Historical Realism Review: Assassin's Creed Odyssey
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Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a fun game, but how does it hold up in the historical department? The answer is "very good". Like, damn yo.
This video is based on ~40 hours of play time, which took me to the end of chapter 5 and level 30 of 50. if I encounter anything in the later game that affects my analysis in the video, I'll put up a card in the video itself, and I'll pin a comment with a larger explanation.
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You can't say no to Ian McKellen narrating the Odyssey. You just can't, people.
-B
wish their was some Thespiae/Theban soldiers in Thermopylae Thespiae in particular Demophilius is a fucking bro to Leonidas on the third day.
You mentioned you'd link your streams squeeing over the game in real time in your descriptions :(
No Diogenes? No play!
Which assassin’s creed are you going to do next?
So when are we gonna get more videos concerning the Medieval era? All you covered is the Crusades and Venice so far.
I wanna know about histories of the Kingdoms of England, France, the Holy Roman Empire, The Papal States, the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon that formed Spain.
Do videos on Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, William the Conquerer, Otto I, Richard the Lionheart, The Hundred Years War, the War of the Roses, The Reconquista?
When you dock in Sparta for the first time, Alexios/Kassandra says: "The Spartans can build all the ships they want, but Poseidon will never favor them as he does the Athenians."
Actually Poseidon was Athena's rival so that's historically inaccurate.
@@bloodybastard8247 It's referring to the fact that the Athenians had a massive navy while the Spartans were never able to match them
@@bloodybastard8247 no, its accurate actually, he meant that athens has a way better navy, which is historically accurate
@@bloodybastard8247
That was not litteral.
And historicaly innacurate.
We are talking about god here so yes.
What this sentence Say is
Spartan can built as many boat as they want
They still suck with them.
Poseidon forgave athens eventually
I'm happy that Greece got a game over Rome, because as much as I love both I always felt like Greece has been kinda underrepresented in games except for perhaps Civilization
And in origins for 1
misstion lol
King Swirl 👑 Italy*, I didn’t see any Legionnaires or anything in Brotherhood
Only thing I really want from Rome was to climb that massive coliseum.
@King Swirl 👑 Not really imo... There are probably many roman periods that would make a very interesting game. With the all new massive scale Origins and Odyssey have brought to the exploration and how much better and larger Ubisoft's world designs are getting, a properly written AC game set in an interesting Roman period will make Renaissance Rome from brotherhood seem puny in comparison (no, I'm not dissing Ezio).
especially since rome stole so much culture from greece :D
That "feel like Spider-Man" gag caught me so off guard
The warship explosive like their are full of gun powder just form arrow and ramming caught me of guard
Damn it wrong game!
Ikr
😂😂😂
Alexmarr7224 Alexios: I should be gentle here.
"Spartans couldn't navigate a bathtub without drowning"
I damn near spit out my drink at this line
Funny since it's not true at all. They indeed had a navy.
A minor detail I love is they use k instead of c in names like actual ancient greek not anglicized
Sokrates, Alkibiades, Kassandra...
Dont you mean anglikized~?
... that was a terrible joke
Vicodyn no thats just their alphabet looking different than the English alphabet.
@Vicodyn they did pronounce Bs like Vs, for example Barbabas becomes Varnavas, and Boeotia becomes Voeotia
@@_ratsoup1348 No, they didn't. Ancient Greeks pronounced Bs as Bs. That's why the greek loan words in Latin and via Latin in the Romance languages have words like "Barbarian", etc. Only later in Middle Greek and modern Greek the pronunciation shifted to V. As the eastern Slavic languages came into contact with middle Greek first thus having words pronounced like "Varvari"(Barbarians) and "Vasil" (Basil).
“I’m sure the Spartans will give up eventually”
-A stupid Athenian
"I am sure the Athenians with their naval superiority and colonies to support them, will be starved out any day now"
- A stupid Spartan.
"I'm sure Alexander will fall in battle any day now"
- A stupid Persian
Another Peloponnesian War in comment section
"I'm sure that the Athenians will arrive soon! Any month now... Right guys?... Guys?"
-A Theban
"Oh, sure they will. Most definitely, the Spartans will just up and leave for their next feast of Apollo Karneios, maláka."
I hope the next game is either Iron Age Celtic Britain or Medieval Scotland. It would make sense that the assassins would use Scotland as a hiding place for the powerful artifact macguffin, and it would be really cool to see.
EDIT: After seeing how they portrayed the Celts in Assassin's Creed Valhalla, I've changed my mind: I want them to stay away from anything Celtic for the rest of their lives unless it's as one big apology for what they did with the Celts in Valhalla!
You sir made a great suggestion I would let them take all my money if they did that.
I think that feudal Japan can also work, considering the theme of order vs freedom that is very present in these games.
Obviously they hid the macguffin under Stonehenge, and the druids were just the predecessors of the Hashashins.
Those sickles were clearly not for cutting plants.
I'll bet 100 dollars they'll do none of those. Because Ubisoft have pretty much been exclusively whoring out the most fan requested settings since Unity, because they don't have a creative direction for this franchise anymore. The days of seeing a unique, obscure setting like 12th Century Jerusalem, 16th Century Constantinople or 18th Century Boston because the developers actually wanted to legitimately tell that story and do something fresh are over. Now they're just putting checkmarks on the list of overused fan requested setting because a comitee calculated it will probably sell more.
Also I think Iron Age Britain would be really bad for an Assassin's Creed game as there's almost no documented history, almost no major cities and pretty sparse landmarks, it would be pretty boring if you ask me.
@marvelfannumber1 There are quite a few cities and landmarks that they could explore. If it was early in the Roman Occupation of Britain for example, they could have Londinium, Hadrian's Wall, Maiden Castle (a very large Iron Age Hill Fort), etc.
Well, Corinth (a Spartan Ally) had a fleet. (the Athenians still sailed rings aroung them).
Really should have had a shield...as a Spartan warrior. A Phalanx feature would have been awesome too
If you play the game only as a spartan warrior laying siege to Athens, it wouldn't be that odyssey feel.
But neither Kassandra or Alexios were Spartan warriors. They were _born_ in Sparta, sure. But both were cast out before their training could really begin.
MrHerecomesjohnny concurred.
