For $26k, I thought this is another over priced low rider s…but I looked at the weight at 430lb…hey wait…this just might be worth the price. For sports bike enthusiasts with V-Twin fetish, it normally costs upper $30k to buy and build/customize one…and another $10k to lighten up the frame to bring the weight down to 400lb area…but this comes with it. This isn’t for typical cruiser rider - it will be more or less for Dyna clans wet dream job.
And hopefully it succeeds for the time being though I'm going to sit back and see what actually gets released and how reliable it is before making a choice to spend money on it
100%, I am willing to lose my $50 to wait and see. Dealer network scares me, I hear this engine is questionable, history of exploding and that it is not a true Rotax. Too many sketchy changes so I am out.
The motorcycle market needs a reset. We need to see more motorcycles 10K or less with a displacement around a 1,000cc. Less screens, less modes, less BS.
It’s mimicing auto industry.. where are the ford fusions and Chevy impalas? Gone with nothing on the horizon to say they will come back. OEMs want highest percentage profit which is found on the bigger more expensive models.. get the fucking stock market guys outta the design/engineering office and market your bikes better if they wanna stick around. Harley buybacks for how many years in a row???? They need a reset for sure!!
@@charlesrocks Something that big sounds like a pig to maneuver, especially at low speeds. But hey, you do you! Once the bike gets over 650 lbs it starts to lose something in the way it handles. That's just my opinion.
They've been doing $50 pre orders for the past 18 months. Msrp for is $23999 for pre-orders and the $1000 is towards that. 9-12-2024 is the first day for the down payment. I'm absolutely buying one.
I really hope you like it and I would really appreciate it if you reach out and let me know what your experience is once you receive it cuz I am honestly curious about the whole process
@BikesBeardsAndBrews from an interview at Sturgis, the owner(Bill Melvin), the V2 has some of the production ready parts, including the fuel tank that was hard tooled from their manufacturer. The reason they won't come with ohlins is because they want as many parts from the USA as possible but you'll be able to upgrade to them. Kaplan Motors already has an exhaust and tune for the 1190 engine. 190+ hp. It's almost impossible for the average person to get that on a Harley or indian without a turbo, and good luck getting them down to 430lbs. I'll go broke chasing that performance on a Harley lol if I remember, I can send screenshots of future emails.
Hand made, hand painted any color you want, 180 horses, light weight. If you have any concerns that's why God gave us a mouth. Ask questions before you pay. As far as the tech goes, that's the appeal of Buell. For those of us that don't need or want that bullshit. Yes Harley and Indian have bikes that are similar to this cruiser, and are spectacular examples of what a street bruiser should be. But Beull took that design and put it on steroids. It's a new company, it's going to have growing pains. How is it supposed to succeed if we don't support our boys and girls. Is it worth it? Shit yeah!
I'm all about supporting but not if it means having a 600lb paperweight in my garage. I'd love to have this bike but I really need to see some solid infrastructure on their part before I'm willing to dive in and I really do hope they get there
I see it as a passion project run by a small company that is trying to figure out some stuff along the way, while trying to bring American motorcycles at their core back! I actually made the 50 dolars deposit, but after a year, and seeing that the motorcycle would not finally make its way to Europe (at least in the short term) I asked them for a refund. They were quick in the refund process and very kind, and told me about their plans to make distribution global in the future. But it all felt like I was dealing with a small shop all the time. The customer support was very good and it all seemed very non-corporative. When you see their stands at rallies and stuff, you see the team is just dudes like you and me, trying to sell their own hand-made product. It's all very wholesome and I wish them the best honestly. But I see your viewpoints and understand where they're coming from. It's still a lot of money to invest, and they should polish those things you mentioned in the video.
I'll be curious to see what the actual final weight is. When they originally said that 400 lb Mark that was on version 1 of this bike. No one's getting version 1. They're getting version 3 so at this point in time it's just kind of a wait and see process. But like I said before, I really do hope this bike succeeds competition breeds innovation and that's what we need in the motorcycle world
I do hope they kill it with the bike, but I've seen comments on the second version and people are a bit pissed. The prototype one is so smooth thanks to RSD. The 2nd feel way more corporate minded on what makes sense money wise. Great dive into it man!
Yeah and that's my concern too. The way it was presented when Roland sands first unveiled it was that was the bike you were getting because he even stated they asked him to reuse parts that they already had laying around and he did that. So it really appeared like that was the finished product and now they keep stripping that down more and more so much so that the bike you get delivered will be a version 3 which hasn't even been unveiled yet
They do say on the pre order page how the bike comes equipped with the exception of suspension which won’t be Ohlins but will still be 👌🏼. As for the exhaust yes it’s terrible. Legally they can’t sell a non EPA complaint bike. Don’t we all change the exhaust right away anyway though?
Yeah there's other stuff that's being shaved off now too though and you are getting what they are calling version 3 which hasn't even been shown yet so we really don't know what's actually going to be produced and handed off to you once you take delivery. Recently I heard that they're getting rid of the radial rotor which is a staple for Buell motorcycle so that sucks
I feel like I've been hearing about this for a couple years now.. I kinda agree with you about this being DOA. No one is going to buy a bike that doesn't have dealer support
I thought the buell dude said when he was in deadwood that it wasn’t going to Ohlins but it was gonna still be a reputable company for suspension but he couldn’t say which company at that time
@BikesBeardsAndBrews They're 3 hours from me and have been great to deal with! They will send a truck and come pickup/ drop your bike off if necessary. Ken Jr. Has been awesome to me.
Honestly the price is fair as crazy as that sounds. By the time you put a custom swing arm and 2” over forks and cam and tune and exhaust on your low rider s its a wash
right? That's where I'm at. After working for HD and riding bikes with $30k in work but still can't outrun a base 600cc, and can't corner, I'm like "nope!"
