@@buddingscientist170 The tide is the moon pulling on the ocean with its own gravity but since the moon is far away and much smaller than earth it only lifts it a little bit
Proof that the US patent office if part of the conspiracy to keep us from having free energy! Um, because... um, they don't want us to be happy! And they want to control us! I'm tempted to see how many likes that comment would get if I don't say I'm joking.
Homer Simpson: This perpetual motion machine she made today is a joke. It just keeps going faster and faster. Lisa, get in here. In this house we obey the laws of THERMODYNAMICS!
But what we really don't about is that thermodynamics hardly apply if the system is open, not closed. Universe, stars, planets and galaxies are all open systems, not closed systems since its all externally powered by birkeland currents, nothing is perpetual. th-cam.com/play/PLwOAYhBuU3UeKWHRrCw4i-KviQnAhQhBM.html
Haha I used the overbalanced wheel wheel as my science project in 3rd grade. The point was to prove it dosen't work. I think what gets missed though is that, even though these designs aren't perpetual, some of them were fairly efficient in being able to continually produce energy over the short time or were able to keep producing energy if given a little kick every now and then. Tech that was laughed out of existance or exposed as fraudulent perpetual motion may have been, in some cases, good mechanical batteries. However, with the focus and claims being on perpetual motion, other imagnative an potentially useful applications of the technology were missed. Although maybe not as efficient (or are they?) as current battery technology, building one may be more within the means of someone in need, and a given contraption may prove good enough to provide suficient energy to get by until the sun comes up or the winds blow or the rivers flood or you hand crank it to reset the thing. That's worth taking another look at.
Well said, I agree. Mechanical battery, never thought of it that way... Kind of like how certain thermal batteries are highly efficient yet not ubiquitous for long term energy storage. Great thought, I appreciate it!
The universe is something. The "from nothing" part is conjecture. But I will say this much. Suppose there wasn't anything. Then there would not be anything to enforce laws against "something from nothing", and so here we are.
Perpetual motion machine are actually possible. Like Jupiter rotating around Sun. Jupiter cause Earth will be devoured by the Red Giant Sun. What is impossible is to harness energy from such a system.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Stars, planets and galaxies are not closed system so nothing's perpetual about it. Get familiar with birkeland currents which power everything. th-cam.com/play/PLwOAYhBuU3UeKWHRrCw4i-KviQnAhQhBM.html
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 get some help these machine don't exist its just a long cycle which will automatically stop in about trillions of billions of years cause things do slow down in space.
what if I told you machines can be made the size of a few atoms and that phyisics as we know it dosn't apply at the quantum level. then again the technology to do this sort of thing is in very early stages. it's main purpose now is to make nano bots for medicine rather then infinite energy. even if we did use it that way I doubt the density of the energy could ever be very high.
My 8th grade science fair was a perpetual energy machine. Using a neodymium magnet on motor to create a current in a high density copper coil that was then wired into the motor. After starting it with a coin cell, there was a bit of lag time before it would completely stop, but it never continued indefinitely. At it's best I think it ran for about 2 seconds after the battery was removed.
you can't completely shut out the idea, there are still a few opportunities like what you said something out of nothing goes to the concept of zero point energy, and we don't know everything so it is still a possibility
Even assuming there was ZERO friction machine, wouldn't EM radiation alter it's movement bc it carries some level of mass (even though it's a particle)?
We have to be more innovative with energy. For example, make a perpetual motion machine that will run for 100+ years using magnets and replacing the magnets when they no longer work.
Rotating machinery also has to cope with wind resistance, sometimes called windage. As the machinery rotates it tends to drag the air located near its surface along with it. Any such disturbances where air is caused to move also extracts energy from the machinery and will slow it down.
It’s basic thermodynamics, even if can make it spin forever, it won’t be able to generate any excessive energy, just the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics
So by definition if I build one of these machines in an environment devoid of external influences, including ambient heat, solar, and *gravity*, then would such a machine using super-conductors & super-fluids be able to run forever? Remember the absence of heat mean that the super conductors would not need additional energy to cool itself. And the absence of gravity would mean there would not be an inbalance in the machine.
Eventually the half-life of the material you built it out of would be reached before forever comes around though. I suppose you could build it out of a neutron star... Hm. I guess they'd eventually have to evaporate into photons. Maybe a black holes... Nah it'd all evaporate. I got nothin'. Even in that environment.
The argument of additional energy to cool is environmentally dependent, and therefore +Seeker is logically flawed. i.e. In a Cold sink environment, no external energy to cool is needed
Thanks seeker. Nicely explained but would have been nice to include TH-cam examples that are pretty convincing; they don't necessarily claim to be fully perpetual but certainly show energy producing potential... please?
It kind of goes beyond that. Its almost to the point of flat Earthers in the sense that they want to deny the whole concept of science that they'll believe in massive, global and century-long conspiracies rather than believing things that are not just studied to death, but nearly self-evident once you've been taught even the barest of fundamentals. And some of these folk are (otherwise) very smart. There are some perpetual motion machines that have taken a _long_ time to disprove -- not that any (serious) scientist believed that they were real, but just because either the external energy source was so subtle that it wasn't immediately obvious, or the designer managed to reduce friction sufficiently that measuring the decay is difficult. The unbalanced wheel is a good example of that. You can spin the thing a thousand times and confirm that it does indeed stop every single time, but figuring out _why_ it stops (shifted center of gravity) takes more of an in-depth analysis of some (comparatively) complicated mechanics.
studying science ... studying anything is believing and having faith of what OTHERS tell you is true. Have you seen an atom YOURSELF? No? Even though our models work really well it could be that everything is build on false or not fully true theories.
