I just wish he hadnt delayed playing the modern piano after playing the "Mozart era" piano. Comparing the two a-b, a-b, works best when you play them back to back, not a and then five minutes later, b.
Level of detail for casual, interested viewer: perfect. Presenter's knowledge of subject: perfect. Camera operator showing the content clearly and not trying to make a name for himself in Hollywood via an educational video: perfect.
Beethoven frequently wrote letters to piano makers asking them to make stronger, louder pianos and it always makes me sad Beethoven never got to hear a modern steinway because a Steinway is literally everything he wanted in a piano.
Of course they will, as anyone who has ever watched a Warner Brothers cartoon can attest. And do you know what sound they make if you drop one into a coal mine? A flat "miner." (Sorry. Couldn't help it.)
No all of you are, wrong, Mozart is wealthy back then which is why, his songs are happy, but Chopin lived in a revolutionary period which triggered his emotions to write music
Can you imagine Debussy on that Viennese piano? With that moderator, the arpeggios would just flow together like a dreamy breeze. Thank you, Mr. Schrader! This is as concise and informative as it is enjoyable!
I was a student just killing time by practicing the Waldstein Beethoven sonata before a choir concert at Governer's State University in Illinois. David Schrader was there for some reason, and excitedly exclaimed "the Waldstein!" He said something nice about how I was playing it and left me alone. He is one of the kindest teachers I remember, and also THE most talented. David Schrader is better at any keyboard than 99.9 percent of keyboardists.
He looks like a nice guy. You get a good feeling about him even just watching the video. He seems like a highly intelligent, but thoughtful person who is passionate about these instruments. And those hands! They look so graceful and he touches each instrument with respect and care.
Agree. I also have no problem listening to him as I have with some other people on this channel. They got some accent that makes it harder to detect what they say. I'm not English speaker so clear pronunciation is precious to me. My ears can't decode muffled sounds of some people's speech as native speakers do. Though I believe that sometimes they got same trouble as well.
The Steinway piano is horrifying, it is all I ever heard growing up and in church and it is so muffled and lacking clarity I fear it might’ve stifled my IQ level.
You trade a layered distinct quality for lushness and depth. Would be great to make an instrument that combined the two somehow. I did enjoy the Mozart better on the clav.
I think thats because classical composers like mozart were much closer to composers like bach who used the harpsichord so they were more influenced by boroque style which was all about precision, and counterpoint, not dynamics and warmth which is more of a romantic thing for expressing emotion. I dont really know tho.... just my hypothesis.
What do you mean by "clarity." I didn't hear more clarity from the older piano. I heard about the same clarity from each. I didn't perceive a lot of warmth from the big Steinway. I thought the tone of the older piano had more warmth. The Steinway's tone was rather aggressive, strident. What is warmth though? I actually like the tone on the older piano, the one that didn't have 500 pounds of cast iron making sure that the 20 tons of tension from the strings didn't make the device flex, bend like the wooden device used to send arrows on their way. I think with the older piano, the tone dropped off more gradually. A note on the Steinway dropped off rather suddenly, dropped off quite soon after the string was struck, to a point, got rather low, and then dropped off slowly. The old piano dropped off more evenly. By the way "piano" is an abbreviation for clavichord con piano e forte. That is, clavichord with the ability to speak both softly and loudly. Meaning that the original clavichord, no matter how hard you struck the key, it produced the same loudness (not very loud). The improved clavichord had the ability to play loud as well as soft, and the Steinway, supposedly the most improved, had the ability to play just as soft, but also rather louder. But not 7 times as loud even though it weights maybe 7 times as much. That is a monstrously large piece of cast iron it has inside. Incidentally, if I recall correctly, between the old piano and the steinway were intermediate pianos which had several smaller pieces of cast iron instead of one, large casting - for which the technology to make had not arrived yet.
I always love that powerful sound a Steinway grand piano makes. I've got a baby grand at my mum's house, but then you get on one of those beautiful big Steinways, especially in an auditorium designed for classical music concerts, and they just blow you away!
