Why God Allows Suffering + Q&A - Dr. Hugh Ross
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We are elated to have Dr. Hugh Ross, astrophysicist and author, for a full weekend-conference this Saturday and Sunday, August 8 and 9, at Grace Church STL! Dr. Ross will tackle climate change from a Biblical perspective, through three, unique sessions, on Saturday night at 6 pm, Sunday at 9 am and 11 am. He will then address that age-old, but also very timely, question, “Why does God allow suffering?” Dr. Ross will stream in to be with us, yet we will provide plenty of time for Question & Answer. Please plan to join us ALL weekend, and invite a friend!
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I never get tired of Dr. Ross. He has many layers. I can listen all day.GOD'S continued blessings on Dr.Ross and his family
I'm a retired teacher. The clarity, logic and tenor of Dr. Ross welcomes us to hear the Word clearly. I AM listening and learning from Dr. Ross every day and you know what, it is a gift of intellect he shares so eloquently for our benefit. What a pleasure and gift he continues to offer. Thank you !
I have a question: Who would have imagined that a day would come when scientists would lead people to God? I love you, Dr. Ross. May your tribe increase.
In a heated argument with an atheist girlfriend back around 1990, I said to her that it will be scientist that will prove the existence of God. Littles did I know that Dr. Ross had already done that.
Any Christian regardless of social status could bring you too Jesus and yes, Ross is amazing🙏🏾
Tribe??? 😅
The first scientists were Christians :)
@@heavnxbound I thought these were the guys who were persecuted by Christians...
Fully surrender to God because this is the secret of true happiness and peace . The Holy Spirit will guide us and teach us .
Thank God for Scientist like Dr Ross who understand the ways of God. Science is a gift from God to explore the works of God.
It’s so sad that this very gift God gave us some humans use it against Him…. 🥲 But He remains God no matter what
A few days ago I "stumbled" on "Lights in the Sky, Little Green Men". I say "stumbled" in quotations because I just know that it was a God thing. Dr. Ross is a living, breathing miracle from God, because there's really no way humanly possible for someone who's an astrophysicist to be a pastor at the same time, and to reconcile science with the Word. Dr. Ross has DEFINITELY been gifted by God. Praise God and thank you Dr. Ross! Be blessed and shalom shalom.🕊
I really love his teachings he is such a good speaker. May God bless him.
Thank you so much. I have memory issues. So a while ago, I'll think about the issue of suffering, and research it a lot, and then become satisfied... but then forget what I learned, and re-react to it from a new angle. It hurts knowing what I've forgotten, but the grace of God is that He patiently teaches me again through good scholars and studies.
amen, same here, but God grant me same answers every time to show he is just and good
Same hear. Thank God I can relisten and learn even more of Dr Ross amazing k owlegde and wisdom
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary?
We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism.
These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works:
A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one.
Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control.
Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland.
Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves.
A house divided cannot stand.
We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland.
'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings.
One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey.
Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.
What a blessing to hear now in these times!!!! So much suffering going on!!!! I needed to understand this!
🌷💝🌷Our Lord has blessed us so much through His gem, Dr. Ross. Thank you Lord & thank you Dr. Ross!🌷🕊🌷
Being a Fitness Trainer and Physical Therapy Assistant myself i know the importance of resistance, fatigue and muscle failure. These build strength and ability for the body. PT is often painful but brings healing and mobility back to the injury or diseased area. The more i learn the more i see science point to the same and only God.
I love to watch DR. Ross .. my brain is trying to understand but slowly ..
I have a hard time following some of what Dr. Ross is trying to explain. I have some sort of ADHD. I think I will pour over this talk very slowly in the future so as to understand more fully.
I also have adhd (and depression and anxiety). I struggle everyday because our brains are wired differently. Due the neurodiversity, we have to learn differently. Repetition, continuous study, slow and steady, patience, etc. It is always a struggle and I often get frustrated, but when I first watched Dr Ross just a couple of days ago - I finally felt connected and close to Our Lord once again. I am so grateful. Blessings to you and yours!!! People like you and me and all that struggle with adhd must stick together! Thanks for sharing. It is so nice to hear that I am not alone in this.
I have memory issues too😵💫, I just hope these vids stay up for awhile. Bless everyone❤️🙏🏼
OUTSTANDING TALK and EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE ‼️LOVED IT ‼️💜
Those particular verses are a foundation for knowing that this life ain’t easy but Gods got you and will bless you for staying focused and keep pursuing the ultimate goal.. this ain’t nothing.. we can conquer any situation with God’s help.. prayers for you all... 😇🙏🏽💯🙌🏽
Is Dr Ross' take on Christianity different than others? He doesn't talk about going to heaven or hell after death per se. He is more interested in turning as many skeptics as possible to God before we inherit the "new creation"
Huge Ross, a living legend. God Bless you for showing this amazing teaching on YT. Norway
Indeed - tribulations don't "save" us... But what they do is help to perfect us and bring us closer to the image of Messiah
I love Hugh Ross! He has helped me understand a lot of science / BIBLE THANKS Dr Ross
Wow! Thank you so much! I feel.contorted as far as my personal suffering s go, encouraged and uplifted!!