@@gorgono1 No, but I _could._ There's absolutely nothing stopping me except my own limitations (time, money, knowledge.) . Compare that to actual religious faith. No matter who I am, no matter how rich I am, how smart I am, how lucky I am.. I will never be able to prove to myself that God exists. I can either choose to believe, or not. . And no, attributing random daily events to "an act of God" is not evidence any more than your keys going missing is evidence that a black hole spontaneously formed in your living room, ate your keys and then promptly decayed. Experiments must be repeatable before anyone will consider them evidence of your claim. . And yes, there are plenty of hoaxsters who have made "scientific" claims that were bullshit -- but that's what peer review is for. It might make for fun headlines, but people who care about the actual science are (usually) pretty quick to sniff out bullshit, because the experiments won't be repeatable.
And wht type of machine is the earthrotating around the sun? Like the sun will disappear but just assuming it doesnt our rotation will never stop right?
@@dnomyarnostaw thanks for the comment I wouldn't have reasearched(lite use of word) otherwise but thats wrong were actually moving further from the sun this is cause its burning its own energy and lossing mass here is the link.to where I found this out if u hav any other ones please drop em down spacedictionary.org/questions/getting-closer-sun/
@@_genova6230 That makes sense. The Moon is moving away from the Earth too. I knew that Satellites spiral in, but forgot that the Sun is losing mass. Good pick-up.
Fact: Using the word “machine” with perpetual motion or energy, will give it a beginning and an end, making it finite. With this new and better understanding of perpetual devices, its meaning will need updating in defining it as finite. This way, these devices or machines will not violate the laws of thermodynamics, laws of nature, laws of physics, makes them patentable. ~Guadalupe Guerra
What if you created a "perpetual motion machine" that wasn't creating something from nothing but changing the static potential energy of it's environment into mechanical energy while using some of the energy it converts to power itself once it has been started? Would that still count?
Super massive (or average) Black holes to harness gravitational pull COULD BE the answer to "long term" energy production. Space is full of energy. There's more to physics than what we see here on Earth OR what we can't mathematically formulate in the vast expansive eye of black holes.
M̴e̴e̵p̵M̸w̶e̴e̷p̸ yeah so? The bread just falls on one of the sides since both sides have butter. So a butter-side is down. Now what you should do is this. • Get two slices of bread. • Put butter on one side of each. • Screw them together so they can’t come apart (make the butter sides face inwards towards each other). • Drop them and observe.
I created a theoretical Perpetuum mobile, but the only problem is, that it requires a substance with certain properties, which does not exist (yet). That is so mean :) I gave up trying to create another one, since all mechanical attempts are destined to fail (friction), and it was the only non mechanical approach I came up with at all.
@@RetrogradeBeats It's in theory self sustaining, thx to quantum mechanics, but as I said atm it's still impossible. But maybe one day we can build it :P
@@RetrogradeBeats Just a hint : www.newscientist.com/article/dn27710-antigravity-pump-lifts-water-upwards-with-no-power-source/ You can watch the video here : th-cam.com/video/3jQ4EXIr68s/w-d-xo.html But my Idea works "a bit" different.
But gyroscopes. They require very little mechanical force for short, but high RPM. A fidget spinner for example. What if you attached a gyroscope to an axel that has many alternators to supply a motor with power to keep the gyroscope spinning
You get the already discovered technology of "regenerative breaking" and it grinds to a halt after generating less than half of the power you put into making it spin.
As a conceptual triumph, a _truly_ perpetual motion device is a fine dream which to inspire invention via trial and error. As a *standard* for possible sources of renewable energy, it’s a useless-ass “Who’s is Bigger” contest. I say Close Enough is Good Enough! Throw money at it, mass produce it, get it out there and produce some damn energy already!
What about if we built one in space, where friction and air resistance and all that is not present? Would that increase the chances of being able to build one?
Its possible, it just nit possible on base on our knowledge right now. We can’t even find out what is dark matter and can’t even create out own clone or travel with speed of light. We are still on zero level civilization. But its possible. In the future. Like when I dead lol
You are articulate and intelligent. Why are you wearing a shirt about colonizing Mars? Since you know perpetual motion is impossible you should also know that reaching Mars is even more of a fantasy.
@Mai Mariarti really? you didn't understand that power can't magically appear out of nothing? Yes, I assumed a Seeker video watcher has more than an 8 year old's understanding of the world.
You have the intuition, but in order to proof it to people that have a different opinion, you need more than that, you need reasoning. You have to clearly explain the "why". The video well explained the why, thus it has a value.
I don't think the video is pointless, but I want to repeat the idea that the OP should read the comment section if he thinks all viewers got the message.
I believe wavelengths lengthen and become weaker in red shift and shorter stronger In blueshift. Never came across anything that says the energy is destroyed it just fluctuates to whatever environment it's in. Redshift is astrology thing that deals with perception of light not really for energy systems. If you would share what you mean I'd appreciate it. I study on my own and dont know everything
@@thegriffinsden3383 , emitted light is red-shifted by the expansion of the space it travels through. Red-shifted light has less energy than it had when it was emitted. E=hf Energy = Planck's constant x frequency. That energy just seems to be lost to the expanding universe...
What about something spinning in the vacuum of space while being weightless? If there is no gravity or air resistance to cause friction would it spin forever?
What if you made a wheel in a near perfect vacuum with little or no other gravitational bodys to influance it. You have a bar with a magnet at the center, and a wheel with a ring magnet of an opposing fields as to keep them from touching, but also keep it from flying off. The only flaw i could see is when the magents decay in to other elements. The only energy input would be the initial put to spin the wheel.
The only energy you would be able to ascertain from the machine would be the energy you put into it to start it. It would not create any additional energy.
