What a great guest. I wouldn't mind listening to her give a lecture. It is so rear to hear an expert on a subject. I'll bet she never thought that this would be her subject when she started her career.
Living up north where the roads are salted part of the year makes me wonder how vulnerable EVs are to sloppy, wet roads in winter. A small crack, after hitting potholes could eventually open enough to allow salty water in and compromise the batteries integrity.
(I realise that this Comment echoes what's been said in the interview, but I want to say it anyway.) My concern about EVs involved in storm situations wouldn't be the vehicles which unfortunately caught fire during the flood; it'd be the uncertainty surrounding the ones which may or may not have suffered water damage which might not become evident for days, weeks, or months afterwards. Who'd want to risk buying a second-hand EV from a flood-affected area? You'd have no idea what you were getting. Whoever traded it in would have been more interested in getting a good price for it than in listing every time it had got soaked in salt-spray by a gale or that its battery had been bumped on a rock or a high kerb or accidentally dunked in the ocean when a careless/drunk owner was launching a boat. Not everybody's decent and conscientious and honest. Some people lie. And if having an EV checked by the local dealer is going to cost $400, maybe some people wouldn't bother. The problem is not the actual threat of thermal incidents; it's not knowing if there's a threat in the first place. It's the uncertainty that does the harm. If flood-zone EVs were commercial passenger jets, they'd be taken out of service until it could be proved - PROVED - that their electrical systems were safe. ICE cars are different. Their critical systems are out in the open and easy to check. Corroded wires, cracked cables and perished hoses can be replaced by unskilled hands in a weekend. But EV damage may be invisible. You can't tell. You can't see stress micro-fractures in welds or creases in thin films of insulation. You can't see impact damage to banks of cells in factory-sealed enclosures. You can't be sure that saltwater hasn't found a way inside a bolted connection. You don't know if something's wrong until it happens. But it may not happen. Probably won't. So you get on with your life and tell yourself that the blesséd prophet Elon will protect you. But would you REALLY want to leave an EV on charge in your garage overnight if you hadn't owned and cared for it from new? I wouldn't.
If your car is flood effected by salt water why would you be trading it in and not just claiming the insurance? Wouldn’t matter if it was ice or ev it would have water damage . Your write all that and missed the absolute basic .
@@chrisward5626 because you could get more for it that way maybe? Many people just don't do right by others, so you have to expect the worst. That applies to insurers as well. It is highly likely that insurers are going to get tighter on claims as they increase in frequency and severity, which is inevitable. So conning a stranger gets you more than insurance for a minor flood damage that you can't be sure when/ if it will write off your car and house. No brainer for some people
Hopefully the whole truth about lithium ion batteries is made known to the public, and common sense regulations are implemented. Your interview with the good Chief Rice was positive and informative. This sounds like progress to me.
Most water damage to battery packs I have heard about is due to water seeping in through the pressure relief vents. The only solution I can think of for that is replacing vents with burst discs and pressurizing (or vacuuming) the pack by a few psi for leak detection.
Then you got the hardcore EV fanboys that will tell you how wrong you are until they turn blue in the face and sweep stuff like this underneath the rug
@@TF-Timeswhat rare instance? EVs catching fire when they get wet? EVs are literally the only cars that catch fire when they get wet. It's hilarious. Never in my life have I heard of gas cars catching fire when they get wet. 😂 But "rare"... Hahahahahahaha!!! Keep regurgitating Liberal propaganda
@@TF-Timesrare instances that have occurred twice in Florida in as many months? Come on man, you people are just making yourselves look foolish now. Try debating rationally about the reality , and you will be taken more seriously.
Yep... It'll absolutely affect EVs. The battery case isn't entirely waterproof, which is why they catch fire when they get wet. Water and electricity don't mix. Add salt, and the results can be shocking! Look up "pets shocked by manhole covers in winter"
I think that is why, they are asking people prior to a potential flood to move the car to high ground OR to park it in the driveway away from the house. Better to lose a car than to lose a house.
Evening im glad the safty of all fire rescue individuals are your priority and the education of people on what to do with the there EV and recreational idioms that are damaged in a flood . Aka storm surge. Thank you for the good news .As EV go to salvage for disposal facilities is there going to be a tracking of the batteries so the next person will not be able to use the battery? To avoid any problems with the battery 🔋 having trouble.
Even without inundation, sodium ions in "salt air," especially after a hurricane, can enter a poorly sealed battery pack and lead to premature failure. Early Florida Teslas were known for this problem. The ions can be present in the air hundreds of miles from a sea coast.
It would be greatly preferable if we had direct access to the statistics you guys are referencing, the big thing I'm wondering about right now is vehicle make and model as opposed to just "ev fires", my question is is this ALL ev models? Is this just teslas? Is this just ford failing again, or as usual? GM? Others? Chinese models? American Models? Canadian models? German models? Broad stroking this discussion with just "ev" is extremely disconcerting. E. Thank you very much for the discussion, I'm checking out her and your websites now, definitely would like an in-depth and in-detail look at whether this could be a model or make or country regulation issue.
