The one with Vivek and Zizek is much better. This talk just demonstrates what we all already can taste in the air-- that there isn't a workable plan for a Leftist political program in the United States that can produce GDP growth and rates sufficient as to not to cause an economic and social holocaust. We have to milk the globalist, financialist megalith to create enough growth to fuel the consumer spending economy or else (in theory) lots and lots of the working class people that Chomsky claims to advocate for are going to die or have their life expectancies diminished through poverty and malnutrition. We need to think of solutions that will grant normal people a means of upward economic placement and get past the idea that the working class people in the United States (or throughout the world) are going to spontaneously organize themselves peacefully into cooperative groups and take over the economic system. May 68' demonstrates just how little it takes to buy off the working classes. It will take even less when they're hungry and disenfranchised. Panem et Circenses. It's not class warfare. It's actual warfare but in a jig-saw puzzle. Interests are skewed across class lines as it's unclear where economic and military interests begin and end. The international social order is unironically Sicilian.
It will be a very sad day when Chomsky is no longer with us, which, unfortunately, will be way too soon. Thankfully Vijay will be with us for a long time, the world needs more people like them.
I normally find long contextualized questions annoying but after this host, I'm realizing most people are just bad at it. She did amazing!! I listened to every word very carefully.
Vijay prashad and Noam Chomsky didn't need an interviewer to bestow their wisdom on us they could have just chosen to do it spontaneously Interviewers are just people sometimes with access and sometimes we should question them for that It could be suspicious
It is refreshing to watch and listen to this presentation. Ariella, Vijay and Noam form a troika in perpetuity... The student, the scholar, and the wise man.
Going by Noam's sharp mind, he has many years left to provide wisdom. The man is pushing into his 90s and he is as sharp as a 20 year old! It's actually unreal.
Rubbish. The one sided nature of their argument is for all to see. Although Putin is an actual Godfather . He is a Human not an imperialist government so he is O.K. Isn't Putin's control of the eastern part of the continent an imperialist adventure. Just because the Russian Empire is a ramshackle kleptocracy means we should ignore it. I used to admire Chomsky. He is not being fair and balanced. He has downgraded himself to virtually a Russian propagandist. Chomsky going on with Russell Brand was bad taste. Chomsky himself has become a conspiracy theorist .with Brand he was trying to show how censorship in the U.S Is worse than that of Nazi Germany. Just garbage
Yeah ! But bloking them economically give a sense to the regular People that " that system " doesn't work! [ why not allow them to trade freely and allow the " System" work? ) meaning current situation give a false or inaccurate impression that is favorable for the Corporate Capitalism like " Better" system. Why not allow they implemented freely implement the way they want to live and trade???
What an in-depth and thorough discussion between two most outstanding scholars, on the prevailing precarious world situation. The depth of cruelty and shamelessness of the self-proclaimed exceptionalist is simply beyond comprehension !
As a citizen of the united states of america I have to make huge efforts to get accurate legitimate news from all over the globe. These gentlemen are brilliant and assist me enormously. I'm so grateful for their analysis
US vs Cuba is a very sad situation. What a courageous people, the Cubans are! And China is playing a very wise, long game! US is showing how weak minded we have become.
I love Chomsky but the main reason Taiwan needs that sand is not for concrete but because that's where the silicon in computer chips comes from. Taiwan makes most of the chips and if they don't have the main ingredient the chip shortage (which leads to other shortages) is only going to get worse. Ukraine also exports sand as well as neon and krypton which are needed to make chips.
" The attacks are compliments when the journalists lie about you, defame you, that shows you must be doing something right, so keep at it." -Noam Chomsky
The simple fact that you will never hear conversation like this on main-stream, corporate-owned media should be very disturbing to all. Orwell and Huxley warned us.
Except it's easily available on TH-cam. While it should be, why expect it to be with how mainstream media has operated like this for decades? At some point people are responsible for educating themselves and not getting all their news from CNN or fox. Sadly I'm sure it's all by design. There are tons of free eash to access dialogue and speeches on this platform
@@Zsswimmer1 Yeah, save for the fact that the algorithm will only show this to people who are already within this frame of mind. Mass media is still a very powerful force and one which a huge amount of people get their "information" from.
The Canadian government is using the method of defunding the single payer health system, which Canadian people love, and now privatization talk is getting louder and louder. It’s sickening.
The "world" used to portray Noam as a crazy liberal. Now the world is crazy and Noam is the voice of reason. Thank you for the interview, I learned some new things.
Vijay Prashad is the gift that keeps on giving. India supported Russia in the Ukraine war because India got a juicy discount on the oil Russia sells them. India made sure they got a mutual defense pact (in regard to China's expansionist attitudes) with the United States and now they want to play defense games with China. China does the same with African nations, China gives them nice railroads and sets up plantations to grow food for China and next thing you know, these nations line up to support China in the UN. China shows money can get you friends.
goose and gander Mehitabel. C'est la vie. USA should think about buying friends with nice railroads instead of bombing then into submission and dumping then?
35:00 Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty: _In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_ _No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_ _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._ _In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._ _The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_ _Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._ _"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber *Socialism or [continued] barbarism.*
Hope the west wakes up soon. The silent majority in US and UK needs to do something before it’s too late. US needs to apologise for all the wrongdoings and start afresh. 99% of US has good ppl. This 1% of US is screwing rest of the 99%.
