personally, that's why i feel the smashing pumpkins and depeche mode had the best runs of stuff in the 90's with flood. both violator/sofad and adore/machina. depeche mode have certainly been able to bounce back, but everything billy corgan has done since has been pure shite.
Sly Boots Your comment, as a personal opinion, wouldn't have been possible to be made public like here at the time when there was no Internet. This is partly the answer to the question why rock music was better in those times and why it is rubbish now. People used to rely on critics opinion, MM, NME, Sounds, radio DJs etc. Now anyone can post "best band ever" and in no time hundreds or thousands of people will believe it to be true, which may be the case or not, but where is the professional selection process? JD wouldn't have been so great had their first attempts been met with "wow the best band ever" comments. The likes of Queen and Pink Floyd used to be humiliated in the rock press and frequently rightly so.
@@djstarsign The only thing is Martin died way too young. The other guys are still alive and have padded their legacies with production work and/or their own albums. And Joe Boyd could always be relied upon to show up whenever there's been a documentary about Syd era Pink Floyd, The Fairport Convention, or Nick Drake.
@@GregoryPaulDavis hey greg, preorders literally started today. 40 quid from new order/joy divisions site oh yeah i should mention: the 40 quid package includes 12 inch singles for love will tear us apart, transmission and atmosphere
I met Peter Hook in West Palm Beach last year at Respectable Street with his own band. They performed their own songs along with songs from Joy Division and New Order. It was a privilege to see Mr. Hook and his band.
True. Joy Division were just another punk rockers with clever lyrics and it was Martin Hannett who found so much hidden aspects in their music that even the band itself wasn’t aware of - and made them sound out of time, made them legendary.
Hannett did for Unknown Pleasures what Eno did for Remain in Light (Talking Heads) later that year. The last track of that album, The Overload, is a tribute to this album; the lyric "A terrible signal" being a reference to the logo.
There were enough bands with that raw punk in your face energy back then, Martin took Joy Divisions sound to a whole new level. He took all of that powerful energy and turned it inwards on Ians personal lyrics. A deeper, darker and more honest Joy Division sound was the result ...... albeit short lived as Joy Division soon imploded. Martin Hannett's production without question was key to Joy Divisions staying power.
I'm getting the feeling that Joy Division is finally getting the recognition that they deserve. They don't feel like this cool secret of mine anymore. Cheers from Chicago.
For UP's 40th anniversary I wish they would've remixed and released the "punk mix" of it, the sound the band originally wanted their album to sound like. Just for fun!
@@doeismgtr9597 we've got very good technology for that now, reverbs based on recorded impulse responses of real spaces included. its entirely possible.
Thanks for discussing, folks. I've only heard a few tracks from "Unknown Pleasures," but what I've heard is extraordinary. And, yes, from what I remember of the late 1970s, it sounds like nothing else in rock/pop music in 1979. It sounds revolutionary. I look forward to listening to more of it. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
I like how Hooky still calls Bernard "Barney". I think there's still love for each other but bad shit happened and I can't see a way back. Sort it out, lads...life's too short. You'll regret not sorting shit out.
Excellent video. The band weren't ready to make that album, but Martin Hannett recognised the raw material was there. So he molded it to suit his vision. And now the band realises it. Wonderful.
Would love to know what Ian Curtis thought of the album. New Dawn Fades is stunning musically and would be ruined by a punk production I feel. Shadowplay is just an amazing song. Perhaps he loved it, perhaps he was disappointed too. I got into JD after I heard Blue Monday and found out more about New Order. All I can say is the JD post punk sound is still amazing today.
You know Steve's just put his book out? In it he says Ian hated what MH did with Closer, I think he also hated UP but can't remember for sure......sad isn't it, to hear he hated Closer. Fuckin hell.......
@@clangersspace2679 He didn't give it time to bed in poor Ian. Closer is a masterpiece. Better than UP because it's more mature. CLASSIC. And I remember seeing the cover, the typography, the whole thing was marvellous.
This answers a question that I've had for years, how the hell those barely 20 somethings achieved the world weary old soul tinged sound of Joy Division. The answer , despite themselves!
The two-disc edition of Unknown Pleasures that has a concert on the second disc is great, as it demonstrates exactly what they are talking about. They had raw, aggressive sound live. It's great to hear both.
Ian had the lyrics and the charismatic front man persona. Martin had the production like no one else. Steve had that drumming that you didn't get at the time. The 3 of them were what made those albums. Hooky to an extent as well added that bass sound no one else had done before.
Don't leave Barney out of the equation. His guitar and synth skills were essential and for a long time he was the only multi-instrumentalist in the band and had a lot to deal with. Hooky and Steve just had to worry about the rhythm but Barney was into a whole other world of textures and sounds. I don't think Love Will Tear Us Apart would be as iconic and memorable as it is today if not for Barney's contributions.
