Emilio Reyes Honestly yeah. I think that should extend to their private life. They should all have to live on a big facility away from any major city. Basically it should be like a military base, but for the Legislature. They shouldn’t be getting such fat paychecks either. Overall make it a position of service, not an elite ruling class.
FrontLineTexan 21 Or maybe if their paychecks were fatter they would be less inclined to do the bidding of the corporate owners? There are very few men and women of principle entering politics these days.
revo1974 By making it a position of service you still make it so more people who actually have some principles come in. Again make it a position of service. Make it uncomfortable like it was back then.
You’ve got to remember the colonists were not the usual British cast offs like crooks or poor people who went everywhere else in the British empire. They were proper English folk who just wanted to be English somewhere else. I personally think what really turned the tide was Canada. When the British received it in the peace settlement with France. They started making new rules for them. I think the colony’s felt betrayed. A bit like when a wife finds out there husband is in a relationship with someone else. They think they are exclusive.
@@ReformedSooner24 You could really say 3 times. They'd formed a new legislature in Charlestowne and declared independence in December 1719 from their rulers (Lords' Proprietors). They after convinced George I to adopt SC as a royal colony.
Agreed, South Carolina was always the problem child through the Civil War (John C. Calhoun was a particular Bastard!) and then General Sherman came in for payback!
Then his left hand sprang up and took life of its own as the rest of Rutledge's body turned away and ushered his decided spirit out and away from all of John Adams' consideration. In spirited convulsions of something like the demoniac, the hand would have had more to say whilst listening not, like an angered headmaster towards an insolent student.
I love when Adams is asked who will join them in this "folly" to which he proclaims "France!"...and the expression on ben Franklin's face lmao the pursed lips and exascerpated look of "okay, well, don't go about it like that, John ".
The entire fight for everything the Continental Congress does, Jefferson stays silent or makes a very clear thought provoking point, Ben says something that makes everyone laugh and realize he's right, Adams says something that may be true or false in such a way as to piss off everyone in a 5 mile radius.
It was a pretty bold play by Adams. Many of these men fought against or fled from the French in what was essentially a war of existential importance just over a decade prior, and many still clung to their national identity as Englishmen, albeit disaffected ones. To suggest that France would be the savior of their cause would be tantamount to a modern-day American dissident calling upon Russia to help overthrow the US government.
“People! Dr Franklin knows England better than anyone here! I mean hell, he was once lord Cornwallis and got driven out by Mel Gibson and his militia!”
People with characters similar to Adams don't often get appreciation for their service, public or otherwise, because of the brusque, direct mannerism is disliked.
Ironic how Tom Wilkinson played General Cornwallis, commanding the British Army in 'The Patriot' and then turns around and becomes Benjamin Franklin here.
"The question is not whether by a, by a, Declaration of Independence that should make something of us that we are not .. but whether we should declare a fact, something that already exists" ~ Benjamin Franklin
As much I support Adams in this scene, imagine yourself in the 18th century with no possibility of contacting your possible ally (France), that if they want to enter in a war with Britain about a bunch of colonies in the East Coast of North America? Pretty worrisome and vague to the other members of congress, at best.
...especially considering the fact that France had been the mortal enemy of these colonies (particularly the New England and Middle colonies) for the previous few decades.
Edward Rutledge of South Carolina (wealthy Southerners wore brighter clothing, elaborate wigs, and adopted European mannerisms), was a British-trained lawyer, described by Dr. Hall of GA (iirc) as having a "very nasal voice, like New Englanders when they sing hymnody." His opposition, having been overridden, Rutledge went on to serve his new country with distinction. He was 26 at the time of the Continental Congress.
@@mrbrainbob5320 Having watched multiple family members get so old they forget who the fuck they are... dying at 40-50 would be a fucking blessing. Sign me up.
@@mrbrainbob5320 That's not actually true. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the average lifespan was in the 50s or so because of the high frequency of stillbirths and fatal illnesses at incredibly young ages. If you made it past that, you had a good chance of at least making it to your 60s.
@Rommel the Cat No, it's not. And I'm sorry you're going through it too. My grandfather on my dad's side was the exception... distinguished career on Great Lakes freighters, dined like a king (lasagnas, burgers, beers, cigars, you name it) retired and continued to eat the same way, died comfortably at 65 while taking a nap in his favorite chair, shoelaces untied, unlit cigar in his mouth, TV remote in hand. EMT's said it was the most comfortable passing they ever witnessed in their entire lengthy careers. That's 1 in a million... my ass isn't getting that. But, I plan on continuing to eat like he did, in an attempt to NOT end up like my other family members. Bring on the heart attack, and DO NOT ASSIST.