While I think that Prashad's point at the end of the interview was very well made, I also think that it's a little bit of an understatement. My degree is in history & for the last several years I can't help but see similarities between the US & the Ottoman Empire. Like the Ottomans, our decline is entirely avoidable from a strictly materialist perspective... but I think it's also inevitable from a political perspective; which was observed in this discussion. It's not that we're lacking in military power or in corporate dominance, it's that our state institutions have become too dysfunctional & self-serving to respond appropriately to the needs of the people or, indeed, to a changing world. When I hear people talk about American "fragility," it sounds a lot like "sick man of Europe," to me. And once that perception becomes commonplace, it's very difficult to come back from it.
It is corporate dominance in the social and political realms that have made our institutions dysfunctional for us though. They were never set up to bend over backwards for civil society. Nations are just workshops for capital. Also for the elite it is functioning quite well even if its short term no?
@@VivaLaSocialismo Yeah, of course -- the same happened with the Ottoman Empire's ruling class. As time went by & their nominally feudal version of neoliberalism set in, the ruling aristocratic class demanded an increasingly dysfunctional governance in order to satisfy their personal desires.
I went back to Grenada after the US invasion in 1983. I'd lived there for a year 1980 -81. What the US did there was nothing short of criminal; a little, desperately poor country trying to make a go of it for it's people. Tore my heart out. After the US invaded, the country was flooded with cocaine causing even more problems. Never saw cocaine there before that.
35:00 ish, echoed by Ariella at 54:34 ish - Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty: _In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_ _No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_ _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._ _In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._ _The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_ _Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._ It's no coincidence that our bipartisan blackhole "defense" budget passes with ease to implicitly/explicitly enforce this now global financial "order" through the 1,000+ military bases worldwide and toward the perpetual benefit of US corporate/finance capital at the zero-sum cost of the global working class (not to mention the planet that we're consciously destroying at this point...), meanwhile any modest domestic spending bill or god forbid even the most basic of healthcare for the people that actually make the soulless mechanical logic of this life directed/enforced by capitalism at all worth living is callously thrown at the wayside at the mere suggestion. The empire feeds off the republic. To echo Rosa Luxemburg from 1918 Germany, before of course being executed by the freikorps paramilitary (later becoming the SS, shocker) at the behest of Ebert's ostensibly _social democratic_ SPD party, almost immediately resonating the truth of such a succinct political dichotomy which to this day only continues to reverberate its veracity more firmly: *socialism or* [continued] *barbarism* _"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
“Fragile, not in decline…” Thanks for that; it’s so true - the ‘fragile’ part - going all the way back. Beginning with our origin story, we created a collective defense mechanism to shield our eyes from the otherwise clear evidence of harm done. We settled in to a pattern of child-like responses to the monsters we created, to justify our actions. And we wrote our history to embed this meme into our national character - our exceptional ability to identify our enemies, foreign & domestic, as monsters - in support of our never-ending, narcissistic ability to excuse, forgive, forget or deny our bad behavior. The realist school of international relations, including Kissinger, has no problem explaining (nor did Howard Zinn, RIP) America has been an empire continuously since its entrepreneurial & political leaders constructively decided about a year after the British-French 1763 Treaty of Paris ending their major war, incl. the French & Indian War in N. America. Britain suffered thousands of casualties in its effort to protect its subjects in the Atlantic colonies, depleting its treasury in the process (France also). So the people & govts of both were eager for repose & an end to violence. Since the Indians’ consent was key to the treaty’s success, consulting with them, Britain & France realigned & froze in place their claimed territories - thus hopefully ending their aggressive imperial expansion in N. America. Treaty compliance included leaving the Indians alone in a large triangular area bounded, more or less, on the north by the (now) British Canadian territories; on the west by the Mississippi River; and on the east by Appalachian Mountain divide - the western boundary of the Atlantic colonies. Even before ten yrs of war, colonial leaders (George Washington, et al.) had been exploring, surveying & assessing the benefits of taking & developing that vast expanse of ‘empty’ land, following the established European nation-state imperial rules then in effect.
Continued comment here >>> The reader can imagine what happened next - The treaty forbade westward expansion of the 13 colonies into Britain’s claimed land set aside for the Indians. But the colonial elite quickly realized Britain & France were exhausted, unlikely to use force to compel compliance, and that their geographical advantages tipped the scales in favor of the westward expansion they’d planned on all along. So began the American imperial exercise in the form of settler colonialism. Beginning in 1764-65, settlers poured west down the Appalachians. France asked Britain to act to enforce the treaty, Parliament agreed & the Crown issued a proclamation forbidding the treaty violations to no effect. Parliament, viewing increasing colonial resistance as a rebellion and responded by enacting a series of ever-stronger sanctions, which the colonies continued to ignore or resist in the decade up to 1774. At this point, as the possibility of armed conflict became imminent, the rebels generated propaganda demonizing King George as a totalitarian monster, even though Britain’s actions almost to the end were administrative, having the support of large numbers of royalists. The westward colonial settlers were increasingly attached to taking land forbidden by the treaty & killing Indians. Via their posturing & propaganda, had made their treaty violations recede into the fuzzy historical background and turned their fight into a struggle against British tyranny, personified in a dictatorial King George. We’ve been pulling this trick repeatedly ever since to defend & expand the American empire. When we assert the lie that the US has the longest continuous democracy, in the process of writing our origin story, it’s to contrast Britain as the opposing monster determined to suppress colonial freedoms. But the truth is, the British Isles endured monstrous events in the century before its Glorious Revolution in 1688-89 - hundreds of thousands of Scots, Welsh, Irish & English were slaughtered, mostly under the reign of the last two Devine-right kings, Charles I and II (who, unsurprisingly, lost their heads). During that this century, Britain’s African slave shipments to N. America expanded, eg, in 1679, Charles II gave the British W. Africa Co. a 1200-yr charter to run the trade. Given that violent century before the Glorious Revolution, when the dust settled in 1689, Devine-right was dead & Parliament controlled the purse-strings - never to be surrendered. So, after roughly four-score & seven years of maturing British representative govt, it found itself confronted by rebellious colonial-settlers determined to replicate an imperial path that, in the long run, was in fundamental conflict with the democratic ideal.