@@MrHerecomesjohnny A Spartan warrior having a shield does not equal sitting about laying siege to Athens, it simply means more historical accuracy and less battle royale for normies BS. If they had time to put in nonsense like unicorn phobos and the lot, they could have added proper features that Origins already had to begin with.
@@SoftExo you want more realism by.....making him parkour with a spartan shield?
When I woke up in the real world I was like “What in the holiest of hells are they talking about? Dafuq is an Abstergo? Why am I wearing a PSVR headset? I wanna go back to Kassandra!”
They should all the out-of-animus missions optional. I hate them all
@@masterspark9880 the OG Ac fans would hate yall
Eff u - sincerely, a AC original player
@@nbkarki I’ve played the og games as well. I’ve always hated the missions that force you to leave the animus
@Lel E The modern part may be the main storyline but to me it’s nowhere near as interesting or fun as the historical part. It feels like a chore
I absolutely love this game. Obviously the combat isn’t very historically accurate among other things, but the world, and sailing the Aegean sea.. just blows me away. They’ve done such a great job with this game.
I've played it various times at a friends house and I must say I am was in awe with it. Even though I don't like the AC series. But i~d consider buying this game just for the landscape and cities. I mean this is exactly how I imagined greece. A beautiful country rich of culture.
I kinda wish we would build our cities like that, at least with some nice beautiful touch.
@@LeprutzI’m not crazy about the AC games either.
But I play odyssey at least once a year just to jump into Ancient Greece.
Absolutely phenomenal
Blue: hooray authentic Greek pronounciation
Also Blue: Al Chee Bi Ah Dees
"I haven't reached the late game yet."
*me after roughly 300-400 hours of side quests.*
One: I nearly scream like a teenager when meet Herodotus for first time.
Two: Wait, there's another goat?
[3:40] "They couldn't navigate a bathtub without drowning." I peed myself a little when I heard this. Kudos, filos!
I lost my shit I laughed like I was joker
I was so pumped to equip a spartan uniform, Javelin, and Shield.
:(
Me to. Almost became unplayable for me when I couldn't use a shield as a spartan.
@@brandoncliff5653 you guys bought a game without seeing any trailer about what it was? Why did you just assume the main character was going to be a spartan soldier?
@@MrHerecomesjohnny because he's a Spartan and doesn't use a fucking shield which ruins alot of the immersion, as was already brought up in the vid the Spartans aren't even historically accurate, they don't use any formations and just bum rush all of greece and there's no explanation for the navy, we're just supposed to accept a kingdom who has no walls has a bloody navy? That's not accurate in the least and would've offered better and more intricate gameplay
Yourrrrr nottttt sparta!!!!!!! *spartan kicks*
I saw another nice detail in your first meeting with Hippokrates. He's attempting to treat a patient and describing symptoms which lined up with late stages of Rabies. Of course, there's nothing to do for the poor man, but Hippokrates doesn't know that and still wants to find a cure.
The "spartan" kick is an extremely viable fighting technique, I've won 2 fights that I've used it in. It's also great for making distance between you and your opponent.
>game set in greece
>can't use a shield
0/10
>Not a single hoplite phalanx
>Sparta has a navy
-10/10 IGN
Apparently the reason is "Yes, Spartans did use shields, but our Hero is a mercenary, not a Spartan soldier. Our gameplay is much more versatile than that of Origins and a shield was not suited to it, so we replaced shields with dodging, rolling and parrying mechanics. The parry mechanics gives a bit more of feel of old school AC Fight of counter attack, while still retaining fight mechanics of Origins. I can't speak for the future of the franchise for social stealth and parkour." Not sure how the option of using a shield isn't more versatility in addition to the dodging, rolling and parrying mechanics. Strange to see how much they want to cling to the parry and counter combo which, AFAIK, has been a largely unliked part of the last few AC games. Switch it up a bit, add some blocking. AC's combat system isn't bad, but it really feels like they've just settled. Some people didn't like shields in Origins so they decided to do away with them in a setting where they were a core element of warfare?
To be fair, hoplons were intended to be used in a formation. It would probably be too unwieldy for single combat.
there is actually a shield in game that you get as a quest reward. you can't use it though.
Wee Jock Poopong MacPlop the reason is in your off hand you have a artefact of Eden which lets you do the slow time and shit
Regarding Kassandra, does the game treat her like it's a common thing? I'm fine with a female warrior in ancient Greece no matter how unusual it is, my only problem would be if the game doesn't even bother mentioning how unusual it was.
In my opinion the story would be pretty compelling if it showed the struggles of women back then and yet still have Kassandra kick ass when overcoming those struggles.
I imagine not as then they'd weak with political fallback media wise
Love this. Also, I'm confused as to all the women in the spartan and athenian armies too. I know this is weird to hear, but as a guy, I don't feel very comfortable knifing and murdering women. I know that I should treat them the same, but when you've been raised to respect and care for women, it's STILL not comfortable to knife them even if they're bandits.
@@j.brandonpaine6365
There shouldn't even be any of them!! No, sane woman would join an army where defeat and capture would more than likely lead to a horrible experience.
@@j.brandonpaine6365 I ended the game, there was not a single woman in athenian or spartan armies, there were women in bandits camps, and cults that followed Artemis. Which is actually accurate to the period. In general banditry and piracy was a beacon for women who wanted to scape the oppresive domestic lifestile. Usually they were more contacts than attackers, but they could probably defend themselves if the need arose.
To be honest I preferred how Syndicate dealt with it. You could play as Jacob or Evie (or both from mission to mission) which allowed them to be separate characters with separate combat styles and personality. In the plot of Odyssey it would not have worked, unfortunately. So sticking with Kassandra (since she's from the novel) would probably have made for a much more engaging game. Because I agree, dealing with the difference in how Sparta and Athen treat women would have been interesting, especially with how she wouldn't have felt loyal to Sparta at first due to her background. Makes for a more compelling story, really.
This is the first video I've seen on your channel, and I wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Your delivery, wise cracks and scripting are greatly done, and I appreciated your very apparent passion for the subject of ancient Greece, because I also love it. Definitely gonna watch more.
I mean, Alcibiedes wasn't exactly super chiseled Henry Cavil, but I've got to say the more androgynous look does it for me.
Gave me that Griffith vibe or ElF
all history says of alcibiades really is that he was extremely handsome, attactive and sly with words. something that he actively made use of in order to get into everyone's face. rumor had it that when he finally decided to betray Sparta as well, he left them a little present, inside the belly of their queen no less.
