Assassin's Creed Odyssey | A Narrative Critique | Luke Stephens
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2018
- In this, the first part of my Assassin's Creed Odyssey Critique, I look to analyze everything that the game does in way of its narrative design and approach. The next video will look at the gameplay, and the third video will look at how these elements tie together into the final product. Thank you for watching, and make sure to subscribe for the next part.
Just to be clear, now, 62% of you think that AC Odyssey is not an "Assassin's Creed" game.
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I had a blast with Odyssey, I love that era it is set in. I had a little more fun in odyssey than I did with origins.
@@demetter7936 as an assassin's creed game it really was yes, but as an rpg it was one of the best not gonna lie, but i agree with you.
@@demetter7936 So all the people who have a different taste and enjoyed the game all have an awful taste, got it
that's one way to describe people who enjoyed the game, there is no such thing as having "awful taste", just gonna leave this here "de gustibus non est disputandum"@@demetter7936
i think that the fact that a baby (younger sibiling) survived is actually cool think because greek mythology is full of those unbeliavable crazy plot twists and stories
The devs actually confirmed the whole main story (except for the Assassin's Creed Isu stuff etc.) is based on a Greek story
@@RoboGamerNL i mean the everything in the game is so clear that is historical mytholigy related. If they said that they think of that stoty and missions nobody would believe them
What myth is it based on?
@@andikanntia-james6471 im not talking about this particular one, im just saying that things like that happen in greek mythology for example someone to survive that kind of fall or to not die when somone put a spear trough him
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The story of Zeus is like that. Sure Zeus mother replaced him with a rock but the principle is the same. Judeo Christian narratives also talk about child sacrifice where the children survives.
Phoebe getting to the mainland wasn't a coincidence, she was manipulated by Aspascia to steer Kassandra wherd she wants her. It was actually brilliant and was one of the great forward looking story pieces that made the game so memorable to me.
I still don't get why people say the games lost focus on stealth, I mean did they just run into every fort throwing bombs and killing like 50 guards all at once?
I did that in previous games too.
If anything, this game is MORE stealth based. Really more on patience, dedication, and talent. As well having to actually build you character to focus on that aspect of gameplay.
@@ginjafox9509 I actually think is faster than say unity (of you don't spam tools), the systems are simpler and you can get around without the need to assassinate every single guard
If say revelation is really when the series lost it. 3 expanded the issues but the new combat and 4 nailed the coffin shut
Brotherhood sped up combat and made partying easier creating that "press x to win" mentality people look at the old one with
Wait what bombs? I wanna do that? That is what I remember doing in origins but they are missing in Odyssey :( .
Or to be precise, only other mercenaries have them...MALAKAS!
1st of 3 videos? Goddamn Luke your dedication is inspiring. I'm glad we have someone that is passionate about the franchise and not instantly shitting on every new entry. Keep it up man! I'm gonna stick till the end :D
well said, except... inspring ;)
same
@@iansteelmatheson haha damn you got me! Time to make a swift edit
I preferred AC origins more
My favorite game of all time. It was a blast playing it!!!!
Same! The only other game I have more than 100 hours invested is Sims 4, lol.
i like how you said at the start that you dont spoil much but you spoil pretty much everything lol
He said spoiler warning after it xD listen before you complain
personally, i really like the new game design, i just want to see it accompanying the Assassins Creed Storyline. The name of the game is Assassins Creed, my thought process is if you're going mostly forsake the story of the Assassins Creed franchise. Just make a new franchise altogether or call it a spin off. thats what i think they are doing with Gods and Monsters (Which i like). To me its basically like if the devs of halo made a halo game that took place in present day and the story had almost nothing to do with the halo story but it evolved the gameplay. Yeah, the game might be fun and have an excellently told story. but at that point, dont call it halo. Because it isnt. make it a new franchise or at the very least call it a spin off. I like Origins a lot, but Odyssey doesnt fit very well in my opinion.
You'll probably like Valhalla.
Still havent played it, but I plan to.
Will save this video to a playlist and watch afterwards.
Its a great game. Its a mixture of the witcher 3, origins, and black flag.
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@@user-gu5dv7vj8r Thank you! Quite the work of art, that album.
Its seriously worth it. It can feel a teeny bit bloated but, most everything feels well built and fleshed out. It trualy is an excellent historical fantasy rpg
Don't believe me. Don 't
I play as Alexios cause I like Kassandra better as Deimos
Alexios also rocks the rousing speeches. Michael Antonakos has one of the commanding voices I've ever heard.
@@Psychol-Snooper ok, boomer
@@sneaky5141 Yeah dude, we get it. You hate the elderly.
@@Psychol-Snooper oh dear, didnt realise you actually were an OAP my bad granddad
@@sneaky5141 I'm a millennial. I'm just calling you out for being a trash human. (edit - I don't assume you are a bad person, it's just cruel thing to use age to demean people.)