"Fun" fact: In the very movie The Godfather uncoincidentally, there's a scene which appropriately and pretty plainly highlights "the godfather" analogy being elucidated in this interview as they literally slice up a cake with a frosting image of Cuba on top, much like the parallel European antecedent in carving up African spheres of colonial influence. NATO's "offer you can't refuse" covert enforcement in Operation Gladio also alluded to in The Godfather part 3 if I recall, our global "full spectrum domination" masquerading as a "Pax Americana" is but a thin blood-soaked curtain we can all see but to point out, certainly to do anything to _actually change_ , is (as Noam often puts it) "not well to do". _"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."_ - some guy
A stunningly clear analysis and critique of why we are where we are - and likely will never make progress from that situation. Many thanks to all three of you.
Noam missed the true impact of banning sand imports to Taiwan. That is one of the most important exports of Taiwan is silicon computer chips. I may be wrong, but isn't silicon derived from sand?
I had to rewind to check your point bc I heard Chomsky’s preamble about sand, missed the rest and assumed it was about chips, Foxconn plant, etc. I totally agree w you.
These two men are the light in a very large darkness. One day peoples will listen, read and understand instead of absorbing 1 minute sound bites and click bait msm propaganda and carrying on regardless.
I wouldn't call playing a proxy game with Russia in Ukraine, pumping Ukraine with hi tech weaponry while planting US soldiers in neighbouring countries US withdrawal.
Are you crazy? You didnt defeat no one.... The british gave money to Hitler and you gave him oil to start the war..that is the truth.... 23 Mil russians died...russians..ok....and you came when they already won the war....how many americans died...right..500 000 people..... And also your beloved CIA knew that the japanese were coming to pearl harbour and still let it happen....so please.....stop writing b.s. It is what it is....do you like to hear the truth? No...but it still is the truth.....
@@jacpratt8608 In 2018 Meng Wanchow was attested in Canada for extradition to the US for violating US sanctions of Iran. Two Canadians were arrested in China in retaliation. If Canada released Meng the US would retaliate against Canada. So Canada was caught between trying to please the Dragon and the Elephant. Meng was eventually released in exchange for the two Canadians.
China is trying to get its roots into Canada for sure, same here with the buying of tons of lands. But do people really prefer the idea of a China backed Canada vs the US? Honestly, cause I'm not Canadian and admittedly don't know much about it's inner workings with how badly things are going down here
@@Zsswimmer1 Canada definitely prefers the US over China and has much closer ties both culturally and trade wise. Canada is however trying to increase its trade with other counties like China so as to not become too dependant on US trade which at times becomes protectionist ( eg America 1st). Trade dependence with China also carries risks as China uses trade in exchange for political support. Canada therefore has to be carefully not to poke the Dragon or the Elephant.
@@donmc1950 good point. I just get the feeling that if the ccp is willing to weld its own people's doors shut to get their wholly delusional 'zero COVID policy". Say what you will about our strong arm tactics and gun problems, but Americans and I hope Canadians would not take that at all. There's a great TH-cam channel called advchina that covers the inner workings of china from two guys who used to live their for awhile, very eye opening stuff and it's not coming from a hateful stance, as these guys really like the people and the land itself, just not the CCP.
I'm glad to say I have no idea what the "hobbits listening to the ents" even means. You can try reading Chomsky's books also. You might have to lay off the bad fiction though.
yeah, these days Noam certainly seems to have the perception of the average tree stump...Let's not forget he backed mandatory 'vaccines' and non-'vaxxed' incarcerations..And calls the SMO 'illegal' which technically it ISN'T.
Every layer of this interview is pure gold. I am a transportation planner in a rust belt city. The infrastructure bill, drafted by Team trump, and signed by Team Biden is a wholesale effort to privatize what's left of our public goods. The current fact that Tesla owns 52% of all Level 3 EV chargers and is looking to expend Musk's monopoly with the NEVI funding is terrifying. Already water and power are up for grabs to the lowest bidder as we are seeing in Flint and now Jackson
Prashad wasn't just "just having dialogue with some Chinese intellectuals", his organisation took money from a Chinese state-funded think tank dedicated to promoting denial of Uyghur genocide.
Noam looks better than he has lately. His hair is combed. In the last year whoever takes care of him has been letting Noam appear publicly without basic grooming. As a national treasure, I think his loved ones should try a little harder to maintain his public image.
Seems like de ja vu. Prior to 1914 the British regime had an issue with Germany at the time. The German industrial power and economic power was increasing since 1870 and other nations like America had already displaced Britain and China by 1870 as largest economy. The German scientific revolution and rapid industrial manufacturing capacity and its (then) alliance with Russia before Kaiser Wilhelm ostracised; was deemed a threat. Hence German potential and power had to be removed yet it resulted in mutual destruction of all European empires and rise of America and survival of Soviet Union.
