I think Viserys is just groomed badly. I mean being constantly told that you're the true King of Westeros and being told lies about people secretly wishing that you're the king and all that other lies makes Viserys an oblivious fool. It's like early Daenerys too, but she never expected to rule so she listened in.
Kevin W ok I haven't seen the episode 8 yet . I am waiting for the DVD to be out so i guess Brian will be the king when he didn't do anything in the show
Kevin W but could you tell me if i should watch the Vikings movie to apprehend better the targaryen history or even read the books . I have just bought the game of thrones book set but where to find the Vikings books ?Please thankyou in advance
@Lucimyr We don't actually know that. The original script for GoT season 8 episode 5 was much different than what we got. Originally, Cersei was supposed to set up wildfire batches all around the city. Then, as Dany attacks with Drogon, these wildfire batches would be accidentaly set off and burn the city to the ground. Dany was also never supposed to fly around burning civilians left and right. She was originally supposed to burn Lannister soldiers who are mixed in with civilians, but that part got retconned by D&D too. Not only did D&D retcon a much more logical and cohesive storyline, but they also either hid it from the entire cast or did it in the last possible moment, since Emilia Clarke mentioned being shocked by what Daenerys did and explicitly stated that she was not aware of what was happening in episode 5 WHILE SHE WAS ACTING HER SCENES.
The image of Maegor just waking up from his coma and going like "that's it ,I am ending this religion" and then 5 seconds later rides balerion and burns the shit of that sept is literally One of the funniest shit ever 😭😭😭
To be completely honest, I hated the septon and their religion. Those dudes believe they own the world!! When Cersei burnt all of them, it was so satisfying except for queen Margelly Tyrell being there
F is the bomb The show is irrelevant. George isn’t even done with the books. And half the things that have happened in the show haven’t even happened in the books. Hell, even Stannis, Barristan, and Tommen are still alive, same goes for all of the Tyrells. Daenerys going mad, may or may not even happen. All we can do is hope George finishes the books.
You forgot the part where Aerys had Ned's brother watch their father burn with a sword just out of reach and strangled himself to death trying to reach it to save him...
Any man who threatens the king should die...they just showed up making demands and kind of brought it upon themselves if you really analyze it. They knew he wasn’t playing with a full deck but they still came at him like that....I’m sure the entire kingdom knew of his issues with having kids and being paranoid AF yet you threaten the eldest son and ask for his head? Fire is an effective champion...I would have burned them the moment they asked for his head. They literally went to a man that was paranoid AF about the death of his family then you make his fears real in a face to face threat knowing he kills whole family’s and houses. Over a lady that didn’t even want to be with the guy and Ned knew this if no one else did he had a notion that she was not happy to be promised to Robert any longer.... she ran off with his son and he wasn’t going to kill his prime heir over some woman lol I can only imagine him sitting there going “I knew it! People want my son killed I have to protect my family my bloodline ...how dare they be so bold I can’t let them leave they will surely pursue my son with or without my help...the Starks must die” lol he had no trust left.
MrTaylorAries hey bud, I agree with some of this but you make the assumption that Aerys wanted to protect/ loved Rhaegar. Maybe in his younger years, but in his later years, he thought his own son would raise the lords of Westeros against him and overthrow him as king. So when he burned the lord of House stark and asphyxiated his heir, it was more out of his own paranoia and madness.
@@danieldiaz7065 Doesn't matter what Aerys thought of Rhaegar, the law would still demand that anyone who called for Rhaegar's death be killed themselves. Also, Rickard WAS plotting treason, so his execution is also justified
I don't consider Maegor to be mad. He was a product of his mother upbringing and his war-time surroundings. He was cruel :p but I don't see him as mad.
Tywin ain't evil o.o ..Tywin is just coldly practical. He was never cruel without extremely good reason, in his eyes. Tywin is far from evil, to me. And yes, Maegor was very similar to him, only he rode a big ass dragon + xD
RegTarg011 Well he did kill all the Reynes including the children, just because the head of the family disrespected him, dont even get me started on the targaryen kids. He knew exactly what the Mountain was capable of and what he was unleashing on Ellia, he wasnt stupid or blind
Reyne's were plotting a rebellion against him.. Targaryen children, his only mistake was not killing Daeny too. From HIS perspective, not ours, he is practical man, not evil. There's a big difference. Those Targ kids could one day raise armies and kill millions, like Daeny doing now, he did what was safer for the realm and end of the rebellion.
RegTarg011 well if u follow that logic Myrcella got what she deserved, and Shireeen needs to die so that she will never try to take the throne after her father :P thats why 6 kingdoms are against the lannisters right now, way to be practical o lord Tywin
As far as we know Dany could be mad too. Aerys didn't show signs of madness till his later years and Dany has become more and more bloodthirsty as the books go on.
As far as we know, anyone in the series could be mad, or going mad. And there are lots of people in the series way more bloodthirsty than her. Even if you think that only Targaryens are likely to be mad (in spite of the fact that some other people in the series seem more likely to be batshit crazy, like Cersei or Euron), then you should be also speculating whether Jon Snow (Rhaegar's son) or Stannis (great-grandson of Aegon V) are/will go crazy.
FrakkinToaster Luvva here's the thing, when siblings have incest and create Offspring then their genes basically duplicate and mutate. Jon snows mother, lyanna, was not a targeryen and when a another person with different DNA have Offspring with the inbred then the DNA resets so that everythings fine stannis DNA is already alterd to much from egg through the generations and Euron is just a sociopath
Just because people are worse in the series does not make her actions less troubling. Its true that anyone in the series could be mad (and many are) but the writer has clearly stated that products of incest are at a higher risk of that, and like Aron Johansson said Stannis's DNA has altered since his grandmother's Targaryen DNA was added whereas Dany is directly from sibling incest who themselves were born of sibling incest. Jon (at least in the books anyway) might not be R+L=J. Also in the books Jon is currently freshly stabbed, if he is dead and brought back to life he most likely will be a different person and possibly mad as Catelyn is.
PartyPoison12 We weren't discussing the morality of Dany's actions. The subject is whether she is going to go mad. And there is no evidence at all in the books that she's mad, going mad, or will go mad. There's just evidence that she's worrying about it - which makes it all the less likely that she will go mad. Cersei (canonically compared to the Mad King by Jaime, who knew the Mad King very well) never worries about going mad, for instance. " the writer has clearly stated that products of incest are at a higher risk of that," Really? When did he say that? First off, if that were true in general, then not just Jaime and Cersei but also Ned, Lyanna, Brandon and Benjen would be as likely to go mad/have been mad, as their parents were first cousins. But that does not happen unless there is a recessive gene for a specific illness running in the family. So I guess you mean the Targaryens, under the assumption they had a 'madness gene' in the family. But the evidence does not support that. See my answer to Aron Johansson.
Aron Johansson No, their genes do not "duplicate and mutate", I have no idea where you got that or what you even mean by that. Siblings don't have the same DNA, unless they are identical twins, in which case they can't have a child together as they are both of the same biological sex. And genes mutating has nothing to do with whether people are related. What does happen is that there is a greater probability of the child getting a pair of recessive genes for a congenital disease if their parents are closely related (but only if they have that gene in the first place, of course). Which doesn't mean that it has to happen, or that it can't happen with people who aren't related. So, we would have to assume that there is a 'madness gene' in the Targaryen family. But then why was Rhaegel mad? His mother was Mariah Martell. She had no Targ blood at all. Why was Aerion Brightflame mad? His mother was a Dayne. Again, absolutely no relation to the Targs. So, 2 out of 4 or possibly 5 Targaryens that were mad (it's debatable whether Maegor was insane or just exceptionally cruel and ruthless, and in addition, his more 'mad' behavior occurred after he died and was resurrected and may have been caused by that) weren't products of incest. On the other hand, there's a bunch of Targaryens who were products of incest but who were perfectly normal, and even in some cases among the greatest monarchs that Westeros had ever had (Daeron the Good). So, the evidence doesn't actually offer that much support to the theory of congenital Targaryen madness caused by recessive genes/inbreeding.
whycreate King Baelor, Prince Rhaegal, and Prince Aerion were not born of incest. King Baelor's mother was a Velaryon, Aerion's mother was a Dayne, and Rhaegal's mother was a Martell. King Aerys II wasn't mad, he was driven there from all the happenings during his reign. Prince Viserys can be made a case for, third generation incest BUT Rhaegar and Daenerys were fine.
Crazy Targaryen king: "Come along dear time to conceive our next child." The poor queen: "Can't this wait until later in our bedroom?.......oh God no..." *the crazy king drags the poor queen in front of his court and strips naked and starts dancing awkwardly* Crazy Targaryen king: "Get undressed my love!!! AND BRING OUT THE PIE!!!! I'M FILLING MY WOMAN WITH BABY JUICE!!!" *The court gasps in horror....except for one lone pervert who gives him a thumbs up* Martin: "And that is one of my rejected stories from Game of Thrones."
Well, you don't need to be a genius or sane to follow basic instincts. You will notice it when you get to know some people, natural selection is sure but also slow.
Taegaryen madness was focused on cause they were looking for a weakness to spit on a great house. Lannister also had their mad son Joeffery, Greyjoys are full of mad men and even Brandon stark was a hotblooded tempermental man. Yes Taegaryns are mad, but the Game of Thrones world brings out the madness in men
Maegor was not mad. He saved the Targaryen Dynasty the best way possible. The Dragon bows to no man. You also forgot to add Maelys Blackfyre the Monstrous. By blood he is Targaryen.
