The Most Elusive Glitch in Jak 2 Speedrunning
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Krew Skip is one of the most elusive and weird glitches to ever happen in Jak 2. In this video i wanted to shed some light on Krew Skip, because it is not a very understood trick. It was discovered in 2014 and not much is understood on how it happened, so i decided to break it down. Hope you enjoy.
Twitch channels to all the runners i used clips from:
► Raccoon_1337: / raccoon_1337
► Dexz: / idexzz
► Moris_V: / morisv
► Zorucas: / zorucas
My Info:
► Twitch: / tharixer
► Twitter: / tharixer
► My Discord: / discord
► Speedruns: www.speedrun.c... - เกม
hmm seems like a case of being speedcucked
Speedcucked: This whole game
Is there anything better than video essays about Jak?
Only video essays about Jak 2!
A video essay on Jak by Ricky specifically
Yeah sex is cool but have you ever watched a video essay on jak?
ThePaull3d what about vids on pornhub?
@penalcrack I was just joking, so you can relax.
krew: aight imma head out
Down* ;)
Oh well
4:20 The best noise ever made.
Eh Oh Eah
Mmm now this is content
I do want to point out that the "blobs" are holograms of Krew himself.
No, they're clearly Mike Wazowskis
Krew himself is a blob.
So, blobs.
As if nobody can see that
@@ss2gora0 😂
Your hypothesis as to what causes Krew Skip is almost most certainly correct. By pushing him into the wall the game registers him as out of the arena, which means the health bar goes away and ends the fight. The fact he goes through the floor is just a coincidence.
probably just the ai bugging out post "death"
The health bar begins to disappear prior to clipping through the floor in both clips. If you watch the first skip you'll notice the boss is able to be hit prior to clipping while his health bar is taken away upon the first hit against the wall.
It seems unlikely that the cause is due to a physics anomaly as there are no similarities between the nature of the two kills shown. In other words the boss phasing through the floor seems to be an aftereffect of the glitch occurring and not its cause.
One similarity shared between the two kills is that they both involve two hits. It seems perhaps that there are 2 states needed for the glitch to occur, involving both of the hits. In multiple 25% reviews of the two clips I notice that there may be similarities in the initial hits where an animation might have had a same frame transition interruption, as in the frame that an animation change was meant to occur was interrupted.
I believe this is the most likely source of the glitch. Although there seem to exist animation frames on the boss prior to its projectile being created the animation could have begun on the frames that the initial hits, and potentially the subsequent 2nd hits occur.
One other theory that I have is that the damage from the abilities is actually infinitely applied through error in invulnerability code (think how pause buffering makes projectiles able to damage enemies multiple times in the original Megaman). Through some precise interaction the initial hits induce a permanently vulnerable state of the boss in both clips and thus when hit again whatever hits them is able to deal damage multiple times.
This idea is supported by the fact that although we only see the normal damage of the hits on the health bar it is immediately taken away, as though it were completely empty. Put more simply the health is taken away on the 1st frame of damage, and then the damage is applied on the 2nd frame but is actually applied so many times that the health bar doesn't get updated but taken away; there is no time to update the health bar because the enemy is dead.
If it's neither of these then I imagine it is a glitch that occurs due to some mechanical quirk of the game/engine (things being loaded in/out etc.) and there exists little way of influencing it.
No comments here....How.
The hp bar updates on both successful skips before it disappears. I'm thinking it's just an error thrown by damage calculation and defaulting his health to zero. All three skips shown seem to show off instances where the boss takes more damage than expected in some way, either through manipulating a gun's damage through unnatural stacking then applying the damage at a certain hp interval or by forcing damage through an invulnerability period. I think raccoon's skip has to do with his gun being basically inside the boss, rapid firing and instant hit causing damage ticks to overlap and bleed through once the s end, while the dark bomb skip has to do with the boss being inside the aoe and doing something similar. Essentially, it's likely an overflow of damage caused by that, "infinitely applied" like you said, and causing the fight to end early.
The clipping out of bounds is the aftermath from killing the boss this way, not part of the trick, I feel.
Just give you closure it's an out of bounds state that's causing this. It's now replicable.