Fun fact. After accepting task to kill Wolf of Sparta from Elpinor i actually stumbled upon Cyclops torturing Barnabas while being on another quest to free some dude's brother and that way i got myself a ship, so i never knew about 100k drachmee or got a quest from Marcus. And then, after having a talk on a cliff with Nikolaos and deciding not to kill him i also decided not to go to Elpinor with it right away, because dude's creepy and Nikolaos did say smthn about snakes in the grass, and then Branabas said something about oracle in Delphi, that i should go there, point is, i decided to check with the oracle before going to Elpinor and the way it played out is that i learned about CoK and Elpinor's role in it from that quest and so i never had to go take the Wolf's helmet to E. and to lie to him. That's pretty cool story branching i would say, as RPG as it gets. :)
i am in love with this game. i have spent more time with this game than rdr2 even though i waited for rdr for so long.
NRMwalkthroughHD imo RDR2 was disappointing
The only reason you spent more time because this game has an enormous grind an rdr2 doesn't.
Absolutely loving the multiple part series!!! Bro this is the next step in your channel!!!
Huge thanks for the in-detail critique Luke. Honestly one of the only channels that put such passion into those videos. And I love how you aren't biased whatever being an AC fan. You give shit and props where and when it is deserved.
I think that the mayor problem with the game (wich some people might look over but to me is what drags the game from being excellent) is the poorly combination between gameplay, story and lore. The game cannot do a perfect merge of this three and it shows a lot, and to me, someone who has start with the saga seens the beginning and likes more story-base games, that is a really big problem.
There are moments when it shows that the game could had a more deep story and a more strong connection with the lore, but utterly it's the gameplay who has the spotlight and sometimes it kinda ruins a lot of potential, like the Phoebe scene or the endings (Or this past controversy with the DLC).
And this wouldn't be such a big problem to me if I didn't knew that is possible to have this perfect combination betwin those three things. I would take a skilled writer to do it, something that Ubi Quebec have shown they lack of.
To the sacred life and not taking a life unless you have to.
That's a Tennant of the assassins order
The Assassins don't exist yet and so the Tennant doesn't exist
shut up
And yet we are allowed to kill civilians
@@slowwave107 why are you telling him to shut up, is it because he is right
@@nelsondelvalle694 yeah its right i feel like saying that out loud is kinda cringe
"Ubisoft had stop since Origins pretending that Assassins Creed is supposed to be realistic and as instead double down on the fun magic stuff that happens I understand why people might not like it but this clearly the way its heading they wanted to have this to be their open world fantasy action RPG they've moved on from the attempts at grounded narrative from years past simply Ubisoft doesn't want you to take Assassins Creed super seriously they want you to play it as a fun open world exploration based title with some RPG mechanics they don't want you to approach it as a present day storyline based narrative driven experience focused on Abstergo The Templars and the idea that there's this new world order that's trying to eliminate free will in humanity that is still at play that's still a theme that foes on in the background of the game but that's not what the game itself is about"
This quote explains why I don't like odyssey and the direction that Ubisoft is taking with Assassins Creed. They could of just made another series if this is want they wanted instead they abandoned on what made the series and didn't try to make it better or innovate they just switch genres to appeal different people and abandon their fans that made this series popular
I wouldn't say that this is representative of ubisoft in general. This maybe the case for Quebec and the shareholders of Ubisoft but Ubisoft Montreal is the antithesis of Luke's statement and I don't know if he knows that there are multiple developers for the AC franchise.
Branden Walton yeah but Ubisoft will look at the praise and sales and will continue this direction no matter what studio
I'm in the exact camp that he described the game isn't catering to anymore. I loved the new world order shit in the original games, especially the focus on ancestral lineage and the bleeding affect that would occur from being in the animus for too long. I kept playing the games after that stuff faded away but odyssey is where I had to draw the line. It's also the case that I can't stand Ubisoft's sandbox design anymore.
You nailed why I am disappointed in Ubisoft so well.
Applause.
Was it ever supposed to be realistic, seriously. The first game a mind controlling magic orb
Good review! I’ve put more hours than I want to admit into this game and still no where near done. I feel like I’ve kept all the main bits at the same completion level though so my endings should hit one right after the other for the most part. I can’t seem to focus on one thing cause there’s just TOO MUCH in this game. I love it but it’s a lot.
Oracle: the child will lead to the downfall of Sparta
Spartans: YEET
TheEDBShow YEET THAT FET(us)
The intro must be a joke, to call this game the magnum opus of the series comes with the clear intetion to make everybody laughs.
I love your work and Joseph Andersons, I appreciate that you post much more frequently. Keep up the great stuff!
I can't agree with the narrative of Odyssey being the best narrative Assassin's Creed has to offer, Revelations is the best narrative that I believe Assassin's Creed has to offer.
It really wasn't though.
@@SPM0717 If you don't like it be my guess.