Maegor saved the dynasty by usurping the throne of his brothers sons, killing them and producing no progeny of his own, that's what you wanted to say. He saved House Targaryen in the same way that show Sand Snakes saved House Martell. Also Meagor was a case of several mental illnesses - delusions, megalomania, severe paranoia and psychopathy included.
well dorne weren't rebelling in baelor's time. aegon failed to conquer them same for his descendants until daeron(baelor's brother) but by the end of the same year dorne had gained its independence and daeron's appointed ruler of dorne was dead and soon same happened to daeron and his army
I'm pretty sure the artist make Baelor look like that on purpose.When you hear about a man being called "Blessed",walking on deserts for days,fasting,being celibate,etc..You immediately thing about Jesus in the west.Although Baelor didn't do any miracles. The comparison with Gandhi isn't that accurate,since Baelor wasn't emancipating a country through pacifism,but it it was more accurate,maybe Baelor would be bald.
@Johanna Jesus isn't a fictional character, there is written proof that a man named Jesus walked around in Jerusalem and was crucified, whether he returned is unknown and up to debate, but he sure as fuck existed, goddamn people who say "Jesus didn't exist" are retarded.
How did you not put Aegon IV on here? His last great request legitimized all his bastards (He had quite a few) and sparked a 5 generation rebellion that almost destroyed House Targaryen altogether.
No mention of Summerhall? Arguably, Summerhall was possibly the initial root of his insanity. We don't have many details, but it's pretty clear he saw his grandfather, uncles, aunts, and a good portion of the kingsguard die brutally. Right when his first son was born too. Imagine that, if you can. Most of your family dying on the very eve where you become a father for the first time. Aerys shows signs of suffering from PSTD. Literally, half of his descriptions, down to the maniac mood shifts, are signs of PSTD. Surely he had genetic predisposition to madness, but between Summerhall and the Defiance of Duskendale were what broke him, turning him into the worst king to sit the Iron Throne. Also, it is arguable that more than just the ones you listed here were, in one way or another, mad. Madness doesn't always equal dancing naked in the halls or taking a shot of wildfire to become a dragon. Sometimes it's as simple as sleeping around constantly and bequeathing lavish gifts to random people.(here's looking at you, Aegon the Unworthy.) Even Aegon the Unlikely's obsession with restoring dragons, the thing that literally caused most of the Targaryens of his day to die, could be considered a form of madness.
I don't think he saw his family die. They were deep inside the castle and only a few people were there. Also most of the Targaryens didn't die at Summerhall, only two died and Aegon only wanted to bring back dragons since all the high lords went against his reforms and he needed something to back his power up.
THE ARMADA But knowing that part of your family died like that and that you could have easily been one of them... would it not have affected you in any way? I agree with you about Aegon the Unlikely. If one believes him to be mad because of his desire for dragons than everyone creating anything is mad, as there is always a risk of it going south, especially if it's weaponry. You could make a strong case of the leaders of the USA having been mad for creating atom bombs, for example. Or the Ancient Greeks for creating Greek Fire.
Viserys was a spoiled brat that’s why he couldn’t hang in the real world. Just like how Cersei stayed within the castle at Kings landing for so long that she was unfamiliar with anything outside the red keeps walls. She really thought she had power but was also a userper
He was not spoiled he will just a kid that was told Westeros iron Throne belong to him nobody respected him he had nothing he bagged just to feed his sister the only hope he had was iron Throne belong to him and that made him angry and greedy because he never had anything
Not NEARLY as bad. Maegor had all four limbs cut off a guy and then forced Maesters to heal him and keep him alive. He even forced the guy to attend one of his weddings. Side note: Maegor had a thing for killing Maesters. It’s a good thing he isn’t around to harm Sam....
Samuel Wolch Multiple wives in a chase to get a son as the other have stated, he also had issues with the church and ended up taking on his own new interpretation and removing the power that church held in England. He was also the younger son of the king though didn't over step is own nephew (Richard 3rd style) however he married his brothers wife and Maegor did something rather similar in marrying a widow of his family.
Similar, but Mhegor cared not if his people loved him. Henry wasn't nearly as cruel. It's just with both you weren't going to "deceive" them. Yet, we know how that went with Henry Tudor.
With Baleor the Blessed, you see that madness takes two forms: Cruel and Despotic, or Holier then Thou, and in Baleor's case he was someone who was so devoted to his faith, that he failed to see he was sliding deeper and deeper into insanity
''Everytime a Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land'' People say Viserys was mad and Dany wasn't. Which could be true. But who said the coin didn't land on the same side two times a row? Lets wait and see in Season 8. Where Jon is actually the heir to the Throne, everything Dany worked up until now will go to waste, since she has no claim over it.
Miranda Lou but if she finds out that Jon is her nephew,I don't think she is gonna mind Jon being on the throne.Also they have the incest thing going on
Maybe..but ever since she was little she always thought she and Viserys was heir to the iron throne...then suddenly after all 7/8 seasons she doesn't get to sit on it anyway because suddenly someone else is heir to it..thats gonna hard for her to swallow. And i don't think its gonna go down like this: ''So..Dany, my brother who can see in the past said i'm heir to the throne...so..'' Just imagine that...i dont think Dany will be ''Okey'' at all xD
I don't see dumb and dumbers season as truth. I'm waiting for the books they royally f@cked it up. They drove her "mad" in 1 season. Looked like a mad dash to make it seem right. Sloppy.
I never really thought Viserys was "mad" alot of his behavior makes perfect sense. He lost all of his family besides his younger sister and grew up having to struggle to survive in a world where powerful people wanted him dead. He was the last surviving Targaryen from a long lineage of great Kings and felt he had a destiny to restore his family's legacy. He forced his dreams and aspirations onto his sister whom he effectively had to become the parent of meanwhile being a child himself. One event that especially broke him was having to sell his last bit of jewellry which he kept in memory of his mother. He then made the tough decision to sell out Danaerys as his ticket to the throne.
it's because of his poor speech and pronunciation. The content is realy good but it's hard to understand and really infuriating. the way. he always. cut. his sentences. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah !
Targaryens obsession: 1.Mad King Areys Targaryen- Is obsessed with wild fire to kill people cause he thinks everyone try to kill him. 2. Rhaegar- Is obsessed having a third child to be 3 heads dragons, because of his visions signs, The Prince that was promise, a savior hero. 3. Daenerys- Is obsessed with Iron throne and her Motherly protector of her dragons, She wants the 7 Kingdoms, She is obsessed with power. 4. Jon Snow- Is obsessed protected the North from white walkers because the prophecy he sees in his visions and real life, he's more forcus on that than anything a true hero, who doesn't cares, if he dies but protected the North for it's about to become, there must always be a Stark in North, a long night is coming, and dead comes with it. Jon more forcus on keep everyone safe especially the north.
Jackie Campbell Rheagar wasn't mad and he wasn't obsessed with having a third child nor did he rape Lyanna. That's only the way Robert told the story, but if you read the books and pay attention to all the storys Meera tells, you find out, that L and R were in love and both unhappy with their betrothal/marriage. And for John, if the nightking crosses the wall (which he will most likely do), he will be able to collect the biggest army ever, since all the dead from the previous wars are still there, all the dead Lannisters, Starks, Boltons, Tullys, Freys etc. will join one army. And also winter is there, but the Lords forgot to collect supplys and to ration it. But as the people of westeros know, a winter is always as long as the previous summer and they had the longest summer to ever be in Westeros. If nothing is done, all will starve eventually. So John is actually the only rational person to fight for the north and therefore for humanity, while all the other ones still play their little game of thrones, killing each other and therefore helping the nightking.
Anna Avertho I absolutely agree with you about Jon, but Jackie has a point about Rhaegar. Yes, he may have been the most beloved prince his dynasty has ever seen and was at a very good person all around, but that does not negate the fact that he WAS obsessed with the prophecy of the Prince that was Promised and as a consequence made some terrible and rash decisions that, as said, effectively wiped out his family and ended their reign. I don't doubt that him and Lyanna were in love and I personally love their story, but I'm sure they could have had the third prophesied baby another way that wouldn't have involved needlessly starting a war. That's just my two cents however, feel free to disagree. It's good drama either way.
Pretty sure Baelor was mad, when you read the World Of Ice and Fire and the way he is described, it's clear that even if he wasn't mad, he certainly was a bit delusional.
If someone told you he's doing something because some voices are telling him to would you react different because those voices, he says, are from an entity from the religion you believe in? He was mad. Also, you mean fanatics are not mad persons?
@SamTheWayne yea man I mean if you think about it. He was literally telling everyone he heard his father's voice in his head. He also destroyed business and homes because he didn't like the ruling class. Jesus could've very well been exactly as you described.
@Enetheru1999 Hold up. Jesus WASN'T an authoritarian fanatic listening to voices in his head?! How so? The man literarly believed he was the human embodiment of god and persisted in this belief until his final breath. He also went into a desert for 40 days and supposedly talked to the devil.
Maegor was cruel but he was no coward or fool like Viserys II or Joffrey. He won battle of seven legitimately almost dying himself. He built Red Keep and slaughtered all builders and architects for a reason and future kings benefited from this a lot, being usually only people really knowing every keep's secret. Althought I would not like to be his subject I must say he strenghened dynasty a lot. Even wars against faith of seven which were compromised later on showed them that they are not untouchable as they thought.
Theoretically, this list could be expanded to include some other Targaryens who weren't "mad" in the traditional sense but definitely showed signs of mental disorders. Aenys probably had anxiety problems, seeing as how he struggled to make decisions for fear of offending someone. Plus, he essentially died of a panic attack (albeit maybe helped along by Visenya) when trying to deal with the Faith Militant. Then there's Aegon III, who seemed to suffer from lifelong depression after watching his mother get eaten by a dragon. His survivor's guilt of escaping from pirates on dragonback and leaving his brother to be captured couldn't have helped either.
I don't know why but I really liked Maegor the Cruel...seems like a lovely fellow 😁 In all seriousness, he seems like a very interesting character, like a brutal badass viking with dragons.