For my simple understanding that the US economy is based on debt rather than productivity AND the greatest reason for printing more money is the military THEN our dollar is backed, not by gold, but by continuing debt based on money for the military. 🤔
I challenged Chomsky in the early 80's at Ohio State. He was criticizing the USA for not doing enough to support the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan - said to be fighting with "rusted muskets". The PDF Regime was heroic - battling the reactionaries at home and abroad - ZIA Regime, Saudi's and as we now know - receiving a billion $ or so from USA annually - training and intel. Point being - this hand-wringing is so typical of Chomsky. So, support the US/NATO narrative about "Serb Ethnic Cleansing", for another example, and bear no responsibility for the horrors of US Bombing to follow. Support the US official version of the 9-11 "Attacks" - then bemoan the "War on Terror". I could go on.
This conversation should be be mandatory viewing for all Americans who want a better world. #Solidarity
Oh what a beautiful idea! The American Public has been so dumbed-down that many cannot see the persistent erosion of the democratic ideal
And also for the majority who doesn't care, because they need it.
The one with Vivek and Zizek is much better. This talk just demonstrates what we all already can taste in the air-- that there isn't a workable plan for a Leftist political program in the United States that can produce GDP growth and rates sufficient as to not to cause an economic and social holocaust. We have to milk the globalist, financialist megalith to create enough growth to fuel the consumer spending economy or else (in theory) lots and lots of the working class people that Chomsky claims to advocate for are going to die or have their life expectancies diminished through poverty and malnutrition. We need to think of solutions that will grant normal people a means of upward economic placement and get past the idea that the working class people in the United States (or throughout the world) are going to spontaneously organize themselves peacefully into cooperative groups and take over the economic system. May 68' demonstrates just how little it takes to buy off the working classes. It will take even less when they're hungry and disenfranchised. Panem et Circenses.
It's not class warfare. It's actual warfare but in a jig-saw puzzle. Interests are skewed across class lines as it's unclear where economic and military interests begin and end. The international social order is unironically Sicilian.
@@herbertdarick7693 they would revile us for saying that lol
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It will be a very sad day when Chomsky is no longer with us, which, unfortunately, will be way too soon. Thankfully Vijay will be with us for a long time, the world needs more people like them.
I don't know, I feel like Noam will just look more and more like a wizened old stone with moss on it and live for ever.
Chomsky will outlive you and I. Do not worry.
Chomsky got a blood transfusion from keith the other day so he's gonna last a bit longer
~we’re so very fortunate to have him with us❤️.
@@hampusheh see ex
The interviewer was also great. Her summaries, just outstanding. She hit the ball out of the park with every question.
I normally find long contextualized questions annoying but after this host, I'm realizing most people are just bad at it. She did amazing!! I listened to every word very carefully.
@@pointyfingers Who is she?
That's Ariella!
An interviewer can only pitch the ball stop worshiping people
Vijay prashad and Noam Chomsky didn't need an interviewer to bestow their wisdom on us
they could have just chosen to do it spontaneously
Interviewers are just people sometimes with access and sometimes we should question them for that
It could be suspicious
It is refreshing to watch and listen to this presentation. Ariella, Vijay and Noam form a troika in perpetuity... The student, the scholar, and the wise man.
Yeah. Agree. I can't stand Jennifer Pan. She's not anti imperialist at all.
The truth feels good but I would expect it to come from Vijay prashad first
students scholars and wise people are my faves!
Student, scholar, prophet.
Agree. I really appreciated the inter-generational vibe in this conversation.
I am forever grateful to you for this discussion. I am 86 and sense that I have been waiting for this sharing of the truth. Thanks and stay strong.
Going by Noam's sharp mind, he has many years left to provide wisdom. The man is pushing into his 90s and he is as sharp as a 20 year old! It's actually unreal.
You’ll never see him use notes for anything 🤯
He is way sharper than a 20 year old.
An excellent and imperative discussion with 2 of the most important contemporary intellectuals today.
I'll agree to that. Gives a perspective what the media won't do.
Rubbish. The one sided nature of their argument is for all to see.
Although Putin is an actual Godfather . He is a Human not an imperialist government so he is O.K. Isn't Putin's control of the eastern part of the continent an imperialist adventure. Just because the Russian Empire is a ramshackle kleptocracy means we should ignore it. I used to admire Chomsky. He is not being fair and balanced. He has downgraded himself to virtually a Russian propagandist. Chomsky going on with Russell Brand was bad taste. Chomsky himself has become a conspiracy theorist .with Brand he was trying to show how censorship in the U.S Is worse than that of Nazi Germany. Just garbage
So excited to watch this. The idea of Vijay and Noam coming together like this is utterly brilliant and this will be the next book I read.
Chomsky is best when he brings up how the USA was always planned to be this way
An Oligarchy (Electoral College/Presidential/Senatorial Republic) instead of a Democracy, Capitalism and Imperialism ?!
@@CyberspacedLoner anything but communist I guess ( but it should be)
@@CyberspacedLoner A boozed-up manifest destiny of slave owners/ white supremacists cut loose with a doctrine of discovery.
This was a great interview! Always enjoy listening to Noam and Vijay speak facts.
Regarding Cuba.
