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The title of this video does not do the content justice. This video is a real-time comparison/analysis of V11 vs V12 on the same routes, same traffic conditions!! I would never normally watch a 30 minutes video but I watched every minute of this and I was fascinated to see the differences in this manner. This video alone gives me confidence that Tesla is much closer to solving FSD now with V12. My guess is V11 improved very slowly cuz like regular software development, they fixed bugs with code changes and caused regressions. So I will be very curious to see whether more training data, less code changes, turns into much faster improvements with less regressions! Can't wait to see how this all plays out!! thanks for the incredible video.
@@AIDRIVR Why do you have 0 interventions in the results for v12 when you have several interventions in the video???? where v12 cut the corner and you had to intervene
Your videos are so good! The narration and explanations are so useful when watching, it gives so much more feeling then a muted video. You are my favorite FSD channel.
A curiosity though: Thinking about myself, driving a manual and not always using the brakes after coming to a stop on a level road, wondering if Tesla/Etc. will view me as parked as my brake lights aren't visible even when I am at a complete stop. Nice content guys!
@@NORWAYORNOWAY It can actually coz it mesure distance to objects around while it's moving so... You can actually see it on the monitor inside the car* by the way :)
5:40 stop and go thing is a perspective. I do full stops all my life for 20 years now. I felt like I was driving in those videos. Kudos to the Tesla team!
yeah, it's people not stopping properly at stop signs that makes it more dangerous b/c you have people wanting to roll through and people who stop. So the roll through people decide to go when it's not their turn b/c they never freaking stopped. But most people DO fail to fully stop. So I get why FSD is learning that behavior. It's even worse in congested downtown city areas.
yeah. i do a full stop all the time. The only times i dont are ones where i didnt see it or was distracted. A machine would never be distracted and thats an improvement (when it gets good enough. and boy does this look pretty good)
This comparison is the best FSD video which I've seen so far, and I've seen hours of it already! This gives so much insights. Please do more of it with Omar!
Single best video on FSD I've ever seen. Perfect AB test. I'm excited for v12 since I'm driving accross the entire country moving to the bay area, an entire east coast to west coast v12 drive would be great to document
Now for a more positive comment: I'm soooooooo excited to get V12 and soooooo happy you got to experience it and report your finding for us. I can't wait to try it on the types of roads I have locally (35-45MPH typically, with many fewer stop signs) and see if the smoothness carries across. Phantom braking/hesitation is probably the biggest problem I experience in general and it looks like this _should_ possibly take care of that.
It is actually shocking, the difference is night and day! The V12 car drives exactly how a cautious but confident driver would, while the V11 car at times seems like a first time driver, and other times completely lost.
the only problem is this is honestly kinda it’s peak. There’s only so much data you can through at an AI model. OpenAI is reaching that limit with LLM’s right now.
@@dnsjtoh I think you're wrong there, the only reason they wouldn't have done this before is because they had too little data or not enough data that was according to the standards needed to train it.
@@JetFire9 Do you have any sources for your claims? To me, it seems as though they showcased both the good and the bad equally, and did a comparison of old vs. new. Not only that, it's not like they can control for the randomness of everything going on around them, between all the cars, pedestrians, lighting, etc. It's also not the first time we've seen tech like this either, just as another popular example, Waymo.
Best video of yours to date. SF local that travels exclusively on V11 autopilot (even with pets and passengers), you picked the best locations and the hardest situations and the most appropriate ratings. Nice work!
Thanks for putting this together! My biggest concern with V11 is getting rear-ended due to its unexpected behaviors, and I'm glad to see that reflected prominently in this comparison. Very well done. Props to AI DRIVR & Whole Mars.
I just found your channel.. first timer here :-). The in-car camera angle your using is awesome, it hides the driver perfectly. It give a glimpse into what it truly might be like to drive a car in future... with the owner in the passenger seat, and no one else in the car.
Thanks again for another very informative and entertaining video! Truly outstanding. Also, I completely agree that if this is the performance we are seeing in a dense urban environment from V12 after just 1 year of development, imagine how it will be in a few years.
Comment to drive the engagement algorithm. Thank you for showing us the limitations of FSD12. Can't wait for it to be widely available - so the FSD13 based on FSD12 training in real world would be human level.