Which may be true but where Indian and Harley shine is you still have dealer support and you have a vast aftermarket when it comes to Harley in a moderate aftermarket when it comes to Indian. You don't have dealer support and you don't have an aftermarket with this bike. So whatever you're getting that gets delivered to you, that's it
Agreed but when that bike breaks down, and it will, I can see absolute nightmares for the owner. Harley should pull their heads right out of their respective asses and just create a competitor. I had a low rider S, I did a stage 2 and other things to the tune of $12k so the $25k is totally reasonable for the Super cruiser but it is hard to quantify until it has a track record. I can say that if they stick with the stupid dash from 2014 they will lose sales.....too many places where they are cheaping out with old tech Buell parts etc. If they used modern stuff and were honest about the engine, ohlins, exhaust.....everything top notch I would happily pay $30k plus. I am guessing that when they started crunching the numbers of the parts and pieces on the original photo they saw a $35k Bike and knew nobody would pay that......or would they? Just as you said, doing a stage 2 to my Low Rider made it roughly 120hp, nothing really impressive and with that I was sitting at $30k invested for mediocre results. If I were them I would have marketed this bike as the ultimate build already built....I would have used the best of everything so that it was the best and then stuck to my guns on a hefty price. Anyone who has built or had a Harley built knows how much money it takes to achieve 175hp in a big twin.........Moonshine Harley sells their modded baggers as high as $150k and 180HP is usually where they land. This Buel could have been the king but looks like it will be meh.
i ordered one and will still take delivery for many different reasons. the hammerhead is a badass bike. if its that in a FXR style frame. it will be still be epic. and im done with harley
I agree 100%! They are building a bike that everyone has been asking for. A high powered hooligan cruiser at the weight of a naked bike. I put my $1,000 deposit down and can’t wait!
there was one I seen at Sturgis. the guy was great and had the bike in one of the shows at the Chip. I will say though sitting on the super cruiser that they had on display at Sturgis I did like the weight and feel of it sitting there, but until I get to test ride one I won't even be dropping any money on one at all unless I'm able to test ride one..I mean sitting on one versus getting out on one to at least test ride one as we all know there might be things with actually riding one that may cause anyone to not be comfortable or wanting it. That is my biggest thing about preordering one without even being able to get out on one for a test/demo ride first...on top of that pay for one completely without riding one no thanks...
Yeah, that's really the concern is buying this without any sort of test ride. Any sort of Hands-On? Any sort of long-term reviews out there? It is a bit concerning
This applies to people that want the bike so bad that they are willing to do the pre order thing. I would never do that, personally. I want to see the bike, kick the tires, and test ride it before paying one cent. Period.
Yeah, there's way too many variables going on to be willing to commit $1,000 to this bike so hopefully it comes out and blows everyone away. But until then, I'll reserve my final opinion
In their defense Capcom Street Fighter was awesome! Yeah, I've seen some shady stuff about what's actually gonna be rolling out to the customer... Good video Ben and a good take. I wish them success and hopefully the bike is worth its asking price.
I wouldn't mind as much if they did like car promotions did and had a little bit of fine print on the bottom. That said, this bike features a bunch of upgrades or something like that, but they're presenting it as the bike you're getting. That's what I'm not cool with
I don't even think it's really for the young hot dogs because now you're asking kids to drop $25,000 on a bike that they know nothing about from a brand that probably didn't exist when they were born
Good job on all your research. Like you said it's hard for me to buy something when i don't have a idea what exactly i'm getting. I guess it's like the people who have the money to get people like vegas customs and stuff like that to build them a car. They just have the money to throw at it.
Hello again, I have to say that our world is in such a dismal state right now. When I was a kid, I was told the ridiculous story that "people under communism pre-ordered their cars and only got them later" and "under communism the shelves were so empty, the did not have things" and look at the motorcycle / car world of today... Also, in my personal opinion, you're absolutely able to call a listed dealership and just tell them: "Hey, I'm a TH-camr / reporter doing a video on Buell and I'd like to ask about if you're a service station from them". Also, seeing the US map as a Swiss Person (4 hours by car all the way across) it doesn't look so bad, until I remembered that it's the US and it's 4 days by car all the way across. Oh well, good thing I don't want one
The CEO Bill main priority is making it closer and closer to look identical to the concept. It's insanely close with their most recent variant. My ONLY issue is no fucking cruise control. But it still beats building a performance FXR busting my knuckles for the same ending cost.
This won't be a huge seller, but it will stand as capable cruiser that checks most of the boxes for handling and performance. Buell has the Hammerhead and 1190SX over 6k cheaper with the same powerplant. Hard to believe with the hand laid carbon fiber body panels the Super Cruiser still costs far more.
I have a fully built m8. Spent all the money on suspension and drivetrain. Here’s the thing, it’s still slower than dog shit. Plenty of torque, fun bike but slow none the less. I have locked my super cruiser down payment in and look forward to a bike with some power
Fully built is a relative term, my M8 is 'fully built' and has plenty of power. That being said I can drop $2k on a clapped out 2007 honda cbr1000 that would blow the wheels off my bike and this one and not even leave 3rd gear
Buell has $120 Million in Pre Orders. That would be orders for 4,800 bikes. It seems I read the Original Buell sold 300,000 bikes. Honda has sold over 300 Million Honda Cubs now that is a Popular Motorcycle. HD sold 300,000 bikes per year. In 1979 General Motors sold 288,000 Camaros that's just one model of car.
Your math ain’t Mathennnn.. $120 million in presale at $50 a pre order would mean 2,400,000 million did pre order this bike. But expected more like what was the first concept bike. I am one of the first 100 people to pre order this bike and be high up in receiving but i do question now if it’ll be worth it. I was fully on board to sell my Harley and get this but thats starting to disappear and I’m near changing my mind about if i want to put down the $1000 to still get this bike or not. Im in California near LA
@@BOSFallen My Math is Perfect. I copied and pasted from the Buell Web site. Take $120 Million and divide it by $26,000.00 Buell is counting Gross sales based on a $50 Dollar Deposit per Motorycle. I divided $120 Million by $26,000 per bike. Did you have a Deposit on a Tesla Cyber Truck for 4 years too? After they have Delivered a few and I take a test ride .. Then I would consider buying one. Truth is I don't even want a Cruiser .. I like the Buell Adventure bike. With Bidenflation the price of everything keeps going up. You are always going to have to pay a Premium Price on a low Volume Boutique Company .. the Price of Parts for my 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 have almost doubled since 2019 when I hit my fast deer and late July when I hit my second deer with the Bike .