You can really hear the harpsichord's sound influence in the earlier piano, It's got a hint of that twangy sound that the harpsichord has, but as more of a buzz than a twang. Nowadays, "twangy" is the last thing people think of when they hear "piano". It's cool to see how musical taste can change instruments over time, likely without anyone actually noticing. That felt insert needs a comeback, though.
Three years late, but it still exists in some uprights as a "so neighbours won't kill you for practicing at night" option. It really gives a different tone, mine sounds a lot like an electric piano's bass in the second octave. It's really fun to play around with.
THIS video is perfect, a lot of demonstrations, comparisons, history and mechanism explanations. Unlike the Viola de gamba and the Violin ones, I really wish they were as good as this one.
At the end of the lesson, I would have enjoyed hearing the same baroque piece played on each of these instruments, in rapid succession and without commentary, so I could get a better feeling for the tone and character of each.
@@ThiloAbend actually they would use a paint that dosen't blend with the original paint in case they mess something up and need to use solvent to clean it off
Oh, no, you're not the only one. I'm not myself an specialist, nor a harpsichordist, but I feel, like David, that each instrument is related to a certain and/or specific music. Each instrument evokes something peculiar, and brings a singular atmosphere. I can't say that I prefer the older instruments, all I can say is that they thrill me. That's part of the mistery and the miracle of music
After hearing the sonata on the modern piano, hearing it again on the pianoforte was quite interesting. It sounds clearer, brighter, like a chirping bird. It's really nice to hear how Mozart would've heard his sonata, it almost sounded more Mozart-ey? I don't know, the sound just fits better on the pianoforte. The piano makes it sound more beautiful (I would love to hear an actual German Steinway in person someday), but it seems like something is lost. Very interesting video. Shame it's doesn't have the attention it deserves.
Yes!! Something is lost. The modern pianos are "neutral" instruments, that is what he already says, that the sound tone color does not vary. So even if it's a more beautiful sound it lost power.
I came across this video while listening to Bach on the harpsichord. I have played the piano for 50 years, and did not know the history of the instrument. Many thanks to BaroqueBand for these most informative videos. I want these keyboards in my home!
I'm hard pressed to say that the modern piano sounds "better" than the old one. The sound certainly has fewer imperfections. But that old piano sounds fantastic. Perhaps its because I'm not used to it, but the old one has character that the new one doesn't.
The modern piano seems to me a very industrial product whereas the older version is more organic and sensitive. My favorite is the harpsichord with it's clarity - great for Bach!
How is it underrated? It is the most studied instrument in the world, the instrument for which most compositions are written, and the most widespread instrument.
I'm not a pianist, I am not really into classical music though I do admire a lot of it, I am not really into pianos ... I watched the whole thing, both videos and loved it. Wonderfully explained and a treat to listen to. I really love the sound of the south german / vienna style kind of pianos. Best 20 minutes of the day so far. Thank you and everyone that made this possible.
It's my dream to get my fingers on every one of these instruments one day. I love the sound of all of them, they're all so beautiful! I'm really not sure if I could ever find an actual clavichord, but who knows...
Excellent. This man is a first rate keyboard player, and a very good musician, unlike other people on TH-cam who talk about pianos, and demonstrate the instruments lamentably.
8:29 This applies to all instruments (not just Keyboards, but also Woodwinds, Strings, Brass, Percussion, even Singing) because by studying how the historical instruments worked, it'll modify your approach to make for a clearer, nicer performance on the modern instruments.
I agree with all of you about the beauty of the piano-forte! When he plays the excerpt from the Mozart sonata, that tone color variation when he suddenly hits the keys stronger in the F - G - B part is just beautiful! The modern piano just can't emulate this. This is really a problem of the modern piano.
My piano teacher had a pump organ which she sometimes allowed me to play. I like playing it, even though I had to constantly pump the foot pedals to power it, because it had such beautiful sound.
I think that the modern piano sounds a little bit colder than the Viennese one, if that makes sense. Not worse, just different. I love all of the instruments presented.