Fidel Castro remarked that only because Cuba had no oil was it allowed to be.
Anaconda Oil Wells (Bush Family) kept out of Cuban Waters.
Yeah ! But bloking them economically give a sense to the regular People that " that system " doesn't work! [ why not allow them to trade freely and allow the " System" work? ) meaning current situation give a false or inaccurate impression that is favorable for the Corporate Capitalism like " Better" system. Why not allow they implemented freely implement the way they want to live and trade???
Loss of "appetite for dialogue and diplomacy" is an excellent observation of current U.S. policy. It complements Chomsky's Godfather analogy.
Great talk, great host, great guests, great show
When Chomsky just brutally went after Pelosi for buffing up her CV I couldnt help but laugh.
He was right, it was a pure egotrip.
@@samdegoeij6576 yup
@ what minute:second?
@@jamesragsdale8202 11:40
Ego and financial profit. She took her son with her who has financial interests as well.
What an in-depth and thorough discussion between two most outstanding scholars, on the prevailing precarious world situation. The depth of cruelty and shamelessness of the self-proclaimed exceptionalist is simply beyond comprehension !
Excellent, rich analysis and evidence, thank you
Amazing interview!!! Thanks so much for sharing!
Been listening Chomsky wherever I can find him ever since 2004 and 'The Corporation' documentary
Me too!
As a citizen of the united states of america I have to make huge efforts to get accurate legitimate news from all over the globe. These gentlemen are brilliant and assist me enormously. I'm so grateful for their analysis
Solving 9-11 By Christopher Bollyn . '
I am very glad to know that you are open minded. I only wish that many more millions of American citizens were similar like yourself.
@@zsmith4853 we are not tankies like the rest of you.
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"huge efforts"
AKA you can't get it spoonfed to you on TV. Quit crying and do some actual work. You live in the heart of empire. Act like it.
Thank you, Ariella. Excellent work!
US vs Cuba is a very sad situation. What a courageous people, the Cubans are! And China is playing a very wise, long game! US is showing how weak minded we have become.
And tell me what more than the profit motive in the USA would make us weak?
Is China interacting with Cuba these days? Might be a good tit for tat though the Senate would go berzerk.
U$ has always been stiff necked.
We 🇺🇸 determine the time, we 🇺🇸 determine if there's a long game. Play with us too much and the nukes fly ☢️
Wow 😮 a great discussion! Wanted to hear it for so long!
I love Chomsky but the main reason Taiwan needs that sand is not for concrete but because that's where the silicon in computer chips comes from. Taiwan makes most of the chips and if they don't have the main ingredient the chip shortage (which leads to other shortages) is only going to get worse. Ukraine also exports sand as well as neon and krypton which are needed to make chips.
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I'm loving everything Vijay is saying, he's bringing the right tone here
Vijay prashad is leaving Noam Chomsky behind that's true
Best interview so far of Jocobin
" The attacks are compliments when the journalists lie about you, defame you, that shows you must be doing something right, so keep at it." -Noam Chomsky
Brilliant 🚹thanks professor Chomsky!
I am your greatest fan!
God bless you and all your Family!
The simple fact that you will never hear conversation like this on main-stream, corporate-owned media should be very disturbing to all. Orwell and Huxley warned us.
' Noam Chomsky : US is World Biggest Terrorist .
Except it's easily available on TH-cam. While it should be, why expect it to be with how mainstream media has operated like this for decades? At some point people are responsible for educating themselves and not getting all their news from CNN or fox. Sadly I'm sure it's all by design. There are tons of free eash to access dialogue and speeches on this platform
And Samuel Clemens (Twain)
@@Zsswimmer1 Yeah, save for the fact that the algorithm will only show this to people who are already within this frame of mind.
Mass media is still a very powerful force and one which a huge amount of people get their "information" from.
Thanks to the 3 of you. Great.
Outstanding interview 👍
The Canadian government is using the method of defunding the single payer health system, which Canadian people love, and now privatization talk is getting louder and louder. It’s sickening.
I've heard about the changes in Ontario, but is it happening elsewhere?
One of the Greatest minds in human history!
Thanks Noem & may you have a long life!
Most Sincerely Michael Foley 🤔
ARIELLA YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!
The "world" used to portray Noam as a crazy liberal. Now the world is crazy and Noam is the voice of reason. Thank you for the interview, I learned some new things.
Thanks for bringing us this conversation. A consequential book for our time.
Vijay Prashad is the gift that keeps on giving. India supported Russia in the Ukraine war
because India got a juicy discount on the oil Russia sells them.
India made sure they got a mutual defense pact (in regard to China's expansionist attitudes)
with the United States and now they want to play defense games with China.
China does the same with African nations, China gives them nice railroads and sets up
plantations to grow food for China and next thing you know, these nations line up
to support China in the UN. China shows money can get you friends.
Expansionist (this & that) country, is derived from agenda western & outside powers who couldn't stand being 'outmatched' in whatever
You need to de-brainwash yourself.
Too much anti-China hate.
goose and gander Mehitabel. C'est la vie. USA should think about buying friends with nice railroads instead of bombing then into submission and dumping then?
China shows mutual respect, communication, and diplomacy can get you friends, not self indulgent foreign interest.
@@robertrichard6107 Several of these countries were friends to Taiwan,
that is until China showed up with wads of cash.
Money can buy you love.
What a brilliant analysis by you both!