I always enjoy dr. Ross
Fantastic discussion. He's right about so many things. I think the way to reach young people makes sense too. I had crummy parents, but from that learned what not to do. And I've used what he suggested on how to teach my kids. The only thing I wish is that I had started to listen to Dr. Ross earlier in my life. Thank you for having Dr. Ross on. ❤
Totally Agree Lyn ...Hi ☺️by the way Long Time No See 😳
What an amazingly encouraging word! Hugh Ross is such a gift! 🎉❤
Sadly now that chuck missler has left us and is in paradise, there are few left living that are real teachers that I’ve found anyway. Koinonia house, grace church, shepherds chape, reasons to believe are my favorites.
He is not yet in paradise but sleeping waiting judgement..
Some of my fondest memories are of Chuck Missler and the hours I spent with him. I was lucky enough to live close enough to see him in person a lot. When I graduated from his institute I was blessed to participate in a foot washing with him. I was saved by people giving me his tapes back in 2002. Joined his institute in 2007. Went to his funeral and miss him and Nancy dearly. I have been looking into Michael Heiser and Ken Johnson. But I would love to know what Chuck thinks about the Biden theft of the election. One of his last public statements in 2016 after Trump’s election was “America got a reprieve”. Now I believe he might say we have received judgement.
Alexander - absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. He’s not asleep but his body is separated. Those who sleep in Jesus are referred to our viewpoint of them. Think of when Jesus spoke of Lazarus and the rich man. He was in Abraham’s bosom. He wasn’t asleep but wide awake. And so was the rich man in torment begging for a drop of water.
Man, I'm so glad I came across this. I have heard 2 other sermons of Mr. Ross but, this one really blew me away. I wish he was on other site. I will not go to FB after what Zuckerburg said about the people that have made him a Billionaire.
A truly godly credible .man of profound wisdom and faith
All Glory to YESHUA OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST 🙏 Amen
Amazing Adorable testimony and word of GOD 🙏 Amen
Thank you so much Dearones in Jesus Christ. Dr. Hugh Ross Sir, thank you so much.
From India
That was great. Thank You!
A brilliant and righteous man
This was a very nice discussion. But this is addressed mostly to adults who can help themselves by reading scriptures. But what about children who go through pain all kinds of atrocities without their fault (like childhood trauma , bad stuff like getting molested) what can explain these horrible things . I would like to hear his response on this subject. I will appreciate if wise person like Dr. Ross can throw some light on this.
We have evil among us, we are subject to evil and pass evil on to others.
Good question. If we were not given free will (able to pick love or hate) we would all be robots. A robot saying "I love you" means nothing. I did not learn this till I had kids, my kids of their own free will telling my wife and I: "I love you" is priceless and real love. This free will is given to all, not just some. Jesus said "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6. God cares about little ones. Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Do not look only in the short term. God's Word tells us, he is making a new place, with no pain, suffering and death.
Dr Ross - simply the BEST!❤
Thank GOD for people like dr Ross Speaking as a person that has endured tremendous unsolicited Evil from false Christian’s and demonic entity’s and narcissistic people His creation science evidence for goodness of YHWH GOD above ALL evils is a life line for WE whom moral evil is a daily real battle not just theological philosophical dogma
Dr. Ross gave a long-winded explanation for why God permits suffering and his reasons are unscriptural.
He is always explaining scripture through the lens of science and that is like putting square pegs in round/wrong holes. He is like the religious leaders of Jesus' day whom he told "you make the word of God invalid by your tradition". He failed to let the scripture interpret itself like he says should be done, but instead puts his own scientific ideas above God's holy word. For all his scientific mumbo jumbo there were no supporting scriptures.