I realize this series is about Baroque instruments, but it would have been cool to have a part 3, that covers the modern electro mechanical pianos, like the Fender Rhodes, the Clavinet, and Yamaha electric grand. It's also worth pointing out that modern fully electronic pianos/keyboards can be set up to have different sounds when played harder/softer, like the older style acoustic piano. Modern keyboards can play an astonishingly wide variety of high quality sounds, that I would love to see put in the hands of the great composers of the past.
I like the clavichord. It always reminds me of Handel’s claim that, as a young boy, his father would never let him play music and that he would have to sneak away into his attic and play it by candle light.
You can tell why Mozart composed the way he did, given the style of instrument he had to work with. I think my favorite keyed instruments has got to be a toss up between the harpsichord and the celesta.
I think the best music is written because of the constraints. They try to get every bit out of the instrument whereas a modern piano might make them miss the big picture. If that makes sense... Also the modern piano might have more notes and a way to play both hard and soft, it has less options because of the intonation as shown in the video. I'm quite glad the old masters used the instruments they did.
He wrote for the texture he had and it shows. Original/authentic instrumental performance of early music often sounds better than modern because the music suits the instruments. If you ever get a chance to listen to the Mozart Symphonies performed by Christopher Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music, I’d suggest it - I think they sound better than modern orchestra for the same reason you like the fortepiano. But I find that phenomenon stops at Mozart. Beethoven wrote so big he usually sounds better on modern orchestras and modern pianos. The modern piano sustain sings better for slow passages like the first movement of the Moonlight or the middle movement of the Pathetique. What I find interesting about experimenting with Beethoven on a fortepiano is that his big stuff goes from sounding dramatic on a modern piano to sounding melodramatic on a fortepiano. The drama on the older instrument almost resembles silent movie music - you get more drama by exaggerating the crap out of it, which utterly wouldn’t work on a Steinway or Bosendorfer. In other words, the instrument affects the logic of the performance.
You can buy fortepianos from various harpsichord makers, or if you use sampling software (or better, modeling, like Modartt Pianoteq) with a MIDI keyboard and sound interface + speakers, you can get a very good simulation of a range of historic instruments, including a clavichord, several harpsichords, and several early pianos.
God forbid that Steinway should start making fortepianos. Patented this and that, flange seats that wouldn't fit any other fortepiano, and then sales staff referring to their competition as "fortepiano-shaped objects".
+Eduard Ritok Lol, maybe the price of ebony shot up terribly over time :D I'm joking, but it might actually be true, since it's always been exotic and/or high quality materials (i.e. expensive) used for crucial parts of musical instruments.
+ThyerHazard I am a violin maker (amateur) and I'm always glad when I' delivered Brown ebony or ebony with flaws (black ebony with Brown viens). it makes for a waaay more interesting looking instrument. I'd love to get white ebony someday.
Thanks so much for this video. I found it very instructive and straight forward. Well done to the maker of the video, the presenter, and the person who recorded it. Cheers.
The presenter is great, like a rare combination of engineer and artist.
Exactly my thought, he's does a great job!
And historian
I just wish he hadnt delayed playing the modern piano after playing the "Mozart era" piano.
Comparing the two a-b, a-b, works best when you play them back to back, not a and then five minutes later, b.
aber00all
Good point
4:28 6:41
Every engineer is a artist but not a musician
He's a totally natural lecturer, clear diction, interesting accessible and not patronising. Hope to hear more from him
Love that he never sounded flat, or bored. INTEREST in the subject makes a presenter much more interesting to listen to also!
Level of detail for casual, interested viewer: perfect. Presenter's knowledge of subject: perfect. Camera operator showing the content clearly and not trying to make a name for himself in Hollywood via an educational video: perfect.
Beethoven frequently wrote letters to piano makers asking them to make stronger, louder pianos and it always makes me sad Beethoven never got to hear a modern steinway because a Steinway is literally everything he wanted in a piano.
Damn
when he sat down and started playing that steinway the first thing i though was "damn, the greatest composers will never hear that"
Wait, Beethoveen died??
+Alec Driscoll Do you know which Piano Beethoveen had? I really wanna see the model he uses
He had been dead for about 200 years
Never drop them off a stage. They will IMPLODE
I laughed more than I should at that 😂
Of course they will, as anyone who has ever watched a Warner Brothers cartoon can attest.