Nice to hear the brilliant Vjay Prashad
Most Sincerely Michael Foley 🤔
Awesome content, 10/10 would watch again
Thank you, TH-cam algorithm, for inserting a DCCC fundraising ad with Nancy Pelosi at just the right moment in this video.
Wow, Arielle is good, very talented!
Brilliant. Always. We in NZ hear you loud & clear. Inspiring, illuminating, empowering.
35:00 Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty:
_In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_
_No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_ _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._
_In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._
_The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_
_Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._
_"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
*Socialism or [continued] barbarism.*
I admire Noam Chomsky. Glad to see he is still ticking!
Great interview and discussion.
america uses the tonya harding approach to competition named after the ice skater who kneecaped her rival.
Nuclear Blackmail everytime brain dead Sec. of States repeat 'All options are on the table'.
Great segment,thank you guys. A very worthwhile listen.
Much thanks to the panel
Thank you guys. Absolutely clear.
Hyped to listen to the dynamic between these 2. One is the one who brought me into leftist and the other is my favorite living.
G00d to put young and seasoned thinkers
Hope the west wakes up soon. The silent majority in US and UK needs to do something before it’s too late. US needs to apologise for all the wrongdoings and start afresh. 99% of US has good ppl. This 1% of US is screwing rest of the 99%.
Excellent presentation 😊👍
Thank you 😊 !
Learnt so much.
Regards and Respects from Pakistan 🇵🇰🇵🇰
While I think that Prashad's point at the end of the interview was very well made, I also think that it's a little bit of an understatement.
My degree is in history & for the last several years I can't help but see similarities between the US & the Ottoman Empire. Like the Ottomans, our decline is entirely avoidable from a strictly materialist perspective... but I think it's also inevitable from a political perspective; which was observed in this discussion.
It's not that we're lacking in military power or in corporate dominance, it's that our state institutions have become too dysfunctional & self-serving to respond appropriately to the needs of the people or, indeed, to a changing world.
When I hear people talk about American "fragility," it sounds a lot like "sick man of Europe," to me. And once that perception becomes commonplace, it's very difficult to come back from it.
Really an excellent comment.
It is corporate dominance in the social and political realms that have made our institutions dysfunctional for us though. They were never set up to bend over backwards for civil society. Nations are just workshops for capital. Also for the elite it is functioning quite well even if its short term no?
@@VivaLaSocialismo Yeah, of course -- the same happened with the Ottoman Empire's ruling class.
As time went by & their nominally feudal version of neoliberalism set in, the ruling aristocratic class demanded an increasingly dysfunctional governance in order to satisfy their personal desires.
@@VivaLaSocialismo it sure seems to have turned out that way. People keep saying people have the power. Uncertainty and contradictions the man says.
@@jacpratt8608 And like Orwell's doublespeak..."war is peace"
I went back to Grenada after the US invasion in 1983. I'd lived there for a year 1980 -81. What the US did there was nothing short of criminal; a little, desperately poor country trying to make a go of it for it's people. Tore my heart out. After the US invaded, the country was flooded with cocaine causing even more problems. Never saw cocaine there before that.
35:00 ish, echoed by Ariella at 54:34 ish - Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty:
_In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_
_No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_
_The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._
_In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._
_The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_
_Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._
It's no coincidence that our bipartisan blackhole "defense" budget passes with ease to implicitly/explicitly enforce this now global financial "order" through the 1,000+ military bases worldwide and toward the perpetual benefit of US corporate/finance capital at the zero-sum cost of the global working class (not to mention the planet that we're consciously destroying at this point...), meanwhile any modest domestic spending bill or god forbid even the most basic of healthcare for the people that actually make the soulless mechanical logic of this life directed/enforced by capitalism at all worth living is callously thrown at the wayside at the mere suggestion.
The empire feeds off the republic.
To echo Rosa Luxemburg from 1918 Germany, before of course being executed by the freikorps paramilitary (later becoming the SS, shocker) at the behest of Ebert's ostensibly _social democratic_ SPD party, almost immediately resonating the truth of such a succinct political dichotomy which to this day only continues to reverberate its veracity more firmly:
*socialism or* [continued] *barbarism*
_"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
“Fragile, not in decline…” Thanks for that; it’s so true - the ‘fragile’ part - going all the way back.
Beginning with our origin story, we created a collective defense mechanism to shield our eyes from the otherwise clear evidence of harm done. We settled in to a pattern of child-like responses to the monsters we created, to justify our actions.
And we wrote our history to embed this meme into our national character - our exceptional ability to identify our enemies, foreign & domestic, as monsters - in support of our never-ending, narcissistic ability to excuse, forgive, forget or deny our bad behavior.
The realist school of international relations, including Kissinger, has no problem explaining (nor did Howard Zinn, RIP) America has been an empire continuously since its entrepreneurial & political leaders constructively decided about a year after the British-French 1763 Treaty of Paris ending their major war, incl. the French & Indian War in N. America.
Britain suffered thousands of casualties in its effort to protect its subjects in the Atlantic colonies, depleting its treasury in the process (France also). So the people & govts of both were eager for repose & an end to violence.
Since the Indians’ consent was key to the treaty’s success, consulting with them, Britain & France realigned & froze in place their claimed territories - thus hopefully ending their aggressive imperial expansion in N. America. Treaty compliance included leaving the Indians alone in a large triangular area bounded, more or less, on the north by the (now) British Canadian territories; on the west by the Mississippi River; and on the east by Appalachian Mountain divide - the western boundary of the Atlantic colonies.