Just for the Jak community's sake and so ThaRixer doesn't have to explain it himself, I'll post the video that shows and explains RTA viable Krew Skip since it has been found now, but not implimented in too many Jak 2 categories:
th-cam.com/video/ppSEVgVYltM/w-d-xo.html
Now, this skip saves an easy 3 - 5 minutes in every category - I timed it, it's basically a free world record in every single Jak 2 category that's up for grabs at this point, the skip is THAT powerfull - but each category has reasons why a new record has yet to surface:
Any% is brutal and unforgiving to run, All Missions has very specific tricks and a run can die to the harder missions and skips you have to do before reaching krew, 100% is an hours long run (current WR is 3:46:23) and, while Krew skip is powerfull enough to give a potential 3:43 - 3:41 or maybe even a sub 3:40 WR, there's so much that can go wrong in a 100% run that it's not worth grinding the category for it.
It's honestly an odd case where Krew Skip, despite being widly sought-after for it's speedrun potential, doesn't help with the other harder parts of Jak 2 such as movement, good rng, actual game knowledge and skill - While anyone can now perform Krewskip since the mechanics behind it have been discovered and potentially get a top time, every WR to my knowledge is still from the pre-Kreskip era simply because while the Timesave is very, very real and the WR potential is out there, the grind to get there is very, very discouraging and it'll take a community push in order to eak out a new Jak 2 record and make Krewskip part of the standard for runs going forward.
The video in the link is private
I'm kinda shocked this got discovered recently. The first time I killed him as a kid, this happened. I was little and I remember my dad using it to explain bugs happen lol. I've never had it happen again though
That’s insane hahaha
I actually had this happen to me a few times as a kid and once during 2013.
It looks like Crew clips first into Jak, then the game resets him into the wall, killing him.
With the dark bomb clip it looks like he clips into the bulge on the pipe before clipping through the floor.
I'd note that the original Crew Skip also occurs around the bulge in the pipe.
That seems significant.
Yo Ricky, love that you're doing these videos lately. Hope the transition to the UK hasn't been too rough!
Thanks! I wrote a bit about it here: t.co/dSLsvO30v9?amp=1
@@ThaRixer I enjoyed reading your blog post. I see you wrote it in February - at least you got to experience a month of normal UK life before COVID. How have you got on in the UK? Pursuing TH-cam etc seems to be a good choice considering the pandemic. I'm enjoying your high quality videos, you deserve more subs tbh.
I love how you call the Krew clones "blobs" it's honestly pretty accurate 🤣
Imagine if you played this as a kid and accidentally getting Krew skip immedietally just randomly xd
I like how there is a tupac discussion in livestream chat, while you explain things
a few weeks after watching this I ended up playing jak 2 causally and executed this glitch my first try. I was literally shocked I still have the recording on my ps4
xD
can i see it
@@snixal lol I mean if you want but I haven't uploaded it xD
@@jakx102 Yes, i want to see how you did it on your first try. I think this skip is 100% possible
I loved the format of this video. It was really informative, yet intriguing. Keep it up, man, regardless of the game!
I am pretty sure this happened to me on my 2nd play through in 2003. 01:50 I recall the fight ended early very similar to this.
dude, how are you not more popular? i only found your channel a week ago but youve already made me a big fan of Jak speedrunning, youre the KarlJobst of this community and i really like that
Wow never noticed how big Dark Jak is until I saw him next to Krew
You can grow bigger as Dark Jak. It's one of the abilities
I love the guy raccoon was in chat with that was just like "WHAT"
These are really entertaining to watch even though I'm not too invested in the scene
Glad you liked it! That's also the goal. To get people more invested into more niche topics without feeling the need to be close to the community
I'm glad people are still playing the best video game of all time.
I'm still so obsessed with Jak
How do you pull the 5 shot peacemaker? I've got the 2 shot multiple times but I'm wondering if it's the same charge,spin,charge tactic or if it's something entirely different.
Why does the outro music sound so... Sly coopery?
The amazing end credits theme from sly Cooper always gets me so emotional for some reason
damn the music is giving me crazy nostalgia. I forgot how much time I sank into jak 2 and 3
Man, I'm loving these speedrun lore/call to action for finding skips videos, this is some content
Awesome video Ricky, I really like this style of content.
the reaction from Moris lmao
I think in the dark bomb clip its bumping crew upwards into the gap between the girder and the centre pillar that makes hin go through the floor
Your Jak video essays are phenomenally well made, I'm really looking forward to more if you make them :)
YEEEEEEEES THE RETURN OF THARIXER ON TH-cam! Great video my boy
It looks like he was transitioning into the next part of the fight to summon the next group of holograms, and because of the positioning when Krew is trying to go to his little out-of-arena zone he just sort of flies out of the registered zone for the 'boss fight'. It might be an innate mechanic put into the game so that if a boss is no longer reachable by the player, to prevent softlocking them, it just simply moves on to the next sequence, and since it couldn't put Krew back to where he belonged out of the arena, it repeats this process rapidly until there are no more sequences in the fight and it has to move to cutscene. What I'm saying is if it's possible to 'edge' other bosses out of their arenas like this, it might be possible to do even more skips just like it due to a flaw in the game design itself, or rather an attempt at getting around possible softlock bugs.