Thx for comparing the versions, excellent idea. One question.. you have never mentioned bad weather. My Model 3 has often problems here with obstructed cameras while snowing or heavy rain. And myself I truly hate wiping the back camera all the time from mud. Does Tesla even plan to do something about it? Mini camera wipers perhaps?
Thank you so much for all this hard work. This comparison drive is so well done and invaluable to show the both the amazing progress made with V12 and the new issues that you've noticed. I can't wait to try it out myself. :)
Thanks for the comparison. I live in Iowa where traffic rarely gets that crazy for me. V11 does fairly well. However, I am an aggressive driver so I disengage a lot to pass people, make it through stop lights etc. Looking forward to level 5 when I can sleep while it's driving!
That hard left and back to the right at 14:08 has an additional input: the Motorcycle that appears in the right mirror and on the screen. Ego could be adjusting for the traffic density at that intersection... and giving the motorcycle extra room in case of an error. See if you agree?
I'm not sure this is a better way of doing it. You basically remove your option to tweak the car's behavior completely. Let's say a tesla is trained for Germany, then the government changes the general speed limit in cities from 50 to 30 km/h (which is very much possible) How do you make cars obey this new general speed limit that doesn't have any street signs when all it's training data behaves differently?
You would need to replace the outdated training data with new one. Which would be a long process, but i guess that humans need also a long time adapting to it.
Great edit with the comparison v11 vs v12, so much better with commentary and the clips one after the other on the same section (than just watching the raw videos side by side on Whole Mars channel which I did before)
When v12 took over the car that honked. What I observed is due to the driver not holding the brakes down while stopped would have caused the A.I to think the car was not going to move again so it overtook. Most people place the car in park when stopped when waiting for a car to move infront or even when you have a good enough breaking system. When you do release the brakes the car won't move. which won't happen with a manual vehicle
A lot of the infrastructure around it is still used, but there is a TON of wasted work. They could theoretically have switched over a bit earlier, perhaps early 2022, but this is easy to say in hind sight. Wayve is a startup that did realize ealier, and had some impressive demos, but didn't have the scale necessary to push through.
Such an excellent video! Thanks! I trust your assessments so much more than the ones of others (incl. Omar's), since they are very openly and factually discussing good AND bad aspects of the drives, whereas others at times talk as if everything is perfect already and appear to cherry-pick their footage.
I wonder if the small amount of remaining hardcoding includes a sub-program to come to a FULL stop (at a stop sign) even though v12 has been "taught" to roll stop signs when safe to do so (by drivers who do this, as I and everyone I know does).
The stark contrast is not only a testament for us who said it will get better, but also for everyone who deemed previous versions crappy. Everyone can rejoice in "TOLD YOU SO!"
Currently, FSD v12 is still too hesitant in its road response. In many places, the handling is a bit slow, the braking and acceleration are not smooth enough, and there are too many unnecessary stops and starts...
Did you also get reminiscent of K.I.T.T.'s black cockpit (from Knight Rider) when seeing the color scheme of the "V11 vs. V12" results at the end of the video?
Thanks for the editing. I saw the raw footage on @WholeMars and it must have been a lot of work. Great work btw. I have to say, I now have way for faith that v12 will be actually better after seeing your analysis.
Great detailed explanations..I’m part of the crew where I paid 2 years ago for summon, smart summon, park assist but none of them work..partly because I’m in Germany..
I am glad you and Whole Mars did this collaboration. I enjoyed videos from you both. I particularly appreciate your informative commentary, it helped me notice differences that I would have missed.
I never understood the fixation USA has with stop signs. There is a perfectly good sign thay should replace the large majority of those signs (the inverted triangle), which means you give way to everyone else but do not need to stop
Me when I’m in a *being wrong* competition and my opponent says:“Stop signs are overused” & “My car that drives itself should perform rolling stops” 5:30
Great video AIDriver. Ver 12 seems like it may make FSD actually worth buying. I hope you get it soon as you are my most trusted source for FSD information.
Another very interesting video comparison. As a Brit who has just driven in the USA I do find your stop signs confusing as a human, often back from the junction so if you stop, then can’t see if clear to go. The mini roundabouts we have in the UK are so much better. It is clear at every junction who has priority.