The reason for suffering is very simple. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, their disobedience brought sin, suffering, and death to them and all their offspring. God couldn't end suffering immediately because an issue was raised in Eden by Satan that had to be settled once and for all time and time was needed to settle it. God had told Adam plainly that eating the forbidden fruit would result in death but Satan brought the rightfulness and righteousness of God's rule into question when he told Eve that God was lying to her and holding back good from her. He told her “you certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.". Gen 3:4
In other words, she would be better off, she would be independent of God and able to decide for herself what is right and what is wrong. This applied not only to her but to all mankind. So time was needed to prove whether mankind was really able to rule themselves successfully independent of God. The thousands of years of man's rulership filled with misery have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are incapable of self-governance. Jer 10:23
There is another reason why God permits suffering, Satan raise a second issue that involved the righteous man, Job. He claimed that Job (and by extension all of us) only serve God out of selfish motives and not out of love, and if we were to suffer we would turn our backs on God. This issue also needed time to be proven since it involves every one of us. Job 1:8-12
Once these two issues are finally settled to God's satisfaction he will destroy Satan, the demons, and all the ungodly, and the righteous will live forever on the earth free from suffering and death. Rev 20:10,14,15; 21:8; Psm 37:29
www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/section-2/lesson-26/
Question: my whole life, except for about 8 years of it, I've been working jobs I never really had a passion for. I work out of necessity; have to feed the kids, pay rent, etc... being that I haven't really used my talents and things I really love to do, what I have a natural bent for, and a love for (music), then what would I do in eternity? I would really dislike answering phones for eternity, or doing paperwork, or handling claims, or waiting tables, all the jobs I've hated and just worked to put food on the table. Hopefully you get the point. I sure would like to know I'll sing in heaven, or play my guitar. Now THAT gets me excited.
I am no expert but my guess is of course you will! I imagine He will reward us with what specifically we longed for here on Earth..that will be your own special paradise!
@@kmckenney1311 you have no idea how your words soothe my soul. I want to cry. Thank you.
I know you'll sing, and play such beautiful music to your hearts delight, God loves your expressions of love towards Him through the gifts He has planted within you.
Just think, you will make sounds you've never heard here on earth, and be able to sing notes that humans here on earth cannot even fathom. I can't wait!!
I am a passionate musician too.
We will worship together ❤️✝️🙏
I really don't want to do the jobs I have done here on earth. But chicken plucking hundreds of chickens was the worst. Especially when I had to pull the guts out. I almost vomited so the supervisor put me on another job. But I want to learn to play guitar better than what I can now and sing. That's my passion. And I believe God will allow me to be that person I want to be.
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Victor Davis Hansen of Christianity. Thanks, l need Jesus in my life.
i love jesus christ
@ 23-25, we as the body here in material world are meant to ease one-anothers suffering through Christs definition of Love, which would both relieve suffering & at the same time be the key argument presented to unbelievers...its on us for this, which is what jesus prayed for in john
I would've loved to have Chuck Missler and Dr. Ross get together. I used to love to listen to Mr. Missler. But he has gone from us now, so sad.
dr. Ross is wonderful!… as for those PhD students who couldn’t complete the 100 questions ,well, “ the world needs ditch-diggers too”
Wow
❤🎉 Thank you Dr Ross. 😊
Yes , and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution ..2Tim.3:12
When you experienced hardships & suffering is to test your faith & grow and out of that trials we will be refined.
Dr. Ross should debate Hugh Ross.
You mean debate Himself? I am sure he does. I told myself a joke but I didnt get it, yet laughed anyway to be polite.
Wouldn't be much of a debate. Dr. Hugh Ross would mop the floor with his pre-doctoral young self.
Brilliant!
The best lecture on faith we have ever heard from a godly educated man. Fundamentalists believe all of creation last and present was created in 6 days. That's incorrect and not biblical.
Yes atheists will always say "why would God cause xyz...." Goes to show deep down they do know He exists... Their mind is just blinded against Him. But the reality is the after effects of any pandemic or tragedy or disaster is that we appreciate more peace and prosperity... If our hearts and minds work toward Him
Awesome very beautiful explanation !!
Dr. Ross I will read your books soon
Yet many biblical scholars are leaving their faith because the textual inconsistencies can’t be overcome by cognitive dissonance nor can the theologically-centric answers to suffering be harmonized in many hearts and minds. So there’s that.
And others are finding faith. That is life.
@@djsarg7451 yeap. I do find, from a place of religious objectivity, Dr. Ross offers an alternative completely palatable with respect to the utter pseudo-science spewed out by the Ken Ham crowd. In fact it was the Reasons To Believe organization that helped me retain my faith walk for a really difficult time in my life, though in the end I’m not able to hang on to my beliefs with any degree of high confidence. As far as I can tell, it’s not a choice. You can’t have a strong faith after 5 years of intense deconstruction without invoking harmonizing antics like progressive revelation, etc. etc.
Thank you
Wow!…just, wow!!
I have been praying for Aimee, that she understands that I love her as much as the other grandchildren
Go to minute 20 :.30
For Dr Ross
God does not allow or disallow, we reap what we sow.
Most atheists ask why people in this world suffer. In my humble opinion, it should be perfectly clear, especially if you understand sports. But sometimes what is right in front of you, can be obscure.
Suffering can be compared to the relationship between a GOOD coach and his players. A good coach is not going to coach you without putting you through physical, emotional, and psychological "suffering." This suffering is not to hurt you, but to build upon your strengths, and more importantly, to train you to turn your weaknesses into NEW strengths, and eventually eliminate your weaknesses all together. In addition, this suffering tells the coach whether or not you are loyal to the team and are willing to fight against the temptations to leave the team, go against the team, or even worse, go against the coach.