Perpetual motion is easily accomplished in a perfect vacuum. But the moment you try drawing energy out you’ll bring it to a screeching halt. Why? You’re only using up the energy that was put into it to set it in motion in the first place. It’s basically just a battery but with kinetic energy instead of chemical energy or electric potential. You can charge it up now and drain it later.
Is it possible to make one in space since there’s no gravity, even making it spin enough to power a machine that makes it spin again would make it go forever
No it won't. If you spin the machine and then try to power another machine to re-spin the first one both machines will create some heat and experience thermal losses. Once all the energy contained in the device is converted to heat and dissipated the machine will eventually stop.
I still can't believe that nobody is talking about it. Use artificial superintelligence much stronger and smarter than us to design perpetual motion machine.
Well, ok, delete the word "command", and let it to decide on its own whether it will design it or not (when it realizes that making such thing could provide immortality with infinite energy, it will certainly try to do it).
MassiR77 you are forgetting that "physics" is a science, in other words it is a human construct, set of man-made mathematics, formulas, assumptions and observations based on our senses. It is arbitrary to some degree, and we can't really say "never" about anything in this universe. And about your dividing by zero; dividing by zero doesn't implicate that something is impossible, it is instead UNDEFINED, which would in the real world mean that we don't really know what to expect from my assumption about ASI (Superintelligence) designing a perpetual motion machine.
What about the solar system rotating around the black hole? Obv we cannot tap into that source of energy yet, but isn’t electromagnetism a big part electrical currents and our magnetic defenses?
I heard there was something VERY close to a perpetual motion machine, it was a clock that is powered by changes in atmospheric pressure. It’s not technically s self powered machine but it does run on an infinite source of power which is very cool in itself.
Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence, just because you or anyone (you beleive) has not seen it before, is not proof free energy is not possible.
What about an electromagnet axle so there's no friction and the magnetism powered by the wheel itself like a self winding watch...I'm going to make one
Make sure to do it in a vacuum chamber and scrub out the quantum vacuum fluctuations while you're at it. Also, motion in a magnetic field is converted to electrical current.... so you're describing a mag-lev motor in reverse, and if you back-drove it you'd have a mag-lev generator. Just so you know, they're not efficient.
What about tidal-based energy systems? A moon filled with water orbiting a large planet keeps its waters liquid via tidal forces exerted on it as it gets closer and farther from said planet. Left alone, would the tidal forces "run out"?
If a machine could run and power things for a good long time between inputs of energy, perhaps such a system could be used like a battery? (like flywheels, etc.)
Things in space don't stop right So what if we create some sort of fan and send it to space to generate electricity and get unlimited energy supply Or we can install solar panels up in space
so what about a rhomboid shape with an empty external layer outside the shape. fil it with water and add one slice in the internal shape so that the water can travel in there.
What about the infinite fountain? The one where you have a large funnel and a thin tube leading back into it so that the water gets pushed down into the tube, up and then into the funnel again? Couldn’t you make that really big in a sealed environment with 100% humidity so no water evaporates and with a super slick wheel so none sticks to it? Where is the energy going in
Could you suspend the wheel in a magnetic field so there is no friction? Not the whole thing but just where all the spokes join? It might run a lot longer if that were possible. Maybe the motion of the balls would make it bounce around and unbalance it. No idea.
Cthulhu Has Risen magnets do not hold their field indefinitely. Unless you use energy to recharge their magnetic field. It would last very long but not forever. In short magnets wear out, it would be the equivalent to running out of gas.
@@RetrogradeBeats yeah I know, I just thought maybe they would last longer without friction. I'm sure even the marbles moving back and forth would be a small amount of friction that added to it stopping. Would be cool to see how long they could keep it going. I am in full agreement with host. There is no true perpetual motion machine.
Also, I have been thinking this forever, you take almost any attempted perpetual motion machine, and add up the energy lost from friction, the air, and heat loss, than the way you get around this minor problem of not being able to get enough of energy out of the system.. is.. you need to add energy from the surroundings to the system. So right now the energy of 1 square foot of waves in the ocean, is more than enough energy to tip the ball or carry a boyant ball back to the top of a rig, or solar energy, or the heat from magma around a volcano, or wind, or magnified beam of sunlight that could melt steal, this is alot of energy that so far we cant convert into usable energy efficiently.. do you know how much energy it would take to replicate that beam of magnified light from one square foot of refractive lens? Thats alot lol. These can all keep a system going forever, now we if we can create a simple small cell that creates consistent energy lets say only 1cent a day, you increase the surface area of the collective unit, and eventually you have a macro level source of constantly flowing natural energy. So wait. Just think of the simplest way to convert the constant motion of wave rolling a ball around, the ball will roll as long as its floating with no stable position... Now lets say its the size of a grain of rice, if you can maximize surface area to add as many of those tightly packed together, than if the size of that unit is the size of lets say the size of a basketball, if you had just taken 1 of those cells, and kept it large so the size of a basketball, your densely packed cells would create more energy than the single large cell that is the same size.. How crazy is that.. so this is how we can efficiently harness energy from natural sources.. heat is a big one... ANY movement.
Isn't everything below the nanometer level a perpetual motion machine. All molecules and atoms vibrate and spin. If they didn't or where some how to stop that would violate the uncertainty principle.
European Patent Number : EP1821391A1 states "As described above, by forming the stator 110 in the independent, multi-phase parallel distribution structure, a large output can be realized at a low voltage. Since the ratio of the number of the number of the motor windings M to the number of the generator windings G is 1:2, the over-unity efficiency more than 200% can be achieved." published 2007.
Leonardo Constantino no, the sun will runout of fuel, black holes eventually dissipate due to hawking radiation, the expansion of the universe ultimately leads to a heat death. Remember billions of years is not forever. Good question though.