Even before ten yrs of war, colonial leaders (George Washington, et al.) had been exploring, surveying & assessing the benefits of taking & developing that vast expanse of ‘empty’ land, following the established European nation-state imperial rules then in effect.
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The reader can imagine what happened next - The treaty forbade westward expansion of the 13 colonies into Britain’s claimed land set aside for the Indians. But the colonial elite quickly realized Britain & France were exhausted, unlikely to use force to compel compliance, and that their geographical advantages tipped the scales in favor of the westward expansion they’d planned on all along.
So began the American imperial exercise in the form of settler colonialism. Beginning in 1764-65, settlers poured west down the Appalachians. France asked Britain to act to enforce the treaty, Parliament agreed & the Crown issued a proclamation forbidding the treaty violations to no effect. Parliament, viewing increasing colonial resistance as a rebellion and responded by enacting a series of ever-stronger sanctions, which the colonies continued to ignore or resist in the decade up to 1774. At this point, as the possibility of armed conflict became imminent, the rebels generated propaganda demonizing King George as a totalitarian monster, even though Britain’s actions almost to the end were administrative, having the support of large numbers of royalists.
The westward colonial settlers were increasingly attached to taking land forbidden by the treaty & killing Indians. Via their posturing & propaganda, had made their treaty violations recede into the fuzzy historical background and turned their fight into a struggle against British tyranny, personified in a dictatorial King George.
We’ve been pulling this trick repeatedly ever since to defend & expand the American empire. When we assert the lie that the US has the longest continuous democracy, in the process of writing our origin story, it’s to contrast Britain as the opposing monster determined to suppress colonial freedoms.
But the truth is, the British Isles endured monstrous events in the century before its Glorious Revolution in 1688-89 - hundreds of thousands of Scots, Welsh, Irish & English were slaughtered, mostly under the reign of the last two Devine-right kings, Charles I and II (who, unsurprisingly, lost their heads). During that this century, Britain’s African slave shipments to N. America expanded, eg, in 1679, Charles II gave the British W. Africa Co. a 1200-yr charter to run the trade. Given that violent century before the Glorious Revolution, when the dust settled in 1689, Devine-right was dead & Parliament controlled the purse-strings - never to be surrendered.
So, after roughly four-score & seven years of maturing British representative govt, it found itself confronted by rebellious colonial-settlers determined to replicate an imperial path that, in the long run, was in fundamental conflict with the democratic ideal.
This was GREAT
Who’s in for ultimate chaos, where everyone fend for themselves? Sweet freedom!!!
Great troika, very interesting discussion.
Noam is a hero for all times.
very enlightening, so completely ominous.
"Fun" fact: In the very movie The Godfather uncoincidentally, there's a scene which appropriately and pretty plainly highlights "the godfather" analogy being elucidated in this interview as they literally slice up a cake with a frosting image of Cuba on top, much like the parallel European antecedent in carving up African spheres of colonial influence. NATO's "offer you can't refuse" covert enforcement in Operation Gladio also alluded to in The Godfather part 3 if I recall, our global "full spectrum domination" masquerading as a "Pax Americana" is but a thin blood-soaked curtain we can all see but to point out, certainly to do anything to _actually change_ , is (as Noam often puts it) "not well to do".
_"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."_ - some guy
NATO = New Third Reich
at 52:40 I couldn't make out who Noam said was a definitive source for exposing the blockade of UN efforts to facilitate Russian withdrawl.
Cordovez and Harrison. Book is called Out of Afghanistan
Fantastic! Its aneye opener!
Outstanding! Book ordered!
C'ome now did you buy the book, really
@@rockinray6197 If you don't believe my statement that I ordered it, why would you believe it if I said it twice?
Sand for Taiwan is essential for future growth
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX HAS MORE THAN 800 BASES
I am Cuban, and we will never allowed the us to impose their in my country, rs
To withdraw or withdrawl that is the question. Peace
A stunningly clear analysis and critique of why we are where we are - and likely will never make progress from that situation. Many thanks to all three of you.
Noam missed the true impact of banning sand imports to Taiwan. That is one of the most important exports of Taiwan is silicon computer chips. I may be wrong, but isn't silicon derived from sand?
I had to rewind to check your point bc I heard Chomsky’s preamble about sand, missed the rest and assumed it was about chips, Foxconn plant, etc. I totally agree w you.
RESOURCES!
Alaska citizens own resources.
Texas corporations own resources.
yes, U$ is the MOB
The USA behaves exactly as all other powerful enterprises of the past. It is not exceptional.
A point that is made in the video.
Us voters never look outside even their home or even the day
as Chomsky details - the indoctrination system in the US is the strongest worldwide.
FAST FOOD INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
These two men are the light in a very large darkness. One day peoples will listen, read and understand instead of absorbing 1 minute sound bites and click bait msm propaganda and carrying on regardless.
I wouldn't call playing a proxy game with Russia in Ukraine, pumping Ukraine with hi tech weaponry while planting US soldiers in neighbouring countries US withdrawal.
Brzezinsky from his coffin: No withdrawal...they mean it to be an endless war.
underrated
Noam, so how would we be better off if Hitler and Tojo had defeated the American Roosevelt mafia in WW2?
It's okay to employ vermin when you are fighting scorpions. The threats today are largely built out of a fear of loss of power.
Where'd he say that?