@@BOSFallen I have a 1984 Yamaha RZ-350 in good condition. I see Mecums just sold one for $21,000.00 Maybe I can trade my RZ-350 plus $5,000.00 cash for a new Buell ja ja
Too many red flags and they haven't even released the bike. I'm in North Central Mass, and there is no way I'm going to Springfield or Connecticut for service. I'll stick with brands that have a support system.
it's not a difficult bike to service. And any KTM experienced mechanic can. Although everything is on youtube in great detail, so diy isn't hard one bit. And for warranty stuff, they'll shipped bikes back to the facility for people near no centers.
I am looking forward to ripping down Kalakaua Ave on my 2025 Buell Super Soaker , hopefully in 2027 or something like dat. I wonder how many more deposits they are going to ask for along the way and how stripped down she gonna be.
The version 1 bike was awesome! I was going to put a deposit down but my gut told me to chill out and wait. I’m glad I did and I appreciate your channel for bringing this out. That second version is but ugly. I’m out.
Yeahhhhh I came real close to putting down the deposit myself but I held out and now I'm glad I did cuz the bike keeps changing. Let's see what the final product looks like and then we'll have a conversation
It's funny that right after pre-order deposits started, a few bums at small channels put out hit pieces on the Super Cruiser. Stay tuned folks. Harley loaner bikes and reviews incoming for these bums.
I love my buells and ebrs. I think they out priced themselves, amd shouldn't have involved rsd unless they Actually intended on selling an Rs d version of the super cruiser. kinda like how Indian collaborated with RSD and they are actually selling an RSD version. While they do have Jacob Stark on board, they dont have Erik involved, which is weird. The bikes they're selling look like they're just left over parts that they also picked up from auction.The adventure bike headlight, looks like a amazon special from a first year cad student
Yeah that's my other concern as well. It seems like they bought the leftover parts from the bankrupt EBR. I don't see a lot of innovation on these bikes
I mean it may still get my money. I'm waiting to see what the final product is and then some reviews and then maybe my own test ride before deciding. But I do have very deep concerns that need to be addressed before I drop that kind of cash
it's sorta hard to sell $17-23k superbikes, especially that those that spend that money aren't gunna wrench. The only people I know who bought them are track day guys, collectors and Buell shop owners. I want one but I can't justify spending that sorta money on an uncomfortable bike.
I'm kinda pissed. I was seriously considering this bike, I also own a 2024 Hammerhead (It's incredible). Buell changed or removed everything I loved about the Super Cruiser. $30k and no Ohlins? That awesome radiator gone? Ugly ass exhaust? WTF man!
for $30k you CAN get the suspension, just not on the early release $26k base models. SOL for the exhaust due to EPA, same goes with DOT for the fugly mirros haha. But that was all stated literally day one.
So these bikes a ducati money with out the ducati parts lol. That being said I'm curious how the super cruser does sense it's liquid cooled and that seems to be hampering harely cause the customers want air cooled. But at 25k or what ever I think they are going to have a hard time selling these. I'd like to be wrong but seems to have a very niche market built in.
The liquid called an air cooled at the end of the day. It really is a matter of preference and with these bikes how many times are you really doing over 100 mph? These are meant to be wheelie bikes so you want torque more than horsepower anyway
I put my name on the list a long time ago. Seems as though the bike has gone trough changes that are not cool imho. No mention of Ohlins, that stupid 2014 screen, I hear there are doubts of it being a true Rotax engine. Sorry but for $25k plus there are better options. In fact I bought a Gen 2 Vmax that offers more in every direction for half the price. Everything seems shady as you say, not a good way to debut a product or a company.....I am already out and never even came close.
Roland Sands has made some awesome 1-offs. Going into production is a whole different thing. At least these guys are trying. I doubt they will make a dime. As for cost, what's the equivalent 175 hp Harley Davidson sell for?
So that's the thing. If you go back and you watch the original debut, Roland saying states that Buell asked him to reuse as many parts as possible, which he did and the way it was being presented by all parties in that debut video was that was the bike you were going to get and now they've moved on to version 2 and soon they'll be moving to version 3. So if you put down that $1,000 deposit right now you're going to lose money. If you don't like version 3 and try and pull out that's my concern. There's a lot of shifting stories for this bike
@@BikesBeardsAndBrews All very reasonable concerns, especially as a consumer. I just like the idea of a performance Harley (maybe with a different engine). The XLCR and the EBR 1190 were interesting, but not particularly successful. It is extremely expensive and difficult to bring out a new motorcycle. I wish them luck with their endeavors. The RevMax is a step up, but isn't in many motorcycles, yet. Harley guys do like hp as reflected in the success of the Harley 135 ci Stage 4 upgrade. California is pure EV after 2035. I'm sure that is casting a large shadow over all Internal Combustion Engine development. The LiveWire may be the future of Harley Davidson.
Whenever someone says I’m not here to bash buell 🤣🤣🤣next line the bike sucks the owner sucks no parts no dealer but I love buell American companie 😂😂next like the products sucks but I suport buell your as confused and a 18 year hybrid male in this day and age
@@BikesBeardsAndBrewsThe entire video is literally bashing them because you can't turn a wrench or fabricate and want to buy a custom bike from a dealer and be able to have your hand held. Half the changes are so they can pass dot and EPA regulations
why? He got paid out, and his brand is continuing. He's just not legally allowed to speak about it. I love Erik but gosh dang was he bad at mass production, he needed to butt out of all financial decisions from the start.
The high price tag and the targeted demographic just doesn't line up. Dyna wheelie bros probably don't have the deepest of pockets hence riding $5k FB Marketplace bikes
@Prometheus1979 but, the Buell is literally made to take an absolute beating. It's sorta like building your own Baja truck or just buying a Dodge TRX. They both have their advantages
The big concern I have here is if people are tearing these things up from wheelies and smashed around. How hard is it going to be to get those replacement parts or find that shop that'll do the repairs for you
it's slower, heavier and worse handling (the V4 Diavel). But if you want tech and services done for you, Ducati all the way. I personally can't stand all the gosh darn plastic on them, and the forward controls feel weird.