But do we need perpetual motion? Why not work on semi-perpetual motion. produce "continuous" energy with little input. It's not "perfect: but we need "perfect" (also until we're able to use dark matter I don't think we will be able to have perpetual motion)
But... if you use a superfluid to make a frictionless machine made to spin forever and generate energy, can't we use a fraction of the same energy this machine is producing to maitaing the low temperature of the superfluid? (Sorry, if my english is bad)
I've always wondered since scientifically we know there is no possibility of Perpetual motion or More energy then u get out machines even the most efficient ones due to the eventual quantum nature of particles itself. Is it possible to still use them tho? Since the best cases we could have a "self running machine" that would last for decades if done really right. And when it finally comes to either a stop or a point to which the energy produced form the machine is far to less to power the next step to then continue the process. So is it possible to just use one of these machines as a way to keep a low power system going for decades, centuries or even millenia if done really well?? I get u will have to have some way to start the process again but thats easy we already are using rockets that are super inefficient when compared to say Fusion, light sails, anti matter, etc etc. Meaning while yes we would have to add in a system to start the process once this SLOW WIND DOWN finally stops wouldn't that be less then than using a traditional chemical rocket. Yes yes I know these machines while they may take a long time to stop or reach that point of not enough energy produced sort of thing meaning Chemical rockets are still great for that initial push shit we need for our gravity well. I could still see an application of these "Slow wind down" machines for something like a replacement or EVEN an addition to say the Ion drives we already use for long term SLOOOOOOW space travel once we are out of the Earth gravity well. Is that possible?? I would love to hear ideas about this whether they be in support or not. I've always wondered if we could take advantage of these snake oil ideas in a way. Not to break laws of course but to extend the efficiency rating as we have done with Anti matter machines or will do.....................
My guess is that there are better ways to get better output. I would imagine that a slow wind down machine would be less efficient than something like solar panels or a nuclear reactor or maybe even a big ass battery.
@@reinyeradoriuq2733 well I understood that as my last line was said, but still my consideration is about the closest approach to fulfill the identity of a perpetual machine. As the title of the video says "...We still can't get it", is that consideration not included?
But what if you have two gears one big one medeum then out the medeum gear one the big one then have 3 more gears all of them are small then attach a small one flipet on its head ( not the spiky part ) then attach to the medeum one put one small on its pointy part put it on the first one on its side then the other small gear will be the same as small gear n1 but on the bottom of n2 AND turning the medeum one
Real Reason Why we want a Perpetual Motion Machine: Cool thing to keep on the desk.
As in iron man 2
What about tidal.energy
From where water get potential energy
@@buddingscientist170 gravity
@@theultimatemadman1126 gravity pull water down but water move up during tide
@@buddingscientist170 The tide is the moon pulling on the ocean with its own gravity but since the moon is far away and much smaller than earth it only lifts it a little bit
4:05 The Patent Office gets too many applications for these?
People who try to invent perpetual motion machines... they never stop.
Ayyyyy
Proof that the US patent office if part of the conspiracy to keep us from having free energy! Um, because... um, they don't want us to be happy! And they want to control us!
I'm tempted to see how many likes that comment would get if I don't say I'm joking.
Some people.. they move on... but not us.
Yeah! Salute to all the square pegs in a round hole; paraphrasing APPLE! They're the ones that change the world!
Ta boom cha (go the drums)... lol. Nicely said.
Homer Simpson: This perpetual motion machine she made today is a joke. It just keeps going faster and faster.
Lisa, get in here. In this house we obey the laws of THERMODYNAMICS!
"The first law of thermodynamics is you don't talk about Thermo....." Lmaoo @2:45
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But what we really don't about is that thermodynamics hardly apply if the system is open, not closed. Universe, stars, planets and galaxies are all open systems, not closed systems since its all externally powered by birkeland currents, nothing is perpetual. th-cam.com/play/PLwOAYhBuU3UeKWHRrCw4i-KviQnAhQhBM.html
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I used the overbalanced wheel wheel as my science project in 3rd grade. The point was to prove it dosen't work.
I think what gets missed though is that, even though these designs aren't perpetual, some of them were fairly efficient in being able to continually produce energy over the short time or were able to keep producing energy if given a little kick every now and then. Tech that was laughed out of existance or exposed as fraudulent perpetual motion may have been, in some cases, good mechanical batteries. However, with the focus and claims being on perpetual motion, other imagnative an potentially useful applications of the technology were missed. Although maybe not as efficient (or are they?) as current battery technology, building one may be more within the means of someone in need, and a given contraption may prove good enough to provide suficient energy to get by until the sun comes up or the winds blow or the rivers flood or you hand crank it to reset the thing. That's worth taking another look at.
Well said, I agree. Mechanical battery, never thought of it that way... Kind of like how certain thermal batteries are highly efficient yet not ubiquitous for long term energy storage. Great thought, I appreciate it!
@@ProlificInvention Go and invent prolifically, my friend :)
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isn't the universe itself something from nothing?
seems like all we need to do is make another big bang somewhere?
maybe do it on a small scale the size of a marble then stick it on Orion's belt for safe keeping. ;D
no stupid.
The universe is something. The "from nothing" part is conjecture. But I will say this much. Suppose there wasn't anything. Then there would not be anything to enforce laws against "something from nothing", and so here we are.
Nope. Meet the universe's mortal enemy: ENTROPY.
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Perpetual motion machine are actually possible. Like Jupiter rotating around Sun. Jupiter cause Earth will be devoured by the Red Giant Sun. What is impossible is to harness energy from such a system.
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@@aniksamiurrahman6365 get some help these machine don't exist its just a long cycle which will automatically stop in about trillions of billions of years cause things do slow down in space.
what if I told you machines can be made the size of a few atoms and that phyisics as we know it dosn't apply at the quantum level. then again the technology to do this sort of thing is in very early stages. it's main purpose now is to make nano bots for medicine rather then infinite energy. even if we did use it that way I doubt the density of the energy could ever be very high.