Thanks for discussing the Targaryens at such length! All we know about them comes from the bits and pieces from Viserys, pre-melting, and Jaime's musings and Tyrion's reading. They have potentially the most interesting storyline of all, if you like the dragons, the tales of Meraxes covering whole cities with this shadow before engulfing them in flame, the dragon attack at Harrenhal (whose evidence we still see when Arya is Tywin's servant there(, and how the citizens of King's Landing came to the dragon pit and killed the dragons they found there certainly bear some chapters of their own somewhere, if only someone writes them down in another book someday.
Rhaegar Targaryen could be added to this list because of his obsession with the prophecy of ice and fire, and the Prince that is promised. One of the theories is that he only married Lyanna Stark because after Elia Martell gave birth to his son he found out that she had become barren, the reason for this was that he believed that to make the Targaryens great again the Dragon needed three heads. he planned to get Lyanna pregnant with a Daughter that he would later marry to his son Aegon all with his other daughter Rhaeny.
@@hkazu63 I thnk in the end, he was a good step into madness even if not compleatly lost in it yet. As something that had been all about doing the right thing, being responsable and all he did literaly the worst thing he could have done . . .he shuld and would have known better, so the fact that he did not tells me he was loosing grip of reality already
After reading Maegor's section in "Fire and Blood" I don't think he was mad more so he was upset no one loved him as King as much as they loved him as the Warrior Prince. King Aeneys was basically a fool more so worried about folks loving him than being a great King. Also King Jaehaerys was far more loved than Baelor
Daenerys has gone mad because of all the losses she suffered, remember that she had no family, everyone wanted her dead, her husband Khal Drogo died, she couldn't have children anymore because of the witch and she lost respect from the dothraki, she obtained three dragons that she treated like her children, they were kidnapped by the mages of Qarth and after that, she had lots of troubles in Meereen with the sons of the harpy, the dragons that she couldn't control anymore, she learned that Jorah had betrayed her, she lost ser barristan, later in season 8 two of her dragons died, Jorah died (and that was a big loss for her) she learned that Jon was her nephew so he didn't want to continue their relationship, Missandei, her best friend, was killed by Cersei and that's what made her destroy King's Landing. She wasn't born mad, it's the people of Westeros who broke her, they took everything she had so she killed them. And i forgot a lot of details. Anyone with a dragon and an army could've done the same thing. Fuck Jon for not trying harder to stop her and Tyrion who turned an idiot in the last seasons.
@@phugindomas Given that George said that the endings would be similar I can't see such a huge plot point as Dany going nuts and taking down Kings Landing not being in the books. If anything she'll likely be more nuts in the books because George can flesh out her descent into madness better than the show did. I think it's official, Dany is a mad Targaryen.
@@autolicious honestly though, it hasn't even been confirmed if Dave and Dan used his ending. They aren't known for being true to the source material. We will have to wait. You're probably right but we still can't be sure and therefore it is not yet safe to assume.
@@phugindomas I'm assuming based on the books. There is more evidence in the books that's she's gonna go nuts than there ever was in the shows. Just sayin :)
@@autolicious read comment above for my response. We have zero confirmation. Foreshadowing is not a confirmation. As I said, you probably right, but we still cannot say for sure with 100% certainty.
Although we don’t know much about him I would say Rhaegar might have also been a contender for madness, just not of a cruel and violent kind to the extent of his father. Rhaegar seems to have been a little obsessed with prophecy, so much so to the extent that he ran off with a 15 year old girl who also happened to be the daughter of a Lord Paramount. The consequences of his actions resulted in war and the brutal deaths of his wife and children. It’s also ironic that Rhaegar went through so much effort to have a Visenya, but Lyanna gave birth to a son.
@@travisbickle4360 He took their Trial by Seven and won, and they chose to continue rejecting him. Tell me, what more was he supposed to do? Trial by combat is supposed to be decided by the gods, trial by seven even more so, and the Faith of the Seven REJECTED the results.
@@DavidbarZeus1 True. It's probably what he did that the septum finally decided to compromise with the Targeryans even though Jehangir also used diplomacy to get his choice elected
"Everytime a new Targaryen is born the gods toss the coin in the air and the world hold its breath to see how it will land" I always wondered that Oberyn would suit this saying if the coin fell on the side and stood upright. Too bad Martin killed him off way before his time You could also argue that Aemond, the one who fought Daemon the rouge prince over the God's Eye, was also mad based on his actions as both a child and an adult. I think the best way to tell whether a person is mad or not is to see their action as a child like Joffery. The other "Mad" people grew into madness rather than being born with it.
areys was never friends with tywin he took great pleasure mocking tywin and it is possible he screwed tywins wive johanna and fathered babie or babies with her
Nefer Anubis they were friends from childhood... he hated him later when tywin as hand of the king as the public loved and respected tywin and Aerys grew jealous.
Nefer as Grand Maester Pycelle points out..."Lord Tywin was not a man to feast on another man's leavings," As he was citing Lady Johanna being dismissed from the queen's service, that was for The Mad King taking unwanted liberties with her person during the bedding ceremony after she wed Lord Tywin
Some people think Daenerys should be on this list, but I have to disagree. It could be just be because she's gained so much power. Power corrupts people and she has so much of it with dragons, loyal counselors like Tyrion, dothraki, an army of former slaves who are forever grateful for their freedom, and the unsullied. She's also been through things that has made her toughen up and harden her heart like having her brother sell her to gain an army. Not to mention she's fire proof so she's probably feeling on top of the world and near untouchable.
I believe we can add Dany to the list although she's more driven mad than born mad. I agree that her brother Visceris was mad, we could have actually seen more of this madness if he succeeded to become king. Plus the way he would sometimes look at Dany made me think that he would have probably married her afterwards and continued this madness tree family.
MFUNI KAKAYA DEBORAH most targs weren’t born mad neither. Even Aerys was a kinda normal guy, till he got captured and taken as hostage for about a half year at age 40. Viserys and Dany probably wouldn’t have become mad if they had grown up in a better environment also. In psychology they believe that madness is caused by genetical defects AND the enviroment you grow up to. Viserys was under the influence of targaryen propaganda most of his life, had to see his mother die & his father becoming insane, was confronted with the brutal deaths of his parents, brother, baby cousins and most of the loyalist of his family at the age of seven. Then living with his sister on the streets for long periods of time... Dany had it also very bad, never knowing a place like home, having a abuse brother no family left, being forced to marry and raped at the age of 13. Seeing your last family member (and only person you knew for more then a month), husband and son die. Then being given the highest amount of power possible, becoming a leader and queen in a year, supported by people who believe you’re a god. That even people with normal genetic would become at leats very labil at this point is no question.
I think you could also touch on how Rhaegar was slightly obsessed with prophecy. It's not as strong of a case as the ones you mentioned in this video, but I think it's still worth mentioning.
I really believe that Jon Snow killed Daemarys because he saw the madness that was growing inside of her. When she set fire to King's Landing Snow knew that she was capable of doing much worse things as she described moving all around Westeros and 'correcting; what she diidn't like.
Stannis kills his brother and burns people for the Red God, while Baelor walks through the desert, and snakes for his family, and only burns books instead of ppl, is considered mad? If that is so add Stannis to the list too, cuz he was Aerys cousin, but his fans get butthurt when u mention his relation to the mad Kings of house Targaryen, cuz hes Mr. Perfect doing his duty. His grandmother was Aerion Brighflame niece, aunt to Aerys the Mad, no wonder he burns people
Baelor did more then what you mentioned. Stannis was far from mad. If you witnessed the things Melissandre is capable of doing, you would probably think her god actually exists.
whycreate They're both religious fanatics. Fanatism aint madness theres a difference. Without Davos aka Jiminy Cricket in his shoulder keeping him in line (sometimes), give Stannis a couple of years following Melissandres God and he will become as bad as Aerys. Hes already burning people for his God. At least Baelor helped them, fed them. If Stannis did the same, maybe ppl would actually want to fight for him, instead he has to hire sellswords cuz no one gives a fuck about him but Davos and Shireen
Stannis is not a religious fanatic at all. Melisandre is. Stannis is an atheist who recognizes Melisandre's powers and knows he needs them to win the throne. He says so explicitly in Davos' first chapter in A Clash of Kings. He also has very strict rules who he burns: only those who are condemned to death anyway, as traitors (like Alester Florent) or deserters from the Watch (Mance Rayder) or cannibals (those guys in his army that ate one of the dead soldiers because they were hungry, during the march to Winterfell). They are going to die anyway, so instead of hanging or beheading, he gives them to Mel to burn. He's even refusing to burn an Ironborn captive (Asha) when the Queen's Men (R'hllor followers) in his army are asking for it. He was tempted to say yes to Mel burning his young nephew Edric Storm as a sacrifice to win the throne, but was very unsure about it, and in the end he agreed that Davos was right and didn't punish or demote him for saving Edric. I'm not one of the Stannis fans, and the guy has lots of flaws and is very morally ambiguous, but saying he's a religious fanatic is just wrong. If he's fanatic about anything, it's about adhering to the laws and his very strict ideas about justice and duty. Stannis (or Melisandre, for that matter) burning people just because they are "infidels" is something made up for the show, where Melisandre is made to be a lot more evil than in the books, and Stannis is made to be both a religious fanatic and more evil than in the books. They are certainly not tolerant and they do demolish sacred objects (burning the statues of the Seven at the start of ACOK, which was adapted on the show in the first episode of season 2, burning the sacred weirwoods in A Dance with Dragons) but they aren't forcing anyone to adopt R'hllor. Book Davos himself is a very ardent follower of the Seven, and so are many others among Stannis' men. Melisandre converted some of the wildlings into R'hllorism, but she wasn't forcing them, and a lot of them still follow the Old Gods (as does Jon Snow, and she doesn't seem to have a problem with that, either).
