@@MultiDivebomber Its a .50 cal quad mounted half-track from the 40s intended for AA. Pretty vicious within shorter ranges and uncomfortably effective against infantry, though a fairly exposed firing position. Supposably nicknamed "meat chopper" in various languages.
Saw this first hand during desert storm. What you don’t see in the one round simulation is the multiple rounds a .50cal fires that makes the bmp Swiss cheese.
Muzzle velocity at 300 yards? Man that is an awfully long barrel But I should add, that some modern .50 bmg rounds have a muzzle velocity of roughly 920 m/s.
It would make next to no difference, this round penetrates like 30mm of steel. You would have to increase the range to kilometer(s) to make it not pen.
Light armor from the 1980s and earlier were mainly designed to protect against 7.62 mm rounds and some shrapnel, at least from the sides and back. Some light armored vehicles could protect against 12.7 mm rounds. What surprised me was that teh round appears to fragment as it penetrates. That would be like a small grenade going off inside the vehicle.
If I may, One warm summer night right around 1980 I was riding my first “big” bike, a rather elegantly distressed Ducati 860GT (which carefully matched my equally distressed finances), along a local country road to the next town here in the East of England. I was pleased to be wearing an open-faced helmet with (I considered) sexy RAF Mk IV goggles. Naturally I sported the goggles exclusively on the brow of the helmet rather than actually wearing them because, well, I wasn’t overly bright. I was having a lovely ride, that Ducati did canter along pretty well and those pipes sounded quite glorious. However, even though the headlamp was just pitiful, along a faster bit of the lane I had a fleeting glimpse of something like a lit-up pixie just before being painfully smacked on the end of my nose by something that exploded. Turned out it was a huge moth that left my face painted in yellow goo with my nose as ground zero. That took the gloss off the whole day. Mind you, a local well-known biker at around the same time who used to ride a truly horrible Norton Commando had a similar event but was hit in the eye when overtaking a car on a long straight just outside town. He managed to get the bike stopped and the car he was overtaking stopped too. When the car driver helped him get his helmet off, a dead bat fell out. Afterward he looked like he’d been hit with a fence post.
Everybody complaining about war thunder should note that one of the vehicle upgrades for the BMP-2 in WT makes it a BMP-2D; which has appliqué on the side to block .50’s
That's a point blank distance tho. If it's anywhere near 500m (in case of US it'd be anywhere outside the urban environment), then afaik BMP is supposed to hold it. At least it was when it was developed.
@Boomchacle .50 cal could probably do a 1000m, .308 could probably do 500m. Although it depends on how much powder is in it, Kentucky Ballistics almost died cuz one of the SLAP rounds was too hot and turned his gun into a giant grenade.
I remember doing the muzzle energy calcs for our little diddly 2pdr 🇬🇧 I think it worked out to being equivalent to 20 lumps of .50 BMG? Effective, nonetheless.....
What about with that short-lived 'squeeze-gun' attachment you lot invented? Always wished I could play a Matilda in game other than WoT with that attachment installed, even if it would invariably get 'shot out' pretty quickly...
@thisherehandleIdospout is that the Littlejohn Adapter or something like that? I've not seen how much it boosted the speed, but I guess it's a lightweight way to create a rifled small diameter projectile that acts a little like APDS?
@@-WarCriminal-22 I am aware that it is weaker than a .50 BMG, there are plenty of simulations on the channel showing a round failing to penetrate. I was curious to see how close or not it would be to penetration.
@@John_McCarthy1 Banana Ballistics did a comparison between .450 BM, .458 SOCOM, and .50 Beowulf. None of the 3 managed to penetrate 1/4" mild steel. th-cam.com/video/S3o7E_2DlaA/w-d-xo.html
In the real world, like we are seeing in the ukraine war, these are only occasionally penetrating the armor like this. The casing appears to be more "slippery" than what the simulation suggests. But awesome video.