Maybe it should be legislated that manufacturers give fire services the data on all batteries in their vehicles by make marque and model so that fire services know what battery chemistry they are dealing with in the event of an incident.
Thank y'all for taking action and staying on top of things. I really do like electric vehicles and batteries. But it is very important that we understand and trane people so we can enjoy these things safely.
I’d like to know how many we’re talking about. If it’s thousands, that’s a problem but I don’t get the sense that it’s more than maybe 100 total. Having more concrete way of gathering the data will benefit everybody. Including EV owners like me.
@ I’d guess dozens at most, from this particular hurricane. If this was common it would impact insurance rates. I’d be happy to see real data it anyone has it though. Usually it’s just people who don’t like EVs complaining about them instead.
Has anybody tried a buy back for used lithium batteries , make it worth wile for people to recycle . Put a dollar value on the problems of Not recycling . $50.00 per kg or $ 25.00 per Lbs as a starting point , possibly double that until most of the batteries produced are recycled . I'm not a save the earth kind of person But lets reduce the damage caused by the fires that these batteries cause .
Great to hear two professionals clearly explaining the difficulties of the new ideology
Technology
Ideology @@junkman8742
Chief Rice comes across very well, she has an air of relaxed competence.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Chief Rice. Great interview 👏🏻👏🏻
What a great guest. I wouldn't mind listening to her give a lecture. It is so rear to hear an expert on a subject.
I'll bet she never thought that this would be her subject when she started her career.
I never expected to be talking about this topic either!
The information the data collection is generally dependent on media reports is deeply troubling. 😱
Living up north where the roads are salted part of the year makes me wonder how vulnerable EVs are to sloppy, wet roads in winter.
A small crack, after hitting potholes could eventually open enough to allow salty water in and compromise the batteries integrity.
this is what is called "progress"
(I realise that this Comment echoes what's been said in the interview, but I want to say it anyway.) My concern about EVs involved in storm situations wouldn't be the vehicles which unfortunately caught fire during the flood; it'd be the uncertainty surrounding the ones which may or may not have suffered water damage which might not become evident for days, weeks, or months afterwards.
Who'd want to risk buying a second-hand EV from a flood-affected area? You'd have no idea what you were getting. Whoever traded it in would have been more interested in getting a good price for it than in listing every time it had got soaked in salt-spray by a gale or that its battery had been bumped on a rock or a high kerb or accidentally dunked in the ocean when a careless/drunk owner was launching a boat.
Not everybody's decent and conscientious and honest. Some people lie. And if having an EV checked by the local dealer is going to cost $400, maybe some people wouldn't bother.
The problem is not the actual threat of thermal incidents; it's not knowing if there's a threat in the first place. It's the uncertainty that does the harm. If flood-zone EVs were commercial passenger jets, they'd be taken out of service until it could be proved - PROVED - that their electrical systems were safe.
ICE cars are different. Their critical systems are out in the open and easy to check. Corroded wires, cracked cables and perished hoses can be replaced by unskilled hands in a weekend.
But EV damage may be invisible. You can't tell. You can't see stress micro-fractures in welds or creases in thin films of insulation. You can't see impact damage to banks of cells in factory-sealed enclosures. You can't be sure that saltwater hasn't found a way inside a bolted connection. You don't know if something's wrong until it happens.
But it may not happen. Probably won't. So you get on with your life and tell yourself that the blesséd prophet Elon will protect you. But would you REALLY want to leave an EV on charge in your garage overnight if you hadn't owned and cared for it from new?
I wouldn't.
If your car is flood effected by salt water why would you be trading it in and not just claiming the insurance? Wouldn’t matter if it was ice or ev it would have water damage . Your write all that and missed the absolute basic .
@@chrisward5626 because you could get more for it that way maybe? Many people just don't do right by others, so you have to expect the worst. That applies to insurers as well. It is highly likely that insurers are going to get tighter on claims as they increase in frequency and severity, which is inevitable. So conning a stranger gets you more than insurance for a minor flood damage that you can't be sure when/ if it will write off your car and house. No brainer for some people
The veil is being lifted!!
Thank you for the wonderful interview. Loving your work.
Thanks for listening
Hopefully the whole truth about lithium ion batteries is made known to the public, and common sense regulations are implemented. Your interview with the good Chief Rice was positive and informative. This sounds like progress to me.
Nobody in their right mind would carry a box of lithium in their trunk. Yet under your seat is somehow okay. 🤷
Well, i used NiMH not those blazeable lithium
You keep a box of lithium in your pocket every day. By your logic you are insane.
Are you?
Incendiary grenades under the seats. Nice.😄😁
Most water damage to battery packs I have heard about is due to water seeping in through the pressure relief vents. The only solution I can think of for that is replacing vents with burst discs and pressurizing (or vacuuming) the pack by a few psi for leak detection.