And do you know what sound they make if you drop one into a coal mine?
A flat "miner."
(Sorry. Couldn't help it.)
@@stevejordan7275 Do you know the sound a banjo makes when you toss it in a dumpster? The best sound in the world.
How does a piano implode🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@zechariahhye926 let's hope we never find out lmao
Now I understand why Mozart music is happier than Chopin
Chopin's pianos were quite different than modern pianos, the dynamic range wasn't as great as the Steinway and the sound was warmer
Mozart party animal🤗😋
No all of you are, wrong, Mozart is wealthy back then which is why, his songs are happy, but Chopin lived in a revolutionary period which triggered his emotions to write music
@@michaeljohndadd545 Chopin lived with a Patreon, Wolfgang did not.
@@mrkitty777 true but he would not compose revolutionary pieces if there waa no revolutionary war
Can you imagine Debussy on that Viennese piano? With that moderator, the arpeggios would just flow together like a dreamy breeze.
Thank you, Mr. Schrader! This is as concise and informative as it is enjoyable!
I was a student just killing time by practicing the Waldstein Beethoven sonata before a choir concert at Governer's State University in Illinois. David Schrader was there for some reason, and excitedly exclaimed "the Waldstein!" He said something nice about how I was playing it and left me alone. He is one of the kindest teachers I remember, and also THE most talented. David Schrader is better at any keyboard than 99.9 percent of keyboardists.
He looks like a nice guy. You get a good feeling about him even just watching the video. He seems like a highly intelligent, but thoughtful person who is passionate about these instruments.
And those hands! They look so graceful and he touches each instrument with respect and care.
I read your comment in his voice he seems like a nice guy
Very good narrator - interesting to listen. Thanks so much for your videos!
@dbltrplx Really? He gives us all this great information and that's all you can say? Ingrate.
Agree. I also have no problem listening to him as I have with some other people on this channel. They got some accent that makes it harder to detect what they say. I'm not English speaker so clear pronunciation is precious to me. My ears can't decode muffled sounds of some people's speech as native speakers do. Though I believe that sometimes they got same trouble as well.
This guy sounds amazing on all of them! What a nice player
ALL history should be taught this interestingly by a guy this interesting. Then maybe we Americans would not be so habitually REPEATING it.
Skilled musician, skilled communicator.
Thanks youtube for making this 10 years old video appear in my recommended section at 2 a.m.
Jump from 4:18 to 6:37 to hear the difference between the Viennese piano and the modern Steinway piano playing Mozart.
What a huge difference. They sound so different.
Thank you for doing this. I really enjoyed that video but by the time the professor got to the piano, I already forgot the sound of the fortepiano.
The Steinway piano is horrifying, it is all I ever heard growing up and in church and it is so muffled and lacking clarity I fear it might’ve stifled my IQ level.
You trade a layered distinct quality for lushness and depth. Would be great to make an instrument that combined the two somehow. I did enjoy the Mozart better on the clav.
the fortepiano sounds so much cooler! Super funky. The modern piano tone is too sleepy.
The old piano had much better clarity, whilst the newer one has a much warmer and richer sound.
I think thats because classical composers like mozart were much closer to composers like bach who used the harpsichord so they were more influenced by boroque style which was all about precision, and counterpoint, not dynamics and warmth which is more of a romantic thing for expressing emotion. I dont really know tho.... just my hypothesis.
I prefer the old one. It's clearer, cleaner and more joyful. That's my kind of instrument.
Yeah. For me, as a tailor, the difference in hearing is the old piano sounds like taffeta and the Steinway sounds like satin. I enjoy both.
I agree. The older 58 key piano has better definition and character. The Steinway just sounds very mono now.