I’ve played them all several times and can’t remember a thing about Revelations that wasn’t part of Altaïr’s plot
The nostalgia is talking
@@gotworc In what way? I truly believe that AC Revelations is the narrative to come from AC and if you don't agree at least give a reasonable statement towards why.
Beautifully said actually this video made me realize why I love this game (:
As I stumble around youtube looking at content and reviews on games I may want to play for my own channel i found this video. This was amazing! It really opened my eyes to the story of the one assassin's creed game I thought stepped away from the main narrative, but now I want to give it a chance. Thanks so much Luke! This video was awesome. You earned yourself a sub today for sure
not to correct you in any bad way of form but at around 31:50 you talk about the taking a life part while you are confronted with taking lives throughout the game if you know it happens. Guards will carry their dead comrades to a suitable grave and talk about the person(and it is not the best way, it is acknowledged.) And in the legacy of the first blade DLC you are literally confronted with the option of looking at yourself like a monster or seeing the murder as mandatory.
Love the video btw.
Kindest regards,
Bobby :)
I don't think he had the DLCs because he didn't talk about any of them
they should have just called the game 'Odyssey'.
Best explanation of people's problem with this game is this comment. It's just another RPG now, not an assassins creed game.
So true
@@croneryveit9070 exactly, the parkour is stupid
But it's an assassin's creed game
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange the parkour is better than any game before
Amazing video,I can see there's alot of work put into it.I instantly subscribed and will be watching the rest of your videos.Keep up the great work.
YES finaly ! I was waiting for this video
I'm a bit iffy on Luke's statement towards the end of the video regarding what Assassin's Creed was meant to be, or what ubisoft wanted it to be. The creator of the game Patrice Desiliet, by all intents and purposes, wanted an open world game that gave us, the player, the ability to explore the scenery of the whatever time period we were visiting to give us a better look at what the world was like during whatever time period. Now whether or not he wanted the game to go towards being a RPG, I dont know but with the games that he and his team developed I would say that his main focus was on linear based games semi RPG like titles that had a clear, overarching goal for where the franchise was headed. I don't believe that Luke's statement is representative of what the creator of the franchise envisioned but is representative of the companies goals to make as much money out of the franchise as they can and not because they care about the franchise, much less the fans of this franchise.
I love the way you play with words!
Always exited to listen to your reviews!
I love your videos please keep making them!
At the 30 minute mark when you talk about the killing, they address that in the DLC in a pretty cool way I think
Im on the side that odyssey is a good game by its own but as an assassin creed game its not.
It was the same with dmc: devil may cry definitive edition being a decent game but a terrible devil may cry game
This is just a personal opinion and it doesnt stop me from enjoying origins and odyssey. I just hope that games after these get better as time goes on
A very well done review, good sir. You obviously put a lot of thought into this.
Keep up the great work Luke, fantastic content. Subscribed really quickly after stumbling upon an A.C. critique.
Honestly, talking about ludo-narrative, thing is, AC always had an out. Especially now, when you remember that the Animus is now basically a game console. Not only that, it's almost like a company of game consoles that take the real life stuff and ''bend'' it for fun right? I always assumed that there's embellishments done in these memories, since they aren't 1 to 1 memories like Desmond. It's like, Abstergo is Ubisoft making games and stuff, I thought that was what they were telling me in Black Flag basically, or that's just how I read it. That they changed the boring parts with ''oh fight a minotaur'' instead of ''then she went into this weird cave and found that piece of bullshit, wow players gonna hate this add a boss fight here''. I dunno, my head cannon I guess.
I know I'm late but you are wrong. In AC 1 to 3 wr had the animus that showed REAL history.
Then in AC 4 and Rogue we have been reliving the REAL history so they can create the game, we have not been playing the edited game.
In AC Unity and Syndicate you are playing the game (inside a game) but the assassins hack it and send you the REAL history.
In Origins to Valhalla Layla has her own Animus that should be exactly same as the old ones but more compact. So again, it's REAL history.
Only AC game where it'd not real history is Liberation, there you have to unlock the REAL history.
So no, thete is no such excuse.
@@gamefan987 I'm not wrong, I said they have an ''out'' , and that it'd be cool to have this ''Abstergo reflecting Game companies'' thing, I didn't say that it was something they were doing from day 1, just that it'd be a neat swerve.
Great video!
What are your thoughts on Odyssey's DLCs? Especially the Atlantis DLC?
I do HATE that we can choose things in this game which canonically the animus can never do since it only relives memories, not make them
I first subscribed with the AC Unity breakdown you made. And now here we are... Odyssey. How time flies and what a good time to be a Luke Stephen's sub :)
Duuuuuude, I've been waiting this video for daaaaays!!!!!!!!
Thanks dude, you make amazing content
Let me tell you something. I practically stopped playing AC after Black Flag. The others that came after never caught my atention as the previous ones did. The games looked to me sort of RPGs that weren't completely RPGs, so I felt that something was missing, idk.