AlphaXTitania Henry cavil is fucking hot ahahaha
yeah exactly like you say; the femboyish appearance did make him appealing and made me almost sleep with him hehe ;-)
my girlfriend wanted to bone him bad, and she's bi that actually prefers women as far as attraction goes so it definitely appeals to a certain set of people
13:00 I feel like this ties into one of the few real missed opportunities in the game, namely how under-utilized the recruitment system feels. At the end of the day, only four of those people you recruit actually matter and they only matter during boarding actions. The concept of the Conquest Battles seems like its just BEGGING for the option of bringing a team of your own recruits into battle with you. The concept of building your own badass band of mercenaries seems a lot more in keeping with how mercenaries worked in Ancient Greece.
I would have loved to recruit people just to fight with me but i got my tamed animal so im good
That wpuld have been funny as shit when you consider the erm... "Non-canon" recruits, like Odysseus and Charon the Ferryman. Imagine being trapped in pitch combat with the Spartan army, and seeing the literal actual incarnation of Hade's boatman strolling up looking to gut you.
If ubisoft wasn't so fucking terrible to their modding community (or as a company in general) I could totally see someone putting in a M&B style fighting/recruiting system. That would be freaking amazing if done right!
The one thing (and it’s a very small detail) that made me go “huh ?” while playing the game is that when Kassandra/Alexios discovers Atlantis, they get excited because they “thought it was just a myth”
The first recorded mention of Atlantis was done by Plato whom you actually meet as a child in this game. Kassandra/Alexios shouldn’t know what it is at all, and the fact that they mention how they thought it was just a myth means it has to be an old legend that even the Ancient Greeks didn’t believe in anymore
Like I said, it’s a very small thing, but I remember squinting really hard at the screen in doubt when I saw this happening
ok late reply, but there is way to fudge this:
Plato's mention of Atlantis is the first recorded mention of it (and, yeah, he probably made it up himself), but within the context of Plato's works the events take place thousands of years in the past from his perspective, and he frames it as a retelling passed down to him. So yeah, an actual living real life person wouldn't, realistically, hear about Atlantis at that point, but within the alternate fictional reality, they might, and the game takes place in a kinda-sorta fictional world based on myth and ancient Greek fiction rather than the real one, so like... Maybe it's not that weird that they heard of Atlantis if the tale of Atlantis is supposedly an old myth within that fictional framework?
I had no interest in this game until this video.
10/10 Ubisoft get Blue on your advertising team to sell the AC series.
we would have hated it BECAUSE he got paid by ubi, if that happened.
Eh, i think he just overhyped that there's actually a game that care about ancient greek for once
Damnit, when will Ubisoft borrow a page from Mount & Blade's book? Mount & Blade does formation combat extremely well. It does combat in general extremely well, in fact.
Completely different genres of games
Its......not
Need effort and mods to do it, and it still clunky as heck sometimes. Heck, we also mostly play as miniatures on maps rather than proper tps person.
Making it at the scale of Odyssey is...... just heck.
Play it on 200 % resolution all high settings ac odyssey is a blessing.
Yeah, maybe in 2050, I'll do that, cuz the current best hardware can't even run it at 60 fps on 2k :(
UNISTAR lol no maybe 2100
That Sparta burn is sick af as someone very much into the history of ancient Greek...I adored it.
Also worth to mention on the gameplay part why a female version is acceptable, and why can you do Spartan kicks and other over the top things is because the character you play is basically a demigod.
I like also that they keep the sea levels of the time relatively accurate. Today there is no way you can reach Mycenae by ship (for instance), or other ancient sites that had that access when sea levels were as high as this game portrays.
I got the game because I’m taking a Greek history course as a university elective (on Greek society). Although the course covers a large history of ancient Greece, the game is seriously helping and there is so much consistency between the game and the course I’m taking. Almost everything is identical. It’s helping me drop 90s in this course. Way better than simply writing things on cue cards.
Hey blue is there a way to send you letters and packages?
I felt like ubisoft quebec took a lot more liberties in terms of historical realism with Odyssey compared to ubisoft montreal's Origins, especially with some of the smaller and somewhat larger details.
*SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT*
One mentioned in the video, was that it's not unrealistic for woman to be warriors, or the idea of it, at that time and I pretty much agree with that but wouldn't kassandra be treated differently from alexios? Her interactions with the people of athens would be incredibly different from how she would be treated in sparta from my understanding.
Another detail is technically a spoiler that's revealed further in the game that the main protagonist is the grandson/daughter of leonidas and that his/her mother is the daughter of leonidas, even though leonidas had a son named Pleistarchus who was a king of sparta?
For anyone reading this I took out a paragraph that I wrote about Pausanias of Sparta since I got clarification on it.
The first is probably just because Origins didn't have a female lead, and so didn't have to deal with that problem.
And it would require so many resources for so little gain, that they likely just decided it wasn't worth it and made every conversation unisex.
I mean, if you're willing to create blatant historical fiction like a Spartan navy, then ignoring the different gender policies to get massive cost-savings seems like a no-brainer.
Hadn't heard about the "Spartan prince(ss)" but it seems like an unnecessary plothole. Did they at least go for the classic "dad got a bad prophecy and left them for dead, got found and raised by random wolves/childless goat herders/heirless king" spiel? At least then they have the plausible deniability of a coverup (honest guv'nor!).
@@Healermain15 Yeah, I assumed that the reason the dialogue for both of the protagonist was unisex was just to save money but it's still pretty dumb to not give us an authentic depiction of the social conditions of ancient Greece.
The spartan navy issue is more like historical fantasy or alternate history if you ask me.
I don't think it was because of cost saving. If you finally get to play as a badass woman but basically have to choose Sparta if you don't want to constantly have sexism thrown at you would be boring. It would make the game less fun when playing as a woman if all the Athenians will be shitty towards you. Women already get that enough irl so it wouldn't be fun to see in a videogame.
It's like the issue with the fleets: they made the game less accurate to make it more fun to play.
My only issue with this game is that it never felt like an AC game. Origins went over how the Assassins started, so what’s their part in it.
Also, the developer stated that they didn’t want to change Kassandra or Alexio’s character because it might people upset. Um... why? Adawale, Connor, Evie, and Adaline all had to deal with the racism and sexism of their times and proved those people wrong. That’s why we liked them. Kassandra would have to deal with being a woman in Ancient Greece while Alexio would have to deal with the after affects of spartan training. That would have been more interesting then a bi-bot running around.