What do you mean by "clarity." I didn't hear more clarity from the older piano. I heard about the same clarity from each. I didn't perceive a lot of warmth from the big Steinway. I thought the tone of the older piano had more warmth. The Steinway's tone was rather aggressive, strident. What is warmth though? I actually like the tone on the older piano, the one that didn't have 500 pounds of cast iron making sure that the 20 tons of tension from the strings didn't make the device flex, bend like the wooden device used to send arrows on their way. I think with the older piano, the tone dropped off more gradually. A note on the Steinway dropped off rather suddenly, dropped off quite soon after the string was struck, to a point, got rather low, and then dropped off slowly. The old piano dropped off more evenly. By the way "piano" is an abbreviation for clavichord con piano e forte. That is, clavichord with the ability to speak both softly and loudly. Meaning that the original clavichord, no matter how hard you struck the key, it produced the same loudness (not very loud). The improved clavichord had the ability to play loud as well as soft, and the Steinway, supposedly the most improved, had the ability to play just as soft, but also rather louder. But not 7 times as loud even though it weights maybe 7 times as much. That is a monstrously large piece of cast iron it has inside. Incidentally, if I recall correctly, between the old piano and the steinway were intermediate pianos which had several smaller pieces of cast iron instead of one, large casting - for which the technology to make had not arrived yet.
I always love that powerful sound a Steinway grand piano makes. I've got a baby grand at my mum's house, but then you get on one of those beautiful big Steinways, especially in an auditorium designed for classical music concerts, and they just blow you away!
the moderator is such a lovely part of the piano, i wish they'd bring it back.
I motion to bring back the moderator damper! That sounded so beautiful; much better than simply shifting over the hammers.
You can really hear the harpsichord's sound influence in the earlier piano, It's got a hint of that twangy sound that the harpsichord has, but as more of a buzz than a twang.
Nowadays, "twangy" is the last thing people think of when they hear "piano".
It's cool to see how musical taste can change instruments over time, likely without anyone actually noticing.
That felt insert needs a comeback, though.
Three years late, but it still exists in some uprights as a "so neighbours won't kill you for practicing at night" option. It really gives a different tone, mine sounds a lot like an electric piano's bass in the second octave. It's really fun to play around with.
Fazioli has the felt
I really like the felt sound
For comparing the Mozart:
Pianoforte demonstration: 4:27
Modern Piano demonstration: 6:41
Thank you! A bit too much talking between those two demonstrations in the video (all good info, just sorry it came between the two demonstrations...)
Song?
Yes by the time he stopped talking I forgot what the older piano sounded like.
@Dugunthi Does anyone know from whom the intro is?
Thanks
THIS video is perfect, a lot of demonstrations, comparisons, history and mechanism explanations. Unlike the Viola de gamba and the Violin ones, I really wish they were as good as this one.
3:09 so beautiful.... So sad we do not have that moderator in modern pianos.
What does this moderator do exactly? I didn't get it
Mine does, it's a layer of felt introduced between the hammers and the strings. I say modern, it's over 100 yo, and I love it.
Mine does and it was built in the 1910’s.
@@Wolfganger Is it an upright???
At the end of the lesson, I would have enjoyed hearing the same baroque piece played on each of these instruments, in rapid succession and without commentary, so I could get a better feeling for the tone and character of each.
I stumbled into this click hole and stayed for both parts. Fascinating.
That pedal feature at 3:10 sounds gorgeous wow 😮
IKR sounds beuatiful
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Yesss!!!!
8:23 "After all, you wouldn't necessarily restore an old oil painting with acrylic paint!" Nice Gustav Leonhardt quotation!
The problem with the quotation is that there isn't any real reason not to restore an old oil painting with acrylic paint.
@@olensoifer9901 there are several
@@ThiloAbend actually they would use a paint that dosen't blend with the original paint in case they mess something up and need to use solvent to clean it off
Oh, no, you're not the only one. I'm not myself an specialist, nor a harpsichordist, but I feel, like David, that each instrument is related to a certain and/or specific music. Each instrument evokes something peculiar, and brings a singular atmosphere. I can't say that I prefer the older instruments, all I can say is that they thrill me. That's part of the mistery and the miracle of music
Beautifully said ❤
it's nice to hear the history from someone who can play. The first piano had a character that is really nice.
Well, now I have a need to see a modern piano implode.
Ahahahahahahahahaha
I've often thought the same. Imagining what he truly wished and then accomplished using a modern Steinway...dare to dream.