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My 8th grade science fair was a perpetual energy machine. Using a neodymium magnet on motor to create a current in a high density copper coil that was then wired into the motor. After starting it with a coin cell, there was a bit of lag time before it would completely stop, but it never continued indefinitely. At it's best I think it ran for about 2 seconds after the battery was removed.
you can't completely shut out the idea, there are still a few opportunities like what you said something out of nothing goes to the concept of zero point energy, and we don't know everything so it is still a possibility
shut up flat earther
@@gustialt we would still live in caves if all people were closed minded like you
Material degradation would be next
Even assuming there was ZERO friction machine, wouldn't EM radiation alter it's movement bc it carries some level of mass (even though it's a particle)?
We have to be more innovative with energy. For example, make a perpetual motion machine that will run for 100+ years using magnets and replacing the magnets when they no longer work.
It’s not a perpetual motion machine if you have to jump start it
It's not a Perpetual Motion Machine if you have to jump start it, it's an engine and it has already been invented by Joseph Newman.
It also doesn't *necessarily* have to be perpetual, it could be something that runs for, say a month...
Rotating machinery also has to cope with wind resistance, sometimes called windage. As the machinery rotates it tends to drag the air located near its surface along with it. Any such disturbances where air is caused to move also extracts energy from the machinery and will slow it down.
It’s basic thermodynamics, even if can make it spin forever, it won’t be able to generate any excessive energy, just the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics
But what if we use gravity?
Because thats energy.... I think ...🤔
@@delicioushomemadestrawberr8730 **its a force**
So by definition if I build one of these machines in an environment devoid of external influences, including ambient heat, solar, and *gravity*, then would such a machine using super-conductors & super-fluids be able to run forever? Remember the absence of heat mean that the super conductors would not need additional energy to cool itself. And the absence of gravity would mean there would not be an inbalance in the machine.
Eventually the half-life of the material you built it out of would be reached before forever comes around though. I suppose you could build it out of a neutron star... Hm. I guess they'd eventually have to evaporate into photons. Maybe a black holes... Nah it'd all evaporate. I got nothin'. Even in that environment.
The argument of additional energy to cool is environmentally dependent, and therefore +Seeker is logically flawed. i.e. In a Cold sink environment, no external energy to cool is needed
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Thanks seeker. Nicely explained but would have been nice to include TH-cam examples that are pretty convincing; they don't necessarily claim to be fully perpetual but certainly show energy producing potential... please?
I understand why people being cheated by fake videos, because not everyone study science.
It kind of goes beyond that. Its almost to the point of flat Earthers in the sense that they want to deny the whole concept of science that they'll believe in massive, global and century-long conspiracies rather than believing things that are not just studied to death, but nearly self-evident once you've been taught even the barest of fundamentals.
And some of these folk are (otherwise) very smart. There are some perpetual motion machines that have taken a _long_ time to disprove -- not that any (serious) scientist believed that they were real, but just because either the external energy source was so subtle that it wasn't immediately obvious, or the designer managed to reduce friction sufficiently that measuring the decay is difficult.
The unbalanced wheel is a good example of that. You can spin the thing a thousand times and confirm that it does indeed stop every single time, but figuring out _why_ it stops (shifted center of gravity) takes more of an in-depth analysis of some (comparatively) complicated mechanics.
studying science ... studying anything is believing and having faith of what OTHERS tell you is true. Have you seen an atom YOURSELF? No? Even though our models work really well it could be that everything is build on false or not fully true theories.
@@gorgono1 No, but I _could._ There's absolutely nothing stopping me except my own limitations (time, money, knowledge.)
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Compare that to actual religious faith. No matter who I am, no matter how rich I am, how smart I am, how lucky I am.. I will never be able to prove to myself that God exists. I can either choose to believe, or not.
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And no, attributing random daily events to "an act of God" is not evidence any more than your keys going missing is evidence that a black hole spontaneously formed in your living room, ate your keys and then promptly decayed. Experiments must be repeatable before anyone will consider them evidence of your claim.
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And yes, there are plenty of hoaxsters who have made "scientific" claims that were bullshit -- but that's what peer review is for. It might make for fun headlines, but people who care about the actual science are (usually) pretty quick to sniff out bullshit, because the experiments won't be repeatable.
And wht type of machine is the earthrotating around the sun? Like the sun will disappear but just assuming it doesnt our rotation will never stop right?
Nah huh.
Earth is losing speed due to other gravity sources .
Eventually it would spiral into the Sun if left for long enough.
@@dnomyarnostaw thanks for the comment I wouldn't have reasearched(lite use of word) otherwise but thats wrong were actually moving further from the sun this is cause its burning its own energy and lossing mass here is the link.to where I found this out if u hav any other ones please drop em down spacedictionary.org/questions/getting-closer-sun/
@@_genova6230 That makes sense. The Moon is moving away from the Earth too.
I knew that Satellites spiral in, but forgot that the Sun is losing mass.
Good pick-up.
There's already a ton of videos about this, saying exactly the same thing almost word for word...
And .. he's wrong. we will achieve a perpetual motion mechanical machine someday because... We want it.
@@surfside75 nope
Salish yep
@@YTuseraL2694 nop
Jakegog yep
What about using magnets? Surely that could remove any issues with friction if the magnetic forces cause the parts to not even touch..
if it is possible there could be infinite energy to us.