I think you've misunderstood what an AC game IS, my friend.😉 If you think it has to be about an assassin, you'd be wrong. The Assassin's Creed is a creed to fight oppression and control of the people, to keep the freedom of people. And in order to do that, they 'collaborate' (I have no better word for it) with the Isu through time and space, using their technology throughout the ages. It's not 'just' about running around assassinating people. That's just the majority of the gameplay.
+Michael Berthelsen
Ok, so if you think he misunderstands what an AC game is, then how about we ask the actual developers of AC1-Brotherhood what an AC game is. The following is from the Assassin's Creed Bible, a design document created around the time of AC2:
1. Assassin's Creed will always tell the story of the secret war between Assassins and Templars - Odyssey has neither Assassins nor Templars. Or even their predecessors like Origins did.
2. Being an assassin doesn't make the main character a ruthless killer. He kills, but he has principles and never murders innocents. He avoids collateral damage as much as possible - The main character is not an Assassin and the focus on "choice" means that you can break this commandment at will.
3. The war between Assassins and Templars *is the foundation of our Franchise story in the past and present* - Neither the historical story or the moderrn day story in Odyssey features anything relevant on the war between the Assassins and Templars. This commandment also blatantly contradicts your comment.
4. The Assassin should always be agile, socially skilled, unbeatable with a blade, and a stylish bad-ass - While the protagonist is Odyssey is not an Assassin, most of this checks out. Although you are not unmatched with a blade due to the levelling system.
5. Pivotal moments in Human History are the basis of our Franchise. Asssassin's Creed will always take a revisionist approach on real events. We'll use historical gaps to create our story - This one checks out
6. History should always be portrayed as relevant to our core audience, with facts that tie in to present day common knowledge and edgy modern Art Direction - This also checks out for the most part
7. Assassin's Creed is based on Technology - *Nothing is Magical, Everything has a plausible technological explanation* - Odyssey completely goes in the face of this by having magical creatures like Medusa and Sphinxes exist in the world with an extremely weak explanation. Aswell as being able to change the past, which also has no real explanation.
8. Assassin's Creed is about digging in a character's past through their DNA in order to understand what really happened in key historical moments - The fact that you not only choose your character, but what they do flies in the face of this.
9. Since the player relives the deeds of his kin through his DNA, the I.P. cannot be set in the future. DNA of unborn people does not exist - This is thankfully not the case....yet.
10. Assassin's Creed can bend Historical accuracy but cannot create an Uchronia - Well if there's one thing Odyssey does, it's creating a Unchronia.
So in conclusion that's what.....3 of the 10 commandments of the Assassin's Creed Bible that Odyssey blatantly contradicts? Odyssey is not an Assassin's Creed game, anyone who says it is doesn't know what Assassin's Creed actually is supposed to be.
@@marvelfannumber1 You really do live up to your username of 'douchyfanboynumber1', don't you? Do you really expect that a franchise with as many games as AC has should keep the same design document from about 10 years ago? And you'd expect that despite huge developments in audience desires, gameplay mechanic possibilities, graphics capabilities, etc. that AC2 wouldn't feel stale by modern standards. NO document remains the same for long periods of time. Even constitutions are amended to fit modern times. Things change as times and society changes. If you can't accept that things evolve, I feel sorry for you.
And by the way, if you've played the game, you either didn't pay attention to the current content in Odyssey, or you haven't reached it yet. They're literally discussing why they're doing this to stop Astergo, the modern Templars.
marvelfannumber1 your entire argument is based around guidelines from 8 years ago. For a game series that is always adapting, innovating and changing with each new installment. So of course most of those guidelines are not met because they are outdated. Also I hate to break it to you but if they are made by the same company and have the same title then they are in the same Series and therefore is an assassins creed game.
+Michael Berthelsen
Tell me then, how much have acclaimed video game franchises like Mario, like Zelda, like GTA changed during their *decades* of existence? I am not talking about changes in specific gameplay mechanics or dimensions. I am talking about the core of their philosophy, their feel, their tone. The answer is not much.
Sure they innovate, they change things up, but they still stick true to what people loved about the original games. Mario is still about platforming, and is still about saving Peach from Bowser. It might be in 3D now, it might have a bunch of new mechanics, but it sticks true to what it was.
What Assassin's Creed does is the creatively bankrupt version of this. What Assassin's Creed does is what the Sonic franchise has been doing and failing for the past 10 years.
Instead of setting new industry trends by remaining true to what people loved, and making it refreshing, they instead *chase* industry trends. Assassin's Creed is about reliving the past, not about creating it. But since RPGs are hot shit right now, Ubisoft have decided to add choice. They did this not for any creative reason, but because it is trendy right now. Assassin's Creed is not innovating, Assassin's Creed is catching up to other, better games.
Just as how the people who make the Sonic games noticed in 2007 that God of War and Devil May Cry were popular and decided to make one of their games have lengthy beat 'em up segments, despite that having nothing to do with what people liked about Sonic.
There's a difference between sincere innovation and creativity and whoring out in order to chase industry trends. Successful, classic video game franchises do the former, failed ones like Assassin's Creed do the latter.
" if you've played the game, you either didn't pay attention to the current content in Odyssey, or you haven't reached it yet. They're literally discussing why they're doing this to stop Astergo, the modern Templars."
That's what they want you to think, yes. They handwave the "we're doing this to stup duh templurs lul" schtick twice in the entire main story. But this is never elaborated on in the slightest. You never see the Templars in the game and their existence is clearly there just for the sake of it, rather than for an actual creative reason.
Ubisoft don't care about Assassin's Creed as a story anymore, they care about it as a money making platform. The longer it takes for you to realize this, the longer Ubisoft will make shitty, gimmicky games with the Assassin's Creed name slapped on it for marketing. The people who made the good Assassin's Creed games are long gone, they have no story to tell.
This game was probably one of the biggest reasons I started learning Greek 😅 What a beautiful game, and I'm in awe of how much effort and respect has been put into this game. Since then, I've learnt so much and there is still SO much to learn about Ancient Greece. TIme to check out your streams :)
Blue: «you can see the whole of greece represented here»
Ionians: am I a joke to you?