AFAIK it was 16 mm side, not 13. Anyway the HMG can pierce this at over 500 m with AP ammo, simply the BMP at 13 ton cannot hold vs a HMG side. It's hard also to hold frontally, but more feasable. Anyway the M113 can hold a HMG only over 600 meters frontally, so no wonder at all. I'd suggest to the S.Bros the frontal armour of BMP (i remember 19 mm at 57° and 7 mm at 80° upper plate).
it depends on the type of 50 BMG ammo. 50 BMG ball ammo and steel-core AP probably would not go through, but this simulation is for tungsten carbide core, like the Mk 211 Raufoss round, which will penetrate almost all modern APCs side armor (and some APC frontal armor). It is not useful against actual tanks, except to destroy sensors and optics.
Hello i wanted to ask if you can "save" the simulation result after a shot, and if yes, if we could have "consecutives/repeted non penetrating shots" on a armor plate, say for example a few M4 sherman M72 at range agaisnt for example the front plate of a Tiger, would the impact of one shell even at range weakn the armor enough for other shots (doesnt have to be "exactly where the other have lodged itself, can be a few cm apart) manage to break the hull and pierce the front plate ! THanks a lot !!!
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Which variant of 12.7mm ammo is this? The only 50BMG round I know of with a tungsten carbide core is the Mk. 211 Raufoss which also has explosive and incendiary components inside. Is this from a Soviet 12.7x108mm cartridge?
@@simulationbros It's not. I have a bunch of 50 BMG M2 AP (black tip) and I cut into one of the bullets and removed the core from the jacket. It is hardened steel - it can be cut with a file (although it takes a TON of work) and it is attracted to a magnet.
I have to correct myself - the rounds I have are Mk263 which is a newer AP version than M2. M2 may have some tungsten in the alloy used for the core, but it's still mostly iron.
At some point (read: speed) any mass become kinetically relevant, Isaac Newton, 2nd Law Of Motion: F=Ma. The challenge is to get a pen to accelerate to that speed.
POINT BLANK RANGE!!!!!!! So you would leave cover, run up to the BMP and fire a single shot at point blank range for this to happen?//!!??/? wft 😬😳 you A) would never be alive to even take the first shot B ) would not be alive to take the second shot VOTE NOW!!!! total BS!!!
The video specified the velocity with the round traveling at 894 m/s: that is likely short range less then 150m, still you would need to repeat a test like this at decreasing velocity repeatedly if you wanted to find a critical range where it will still go through at a flat angle. (Also I'm not sure which model of ammo this strictly reflects given they didn't list a model number. I'm not calling the round a bad design, but instead that I can't guarantee its a recreation of anything that actually is..) Its unlikely this specific simulation was designed to give any practical insights on anything in real life, and was more a curiosity of a war thunder player wondering if their sustained spray of 50bmg in an urban environment at 10 meters should be doing more then yellowing the commander.
@@Predator42ID There are like 2-3 rounds that use a black tip for .50 bmg, MK263, M2, etc etc. I was more familiar with a lot of these using hardened steel cores so the sizable tungsten core was the one thing I was unsure of.
This is probably a worst case scenario this is point blank with would probably be uncommon and against the side, I bet the front would probably stop the round
I dont get your euphoria, its quite transparent why was bmp designed that way and acting like smart ass cause you can think of situation where it sucks is asinine. Yeah its old wow, its closer to ww2 than today is to 9/11.
Why the heck this round completely brakes appart into a million pieces , by penetrating 14mm of steel ? Why even make such a shell and call it AP ? Just use a 10mm spaced armour plate and you can defeat every tungsten carbide AP round ? Just use a solid hardened steel core and this will be better in every way . Never thought that your sim could be wrong ? Why tungsten carbide is used since WW2 if it's that weak and easy to defeat . Some ballistic high speed guys should test this irl , shooting .50cals AP at 14mm steel plates . The other sim guy made one with a 14.5mm AT rifle shooting at "Schürzen" from a Pz4 , wich are about 5mm . And this also happened , some stupid 5mm sheet metal defeated a 14.5mm AP round .