Christ is our coach, and the trials of this world cannot be overcome without his training. We have the choice to resist that training, or accept it upon faith in His wisdom. This suffering is found in the creation of all life as the necessary component needed in order to move EVERYTHING forward in time so that ALL THINGS are moving closer to God's plans for the future. In nature, we see this in erosion, fires, floods, and many natural disasters, when after such disasters, new life is born. Why would it be any different with us? It wouldn't.
This should show us that just as in nature, where new and wonderful things grow out of "disasters," the "disasters" in our lives, allow for the same things to happen to us because they are a necessary component of ALL LIFE transforming, and moving forward.
One might see the end of the world as the final disaster that will happen in this universe. But in reality, that disaster is also going to give birth to new life. Namely ETERNAL life, along with a perfect and ETERNAL new world.
Therefore, as this world and we move forward in this process, let us not lose sight of our hope. After the world and our bodies pass away, Christ's offer of redemption will finally come to fruition.. and a new heaven, a new earth and a new body will be given to us for eternity. That is the hope that we look forward to, and why we are being trained "so hard" in THIS life. It is to prepare us, vet us, and transform us into servants that have been tested, tried and transformed into new beings who no longer desire to sin and only desire to live for and obey the Lord.
Finally, when you are being tested, and suffering is taking place, just know that Christ is training you, and as you progress in your training and LEAN ON THE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE, this training will cause the desire to sin to be removed from your body, eventually causing ALL of your "weaknesses" to become strengths through the power and training of Jesus Christ.
And then, when you reach the end of your training, "when the rotting body has been clothed in what can’t decay, and the dying body has been clothed in what can’t die, then this statement in scripture will happen: Death has been swallowed up by a victory." (1 Corinthians 15:54)
God bless you 💜🙏🏼 Very well said. I pray God continues to use you for his glory and to bring new souls to his kingdom in Jesus name ✝️💜
Amen.
Gods wisdom is so much higher than ours. Hugh is sadly so enamoured with his own brilliance. With arrogance we tend to go well beyond what we know, or can observe and start believing our own conjecture. I find Hugh, excellent and helpful in many ways but incredibly dangerous. Pride is one of the biggest things warned against and humility praised. Please listen to him in the light of Gods wisdom, and what we can actually observe and work out without accepting, unchallenged ,what man claims beyond that.
Dr. Hugh Ross is the most humble man you will EVER meet!
Have you met him?
Have you shared a meal with him?
Opinions are like belly buttons. With the exception of Adam and Eve, everybody has one and they are of little consequence.
@@MutsPub I’m sure he a lovely man and he puts a lot of effort into looking at things and sharing the ‘reason for the hope’ he has in him, which I am very grateful for and I can see there is a lot of good that he does and people that he has helped.
Jesus only answered a few of the many questions he was asked instead he drew out of people the knowledge and abilities God gives to us all. I don’t want to knock Hugh but I would caution anyone not to set themselves apart as a ‘scholar’ or to be dismissive of other Christian’s interpretations. I would encourage them to admit the strengths of others positions.
For example to say ‘there is “no evidence” for a world wide flood when the continental granite ‘floats’ higher than the basalt seabed on the molten core, yet they are covered with thick, extensive sedimentary rock layers laid down under water, is absurd.
We are to judge by people’s fruits, I can see someone’s fruits from what they say in public without knowing them in private. The second part of 1 Peter 3. 15 says to do so with ‘gentleness and respect’. I’m not always good at doing that but I think it is vital that we aim at it. I also think we must be wary of any teacher who claims to ‘know’ better than others. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and claiming exclusive truth should make us fear God.
@@jamesmaybury7452 Who are you? Where is your channel? What is your expertise? What books have you written? What is your science background? Posting on TH-cam and social media qualifies you for what? NOTHING! Thus far you are somebody with an opinion with no support. Just because you listen to pseudo scientists tell you there is evidence for a global flood does not mean it's true. There is no evidence for a global flood! Get over it! You have no clue what 7000+ miles of horizontal plate tectonics in a few months would do to the Earth! The Earth's crust would become molten lava, evaporating ALL the oceans and destroy ALL life on the planet! That indicates that you are just another YEC zealot pretending to be knowledgeable. The Earth is 4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old! There is roughly 76 quadrillion tons of biodeposits in the Earth's crust laid down by billions of years of death and decay! The Universe is 13.79 +/- 0.04 billion years old. We have telescopes on Earth and in space that are allowing the study of objects billions of light years away. But you pretend that is not real! We have the technology to see the infrared spectrum and measure all the way back to the Creation event. You deny reality because of anxiety and fear making your so called faith a joke! You people are directly responsible for the mass exodus of young adults from the Church. They will not buy into the nonsense any longer! There is more evidence for the ludicrous flat Earth than there is for a 6000 year old Earth! So just go play with your toy dinosaurs and teeny Ark and hush. You actually think what you posts are credible and profound. That demonstrates your delusion! How many love gifts did it take to build that ridiculous Ark encounter? Over a hundred million dollars? You believe that the Earth was Created by itself. No Stars, galaxies, space, nothing but the Earth. Then you want to childishly argue about "days" which cannot exist by definition without the Sun as a reference point. When you were infants you drank milk. You should be eating solid foods by now. Instead you wallow in folklore theology and willful ignorance over non essential issues.