I will be so happy because I will see seeker for infinite time
Fact: Using the word “machine” with perpetual motion or energy, will give it a beginning
and an end, making it finite. With this new and better understanding of perpetual devices, its meaning will need
updating in defining it as finite. This way, these devices or machines will not violate the laws of thermodynamics,
laws of nature, laws of physics, makes them patentable. ~Guadalupe Guerra
*Cool another science stuff that i don't understand but i'm gonna still watch it*
What if you created a "perpetual motion machine" that wasn't creating something from nothing but changing the static potential energy of it's environment into mechanical energy while using some of the energy it converts to power itself once it has been started? Would that still count?
you forgot about taping a piece of toast with butter and a cat together
Super massive (or average) Black holes to harness gravitational pull COULD BE the answer to "long term" energy production. Space is full of energy. There's more to physics than what we see here on Earth OR what we can't mathematically formulate in the vast expansive eye of black holes.
Tidal generators already work on earth, sure bigger gravity means bigger current, but that's not perpetual motion.
(You'd actually be slowing down the black hole, or slowly drawing it to you, or something to it...)
(Actually, all of those at once.)
This isn’t original but
But butter on both sides of the bread and drop it. The first law of the universe is that bread must always land butter-down
M̴e̴e̵p̵M̸w̶e̴e̷p̸ yeah so? The bread just falls on one of the sides since both sides have butter. So a butter-side is down. Now what you should do is this.
• Get two slices of bread.
• Put butter on one side of each.
• Screw them together so they can’t come apart (make the butter sides face inwards towards each other).
• Drop them and observe.
You silly billy obviously it would fall on it's edge.
I think your talking about Murphy's law. When something bad can happen, it will happen.
I created a theoretical Perpetuum mobile, but the only problem is, that it requires a substance with certain properties, which does not exist (yet). That is so mean :) I gave up trying to create another one, since all mechanical attempts are destined to fail (friction), and it was the only non mechanical approach I came up with at all.
its impossible
@@RetrogradeBeats It's in theory self sustaining, thx to quantum mechanics, but as I said atm it's still impossible. But maybe one day we can build it :P
Enty Ropy in all of quantum theory including quantum mechanics, nowhere does it account for free energy or a self sustaining energy source.
@@RetrogradeBeats yes, and matter cannot pass thru impenetrable barriers, and fluids cannot flow against the direction of gravity ... oops.
@@RetrogradeBeats Just a hint :
www.newscientist.com/article/dn27710-antigravity-pump-lifts-water-upwards-with-no-power-source/
You can watch the video here : th-cam.com/video/3jQ4EXIr68s/w-d-xo.html
But my Idea works "a bit" different.
keyphrase "HOW WE (THINK!) PHYSICS WORK"
All sounds good in theory but how to you explain the life cycle of an electron spinning in a magnet! How long does that last?
2:46 you do not talk about fight club
_Things you own end up owning you_
But gyroscopes.
They require very little mechanical force for short, but high RPM.
A fidget spinner for example.
What if you attached a gyroscope to an axel that has many alternators to supply a motor with power to keep the gyroscope spinning
You get the already discovered technology of "regenerative breaking" and it grinds to a halt after generating less than half of the power you put into making it spin.
3:13 isn’t the whole basis of the Big Bang theory on that it created the universe... from nothing
As a conceptual triumph, a _truly_ perpetual motion device is a fine dream which to inspire invention via trial and error. As a *standard* for possible sources of renewable energy, it’s a useless-ass “Who’s is Bigger” contest.
I say Close Enough is Good Enough!
Throw money at it, mass produce it, get it out there and produce some damn energy already!
"Are as fake as my girlfriend laughs at my jokes"
That's why I love Seeker, keeping it real XD
Haven't you heard of the Perpetual motion machine by Reidar Finsrud?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Probably, likely not.
For the machines axis why don’t you make the centre magnetically levitated for there to be no friction.
Will we Ever achieve a perpetual machine? NO. said you in2019😂
I'm glad inventors don't listen to people like you✔️ -Keep Dreaming and inventing!!🚀🌌
What about if we built one in space, where friction and air resistance and all that is not present? Would that increase the chances of being able to build one?
Its possible, it just nit possible on base on our knowledge right now. We can’t even find out what is dark matter and can’t even create out own clone or travel with speed of light. We are still on zero level civilization. But its possible. In the future. Like when I dead lol
You are articulate and intelligent. Why are you wearing a shirt about colonizing Mars? Since you know perpetual motion is impossible you should also know that reaching Mars is even more of a fantasy.
Screw Verizon, AT&T, and Viacom.
Yeah
Only if they screwed you first
What’s wrong with Viacom?
If you could shield a magnet such that you only had one pole, could you not use that to drive something? Why can't you shield magnets?
I don't think a single person watching doesn't 'get it'!
A well produced but completely pointless video for this channel.
This video wasn't completely pointless.
They needed something to keep up the pretence that this wasn't just an ad.
@Mai Mariarti really? you didn't understand that power can't magically appear out of nothing? Yes, I assumed a Seeker video watcher has more than an 8 year old's understanding of the world.
John Doe I don’t get it.
You have the intuition, but in order to proof it to people that have a different opinion, you need more than that, you need reasoning. You have to clearly explain the "why". The video well explained the why, thus it has a value.
I don't think the video is pointless, but I want to repeat the idea that the OP should read the comment section if he thinks all viewers got the message.
please some one say me what is the velocity of particles in LHC
Pretty sure it's 99% speed of light. They may have improved it and are currently trying to get closer to 99.99% speed of light
@@davidgarvin7823 Thanks bro
I asked it to complete my project
Time will always works since it's made of eternity ;)
But not my age
Unfortunately
you said energy can't be destroyed inside a closed system but what about red shift?
I believe wavelengths lengthen and become weaker in red shift and shorter stronger In blueshift. Never came across anything that says the energy is destroyed it just fluctuates to whatever environment it's in. Redshift is astrology thing that deals with perception of light not really for energy systems. If you would share what you mean I'd appreciate it. I study on my own and dont know everything
@@thegriffinsden3383 , emitted light is red-shifted by the expansion of the space it travels through.