@@backroadbeetle4781 Super Cruiser might handle better due to weight. On paper the Buell is faster, but today electronic aids make motorcycles fast. Something that the Super Cruiser lacks.
When it comes to speed though, how many times do you really think this bike is going over 100 mph? This thing's clearly meant to be a wheelie machine, which means you're going to be more concerned about torque than anything else
As someone who has some experience with the hammerhead I can say its trash. i would be willing to bet that service map is a lot less than it shows. I would bank on if you called them they would say yeah no we don't work on that crap.
I don't mind the looks of it. I actually really liked it when Roland sands debuted it and I have no doubts that I could get it back to the way he had it. But there is those concerns about support afterwards
You might not wanna say it's false advertising, but that's exactly what it is. They are advertising a different product than what they are selling you. Pretty black and white. Lol
I honestly don't think it's a bad looking bike. It's straight up throwback to an old school Harley and that's cool, but I just don't think it's going to live up to its expectations
I'm happy to put my deposit down if I change my mind I don't mind forfeiting the $200 to help get an American Motorcycle company off the ground but then again I'm the type of guy who join the Army the Army on the day Desert Storm started I love this country
They have to get through EPA so look at Harley, everyone replaces it. American made and almost 200 HP!! I say go Buell! I will put my money on them over Harley now!! Pretty rough review that is not fair for a far more American made company!!
@@BikesBeardsAndBrews I have never owned a Harley that didn't have it's issues. I just think we should throw support behind Buell, at least they are thinking out of the box and trying hard to build a bad ass street bike!!
The bike is suppose to be crazy powerful. For that price I thought It would have had some bags on it so It could hit the battle of the baggers. I think they attached some old caller Id machines to the handlebars.
I definitely wouldn't go that far they are making the Buell hammerhead they are selling them they are out there and this is their next bike there's just a lot of questions behind it still
The super cruiser is a heck of a performance cruiser. But in other videos, is repurposed parts from other Buell bikes and things like suspension and exhaust are NOT going to be the same on the models they have been showing/advertising. Now nothing is final yet for the production models but IMO is several thousand overpriced for what it actually is. IMO , will not be very successful.
*suppose I should have watched video all the way through before commenting. You hit all the points I mentioned. But another point I'd make, I'll take the low rider s over the buell anyways.
This is no different than the many iterations of Indian. Indian has some success due to in part of being owned by Polaris. It takes deep pockets to make this work. This thing is dead..
If I was looking for a sport bike I absolutely would buy an H2 but I'm not and that's really the difference between shopping for a cruiser or shopping for the fastest bike you can find
@BikesBeardsAndBrews It's very much a fair comparison between hyper nakeds from Europe and Japan and that Buell Super Cruiser. No fairings and no clip on handlebars.
That dash looks like my grandpa's fishfinder from 1996
#facts
For $26k, I thought this is another over priced low rider s…but I looked at the weight at 430lb…hey wait…this just might be worth the price. For sports bike enthusiasts with V-Twin fetish, it normally costs upper $30k to buy and build/customize one…and another $10k to lighten up the frame to bring the weight down to 400lb area…but this comes with it. This isn’t for typical cruiser rider - it will be more or less for Dyna clans wet dream job.
I....agree.
Dammit.
And hopefully it succeeds for the time being though I'm going to sit back and see what actually gets released and how reliable it is before making a choice to spend money on it
100%, I am willing to lose my $50 to wait and see. Dealer network scares me, I hear this engine is questionable, history of exploding and that it is not a true Rotax. Too many sketchy changes so I am out.
I think it is a great value, and I love that it is built around the FXR frame.
The motorcycle market needs a reset.
We need to see more motorcycles 10K or less with a displacement around a 1,000cc. Less screens, less modes, less BS.
It’s mimicing auto industry.. where are the ford fusions and Chevy impalas? Gone with nothing on the horizon to say they will come back. OEMs want highest percentage profit which is found on the bigger more expensive models.. get the fucking stock market guys outta the design/engineering office and market your bikes better if they wanna stick around. Harley buybacks for how many years in a row???? They need a reset for sure!!
Bro inflation and Euro emissions
There is no replacement for Displacement. 1,800cc or more.
yamaha bolt honda rebel for cruisers. sport bikes? well now a days they're all good... except the r7
@@charlesrocks Something that big sounds like a pig to maneuver, especially at low speeds. But hey, you do you! Once the bike gets over 650 lbs it starts to lose something in the way it handles. That's just my opinion.
They've been doing $50 pre orders for the past 18 months. Msrp for is $23999 for pre-orders and the $1000 is towards that. 9-12-2024 is the first day for the down payment. I'm absolutely buying one.
I really hope you like it and I would really appreciate it if you reach out and let me know what your experience is once you receive it cuz I am honestly curious about the whole process
@BikesBeardsAndBrews from an interview at Sturgis, the owner(Bill Melvin), the V2 has some of the production ready parts, including the fuel tank that was hard tooled from their manufacturer. The reason they won't come with ohlins is because they want as many parts from the USA as possible but you'll be able to upgrade to them. Kaplan Motors already has an exhaust and tune for the 1190 engine. 190+ hp. It's almost impossible for the average person to get that on a Harley or indian without a turbo, and good luck getting them down to 430lbs. I'll go broke chasing that performance on a Harley lol if I remember, I can send screenshots of future emails.
Hand made, hand painted any color you want, 180 horses, light weight. If you have any concerns that's why God gave us a mouth. Ask questions before you pay. As far as the tech goes, that's the appeal of Buell. For those of us that don't need or want that bullshit. Yes Harley and Indian have bikes that are similar to this cruiser, and are spectacular examples of what a street bruiser should be. But Beull took that design and put it on steroids. It's a new company, it's going to have growing pains. How is it supposed to succeed if we don't support our boys and girls. Is it worth it? Shit yeah!
I'm all about supporting but not if it means having a 600lb paperweight in my garage. I'd love to have this bike but I really need to see some solid infrastructure on their part before I'm willing to dive in and I really do hope they get there
Right, lets quit f'n complaining and support the USA manufactures! Hopefully they'll be open to suggestions!