The historical details of everything besides warfare is absolutely impressive. However, the game really need better writing for the conversations. Many times the conversation doesn't flow well especially when you chose to ask the optional questions.
Also, there is a huge difference in quality between different side quests and even main quests. Most of the side quests are down right forgettable. There are some side quests that I know from the beginning is there to show case some greek regional characteristics but really doesn't do anything else than that. Even for the mythical creatures, the Minotaur missions felt really interesting with well written characters and interesting choices. But then the Cyclops missions felt boring except the moment when a certain someone was smashed.
I know there is a large amount of effort going into the historical details but the lack of well written side characters was disappointing especially after I have played The Witcher 3. But overall the main story is still quite enjoyable with all the good historical characters. I shouldn't expect that much from them since they already did a very good job.
"The historical details of everything besides warfare is absolutely impressive." it would be if it had no black people or literely arab looking people instead of greeks like all non important spartans look brown every single spartan soldier is brown and there are sub saharan blacks as pirate captain and prostitute and so on which makes no sense whatsoever since ancient greece was racist asf and white only
Hey now, dont judge a game after playing witcher 3. It's a little unfair haha
I beg to differ, many sidequests in AC games are either hilarious or novel. In AC Odyssey, you spend 5 minutes talking a woman out of suicide because she too lost her spouse. It's an emphatic moment that doesn't appear in most games' fetch quests. Same for Witcher 3's tiny moments where you help orphans or whatever. Also, Witcher 3 had its fair share of one-sided, bland characters. Especially villains.
*Origins
Emperor Chaos where on earth did you read that Ancient Greece was racist? Are you aware of how close Greece is to Egypt?
Don't forget to mention Barnabas's questionable use of the word "Epic", on the continent where the word originated.
Oh... And the fact that Leonidas ditches his hoplon shield in the SECOND ATTACK in the first cutscene of the game. Why? Why would you ditch the means to execute 95% of all the tactics that Spartans used in combat via Phalanx... When he did that, my jaw hit the floor lmao!
He had magic spear, he did not need anything else *spartan ship appears *
Oh man...Ancient Greece. If it wasnt so brutal I'd love to go back in time there
yeah the no shield thing and the mystery of the missing phalanx kinda bugged me too
"We've discovered the answer through deductive reasoning! The phalanx we knew about through historical knowledge wasn't with a hoplon shield but with the bottom plate of their greaves. They would Spartan Kick the arrows incoming from Xerxes' Immortals." - Ubisoft Historical Accuracy Division
Lmao
Sokrates is Ma Boi. A man that gave so much. As someone who has an unhealthy obsession with Greece, this is one of my favorite games
They nailed everything but ASSASSINS CREED
Lol.
Incorrect, they did miss a few details
LOL, yeah I know. My main point is they forget to make an assassin's creed game. They were more focused of making a 300 type of game.
@@THIZZAVELI I guess, but I don't really see a problem with it. Of course it's not Assasins, but the game is still amazing.
Nah you can do an assassin build path and still play assassins creed it’s just not as fun lol.
I really feel that it doesn't matter when a game is good in it's own right. Plus Odyssey explained how the modern world was influenced into being how it is in Assassin's Creed.
Sokrates is incredible. And his voice actor playing Zeus in another Ubisoft game made me so happy.
Yeah this game isn't all that accurate in terms of the ACTUAL peoples in the game, what I mean by that is the "diversity" of the different people that are either african, indian, or middle eastern-looking instead of actually looking greek, it REALLY makes it inaccurate when you consider that ancient Greece was quite xenophobic, which certainly wasn't helped by the Persians invading ancient Greece prior to this game's story.
YES FINALLY SOMEONE SAYING THIS IN THE COMMENTS i would love this game but seeing sub saharan africans and middle easterns everywhere and even part of the story like they are normal greeks just pissed me off but the worst thing is all spartan generals that are apart of the story are white but all the soldiers are brown wtf why?
Greeks were said to have light brown skin and long silky hair so I don't know where you get these facts from.
"This is a game, not a movie", well I have bad news for you about the spartan kick... (amazing video, I loved it
I asked a Greek friend about accents she said they sound Indian. lmao
Thank you for this! I have been mad over the no phalanxes for so long and felt like no one else cared.
Hey I’m just going to put this out there. The “Spartan kick” has a time and place in any fight and can be very affective. I’ve been a martial artist for about 20 years now, and I’ve been “Spartan kicked” in the dojo and on a fighting field.
A lot of AC fans are bagging on Odyssey. This game is genuinely amazing, beautiful, and exciting for me. Ubisoft did a beautiful job. It may not be an orthodox Assassin's Creed game, but it's awesome on its own. Stop analysing the work. Nothing is perfect. Assassin's Creed Odyssey was totally worth the money put out.
i was extremely dissapointed in this game. the dialogues, the atmosphere, the characters, the gameplay, the mechanics, were all dreadful. i could only play this game for 2 months, and after 2 months i realised that im actually forcing myself to play this game just so i can finish it and get rid of it as fast as i can. and honestly i dont hate it because "its not a proper AC game" its just awful, and i really dont feel like this is an ancient greek setting. and i just wont even say anything about the HUGE amount of historical inaccuracies this game had, maybe it was historically accurate with the politics, geography, and historical figures. but when were talking about the layout of ancient greek cities, temple architecture, arts, etc this game was just atrocious. honestly walking in alexandria and cyrene in ac origins felt more greek than this game. i was really expecting this channel to just shittalk the game of how historically inacurate it is. and honestly im not gonna go into it but if you want im gonna make a list of all the bullshits and historical inaccuracies this game had, and the list wont be short
I disagree. Assassin's Creed used to be about assassins, not some random mercenaries. The lack of any stealth missions and the Assassin-Templar storyline in the last two games was very disappointing. AC used to have its own unique flavor but now it's just a generic open world RPG and it's not even a good one. It tries to be Witcher 3 but is nothing but a pale imitation. Syndicate was the last good AC game for me. It had its problems but at least it knew what it was. Also Evie was a much better female character than "I'm okay with literal slavery because Sparta is my home" Kassandra.