17:00 My guess is though, that v12 is so cautious, because humans in that situation are so cautious, not because it requires visibility. If it were just relying on the visibility, it could creep forward until the cameras have good visibility and then go. I can't see it from the camera angle, but it seems like it moved way too far into the intersection before going for it. (Note, that the humans eyes are wax far back than the respective cameras on the Tesla)
The hard left at 14:09, if you look on the screen and in the right mirror theres a bicyclist pulling up next to you, so the car was giving extra space for them
I'm in the UK so don't have FSD but do have autopilot and use it for motorway driving, but I've really noticed the recent versions being a lot more tentative and a lot more phantom braking when a car gets a little too close to the line and nearly cause accidents, glad v12 seems to fix this and hoping it'll come into the auotpilot soon too.
Do Waymo or other autonomous vehicles stop fully at stop signs? It seems to me (driving in Australia), that US drivers have effectively turned Stop sings into give way / yeild. Here if a cop sees you rolling through a stop sign you’ll most likely be getting a ticket. We have a mix of more round abouts, give way signs and last resort trafic lights. Very impressed with how much time and effort you and Whole Mars put into your videos and being balanced in your assessments. Also as a user of basic Tesla autopilot, I know how stressful it is when it doesn’t behave like other drivers in traffic.
WRT US drivers rolling through stop signs: They're incredibly oversaturated here. Yield signs are rare and our road designers use stop signs as the default without really thinking if they're necessary, so most people just make the decision themselves.
Considering the power needed for steering wheel/yoke movements, V12 should save some considerable battery power, right? Or is the milling of the yoke completely negligible?
I don’t know how Omar’s old V11 drives were always SO perfect and intervention free as he regularly claimed? Lil exaggeration maybe?? Your V11 SF drive resembles many of the aspects of frustrations and short-comings I have and would likely have in the Bay Area too. Thanks for showing us an accurate representation of how FSD V11 actually works in SFO.
The long honking could also be V11's fault, because V12 probably thought that the car in front of him (or both cars in front of him) had stopped for a longer period of time due to the long delay. There are also drivers who park briefly at the side of the road without indicating this with a turn signal. Thats hard to figure out for humans aswell sometimes. Overall great video. More of that please! V11 is not even close in FSD performance compared to V12. It's amazing when you consider that V12 was trained for just over 12 months while V11 was optimized for many years.
Thank you for your reviews of FSD. They’ve been VERY helpful and entertaining. If you have time, I have questions about how Tesla’s Hardware 4 (HW 4.0) might impact driving safety and FSD performance. Does Autopilot, Autosteer or FSD work better with HW 4.0? Perhaps fewer errors? Is it likely that HW 4.0 will perform better than HW 3.0 with accident avoidance? Better nighttime or inclement weather performance?
Just curious…was human written code before V12 ever needed as a precursor for V12? Why couldn’t they have gone straight to the end-to-end AI architecture?
Summary & final results: 27:41 (but you’re gonna want to watch V11 vs V12)
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Please put your friends channel in the description. Always remember to do this to give proper credit. I wanted to go see his videos
Have to admit I was stoked when I heard about the comparison you two were doing on X. Your presentation and comments are top tier.
@@Lord_LindaThePhilosopher@wholeMars
I either drive my self!! 💙🚀💕
@@Lord_LindaThePhilosopher exactly
This is the best v11 to v12 comparison I have ever seen.
Are there more? 🤭 I agree but because the comparison sample is just one. 😁
and it's still not Full Self Driving. If you want you can give me $12k a year to collect data.
The title of this video does not do the content justice. This video is a real-time comparison/analysis of V11 vs V12 on the same routes, same traffic conditions!! I would never normally watch a 30 minutes video but I watched every minute of this and I was fascinated to see the differences in this manner. This video alone gives me confidence that Tesla is much closer to solving FSD now with V12. My guess is V11 improved very slowly cuz like regular software development, they fixed bugs with code changes and caused regressions. So I will be very curious to see whether more training data, less code changes, turns into much faster improvements with less regressions! Can't wait to see how this all plays out!! thanks for the incredible video.
Appreciate the kind words, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
@@AIDRIVR Why do you have 0 interventions in the results for v12 when you have several interventions in the video???? where v12 cut the corner and you had to intervene
@@Larsonaut The results are for the comparison drives while V11 was doing the same route as V12
Yes should’ve just made the comparison the main video, you’d get way more views
Your videos are so good! The narration and explanations are so useful when watching, it gives so much more feeling then a muted video.