This is not 13mm of regular steel it is very high hardness and 10mm of spaced armour would not defeat this round unless it is unrealistically far from the main plate. It still has a significant amount of remaining velocity and even though the round has fractured it will still go through a significant amount of steel much more than a standard hardened steel core. Additionally Tungsten core projectile are not meant for spaced armour and are primarily meant for flat penetration.
@simulationbros This is maybe face hardened , if the whole plate is that hard , even a non pen would injure the crew . High hardness armour is stupid in every way , or there is a softer plate behind or spall liners . But anyways , even the 5mm spaced armour of German WW2 tanks defeated the 14.5mm tungsten AP round . Almost no angle of impact , broke into pieces and couldn't defeat the 30mm side armour behind in a simulation . Could you also simulate that ? I read that the rounds started tumbling around after penetration of that 5mm and this stopped them from penetrating the 30mm behind . It's unbelievable that a 5mm steel plate can break a AP round at no angle . But this could be tested easy irl by guntubers , in ultra slow motion . 😉
Keep in mind: They apparently made the bullet casing of Minengeschoss rounds thinner in order to fit in more explosives, which made it better against really soft targets (i.e. the unarmored parts of planes, which is why you always see it being used in aircraft and light AA guns) but that thinner shell would *really* hurt penetration 😕 Two shells hitting the EXACT same spot might help, but I still think you'd still be better of with another round, regardless. Minengeschoss is a very 'all or nothing' kind of round, I think 🤔
May I request a Frozen banana vs the thinnest part of armour from a Pz. 1
I also request this
What speed
@simulationbros maybe 5 km/s
@@simulationbros Warp Speed o/
@@simulationbros300 m/s or higher
Always gotta love the Minecraft music in these simulations
Thank you guys. Won't lie. It surprises me how easy a 50 bmg will get through the side wall of a bmp. Thank you. Keep up the work. Love these videos
Afaik BMP-1 was only meant to survive .50cal from a distance of about 500m, not point blank
well, it was designed as an antitank round, at the end of ww1
The BMG is over 100 years old and still a serious pain in the A. The tungsten core, DU and APDS even more devastating
This is a dedicated anti armor round though. Don't expect these results when firing regular ball
The BMP is armored about as well as what the .50 M2 AP round was intended to defeat outside of the glacis plate.
Gotta be scary sitting in a BMP.
You don't just sit in a BMP, you squat.
But Ukrainians have no choice…
I'd imagine even a standard steel core ball round of 50 BMG could penetrate that plate lol
Yup I did a preliminary sim with steel core and it penned
@simulationbros cool, wonder how much RHA it could pen at 10m, 0 degrees 🤔 my guess is ~20mm
@@M1A2_AbramsSEPv3pretty sure the steel would be around 20mm and the ap is up the 29
When you're minding your own business in your BMP and a M16 comes around the corner.
M-16 uses 5.56mm...not .50 cal
@@MultiDivebomber The M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage
@@MultiDivebomber Its a .50 cal quad mounted half-track from the 40s intended for AA. Pretty vicious within shorter ranges and uncomfortably effective against infantry, though a fairly exposed firing position. Supposably nicknamed "meat chopper" in various languages.
@@MultiDivebomberhe's talking about the M16 MGMC. Notice thst he didn't add a -.
@@MultiDivebomber Are you stupid or something?.You added a dash in M16,we are talkingg about vehicles not firearms
This is an AP round. I'd like to see M2 (lead core) or M33 (mild steel core) which are the standard belt types.
I tested m33 as a preliminary test and it went through and lead would probably get stopped
Speaking on behalf of the crew ... Well that hurts
Extremely surprising. You'd think the BMPs would have better armor than this.