But the, Odyssey came out. I had so little hopes on it that I didn't even watch trailers or gameplays or anything related to it. I wasn't at all eager, I was expecting RDR2 and was in my 2nd playthrough of Witcher 3. But then, I found it on Skidrow&Reloaded and decided to download it just to give it a try (yeah, I downloaded a cracked game, bite me). And it blew me away so hard that I haven't stopped playing it since day one. I played about 5 hours of the cracked one then I decided that the devs and Ubisoft really deserved my money and purchased the Ultimate Edition on Steam. Perhaps this is owed to my so-little expectations with this game. Perhaps it's owed to my devotion to Greek history and mythology. But I sincerely believe it's owed to the real masterpiece this game is. I'd give it 11 out of 10 any day.
And my personal recomendation would be Alexios. Maybe because I've been playing with him and created a bond with the character. But I also believe Michael Antonakos pours a bit more emotion to the character. Melisanthi is amazing as well, and I also loved her as Kassandra and Deimos. But what really got into Alexios was 1) "did he hurt your feelings?" and 2) the first part with The Wolf.
you should had seen origins then, it really blew out of the park when it came out
@@voiavictor Ya same here, honestly origins just always had that "magic" feeling again. That feeling the original game's had. Idk odyssey really felt just like a plane RPG to me. But That's just my opinion.
@Victor Voia idk, when Origins came out I kinda liked it, played it, watched a few gameplays, but it didn't strike me as hard as Odyssey has. Something about Bayek didn't captivate me much, and I found the story to be a bit confusing and lacking. It's a great game, of course, but to me Odyssey is untouchable right now.
@@rodri_merli27 I can respect that opinion. Though i felt that Bayek was a great protagonist in origins, and one of the best characters in the series.
But out side of that Odyssey is really fun to play, and I'm glad you like it as much. 👍Though i have play both, i do still personally prefer Origins. Felt more solid, and knew what it wanted to be.
Odyssey has great things, but felt it was all over the place, from story, gameplay, world, etc. But that's just my opinion. It's a Good game, maybe a Great one.
As I said, I might be baised big time by my sheer veneration of Ancient Greece that I can be blinded to a few things, that's pretty much possible lol
Odyssey imo is the beginning of a new era for Ubisoft, and if this is the beginning I can't wait for the rest.
Wow! I loved the video! You are amazing man!
Gonna be honest, I’m not a gamer in the proper sense of the word. I played Mario as a kid but only beat the gameboy version of super Mario land. never beat any other version. I played Tony hawk for a couple semesters in college. And I dabble here and there with my kids in Minecraft on Xbox one. Besides that, never really played much.
But I recently decided to get Xbox Gold on a whim and decided to try this game because I had heard about assassin’s creed by way of the sea shanties in black flag. I also like Ancient Greece, so I thought this sounded like fun. And man….it is incredible. I am about 20 hours in and going very very slowly on easy mode because I have no idea what I’m doing. But I am watching you tube clips and things like that so I can get the best experience. I so appreciate these videos about this world I had no idea about until just a couple weeks ago. Thanks so much for your dedication and great videos. Much appreciated.
Your dedication blows my mind away, thank you so much for these amazing critiques
If you ever encounter anyone deeming themselves “ *True Fans* ” ignore them. Allow yourself to enjoy what YOU enjoy.
I enjoyed this and Origins and I continue to be a massive fan of the series
I did notice that if you go back to the cave where you kill him later, even after the first time you meet Demos, Elpenor still has his head on his body.
I think you may have been looking a bit too far into the Cultist Ending, Luke. I don't think that was supposed to be anything extraordinarily deep or a message from Ubisoft itself. It was just a flash-forward of the consequences of Kassandra's (not Alexios, because canon) actions, which lead to the events of Origins and the rest of the series. It shows _every_ Assassin's Creed games' setting, not just games that this team had worked on. It was a 'this is what _will_ happen' sort of deal.
Basically, in destroying the Cult of Kosmos, she rid the world of one of two fundamental powers; Chaos. In doing so, she allowed it's opposite; Order, the chance to come in and take absolute hold in the form of the Persian-born Order of the Ancients. By eliminating the Cult, she inadvertently started the Assassin/Templar war, which has spilled far more blood and ended more lives than the Cult alone would have. While destroying the Cult may have been the right thing to do in the short term, making her a Hero of her time, her actions have the consequences of dooming the Earth to an eternity of bloodshed and war.
Once I beat Red Dead 2 I'm gonna continue Assasins Creed Odyssey.
Weird Flex But Oh Well
That's what i just did, I think a lot of people did this too, first we played Odyssey, then moved to Red Dead 2 when it released, but since red dead has no post launch support for the single player, and the majority of AC players don't care about the Online, we end up coming back to Odyssey eventually.
Playing Odyssey after RDR2 is... dunno what to say. It's not satisfying.
Especially when you learn to love the ultra-realism, combat and hunting in RDR2, and then you return to Odyssey where you have to mass-kill goats to upgrade weapons, you one-shot kill them and skin from the horse.