I see it as a passion project run by a small company that is trying to figure out some stuff along the way, while trying to bring American motorcycles at their core back! I actually made the 50 dolars deposit, but after a year, and seeing that the motorcycle would not finally make its way to Europe (at least in the short term) I asked them for a refund. They were quick in the refund process and very kind, and told me about their plans to make distribution global in the future. But it all felt like I was dealing with a small shop all the time. The customer support was very good and it all seemed very non-corporative. When you see their stands at rallies and stuff, you see the team is just dudes like you and me, trying to sell their own hand-made product. It's all very wholesome and I wish them the best honestly. But I see your viewpoints and understand where they're coming from. It's still a lot of money to invest, and they should polish those things you mentioned in the video.
I do hope they succeed but I do feel like there are a fair amount of shortcomings here. You are correct though. It is a small company currently
For this price it’s kind of a win. I wish my lowrider st didn’t weight 200 pounds more than this thing 😂
I'll be curious to see what the actual final weight is. When they originally said that 400 lb Mark that was on version 1 of this bike. No one's getting version 1. They're getting version 3 so at this point in time it's just kind of a wait and see process. But like I said before, I really do hope this bike succeeds competition breeds innovation and that's what we need in the motorcycle world
I do hope they kill it with the bike, but I've seen comments on the second version and people are a bit pissed. The prototype one is so smooth thanks to RSD. The 2nd feel way more corporate minded on what makes sense money wise. Great dive into it man!
Yeah and that's my concern too. The way it was presented when Roland sands first unveiled it was that was the bike you were getting because he even stated they asked him to reuse parts that they already had laying around and he did that. So it really appeared like that was the finished product and now they keep stripping that down more and more so much so that the bike you get delivered will be a version 3 which hasn't even been unveiled yet
They do say on the pre order page how the bike comes equipped with the exception of suspension which won’t be Ohlins but will still be 👌🏼. As for the exhaust yes it’s terrible. Legally they can’t sell a non EPA complaint bike. Don’t we all change the exhaust right away anyway though?
Yeah there's other stuff that's being shaved off now too though and you are getting what they are calling version 3 which hasn't even been shown yet so we really don't know what's actually going to be produced and handed off to you once you take delivery. Recently I heard that they're getting rid of the radial rotor which is a staple for Buell motorcycle so that sucks
They are using Fox suspension
I feel like I've been hearing about this for a couple years now.. I kinda agree with you about this being DOA. No one is going to buy a bike that doesn't have dealer support
Yeah they've definitely been hyping it for a few years now but the physical model has only been around for about a year or so
I thought the buell dude said when he was in deadwood that it wasn’t going to Ohlins but it was gonna still be a reputable company for suspension but he couldn’t say which company at that time
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there's a rumor it'll be Fox Racing stock. They're not terribly expensive
Honestly, if you can figure out what the hammerheads use, it's probably going to be the exact same suspension there
It's not a rumor, it's true. They're going with Fox shocks, it was in the email and also been posted on their social media now.
@KaplanCycles Problem solved. Give Jr a call!
What? Thats one place in 1 state of America. Thats not problem solved at all lol
Soooooooooo Kaplan Cycles is an authorized Buell repair shop within 30min of everyone in the US and Canada?
@drasticthompson Yeppers!! @KaplanCycles is the way to go!!! Ken Sr. & Ken Jr. will hook you up for the sale!! "No Fluff" straight-up transaction.
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They're 3 hours from me and have been great to deal with! They will send a truck and come pickup/ drop your bike off if necessary. Ken Jr. Has been awesome to me.
Honestly the price is fair as crazy as that sounds. By the time you put a custom swing arm and 2” over forks and cam and tune and exhaust on your low rider s its a wash
right? That's where I'm at. After working for HD and riding bikes with $30k in work but still can't outrun a base 600cc, and can't corner, I'm like "nope!"
Which may be true but where Indian and Harley shine is you still have dealer support and you have a vast aftermarket when it comes to Harley in a moderate aftermarket when it comes to Indian. You don't have dealer support and you don't have an aftermarket with this bike. So whatever you're getting that gets delivered to you, that's it
Agreed but when that bike breaks down, and it will, I can see absolute nightmares for the owner. Harley should pull their heads right out of their respective asses and just create a competitor. I had a low rider S, I did a stage 2 and other things to the tune of $12k so the $25k is totally reasonable for the Super cruiser but it is hard to quantify until it has a track record. I can say that if they stick with the stupid dash from 2014 they will lose sales.....too many places where they are cheaping out with old tech Buell parts etc. If they used modern stuff and were honest about the engine, ohlins, exhaust.....everything top notch I would happily pay $30k plus. I am guessing that when they started crunching the numbers of the parts and pieces on the original photo they saw a $35k Bike and knew nobody would pay that......or would they? Just as you said, doing a stage 2 to my Low Rider made it roughly 120hp, nothing really impressive and with that I was sitting at $30k invested for mediocre results. If I were them I would have marketed this bike as the ultimate build already built....I would have used the best of everything so that it was the best and then stuck to my guns on a hefty price. Anyone who has built or had a Harley built knows how much money it takes to achieve 175hp in a big twin.........Moonshine Harley sells their modded baggers as high as $150k and 180HP is usually where they land. This Buel could have been the king but looks like it will be meh.
i ordered one and will still take delivery for many different reasons. the hammerhead is a badass bike. if its that in a FXR style frame. it will be still be epic. and im done with harley
That's cool man. I would honestly love for you to reach out after you get it and let me know what your experience is like. I'm genuinely curious
I agree 100%! They are building a bike that everyone has been asking for. A high powered hooligan cruiser at the weight of a naked bike. I put my $1,000 deposit down and can’t wait!
NOICE!!!! 175-180hp @ 430lbs should get the job done!!! ✅
Eric Buell designed the FXR, he had nothing to do with the Dyna. The Dyna is no FXR! Not even close.
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there was one I seen at Sturgis. the guy was great and had the bike in one of the shows at the Chip. I will say though sitting on the super cruiser that they had on display at Sturgis I did like the weight and feel of it sitting there, but until I get to test ride one I won't even be dropping any money on one at all unless I'm able to test ride one..I mean sitting on one versus getting out on one to at least test ride one as we all know there might be things with actually riding one that may cause anyone to not be comfortable or wanting it. That is my biggest thing about preordering one without even being able to get out on one for a test/demo ride first...on top of that pay for one completely without riding one no thanks...