They are both using each other, and they know it - he wants the throne, but doesn't care about R'hllor, she only cares about R'hllor and the fight against the Great Other, and thinks that who's king on the Iron Throne is unimportant, but has been helping Stannis because she thinks he's Azor Ahai. I don't know why you'd say "when she is the one who does the using". If anything, she's the one who is less likely to achieve her goal, because I think it's pretty clear to the readers that Stannis isn't really Azor Ahai, but Melisandre's chapter in ADWD shows she still believes he is.
What has she won? Her goal is exactly what she says it is - to save the world from the Great Other, and she thinks Azor Ahai Reborn is instrumental in that fight - which she may be right about. She is just not right that it is Stannis. What else do you think is her goal? It is not a secret, we have been in her head. She is a typical Well Intentioned Extremist with an "end justifies the means" MO.
Maegor: maybe bc of his family's dynasty thing u know the whole conquest, he went mad bc his family's dynasty might not go on bc of all the still births? I mean normal people go to intense grief bc of one or two still births. He probably wanted the future of his family to be like him, strong and powerful as wrong as he was, he probably just wanted everything to be stable again. Baelor: options: he's a cuckoo to his very core or the dragon dreams became too much for him to distinguish it from reality oooor he saw into his family's madness and wanted it to change but never had the guidance to properly do so. (Burning books was definitely not cool wtf) Rhaegel: lol yep that's what Incest does to u Aerion: (why why the cat did nothing wrong oh my gosh) lol wtf he's maegor 2.0 aerys II: extreme circumstances! okay this is just really really sad He could've been the good one if not for the heartbreaking still births. Viserys: okay so givvvven that his fam and it's dynasty are on the brink, could u imagine the heavy weight on his shoulders? he grew up in admiration to his ancestry and to be one to see and remember how it all went down? That does things to people, not right things but u knowww Daenerys: she's not maaaaad could u imagine being in her place, doing everything there is to do and still have her children killed and have no one left to even trust anymore. That does things to even normal people okay. Grief does some shittts
The Habsburg family had a lot of inter marriage which resulted in madness. It is an accurate representation of the results of generations of inter marriage
Madness is not always inborn like what the gods toss coins or something. It could be induced like what happened to Aerys, the Mad King & his son Viserys, the Beggar KIng. Aerys by his traumatic experience in Duskendale drove him mad, really mad! while Viserys actions of "madness" or folly was only because of the pressure & the gried of loosing his throne, birthright & home. It was said that Viserys was kind to Danaerys once, but stopped smiling when they have to sell everything they have, wandering the Free Cities, asking or begging for Magisters or Nobles reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
The "mad Targaryen" stereotype was anti Targaryen propaganda used by their enemies. And no, Dany wasn't mad either...sacking the city was a logical and smart move to cement her power. The reaction of her disloyal subjects was totally insane, however.
Really makes me feel like George RR set up Jamie and Cercei to be Targaryan descendants. I don't think they'll go that route anymore, but I get the destinct impression we're seeing similar traits to a lot of the stuff in the video with both of them and their children
Saying that Maegor was mad gives an excuse for his foolhardy cruelty and evil disposition. Maegor knew what he was doing when he did it. That's why he was mysteriously found carved open on the Iron Throne and everybody collectively agreed that it was a tragic accident
well one of the stark king thousands of years ago is literally called bran the burner so you can put him on the list. he btw is a guy who burned his own fleet in grief for his father's death. then we have theon the hungry wolf who fought war with andals during the andal invasion and wonthen went to their home in essos burned 100s of villages and brought every man in those village head on a spear and brought them back on the ship. in his case while the north considers him normal andals believed him to be mad for his actions.
I don’t think maeghar was mad at all! He did what was necessary to keep his family alive. The faith was working against him and wanted nothing more then to rid themselves of targaryens! Great video!
Regina Shaw did what was necessary to keep his family alive?? He tortured his teenage nephew to death and then killed his older brother after usurping his crown. He was actively destroying House Targaryen and nearly succeeded.
Targaryen practiced incest to preserve the magical ability to bind and control dragons. With the death of magic, the power in their blood went out of control, making them fall to madness. Maegor wasn't crazy, he was extremely cruel and unforgiving.
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I think Viserys is just groomed badly. I mean being constantly told that you're the true King of Westeros and being told lies about people secretly wishing that you're the king and all that other lies makes Viserys an oblivious fool. It's like early Daenerys too, but she never expected to rule so she listened in.
@Kevin W Dany was listen to everyone until people started to give her shitty advice (Tyrion mostly)
Alex Shuysky tyrion is a good adviser
Kevin W ok I haven't seen the episode 8 yet . I am waiting for the DVD to be out
so i guess Brian will be the king when he didn't do anything in the show
Kevin W I guess because I have heard or i found out online that Bran will be the king of the 6 or 7 kingdoms .how come ?
Kevin W but could you tell me if i should watch the Vikings movie to apprehend better the targaryen history or even read the books .
I have just bought the game of thrones book set but where to find the Vikings books ?Please
thankyou in advance
"Every child knows that the Targaryens have always danced too close to madness."
- Ser Barristan Selmy
Stella Maris daenerys was supposed dance away from it
@@mansamusa8410 but the bitch didnt
Yeah i think that this is the point. Targaryens are often liable to fall into madness but they are not mad by default
@Lucimyr We don't actually know that. The original script for GoT season 8 episode 5 was much different than what we got. Originally, Cersei was supposed to set up wildfire batches all around the city.
Then, as Dany attacks with Drogon, these wildfire batches would be accidentaly set off and burn the city to the ground.
Dany was also never supposed to fly around burning civilians left and right. She was originally supposed to burn Lannister soldiers who are mixed in with civilians, but that part got retconned by D&D too.
Not only did D&D retcon a much more logical and cohesive storyline, but they also either hid it from the entire cast or did it in the last possible moment, since Emilia Clarke mentioned being shocked by what Daenerys did and explicitly stated that she was not aware of what was happening in episode 5 WHILE SHE WAS ACTING HER SCENES.
@@mansamusa8410 not really
did you read a dance of dragons?
The image of Maegor just waking up from his coma and going like "that's it ,I am ending this religion" and then 5 seconds later rides balerion and burns the shit of that sept is literally One of the funniest shit ever 😭😭😭
true lmao
Well he was evil, but he trully did funny things, everytime he was appeared i expected some crazy shit to happen, and im not disapointed.
Dude was a badass
Hyuck hyuck it’s hilarious
To be completely honest, I hated the septon and their religion.
Those dudes believe they own the world!!
When Cersei burnt all of them, it was so satisfying except for queen Margelly Tyrell being there
Maegor isn't insane, he's just evil
John Porteous evil isn't a concept in psychology
John Porteous the only way "evil" would be used in psychology is for examples.
RSE 167 Who cares?
sociopathy or psychopathy, both another name for evil is madness
Evil is just a label we all put on those who threaten us
New Reality Show to Hit Westeros: *Keeping Up With The Targaryens* Coming This Winter
Definitely would watch this no doubt
Winter is coming and so are the mad Targaryens
Right, it’s called House of the Dragon 😭
Updates : according to spoiler leaked of season 8 ,Daenerys is joined the chat
Indeed she has
Episode 5 to be exact, north remember
Yes, and it makes absolutely no sense in the show
F is the bomb The show is irrelevant. George isn’t even done with the books. And half the things that have happened in the show haven’t even happened in the books. Hell, even Stannis, Barristan, and Tommen are still alive, same goes for all of the Tyrells. Daenerys going mad, may or may not even happen. All we can do is hope George finishes the books.
With all the incest it's no wonder Daenerys had no problem still wanting to be with Jon Snow
*Daenerys Targaryen has joined the chat*
Except for the fact that it makes no sense
@@DavidbarZeus1 and madness normally makes sense?
Joseph Molloy Dany’s madness doesnt though. that’s what they were saying
@@amby8719 why?
MrGooner9000 i’m not saying that. i was explaining the other person’s comment.
You forgot the part where Aerys had Ned's brother watch their father burn with a sword just out of reach and strangled himself to death trying to reach it to save him...
Any man who threatens the king should die...they just showed up making demands and kind of brought it upon themselves if you really analyze it.
They knew he wasn’t playing with a full deck but they still came at him like that....I’m sure the entire kingdom knew of his issues with having kids and being paranoid AF yet you threaten the eldest son and ask for his head?
Fire is an effective champion...I would have burned them the moment they asked for his head. They literally went to a man that was paranoid AF about the death of his family then you make his fears real in a face to face threat knowing he kills whole family’s and houses. Over a lady that didn’t even want to be with the guy and Ned knew this if no one else did he had a notion that she was not happy to be promised to Robert any longer.... she ran off with his son and he wasn’t going to kill his prime heir over some woman lol I can only imagine him sitting there going “I knew it! People want my son killed I have to protect my family my bloodline ...how dare they be so bold I can’t let them leave they will surely pursue my son with or without my help...the Starks must die” lol he had no trust left.
So you just stood there and watched?
500 men just stood there and watched
MrTaylorAries hey bud, I agree with some of this but you make the assumption that Aerys wanted to protect/ loved Rhaegar. Maybe in his younger years, but in his later years, he thought his own son would raise the lords of Westeros against him and overthrow him as king. So when he burned the lord of House stark and asphyxiated his heir, it was more out of his own paranoia and madness.
Why didn't he just use his feet?
@@danieldiaz7065 Doesn't matter what Aerys thought of Rhaegar, the law would still demand that anyone who called for Rhaegar's death be killed themselves. Also, Rickard WAS plotting treason, so his execution is also justified
I chalenge you to do a "House Frey Family Tree" video.
If you have no value for your mental sanity of course
that would be suicide
whycreate *palpatine voice*
"Do it."
Fabled Pictures Dew It.
actually the factions within house Frey are quite fascinating, so that would be a fun video to speculate on
I don't consider Maegor to be mad. He was a product of his mother upbringing and his war-time surroundings.
