp and the next frame you're still holding mp and you press lp then how the game handles it is you essentially get 2 frames of the same input so that's part of why people never drop Evil Ryu 1-frames and whatnot cause they're essentially 2-frame links. Piano is a bit different where typically it's coupled with negative edge so it gives you essentially a billion different buttons to properly cancel moves that have strict timings like wake up DP or like 6 mp into mp dp so you just press and release rather than 2 presses. Minor thing but for the nerds out there XD

  • @blason56
    @blason56 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Yeah sure, how about when you switched to Roy as your main for Ultimate, or when Young Link was your new main...

    • @danieldelagarzaarreguin4833
      @danieldelagarzaarreguin4833 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's going to swap to mele puff. The reason he needs a box is all the extra inputs puff uses.

    • @IanZWhite00
      @IanZWhite00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmao what the fuck is this comment

  • @WoahItsGurenge
    @WoahItsGurenge 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the thumbnail is amazing XD
    btw love the video Leffen!!

  • @patrickmcgrainor9407
    @patrickmcgrainor9407 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Anyone have a link to the hoodie hes wearing in the vid?

    • @midchicken6599
      @midchicken6599 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Porter robinson mirror hoodie, that's what he called it in a previous videos description

  • @Xrelent
    @Xrelent 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm interested in knowing if the developer made the same legality considerations with frame1 as with the b0xx.
    Melee has a ton of weird edge cases where box-controllers actually can give an advantage: pivot tilts, 1.0 dash, straight down shield drop, ambiguous DI, specific icie desyncs, and a few more. Whether box-controllers should or should not be allowed these advantages is up for debate/politics, but the b0xx is specifically programmed to avoid giving users *any* of these advantages whatsoever.
    Supposedly the frame1 developer helped develop the b0xx, so it's likely, but until they release the manual it's uncertain.

    • @NessKwik0
      @NessKwik0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      My biggest peoblem is whats stopping people at this point from making their own without these limitations

  • @sakcto9893
    @sakcto9893 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those two or three people in chat are so toxic tho

  • @LupusAdNoctem
    @LupusAdNoctem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hopefully this is the first step towards Leff switching over to HitBox in time for GG Strive🤞🏽

  • @beansfebreeze
    @beansfebreeze 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For the algorithm: Leffen has a terrible take on KH3

    • @jordannelson1910
      @jordannelson1910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fair tho, kh3 had a lot of potential, and it kinda feels like they didn't take advantage of it. And this is coming from a diehard kh fan

    • @jordannelson1910
      @jordannelson1910 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oof

    • @vietnamsemonky4082
      @vietnamsemonky4082 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ITS BEEN LIKE 20 YEARS, WHERE IS THE SHITTY STORY GOING BROOOOO
      KH SUCKS

  • @filippoye609
    @filippoye609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did not expect an Overcooked soundtrack in a Leffen video lmao

  • @dillpicklestudios4319
    @dillpicklestudios4319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a tragedy can we get an F in the chat

  • @CosmosProvider
    @CosmosProvider 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fine choice of background music my good sir

  • @brae9119
    @brae9119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    YOU’VE ABANDONED THE OLD WAYS!!! The harvest will be poor this year and the well will run dry!

  • @jeffersonb2379
    @jeffersonb2379 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cranes review was super solid and informative 👍

  • @firelifeblizzard8782
    @firelifeblizzard8782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I hope Leffen's okay, he seems so weirdly angry in this video

  • @ragingningen6318
    @ragingningen6318 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the change makes sense he also benefits by playing with that in other fighting games too

  • @discreet6951
    @discreet6951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Isn’t leffen the one who complained about lazy TO’s letting them use the box? I love you bruh but can you stop the being complete epitome of hypocrisy 😂

    • @linvega671
      @linvega671 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      TIL changing your opinion means you're a hypocrite