Old comment but I laugh thinking George Washington was like "France, shit hope I don't have to talk to anyone that knew all the Frenchmen I killed a few years ago.."
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True...but Enemy of my Enemy and all that. The French were a Superpower with enough military might to match and even outclass England...and they would jump at any chance to strike a blow to their power.
@@LaughingOwlKiller All well and good, France did beat Britain in the revolutionary war, but Britain would get their revenge when they took down Napoleon.
@@ReformedSooner24 The term was "Dandy" in those days. The first bicycle was called a Dandy Horse, because it was only the rich effeminate Dandy boys that could afford one.
Good grief. Rutledge was a southern aristocrat. He was from a privileged class and had wealth. It showed in his dress and mannerisms, which were not gay, but arrogant and confident at the same time. You cannot judge the refinement of hundreds of years ago by your phobic interpretations of today.
South Carolina was slow to come around because they didn't want to rock the boat and all the trade with England . Plus many had land grants from the King . There were many loyalists in SC and the British Army had not marched in like they had in Boston .
Michael Hennesy And once the British DID march in? SC came scurrying along and joined the fight like everyone else - just MUCH later than they needed to. They were basically the Freys of the American Revolution. They were also the first to secede later on. Buncha fucking sNoWFLaKeS, if you ask me.
The oldest signer of the Declaration of Independence was Benjamin Franklin. There are now 24 counties named Franklin in the United States. The youngest signer, at age 26, was Edward Rutledge of South Carolina. There are no counties named Rutledge.
Well, I mean, look at their achievements and personality. Little is taught about Mr. Rutledge's opposition in the early days of the war to the end of his political career. Franklin did more and was talked about his the highest regard everywhere.
Ladies and gentlemen, our Founding Fathers Truly God blessed America, because there is no other explanation for us getting passed the Second Continental Congress.
@@dreamtheater6343 I once saw someone on Twitter state that it was amazing that Americans can come together every 4th of July to celebrate despite being so divisive year-round. My response? Of course because no matter what we could be, better than being England 😂😂😂
@@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate Better than being England? you were all English decedents yourselves back then including your founding fathers, it was a civil war you were fighting.
I know this post was made seven years ago, and you have probably gotten your answer already elsewhere since then, but for the record, the actor playing Edward Rutledge was a then-26 year old American named Clancy O'Connor. And he is openly gay, according to the Wikipedia page I read on him.
Rutledge was a preening peacock, but even he had no choice to come around in the end. Of course, it cost us the possibility of ending slavery, right then and there...
@Sturgeon So did North Carolina. Doctor Thomas Hall, however, did not own slaves and didn't believe it had value. Georgia, for a good 60 years, actually refused endorsing slavery as an economical means.
That possibility never existed. Don't take the musical 1776 as history. The South was united against the slavery passage and it was removed with no fuss.
As I understand it many who appalled slavery wrote the Declaration, or the Constitution with Emancipation in mind. Problem was unity and independence was the more important matter for the colonies at the time.
There exist many, many documents from the entire founding period. Remember, in the 1770"s they didn't have TV, radio & the many other things we have today that cause many people to not read or write. In addition, the founders were educated intellectual professionals... all these things combined to cause their lives & culture to be one in which they wrote very much. In fact, in general, all of the colonists were quite well educated because they were nearly all Protestants. Since their beginning,
Ben Franklin: "Mr. Adams is right! Let us send an envoy to King Louis while our affairs wear a hopeful aspect" Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "I nominate Ben Franklin to go to Paris" Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "Second!"
The colonies had just gone through a fear of French invasion from Canada in the Seven Years War that ended only in 1763. So that guy shouting "Mr. Adams would make us French subjects" was not far off the mark. The colonies were weak and France was strong, a mere 15 years earlier having posed a grave threat to the existence of the colonies as English-speaking, Protestant jurisdictions. Only the might of the British Empire kept the French in check by running them out of Canada. Thus the threat of French invasion and conquest was not to be taken lightly in 1775 and 1776 if it were only the weak colonies keeping French military and naval power in check...
After reading 1776 and John Adams by David McCullough . John Adams is by far my favorite President and founding father of our country. We were a breath away from losing the war for Independence it is amazing that we won. We had ordinary men do extraordinary feats of courage and ingenuity. These men here changed the course of history in the world at that time as no nation as the United States ever existed in history. An amazing time to be alive although not at that time only as the centuries have passed do we see the daring action they set us upon. I would not like to imagine had our Revolution had not gone the way it did. The world would be a different place.