Yeah same ... :)
What a wonderful mini-course on the development of the piano. I learned so much. Thank you.
Wow that old type of piano sounds beautiful!
i agree, very harmonious
This video turn five years old today and is still awesome to watch
Its Ten years now :) and still the same
After hearing the sonata on the modern piano, hearing it again on the pianoforte was quite interesting. It sounds clearer, brighter, like a chirping bird. It's really nice to hear how Mozart would've heard his sonata, it almost sounded more Mozart-ey? I don't know, the sound just fits better on the pianoforte.
The piano makes it sound more beautiful (I would love to hear an actual German Steinway in person someday), but it seems like something is lost. Very interesting video. Shame it's doesn't have the attention it deserves.
what piece was that? please help me
Elikem Seake-Kwawu Sonata no 10, 2nd movement
Yes!! Something is lost. The modern pianos are "neutral" instruments, that is what he already says, that the sound tone color does not vary. So even if it's a more beautiful sound it lost power.
I would disagree that it lost power though, I mean the piano sounds way more powerful. Both sounds beautiful to me, just very different characters! :)
Xyla A I agree it had a brighter sound.
I came across this video while listening to Bach on the harpsichord. I have played the piano for 50 years, and did not know the history of the instrument. Many thanks to BaroqueBand for these most informative videos. I want these keyboards in my home!
Miki Osep Bach himself in the harpsichord? lol
I play harpsichord as a continuo instrument, but sacrilege or no, I prefer the solo music to be played on the piano.
I need a Harpsichord
I used to want one too. Something so graceful about it.
The sound of it is beauty beyond compare.
Contact David, he was the harpsichordist (with his own instrument) for our Restoration Comedy Play)
www.dylansauerwald.com/bio-encore/
I've never been a big fan of its timbre. To each their own, though.
Lots of maintenance required. Tuning, regulating (evening the action), watching swings in humidity. Have fun, though.
What a great lecturer. I could listen to him for hours
Never cared about the subject. The passionate way in which is explained made me watch the whole thing.
I'm hard pressed to say that the modern piano sounds "better" than the old one. The sound certainly has fewer imperfections. But that old piano sounds fantastic. Perhaps its because I'm not used to it, but the old one has character that the new one doesn't.
I know! It's like something's lost somehow. I do love the modern piano though...
+Xyla A Isnt it like a normal Guitar sound?
Its vibrations definitely add some texture
It really doesn't. The modern piano is far more expressive. Not everything older is better.
The modern piano seems to me a very industrial product whereas the older version is more organic and sensitive. My favorite is the harpsichord with it's clarity - great for Bach!
Definitely a true musician who’s vast knowledge with his chosen instrument...
That steinway he uses for the video is amazing
Sir, you are good teacher. Well done and nice video.
the fortepiano is very underrated in my opinion.
How is it underrated?
It is the most studied instrument in the world, the instrument for which most compositions are written, and the most widespread instrument.
The FortePiano is Piano. It is just the old Piano, It is not a different instrument.
I AM SO VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR TEACHING STYLE .... GREAT JOB
I agree, he is a very good teacher and is easy to understand!:)
Yes! I will "eat everything on the plate", thank you! You have my gratitude.
I'm not a pianist, I am not really into classical music though I do admire a lot of it, I am not really into pianos ... I watched the whole thing, both videos and loved it. Wonderfully explained and a treat to listen to. I really love the sound of the south german / vienna style kind of pianos. Best 20 minutes of the day so far. Thank you and everyone that made this possible.
This is a WONDERFUL presentation! I can’t wait to share it with my students! 🎹❤️💕 THANK YOU!!!
When comparing two sounds, it's best to keep them close together. I can't remember the sound of the first one after 30 seconds.
The narrator is right to be proud of these videos. Excellent.
This is the best spent TH-cam time of my life. I love the Mozart's replica style piano.
The Steinway sounds absolutely lovely, as if the first piano were being played in a cathedral.
Thank you for the comparison.