Enough!
Grow up.
Put on your big boy pants and get a life!
@@jamesmaybury7452...I agree that Dr. Hugh Ross "puts a lot of effort into looking at things and sharing the 'reason for the hope' he has in him." I, too, appreciate his scientific way of looking at and explaining some things we question (for instance, why viruses are necessary for life on earth). Grant you, his theories aren't Gospel, but they are compelling, and for all we know many of them may be completely accurate. Even so, I totally agree with you about The Flood. God said He would destroy ALL creatures that had the breath of life in them, save Noah and his family (including his daughters-in-law). Thus, while I understand what Dr. Ross is saying regarding a local flood (I've learned it's a common teaching in Canada which is where Dr. Ross is from), I don't agree with it. I believe the Bible regarding a worldwide flood. I also don't believe the earth is billions of years old (though I used to, because it's what I was taught in school). Answers in Genesis explains why believing what the Book of Genesis says is important as a foundation to build other Biblical information on.
If hr or she do not know Christ they are in part the answer to to the question they ask. Pray they find the way .
God doesn't "allow" suffering we bring suffering upon ourselves.
Start ❤ 21:32
God allows suffering to build our character, to be fit for the kingdom of God. Read Edras, and it will tell you.
The war on SIN is both in the heavens and on earth. Malicious evils are attributed to the advassary Satan and the Fallen Angels Abbas first family that had 200 rebell against our creator. His plan will go forward as is written. Amen Halleluah! All my joy and hope with him and in him.
1:22:03 Sure wish I wasn't reading Clifford the big red dog when I was younger. No wonder why I am dumb.
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It's not a wet market problem...it's a gain of function issue in labs.
What about those who are birthed in sin ridden families, and are so abused and messed up, suffer drugs, molest, sexual evil, mental illness, who did not chose where they were born nor who to nor when?
Father in heaven, in Jesus Name, have him answer my question please
This approach to suffering misses the point for me. I sincerely doubt PHD degrees are truly the top of their profession. I see most of the PHD students nowadays as the most empty of spiritual values and their education is lacking. I see most of the top PHD students actually cause the most problems in the world. I see most spiritual values come from the poorest people who labor and persevere and suffer the most. I believe this aligns with Jesus's gospel and with everything I see around me. Now I do not mean to place all poor people in the same class as too many cause their own problems.
I think you may have misunderstood him
This is was an analogy, you missed it. 2 Timothy 4:7-8 "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day-and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing." or 1 Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Live life for the Lord.
I'm not sure Dr. Ross' thesis about human suffering has something to do with traditionally Christianity. It sounds more like Swedenborgianisme; the system of philosophical and religious doctrines of Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772).
Excellent! Paul Tripp also has an excellent book called Suffering. Really worth the read!
You must be at cal tech. Most PhD students nowadays are not of the same caliber 😢.
If we are going to Ryan over a new creation then what about the resurrection of the dead in memorable tombs that Jesus spoke about?
21:00
Dr Ross begins at 20:29.
I love Dr.Ross but unfortunately he did not answer the question about children and death. He said God decides to take children young if he knows they will have a "tormented" life...but there are so many tormented people alive all around us so why are they still here? This question will never be answered by any human.
Its a mistake to ask a human being why God does something. Rather ask God yourself, you will get the answer if you ask
in reality none of us knows and won't until the new heavens and new earth
Only God knows the future and decides what’s best for us and we must have faith and look beyond the challenges and tribulations we have now and look forward to the glory and rewards that await those who persevere in this life. As Dr. Ross mentioned, see James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 4:12-14 and Romans 8: 17-18.
I love Dr. Ross also! And I agree there are some questions that will not be answered. But one thing that I do know is this. Prayer works!! Prayer for the suffering, prayer for the children, prayer for the tormented...works! Also as we have all seen, God can take the most horrific, terrifying incident and turn it around completely for His glory! Our prayers count. And if you have a burden for children continue to pray and I will pray with you! That the strongholds of Satan be removed from their lives and God use their pain to minister and heal others who have suffered the same way and glorify God :-) I heard once holocaust survivor say "there is no deep the He is not deeper".
None of us know. My thought is perhaps He takes them before the age of accountability because He knows they won’t accept his Son. It is Grace.