Combat is faster but much more nonsensical, you beat the crap out of some guy few levels above you and he doesn't even flinch. It's much more of a grind and a chore (funny considering how much i liked doing chores in camp in RDR2).
And of course, story and side quests are so dumb compared to what Rockstar had to offer in terms of narrative and characters.
Which is better witcher 3 or Odyssey?
@@rondaniels5089 I thought I was going to do that, but went back to AC after 4hrs of RDR2.
Golden Sperm
The answer is (imo) still W3...I dont know if Ubi can ever surpass W3 if they try to be it so desperately..
Odyssey is a junk food video game. It's an open world Ubisoft sandbox with all the Ubification and to-do checklist items that we've seen for the past several years. The story falls apart at the end like you said. It's a fine game. It's fun.
As far as it being an "RPG" goes, it's a bad example of the genre when held up to the likes of old and modern classics like The Witcher 3, Dragon Age Origins, Morrowind, Baulder's Gate, KOTOR, etc. The gear system is fine, it's whatever. I hate the leveling and level-scaling in the game. Level scaling never feels good. You go back to a beginning area and everything is as strong as you. They need to hammer out a better system for that. Leveling in general feels like a bad fit for the series. It's weird that a blade in the back somehow doesn't hurt X guy that much because his arbitrary numbers are higher than mine.
I think the jank and the pace are my biggest problems with it. Odyssey makes you completely worthless against enemies 3 levels above yours and a goddamn superhero against equal level enemies. It plays too fast for my tastes a lot of the time. Like they wanted to you hurry up and spend 80 hours in this game rather than just kick back and soak it in. All of the classic AC kill animations are jankyer than ever in this game. They skip a bunch of frames to keep the pacing sky high and it leads to lots of terrible animation bugs like executing a guy 2 feet to his left. I don't feel like the sacrifice for the pacing is worth it. I hate to bring Red Dead into this, but they could learn a thing or two by observing the pacing in that game. They don't need to ape it, but they should observe what proper pacing can accomplish and adjust accordingly. Odyssey just lacks polish. If it had more time in the cooker it could have been monumental. It needs polish on it's gameplay and to make it's content more meaningful.
I don't mean it to sound like I'm just hating hard on the game. It's a fine game and UBI is full of veterans that can solve these problems and make something truly great in the future. I just hope they don't see sales numbers and think "all is right with this" and instead learns from their problems and evolves the formula. It DOESN'T feel like an AC game, but with some adjustments it could. There is never any shame in adding more player choice in how they PLAY the game rather than just narrative choice.
Here is to hoping they listen to criticism and make adjustments to address that rather than cranking another out in a year for that fat dough. Fingers still crossed for a Shao Jun open world AC China. Looking forward to the gameplay critique.
Completely agree with you regarding leveling. I simply can't feel immersed in the game when something as arbitrary as leveling is included. It is such a shortcut regarding your characters development when you press a button and he magically learn said thing instead of having maybe a short side quest where you see him/her developing the skill. Double assassination? Failed to get the second guy, until your character learns it and it is ingrained in him/her. Started in Unity AFAIK and now its a part of the series.
I've played all pretty much all major AC games up til Origins. I don't think Ubisoft has had a clear direction in mind for the franchise to begin with and with the fanbase being so split up it does no good service to Ubisoft or the franchise. Modern day story was the foundation of the story for me, otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to go back and relive genetic memories. It simply falls apart without it.
Everything past AC3 you were just a mindless Abstergo employee, which I definitely think influences newer players' opinion. Imagine me telling someone who started at Black Flag that I want the modern day story back. In Black Flag it was so bland that it was seen as more of a obstacle.
I don't want to be cynical but...
To your last point. I think there is too much varied criticism for Ubisoft to turn in the direction you want. They released AC Chronicles China so I doubt there will be a China game anytime soon if ever. I am most likely not gonna play any of the newer releases including Odyssey but I'm hoping you will get your China game :)
Excellent video! Waiting for the next parts!
I’ve been really looking forward to this been watching since your origins critique
very good game that's hurt by the obvious inclusion of an over abundance of grindy side content. There are so many fetch quests that it literally makes it hard to figure out what yo do next. Bloated.
I remember being so excited than I heard that Odyssey would take place in Greece with Spartans and all that before realising that all this happened BEFORE Origins where you see the origin of the creed and I still feel kinda unattached to the game being an assassins creed game when there’s no creed yet - I haven’t played but for me it feels hard to look at it as an assassins creed game this way
Do you know that Bayek wasn't the only creator? In India a woman named Iltani created another brotherhood and she was the one that killed Alexander, and there was another sect in China previous to the one of Bayek.
The fact is that the idea of the assassins wasn't thought only by Bayek and there were also other people who created their organizations to secure freedom.