It's my dream to get my fingers on every one of these instruments one day. I love the sound of all of them, they're all so beautiful! I'm really not sure if I could ever find an actual clavichord, but who knows...
Me too it would be nice to get our hands on the old piano, it sounds like heaven! :)
Bro! Your piano playing is more musical than some pros. I demand you record a Sonata on the beautiful Steinway
I love it when someone has a passion and knows their onions. what a pleasure to watch and learn
I really wish they’d bring back the felt moderator. It sounds like a rainy day lullaby.
i think some upright pianos have a middle pedal with this effect
Agree :)
I love te early Piano with its tone colour change ! Would love to hear some Jazz music played on this!
That Steinway is ringing with those NEW strings. What a sound. Great video.
Thoroughly enjoyed! Thanks for this presentation! This is evidence of real magic.
Fantastic couple of videos! Thank you, sir!
beautiful instruments
Excellent. This man is a first rate keyboard player, and a very good musician, unlike other people on TH-cam who talk about pianos, and demonstrate the instruments lamentably.
I just really love how the harpsichord sounds.
can't beat the sound of a steinway.
8:29 This applies to all instruments (not just Keyboards, but also Woodwinds, Strings, Brass, Percussion, even Singing) because by studying how the historical instruments worked, it'll modify your approach to make for a clearer, nicer performance on the modern instruments.
Great pianist, gentle touch. Very knowledgeable, thanks!
I like how enthusiastic he is. He really brings the music history to life!
4:45 Horowitz played that Sonata in Moscow in 1986, as some may recall. It's truly great.
Wich sonata is it?
Mozart - Piano Sonata No.10 in C Major, K330@@_alexcr
I agree with all of you about the beauty of the piano-forte! When he plays the excerpt from the Mozart sonata, that tone color variation when he suddenly hits the keys stronger in the F - G - B part is just beautiful! The modern piano just can't emulate this. This is really a problem of the modern piano.
A vast subject from which a huge amount of information has been skilfully condensed into two short episodes. Well done.
Love the sound of the Harpsichord
"the fuozzy sideeee"
smalin, I felt the same way. Luckily, these new-fangled videe-oes have a progress bar that you can slide back.
7:43 I thought he was about to play Master of Puppets!
best presenter, I was hooked with the tremendous clarity of his explanation
This was great! Nice to be able to compare the sounds of the different instruments. Thanks for taking the time to make this!
Here's a video with the fortepiano and modern grand piano contrasted side by side: th-cam.com/video/C23DFAqpDO8/w-d-xo.html
very nice!
@@matteomagurno3068 There are 108 Key Pianos
I rather like the older piano. It has a beautiful tone.
My piano teacher had a pump organ which she sometimes allowed me to play. I like playing it, even though I had to constantly pump the foot pedals to power it, because it had such beautiful sound.
What a fabulous set of videos. Total pleasure to hear Schrader speak about his passion!
The sound of the older piano is very beautiful and colourful compared to the Steinway. The Steinway sounds mellower.
The best sounding replica I have ever heard I wonder who made that copy of the Anton Walter?
The Mozart period piano has a far cozier and more colorful sound that the modern piano; the tone is considerably more engaging and romantic, too.
This was a magnificent series. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this little series. Lots of interesting details about these beautiful instruments :)
Baroque music is the best. As I always say, if it's not Baroque, don't fix it!
6:28 *Note to self:* Push a piano off a stage.
Love these videos. Anything historical involving art, music, & literature!
Thank you for the lesson. I really enjoyed it and I learned a lot. You are so well versed in music and history. You were a pleasure to watch!
I think that the modern piano sounds a little bit colder than the Viennese one, if that makes sense. Not worse, just different. I love all of the instruments presented.
I realize this series is about Baroque instruments, but it would have been cool to have a part 3, that covers the modern electro mechanical pianos, like the Fender Rhodes, the Clavinet, and Yamaha electric grand.
It's also worth pointing out that modern fully electronic pianos/keyboards can be set up to have different sounds when played harder/softer, like the older style acoustic piano.
Modern keyboards can play an astonishingly wide variety of high quality sounds, that I would love to see put in the hands of the great composers of the past.