He was cruel :p but I don't see him as mad.
Tywin was no better than him, and he wasnt mad, just pure evil :D
Tywin ain't evil o.o ..Tywin is just coldly practical. He was never cruel without extremely good reason, in his eyes. Tywin is far from evil, to me. And yes, Maegor was very similar to him, only he rode a big ass dragon + xD
RegTarg011 Well he did kill all the Reynes including the children, just because the head of the family disrespected him, dont even get me started on the targaryen kids. He knew exactly what the Mountain was capable of and what he was unleashing on Ellia, he wasnt stupid or blind
Reyne's were plotting a rebellion against him.. Targaryen children, his only mistake was not killing Daeny too. From HIS perspective, not ours, he is practical man, not evil. There's a big difference. Those Targ kids could one day raise armies and kill millions, like Daeny doing now, he did what was safer for the realm and end of the rebellion.
RegTarg011 well if u follow that logic Myrcella got what she deserved, and Shireeen needs to die so that she will never try to take the throne after her father :P thats why 6 kingdoms are against the lannisters right now, way to be practical o lord Tywin
As far as we know Dany could be mad too. Aerys didn't show signs of madness till his later years and Dany has become more and more bloodthirsty as the books go on.
As far as we know, anyone in the series could be mad, or going mad. And there are lots of people in the series way more bloodthirsty than her.
Even if you think that only Targaryens are likely to be mad (in spite of the fact that some other people in the series seem more likely to be batshit crazy, like Cersei or Euron), then you should be also speculating whether Jon Snow (Rhaegar's son) or Stannis (great-grandson of Aegon V) are/will go crazy.
FrakkinToaster Luvva here's the thing, when siblings have incest and create Offspring then their genes basically duplicate and mutate.
Jon snows mother, lyanna, was not a targeryen and when a another person with different DNA have Offspring with the inbred then the DNA resets so that everythings fine
stannis DNA is already alterd to much from egg through the generations
and Euron is just a sociopath
Just because people are worse in the series does not make her actions less troubling.
Its true that anyone in the series could be mad (and many are) but the writer has clearly stated that products of incest are at a higher risk of that, and like Aron Johansson said Stannis's DNA has altered since his grandmother's Targaryen DNA was added whereas Dany is directly from sibling incest who themselves were born of sibling incest.
Jon (at least in the books anyway) might not be R+L=J. Also in the books Jon is currently freshly stabbed, if he is dead and brought back to life he most likely will be a different person and possibly mad as Catelyn is.
PartyPoison12 We weren't discussing the morality of Dany's actions. The subject is whether she is going to go mad. And there is no evidence at all in the books that she's mad, going mad, or will go mad. There's just evidence that she's worrying about it - which makes it all the less likely that she will go mad. Cersei (canonically compared to the Mad King by Jaime, who knew the Mad King very well) never worries about going mad, for instance.
" the writer has clearly stated that products of incest are at a higher risk of that,"
Really? When did he say that?
First off, if that were true in general, then not just Jaime and Cersei but also Ned, Lyanna, Brandon and Benjen would be as likely to go mad/have been mad, as their parents were first cousins. But that does not happen unless there is a recessive gene for a specific illness running in the family. So I guess you mean the Targaryens, under the assumption they had a 'madness gene' in the family. But the evidence does not support that. See my answer to Aron Johansson.
Aron Johansson No, their genes do not "duplicate and mutate", I have no idea where you got that or what you even mean by that. Siblings don't have the same DNA, unless they are identical twins, in which case they can't have a child together as they are both of the same biological sex. And genes mutating has nothing to do with whether people are related.
What does happen is that there is a greater probability of the child getting a pair of recessive genes for a congenital disease if their parents are closely related (but only if they have that gene in the first place, of course). Which doesn't mean that it has to happen, or that it can't happen with people who aren't related.
So, we would have to assume that there is a 'madness gene' in the Targaryen family.
But then why was Rhaegel mad? His mother was Mariah Martell. She had no Targ blood at all. Why was Aerion Brightflame mad? His mother was a Dayne. Again, absolutely no relation to the Targs. So, 2 out of 4 or possibly 5 Targaryens that were mad (it's debatable whether Maegor was insane or just exceptionally cruel and ruthless, and in addition, his more 'mad' behavior occurred after he died and was resurrected and may have been caused by that) weren't products of incest. On the other hand, there's a bunch of Targaryens who were products of incest but who were perfectly normal, and even in some cases among the greatest monarchs that Westeros had ever had (Daeron the Good).
So, the evidence doesn't actually offer that much support to the theory of congenital Targaryen madness caused by recessive genes/inbreeding.
Meant to write "vipers" and not "vipes" -__-
Vipes are dornish people who vape.
"beggar" not "begger"
whycreate King Baelor, Prince Rhaegal, and Prince Aerion were not born of incest. King Baelor's mother was a Velaryon, Aerion's mother was a Dayne, and Rhaegal's mother was a Martell. King Aerys II wasn't mad, he was driven there from all the happenings during his reign. Prince Viserys can be made a case for, third generation incest BUT Rhaegar and Daenerys were fine.
Mad, not made
Has the viper come to vipe the vindows?
8:05 he was crazy, danced around naked, and died choking on a pie..
but somehow managed to have 3 children?
Probably while dancing naked and eating pie.
Crazy Targaryen king: "Come along dear time to conceive our next child."
The poor queen: "Can't this wait until later in our bedroom?.......oh God no..."
*the crazy king drags the poor queen in front of his court and strips naked and starts dancing awkwardly*
Crazy Targaryen king: "Get undressed my love!!! AND BRING OUT THE PIE!!!! I'M FILLING MY WOMAN WITH BABY JUICE!!!"
*The court gasps in horror....except for one lone pervert who gives him a thumbs up*
Martin: "And that is one of my rejected stories from Game of Thrones."
Well, you don't need to be a genius or sane to follow basic instincts.
You will notice it when you get to know some people, natural selection is sure but also slow.
Sounds Joffrey
@@Melodyofthesea78 it's unfair, Rhaegel Targaryen was known as a really gentle men.
Taegaryen madness was focused on cause they were looking for a weakness to spit on a great house. Lannister also had their mad son Joeffery, Greyjoys are full of mad men and even Brandon stark was a hotblooded tempermental man. Yes Taegaryns are mad, but the Game of Thrones world brings out the madness in men
Truee
If guys like varys , little finger, cersei,Tywin etc I would also be paranoid all the time
@@faisalkamal4319 Robert Beratheon didn't need to go down to madness
@@robch.2901 instead became a useless drunkard.
@@robch.2901 technically the first Baratheon were bastard Targaryen so they’re cousins
Maegor was not mad. He saved the Targaryen Dynasty the best way possible. The Dragon bows to no man. You also forgot to add Maelys Blackfyre the Monstrous. By blood he is Targaryen.
Daemon Blackfyre yeah makes sense but he was an Blackfyre Named after the sword Blackfyre
Daemon Blackfyre Aren't you a bit mad?
Mean Jean Mad that my birthright was stolen but not mentally.
Daemon Blackfyre Aemon betrayed you he left you to die
Maegor saved the dynasty by usurping the throne of his brothers sons, killing them and producing no progeny of his own, that's what you wanted to say. He saved House Targaryen in the same way that show Sand Snakes saved House Martell. Also Meagor was a case of several mental illnesses - delusions, megalomania, severe paranoia and psychopathy included.
Barristan the bold: stops a rebellion and frees the king.
Baelor the blessed: that's cute!
well dorne weren't rebelling in baelor's time. aegon failed to conquer them same for his descendants until daeron(baelor's brother) but by the end of the same year dorne had gained its independence and daeron's appointed ruler of dorne was dead and soon same happened to daeron and his army
1:52 "Maegor, along with his MOMMY, Visenya..." Lol. Did you just say mommy?
DrDelicious70 didn't hear that the first time lol
I had to replay it to make sure that’s what he said lol. I was thinking is this kid 5
Yeah Maegor was a momma's boy to Visenya, he did everything she wanted.
I heard that and played it back twice to make sure i hard it right. Likely just a slip of the tongue, but still.
After visenya died maegor became mad
Baelor looks like a weird blond Jesus. If you get offended by this it was not my intent :)
Hi People it was the drawing not actually the way he looked
Mianah 9A he didn't "actually" look like anything... He's a fictional character.
I'm pretty sure the artist make Baelor look like that on purpose.When you hear about a man being called "Blessed",walking on deserts for days,fasting,being celibate,etc..You immediately thing about Jesus in the west.Although Baelor didn't do any miracles.
The comparison with Gandhi isn't that accurate,since Baelor wasn't emancipating a country through pacifism,but it it was more accurate,maybe Baelor would be bald.
Samantha ba ha ha ha omg you are correct
@Johanna Jesus isn't a fictional character, there is written proof that a man named Jesus walked around in Jerusalem and was crucified, whether he returned is unknown and up to debate, but he sure as fuck existed, goddamn people who say "Jesus didn't exist" are retarded.
How did you not put Aegon IV on here? His last great request legitimized all his bastards (He had quite a few) and sparked a 5 generation rebellion that almost destroyed House Targaryen altogether.
He wasn't mad, just a worse version of Robert, constantly drinking, eating and sleeping around.
Robert may have been a drunk and a whoremonger, but he was still a good man inside. Aegon IV was just an all around, greedy, lustful, lazy bastard.
Han Solo he's not mad, he's just a filthy scoundrel
that was more out of spite than anything else
Wasn't mad, just a shit ruler
No mention of Summerhall? Arguably, Summerhall was possibly the initial root of his insanity. We don't have many details, but it's pretty clear he saw his grandfather, uncles, aunts, and a good portion of the kingsguard die brutally. Right when his first son was born too. Imagine that, if you can. Most of your family dying on the very eve where you become a father for the first time.