The part with the peacemaker is just brute forcing it, doing more damage to the boss than it can keep up with, so it registers the full damage to both segments of the health bar.
When he was explaining the boss I was too invested in the argument about 2pac in the chat.
If i were to start speedrunning any game it would probably be jak and daxter 1 or 2. Maybe Ratchet and Clank 1 as well. Love these games so much, grew up playing them, and theyre pinnacle golden age of gaming titles
I never realized how small Krew looks in this battle.
humm.... wounder if the way krew skip happened was a resault of cc and being relatively sandwitched when the cc happened which might of cause a few frames of the floor under krew to disapear..... has anyone tried that yet?
I remember that fight back in the day, it was one of the few fights in Jak2 where ammo conservation was a significant challenge for me.
Google Krew skip RTA to see the consistent setup. Basically, just hit him against a wall and he goes out of bounds.
I've done this so many times let me give you the explanation: first you have to push him in the wall and in order to get this to work you need krew to be in the se wall and just keep him against the wall and constantly pushing him against it and then shoot him constantly shoot him so now you have it
Lol I had a dream about finding a skip into the weapons factory last night, and now you upload this! Insane coincidence
Now that a consistent setup for this has been found, any potential for a brief update video about this trick??
if you just walk back into where you come up in the elevator to start the battle and go into the right corner none of crews clones can touch you and you just shoot them down the elevator shoot with 1 shots (yellow gun works the best) have fun
I've got a ps2 and I actually have done that and I thought I was the only one who knew how to do that
I really dig this kind of content not many youtubers do this sorta thing
I am excited for Jak 2 to be ready to play on PC for open goal
its.. still kinda spooky to see krew just... ungulate into the floor like some kind of phantom.. gives me some weird chills..
Jak never gets old. I think ive played through the game well over 1000 times. Never knew about any of these glitches.
I have a theory if everyone is still trying to figure this out. Recently a video was uploaded. A 3:45:25 long essay by pannenkoek2012 on super mario 64's invisible walls. Showcasing where they are, how they function, the various types, and how being in an out of bounds one in particular causes mario to instantly die. While this game is a bit newer than sm64. I can't help but wonder if similar death triggers are applicable here. It's worth looking into at the very least. I'd link it but idk if youtube will delete my comment for that or not.
Mario 64's physics aren't orthodox at all, by virtue of it being one of the first 3d games. Going out of bounds in this game doesn't kill you, and I doubt it kills most enemies, though it's possible there's something with krew specifically
@@Daniel-ty9yh I get that im just saying even if it doesn't give the answer, it could give people a hint.
This is the first video I've watched from you and the instant the Sly 1 credits theme faded in for the outro, you had yourself a sub. Fantastic job mate
These description vids are so chill, I love 'em!
Just a thought from someone with no knowledge of the speed run, but is there an existing glitch to force mobs to clip into object in anyway at all. Finding a reliable way to do that may be the answer.
i stumbled onto a zombie glitch but iunno how i did it, i couldnt collect any pickups, enemies wouldnt respond to my presence, and killzones and death geometry did nothing to me, trying to restart the mission did sweet f all. i foolishly quit and restarted without saving the state of my emulator, but i did manage to record from before it happened to after it happened, i believe i managed to touch a death plane the same frame as when i safely landed on the jetboard.
the krew skip is a thing now !
The game is decompiled sonim wondering if people can try and replicate and be able to tell exactly how
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4:19 i think he died there
Looks like we have an instamce of a skip you cannot replicate.
From my short two months as a game tester i did see a couple of glitches that cannot be replicated.
I am guessing these arent fixed that much since there little possibility to encounter them, and theres no way to influemce them either.
Maybe you have to clip the boss through the wall partly so that the game thinks the boss needs to be killed to not break the game? Im guessimg its with all the entities, objects abd enemies, maybe bosses just happen to be entities too...?