    • @discreet6951
      @discreet6951 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ian Eisaman changing your opinion is an ALRIGHT thing to do. Maybe you haven’t been around the smash scene long enough to see all “these moments”, and I’m not belittling you or trying to downplay your knowledge/experience (feel like I needed to clarify that since it’s the internet and people read comments the wrong way sometimes lol), but to go off on a spree of critiquing TO’s and tourney runners calling them “retarded”/overall insulting their intelligence and gamesmanship for allowing style boxes..... and then finding out how much you enjoy/perform better when using, change your “opinion” on the subject without addressing old comments made to others about the subject. It’s just genuine leffen and I love him and his personality to death but this is CAP😂😂😂

  • @sonicrichardsrb
    @sonicrichardsrb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leffen:
    Hax:
    Leffen: I am bias against the boxx

  • @LS-td4yf
    @LS-td4yf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Claim your here after stream ticket

  • @Leo98pm
    @Leo98pm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now to wait for Leffen yeeting the boxx clips

  • @heyitsmort7744
    @heyitsmort7744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love a full explanation vid (directions, etc) at some point!

  • @beilzabob4419
    @beilzabob4419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to know more on how the movement works on controllers like this. As a pc player the hot key buttons are easy but the movement could make or break me wanting one. Thanks for your input so far!!!

    • @sugarbandit8755
      @sugarbandit8755 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      there are left right down and up buttons, which when pressed give you the maximum value in that direction according to the gamecube controller coordinate grid. Then it has 2 modifier buttons, which when held give a shortened value of the direction you pressed. So pressing right will give you a run in that direction, and holding mod X and pressing right gives you a walk

    • @beilzabob4419
      @beilzabob4419 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sugarbandit8755 Okay but what about tilts or smashes that can change direction slightly up or down to give a better directional advantage on short or tall characters?

    • @sugarbandit8755
      @sugarbandit8755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@beilzabob4419 very good question, for tilt attacks you can either bind them to the c stick, or if you hold mod x (or mod y i think bust most people use X), press a direction and a you will get that directions tilt attack. for angled tilts, you can hold up and forward to get an upwards angled forward tilt, same with other direction. im pretty sure the same applied to smash attacks.

    • @beilzabob4419
      @beilzabob4419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sugarbandit8755 Thanks!

  • @spadeLoK
    @spadeLoK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think a controller like this would help me learn melee, definitely will look into practicing with keyboard first then upgrading if i like it

  • @Minwu325
    @Minwu325 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    can't wait to hear about the smash stick

  • @sunnyink7674
    @sunnyink7674 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As old as this vid is, I’m glad we’re finally seeing some top players besides Hax using these controllers. It’s a good step to getting these types of controllers normalized.

  • @VideoCentral-bh9tf
    @VideoCentral-bh9tf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay! He’s finally moving to joycons!

  • @SurferFlash
    @SurferFlash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My only concern with moving away from the "standard" controller is that anything beyond the gamecube controller becomes programmable. Simple things like - 1 button for short hop, 1 button for normal jump, seem trivial at first. But making 1 button into short hop plus neutral A would be very powerful.
    Buttons can also be used for spacing. You can now have frame spacing buttons - which enable heroes like Marth to chain grab easier, tipper easier etc.
    I think it's great to see new innovations - just calling out the inherent advantages which I'm sure will be discussed at length.

    • @hteety
      @hteety 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Late to the party, but generally the community would regulate what is allowed and what isn't. For instance in the FGC, digital controllers like the hitbox is only allowed a single DPad input which can't have a controller that has multiple ways to jump to make specific combos easier.
      The idea that current competitive controllers don't offer advantages is already silly. If we allow mods that let you physically feel where certain angles are that aren't standard, and,along buttons easier to press. The only thimg that matters is what the community allows and what they don't.

    • @SurferFlash
      @SurferFlash 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hteety I didn't want to go into it any deeper, I agree than any variation to the gamecube controller is an unfair advantage.
      Regardless of if it is "allowed"