Yeah, that's really the concern is buying this without any sort of test ride. Any sort of Hands-On? Any sort of long-term reviews out there? It is a bit concerning
This applies to people that want the bike so bad that they are willing to do the pre order thing. I would never do that, personally. I want to see the bike, kick the tires, and test ride it before paying one cent. Period.
Yeah, there's way too many variables going on to be willing to commit $1,000 to this bike so hopefully it comes out and blows everyone away. But until then, I'll reserve my final opinion
Got to meet this guy today it was such an honor safe riding brother
Good meeting you too! Shiny side up my dude!
In their defense Capcom Street Fighter was awesome! Yeah, I've seen some shady stuff about what's actually gonna be rolling out to the customer... Good video Ben and a good take. I wish them success and hopefully the bike is worth its asking price.
I wouldn't mind as much if they did like car promotions did and had a little bit of fine print on the bottom. That said, this bike features a bunch of upgrades or something like that, but they're presenting it as the bike you're getting. That's what I'm not cool with
The turn signals on all the new Buell motorcycles look to be the same incandescent bulb turn signals that came on my $1300 Hawk 250.
Yeahhhhh they are directionals they use on their other bikes so check the hammerhead to know for certain
Harley Davidson has up their game. The super bike is for young hot dogs.
I don't even think it's really for the young hot dogs because now you're asking kids to drop $25,000 on a bike that they know nothing about from a brand that probably didn't exist when they were born
@@BikesBeardsAndBrews lots of "young people" own sport bikes,they aren't exactly cheap.
Good job on all your research. Like you said it's hard for me to buy something when i don't have a idea what exactly i'm getting. I guess it's like the people who have the money to get people like vegas customs and stuff like that to build them a car. They just have the money to throw at it.
not sure what your getting and not sure if there is any support for it once you get it. Hopefully all that changes, i would like to see them succeed!
Hello again, I have to say that our world is in such a dismal state right now. When I was a kid, I was told the ridiculous story that "people under communism pre-ordered their cars and only got them later" and "under communism the shelves were so empty, the did not have things" and look at the motorcycle / car world of today...
Also, in my personal opinion, you're absolutely able to call a listed dealership and just tell them: "Hey, I'm a TH-camr / reporter doing a video on Buell and I'd like to ask about if you're a service station from them".
Also, seeing the US map as a Swiss Person (4 hours by car all the way across) it doesn't look so bad, until I remembered that it's the US and it's 4 days by car all the way across.
Oh well, good thing I don't want one
Fair enough!
The CEO Bill main priority is making it closer and closer to look identical to the concept. It's insanely close with their most recent variant. My ONLY issue is no fucking cruise control. But it still beats building a performance FXR busting my knuckles for the same ending cost.
We shall see what it looks like when version 3 gets released and then the final one gets delivered. Fingers crossed they do some amazing stuff
Best intro ever!!! I don't understand why a new Ullises haven't been released yet
Procrastination obviously 😂
This won't be a huge seller, but it will stand as capable cruiser that checks most of the boxes for handling and performance. Buell has the Hammerhead and 1190SX over 6k cheaper with the same powerplant. Hard to believe with the hand laid carbon fiber body panels the Super Cruiser still costs far more.
Honestly I do hope it succeeds but we shall see!
I have a fully built m8. Spent all the money on suspension and drivetrain. Here’s the thing, it’s still slower than dog shit. Plenty of torque, fun bike but slow none the less. I have locked my super cruiser down payment in and look forward to a bike with some power
Fully built is a relative term, my M8 is 'fully built' and has plenty of power. That being said I can drop $2k on a clapped out 2007 honda cbr1000 that would blow the wheels off my bike and this one and not even leave 3rd gear
Buell has $120 Million in Pre Orders. That would be orders for 4,800 bikes. It seems I read the Original Buell sold 300,000 bikes. Honda has sold over 300 Million Honda Cubs now that is a Popular Motorcycle.
HD sold 300,000 bikes per year. In 1979 General Motors sold 288,000 Camaros that's just one model of car.
Your math ain’t Mathennnn.. $120 million in presale at $50 a pre order would mean 2,400,000 million did pre order this bike. But expected more like what was the first concept bike. I am one of the first 100 people to pre order this bike and be high up in receiving but i do question now if it’ll be worth it. I was fully on board to sell my Harley and get this but thats starting to disappear and I’m near changing my mind about if i want to put down the $1000 to still get this bike or not. Im in California near LA
@@BOSFallen My Math is Perfect. I copied and pasted from the Buell Web site. Take $120 Million and divide it by $26,000.00 Buell is counting Gross sales based on a $50 Dollar Deposit per Motorycle. I divided $120 Million by $26,000 per bike.
Did you have a Deposit on a Tesla Cyber Truck for 4 years too? After they have Delivered a few and I take a test ride .. Then I would consider buying one. Truth is I don't even want a Cruiser .. I like the Buell Adventure bike. With Bidenflation the price of everything keeps going up. You are always going to have to pay a Premium Price on a low Volume Boutique Company .. the Price of Parts for my 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 have almost doubled since 2019 when I hit my fast deer and late July when I hit my second deer with the Bike .
@@BOSFallen I have a 1984 Yamaha RZ-350 in good condition. I see Mecums just sold one for $21,000.00 Maybe I can trade my RZ-350 plus $5,000.00 cash for a new Buell ja ja
By your calculations, that pretty much means there's going to be Buell super cruisers absolutely everywhere by 2026. Let's see if you're right
Too many red flags and they haven't even released the bike. I'm in North Central Mass, and there is no way I'm going to Springfield or Connecticut for service. I'll stick with brands that have a support system.
Yup, this machine is for the bold. And you better be confident wrenching on your own machines. If you aint the type, stay away from this beast!
it's not a difficult bike to service. And any KTM experienced mechanic can. Although everything is on youtube in great detail, so diy isn't hard one bit. And for warranty stuff, they'll shipped bikes back to the facility for people near no centers.