Darius also had another one who was Later destroyed. This probably happened to many previous societies that existed before
@@nikmede No one is arguing that there weren't precursors to the assassins, his statement was about Odyssey and how the game doesn't feel like an AC game.
@@brandenwalton2914 But he says that it doesn't feel like an AC because it was set before Origins
@@nikmede Well for one it barely has anything to do with the assassin/templar conflict, which is and should be a staple for an AC game. Second, this game can literally be ignored in terms of lore and whatever plans this franchise has for the future, which is none by the way. But regardless of all I've said, I interpreted it as this game barely having any resemblance to AC and the core pillars of the franchise and would work better as a game devoid of AC.
@@brandenwalton2914 Yup you're honestly right. It's doesn't feel like AC game, more like a RPG fantasy game. So If you go into it, with that mide set, (like i did) then it's enjoyable.
But if you can't get the whole them breaking the AC lore and how odyssey mess it all up stuff out of your head while playing, then it's not worth it. It's a fun game, but if you don't turn off you brain while playing it, than all the bad stuff that comes with it are alot more noticeable.
Been waiting for this one! Thanks 😁
I loved the Legacy dlc because the villains bring up how many people you killed and your character starts to question himself.
I kinda dont like it and has no excitement as Origins. I am a huge Assassins Creed Fan. So, do i need to go for Odyssey or can I skip this like Syndicate? Please suggest
"Huge Assassin's Creed Fan"
Virtually Hidden ugh... guess so. Loved the series. Played all of it. Just didnt really enjoyed Unity and Syndicate. Unity because of poor graphics problems and Syndicate because... you know why
@@03abhaydeshmukh37 Unity glitches was a 2014 problem. It's been 4 years and having played it recently, there are almost none and the ones that do appear are negligible. Unity's story was shit but the gameplay is the best the series has done with the parkour and combat coupled with a wide range of customization. Then Syndicate fixed Unity's problems for the most part so no 'I don't understand why'
Virtually Hidden I really expect more of Arno but I still have the game totally updated but it stills has problems. Anyways, Arno really changed the way we really look at AC series
odysessy is like real life thiere is never satisfaction
One part I found really intresting was what ending you got when, I got the atlantis one first, then the family one and lastly the cult one, and to me it felt really natural, so really interesting and subjective.
Your Channel and Videos have helped me so much in understanding video games like never before and I just wanna say thanks a million for that!
i can never imagine alexios being the bad guy
An awesome video you deserve every like and much more
Keep up the good work
I've been looking forward to this video
your multiple ending complaint sounds like a personal bias. when i played the game, i did everything as it was available. so i killed the cultist as they were revealed, killed the mythical beasts as i made it to their islands, and would only move on to the family missions once i couldnt find any more cultists.
doing it this way made the story seem very cohesive. especially if you follow it up with the dlc.
I'm a veteran so I play hardest difficulty💪🏽
Even hard is too simple.
Volumegod not rlly lol...try playing on nightmare when even an enemy just 1 level above you can kill you in 1 swing.
I like the game and all but it seems like their historical research was limited to the movie 300, they basically got everything wrong bar a few elements. Not that it needs to be 100% accurate, but it should at least take the spirit and feeling of the era into account, which they did not.
I'm late but another great vid. I love your reviews
I have no other word for this game but gorgeous. Drop-dead gorgeous, actually.
Everyone in the game is just drop dead
Especially Aspasia 😍
I love odyssey as an rpg, I love the setting, I love it as a game, but as an Assassins Creed game itself Iam not so much a fan. It dosent feel like AC enough for me personally. Also I think they went a little overboard with the loot and the levels and what not of them
This video accurately portrays my sentiment towards AC, thank you.
Excellent Luke; really enjoyable.
I really want to make sure..... Does the video contain any spoilers?
YES. If you are on the fence or have not finished it, go play first! I'll be spoiling all the endings!
Luke Stephens Thanks
@@LukeStephensTV I'll be back
I have to admire your commitment to giving this game a thorough discussion. I agree with the points you made and I personally do like the direction the series is taking. The gameplay has to evolve to suit the market and climate, and the stealth gameplay, in my opinion, was not ageing well. Your conclusion at the end was a little odd though. You stated that Pythagoras' monologue is overlaid with clips from Syndicate and Odyssey, the last games the team worked on. But the sequence uses scenes from all of the mainstream AC trailers, and includes Origins. I'm not sure what conclusion you were leading up to in terms of a possible real-world shift in Ubisoft's design philosophy from this sequence.
22:37 This entire cutscene is absolutely brilliant. Dialogue, story, acting, humor, all of it!
Love how you nailed the whole "It's not a real AC game" debacle. I agree with you 100%. Been playing through AC3R and the combat, despite being the most fun and a spectacle, you could 2 button press your way through 2 dozen men easily. Sure you can do the same in ACO but it just feels more tedious. Is that a fautl on the combat of Odyssey? Probably; but, it also helps to reinforce that I would rather stealth my way through in spongy enemies in ACO than calmly try and trot through in AC3 unless forced to.