And, now, in this most desperate of times do we once again need patriots of this caliber to fight back against the neo-nazis globalists and their leftist minions. Unfortunately, no such genes seem to remain among us.
Here's a little history lesson the United States is not democracy it's not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and it's not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States don't be lazy go see the declaration of Independence in person and the same with the Constitution of the United States of America people are so damn lazy they would rather look it up on their smartphones or laptops but what I'm trying to say is if you see the original declaration of Independence in person you will experience something that you've never felt before but you would have to experience this for yourself then and only then you'll truly understand what I'm trying to say
Most of this ( Arguments) (Independence) had been done, at The City Tavern.......These guys were drunk or drinking most of this Time. .. Must be a Philadelphian to know this.........Most scholars an historians are quite amazed that anything had been done..........considering the City Tavern............lol...........true..............
Adam's and Franklin both knew the intricacies of great Britain and Adam's knew the only way to bring parliament to the table was by force which ended up being right.
If you ever get a chance to go visit Philadelphia and the first Congressional Hall do it the feeling that you get when you walk inside that building the wife and I had a chance to do it last summer and I felt about 2 inches tall. There's just something about that building and its presence knowing what took place in that building and the people that were there way before any of us
Honestly I can understand them flabbergasted when they heard France will help in fighting for insurrection against their country of Great Britain. It’d be like today if Alaska was pissed at our country of America and asked thought about asking Russia for help for independence. Same thing.
Funny thing how none of these people talk about how they refuse to pay less tax than people living in England, yet they are happy to pay for their own army, AFTER Britain fought for their safety just few years ago. Whole thing came about because Britain needed to replenish funds spent to defend the colonies. Yeah, ask for taxation with representation, but do not forget to mention why those taxes were levied in the first place.
People founded the colonies because they were persecuted in England. The real war was in the West Indies, India and Europe. The colonies were secondary.
@SwiftyMchvey Interesting you should mention this man's name as your ancestor. He was a colorful character, alright. Shame he's not mentioned more. Edward Rutledge, the real Edward, was rather young when all this was happening-he was only 26, so even younger than Jefferson (33) and much younger than Adams (41). Adams described him as a "dandy" and like a lot of rich Southern gents he was given to dressing up in silks and aping the fashions of Europe (he even went (CONT)
The representative from South Carolina show the divide between the north and the south. It was this divide that had to be bridged. The north needed the south to fight the British. The south needed slavery to grow cotton. The founding fathers agreed to make slavery a state issue in exchange for the south agreeing on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Given the language in these documents that all men are created equal and the institution of slavery, the United States was on a collision course with itself.
Without input prejudice to this great nation and people this nation cannot be lead by a general. Generals know only how to make wars but not lead the economy of the nation that is out of the reach of their proficiency. You can win war by arms but you cannot win the economy by guns. Arms are made to keep the peace for the economy to thrive. There is no more real economy in the USA for all your output go to China with only less than one quarter of returns in goods for the balance. Do how long congressmen you think you are to stand in short terms. Economy collapse is always a step stone to wars. Wars for peace is a entrapment for the military complex to prosper on behalf of the citizens upon which you all. Have the noble call to serve. 35bmillions of Americans are on the streets homeless and you all still squabble of your independance. The real independance is when you are ready to uphold dear the good standards of living indépendent of all your citizens. Does this happen in America or not? All your industries doesn't pay a dime to the irs your treasure are loot by the bankers at the expense of the people and yourselves. Your wall streets serve the happy few by looting the savings of your allies foreigner and you all want to the foreign nations to trust your mob government again and again. Only fools don't dare to see the drama that is taken place.
The fact that anything of this worked out at all is mindblowing In summary: Half of the population of a loose alliance of colonies that in turn were also internally divided about some fundamental topics plan on rebelling against the most powerful empire in the world...by asking the people who they themselves kicked out 12 years earlier for help.
Why is it never mentioned that one third of Washington's army were Irish. Washington himself said no country owed another more for its independence as America owed Ireland. The english reported back to their parliament that the irish language was more common to be heard that the english language among Washington's troops. And boy did Ireland pay for its loyalty to the USA because we were still under occupation by England.
The good people of my class still discuss Edward Rutledge's hand wave.
iconic
@@persephonepomegranate2067 ironic is it not?
Hes like "Haters gonna hate" or "bye bitches"
Thug life.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 - Hoes mad.
if they had air conditioning back then, they wouldnt have been so angry i think
Maybe thats what congress needs, less comfort to get things rolling
Emilio Reyes
Honestly yeah. I think that should extend to their private life. They should all have to live on a big facility away from any major city. Basically it should be like a military base, but for the Legislature. They shouldn’t be getting such fat paychecks either. Overall make it a position of service, not an elite ruling class.