Oh man, think of how I feel. I'm up on the North shore
Harley needs to build something like that
I mean technically they did as this bike is literally based off a Harley.
I am looking forward to ripping down Kalakaua Ave on my 2025 Buell Super Soaker , hopefully in 2027 or something like dat. I wonder how many more deposits they are going to ask for along the way and how stripped down she gonna be.
We shall see!
For V3, the rotors are also NOT going to be those
Lots of scaling back from what I see so far
The version 1 bike was awesome! I was going to put a deposit down but my gut told me to chill out and wait. I’m glad I did and I appreciate your channel for bringing this out. That second version is but ugly. I’m out.
Yeahhhhh I came real close to putting down the deposit myself but I held out and now I'm glad I did cuz the bike keeps changing. Let's see what the final product looks like and then we'll have a conversation
I wanted to get one but very hesitant until I see them in the wild... too many changes, esp to the exhaust and seat.
And version 3 still hasn't been released 😂
It's funny that right after pre-order deposits started, a few bums at small channels put out hit pieces on the Super Cruiser.
Stay tuned folks. Harley loaner bikes and reviews incoming for these bums.
Facts are definitely hit pieces. Good thing you're here to sound the alarm!
I love my buells and ebrs. I think they out priced themselves, amd shouldn't have involved rsd unless they Actually intended on selling an Rs d version of the super cruiser. kinda like how Indian collaborated with RSD and they are actually selling an RSD version. While they do have Jacob Stark on board, they dont have Erik involved, which is weird. The bikes they're selling look like they're just left over parts that they also picked up from auction.The adventure bike headlight, looks like a amazon special from a first year cad student
Yeah that's my other concern as well. It seems like they bought the leftover parts from the bankrupt EBR. I don't see a lot of innovation on these bikes
It’s an amazing concept but I agree with you. They will not get my money.
I mean it may still get my money. I'm waiting to see what the final product is and then some reviews and then maybe my own test ride before deciding. But I do have very deep concerns that need to be addressed before I drop that kind of cash
Well it’s all of the secondary reasons in addition. The expected lack of support from shops, aftermarket, etc. When you put that into the mix I’m out.
how many bikes does buel sell a year? 50?
it's sorta hard to sell $17-23k superbikes, especially that those that spend that money aren't gunna wrench. The only people I know who bought them are track day guys, collectors and Buell shop owners. I want one but I can't justify spending that sorta money on an uncomfortable bike.
Honestly, I have yet to see them release numbers so I couldn't tell you
It looks like a Is modern FXR. it needs a side faring
That's pretty much what they were going for
I'm kinda pissed. I was seriously considering this bike, I also own a 2024 Hammerhead (It's incredible). Buell changed or removed everything I loved about the Super Cruiser. $30k and no Ohlins? That awesome radiator gone? Ugly ass exhaust? WTF man!
for $30k you CAN get the suspension, just not on the early release $26k base models. SOL for the exhaust due to EPA, same goes with DOT for the fugly mirros haha. But that was all stated literally day one.
At the end of the day, we'll see what they release and see if it's what the market wants
If this is the case, it’s called bait and switch😎
Not really as they do keep saying there is a gen 3 coming with changes. It just sucks that you're gambling $200 for it
So these bikes a ducati money with out the ducati parts lol. That being said I'm curious how the super cruser does sense it's liquid cooled and that seems to be hampering harely cause the customers want air cooled. But at 25k or what ever I think they are going to have a hard time selling these. I'd like to be wrong but seems to have a very niche market built in.
The liquid called an air cooled at the end of the day. It really is a matter of preference and with these bikes how many times are you really doing over 100 mph? These are meant to be wheelie bikes so you want torque more than horsepower anyway
Thank you!!!! I’ve been saying it looks like a garmen from 1995 ever since I seen that ugly thing!
Totally street fighter lol
I put my name on the list a long time ago. Seems as though the bike has gone trough changes that are not cool imho. No mention of Ohlins, that stupid 2014 screen, I hear there are doubts of it being a true Rotax engine. Sorry but for $25k plus there are better options. In fact I bought a Gen 2 Vmax that offers more in every direction for half the price. Everything seems shady as you say, not a good way to debut a product or a company.....I am already out and never even came close.
The VMAX is absolutely sick!!
Roland Sands has made some awesome 1-offs. Going into production is a whole different thing. At least these guys are trying. I doubt they will make a dime. As for cost, what's the equivalent 175 hp Harley Davidson sell for?
So that's the thing. If you go back and you watch the original debut, Roland saying states that Buell asked him to reuse as many parts as possible, which he did and the way it was being presented by all parties in that debut video was that was the bike you were going to get and now they've moved on to version 2 and soon they'll be moving to version 3. So if you put down that $1,000 deposit right now you're going to lose money. If you don't like version 3 and try and pull out that's my concern. There's a lot of shifting stories for this bike
@@BikesBeardsAndBrews All very reasonable concerns, especially as a consumer. I just like the idea of a performance Harley (maybe with a different engine). The XLCR and the EBR 1190 were interesting, but not particularly successful. It is extremely expensive and difficult to bring out a new motorcycle. I wish them luck with their endeavors. The RevMax is a step up, but isn't in many motorcycles, yet. Harley guys do like hp as reflected in the success of the Harley 135 ci Stage 4 upgrade. California is pure EV after 2035. I'm sure that is casting a large shadow over all Internal Combustion Engine development. The LiveWire may be the future of Harley Davidson.
Whenever someone says I’m not here to bash buell 🤣🤣🤣next line the bike sucks the owner sucks no parts no dealer but I love buell American companie 😂😂next like the products sucks but I suport buell your as confused and a 18 year hybrid male in this day and age
No where did I say the bike or company sucked but if you listen like you spell and form sentences I can see why you're confused.
@@BikesBeardsAndBrewsThe entire video is literally bashing them because you can't turn a wrench or fabricate and want to buy a custom bike from a dealer and be able to have your hand held. Half the changes are so they can pass dot and EPA regulations
If I was Eric Buell I would try to figure out how to sue the pants off of those investment bankers
why? He got paid out, and his brand is continuing. He's just not legally allowed to speak about it. I love Erik but gosh dang was he bad at mass production, he needed to butt out of all financial decisions from the start.