Aerys shows signs of suffering from PSTD. Literally, half of his descriptions, down to the maniac mood shifts, are signs of PSTD. Surely he had genetic predisposition to madness, but between Summerhall and the Defiance of Duskendale were what broke him, turning him into the worst king to sit the Iron Throne.
Also, it is arguable that more than just the ones you listed here were, in one way or another, mad. Madness doesn't always equal dancing naked in the halls or taking a shot of wildfire to become a dragon. Sometimes it's as simple as sleeping around constantly and bequeathing lavish gifts to random people.(here's looking at you, Aegon the Unworthy.)
Even Aegon the Unlikely's obsession with restoring dragons, the thing that literally caused most of the Targaryens of his day to die, could be considered a form of madness.
I don't think he saw his family die. They were deep inside the castle and only a few people were there. Also most of the Targaryens didn't die at Summerhall, only two died and Aegon only wanted to bring back dragons since all the high lords went against his reforms and he needed something to back his power up.
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But knowing that part of your family died like that and that you could have easily been one of them... would it not have affected you in any way?
I agree with you about Aegon the Unlikely. If one believes him to be mad because of his desire for dragons than everyone creating anything is mad, as there is always a risk of it going south, especially if it's weaponry.
You could make a strong case of the leaders of the USA having been mad for creating atom bombs, for example. Or the Ancient Greeks for creating Greek Fire.
Great video as always!
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"Maegor, along with his 'mommy?'" That sounds maddeningly frightening....lolololol
Seven Thirty Dude Visenyia seems like a scary person If you got on her bad side...
@@noxtrin3315 she was a dragon rider
Viserys was a spoiled brat that’s why he couldn’t hang in the real world. Just like how Cersei stayed within the castle at Kings landing for so long that she was unfamiliar with anything outside the red keeps walls. She really thought she had power but was also a userper
He was not spoiled he will just a kid that was told Westeros iron Throne belong to him nobody respected him he had nothing he bagged just to feed his sister the only hope he had was iron Throne belong to him and that made him angry and greedy because he never had anything
@@gamingrepair1338
Someone gets it
these armchair psychologists man. Viserys was just a dumb and abusive asshole but i guess that's all it takes to be diagnosed as "mad".
so cersei is like a new version of maegor the cruel
Some people say that Jamie and cersi are actually targarians.
Not NEARLY as bad. Maegor had all four limbs cut off a guy and then forced Maesters to heal him and keep him alive. He even forced the guy to attend one of his weddings.
Side note: Maegor had a thing for killing Maesters. It’s a good thing he isn’t around to harm Sam....
Naomi Nagler they are not Targaryens at all.
@ Op: Cersei is a saint compared to maegor.
Cersei the Ruthless.
@@idontuploadanym0re Imagine if the ghost of Maegor suddenly appears and fucking terrifies Sam.
Maegor reminds me of Henry VIII.
Jovan Mitrić in what way?
Samuel Wolch Maybe because he had 6 wives like Henry VIII
Aegon the 4th resembles Henry the 8th more than maegor.
Samuel Wolch Multiple wives in a chase to get a son as the other have stated, he also had issues with the church and ended up taking on his own new interpretation and removing the power that church held in England. He was also the younger son of the king though didn't over step is own nephew (Richard 3rd style) however he married his brothers wife and Maegor did something rather similar in marrying a widow of his family.
Similar, but Mhegor cared not if his people loved him. Henry wasn't nearly as cruel. It's just with both you weren't going to "deceive" them. Yet, we know how that went with Henry Tudor.
With Baleor the Blessed, you see that madness takes two forms: Cruel and Despotic, or Holier then Thou, and in Baleor's case he was someone who was so devoted to his faith, that he failed to see he was sliding deeper and deeper into insanity
and dany walks both paths without noticing
''Everytime a Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land''
People say Viserys was mad and Dany wasn't. Which could be true. But who said the coin didn't land on the same side two times a row? Lets wait and see in Season 8. Where Jon is actually the heir to the Throne, everything Dany worked up until now will go to waste, since she has no claim over it.
Miranda Lou but if she finds out that Jon is her nephew,I don't think she is gonna mind Jon being on the throne.Also they have the incest thing going on
Maybe..but ever since she was little she always thought she and Viserys was heir to the iron throne...then suddenly after all 7/8 seasons she doesn't get to sit on it anyway because suddenly someone else is heir to it..thats gonna hard for her to swallow. And i don't think its gonna go down like this: ''So..Dany, my brother who can see in the past said i'm heir to the throne...so..'' Just imagine that...i dont think Dany will be ''Okey'' at all xD
H P Oh Mann your comment is on top now You calculated it right
@@SnakePearls1Except for the fact that there's no logic to it at all
I don't see dumb and dumbers season as truth. I'm waiting for the books they royally f@cked it up. They drove her "mad" in 1 season. Looked like a mad dash to make it seem right. Sloppy.
I never really thought Viserys was "mad" alot of his behavior makes perfect sense. He lost all of his family besides his younger sister and grew up having to struggle to survive in a world where powerful people wanted him dead. He was the last surviving Targaryen from a long lineage of great Kings and felt he had a destiny to restore his family's legacy. He forced his dreams and aspirations onto his sister whom he effectively had to become the parent of meanwhile being a child himself. One event that especially broke him was having to sell his last bit of jewellry which he kept in memory of his mother. He then made the tough decision to sell out Danaerys as his ticket to the throne.
its kinda weird that you make some of the best and informative videos and have so little subs while others that live on reddit theories have so much
wow thanks!
Agreed
whycreate only thing is euron is your fave greyjoy I'm a victarian fan myself
Victarion is a pretty cool character with a VERY interesting story going on
it's because of his poor speech and pronunciation. The content is realy good but it's hard to understand and really infuriating. the way. he always. cut. his sentences. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah !
Targaryens obsession:
1.Mad King Areys Targaryen-
Is obsessed with wild fire to
kill people cause he thinks
everyone try to kill him.
2. Rhaegar- Is obsessed having a
third child to be 3 heads dragons,
because of his visions signs,
The Prince that was promise,
a savior hero.
3. Daenerys- Is obsessed
with Iron throne and her
Motherly protector of her dragons,
She wants the 7 Kingdoms,
She is obsessed with power.
4. Jon Snow- Is obsessed
protected the North from
white walkers because
the prophecy he sees in
his visions and real life,
he's more forcus on that than anything a true hero,
who doesn't cares, if he dies
but protected the North for
it's about to become,
there must always be
a Stark in North,
a long night is coming,
and dead comes with it.
Jon more forcus on keep
everyone safe especially
the north.
Jackie Campbell Rheagar wasn't mad and he wasn't obsessed with having a third child nor did he rape Lyanna. That's only the way Robert told the story, but if you read the books and pay attention to all the storys Meera tells, you find out, that L and R were in love and both unhappy with their betrothal/marriage.
And for John, if the nightking crosses the wall (which he will most likely do), he will be able to collect the biggest army ever, since all the dead from the previous wars are still there, all the dead Lannisters, Starks, Boltons, Tullys, Freys etc. will join one army. And also winter is there, but the Lords forgot to collect supplys and to ration it. But as the people of westeros know, a winter is always as long as the previous summer and they had the longest summer to ever be in Westeros. If nothing is done, all will starve eventually. So John is actually the only rational person to fight for the north and therefore for humanity, while all the other ones still play their little game of thrones, killing each other and therefore helping the nightking.
Anna Avertho I absolutely agree with you about Jon, but Jackie has a point about Rhaegar. Yes, he may have been the most beloved prince his dynasty has ever seen and was at a very good person all around, but that does not negate the fact that he WAS obsessed with the prophecy of the Prince that was Promised and as a consequence made some terrible and rash decisions that, as said, effectively wiped out his family and ended their reign. I don't doubt that him and Lyanna were in love and I personally love their story, but I'm sure they could have had the third prophesied baby another way that wouldn't have involved needlessly starting a war. That's just my two cents however, feel free to disagree. It's good drama either way.
Maegor was cruel not mad, Baelor was pious not mad, and Viscerys was cruel and a pompous brat but not mad.
Pretty sure Baelor was mad, when you read the World Of Ice and Fire and the way he is described, it's clear that even if he wasn't mad, he certainly was a bit delusional.
Baelor was a religious fanatic. So yeah, a mad person.
Christian, i agree, anyone who is a fanatic to the extent that he was is clearly mad, listening to the pious voices in his head rather than reason.
Christian Cristof We get it, you're an atheist, but that doesn't really qualify as mad...
If someone told you he's doing something because some voices are telling him to would you react different because those voices, he says, are from an entity from the religion you believe in? He was mad. Also, you mean fanatics are not mad persons?
So Baelor is like Targaryen Jesus
Please, tell us how Jesus was like Baelor, outside of the generosity to the poor
@SamTheWayne How do you know that? That was 2000 years ago...
@SamTheWayne yea man I mean if you think about it. He was literally telling everyone he heard his father's voice in his head. He also destroyed business and homes because he didn't like the ruling class. Jesus could've very well been exactly as you described.
@Enetheru1999 Hold up. Jesus WASN'T an authoritarian fanatic listening to voices in his head?! How so? The man literarly believed he was the human embodiment of god and persisted in this belief until his final breath.
He also went into a desert for 40 days and supposedly talked to the devil.
Maegor was cruel but he was no coward or fool like Viserys II or Joffrey. He won battle of seven legitimately almost dying himself. He built Red Keep and slaughtered all builders and architects for a reason and future kings benefited from this a lot, being usually only people really knowing every keep's secret. Althought I would not like to be his subject I must say he strenghened dynasty a lot. Even wars against faith of seven which were compromised later on showed them that they are not untouchable as they thought.
He pauses slightly after every third/fourth word.