You are making me a believer. Can you cover the whole burnt offerings thing. I'm having trouble justifying that one
That one kinda baffles me too .... Consider my pale attempt to explain .... These folks valued their livestock above many other things in their possession... God knew their understanding was periodical ... For sure ,it was a bit more decent than sacrificing humans ... Any Thoughts ,Get back with them !
This man is brilliant but seriously deluded. What a long wait to get an answer as to why a benevolent god would allow suffering.
And your point of view matters why?
Who is the one that is deluded? TROLL
@@MutsPub I am entirely entitled to my point of view. I try to think of things that has God done for me. Nothing. I have a stent in my old heart and a pacemaker. God? No, thanks only to medical advances. Did God help me or my wonderful wife when she got Alzheimer's. Not likely. I have to thank the Canadian Government for the care facility and the personal service workers for her daily care. Can you think of anything in your life that God did for you? I'd be surprised if He or She manifester His/ Herself to you in any way. I am an agnostic and believe there may be a God. But not the loving God of the New Testament or the horrible God of the Old Testament. There are things that we don't know and can never know, so It' best to be nice to each other and get through life as best we can.
@@albertgainsworth So, God to you should be a magic genie granting your wishes?
How many wishes do you want?
Is one of your wishes to get more wishes?
I am NOT making light of your trials and tribulations!!!!!
NOBODY promised you a rose garden!
Precious10 year old baby boys, filled with life, die of brain tumors in less than a year!!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW!!!
Where do you think the science that has extended your life came from? Bipedal Primates?
Physics has NOT changed since the beginning. The second law of thermal dynamics will cause ALL things to decay!
You ARE decaying!
AND YES I can point out DOZENS of ways He has blessed my life on a daily basis for decades!!
I'll not elaborate here because:
1) They are none of your business!
2) They are private.
3) What would be the point here on TH-cam?!
Maybe, just maybe, you have received bad information as to His nature?
See: "Dr. Hugh Ross Suffering"
He is a Canadian PhD astrophysicist (University of Toronto) that founded reasons to believe 40 plus years ago. There are dozens of videos available online.
Let me ask you,
1) Do you have a pair of shoes?
2) Do you have access to clean potable water?
Then you are wealthier than the majority of the world's population!!
Have you loved?
Have you been loved?
Count your blessings and quit your little pity party!
Decay will consume everyone!
God allowed them to kill His baby boy!
You think He knows not suffering?!!
Christ died for you even though you don't yet believe! It is a free gift. Just accept it.
When someone gives you a gift, do you spit on it and throw it in their face? NO, you say thank you even if you hate it and think it is stupid!
Just accept the gift!
Whomever believes in Him (Jesus) shall not perish but have eternal life.
In the new creation, there is no decay, no suffering, and a new physics!
Your answer made me sad. I have been sick A long time and I sure don't like that God allowed it but i know he's real. He has answered many small prayers of mine. Ask him to show you the truth before death. If you're not right, you're gambling with too much. Peace, friend
@@albertgainsworth' Can you think of anything in your life that God did for you'? He came to earth as Jesus knowing he was going to suffer a brutal death as an atonement for your sins and to offer you eternal life simply by genuinely accepting his gift of salvation. Read the New Testament. Challenge God to reveal himself to you. And on the day that you feel his call, turn from sin and turn to Christ as your savior. Something else he gave you was a free will. So you have the ability to choose his offer or not. Your decision dictates where you spend eternity. If you don't want to get close to God now, why would he force you to spend eternity with him? Eternity is a long time. Choose wisely.
Dr. Ross is blaming God for our suffering. He is doing the work of the Devil, God is not responsible for our suffering, Satan is. Satan tried to get Job and others to blame God for all his suffering even though he was the one who was causing all of Job's suffering, as Job chapter 1 and verses 7 to 22 show.
Job chapter 1 and verse 16 say "While he was still speaking, another one came and said: “Fire from God fell from the heavens and blazed among the sheep and the servants and consumed them! I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”. Note that the servant thought that God was responsible for this disaster. Why? Because the fire "fell from the heavens". This was a cunning and deliberate effort by Satan to put the blame on God for Job's calamity, something like what Dr. Ross is doing.
If we were not given free will (able to pick love or hate) we would all be robots. A robot saying "I love you" means nothing. I did not learn this till I had kids, my kids of their own free will telling my wife and I: "I love you" is priceless and real love. So no Hugh is not blaming God. This free will is given to all, not just some. Jesus said "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6. God cares about little ones. Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Do not look only in the short term. God's Word tells us, he is making a new place, with no pain, suffering and death.
My questions is this. Jesus said we people will all suffer for HIM , as he suffered and was separated from God while he was he was on the Cross for a few seconds and asked Why hast though forsaken me? , I always wonder why are so many people suffering just like Jesus said we would if we weren't Children of God?