Yeah it feels great at first, and it's more style over substance. But when it gets to a point where I can literally get like 20 guards on me in Havana & kill them all by just spamming two buttons, yeah...
I never liked the other AC games. I absolutely love this one. (87 hrs so far)
I can't wait for the next game.
I LOVED this game and was baffled that other fans of the series couldn’t see how amazing it was! Great video.
It is a good game. But it violates tons of rules of the world/lore setup by the original assassin's creed creators.
imagine alexio/kassanda has been behind all future assassins' achievments just because of the staff
So excited for this. You have such a masterful way of collecting your thoughts, experiences and popular opinion and crafting such a beautiful package. ACES!!!!! This game has gobbled up so many hours of my time. And this NEVER happens for me... yeah, i am a very particular gamer/ art enjoyer... So play only what catches my eye, which can be anything at anytime.... making my choices dangerous But for what its worth, your critiques are as important to my game choices as are (almost) the games themselves. You did a great job Luke. CANT WAIT FOR WHATS TO COME. Such a meaty morsel this one. I new it would be. Didnt disappoint dude.
EDIT: so much for the short form critique, eh? Stoked!! You did good in my book.
To be honest, The moment I saw Deimos, I knew that I should've chosen Kassandra.
Todoroki Touya Same
The moment I heard him is when I realized I really fucked up. But bayek was so fucking awesome, I was hoping for someone like him
19:07 oh hey Jake Gyllenhaal cameo
OK, so the narrative or story of the game looks intriguing, but what about gameplay, most specifically, combat? Is it mostly mindless button mashing or are there actually combinations in fighting, is there parrying and executions in the combat gameplay?
Brilliant video as always.
Only luke could get me to watch an hour long critique of a game that I know I'm not gonna buy anyways
What?? Nah man origins was way better in my opinion. The story was more appealing, the character was brilliant
The game play was amazing with the shield and bow was more defined for me
I started on origins and I fell in love with it, I was so hyped for oddysey. But then I was so disappointed
100% Agreed 👍dude. I loved origins, as well.
@@killertheranger8183 I guess some people don't review things properly aha
@@danielprosser6076 Haha ya so true, though I'm still glad "Luke Stephens" likes Odyssey. Everybody has there favorite. Though it's definitely not the best AC game. Lol
Thanks for this kind of videos.
Thank you for giving this game a fair review and an unbiased point of view you my friend have earned a subscriber
I thought Alexios's Voice Actor did a better job than Kassandra.
Wait what? Odyssey is one of the best modern AC games? ...... The only game that i put below AC Odyssey is AC1, i found it very boring, but all other AC games? I even prefered Rogue and Syndicate to Odyssey, Origins was amazing, but Odyssey makes no sense to me, having pretty graphics and a giant map means nothing to me if the narrative is just stupid, for me its one of the worst AC games.
I enjoy this new game design, but they need to make it AC first, and everything else afterwards. Origins was awsome to me, because it made sense. They wanted to go back to the begining of the "Brotherhood", when the first iteration of Assassin's appeared, and it made sense that we were not stealth, because the reason why we are stealth in all other games, is because we are on a time where the brotherhood existed for a lot of years, thousands of years i think, and the brotherhood morphed into the stealth Assassin's that they we know.
In Origins, it makes sense that we are not stealth, we are not Assassin's, we are a Medjay, who wants revenge for his son, and in the end we see the begining of what would come to be the Assassin's we know.
For me, it made sense, the modern day was non-existent, but the narrative in game was actually ok.
Afterwards, i expected to play as Aya actually, because not only do we know her from the AC2 time, we knew very well who she was, but it was an opportunity for Ubisoft to actually have a female protagonist and try to apease the SJW who complain that AC doesn't have a real female protagonist. And i would like it, to see her in Rome, maybe have another Bayek appearance, it made sense, and then the other games would go frfom there, we already saw the begining of the Assassin's, the "Hidden Ones", now lets see how it became the Assassin's we know today. It would be amazing.
Instead they decided to go even further back in time.... And make Odyssey? It has nothing to do with AC canon lore, it's just stupid, i hated it, the only "connection" we have with real lore is what? THe Darius DLC? Of the "First Hidden Blade"? And what? The simulation of the Ones Who Came Beffore in Atlantis? Its just ridiculous.
I love your videos Luke, but AC Odyssey is one of the worst AC games to exist. Period.
If we call it "The Eagle Bearer Mistios" or wtv the hell they call mercenary, instead of AC.... I would say yes, it's one of the best games made recently, graphics are amazing, the number of habilities is insane, huge gorgeous world, a lot of side missions to explore, it's very ffun, but as an AC, for, it's a plothole, i simply ignore it. Every time i talk about AC Lore i straight up ignore Odyssey, because it just makes no sense.
7/10 Game
1/10 AC Game.