FrontLineTexan 21 Or maybe if their paychecks were fatter they would be less inclined to do the bidding of the corporate owners?
There are very few men and women of principle entering politics these days.
Being half drunk all the time probably didn't help either.
revo1974
By making it a position of service you still make it so more people who actually have some principles come in. Again make it a position of service. Make it uncomfortable like it was back then.
"We will not vote for independence, Mr. Adams. Not now, not... until... SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR!"
" Our new Country needs a summer holiday; lest there will be no holiday between #DecorationDay and Labour Day " 😛
He even tells Adams in a later scene that South Carolina was never actually opposed to independence.
You’ve got to remember the colonists were not the usual British cast offs like crooks or poor people who went everywhere else in the British empire. They were proper English folk who just wanted to be English somewhere else. I personally think what really turned the tide was Canada. When the British received it in the peace settlement with France. They started making new rules for them. I think the colony’s felt betrayed. A bit like when a wife finds out there husband is in a relationship with someone else. They think they are exclusive.
Gave me a good chuckle with this one
@@cornusia Britain didn't have enough support from the loyalist who were vastly outnumbered by the patriots.
"We will not vote for independence Mister Adams!" --South Carolina, first to secede from the Union.
Fubar AlAkbar
Ironic isn’t it?
They voted to do so TWICE
@@ReformedSooner24 You could really say 3 times. They'd formed a new legislature in Charlestowne and declared independence in December 1719 from their rulers (Lords' Proprietors). They after convinced George I to adopt SC as a royal colony.
Ironic, considering South Carolina declared independence and formed its own new constitution in March 1776.
Agreed, South Carolina was always the problem child through the Civil War (John C. Calhoun was a particular Bastard!) and then General Sherman came in for payback!
@@Spindacre Calhoun was an ass!
is no one gonna talk about that sassy hand flip at the end? honestly my favorite part of that whole movie is that 2 second hand flip
You mean miniseries
Gay fashion and mannerisms in colonial times.
You would think he of all people would be delighted to join arms with the dandy boys in France.
Grace Morey 200 years without a King or Queen and US is still oppresive.
Oh shut it. You've never lived under any real oppression
I love that guy screaming back "FRANCE!?".
One of the most britain things an american has ever done.
I'm guessing he also didn't want the Irish
And the look on Ben Franklin's face was priceless too, after Adams said France.
@@szahmad2416 "Trust the French." --Benjamin Martin
@@szahmad2416 A look of "I knew this was a bad moment for this proposition"
@@vinnynj78insert Blazing Saddles quote here
"We will not vote for independence Mister Adams! Not now, NOT EVER!" Mr. Rutledge disagreed... calmly.
Then his left hand sprang up and took life of its own as the rest of Rutledge's body turned away and ushered his decided spirit out and away from all of John Adams' consideration. In spirited convulsions of something like the demoniac, the hand would have had more to say whilst listening not, like an angered headmaster towards an insolent student.
And then he voted for independence.
The End.
I love when Adams is asked who will join them in this "folly" to which he proclaims "France!"...and the expression on ben Franklin's face lmao the pursed lips and exascerpated look of "okay, well, don't go about it like that, John ".
The entire fight for everything the Continental Congress does, Jefferson stays silent or makes a very clear thought provoking point, Ben says something that makes everyone laugh and realize he's right, Adams says something that may be true or false in such a way as to piss off everyone in a 5 mile radius.
Mr Adams would make us French subjects!
It was a pretty bold play by Adams. Many of these men fought against or fled from the French in what was essentially a war of existential importance just over a decade prior, and many still clung to their national identity as Englishmen, albeit disaffected ones. To suggest that France would be the savior of their cause would be tantamount to a modern-day American dissident calling upon Russia to help overthrow the US government.
@@bobsnow6242 johjv40
@@MrMikado282 Well, Adams is from Boston
“People! Dr Franklin knows England better than anyone here! I mean hell, he was once lord Cornwallis and got driven out by Mel Gibson and his militia!”
And was later executed in World War 2 after Operation Valkyrie even though he did try to weasel out of it.
@@ledhed5717 and then I just buttered your bread before getting chemo treatment!!
hahah
"Here, HERE!!" *knock knock knock*
Adams, though a determined patriot, had an abrasive approach, and that worked both for him, and against him throughout his career.