Self Proclaimed Atheists that I know also are suffering a great deal as well, with disease etc? so Who are Atheists suffering for then? is it because they were baptized as a little Baby , then abandoned their faith or belief in God due to suffering , but because their parents had them Baptized or Christened as a Baby that they are Saved somehow by Mercy and Grace and there fore they suffer as Jesus Suffered and as his followers and Believers suffered? We cannot honestly say that Christians don't suffer cause their saved and the steeped in their Faith ,We can't really know what causes an Atheist to suffer , but many Atheists who have Come to Christ, who have Repented and accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour are now Proclaiming that they are no longer suffering from the Disease and Affliction that once plagued them ,like Job, is God allowing the Serpent to causes our Suffering the way he allowed Satan to Torment and Test Job???
Not all suffering is for Jesus. The law of cause and effect, is a law. The 2rd law of thermodynamics works on all. So your question is an error.
Q&a starts at 22 mins lol your welcome
Is that mean the more sins the more human sufferings.. and if we learn tp avoid sins less suffering will be on people's lives
Not necessarily. Read the Book of Job. However, I believe the more we learn to obey God the easier inevitable suffering of this life will be.
Yes, probably so. In secular society we say "nobody is perfect" and "everybody makes mistakes" (maybe equivalent to sin). Humans can learn from their mistakes.
Is it because God said indulgence is sinful?
James 5:5
5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter
Dr. Ross called physical death and suffering "gifts from God". He sounds like Job's false comforters. Neither death nor suffering is from or caused by God! Dr. Ross is misleading Christ's sheep and would be adversely judged by God for it. Jude 1:10 and 2 Peter 3:16 find their fulfillment in him, they say --------------------------------------------
Jude 1:10: But these men are speaking abusively about all the things they really do not understand. And in all the things that they do understand by instinct like unreasoning animals, they go on corrupting themselves.
2 Peter 3:16: speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. We though should heed verses 17 and 18 which say "17 You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advance knowledge, be on your guard so that you may not be led astray with them by the error of the lawless people and fall from your own steadfastness. 18 No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
Hugh is quoting the Bible: See Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
I have a question, what is the “ new creation “ God will make after he redeems all the people he wants? Will that be the heaven he makes for us? If so, where are all the people who died now? Is it like Abraham’s bosom? After this world passes away will god create a new earth and all of it happen all over again?
God's Word tell us, he is making a new place, with no pain, suffering and death. Yes this is also called heaven also called the New Jerusalem and new Earth. People who died now are in the great cloud of witnesses also called those that sleep. They can watch but not be part of.
I'm always puzzled when I hear the statement "this is the only argument atheists have in favor of atheism". From my point of view, there is nothing to be gained from such a debate. Neither can Christian apologist, (grounded in belief and faith) nor an atheist, who demands factual, observable evidence that God exists in the first place, win this argument. Another example would be using the "Book Of Job" upon which to base an argument regarding God's omnipotence. In this case, discussing it's historical impact and utility would be far more useful.
Get your PhD. Devote 50 years of dedicated service. Write your own books.
Then your criticism might matter.
@@MutsPub Are you suggesting your an arbitrator who determines when and if a criticism matters? If so, do you hold that prestigious post because you hold a Phd and concluded 50 years of service (in what kind you failed to reveal)? I'm surprised, given your lofty sense of self, you even bothered to reply. Regardless, thank you for your terse, somewhat pedestrian reply. Be well, breathe easy and lighten up.
@@alfrazz1799No arbiter needed. Why do you deflect? Are you a child?
The self-deluded narcissists don't get it and NEVER shut up. They sit on the sidelines; criticize and ridicule! Yet contribute little to NOTHING!
Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way!
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15
Where can I download Dr. Ross entire class on the book of revelation?
I am curious too, is there one? This is a very hot subject, I guess he will leave messages to the pastors, and tell people to read by themselves
bill gates is already talking about out another pandemic
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but god knew adam and eve would betray him just like lucifer betrayed him so the powerless will always chose lucifer because of thier weekness
Why are people so ignorant? What supernatural invisible, nonexistent God can't you figure out created the evolution you deny? Humanity is doomed. It's full of chickens and sheep.
The Jewish calender we humans only been here for close to 6000 years just shy about 200 years. Some say within 200 years Jesus will return. To me that would make since the 7th 1000 year we will be free of sin. A smaller scale was used when there was Jewish slaves. For six years they would be slaves and the 7th year they would be free. Or a family member could free them before that. And so Jesus had the right to free humans from sin slavery because he took the death penalty. The seventh day Adventist explain the similar parralles of the two scales. I don't get why some say we were here 10000 years or many more years than that. Sounds made up. After the 1000 years we will be tested again. Maybe I'm wrong or not a big deal in grand scheme of things.
Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended.
Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
Ok hang on. Did he just say mRNA vaccines are a good thing?
I hate to hear that; Cash or check; Let the people ask how they can help to the church; I mean no need to mention it or advertise it onstage.