Imagine if war thunder did these simulations for every hit. CPU would be cooked lol
This is why we need quantum computers, who needs encryption or AI?
@@zockertwins that shit will allow massive battles, real life army sized simulations
the proliferation of hmgs and autocannons have been a disaster for old model apcs, to say nothing of rockets and missiles
Saw this first hand during desert storm. What you don’t see in the one round simulation is the multiple rounds a .50cal fires that makes the bmp Swiss cheese.
Please Do the simulation again, but whatever the muzzle velocity would be at 300 yards and thank you
Muzzle velocity at 300 yards? Man that is an awfully long barrel
But I should add, that some modern .50 bmg rounds have a muzzle velocity of roughly 920 m/s.
@@emeryhenry1849can confirm that changing out a 300 yard long barrel is quite difficult.
It would make next to no difference, this round penetrates like 30mm of steel. You would have to increase the range to kilometer(s) to make it not pen.
Download War Thunder and use the armor sim against a standard .50 on just about anything.
I'll point out that we're making assumptions about the quality of Soviet steel, and the storage conditions of those vehicles.
Bruh i requested this (probably among others) for bingo distance. BMP was ever rated only against .308 point blank.
Light armor from the 1980s and earlier were mainly designed to protect against 7.62 mm rounds and some shrapnel, at least from the sides and back. Some light armored vehicles could protect against 12.7 mm rounds.
What surprised me was that teh round appears to fragment as it penetrates. That would be like a small grenade going off inside the vehicle.
The minecraft music 🫠
Ik man no one noticed 😞
@@Better_Bread it's beautiful
May i request T32 american heavy tank upper front plate vs object 248 BR-540B APHE round
war thunder fan xd
Yes, you may.
War Thunder-
Orange gunner after getting headshot
yoU GOT A hole in your right skull
Real life-
*OP gets brown pants after figuring out life isn't a video game*
BMP-2 gunner isn't in hull, he's in the turret if you didn't know.
@@tazionuvolari8142well guess what! Fragments!
@@ssuuss539 well guess what! Anti fragmentation jacket.
I would really be interested in how fast a fat fly must be to penetrate the plastic shield of a motorcycle helmet ...
If I may,
One warm summer night right around 1980 I was riding my first “big” bike, a rather elegantly distressed Ducati 860GT (which carefully matched my equally distressed finances), along a local country road to the next town here in the East of England. I was pleased to be wearing an open-faced helmet with (I considered) sexy RAF Mk IV goggles. Naturally I sported the goggles exclusively on the brow of the helmet rather than actually wearing them because, well, I wasn’t overly bright.
I was having a lovely ride, that Ducati did canter along pretty well and those pipes sounded quite glorious. However, even though the headlamp was just pitiful, along a faster bit of the lane I had a fleeting glimpse of something like a lit-up pixie just before being painfully smacked on the end of my nose by something that exploded.
Turned out it was a huge moth that left my face painted in yellow goo with my nose as ground zero.
That took the gloss off the whole day.
Mind you, a local well-known biker at around the same time who used to ride a truly horrible Norton Commando had a similar event but was hit in the eye when overtaking a car on a long straight just outside town. He managed to get the bike stopped and the car he was overtaking stopped too. When the car driver helped him get his helmet off, a dead bat fell out. Afterward he looked like he’d been hit with a fence post.
Everybody complaining about war thunder should note that one of the vehicle upgrades for the BMP-2 in WT makes it a BMP-2D; which has appliqué on the side to block .50’s
Thanks for the minecraft music. Mesmerizing
As expected. That thing's sides were supposed to protect against things up to 7.62 Nato IIRC
As an addendum to my other comment, I would also like an internal spa liner to be there because I know that on the newer BMPs they had spa liners
Well at least we know that some US civilians can deal with Russian light armor
That's a point blank distance tho. If it's anywhere near 500m (in case of US it'd be anywhere outside the urban environment), then afaik BMP is supposed to hold it. At least it was when it was developed.