It's awful. I took me two years to play the campaign lol. I only beat it now to play origins then Valhalla like it should've been
great points. I'd like to point out that in the first dlc how good of a man the main character is is actually dealt with well
Is there a similar one for outerworlds I would like to see what he says about that game
@Luke Stephens: I see your point in the end. And moving away from the game itself and seeing the company behind it I couldn't more disagree with the changes. Don't get me wrong, I admire changes and I am open for them. Heck, I play League of Legends and this shit is getting changed every month. Jokes aside: I personally disagree with the way Ubisoft handling the brand due to the inconsistency. I don't know if you know the book "Faust" by Goethe but in its beginning there is a conversation of different producers discussing whether it is better to offer the audience a specialized piece of art or a mix of different "goodies". Ubisoft is clearly heading towards the mix and I personally disagree with this but that is not my major problem. The problem for me personally is the assumption that the player is simply brain-dead and accepting every single thing they want. There is no redline while spitting on the past games.
E.g. I would love AC to have it's dialogue options and consequences. But why do they have to keep the animus inside the story? Btw I love the scientific idea behind the animus.
But this game would have been fantastic if it was produced as a spin-off title. Maybe a new brand like "Assassin's Creed Immersed - Odyssey". Then they had to skip Layla in this title and give her more time and better development as a character in a future title of the "main" series.
To sum it all up, one can really enjoy this game and I admire some work of the dev-team behind it. Either way I am unable to enjoy this piece of art while it is torn apart in itself. Releasing a game like this compares to giving birth to a new artwork containing pieces connected using sticking plasters and wanting people to like it. Ofc those parts seem interesting but I will never be able to watch this piece of art without asking myself if they are serious or thinking to themselves "Don't worry our audience is so dumb, they won't recognize the sticking plasters".
If a game is an RPG it has to be immersive because only in this way they can deliver its purpose. How should I be able to play a role if my whole world is always changing and unpredictable. It is way too hard for me personally to get lost in this world and I somehow don't understand but slightly respect people who can shutdown this "serious" part of their brains(no offense).
I am sorry if there are any spelling mistakes. I wanted to see this video before going to bed and just wanted to share my thoughts on it, because I played AC since AC1.
I personally was very immersed and couldn't stop thinking about the world idk why
Really well articulated.
Finally a real unbiased critique by someone who knows how to do them right, unlike some "real" fans like Lazerzz or Tynamite who show clear amounts of bias simply because Odyssey is not a Bayek sequel made by Ashraf's team. Your critiques are on a league of its own.
Same they also did comparison between Odyssey and Origins and instead of praising some of the stuff Odyssey Did better (like combat system or side missions) they dismissed those by saying that they were unchanged
@@nikmede What's so different about the combat between Odyssey or Origins? They are the same with slight differences that doesn't exactly make it's combat better than Origins. Regarding the side missions, I would say that it's structured better and with more distracting content that can be ignored if you so pleased.
Yeah they are so toxic with an unhealthy obsession with a poor to average character Bayek. But hey their opinion.
@@brandenwalton2914 abilities really changes the game and it's almost like of you have 12+ new moves to use instead of just light and heavy attack. I found myself using the bow way more and easily in Odyssey than in Origins and that allowed me to have an even more variuos combat.
Also, in Origins you were basically a God in the end since the abilities pumped every your stats. In Odyssey you have to carefully choose armour and weapon and you can't maximes every stat. This makes the game more challeging even after the end
@@nikmede Lmao I used the living shit out of the bow in Origins since I played on deathmatch from minute 1, so dunno what you smoking.
So when will the next videos come out.
This game is a prime example of something that I rather admire than love...
For me this game is just simply amazing
This is definitely the right direction for the series
Best game in the series in my opinion
SUPER SAIYAN GOD HARAMBE the almighty gaming king well citizen Kane is shit, and you’re a herd follower, so we can disregard your bad opinion
How is retelling the whole plot of the game narrative critique?
It is Luke's specialty, during his critiques he spends more time retelling the story in order to pad the run-time.
@@titanicww2345 There's barely anything but the padding, after every 10-15 minutes of retelling there is a sentence or 2 of analysis
How can you compare this game to RDR2?
Do you guys think that it’ll be on sale during Christmas or not on steam? I really want to buy it but I don’t feel like spending 60$ on it. But if they don’t put it on sale I’ll buy it now and not wait. Guess I’ll just have to wait and see
You missed some times to buy already, it was 30$ on black Friday and 40$ on the VGA sale.
In my opinion this is the most overrated AC game to date. It's difficult to take it seriously when the combat is so much science fiction based and unrealistic. Feels more like Star Wars, not AC.
@Octavio Marín I haven't mentioned the combat system in AC2.
But now when you do... It wasn't perfect for sure. Same as you I didn't like that the guards attacked one by one. But at least they didn't glide around like they were wearing rollerblades, made dodges in nano speed, have sword traces as they were fighting with laserswords or pushed you backwards by swinging a spear from right to left through your body.