There's nothing wrong with announcing information. Giving is voluntary
Oh my life what absolute nonsense ? I just don't have words cos am not a PhD student but I do have discernment because ism in the Grace of my father ! Just another give me money ministry made in the US A 😢
Plandamic you mean?
It came from a lab….
God doesn't allow or disallow suffering. He's got no control over this. You ,however have some control, as an autonomous individual. Don't ask him to stop your suffering. Do this yourself. You don't need him.
"Why God Allows Suffering" - I thought it was because some people, thousands of years ago, ate some apples. I mean that's what the Christian Bible says.....
How do you know?
Satan was the first sinner, not Adam.
@@MutsPub Make up whatever story works, my friend. The Bible clearly describes what I stated. And, very obviously, it doesn't make a shred of sense - zero. It's nuts.
@@guymerritt4860 You draw conclusions without examining the data?
What apples?
The universe (space and time) was created 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. The Bible says that space and time were created (Big Bang). This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. The Bible is correct and it took man (science many years to have the tools to see his handy work). The beginning of the universe was the beginning of space and time. The Bible correctly records that time was created, time had a beginning. See 1 Corinthians 2:7, 2 Timothy 1:9, and Titus 1:2) The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.
Why do I hate this stuff? It just makes me cringe.
What is the word i'm looking for, when someone pulls ideas out of their ass? or to completely fabricate or invent something; to draw something from little or no real evidence, facts, information, etc?
You should try searching for God's truth instead of criticizing someone else who is truly interested in knowing God, you should be ashamed to call yourself an adult human being, shame on you!
@@thecounselorace621 So, god was prepared to subject one of his children to revolt in torture to prove his love. If you and I had been present when that human sacrifice was going on we would have been in duty bound to try and stop it. If we had, than we wouldn't have been saved. If we had done the moral thing and said "stop this now, i can't watch a human sacrifice , i can't watch someone being crucified, STOP IT! NO, We do that, than we've missed our chance for salvation. This is madness
@@Josh-mh3kl God is the "judge" who sentenced us to death for our "sins". The bible says thstbthe wages of sin is death...
The same "judge" who sentenced us to death is the same who took the punishment on his own shoulders by going to the cross and there was forsaken by God.
Jesus is God, who became man. God and man in one person...
God is Love. He loved us so much that He did not want us to feel the pain what it is to be forsaken by God.
Jesus is the only one in universe who knows what it is to be forsaken by God.
Now He "invites" us to come to Him. He said :" Come to me...and I wiil give you rest"
The blood of Jesus purifies us from all sin.
So, during our lifetime on earth we can make our choice:" Do we wantvto live our lives and eternal life with our without Jesus...
To conclude, Jesus said :" I am the way, the truth and the life.."
You decide: 1) Jesus was a lunatic, who deceived many people
2) Jesus is God who loved us so much, that He died in your place and His dying gave you
eternal life
Jesus will respect your choice. Curses or blessings, death or life...
@@edk484 Prove that any of these beings actually exist
@@vuho2075 the problem is that when we "show" Something that is written in the bible, you guys donot accept it, because the bible is an ancient obsolete book, written by men.
You ask us :" Prove that you can win with football, but you are not allowed to use a football"
But, okay I tryn ths one....That book predicted a few times that God would gather the Jews from all countries in the world and would bring them back to Israël.
I hope you know some history...
Tell me, how could those people know and predict that God would actually bring the Jews back.
( Happened in 1948...)
You can actually "look" at this evidence.
I am sure you will not accept it, but I am just curious how you will reject this evidence...
May I suggest something important Dr. Ross? I noticed your speech is slurred. It may be an early sign of a heart attack, no offense-no kidding. Maybe just go have yourself checked out by a medical doctor. Sorry.
What is your age, must be young. He is in good health for his age.
100% baloney -
The title is very misleading, a "trick" question, if you will. To say God does or does not "allow" things to happen in our lives is plain stupid. It has no answer because the question is illegitimate. God ONLY responds to faith. He is sitting on his thrown 'resting'... still in day 7 of creation. The power of life and death is in Our tongues, not God's. We reap what we sow, period. All God can do is watch. That's like saying God allowed satan to hurt Job, no Job reaped what he sowed. This line of reasoning is invalid.
"Plain stupid" - seriously? You might want to read Isaiah 55 and cool your jets.
Arrogance is unbecoming, especially when you have no clue what you are talking about! Stop dinking milk like an infant and grow up!
God rested from his days of creation on the 7th day, not from performing miracles.
Your argument is ok until you get to Job. Read Job again. He was not a wicked man
@@georgewagner7787 You need to read my comment again, I never once said job was a wicked man
You need to listen to the evangelist born without arms and legs. And his testimony to what God has done for him. I am sorry for your suffering.
I actually lost IQ points listening to this crap.