You are my favorite FSD channel.
I agree 100%!
Im pretty sure @WholeMars can still hear the honk when he is closing his eyes. 🤣
LOL :D
A curiosity though: Thinking about myself, driving a manual and not always using the brakes after coming to a stop on a level road, wondering if Tesla/Etc. will view me as parked as my brake lights aren't visible even when I am at a complete stop. Nice content guys!
Vietnam flashbacks :D
@@NORWAYORNOWAY It can actually coz it mesure distance to objects around while it's moving so...
You can actually see it on the monitor inside the car* by the way :)
He's the worst
I've seen the video from Omar and expected it to mostly be the same, but this is so much better!
He is THE AI driver...you know. The best FSD content in the internet.
5:40 stop and go thing is a perspective. I do full stops all my life for 20 years now. I felt like I was driving in those videos. Kudos to the Tesla team!
Suggesting 99% don’t do full stops is… STUPID. Also, blaming regulators for making Tesla do full stops. Arrogant, and stupid. Just like Elon.
yeah, it's people not stopping properly at stop signs that makes it more dangerous b/c you have people wanting to roll through and people who stop. So the roll through people decide to go when it's not their turn b/c they never freaking stopped. But most people DO fail to fully stop. So I get why FSD is learning that behavior. It's even worse in congested downtown city areas.
@@Danin4985 woah chill
yeah. i do a full stop all the time. The only times i dont are ones where i didnt see it or was distracted. A machine would never be distracted and thats an improvement (when it gets good enough. and boy does this look pretty good)
This comparison is the best FSD video which I've seen so far, and I've seen hours of it already! This gives so much insights. Please do more of it with Omar!
Thank you so much for covering all this content! It is really helpful to watch these videos.❤
You’re very welcome, thank you for watching!
Single best video on FSD I've ever seen. Perfect AB test.
I'm excited for v12 since I'm driving accross the entire country moving to the bay area, an entire east coast to west coast v12 drive would be great to document
Do it!
FSD12 cross-country will be amazing to document!
Now for a more positive comment: I'm soooooooo excited to get V12 and soooooo happy you got to experience it and report your finding for us.
I can't wait to try it on the types of roads I have locally (35-45MPH typically, with many fewer stop signs) and see if the smoothness carries across. Phantom braking/hesitation is probably the biggest problem I experience in general and it looks like this _should_ possibly take care of that.
Same!
Holy crap I've always knows full AI would be the best but it's crazy to see that be true in real life!
It is actually shocking, the difference is night and day! The V12 car drives exactly how a cautious but confident driver would, while the V11 car at times seems like a first time driver, and other times completely lost.
You are watching very heavily curated drives and videos by paid Tesla shills. Sorry.
the only problem is this is honestly kinda it’s peak. There’s only so much data you can through at an AI model. OpenAI is reaching that limit with LLM’s right now.
@@dnsjtoh I think you're wrong there, the only reason they wouldn't have done this before is because they had too little data or not enough data that was according to the standards needed to train it.
@@JetFire9 Do you have any sources for your claims? To me, it seems as though they showcased both the good and the bad equally, and did a comparison of old vs. new. Not only that, it's not like they can control for the randomness of everything going on around them, between all the cars, pedestrians, lighting, etc. It's also not the first time we've seen tech like this either, just as another popular example, Waymo.
20:17 that's one of the funniest things that ever happend on this channel lmao. Tbh can't blame the long honk, that's absurd from FSD :'D
It's just an aggressive human driver from nyc
Funny.... is not the word I'd use
I mean if you think about it I think it was the V11 cars fault, it was taking too long and being too hesitant that V12 said F it I'm going around
Hmm....hmmm?? That's...not correct.
Seems like it learned its lessons too well 😅
The quality of of your verbal assessments, of both good and bad driving behaviors, is invaluable. Thank you and please keep it up.
Best video of yours to date. SF local that travels exclusively on V11 autopilot (even with pets and passengers), you picked the best locations and the hardest situations and the most appropriate ratings. Nice work!
Thanks so much for the “BALANCED: Good vs Needs Improvement” Reporting!! This is really helpful! 👍
Very excited for more v12 videos by the one and only AI DRIVR.