Sometimes it helps to be abrasive when dealing with idiots
Ironic seeing as how his cousin was the one who started the Boston Tea Party
It helped him with the dutch
@@jgrj52 I can confirm they instantly respect you when you are DIRECT AF in your questions.
People with characters similar to Adams don't often get appreciation for their service, public or otherwise, because of the brusque, direct mannerism is disliked.
Ironic how Tom Wilkinson played General Cornwallis, commanding the British Army in 'The Patriot' and then turns around and becomes Benjamin Franklin here.
Not sure it's ironic, but interesting...
@@DARisse-ji1yw I'd say it's amusing more than anything.
0:11
I love that they kept Franklin's smartass humorist side
Edward Rutledge does steal the scene. Great acting.
The actor is Clancy O'Connor. He hasn't done much since he was an understudy for a Broadway show in 2014.
"The question is not whether by a, by a, Declaration of Independence that should make something of us that we are not .. but whether we should declare a fact, something that already exists" ~ Benjamin Franklin
I loved this passage!
Yes, Ben Franklin said this in the John Adams miniseries.
The first time Franklin spoke what he thinks and believes.❤️
He had a wife, so probably not. But oh my GOD is he sassy.
Emily Hall The sass master
As much I support Adams in this scene, imagine yourself in the 18th century with no possibility of contacting your possible ally (France), that if they want to enter in a war with Britain about a bunch of colonies in the East Coast of North America? Pretty worrisome and vague to the other members of congress, at best.
They were already at war.
Bruh, they just needed to get on Facebook Messenger.
Considering George Washington alone killed many french men just a few years back as Lieutenant Colonel for his Majesty.
Well, of course, at this point France was already providing us with what would today be called covert aid.
...especially considering the fact that France had been the mortal enemy of these colonies (particularly the New England and Middle colonies) for the previous few decades.
Edward Rutledge of South Carolina (wealthy Southerners wore brighter clothing, elaborate wigs, and adopted European mannerisms), was a British-trained lawyer, described by Dr. Hall of GA (iirc) as having a "very nasal voice, like New Englanders when they sing hymnody." His opposition, having been overridden, Rutledge went on to serve his new country with distinction. He was 26 at the time of the Continental Congress.
The stench in that room....OH MY GOD!
Y’all have to realize we’ve lived longer without all this crap we have now than we have for the last 150 years. There’s nothing wrong with that
@@taegotkash um no in those time dying by your 40-50 was considering of old age and pretty normal.
@@mrbrainbob5320 Having watched multiple family members get so old they forget who the fuck they are... dying at 40-50 would be a fucking blessing. Sign me up.
@@mrbrainbob5320 That's not actually true. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the average lifespan was in the 50s or so because of the high frequency of stillbirths and fatal illnesses at incredibly young ages. If you made it past that, you had a good chance of at least making it to your 60s.
@Rommel the Cat No, it's not. And I'm sorry you're going through it too. My grandfather on my dad's side was the exception... distinguished career on Great Lakes freighters, dined like a king (lasagnas, burgers, beers, cigars, you name it) retired and continued to eat the same way, died comfortably at 65 while taking a nap in his favorite chair, shoelaces untied, unlit cigar in his mouth, TV remote in hand. EMT's said it was the most comfortable passing they ever witnessed in their entire lengthy careers. That's 1 in a million... my ass isn't getting that. But, I plan on continuing to eat like he did, in an attempt to NOT end up like my other family members. Bring on the heart attack, and DO NOT ASSIST.
that "thug life" hand flip at the end
1:19 . . . France. "FRANCE!!!!!" "FRANCE!!!!!" "AH NAH NOT FRANCE" "OH HELL NO NOT FRANCE" "ANYTHING BUT FRANCE"
Sam H. Any alternative? No? So it’s France! If the French are ok.
1:19 - You're welcome
John Adams knew the French hated the British more than they did so it was an excellent suggestion.
Old comment but I laugh thinking George Washington was like "France, shit hope I don't have to talk to anyone that knew all the Frenchmen I killed a few years ago.."
Adams was right.
Ironic that South Carolina said “We will not vote for independence, not now, not ever”
I came here for the hand wave at the end
All the Congress scences are the best! I love Rutledge and the little wave he does at the end!!
Anyone else hear the buzzing fly whenever that sweaty dude speaks?
Studentofgosset i did
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Ben Franklin you mean?
The founding femboys
Ironic that Adams suggested asking the French for aid when there's probably no one else in that room that detests the French more than Adams himself.
True...but Enemy of my Enemy and all that. The French were a Superpower with enough military might to match and even outclass England...and they would jump at any chance to strike a blow to their power.