Ahhh thank you for this video!!! I really enjoyed your livestreams when I could join in and I’m glad you made this video😁
I’ve been watching lots of play throughs of this game and it’s beautiful, I’ve always been really interesting in Greece/Sparta so it’s awesome to see it so well done, with some changes for game play lol. (Tears about the Sparta kick but I could see how that wouldn’t work😢)
Great video, marred by the Kassandra bit. Why the contorted arguments about Amazons and Athena? A badass sword-swinging woman in ancient Greece would be about as shocking a sight as Apollo walking among mortals. Historical records would be full of it. Plus there are tons of female soldiers, mercenaries and bandits. Maybe you could've used it to point out the recent tendency of prettifying history for the sake of modern sensibilities. Nobody wants to see slavery and subjugation of women in their light, escapist action adventure. What a shame. History was ugly and we should never forget that.
Agreed. I don't understand what we hope to gain when we sugar-coating our depictions of those pre-modern times. It's like we realize that societies had pretty brutal values back in those days, but to depict those values as they really were is somehow condoning those values, or exposing us to contamination.
A realistic depiction of ancient Greeks would be harrowing and alienating to a modern audience (as well as dramatic and fascinating). I don't expect any such depiction in pop culture, but for a video that purports to expose historical inaccuracies, this really pulls a lot of punches out of deference to modern sensibilities.
@@ineptjedi3621 Kung Pow Penis
It’s funny to me that this is such an issue for men.
Of course women actually seeing combat wasn’t common at all (I’d argue that it was extremely rare) but it wasn’t unheard of. 5th century BCE Greece had women who fought in their armies and battles, but they had to disguise themselves as men to do so. Again, they weren’t common and very rare, but there was the rare woman who absolutely could fight.
Why is it such a problem to have a badass Spartan woman protagonist? Spartan women, FYI were actually trained in combat (not to serve in their armies obviously, but rather in the event the Spartan Army was defeated and were needed to defend the city. I don’t think they were ever actually called upon to do this, but they were trained for it just in case).
It’s a stretch, I’ll give you that, but not nearly as much of a stretch as having to fight literal mythical creatures, having human-like space alien gods who used to live on Earth (and created Humans!) leaving you to discover all of their ancient (and physics breaking, by the way) secrets and the technology used in the modern story to relive the memories of these long forgotten people.
But having Kassandra as a protagonist is what breaks the historical realism? C’mon man lol.
This game series was never meant to be historically accurate.
@@dalx21 because physical combat in ancient greece required strength of the upper body, if a woman fought she would be completely destroyed by her opponents.
@@azzzanadra Not like women can be trained in Spartan combat and develop their upper body strength or anything. No that's just impossible.
I love you gushing over the cities. Makes me wanna turn off my HUD and just walk around for a while, objectives be damned!
Easy way to solve the land battle problem: Have it start out as a phalanx, then have after phalanx participation the phalanx break under too much pressure from the enemy side, devolving into a melee. Bam, you're done. Or you could choose to assist the long-range auxiliaries that tended to shoot from farther away, like slingers, javelineers, archers, etc.
Fantastic video though, as a fan of ancient history myself the footage you put up for the game looks stunning.
Medusa was *Sexy* ; so %110 historical accuracy confirmed 👌👌👌
Don't you mean mythological?
are we talking bout the same medusa?
I'm already rock hard baby
Hmmmm....snake tittys!
But medusa turned people into stone because she was ugly....
*wonders why blue didn’t mention the fact leonidas LITERALLY THREW AWAY HIS SHIELD. That thing was a hoplite’s lifeline
The first moment I saw the title, I was like, "Aaawwww shiet, Shit's about to go down."
Don't worry, Blue. I'm with you on the shield. Since I couldn't come back with one...
I like to keep the world historically accurate whenever there is a conquest battle on the sea or an island, I always side with Athens and whenever it’s ok the mainland Sparta all the way
We use the spartan kick in pancration, it is very effective , trust me. And the Spartans, even though it is very hard to believe, had much more architecture than people think, the Parthenon has doric rhythm so that tells a lot, we only have Athenian recordings and we Greeks know that the Athenians where thinking very highly about themselves, we had a lot of trouble when researching the recordings because of Athenian-centrism. Sparta goes way way back but sadly because of Michel Fourmont the Catholic priest, nothing is left...
i'm doing my first playthrough of odyssey right now and I find the attention they gave to the world building amazing and definitely worth going forward for
An inaccuracy that I noticed in the first 5 minutes, when you play as Leonidas, is how the spartans go on about how the persians want to make slaves of them all and the persians even play into it; with the persian champion saying he'll make Leonidas' children into slaves for Xerxes. In reality, spartan society was entirely held up by an extensive slave class, and the persian empire had no slaves because Zoroastrianism forbids it
Actually it's not inaccurate. The Greeks thought and spread the belief that Persians took slaves
Even though they didnt
@@theparrot6516 Sure but this is a genetic memory, not a story told through oral tradition, there would be no way for greek bias to interfere with it. The Persian champion is the one claiming he's gonna enslave people; Leonidas isnt inferring this to be the case
I've just started playing this game last month (already 150 hours in) and I'm reading Stephen Fry's book Mythos about greek myths. I've rarely been so invested in a game as I have in this one. It's amazing.
I think most of us would really appreciate highlights from those steams
for those who dont know you should look up Adrestia. The Adrestia, for those who havent played the game, is the name of the ship the main Character sails around the greek world. in IRL, Adrestia is known to be a minor deity of war. As the Daughter of both Ares and Aphrodite, she was venerated as a goddess of revolt, divine retribution, and the balance between good and evil. She was often seen with her brothers Deimos (Main Characters brother) and Phobos (her Horse). As an added bonus Adrestia translates to "she who cannot be escaped" which ties in well with her traveling the known world, chasing down cult members.
Just to add something about the architecture, the models are highly accurate in terms of temples. You can even see the variation among column orders (Doric, Corinthian, Ionic, etc) as locations change.
Oh, that's such a nice detail!
(I haven't played the game.)
11:05 those pronunciations were almost flawless.
I am from greece, and I simply love it when others try to have a greek accent in our words, it sounds foreign sure, but it is simply way out of the mark
I really hope that, with a game during the roman conquest of Egypt and one during the war between Athens and Sparta, they'll make one set during the fall of Rome next. It would be an interesting setting, and they already explored it once already in the comics. With total war Attila currently being the best videogame representation of that period a game with this accuracy would be awesome.
I’m fine with one of the two possible protagonists being a woman but having half of the mercenaries be women who also sometimes fight for Sparta is just silly.