Thanks for putting this together! My biggest concern with V11 is getting rear-ended due to its unexpected behaviors, and I'm glad to see that reflected prominently in this comparison. Very well done. Props to AI DRIVR & Whole Mars.
I just found your channel.. first timer here :-). The in-car camera angle your using is awesome, it hides the driver perfectly. It give a glimpse into what it truly might be like to drive a car in future... with the owner in the passenger seat, and no one else in the car.
Thanks again for another very informative and entertaining video! Truly outstanding. Also, I completely agree that if this is the performance we are seeing in a dense urban environment from V12 after just 1 year of development, imagine how it will be in a few years.
Comment to drive the engagement algorithm. Thank you for showing us the limitations of FSD12. Can't wait for it to be widely available - so the FSD13 based on FSD12 training in real world would be human level.
Glad to see more videos great work
Really appreciate it coopman, thank you!
Thx for comparing the versions, excellent idea. One question.. you have never mentioned bad weather. My Model 3 has often problems here with obstructed cameras while snowing or heavy rain. And myself I truly hate wiping the back camera all the time from mud. Does Tesla even plan to do something about it? Mini camera wipers perhaps?
Appreciate that, thank you. Pleasure to meet you as well
Great job AID. Compiling these together is your forte but even so, I imagine it took a while. And great commentary as always. Cheers.
Excellent work! Man, I can't imagine the kind of time and work it took to edit this video together.
Thank you for this awesome comparison video!
You nailed it on this one, there's a massive step change improvement here
Thank you so much for all this hard work. This comparison drive is so well done and invaluable to show the both the amazing progress made with V12 and the new issues that you've noticed. I can't wait to try it out myself. :)
Great video loved the comparison. Wish we had your usual camera setup
This made me more excited for V12. Seeing it side by side made it really obvious
V12 is truly impressive. Wow!
Thanks for the comparison. I live in Iowa where traffic rarely gets that crazy for me. V11 does fairly well. However, I am an aggressive driver so I disengage a lot to pass people, make it through stop lights etc. Looking forward to level 5 when I can sleep while it's driving!
So good to get ur commentary. Thanks for sharing!
That hard left and back to the right at 14:08 has an additional input: the Motorcycle that appears in the right mirror and on the screen. Ego could be adjusting for the traffic density at that intersection... and giving the motorcycle extra room in case of an error. See if you agree?
I'm not sure this is a better way of doing it. You basically remove your option to tweak the car's behavior completely.
Let's say a tesla is trained for Germany, then the government changes the general speed limit in cities from 50 to 30 km/h (which is very much possible)
How do you make cars obey this new general speed limit that doesn't have any street signs when all it's training data behaves differently?
You would need to replace the outdated training data with new one. Which would be a long process, but i guess that humans need also a long time adapting to it.
I’m happy v12 delivered as expected. Let’s hope Dojo is ready to pick up the pace
from Elons comments it sounds like Nvidia is more likely to be picking up the pace...
@@Martinmack333 yea, I loosely refer to dojo regardless of chip provider (mostly Nvidia, some Tesla, and AMD starting )
10/10 production, 10/10 analysis. however I've watched way too many FSD vids till now to get hyped about "oh wow this version's much better"
I bet this episode was so much fun to make, but also frustrating as more things had to come together :). Awesome crossover episode :).
I hope I get it soon! I am really looking forward to trying it out and giving feedback!
I’ve had this Plaid for almost a year but waiting for v12 update.
Great edit with the comparison v11 vs v12, so much better with commentary and the clips one after the other on the same section (than just watching the raw videos side by side on Whole Mars channel which I did before)
love the comparison drive! Good content as always.
Quality video as always. I was disappointed when whole mars released your video without any commentary, but this is what I wanted!
Wow this is truly the best self driving car I have seen AMAZING WORK TESLA !🎉🎉
I’m so glad you make those videos!! Been following for a while and they keep getting better, just like FSS! Thank you!
When v12 took over the car that honked. What I observed is due to the driver not holding the brakes down while stopped would have caused the A.I to think the car was not going to move again so it overtook. Most people place the car in park when stopped when waiting for a car to move infront or even when you have a good enough breaking system. When you do release the brakes the car won't move. which won't happen with a manual vehicle
Agreed - that’s a difficult one to train the car
I like that you made comparison video
I doubt they could have built V12 without V11. So i doubt the work was in vain at all.