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Theoretically, this list could be expanded to include some other Targaryens who weren't "mad" in the traditional sense but definitely showed signs of mental disorders. Aenys probably had anxiety problems, seeing as how he struggled to make decisions for fear of offending someone. Plus, he essentially died of a panic attack (albeit maybe helped along by Visenya) when trying to deal with the Faith Militant. Then there's Aegon III, who seemed to suffer from lifelong depression after watching his mother get eaten by a dragon. His survivor's guilt of escaping from pirates on dragonback and leaving his brother to be captured couldn't have helped either.
I don't know why but I really liked Maegor the Cruel...seems like a lovely fellow 😁
In all seriousness, he seems like a very interesting character, like a brutal badass viking with dragons.
I haven't read the books...i feel like a noob here.
Me too, but at least your learning through videos about the lore.
Thanks for discussing the Targaryens at such length! All we know about them comes from the bits and pieces from Viserys, pre-melting, and Jaime's musings and Tyrion's reading. They have potentially the most interesting storyline of all, if you like the dragons, the tales of Meraxes covering whole cities with this shadow before engulfing them in flame, the dragon attack at Harrenhal (whose evidence we still see when Arya is Tywin's servant there(, and how the citizens of King's Landing came to the dragon pit and killed the dragons they found there certainly bear some chapters of their own somewhere, if only someone writes them down in another book someday.
Rhaegar Targaryen could be added to this list because of his obsession with the prophecy of ice and fire, and the Prince that is promised.
One of the theories is that he only married Lyanna Stark because after Elia Martell gave birth to his son he found out that she had become barren, the reason for this was that he believed that to make the Targaryens great again the Dragon needed three heads. he planned to get Lyanna pregnant with a Daughter that he would later marry to his son Aegon all with his other daughter Rhaeny.
I don’t think Rhaegar was mad at the time, though. Obsessed, yes, but not yet mad. I think the prophecy would’ve driven him mad further down the line.
@@hkazu63 I thnk in the end, he was a good step into madness even if not compleatly lost in it yet. As something that had been all about doing the right thing, being responsable and all he did literaly the worst thing he could have done . . .he shuld and would have known better, so the fact that he did not tells me he was loosing grip of reality already
If they didn't give a shi about prophecies they d die in the Doom loong time ago 😂
It goes to show how crazy Aerys was to be known as THE Mad King in a line full of mad kings.
After reading Maegor's section in "Fire and Blood" I don't think he was mad more so he was upset no one loved him as King as much as they loved him as the Warrior Prince. King Aeneys was basically a fool more so worried about folks loving him than being a great King. Also King Jaehaerys was far more loved than Baelor
Daenerys has gone mad because of all the losses she suffered, remember that she had no family, everyone wanted her dead, her husband Khal Drogo died, she couldn't have children anymore because of the witch and she lost respect from the dothraki, she obtained three dragons that she treated like her children, they were kidnapped by the mages of Qarth and after that, she had lots of troubles in Meereen with the sons of the harpy, the dragons that she couldn't control anymore, she learned that Jorah had betrayed her, she lost ser barristan, later in season 8 two of her dragons died, Jorah died (and that was a big loss for her) she learned that Jon was her nephew so he didn't want to continue their relationship, Missandei, her best friend, was killed by Cersei and that's what made her destroy King's Landing.
She wasn't born mad, it's the people of Westeros who broke her, they took everything she had so she killed them. And i forgot a lot of details.
Anyone with a dragon and an army could've done the same thing. Fuck Jon for not trying harder to stop her and Tyrion who turned an idiot in the last seasons.
Also knowing that she wasn't really technically the heir to the throne since Jon is the son of Rhaegar
*Elder Scrolls Music in the background.... you sir, are a man of culture.*
It's official, you can add Dany to this list now!
Not yet. Only HBO dany can be added atm
@@phugindomas Given that George said that the endings would be similar I can't see such a huge plot point as Dany going nuts and taking down Kings Landing not being in the books. If anything she'll likely be more nuts in the books because George can flesh out her descent into madness better than the show did.
I think it's official, Dany is a mad Targaryen.
@@autolicious honestly though, it hasn't even been confirmed if Dave and Dan used his ending. They aren't known for being true to the source material. We will have to wait. You're probably right but we still can't be sure and therefore it is not yet safe to assume.
@@phugindomas I'm assuming based on the books. There is more evidence in the books that's she's gonna go nuts than there ever was in the shows. Just sayin :)
@@autolicious read comment above for my response. We have zero confirmation. Foreshadowing is not a confirmation. As I said, you probably right, but we still cannot say for sure with 100% certainty.
"Whenever a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin"
And world hold it's breath
Although we don’t know much about him I would say Rhaegar might have also been a contender for madness, just not of a cruel and violent kind to the extent of his father. Rhaegar seems to have been a little obsessed with prophecy, so much so to the extent that he ran off with a 15 year old girl who also happened to be the daughter of a Lord Paramount. The consequences of his actions resulted in war and the brutal deaths of his wife and children.
It’s also ironic that Rhaegar went through so much effort to have a Visenya, but Lyanna gave birth to a son.
That picture of Viserys makes him look emo xD
The guy could have just bit his nails instead of having 9 inch nails. Heh, nine inch nails.
Maegor was short tempered and prone to violent fits of rage, but he had to fight the faith militants who were bent on overthrowing the Targaryens.
He could have negotiated. King Jeharys was successful in convincing septum into making an exception for Targeryans
@@travisbickle4360 He took their Trial by Seven and won, and they chose to continue rejecting him. Tell me, what more was he supposed to do? Trial by combat is supposed to be decided by the gods, trial by seven even more so, and the Faith of the Seven REJECTED the results.
@@DavidbarZeus1 True. It's probably what he did that the septum finally decided to compromise with the Targeryans even though Jehangir also used diplomacy to get his choice elected
"Everytime a new Targaryen is born the gods toss the coin in the air and the world hold its breath to see how it will land" I always wondered that Oberyn would suit this saying if the coin fell on the side and stood upright. Too bad Martin killed him off way before his time
You could also argue that Aemond, the one who fought Daemon the rouge prince over the God's Eye, was also mad based on his actions as both a child and an adult. I think the best way to tell whether a person is mad or not is to see their action as a child like Joffery. The other "Mad" people grew into madness rather than being born with it.
areys was never friends with tywin he took great pleasure mocking tywin and it is possible he screwed tywins wive johanna and fathered babie or babies with her
Nefer Anubis they were friends from childhood... he hated him later when tywin as hand of the king as the public loved and respected tywin and Aerys grew jealous.
Seaneas You are correct.
Nefer as Grand Maester Pycelle points out..."Lord Tywin was not a man to feast on another man's leavings," As he was citing Lady Johanna being dismissed from the queen's service, that was for The Mad King taking unwanted liberties with her person during the bedding ceremony after she wed Lord Tywin
If Baelor hated everything he saw around him then why did he even bother living
He thought he could erase sin from the world.
@@godzillavkk yup
@@godzillavkkbased
Aerion brightflame was the most hilarious story of Tagaryen madness. The prince who thought he was a dragon...
I couldn’t help but laugh at Maegor. That guy was shooting some serious blanks
their blood must've been fucking strong indeed to have so few instances of madness while marrying siblings to each other for so many generations lmfao
Some people think Daenerys should be on this list, but I have to disagree. It could be just be because she's gained so much power. Power corrupts people and she has so much of it with dragons, loyal counselors like Tyrion, dothraki, an army of former slaves who are forever grateful for their freedom, and the unsullied. She's also been through things that has made her toughen up and harden her heart like having her brother sell her to gain an army. Not to mention she's fire proof so she's probably feeling on top of the world and near untouchable.
4:31 Surfer Jesus
You've moderated the speed of your voice! Much appreciated!
+1 on Maegor not being mad. He was just gangsta. The first gangsta Targaryen
is that elder scrolls music in the background...
I believe we can add Dany to the list although she's more driven mad than born mad. I agree that her brother Visceris was mad, we could have actually seen more of this madness if he succeeded to become king. Plus the way he would sometimes look at Dany made me think that he would have probably married her afterwards and continued this madness tree family.
MFUNI KAKAYA DEBORAH most targs weren’t born mad neither. Even Aerys was a kinda normal guy, till he got captured and taken as hostage for about a half year at age 40. Viserys and Dany probably wouldn’t have become mad if they had grown up in a better environment also. In psychology they believe that madness is caused by genetical defects AND the enviroment you grow up to. Viserys was under the influence of targaryen propaganda most of his life, had to see his mother die & his father becoming insane, was confronted with the brutal deaths of his parents, brother, baby cousins and most of the loyalist of his family at the age of seven. Then living with his sister on the streets for long periods of time... Dany had it also very bad, never knowing a place like home, having a abuse brother no family left, being forced to marry and raped at the age of 13. Seeing your last family member (and only person you knew for more then a month), husband and son die. Then being given the highest amount of power possible, becoming a leader and queen in a year, supported by people who believe you’re a god. That even people with normal genetic would become at leats very labil at this point is no question.
I love watching your videos, they're so chill and educating
Ultimate fantacy matches: The Mountin vs Maegor The Cruel
Maegor the cruel has dragons
Maegor has always been my favorite character. Not sure why he is....he simply is.
I think you could also touch on how Rhaegar was slightly obsessed with prophecy. It's not as strong of a case as the ones you mentioned in this video, but I think it's still worth mentioning.
I still love your voice after all these years. Only you can make me smile when thinking about this show. Grateful for and to you.
Now add Daenerys Targaryen, Queen of the Ashes and Destroyer of the realm.
Lol, I love the titles that you added to her. 😂 I myself am a fan of "The Bitch That Was Promised" 😂
She is so crazy , such a crazy lady
That isn't canon you clods.
Sorry, but why is burning ONE city enough to make her insane? Merciless, sure, but not insane.