@@-WarCriminal-22 True. I wonder how far away a SLAP round would pen from.
@Boomchacle .50 cal could probably do a 1000m, .308 could probably do 500m. Although it depends on how much powder is in it, Kentucky Ballistics almost died cuz one of the SLAP rounds was too hot and turned his gun into a giant grenade.
you made me think the music was comming from my game I have open
that 50 ill come out sharp and intact on the other side... i have the recovered AP cores to prove it...
Might I suggest ratte front plate vs Gustav gun shell
I remember doing the muzzle energy calcs for our little diddly 2pdr 🇬🇧 I think it worked out to being equivalent to 20 lumps of .50 BMG? Effective, nonetheless.....
Hi-diddly-ho, neighborino! 🙋♂️
What about with that short-lived 'squeeze-gun' attachment you lot invented? Always wished I could play a Matilda in game other than WoT with that attachment installed, even if it would invariably get 'shot out' pretty quickly...
@thisherehandleIdospout is that the Littlejohn Adapter or something like that? I've not seen how much it boosted the speed, but I guess it's a lightweight way to create a rifled small diameter projectile that acts a little like APDS?
what failure model and damage evolution do you use for tungsten carbide?
Johnson cook strength model and tensile pressure failure
@simulationbros thanks! It looks very accurate
Now how about .50 beowulf againts a BMP
That round can't do shit to armor, it's way weaker than BMG
@@-WarCriminal-22 I am aware that it is weaker than a .50 BMG, there are plenty of simulations on the channel showing a round failing to penetrate. I was curious to see how close or not it would be to penetration.
@@John_McCarthy1 Banana Ballistics did a comparison between .450 BM, .458 SOCOM, and .50 Beowulf. None of the 3 managed to penetrate 1/4" mild steel. th-cam.com/video/S3o7E_2DlaA/w-d-xo.html
I still need l3 vs Sturmtiger
imo you can’t call a vehicle armored if it can’t stop an HMG. Kinda the bare minimum of protection.
Would be nice to see some controls - 9mm/7.62/5.56 so we know the params are sane
An idea to use different (thickness) armor plates in one video 😉
Would be more interesting to see from combat range like a kilometer or two.
In the real world, like we are seeing in the ukraine war, these are only occasionally penetrating the armor like this. The casing appears to be more "slippery" than what the simulation suggests. But awesome video.
AFAIK it was 16 mm side, not 13. Anyway the HMG can pierce this at over 500 m with AP ammo, simply the BMP at 13 ton cannot hold vs a HMG side. It's hard also to hold frontally, but more feasable. Anyway the M113 can hold a HMG only over 600 meters frontally, so no wonder at all. I'd suggest to the S.Bros the frontal armour of BMP (i remember 19 mm at 57° and 7 mm at 80° upper plate).
Remaining velocity: Enough m/s
Crazy. I thought they're made to withstand 50 cal.
Apparently at a range of ~500m+, not point blank as was the case in this simulation, supposedly ;)
it depends on the type of 50 BMG ammo. 50 BMG ball ammo and steel-core AP probably would not go through, but this simulation is for tungsten carbide core, like the Mk 211 Raufoss round, which will penetrate almost all modern APCs side armor (and some APC frontal armor). It is not useful against actual tanks, except to destroy sensors and optics.
Do someone really use tungsten carbide core .50 BMG? This should cost a fortune
can u do m829 (variant of choice) against later model t72s (i.e b3m) or t90 (also variant of choice
You should see what a 25mm does to a T72
Shot where at exactly and what 25mm round exactly
Now do various 50bmg rounds like blue, black, and green tip
Hello i wanted to ask if you can "save" the simulation result after a shot, and if yes, if we could have "consecutives/repeted non penetrating shots" on a armor plate, say for example a few M4 sherman M72 at range agaisnt for example the front plate of a Tiger, would the impact of one shell even at range weakn the armor enough for other shots (doesnt have to be "exactly where the other have lodged itself, can be a few cm apart) manage to break the hull and pierce the front plate ! THanks a lot !!!