Thanks for your videos , always a joy
A lot of the infrastructure around it is still used, but there is a TON of wasted work. They could theoretically have switched over a bit earlier, perhaps early 2022, but this is easy to say in hind sight. Wayve is a startup that did realize ealier, and had some impressive demos, but didn't have the scale necessary to push through.
Glad to hear someone more objective than Omar.
By “objective” do you mean more to your liking?
@tatata1543 Objective means objective.
@@kdub1666 That’s true, thanks for stating the bleeding obvious 😂. My response is that bullshit is bullshit.
@@tatata1543 I mean Omar will just glaze the system no matter what, just look at 20:17 at how far he will let the system go without intervening
Omar has never been objective about anything Tesla. @@tatata1543
brilliant, insightful and very helpful remarks to better understand what's going on, thanks!
Such an excellent video! Thanks!
I trust your assessments so much more than the ones of others (incl. Omar's), since they are very openly and factually discussing good AND bad aspects of the drives, whereas others at times talk as if everything is perfect already and appear to cherry-pick their footage.
Thanks. Very well done. Looking forward to version 12 as well.
Very well done! Perfect overview of the differences between the 2 versions.
I wonder if the small amount of remaining hardcoding includes a sub-program to come to a FULL stop (at a stop sign) even though v12 has been "taught" to roll stop signs when safe to do so (by drivers who do this, as I and everyone I know does).
Excellent! What a great comparison video.
The stark contrast is not only a testament for us who said it will get better, but also for everyone who deemed previous versions crappy. Everyone can rejoice in "TOLD YOU SO!"
Currently, FSD v12 is still too hesitant in its road response. In many places, the handling is a bit slow, the braking and acceleration are not smooth enough, and there are too many unnecessary stops and starts...
Excellent demonstration. Thanks to the both of you.
Great summary of where V12 is at right now. Truly excellent video. Thanks brother.
Absolutely insane! Amazing video. Can't wait to see how much it'll improve since it can only get better!
What mode do you typically run in? I will use mild generally but would be good to caption the mode for your drives as well.
Did you also get reminiscent of K.I.T.T.'s black cockpit (from Knight Rider) when seeing the color scheme of the "V11 vs. V12" results at the end of the video?
Thanks for the editing. I saw the raw footage on @WholeMars and it must have been a lot of work. Great work btw. I have to say, I now have way for faith that v12 will be actually better after seeing your analysis.
Great detailed explanations..I’m part of the crew where I paid 2 years ago for summon, smart summon, park assist but none of them work..partly because I’m in Germany..
Thank you for showing this! Its very interesting to see the differences this way.
I am glad you and Whole Mars did this collaboration. I enjoyed videos from you both. I particularly appreciate your informative commentary, it helped me notice differences that I would have missed.
I never understood the fixation USA has with stop signs.
There is a perfectly good sign thay should replace the large majority of those signs (the inverted triangle), which means you give way to everyone else but do not need to stop
Like we have in the UK.
Great video! Very much appreciated! I am so happy when you show me V12.
I’d love to see how FSD gets on outside the US where stop signs are only used when needed, rather than all way stops at most junctions!
Very good video that doesn’t only cover pro’s but also con’s. Appreciate your balanced review.
Tesla should have data collection "challenges" for trusted drives to collect data like "full stop at stop sign" and use that for training FSD...
Me when I’m in a *being wrong* competition and my opponent says:“Stop signs are overused” & “My car that drives itself should perform rolling stops” 5:30
Great video AIDriver. Ver 12 seems like it may make FSD actually worth buying. I hope you get it soon as you are my most trusted source for FSD information.
Another very interesting video comparison. As a Brit who has just driven in the USA I do find your stop signs confusing as a human, often back from the junction so if you stop, then can’t see if clear to go. The mini roundabouts we have in the UK are so much better. It is clear at every junction who has priority.
fantastic video, really well put together - thank you.
great to see the differences, future for Tesla FSD looks amazing.
14:37 When a pedestrian gives up right of way and waves for the car to go, can fsd understand the human's gestures?
10:46 Canceling that overtake as soon as the brake lights go off is really impressive to me, seems very natural compared to what I've seen from V11.