Very interesting.
Awesome job ! Thanks.
Then you got the hardcore EV fanboys that will tell you how wrong you are until they turn blue in the face and sweep stuff like this underneath the rug
More likely to see weird EV haters who hyper focus on rare instances.
@@TF-Timeswhat rare instance? EVs catching fire when they get wet? EVs are literally the only cars that catch fire when they get wet. It's hilarious. Never in my life have I heard of gas cars catching fire when they get wet. 😂
But "rare"... Hahahahahahaha!!! Keep regurgitating Liberal propaganda
@@TF-Timeswhat's wrong with hating EVs?
@@TF-Timesrare instances that have occurred twice in Florida in as many months? Come on man, you people are just making yourselves look foolish now. Try debating rationally about the reality , and you will be taken more seriously.
Very good.
Can the salting of roads during the winter months effect EV’s?
No
Yep... It'll absolutely affect EVs. The battery case isn't entirely waterproof, which is why they catch fire when they get wet.
Water and electricity don't mix. Add salt, and the results can be shocking!
Look up "pets shocked by manhole covers in winter"
@@TF-TimesYou could make a killing starting up an insurance company to insure all evs, because there's no downside to them.
Eventually, quite possibly, if corrosion of the battery shell allows the outside inside and corrosion starts there
I think that is why, they are asking people prior to a potential flood to move the car to high ground OR to park it in the driveway away from the house. Better to lose a car than to lose a house.
Evening im glad the safty of all fire rescue individuals are your priority and the education of people on what to do with the there EV and recreational idioms that are damaged in a flood . Aka storm surge. Thank you for the good news .As EV go to salvage for disposal facilities is there going to be a tracking of the batteries so the next person will not be able to use the battery? To avoid any problems with the battery 🔋 having trouble.
Even without inundation, sodium ions in "salt air," especially after a hurricane, can enter a poorly sealed battery pack and lead to premature failure. Early Florida Teslas were known for this problem. The ions can be present in the air hundreds of miles from a sea coast.
Tnx
EVs... The cars that catch fire when they get wet.. 😂
Dont allow your Families in these extremely dangerous EVs , no matter what!
A bigger issue is e-bikes and e-scooters.
🤡
It would be greatly preferable if we had direct access to the statistics you guys are referencing, the big thing I'm wondering about right now is vehicle make and model as opposed to just "ev fires", my question is is this ALL ev models? Is this just teslas? Is this just ford failing again, or as usual? GM? Others? Chinese models? American Models? Canadian models? German models?
Broad stroking this discussion with just "ev" is extremely disconcerting.
E. Thank you very much for the discussion, I'm checking out her and your websites now, definitely would like an in-depth and in-detail look at whether this could be a model or make or country regulation issue.
Mostly Teslas, but most of the EVs on the road are Tesla. They have a huge share of the EV market.
Maybe it should be legislated that manufacturers give fire services the data on all batteries in their vehicles by make marque and model so that fire services know what battery chemistry they are dealing with in the event of an incident.
The sheer numbers of EVs are pretty amazing.....and flooded EVs in salt water? Direct short = overheat prolly....
Like Kamala and the Democrat Party this EV madness will soon be over..!!
Thank y'all for taking action and staying on top of things.
I really do like electric vehicles and batteries. But it is very important that we understand and trane people so we can enjoy these things safely.
Has the Transportation Research Board or NTSB started research into EV fires?
Any sacrifice... you suffer ... is worth concealing the fact we have no idea how to achieve net-zero. Unspoken admission of environmental wakoes.
The latest and greatest New Technology isn't always Safe or Effective. Just ask Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo
He never mentioned how many ice vehicles burst into flames. I wonder why??
I’d like to know how many we’re talking about. If it’s thousands, that’s a problem but I don’t get the sense that it’s more than maybe 100 total.
Having more concrete way of gathering the data will benefit everybody. Including EV owners like me.
It’s not many. It’s just that social media makes people think it’s common.
@@TF-Times How many is not many, exactly?
@ I’d guess dozens at most, from this particular hurricane.
If this was common it would impact insurance rates.
I’d be happy to see real data it anyone has it though. Usually it’s just people who don’t like EVs complaining about them instead.
Has anybody tried a buy back for used lithium batteries , make it worth wile for people to recycle . Put a dollar value on the problems of Not recycling .
$50.00 per kg or $ 25.00 per Lbs as a starting point , possibly double that until most of the batteries produced are recycled .
I'm not a save the earth kind of person But lets reduce the damage caused by the fires that these batteries cause .
I wonder how many domestic storage batteries caught fire? The sort commonly used with solar panels, often Tesla Li-Ion packs.
Seems odd that nobody ever talks about hydrogen fires, except maybe people who remember the Hindenburg.
Trouble is you can't put out EV batteries
Very good.