The books is the only thing that matters
Baelor the Blessed is basically King Edward the Confessor before William Norman's conquest of England.
I really believe that Jon Snow killed Daemarys because he saw the madness that was growing inside of her. When she set fire to King's Landing Snow knew that she was capable of doing much worse things as she described moving all around Westeros and 'correcting; what she diidn't like.
Wow, your voice is just pure gold, please never stop making TH-cam content!
Rhaegar and Aegon V could be considered unstable too. They were obsessed with prophecy and ruined their family
omg, first off, umm, I love this just like all your other videos
:D
Stannis kills his brother and burns people for the Red God, while Baelor walks through the desert, and snakes for his family, and only burns books instead of ppl, is considered mad? If that is so add Stannis to the list too, cuz he was Aerys cousin, but his fans get butthurt when u mention his relation to the mad Kings of house Targaryen, cuz hes Mr. Perfect doing his duty. His grandmother was Aerion Brighflame niece, aunt to Aerys the Mad, no wonder he burns people
Baelor did more then what you mentioned. Stannis was far from mad. If you witnessed the things Melissandre is capable of doing, you would probably think her god actually exists.
whycreate They're both religious fanatics. Fanatism aint madness theres a difference. Without Davos aka Jiminy Cricket in his shoulder keeping him in line (sometimes), give Stannis a couple of years following Melissandres God and he will become as bad as Aerys. Hes already burning people for his God. At least Baelor helped them, fed them. If Stannis did the same, maybe ppl would actually want to fight for him, instead he has to hire sellswords cuz no one gives a fuck about him but Davos and Shireen
Stannis is not a religious fanatic at all. Melisandre is. Stannis is an atheist who recognizes Melisandre's powers and knows he needs them to win the throne. He says so explicitly in Davos' first chapter in A Clash of Kings.
He also has very strict rules who he burns: only those who are condemned to death anyway, as traitors (like Alester Florent) or deserters from the Watch (Mance Rayder) or cannibals (those guys in his army that ate one of the dead soldiers because they were hungry, during the march to Winterfell). They are going to die anyway, so instead of hanging or beheading, he gives them to Mel to burn. He's even refusing to burn an Ironborn captive (Asha) when the Queen's Men (R'hllor followers) in his army are asking for it. He was tempted to say yes to Mel burning his young nephew Edric Storm as a sacrifice to win the throne, but was very unsure about it, and in the end he agreed that Davos was right and didn't punish or demote him for saving Edric.
I'm not one of the Stannis fans, and the guy has lots of flaws and is very morally ambiguous, but saying he's a religious fanatic is just wrong. If he's fanatic about anything, it's about adhering to the laws and his very strict ideas about justice and duty. Stannis (or Melisandre, for that matter) burning people just because they are "infidels" is something made up for the show, where Melisandre is made to be a lot more evil than in the books, and Stannis is made to be both a religious fanatic and more evil than in the books. They are certainly not tolerant and they do demolish sacred objects (burning the statues of the Seven at the start of ACOK, which was adapted on the show in the first episode of season 2, burning the sacred weirwoods in A Dance with Dragons) but they aren't forcing anyone to adopt R'hllor. Book Davos himself is a very ardent follower of the Seven, and so are many others among Stannis' men. Melisandre converted some of the wildlings into R'hllorism, but she wasn't forcing them, and a lot of them still follow the Old Gods (as does Jon Snow, and she doesn't seem to have a problem with that, either).
They are both using each other, and they know it - he wants the throne, but doesn't care about R'hllor, she only cares about R'hllor and the fight against the Great Other, and thinks that who's king on the Iron Throne is unimportant, but has been helping Stannis because she thinks he's Azor Ahai.
I don't know why you'd say "when she is the one who does the using". If anything, she's the one who is less likely to achieve her goal, because I think it's pretty clear to the readers that Stannis isn't really Azor Ahai, but Melisandre's chapter in ADWD shows she still believes he is.
What has she won?
Her goal is exactly what she says it is - to save the world from the Great Other, and she thinks Azor Ahai Reborn is instrumental in that fight - which she may be right about. She is just not right that it is Stannis.
What else do you think is her goal? It is not a secret, we have been in her head. She is a typical Well Intentioned Extremist with an "end justifies the means" MO.
Aegon VI Targaryen ( Jon Snow ) is not at all mad. His side is greatness of coin.
oops, now we have to add daenerys to this list
Maegor: maybe bc of his family's dynasty thing u know the whole conquest, he went mad bc his family's dynasty might not go on bc of all the still births? I mean normal people go to intense grief bc of one or two still births. He probably wanted the future of his family to be like him, strong and powerful as wrong as he was, he probably just wanted everything to be stable again.
Baelor: options: he's a cuckoo to his very core or the dragon dreams became too much for him to distinguish it from reality oooor he saw into his family's madness and wanted it to change but never had the guidance to properly do so.
(Burning books was definitely not cool wtf)
Rhaegel: lol yep that's what Incest does to u
Aerion: (why why the cat did nothing wrong oh my gosh) lol wtf he's maegor 2.0
aerys II: extreme circumstances! okay this is just really really sad He could've been the good one if not for the heartbreaking still births.
Viserys: okay so givvvven that his fam and it's dynasty are on the brink, could u imagine the heavy weight on his shoulders? he grew up in admiration to his ancestry and to be one to see and remember how it all went down? That does things to people, not right things but u knowww
Daenerys: she's not maaaaad could u imagine being in her place, doing everything there is to do and still have her children killed and have no one left to even trust anymore. That does things to even normal people okay.
Grief does some shittts
The pauses in your speaking keep distracting from the content
There is no dead air he just reads carefully. Idk man maybe less things you need to think about can really help people like you.
Truer words have not been said 😂
The Habsburg family had a lot of inter marriage which resulted in madness. It is an accurate representation of the results of generations of inter marriage
Baelor was like a Harry Potter fan. He had good intention, but he took his ideals too far and becomes a fanatic.
Madness is not always inborn like what the gods toss coins or something. It could be induced like what happened to Aerys, the Mad King & his son Viserys, the Beggar KIng. Aerys by his traumatic experience in Duskendale drove him mad, really mad! while Viserys actions of "madness" or folly was only because of the pressure & the gried of loosing his throne, birthright & home. It was said that Viserys was kind to Danaerys once, but stopped smiling when they have to sell everything they have, wandering the Free Cities, asking or begging for Magisters or Nobles reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
The "mad Targaryen" stereotype was anti Targaryen propaganda used by their enemies. And no, Dany wasn't mad either...sacking the city was a logical and smart move to cement her power. The reaction of her disloyal subjects was totally insane, however.
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Loving these videos in our time of no thrones, you da man
The first one is cute tho 😘
that's your ancestor
Johny Klebitz I'm a Targaryen after all 😉
Daenerys Targaryen i don't care if jon is the true heir,you are the only queen i know❤
Sharika Khaled Thanks sweetie 😙
Best Game of thrones dedicated channel. Finally someone who actually read the books!!
Thanks :)
Really makes me feel like George RR set up Jamie and Cercei to be Targaryan descendants. I don't think they'll go that route anymore, but I get the destinct impression we're seeing similar traits to a lot of the stuff in the video with both of them and their children
Maegor is not a Mad scientist, he is an ANGRY! - ANGRY SCIENTIST
I tried to. watch this. video but. I couldn't stand. you pausing.... for a second after every. Two words. It was. Very annoying....
Same. I just gave up after two painful minutes. Such a. Shame. I.. am. Disappointed.
I was about to. Type a comment. This same way. My god. It’s very. Hard to listen to.
Saying that Maegor was mad gives an excuse for his foolhardy cruelty and evil disposition. Maegor knew what he was doing when he did it. That's why he was mysteriously found carved open on the Iron Throne and everybody collectively agreed that it was a tragic accident
I would love a video on if there were any "mad Starks" any Stark rulers that were evil or horrible kings/lords.
well one of the stark king thousands of years ago is literally called bran the burner so you can put him on the list. he btw is a guy who burned his own fleet in grief for his father's death. then we have theon the hungry wolf who fought war with andals during the andal invasion and wonthen went to their home in essos burned 100s of villages and brought every man in those village head on a spear and brought them back on the ship. in his case while the north considers him normal andals believed him to be mad for his actions.
7:52 After his death he evolved into 'Sam Riegel' one of my favourite VA from Critical role.
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Wow this is a really good and comprehensive list. Thanks. 👍
I don’t think maeghar was mad at all! He did what was necessary to keep his family alive. The faith was working against him and wanted nothing more then to rid themselves of targaryens! Great video!
Regina Shaw did what was necessary to keep his family alive?? He tortured his teenage nephew to death and then killed his older brother after usurping his crown. He was actively destroying House Targaryen and nearly succeeded.
kahesei shows little dragon madst when she wants but she has a loving heart and kind ways to innocent people
Perhaps a Targaryen shouldn't be on the Iron Throne
@Freya Westergård There should be no Iron Throne and 7 kingdoms
Like Targaryen madness stand out also do their greatness
Targaryens have their fair share of good kings too
@@hueylongdong347Then you'd have war every summer as the kingdoms battle each other for more territory and power
@@DavidbarZeus1 Like the Blackfyre rebellions? Dance of Dragons? War of the five Kings? Robert's rebellion?
Dancing naked and choking on pie....what a king
Aerys wasn’t necessarily mad, we was traumatized and betrayed by his own people which caused him to be paranoid and cold and jealous.
Same as Deanerys
No, Aerys showed signs of insanity even before Duskendale
The Hightowers did no favors for the Dragon riders. Marrying your first born son to your first born daughter is the way to madness.
Targaryen practiced incest to preserve the magical ability to bind and control dragons. With the death of magic, the power in their blood went out of control, making them fall to madness.
Maegor wasn't crazy, he was extremely cruel and unforgiving.