@@LaughingOwlKiller All well and good, France did beat Britain in the revolutionary war, but Britain would get their revenge when they took down Napoleon.
@@ChrisCrossClash Who? That nobody nobleman in Corsica? That guy?! He'll never be anything.
@@Agent1W*Corsican Emperor Noises*
2:29- "So long, gay boys!"
xcalabur18
Ironic because I think he actually was gay. I may be wrong on that one though.
@@ReformedSooner24 The actor was. Is.
@@ReformedSooner24 The term was "Dandy" in those days. The first bicycle was called a Dandy Horse, because it was only the rich effeminate Dandy boys that could afford one.
"France."
"FRAAAANCE?!?!?"
rocketman544. Well, yeah, France.
Mr. Adams would make us FRENCH subjects, then!
England is our common enemy, sir.
@@KT-vk1bw beat me to it
Good grief. Rutledge was a southern aristocrat. He was from a privileged class and had wealth. It showed in his dress and mannerisms, which were not gay, but arrogant and confident at the same time. You cannot judge the refinement of hundreds of years ago by your phobic interpretations of today.
Actually, the actor playing it is openly gay, so.
@@hernanlope2475 That's not the issue. He was acting like an 18th century, Irish-Scotch aristocrat, you fool.
South Carolina was slow to come around because they didn't want to rock the boat and all the trade with England . Plus many had land grants from the King . There were many loyalists in SC and the British Army had not marched in like they had in Boston .
(waves hand saucily in agreement)
Michael Hennesy And once the British DID march in? SC came scurrying along and joined the fight like everyone else - just MUCH later than they needed to. They were basically the Freys of the American Revolution. They were also the first to secede later on. Buncha fucking sNoWFLaKeS, if you ask me.
The oldest signer of the Declaration of Independence was Benjamin Franklin. There are now 24 counties named Franklin in the United States.
The youngest signer, at age 26, was Edward Rutledge of South Carolina. There are no counties named Rutledge.
Well, I mean, look at their achievements and personality. Little is taught about Mr. Rutledge's opposition in the early days of the war to the end of his political career. Franklin did more and was talked about his the highest regard everywhere.
To be fair South Carolina historically speaking always has been somewhat rebellious, threatened to secede in 1832 before they actually did it in 1861
Ladies and gentlemen, our Founding Fathers
Truly God blessed America, because there is no other explanation for us getting passed the Second Continental Congress.
To Quote Ben Franklin: "God Bless King George, for only he could cause so much unity amongst us."
@@dreamtheater6343 I once saw someone on Twitter state that it was amazing that Americans can come together every 4th of July to celebrate despite being so divisive year-round.
My response? Of course because no matter what we could be, better than being England 😂😂😂
@@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate Better than being England? you were all English decedents yourselves back then including your founding fathers, it was a civil war you were fighting.
2:29 "Bye Felicia" wave.
And if no alliance comes what then sir? Then so be it. So be it!!?
Love that line :D
It is my only hope that the freedom so dearly bought by the blood of the revolution will not be squandered by future generations.
And how's THAT working out for us now?
We gave up our freedoms for a fake virus. So we done f’ed up.
@@tromboneman4517 Which freedoms would you be talking about? Like, the freedom to be dead?
This mini-series was fantastic.
The actor who plays Rutledge is so adorable! I'm was watching this miniseries and god help me I can't find his name :(
I know this post was made seven years ago, and you have probably gotten your answer already elsewhere since then, but for the record, the actor playing Edward Rutledge was a then-26 year old American named Clancy O'Connor. And he is openly gay, according to the Wikipedia page I read on him.
@@1101millie97 "openly gay", you say? 😏
Dat hand flip doe
Rutledge was /our guy/.
Loving that sassy little hand wave in the end
Rutledge was a preening peacock, but even he had no choice to come around in the end. Of course, it cost us the possibility of ending slavery, right then and there...
@Sturgeon So did North Carolina.
Doctor Thomas Hall, however, did not own slaves and didn't believe it had value. Georgia, for a good 60 years, actually refused endorsing slavery as an economical means.
I doubt there was any realistic chance to do *that* in 1776.
That possibility never existed. Don't take the musical 1776 as history. The South was united against the slavery passage and it was removed with no fuss.
As I understand it many who appalled slavery wrote the Declaration, or the Constitution with Emancipation in mind. Problem was unity and independence was the more important matter for the colonies at the time.
@@davidhenrylake2047 And yet, Sherman some 80 years later would burn it to the ground.
Men: women are too emotional for politics
Also men: SoBeIt!? 2:13
Edward Rutledge - Look at the flicka da wrist!