Last I checked, Eric is on a whole new motorcycle venture and completely content with what he's doing. I don't think he cares either way on this one
I agree with you.
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The high price tag and the targeted demographic just doesn't line up. Dyna wheelie bros probably don't have the deepest of pockets hence riding $5k FB Marketplace bikes
Not really that, these wheelie bikes get used and abused and tore up. It makes more sense to ride a older used bike then to tear up a new one.
@Prometheus1979 but, the Buell is literally made to take an absolute beating. It's sorta like building your own Baja truck or just buying a Dodge TRX. They both have their advantages
I see your point, I hope they succeed, it’s just not for me.
The big concern I have here is if people are tearing these things up from wheelies and smashed around. How hard is it going to be to get those replacement parts or find that shop that'll do the repairs for you
While I think the Buell SC is awesome, I rather a Ducati Diavel for about the same price. There are fair amount Ducati dealers in my area.
it's slower, heavier and worse handling (the V4 Diavel). But if you want tech and services done for you, Ducati all the way. I personally can't stand all the gosh darn plastic on them, and the forward controls feel weird.
@@backroadbeetle4781 Super Cruiser might handle better due to weight. On paper the Buell is faster, but today electronic aids make motorcycles fast. Something that the Super Cruiser lacks.
When it comes to speed though, how many times do you really think this bike is going over 100 mph? This thing's clearly meant to be a wheelie machine, which means you're going to be more concerned about torque than anything else
Sound Legit can borrow 1k . And is that only shirt you have
Don't be hatin on this hella sweet hoodie!
As someone who has some experience with the hammerhead I can say its trash. i would be willing to bet that service map is a lot less than it shows. I would bank on if you called them they would say yeah no we don't work on that crap.
That sucks to hear. I would really like to see these guys succeed but it's totally up to them at this point
This bike is not for me. Mostly I just don’t like the looks of it. Pricing is too high for this. I hope they succeed.
I don't mind the looks of it. I actually really liked it when Roland sands debuted it and I have no doubts that I could get it back to the way he had it. But there is those concerns about support afterwards
You might not wanna say it's false advertising, but that's exactly what it is. They are advertising a different product than what they are selling you. Pretty black and white. Lol
They're definitely right online and sometimes yes it does feel like they're crossing over that
The RSD version will be 45k....
That's a no for me dawg 😂
It will definitely win the award for the ugliest bike in its class. Plus, $26k is about $8k too high.
I honestly don't think it's a bad looking bike. It's straight up throwback to an old school Harley and that's cool, but I just don't think it's going to live up to its expectations
Buy a nice used gen 2 vmax more power!
I love the VMAX. Such a beast of a bike
I've already put my deposit down
I'd love to know how you like it and what your buying experience is. When you go through it definitely let me know. I am curious
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Oops, not a good look. Looks like a 2005 Dyna with the Temu parts kit added.
Lol I mean I wouldn't go that far
I'm happy to put my deposit down if I change my mind I don't mind forfeiting the $200 to help get an American Motorcycle company off the ground but then again I'm the type of guy who join the Army the Army on the day Desert Storm started I love this country
I hope the bike is absolutely awesome and I would love to get your feedback once you do get it
26k for a stunt bike to be thrown around and trashed.
Pretty much and then there's the concern of being able to get replacement parts for it or find a shop that'll work on it
Going to end up being a 2000 dyna with worse aftermarket/ dealer support than Indian for $30k😂
That's my concern and I really hope it doesn't come true
They have to get through EPA so look at Harley, everyone replaces it. American made and almost 200 HP!! I say go Buell! I will put my money on them over Harley now!! Pretty rough review that is not fair for a far more American made company!!
the exhaust was the smallest issue brought up in this video
@@BikesBeardsAndBrews I have never owned a Harley that didn't have it's issues. I just think we should throw support behind Buell, at least they are thinking out of the box and trying hard to build a bad ass street bike!!
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The bike is suppose to be crazy powerful. For that price I thought It would have had some bags on it so It could hit the battle of the baggers. I think they attached some old caller Id machines to the handlebars.
Funny enough they are coming out with the super tourer which is pretty much the same engine and frame on this bike but with bags
Honestly, I think it's overhyped. Doesn't look appealing to me.
I'll reserve final judgment and until I see one in person and possibly take it for a ride
Not a harley. Wild under 40k thay could touch this bike
Yes?
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I definitely wouldn't go that far they are making the Buell hammerhead they are selling them they are out there and this is their next bike there's just a lot of questions behind it still
BBB!
That's me! 😂😂
Nah, that screen deadass can play Doom. 😂
Only on god mode though cuz really who plays Doom not on god mode?!?
niche market too expensive
That is definitely part of the concern
The super cruiser is a heck of a performance cruiser. But in other videos, is repurposed parts from other Buell bikes and things like suspension and exhaust are NOT going to be the same on the models they have been showing/advertising. Now nothing is final yet for the production models but IMO is several thousand overpriced for what it actually is. IMO , will not be very successful.
*suppose I should have watched video all the way through before commenting. You hit all the points I mentioned. But another point I'd make, I'll take the low rider s over the buell anyways.
No worries, I do it all the time. Glad you hung out for the whole video though
Omg! I didn’t know half of the facts… but you are right, looks like a bad deal… 😢
I wouldn't say bad right out the gate but definitely concerning
I ordered a Super Cruiser and got a Suzuki Savage….
Lol I mean that might be possible
This is no different than the many iterations of Indian. Indian has some success due to in part of being owned by Polaris. It takes deep pockets to make this work. This thing is dead..
Honestly, hopefully it's not dead. Like I said competition is bred by innovation so the better these guys do the more the bar gets raised
Or, you could buy a Kawasaki ZH2, Yamaha MT10, or any hyper naked for less money and have more performance.
If I was looking for a sport bike I absolutely would buy an H2 but I'm not and that's really the difference between shopping for a cruiser or shopping for the fastest bike you can find
@BikesBeardsAndBrews It's very much a fair comparison between hyper nakeds from Europe and Japan and that Buell Super Cruiser. No fairings and no clip on handlebars.