As for floor clipping, theres a chanxe the game tries to kill the entity anf also push it iut of the wall because the entity should not be out of bounds? And that causes death and clip?
Idk i dint know much abt glitches just my thought abt this
4:00 "tupac was big to black people in general" LMAOOOO idk why tht shit caught me off guard n made me laugh so hard bro
I love these videos keep em up^^
These vids keeping the games alive for me keep it up💪
This video format reminds me a bit of Summoning Salt....and that's only a good thing as far as i'm concerned. :)
like and comment. all your documentary videos are so well done. Haven't watched the others yet
I remeber playing this when I was younger and juat picked ut up again and god this game is an ass 😒
i wonder how much we understand this glitch now with OpenGOAL Jak 2?
Anyone who sees this please comment on naughty dogs instagram with the #Jak4
We need jak 4
So is there a chance that around that mid area theres a death barrier/fail safe that if krew gets near it or clip through the collision it will end the battle instantly? I think im overthinking it
Edit i guess im not over thinking it. Hmmmmm what if krew needs to get hit but you got to prevent him from touching the ground
I think its more like a general failsafe of entities
Is out of bounds? Kill entity and delete it
Basically its a thing im guessinh haplens if an enemy or item is out of bounds isually it haooens in games to prevent lag
What bithers me is why not teleport a boss somrwhere elseout if the wall? Idk..
Missed you Ricky, btw do you like mgs2? You used the escort Emma theme
Love MGS2.
Unrelated comment but I find it interesting how Americans as “On Accident” as opposed to the British “By Accident”. They take the phrase “On purpose” and assume the same rule of using on applies to its opposite. Interesting video though.
In Canada, I was raised with the mindset that it's by accident, but some others around me say on accident, so I guess we don't give too much of a shit. I'm the same guy who grew up pronouncing Z as zee as opposed to zed, even though French was my first language and I learned that in French it's pronounced zed, so...
Pongan subtítulos en español ;:v
Jak 2 babee
if anyone has the patience and time to do this would it be possible to TAS the exact run?
my therory is that it is related to somthing done in a previous stage that possibly hits some form of Mob Cap?
(as the extra green guys might be stored out of bounds? and causing too much info for the one level causes the physics to break?)
I dont really follow the game though so I dont know how much sense this makes.
4:20 Is Dexz having an asthma attack?
Ricky talking about jak always gets me tingly 😍😍😍
You have no idea how disappointed I am that “Krew Skip” didn’t mean skipping all of Krew’s stupid missions.
I had a similar thing happen in Xenoblade Chronicles during the second Xord Fight. xord just fell through the floor and died.
Imagine finding this glitch in a 100% speedrun. Would it be disqualified even if you werent trying to glitch it?
I think he was trying to get krew in that spot, but not for a skip, he was probably just trying to get him stuck so he could shoot him without him moving around too much
Did he take the wr with the accidental krew skip?
I'm surprised the X-Files theme music didn't make an appearance in this video.
He probably clipped through the floor and it kept dragging him down
Found this vid by accident, might use the skip next time I play it just because I hate the fight.
I like your voice. You could be a youtuber
I'll come back in 6 months. Let's see if you're right
@@ThaRixer he was right
the Haven City Soundtrack gives me chills. Good video man!
LoL that second clip. "Eh oh eh.... Eh oh"
well, its now a reality so time for an update video :D
Meaning if he gets a ten charge peace maker he can one shot the full health bar
great vid
As Dexz would say: eh oh ehh eeeeoo
Can't you eliminate Krew after the first separator?
This is definitely a case of questionable game design. I'm willing to bet the devs programed "insurance" for this boss fight
If Krew is in an area where the player can't reach him hypothetically, the game will just kill him completely
But the problem with that logic is, why not just teleport him to a better spot the player can reach?
Thats what i asked myself too, most games teleoort bosses out if the weird place
It might be that krew has two failsafes and the wromg one worked (simce hes an entity and usially entities like enenies and items are killed if out of the level to not cause additional lag)
My favorite game of all time
I wasn’t even speed running but I did this before
It took me six months as a young child to beat metal head mash. I was so annoyed with it I shelved the game until I worked up the courage to try again.
took me almost a year to figure out how to do the water slums mission and drill platform on hero-mode.
His reaction is suspicious
7:00 Krew *NEIN*
Krew practicing for his "Du hast" Karaoke!
Doesnt the weapon hes using ricochet?
We need Touvall
Nice voice crack