Red-shifted light has less energy than it had when it was emitted.
E=hf
Energy = Planck's constant x frequency.
That energy just seems to be lost to the expanding universe...
Perpetual motion???
[ *MAGNET INTENSIFIES* ]
no u
What about something spinning in the vacuum of space while being weightless? If there is no gravity or air resistance to cause friction would it spin forever?
Bruh just do it in space, easy dubz
😂😂
What if you made a wheel in a near perfect vacuum with little or no other gravitational bodys to influance it.
You have a bar with a magnet at the center, and a wheel with a ring magnet of an opposing fields as to keep them from touching, but also keep it from flying off.
The only flaw i could see is when the magents decay in to other elements.
The only energy input would be the initial put to spin the wheel.
The only energy you would be able to ascertain from the machine would be the energy you put into it to start it. It would not create any additional energy.
First law of thermodynamics 😂😂😂
ASHISH KUMAWAT shut up
Perpetual motion is easily accomplished in a perfect vacuum. But the moment you try drawing energy out you’ll bring it to a screeching halt. Why? You’re only using up the energy that was put into it to set it in motion in the first place. It’s basically just a battery but with kinetic energy instead of chemical energy or electric potential. You can charge it up now and drain it later.
Its not impossible
Our understanding of the Universe might be wrong
You don't need perpetual motion machine if you have a device that can pull in zero point energy .
Humans: Can I?
Logic:*facepalms
Physics: No.
Is it possible to make one in space since there’s no gravity, even making it spin enough to power a machine that makes it spin again would make it go forever
No it won't. If you spin the machine and then try to power another machine to re-spin the first one both machines will create some heat and experience thermal losses. Once all the energy contained in the device is converted to heat and dissipated the machine will eventually stop.
Those veiny little arms are freaking me out
What was the first rule again or should we not speak of it?
We should command AI supercomputers to design one
I still can't believe that nobody is talking about it. Use artificial superintelligence much stronger and smarter than us to design perpetual motion machine.
“Commanding “ an AI is like creating a perpetual motion machine
Well, ok, delete the word "command", and let it to decide on its own whether it will design it or not (when it realizes that making such thing could provide immortality with infinite energy, it will certainly try to do it).
@@YTuseraL2694 it's impossible to make one cuz physics. Telling a machine to make one is like asking it to divide by zero.
MassiR77 you are forgetting that "physics" is a science, in other words it is a human construct, set of man-made mathematics, formulas, assumptions and observations based on our senses. It is arbitrary to some degree, and we can't really say "never" about anything in this universe. And about your dividing by zero; dividing by zero doesn't implicate that something is impossible, it is instead UNDEFINED, which would in the real world mean that we don't really know what to expect from my assumption about ASI (Superintelligence) designing a perpetual motion machine.
What about the solar system rotating around the black hole? Obv we cannot tap into that source of energy yet, but isn’t electromagnetism a big part electrical currents and our magnetic defenses?
I have really built a perpetual machine that is subscribing t seriea
What about using a magnetic field does that create friction?
I want a perpetual motion fortnite dancer. I've watched all the 10 hour videos on TH-cam and still want more.
Sebastian Elytron 10 hours of your life you will never get back.
Dont get to deep into video games please remember that you're living in 3D.
If perpetual motion machines won’t work, what keeps voyager in motion? Isn’t space frictionless?
Did anyone noticed how big his ears are
Even Nico Parker noticed.
I heard there was something VERY close to a perpetual motion machine, it was a clock that is powered by changes in atmospheric pressure. It’s not technically s self powered machine but it does run on an infinite source of power which is very cool in itself.
scientists still call it an "experiment" - even though some have been running for well over 100 years.
This Guy suffers from Low T.
To much Soy consumption. Very sad.
Lmao
Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence, just because you or anyone (you beleive) has not seen it before, is not proof free energy is not possible.
"Are as fake as my girlfriends laugh at my jokes".... Lol
What about an electromagnet axle so there's no friction and the magnetism powered by the wheel itself like a self winding watch...I'm going to make one
Make sure to do it in a vacuum chamber and scrub out the quantum vacuum fluctuations while you're at it. Also, motion in a magnetic field is converted to electrical current.... so you're describing a mag-lev motor in reverse, and if you back-drove it you'd have a mag-lev generator. Just so you know, they're not efficient.
@@impromptu_ninja thanks so much...for the information and being friendly about it. I hope you have a wonderful day friend. 😀
What about tidal-based energy systems?
A moon filled with water orbiting a large planet keeps its waters liquid via tidal forces exerted on it as it gets closer and farther from said planet. Left alone, would the tidal forces "run out"?
If a machine could run and power things for a good long time between inputs of energy, perhaps such a system could be used like a battery? (like flywheels, etc.)
is universe expension perpetual motion? where it get its energy ?
Things in space don't stop right
So what if we create some sort of fan and send it to space to generate electricity and get unlimited energy supply
Or we can install solar panels up in space
Smooth ad transition.
so what about a rhomboid shape with an empty external layer outside the shape. fil it with water and add one slice in the internal shape so that the water can travel in there.
What about the one which involves magnetic repulsion..
What about the infinite fountain? The one where you have a large funnel and a thin tube leading back into it so that the water gets pushed down into the tube, up and then into the funnel again? Couldn’t you make that really big in a sealed environment with 100% humidity so no water evaporates and with a super slick wheel so none sticks to it? Where is the energy going in
Could you suspend the wheel in a magnetic field so there is no friction? Not the whole thing but just where all the spokes join? It might run a lot longer if that were possible. Maybe the motion of the balls would make it bounce around and unbalance it. No idea.