At the very end, Rutledge makes the gesture, "Talk to the hand!" LOL
am I the only one who notices that he misuses "whom" ?
Big John Dickenson was only there because he married the wealthiest old widow in the colonies. Hey if it works right 🤷🏼♂️
@inui1536 Here in Britain we have scenes like this every Wednesday when the PM takes questions from the House of Commons :)
Complete with fabulously dismissive hand-wave at the end?
There exist many, many documents from the entire founding period. Remember, in the 1770"s they didn't have TV, radio & the many other things we have today that cause many people to not read or write. In addition, the founders were educated intellectual professionals... all these things combined to cause their lives & culture to be one in which they wrote very much. In fact, in general, all of the colonists were quite well educated because they were nearly all Protestants. Since their beginning,
1:26 I love how he looks so happy the background with his quip that got everybody going
Ben Franklin: "Mr. Adams is right! Let us send an envoy to King Louis while our affairs wear a hopeful aspect"
Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "I nominate Ben Franklin to go to Paris"
Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "Second!"
The defining moment of this scene is the guy who walks out of the room, twinkling his fingers like a.... .
The colonies had just gone through a fear of French invasion from Canada in the Seven Years War that ended only in 1763. So that guy shouting "Mr. Adams would make us French subjects" was not far off the mark. The colonies were weak and France was strong, a mere 15 years earlier having posed a grave threat to the existence of the colonies as English-speaking, Protestant jurisdictions. Only the might of the British Empire kept the French in check by running them out of Canada. Thus the threat of French invasion and conquest was not to be taken lightly in 1775 and 1776 if it were only the weak colonies keeping French military and naval power in check...
I love that hand waving at the end. "Yeah yeah whatever, Toodleloo n*gga"
After reading 1776 and John Adams by David McCullough . John Adams is by far my favorite President and founding father of our country. We were a breath away from losing the war for Independence it is amazing that we won. We had ordinary men do extraordinary feats of courage and ingenuity.
These men here changed the course of history in the world at that time as no nation as the United States ever existed in history. An amazing time to be alive although not at that time only as the centuries have passed do we see the daring action they set us upon. I would not like to imagine had our Revolution had not gone the way it did. The world would be a different place.
And, now, in this most desperate of times do we once again need patriots of this caliber to fight back against the neo-nazis globalists and their leftist minions. Unfortunately, no such genes seem to remain among us.
Congress was way more exciting back in the day
If u can't win the war leave your own in key spots 2 move all the rest 2 your way and that's what went Down in this war.
After much reconsideration and internal soul searching, I have come to a single explanation for Mr. Rutledge's "wave".
GAY!
*I DIDN’T GET A HARUMPH OUT OF THAT GUY!*
I wish Congress was still like this.
1:16 Shouldn't he say WHO not WHOM? "Just who/whom do you think will join us". It should be who. They wanted to sound smarter
Here's a little history lesson the United States is not democracy it's not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and it's not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States don't be lazy go see the declaration of Independence in person and the same with the Constitution of the United States of America people are so damn lazy they would rather look it up on their smartphones or laptops but what I'm trying to say is if you see the original declaration of Independence in person you will experience something that you've never felt before but you would have to experience this for yourself then and only then you'll truly understand what I'm trying to say
Edward Ruteleseems to be portrayed as gay here; and also in stage productions of "1776". Doesn't he?
That South Carolina representative's little walk off hand wave was an outrageous act of churlish sass
Mr. Adams had balls bigger than South Carolina!
That hand wave is pretty much southern arrogance personified for me.
“ONLAY DA VICE OF DA PEEPOL CAN PRACLAIM INDAPANDANCE”
“no, No, NO! MR DICKINSON!”
Dickinson is the most annoying person in the room to me. Perfectly acted though!
Most of this ( Arguments) (Independence) had been done, at The City Tavern.......These guys were drunk or drinking most of this Time. .. Must be a Philadelphian to know this.........Most scholars an historians are quite amazed that anything had been done..........considering the City Tavern............lol...........true..............
Adam's and Franklin both knew the intricacies of great Britain and Adam's knew the only way to bring parliament to the table was by force which ended up being right.
If you ever get a chance to go visit Philadelphia and the first Congressional Hall do it the feeling that you get when you walk inside that building the wife and I had a chance to do it last summer and I felt about 2 inches tall. There's just something about that building and its presence knowing what took place in that building and the people that were there way before any of us
There were giants there in those days.
The US today: we should be more like the founding fathers the country was more united
The founding fathers:
Honestly I can understand them flabbergasted when they heard France will help in fighting for insurrection against their country of Great Britain. It’d be like today if Alaska was pissed at our country of America and asked thought about asking Russia for help for independence. Same thing.