Are you crazy?
You didnt defeat no one....
The british gave money to Hitler and you gave him oil to start the war..that is the truth....
23 Mil russians died...russians..ok....and you came when they already won the war....how many americans died...right..500 000 people.....
And also your beloved CIA knew that the japanese were coming to pearl harbour and still let it happen....so please.....stop writing b.s.
It is what it is....do you like to hear the truth? No...but it still is the truth.....
As Canadians we are caught between the US elephant and the Chinese dragon . Not always easy to please both.
just be yourselves?😄
@@jacpratt8608 In 2018 Meng Wanchow was attested in Canada for extradition to the US for violating US sanctions of Iran. Two Canadians were arrested in China in retaliation. If Canada released Meng the US would retaliate against Canada. So Canada was caught between trying to please the Dragon and the Elephant. Meng was eventually released in exchange for the two Canadians.
China is trying to get its roots into Canada for sure, same here with the buying of tons of lands. But do people really prefer the idea of a China backed Canada vs the US? Honestly, cause I'm not Canadian and admittedly don't know much about it's inner workings with how badly things are going down here
@@Zsswimmer1 Canada definitely prefers the US over China and has much closer ties both culturally and trade wise. Canada is however trying to increase its trade with other counties like China so as to not become too dependant on US trade which at times becomes protectionist ( eg America 1st). Trade dependence with China also carries risks as China uses trade in exchange for political support. Canada therefore has to be carefully not to poke the Dragon or the Elephant.
@@donmc1950 good point. I just get the feeling that if the ccp is willing to weld its own people's doors shut to get their wholly delusional 'zero COVID policy". Say what you will about our strong arm tactics and gun problems, but Americans and I hope Canadians would not take that at all. There's a great TH-cam channel called advchina that covers the inner workings of china from two guys who used to live their for awhile, very eye opening stuff and it's not coming from a hateful stance, as these guys really like the people and the land itself, just not the CCP.
what island off of Africa does Noam mention ? i cant hear him
I love Chomsky. But sometimes, when I listen to him, I feel like the hobbits listening to the ents.
That's terribly kind of you! Lol
We must not be hasty...
I'm glad to say I have no idea what the "hobbits listening to the ents" even means. You can try reading Chomsky's books also. You might have to lay off the bad fiction though.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Tolkien is bad fiction? Perhaps you should broaden your horizons.
yeah, these days Noam certainly seems to have the perception of the average tree stump...Let's not forget he backed mandatory 'vaccines' and non-'vaxxed' incarcerations..And calls the SMO 'illegal' which technically it ISN'T.
Every layer of this interview is pure gold. I am a transportation planner in a rust belt city. The infrastructure bill, drafted by Team trump, and signed by Team Biden is a wholesale effort to privatize what's left of our public goods. The current fact that Tesla owns 52% of all Level 3 EV chargers and is looking to expend Musk's monopoly with the NEVI funding is terrifying. Already water and power are up for grabs to the lowest bidder as we are seeing in Flint and now Jackson
Prashad wasn't just "just having dialogue with some Chinese intellectuals", his organisation took money from a Chinese state-funded think tank dedicated to promoting denial of Uyghur genocide.
he does sound like he's brown-No$ing the Maoist regime.
What genocide?
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 your terminology betrays your bias.
Noam looks better than he has lately. His hair is combed. In the last year whoever takes care of him has been letting Noam appear publicly without basic grooming. As a national treasure, I think his loved ones should try a little harder to maintain his public image.
What about the Russian Godfather?
Seems like de ja vu.
Prior to 1914 the British regime had an issue with Germany at the time. The German industrial power and economic power was increasing since 1870 and other nations like America had already displaced Britain and China by 1870 as largest economy. The German scientific revolution and rapid industrial manufacturing capacity and its (then) alliance with Russia before Kaiser Wilhelm ostracised; was deemed a threat. Hence German potential and power had to be removed yet it resulted in mutual destruction of all European empires and rise of America and survival of Soviet Union.
That's why the us army personnel was so much problems after they declare war on others
Chomsky should be in charge of the US policy and actions, the World would be a more peaceful and way better place for all
For my simple understanding that the US economy is based on debt rather than productivity AND the greatest reason for printing more money is the military THEN our dollar is backed, not by gold, but by continuing debt based on money for the military. 🤔
I challenged Chomsky in the early 80's at Ohio State. He was criticizing the USA for not doing enough to support the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan - said to be fighting with "rusted muskets". The PDF Regime was heroic - battling the reactionaries at home and abroad - ZIA Regime, Saudi's and as we now know - receiving a billion $ or so from USA annually - training and intel. Point being - this hand-wringing is so typical of Chomsky. So, support the US/NATO narrative about "Serb Ethnic Cleansing", for another example, and bear no responsibility for the horrors of US Bombing to follow. Support the US official version of the 9-11 "Attacks" - then bemoan the "War on Terror". I could go on.
Thank you for making a lonely Sunday more bearable
DJ RASHAD GOT THE FLOW
Stop smoking.
@@bmjnation6351 u not my dad
As a journalist on the left she’s gotta be happy she got Chomsky, people worship him lol
Teachers in the USA make 30% less than in the rest of the developed countries
great interview!
The attacks are a complement ~Chomsky
so few comments so far and probably not many in perspective. proves that few ppl are willing to accept the truth.
Noam Chomsky Meets Mario Puzo
"I have a book you can't refuse to read"...