Fun fact: Frontal armor of a M2 bradley is weaker than of a bmp-2
Is that what Putin told you ? XD
‘Shell shattered’
😆
Could you do the same but without ap just regular fmj .50?
Whats the music at the outro?
Onward, its from out gustav video.
At point blank range. Not an easy thing to do.
Suggest dropping the music. Video doesn't need it. Good simulation.
Музыка из Майна всегда прекрасна
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* shell shattered *
Thats why russians hate it, imagine getting shot all over with 20mm and 30mm autocanons
Which variant of 12.7mm ammo is this? The only 50BMG round I know of with a tungsten carbide core is the Mk. 211 Raufoss which also has explosive and incendiary components inside. Is this from a Soviet 12.7x108mm cartridge?
I found a cross section of a M2 AP that says the composition of the AP core is tungsten carbide
@@simulationbros It's not. I have a bunch of 50 BMG M2 AP (black tip) and I cut into one of the bullets and removed the core from the jacket. It is hardened steel - it can be cut with a file (although it takes a TON of work) and it is attracted to a magnet.
I have to correct myself - the rounds I have are Mk263 which is a newer AP version than M2. M2 may have some tungsten in the alloy used for the core, but it's still mostly iron.
.308 vs BMP.
Explains why the Ukrainians love the Bradley so muich...
And against the bradly gun?
Will ptrs-41 make it through bmp side armor?
Like through butter
Tiger 1 sprenggranate 43 (HE SHELL 300 m/s) vs t-34-76 front armor
It is 16 mm for BMP-1, 15 mm for BMP-2
Whats the outro music?
Awesome, now how about 5.56
Critical hit!
BMG > BMP
50 cal?
Pen at 2.000m/s vs bmp
At some point (read: speed) any mass become kinetically relevant, Isaac Newton, 2nd Law Of Motion: F=Ma.
The challenge is to get a pen to accelerate to that speed.
14.5x114 AP round vs Bradley IFV when you get the chance. Please and thank you.
Why even have armour if it’s not gonna stop a 50BMG… then id rather have mobility tbh…
Not surprising at point blank. What about 800-1000m tho?
Tell it to war thunder devs , they will see something new to them, more of reality
Bmp 1?
BMP 2 sorry I forgot to put it in the armour details
Holy shit.
So a bmp is basicaly a ww2 puma
Distance?
Point blank
The armor is aluminium?
Steel side of bmp is high hardness steel front is aluminum
@@simulationbros The infamous slippery slope armor principle applied here?
Bmp vs pkt 7,62mm pls
DU 50 bmg?
Hit. +6SL +2SP
Please remind me never to travel in a combat zone by BMP
Raufoss mk 211 and its goodbye
like many other personnal carrier from cold aera war....
Is this BMP-3?
Insert your mom joke here.
🥰🥰🥰
POINT BLANK RANGE!!!!!!! So you would leave cover, run up to the BMP and fire a single shot at point blank range for this to happen?//!!??/? wft 😬😳
you A) would never be alive to even take the first shot
B ) would not be alive to take the second shot
VOTE NOW!!!! total BS!!!
Vid results would be around the same for like 200m
Дистанция обстрела какая?
Fmj. 50
skibidi toilet vs m48
Driver yellow*
I would like the same simulation, but with BMP-1D and additional armor.
Or the newest variant of BMP-1AM, they also added side armour, probably to counter the SLAP rounds.
и какая дистанция ?