Nah, barely half of it is woman. Even with high ratio, most merc and bandit you see is men. Saying half of it is kinda overblown.
"Spartans couldn't navigate a bathtub without drowning"
I laughed way too fucking hard at that shit 🤣
I literally have no knowledge of gaming at all but I want to play this game. Do I need a ps4 or something? Are there alternatives? Could someone explain? (sorry if this makes me sound like a 70 yr old grandma)
The game is available on PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC. If you have a Windows computer you'll be able to play it!
You do need a relatively new and powerful PC to play it on, so be sure to check your PC specifications against the requirements.😊
Overly Sarcastic Productions Thank you so much
Daughter of Apollo i like ur username ahahahahah
Suggest Xbox one if you don't want to do for the computer, or to get a game controller or joystick if possible for the computer. Sometimes console gaming is clunky if your not used to it.
thank you Thank You THANK YOU for saving my butt in my college entrance test!!! All those nights binge-watching your miscellaneous myths paid off!! Thank you so much!!
Spartans were married to their shields, that’s the only thing I would say this game was lacking is that they should have that Kassandra or Alexia be able to use a shield.
I'm actually writing my own adaption of the Trojan war. I'd like to send you a copy once it's finished. I think you may like it.
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My favourite part was hearing some athenian soldiers saying that a guys from macedon was trying to sell them longer spear, such attention to dialogue and world building beautiful
Overly Sarcastic, you weren't as sarcastic as i expected, i have to admit. I learned some things about Ancient Greece through school and books that i purchased myself and i can say, as a humble greek (no academia whatsoever), that i hope Ubisoft won't ruin another countries ancient history. Or, if they do, add a "Parody" in the title or something. I don't feel offended or something, i feel offended from modern Greeks, not from game companies or Hollywood etc.
Thanks for taking the time to research though and make a comparison. Cheers! [btw. if you want to learn something more, read Cornelius Castoriadis.]
Also, im surprised you didnt talk about the painted statues in this vid, after speaking on them in your AC: Orgins vid
Well. . . holy shit blue, I think you've successfully sold me on my first AC game. this sounds fricken fantastic!
So you're buying it on historical accuracy alone, not researching the quality of the plot, the writing of characters, animations, and polish? Not insulting, just questioning.
Blue, why don't you do a full playthrough of AC odyssey? We would really like to see this. Iwas playing the other day, got into AThens, started walking around the Parthennon, looking at the statues (WHICH ARE ACTUAL STATUES COPIED AND "FIXED" FROM THOSE IN THE MUSEUMS IN GREECE) and it was just amazing to see everything with the eyes of actual knowledge.
The game actually copies landscapes pretty well, I've been to greece several times and I -recognize- places from the game that are inthe real world. Point being, you'd realy enjoy it, and to hear you going on about greek history while enjoying the ac odyssey gameplay, that'd be so cool.
Fun fact Kassandra is actually the canon character, in the official novelization (the audio book is also voice by Kassandra's Voice Actress). Honestly after playing as both Kassandra and Alexios, Kassandra has the better voice actor.
Disagree.
Kassandra makes a better villain, I'd say.
you deserve lots of views man! great! entertaining
"Entire history of the Amazonian women"
What? What history? What amazonian women? You are aware its a myth, story, right?
Myths can still have histories.
The entire history of the Greek Creation Story can still be considered a 'history' despite most people calling it a myth.
Actually, no, most historians believe that the Amazons existed, they're just known to history as the Scythians and Samartians, where women made up about 20% of the fighting force. Besides, even as just a myth, the Greeks believed they existed, so they would have respected warrior women … Athena and Artemis probably helped too
@@DavidbarZeus1 " they're just known to history as the Scythians and Samartians, where women made up about 20% of the fighting force".
In other words, a myth based on a misunderstanding between cultures. Saying that that misunderstanding means they actually existed is like saying Centaurs actually existed because of a similar misunderstanding.
KaguroDraven um no? How is exaggerating the amount of female warriors in a culture similar to “check out this totally real human pony”????
@@psyrus728 Except they weren't just exaggerating. They didn't say "The Scythians had a fighting force of entirely women" or anything like they.
They created a, fake, culture. With its own rules and laws that differed from those of Greece(and their neighbors)
That lived on a, fake, island.
That had, fake, rulers with names, descriptions, and solid personalities.
It was a myth, same as any other myth. Born out of an initial cultural misunderstanding, but still a myth. One that was not true.
the details, feel and cities animated and brought to life are fantastic... the pacing is terrible, the rpg mechanics are frustrating and timewasting, choreography is cringeworthy, the story is a little groan enducing (but what isn't nowadays) and the weapons are too big/small. But i'm here to be immersed in the time period and climb around ancient cities so whatever
Did those giant statues of Prometheus, Sysiphus ECT... really existed??
Silver lol oh hun... lol So innocent!
@@AuroraLalune haha I don't know...
Having studied classical studies for two years at this point, I'm sure I would have heard something about them had they actually existed but I haven't. Think about it, a huge, ancient statue of a god. That'd be quite well known, wouldn't it?
volimNestea Not always.
@@AuroraLalune The likes of these? You've gotta be joking. It'd be one of the man made wonders of the world.
I am Greek and I have a problem with the game. Except the lack of historical battle tactics like you say in the video there is a much bigger problem who only a Greek speaker will understand. You guessed it it's the voice acting and the words that they use... And the pronunciation. The voice acting I have to say is not the best... Like Alexios... Is not terrible but is not perfect either... The voice acting of Kassantra is better than Alexios for better or worse. I say it that the voice acting is not the best because the npcs have better Greek pronunciation than the protagonists. I remember a npc speak English like a Greek and Alexios speak English like a English speaker. It's a personal problem so far and the same problem I imagine have a Italian when he plays Assassin's Creed II/Brotherhood but the rally big problem with the game for me and for many other Greeks is two thing's... a specific word... The word malaka (Μαλάκα) it is very VERY cringe. It's not funny it's cringe and annoying and they use it over and over again that makes me angry to hear it... And the most annoying thing is that they use it wrong. This word is a Insult and a very angle one. But the way they use it is not make sense is like to say all the time asshole for everything...for example Instead of using the word idiot or crap the use the word asshole ahhh... We have a very beautiful and rich language and they put one of the most ugly word of Greek in the game instead of something beautiful and now a American will not learn a good and beautiful word but a ugly and mean word. The problem is that if they use it one time is fine a mistake but it is fine... But the use it all the time! And I have to say that this word in ancient times have a different meaning... The second big mistake for the choice of this word. The second problem is that the few Greek words and names have not Conjugation yes they do not have in the game... And guess what word they decide to put Conjugation? Yes is the word malaka! (Μαλάκα) from all the other words the take care this ugly word because they thought that was funny but instead is very cringe for the reasons I have say before. The game is very interesting and fun but the only thing that I do not like is this make me cringe so hard that it makes me feel very sorry. Ubisoft why you do this to me!? And fun fact the Spartans they have navy but it was not a very good one like Athens and Athens has a very good army but the Spartans have the best army in the region. (feel free to contact me if I have some mistakes in my English and sorry for it.)