I disagree. After a few months on an electric piano I missed my real one, so the electric piano with all its fancy voices and tricks now gathers dust.
I like the clavichord. It always reminds me of Handel’s claim that, as a young boy, his father would never let him play music and that he would have to sneak away into his attic and play it by candle light.
That was wonderful, part one and two. You were wonderful too - I learned a great deal. Many thanks indeed. Cheers
You can tell why Mozart composed the way he did, given the style of instrument he had to work with. I think my favorite keyed instruments has got to be a toss up between the harpsichord and the celesta.
Imagine what masterpieces we would have if the old masters had access to modern pianos.
What a bunch of CRAP! The old masters ALREADY left us so many MASTERPIECES without using a modern piano FCOL
Try to think out-of-the-box!
I think the best music is written because of the constraints. They try to get every bit out of the instrument whereas a modern piano might make them miss the big picture.
If that makes sense...
Also the modern piano might have more notes and a way to play both hard and soft, it has less options because of the intonation as shown in the video.
I'm quite glad the old masters used the instruments they did.
Or synthesizers, or composition softwares... ;D
Nah, that sounds bad.
Modern pianos also have constraints. It's just the desired strengths and constraints which have changed over the centuries.
the older piano has a straightforward sound where as the new one is softer and warm
I could listen to that Steinway all day and still yearn for more.
Same
I prefer the old piano :) At least for mozart
Yup, was thinking just that!
I agree as well.
Yes. It really brings the sound of it forward.
He wrote for the texture he had and it shows. Original/authentic instrumental performance of early music often sounds better than modern because the music suits the instruments. If you ever get a chance to listen to the Mozart Symphonies performed by Christopher Hogwood and the Academy of Ancient Music, I’d suggest it - I think they sound better than modern orchestra for the same reason you like the fortepiano.
But I find that phenomenon stops at Mozart. Beethoven wrote so big he usually sounds better on modern orchestras and modern pianos. The modern piano sustain sings better for slow passages like the first movement of the Moonlight or the middle movement of the Pathetique.
What I find interesting about experimenting with Beethoven on a fortepiano is that his big stuff goes from sounding dramatic on a modern piano to sounding melodramatic on a fortepiano. The drama on the older instrument almost resembles silent movie music - you get more drama by exaggerating the crap out of it, which utterly wouldn’t work on a Steinway or Bosendorfer. In other words, the instrument affects the logic of the performance.
Oh, come on😒 maybe a little bit for mozart but, no
I like the original style of piano. Steinway should sell them.
You can buy fortepianos from various harpsichord makers, or if you use sampling software (or better, modeling, like Modartt Pianoteq) with a MIDI keyboard and sound interface + speakers, you can get a very good simulation of a range of historic instruments, including a clavichord, several harpsichords, and several early pianos.
God forbid that Steinway should start making fortepianos. Patented this and that, flange seats that wouldn't fit any other fortepiano, and then sales staff referring to their competition as "fortepiano-shaped objects".
Paul McNulty is probably the best fortepiano builder out there if you can afford his instruments. He used to work at Steinway.
It does not get much better than this! Terrific! Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge.
Great video and beautiful music. Thank you!
What's the name of the piece at the beginning and the end?? I need to know
When and why did they reverse the black and white key colors on the keyboard, anyone?
+Van Hollingsworth I am wondering too
+Eduard Ritok
Lol, maybe the price of ebony shot up terribly over time :D I'm joking, but it might actually be true, since it's always been exotic and/or high quality materials (i.e. expensive) used for crucial parts of musical instruments.
+Viktor Volarić Horvat Well I don't think it was more exotic or expensive than ivory...
+ThyerHazard I am a violin maker (amateur) and I'm always glad when I' delivered Brown ebony or ebony with flaws (black ebony with Brown viens). it makes for a waaay more interesting looking instrument. I'd love to get white ebony someday.
It's purely aesthetic
These videos were great and it was really fun to see the inner workings of the period instruments.
Thanks so much for this video. I found it very instructive and straight forward. Well done to the maker of the video, the presenter, and the person who recorded it. Cheers.