Cthulhu Has Risen magnets do not hold their field indefinitely. Unless you use energy to recharge their magnetic field. It would last very long but not forever. In short magnets wear out, it would be the equivalent to running out of gas.
@@RetrogradeBeats yeah I know, I just thought maybe they would last longer without friction. I'm sure even the marbles moving back and forth would be a small amount of friction that added to it stopping. Would be cool to see how long they could keep it going. I am in full agreement with host. There is no true perpetual motion machine.
We can tell you've been working out (;
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Also, I have been thinking this forever, you take almost any attempted perpetual motion machine, and add up the energy lost from friction, the air, and heat loss, than the way you get around this minor problem of not being able to get enough of energy out of the system.. is.. you need to add energy from the surroundings to the system. So right now the energy of 1 square foot of waves in the ocean, is more than enough energy to tip the ball or carry a boyant ball back to the top of a rig, or solar energy, or the heat from magma around a volcano, or wind, or magnified beam of sunlight that could melt steal, this is alot of energy that so far we cant convert into usable energy efficiently.. do you know how much energy it would take to replicate that beam of magnified light from one square foot of refractive lens? Thats alot lol. These can all keep a system going forever, now we if we can create a simple small cell that creates consistent energy lets say only 1cent a day, you increase the surface area of the collective unit, and eventually you have a macro level source of constantly flowing natural energy. So wait. Just think of the simplest way to convert the constant motion of wave rolling a ball around, the ball will roll as long as its floating with no stable position... Now lets say its the size of a grain of rice, if you can maximize surface area to add as many of those tightly packed together, than if the size of that unit is the size of lets say the size of a basketball, if you had just taken 1 of those cells, and kept it large so the size of a basketball, your densely packed cells would create more energy than the single large cell that is the same size.. How crazy is that.. so this is how we can efficiently harness energy from natural sources.. heat is a big one... ANY movement.
Isn't everything below the nanometer level a perpetual motion machine. All molecules and atoms vibrate and spin. If they didn't or where some how to stop that would violate the uncertainty principle.
You have sataliets which are geostationary . Keep falling forever, maybe this can be used somehow?
European Patent Number : EP1821391A1 states "As described above, by forming the stator 110 in the independent, multi-phase parallel distribution structure, a large output can be realized at a low voltage. Since the ratio of the number of the number of the motor windings M to the number of the generator windings G is 1:2, the over-unity efficiency more than 200% can be achieved." published 2007.
We can make one
If we just do it.
In other dimension??
Make only one and other on the side and make it run that other that runs the others
Try it if u want probably works
Would something like a solar system be considered a perpetual motion machine?
Leonardo Constantino no, the sun will runout of fuel, black holes eventually dissipate due to hawking radiation, the expansion of the universe ultimately leads to a heat death. Remember billions of years is not forever. Good question though.
But do we need perpetual motion? Why not work on semi-perpetual motion. produce "continuous" energy with little input. It's not "perfect: but we need "perfect"
(also until we're able to use dark matter I don't think we will be able to have perpetual motion)
But... if you use a superfluid to make a frictionless machine made to spin forever and generate energy, can't we use a fraction of the same energy this machine is producing to maitaing the low temperature of the superfluid? (Sorry, if my english is bad)
I've always wondered since scientifically we know there is no possibility of Perpetual motion or More energy then u get out machines even the most efficient ones due to the eventual quantum nature of particles itself.
Is it possible to still use them tho? Since the best cases we could have a "self running machine" that would last for decades if done really right. And when it finally comes to either a stop or a point to which the energy produced form the machine is far to less to power the next step to then continue the process. So is it possible to just use one of these machines as a way to keep a low power system going for decades, centuries or even millenia if done really well??
I get u will have to have some way to start the process again but thats easy we already are using rockets that are super inefficient when compared to say Fusion, light sails, anti matter, etc etc. Meaning while yes we would have to add in a system to start the process once this SLOW WIND DOWN finally stops wouldn't that be less then than using a traditional chemical rocket. Yes yes I know these machines while they may take a long time to stop or reach that point of not enough energy produced sort of thing meaning Chemical rockets are still great for that initial push shit we need for our gravity well.
I could still see an application of these "Slow wind down" machines for something like a replacement or EVEN an addition to say the Ion drives we already use for long term SLOOOOOOW space travel once we are out of the Earth gravity well. Is that possible?? I would love to hear ideas about this whether they be in support or not. I've always wondered if we could take advantage of these snake oil ideas in a way. Not to break laws of course but to extend the efficiency rating as we have done with Anti matter machines or will do.....................
My guess is that there are better ways to get better output. I would imagine that a slow wind down machine would be less efficient than something like solar panels or a nuclear reactor or maybe even a big ass battery.
Put at the bottom of a year round wind gully , build some walls parallel to make it have a quicker wind tunnel
from where comes the energy that rotates the wheel ?
Does a spinning floating magnet in a vacuum count?
how about fusion energy harvester machine that is being developed now?
though it will loses the energy, isn't it considered close to perpetual?
Something close does not mean it is. That is still not a perpetual machine because it will not operate indefinitely.
@@reinyeradoriuq2733 well I understood that as my last line was said, but still my consideration is about the closest approach to fulfill the identity of a perpetual machine. As the title of the video says "...We still can't get it", is that consideration not included?
But what if you have two gears one big one medeum then out the medeum gear one the big one then have 3 more gears all of them are small then attach a small one flipet on its head ( not the spiky part ) then attach to the medeum one put one small on its pointy part put it on the first one on its side then the other small gear will be the same as small gear n1 but on the bottom of n2 AND turning the medeum one
Wouldn’t you be able to eliminate friction with magnets?