I've been searching for a video like this. Thank you!
Yo Blue are you going to continue to live stream you side questing? I really enjoyed it. Some of the questions and the history that you talked about I later learned in class at college. It was awesome! Loved all the Sparta- kicking that you did.
You really glossed over a bunch of the historical inaccuracies in regards to events and mainly only focused on culture and architecture. You didn’t wait to finish the game before posting this and it feels a little disingenuous to leave out stuff like how they portrayed the Mytilenean Debate or Lysander and the Spartan Kings.
10:44 The actors who voice the two main protagonists aren't technically native Greek speakers. Michael Antonakos was born in Greece, but lived there only three years before his family moved to the US. Melissanthi Mahut, as far as I know, is Canadian, and only of Greek heritage.
A bit too grindy for my taste... which is weird since I like to play Disgaea.
Yup, I agree.
See, i've seen people say this a lot and I NEVER experienced this myself, I didn't even purposefully grind to level up, I rarely needed to. I feel like you level up quickly enough, not overly speedy but certainly not laboriously slow either, never needed that increase in power to beat something, not really and the story is just non-linear enough that there are very few places where low level means don't think about going here.
Maybe it's because I often did almost everything in an area before I moved on but that was because I legitimately found the gameplay addicting as all hell.
A DLC that includes Magna Grecia, the Anatolian coast, and multiple unique city states instead of just blue & red would be my dream game. They could even remaster it making the land and people and more diverse and authentic.
Sparta and its allies during the Peloponnessian War actually had a navy just as large as the Athenians. However the Spartan navy was split between two fronts: the Ionian sea and the Aegean sea whereas the Athenians were concentrated in just the Aegean. Plus the Athenians were just outright better sailors.
One thing I thought was weird is how they cropped the game map so that Ionia is gone but the islands right next to it are not. It's not just shrinking thw distance, they had to erase bits of the coastline to exclude the parts of the Greek world which were ruled by Persia. They missed a great chance to show a political order that stands out while giving the Persians the 300 treatment.
Random question but as you didn't mention it in the game what did you think of Island cities and mainland cities having a different architectural style? I think it's a neat idea to make them a bit different gameplay wise but as far as history wouldn't they be more or less the same? It seems like the island cities reuse house models from Origins egyptian towns and repaint them and they seem to resemble the island towns in modern Greece with the blue and white carved stone buildings. I love the mainland cities tho, and feel like they got them so right! Anyway great video :)
Okay, I was completely on board with everything you said until you got to the Spartan kick. It is not a completely ineffective move, front kicks can actually be quite devastating. The Spartan kick also lines you up to kick one spot with the power of three kicks. Your back foot kicks off the ground, your front foot helps to stabilize the trajectory and adds more power by pushing you further forward, and the final kick comes after you push off with the back foot, as you reload and push the back leg forward. If done properly, a Spartan kick will break ribs on contact. It might even collapse a lung.
That being said, I understand what you mean. I just didn't like the words you used to say it. If done properly, the Spartan kick can cause a lot of damage when it hits. WHEN it hits. I will agree that it is a very large move, and most trained fighters will be able to see it from a mile away and avoid it. So, I wouldn't say it's ineffective, but I would agree that it is fairly nonviable in the kinds of combat situations presented in AC: Odyssey.
Also, this kind of kinematic thinking didn't come about until much later in history. The mathematics weren't quite there either. Most philosophers and mathematicians didn't use those things as far as studying dueling styles combat until Agrippa, give or take 50 years. He actually used mathematics to write a treatise on fencing that led to one of the most prominent dueling styles of the Renaissance. So a kick like this wouldn't have even been seen in ancient Greece. At least, not with a big wind up.
A front kick however, is a very good battle tactic, usually reserved for the end of a battle. Battles last a really long time, and if you were to ever actually be in one, you'd learn it feels like it takes even longer. The great epics speak of battles that lasted all day, but really, it might have lasted only about an hour, maybe two. And if anyone wants to argue that point, take a broom and stab at the same spot until your arm gets tired. Now imagine your broom is 5-10 pounds and 6-9 feet long, and you have to hold a 20 pound hunk of metal almost as big as you are. Then tell me these people did that all day long. No, most of that was maneuvering into position, and cleanup when the battle was over. Point is, it's a very tiring business. So, back to the point, most combatants were very wobbly at the end of a battle. If there were stragglers, you could do a quick front kick, and knock the person over. Now that the person is on the ground, it's quite easy to perform a coup d'grace. It takes a lot less energy to knock a tired person over and stab them on the ground, than to attack them while they can still put up a fight and run away. It was also used a lot in the middle ages, where the combatants were heavily armored. You had to strike where the joints in the armor were, and one of the best ways to do that is to knock someone over and smother them so you can take the time to get a precision strike. So front kicks were used a lot.
tl;dr - I didn't like the words you Englished and wanted to argue semantics. I don't know why I did this, I never do this. I guess it's just because I've been studying historical combat for over half my life, and it's a world where you have to be very careful what you say and how you say it. So, semantics just kind of set my brain whirring.
Not having a shield is my biggest issue with this game. It just feels so damn wrong!
But were the giant statues every 200 meters really present in ancient greece? Some cities with their temples looked so gorgeous that i wonder such engineering feats were actually possible back then
I interpreted the Kassandra thing as either Alexios or Kassandra was the main character and the other was sacrificed, meaning that it is the same story, just a different character because they couldn’t figure out which was which because of the animus
As a Greek nut I loved all of references in this game, but it’s because of people like you Blue that I go out of my way to learn more about Greek History just so I can catch even more references in this game.