Point blank
The video specified the velocity with the round traveling at 894 m/s: that is likely short range less then 150m, still you would need to repeat a test like this at decreasing velocity repeatedly if you wanted to find a critical range where it will still go through at a flat angle. (Also I'm not sure which model of ammo this strictly reflects given they didn't list a model number. I'm not calling the round a bad design, but instead that I can't guarantee its a recreation of anything that actually is..)
Its unlikely this specific simulation was designed to give any practical insights on anything in real life, and was more a curiosity of a war thunder player wondering if their sustained spray of 50bmg in an urban environment at 10 meters should be doing more then yellowing the commander.
в упор
@@WalrusJones185 Black tip means it's a standard 647-grain armor-piercing incendiary tracer round.
@@Predator42ID There are like 2-3 rounds that use a black tip for .50 bmg, MK263, M2, etc etc.
I was more familiar with a lot of these using hardened steel cores so the sizable tungsten core was the one thing I was unsure of.
по моему борт и не должен держать 12.7
@@kaptshulman да не должен
Imagine riding in an "Armored" personnel carrier that isn't proof against maybe the most common HMG you could possibly face. Insane.
This is probably a worst case scenario this is point blank with would probably be uncommon and against the side, I bet the front would probably stop the round
I dont get your euphoria, its quite transparent why was bmp designed that way and acting like smart ass cause you can think of situation where it sucks is asinine. Yeah its old wow, its closer to ww2 than today is to 9/11.
Don't worry the BMP has a cool safety feature where most of the IFV is a fuel bomb that goes off and atomizes the crew.
@@robertkalinic335 And its still not able to deal with a round from WW1. Oops.
Why did you do point blank at the perfect angle. Such an unrealistic scenario. Why not 200 meters at 45 degrees?
Why the heck this round completely brakes appart into a million pieces , by penetrating 14mm of steel ? Why even make such a shell and call it AP ? Just use a 10mm spaced armour plate and you can defeat every tungsten carbide AP round ?
Just use a solid hardened steel core and this will be better in every way .
Never thought that your sim could be wrong ? Why tungsten carbide is used since WW2 if it's that weak and easy to defeat . Some ballistic high speed guys should test this irl , shooting .50cals AP at 14mm steel plates . The other sim guy made one with a 14.5mm AT rifle shooting at "Schürzen" from a Pz4 , wich are about 5mm . And this also happened , some stupid 5mm sheet metal defeated a 14.5mm AP round .
This is not 13mm of regular steel it is very high hardness and 10mm of spaced armour would not defeat this round unless it is unrealistically far from the main plate. It still has a significant amount of remaining velocity and even though the round has fractured it will still go through a significant amount of steel much more than a standard hardened steel core. Additionally Tungsten core projectile are not meant for spaced armour and are primarily meant for flat penetration.
@simulationbros This is maybe face hardened , if the whole plate is that hard , even a non pen would injure the crew . High hardness armour is stupid in every way , or there is a softer plate behind or spall liners .
But anyways , even the 5mm spaced armour of German WW2 tanks defeated the 14.5mm tungsten AP round . Almost no angle of impact , broke into pieces and couldn't defeat the 30mm side armour behind in a simulation . Could you also simulate that ?
I read that the rounds started tumbling around after penetration of that 5mm and this stopped them from penetrating the 30mm behind . It's unbelievable that a 5mm steel plate can break a AP round at no angle .
But this could be tested easy irl by guntubers , in ultra slow motion . 😉
pov: you’re an imperial japanese soldier told that no small arms would penetrate your tank
2cm minengeschoss vs a lightly armored vehicle? i love minengeschoss
Keep in mind: They apparently made the bullet casing of Minengeschoss rounds thinner in order to fit in more explosives, which made it better against really soft targets (i.e. the unarmored parts of planes, which is why you always see it being used in aircraft and light AA guns) but that thinner shell would *really* hurt penetration 😕 Two shells hitting the EXACT same spot might help, but I still think you'd still be better of with another round, regardless. Minengeschoss is a very 'all or nothing' kind of round, I think 🤔