Funny thing how none of these people talk about how they refuse to pay less tax than people living in England, yet they are happy to pay for their own army, AFTER Britain fought for their safety just few years ago. Whole thing came about because Britain needed to replenish funds spent to defend the colonies. Yeah, ask for taxation with representation, but do not forget to mention why those taxes were levied in the first place.
People founded the colonies because they were persecuted in England. The real war was in the West Indies, India and Europe. The colonies were secondary.
Those guys were drunk all the time. We have records of the amount alcohol they consumed. A lot.
Forget about the gelgameks?!
This is like the Roman Senate 2.0
Man that South Carolina guy at the end is SASSY
Interestingly, Rutledge was the youngest signer of the Declaration.
i find Rutledge kind of attractive... :)
softballfreako Same :P
I find his face (along side Dicky's) to be the most punchable in that room. And i'd like to piss in that puffball wig of his.
VOTE IN PERSON. DONT TRUST BY MAIL.
@SwiftyMchvey Interesting you should mention this man's name as your ancestor. He was a colorful character, alright. Shame he's not mentioned more.
Edward Rutledge, the real Edward, was rather young when all this was happening-he was only 26, so even younger than Jefferson (33) and much younger than Adams (41). Adams described him as a "dandy" and like a lot of rich Southern gents he was given to dressing up in silks and aping the fashions of Europe (he even went (CONT)
Franklin straight fired John Adams up! Lol They played nicely off each other.
Sooo...Ben Franklin and Cornwallis were twins? (figure it out)
1:19 lmfao FRANCE!? 🤣🤣
Dat hand wave is dandy as fuck.
The representative from South Carolina show the divide between the north and the south. It was this divide that had to be bridged. The north needed the south to fight the British. The south needed slavery to grow cotton. The founding fathers agreed to make slavery a state issue in exchange for the south agreeing on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Given the language in these documents that all men are created equal and the institution of slavery, the United States was on a collision course with itself.
Still it took 87 years to reach that collision.
“We will not vote for independence! Not now, not EVER!!!!!!”
A few months later.
“South Carolina votes yes”
When I first saw this I had such a crush on Edward Rutledge XD
And when I learned the actor playing him was gay...oh boy...
😏
Love that sassy wave at the end!
RUTLEDGE: TALK TO THE HAND!
Without input prejudice to this great nation and people this nation cannot be lead by a general. Generals know only how to make wars but not lead the economy of the nation that is out of the reach of their proficiency. You can win war by arms but you cannot win the economy by guns. Arms are made to keep the peace for the economy to thrive. There is no more real economy in the USA for all your output go to China with only less than one quarter of returns in goods for the balance. Do how long congressmen you think you are to stand in short terms. Economy collapse is always a step stone to wars. Wars for peace is a entrapment for the military complex to prosper on behalf of the citizens upon which you all. Have the noble call to serve. 35bmillions of Americans are on the streets homeless and you all still squabble of your independance. The real independance is when you are ready to uphold dear the good standards of living indépendent of all your citizens. Does this happen in America or not? All your industries doesn't pay a dime to the irs your treasure are loot by the bankers at the expense of the people and yourselves. Your wall streets serve the happy few by looting the savings of your allies foreigner and you all want to the foreign nations to trust your mob government again and again. Only fools don't dare to see the drama that is taken place.
I like how Edward Rutledge talks.
The fact that anything of this worked out at all is mindblowing
In summary: Half of the population of a loose alliance of colonies that in turn were also internally divided about some fundamental topics plan on rebelling against the most powerful empire in the world...by asking the people who they themselves kicked out 12 years earlier for help.
Congressman: WHO will join us in this folly!?
John Adam: France!
Everyone: Oh God, we really are fucked...
Because fabulousness transcends sexual identity.
Oh how they doubted.
Oh how they laughed.
Oh how they huffed and puffed.
Just tell that to John Adams, 2nd President of the United States...
Massachusetts was leading the talk of Independence I see. Why is South Carolina always such a pain in the ass? 😂
Pragmatism. South Carolina were one of the most loyalist states until the British attacked Charleston, then they did a complete 180.
Why is it never mentioned that one third of Washington's army were Irish. Washington himself said no country owed another more for its independence as America owed Ireland. The english reported back to their parliament that the irish language was more common to be heard that the english language among Washington's troops. And boy did Ireland pay for its loyalty to the USA because we were still under occupation by England.
I absolutely loves the different wigs. I wish they would come back into fashion 😂
and now we have The Squad.