3:21 Yea this is not good. Don’t do this. The car completely ignored the buffered bike lane.
When will V12 be available for regular Joes?
This version and the progress it's made is ASTONISHING. Wow, I did not expect it to be that good.
17:00 My guess is though, that v12 is so cautious, because humans in that situation are so cautious, not because it requires visibility. If it were just relying on the visibility, it could creep forward until the cameras have good visibility and then go. I can't see it from the camera angle, but it seems like it moved way too far into the intersection before going for it. (Note, that the humans eyes are wax far back than the respective cameras on the Tesla)
The hard left at 14:09, if you look on the screen and in the right mirror theres a bicyclist pulling up next to you, so the car was giving extra space for them
A scooter actually
Finally
A Tesla with V12 engine
The coolest thing is that it will only get better has more and more people drive it as it will continue to learn.
I'm in the UK so don't have FSD but do have autopilot and use it for motorway driving, but I've really noticed the recent versions being a lot more tentative and a lot more phantom braking when a car gets a little too close to the line and nearly cause accidents, glad v12 seems to fix this and hoping it'll come into the auotpilot soon too.
Very cool seeing the comparison! :)
While I’m skeptical of using black box neural networks, I do hope it turns out well.
Do Waymo or other autonomous vehicles stop fully at stop signs?
It seems to me (driving in Australia), that US drivers have effectively turned Stop sings into give way / yeild. Here if a cop sees you rolling through a stop sign you’ll most likely be getting a ticket.
We have a mix of more round abouts, give way signs and last resort trafic lights.
Very impressed with how much time and effort you and Whole Mars put into your videos and being balanced in your assessments. Also as a user of basic Tesla autopilot, I know how stressful it is when it doesn’t behave like other drivers in traffic.
WRT US drivers rolling through stop signs: They're incredibly oversaturated here. Yield signs are rare and our road designers use stop signs as the default without really thinking if they're necessary, so most people just make the decision themselves.
Considering the power needed for steering wheel/yoke movements, V12 should save some considerable battery power, right? Or is the milling of the yoke completely negligible?
I don’t know how Omar’s old V11 drives were always SO perfect and intervention free as he regularly claimed? Lil exaggeration maybe??
Your V11 SF drive resembles many of the aspects of frustrations and short-comings I have and would likely have in the Bay Area too.
Thanks for showing us an accurate representation of how FSD V11 actually works in SFO.
He wouldn't take the much more challenging routes and time of day like these were
Hmmm….ok
Omar has zero credibility on FSD. V11 proved it.
Great video! I loved the "1 HUMAN HOONNKK" on the v12 scoreboard.
The long honking could also be V11's fault, because V12 probably thought that the car in front of him (or both cars in front of him) had stopped for a longer period of time due to the long delay.
There are also drivers who park briefly at the side of the road without indicating this with a turn signal. Thats hard to figure out for humans aswell sometimes.
Overall great video. More of that please!
V11 is not even close in FSD performance compared to V12. It's amazing when you consider that V12 was trained for just over 12 months while V11 was optimized for many years.
My brother was killed by someone who did a rolling stop at a stop sign. Theres a reason we stop at stop signs
If that actually happened I’m very sorry for you and your family…but I don’t really believe that
In the score, don't forget the disengagement around the sign on the island while turning left.
That was during a different drive, those scores were comparing when V11 was doing the same drive as V12
Thanks for doing this! Entertaining and very exciting to see!
This is the best overview of V12 full capability. Watching this, I am convinced full autonomy will unequivocally happen.
I don’t have a Tesla, and knew next to nothing about FSD. This was very entertaining. Would watch this on tv.
Thank you for your reviews of FSD. They’ve been VERY helpful and entertaining.
If you have time, I have questions about how Tesla’s Hardware 4 (HW 4.0) might impact driving safety and FSD performance.
Does Autopilot, Autosteer or FSD work better with HW 4.0? Perhaps fewer errors?
Is it likely that HW 4.0 will perform better than HW 3.0 with accident avoidance? Better nighttime or inclement weather performance?
Just curious…was human written code before V12 ever needed as a precursor for V12? Why couldn’t they have gone straight to the end-to-end AI architecture?
Cause when they started the Technology was not invented for that yet :D
Wow, that honk was crazy hahaha. Very impressed with Omar here, I would've been so embarrassed