That would entail re-recording.. Proper acoustic environment and some miking experiments to capture the rawness that they wanted. Maybe if Albini was already an engineer 40+ years ago they could’ve gotten what they wanted.
If I had an album that I wrote in my late teens/early 20s and people are still talking about it and listening to it and buying it, I'd probably be the same way tbh.
What makes UP one of the greatest album ever is that as soon as you've finished listening to it you think 'there must be more, I'm not satisfied'. So you play it again...and again.....and again with the same result, never tiring of it, that is its secret. Closer and the early NO material was similar in that regard. After Joy Division most other music ceased to matter.
For those curious about those five songs Stephen mentioned that didn't make it to the album, almost all of them made it in Still: Exercise One, The Only Mistake, Walked In Line, and The Kill. (Listen to the latter two especially and you can hear how close they sound to the UP songs.) Though the Still version of Ice Age was recorded later, the fact it was an early song (it's on the Warsaw album) makes me think it might have made the cut.
Watched New Order last night in bristol and they did some Joy Division songs and i thought they made them sound much more like the hannett mixes than any of the live recordings from the old days
I saw Peter Hook in the same place last year and he only played Joy Division songs. It was great. Maybe similar because the sound was brilliant and clear and sounded like JD as I know them, but I'd have to hear New Order's versions to know.
@@rmilrta i was also at that gig believe it or not. I thought peter hook and the light were fat better than both the jesus and mary chain and echo and the bunnymen
The death of Ian Curtis is one of those you wish you could go back in time and save him. But everything happens for a reason right? Our lives are mapped out in a certain way that no one understands. Ians life continues in these iconic Joy Division albums, thats what he wanted I think.
I think a collaboration of the band's live energy and sound and Martin Hannett's experimentations could have made it even better, especially if they did the delay effects and stuff live while recording the songs. I agree with a lot of what they say in this clip, and I think it could have been an even greater classic album if a bit more of the live edge was still there.
Plenty of bands at the time sounded like the Sex Pistols. Martin saw something much deeper in Joy Division's music and worked hard to bring it out. He was a sonic architect, definitely on the same level as Eno even though he wasn't quite as prolific. I'm glad Hooky and Barney eventually came around to appreciating the album and the unique sound.
I agree the mix I find amazing in joy division, the sparseness makes it for me. I hate music that is just a mash of noise. Listening to the live paradiso amsterdam on you tube is great, guitar on full right, drum right centre, vocals left centre and bass full left. It sounds like early stereo where the separation was super wide. It means that you can pick out every note by ear.
I love 'Unknown Pleasures' as it is but I've often wondered what it would have sounded like had Steve Lillywhite produced it (considering that Hannett was supposed to have produced U2's debut also). How different things may have turned out if the producers had been switched.
The earlier incarnation of JD - The Warsaw Ep 'An Ideal for Living' is probably the best representation of joy Division's rawer punk sound. There are plenty of live recordings of songs from Unknown Pleasures but unfortunately most of it is bootleg quality. There's also The Peel Sessions (which were basically recorded live) but I've always found these to sound more stripped down rather leaning towards a rawer punk quality.
Yeah, but by ‘79 their live sound has evolved so much nobody really captured (on very high quality equipment) that raw power they were talking about, that reckless abandon but more mature.. Same thing could be said of live VU in ‘68 when Cale was still around, only bootlegs..
It is strange to see Peter Hook and the rest, being part of this documentary while they are pissed off with each other (specially Bernard-Peter, I guess). Of course, all of them deserve to be here, so bravo for them.
I must agree with the last line said here! But would’ve been as angry as the musicians involved at the time i imagine... Sort of says a lot about many situations in history... Anyway - this was a Great album. Great voice... something perfect about it all
Not popular in the UK. That’s bull! Listen to the encore of ‘Digital’ on Still and the encores on the live tracks on the remastered ‘Closer’. The crowd are cheering for several minutes, “Joy Division! Joy Division!” There were riots at the final gigs when Ian couldn’t perform. “I could live a little better with the myths and the lies...”
Every song on that album freaks me out. I can't explain it, it just fills me with this weird feeling of dread. Don't get me wrong, I love it. But it's not an album I listen to on a "good" day.
It is true that Hannett managed to suck out a lot of the power and tightness that the band had when they play live. This is why fans seeks out live bootlegs (and also the BBC recordings for the John Peel show).
Anyone here hoping Hooky and Barney may chat, just to say 'hello, we are 2 parts of 2 of the most important important musical groups of all time...fancy hooking up (sic) and jamming?'
@ regardless I'm pretty sure New Order is sure to come to a close soon. Bernard sounds like crap and from what I've seen and their shows are more about the damn lighting than the performance. I've seen hookys band twice and was very satisfied with the way they performed other than the new order set being not too bad. They've done what they could for us. With ian, without and separated
There were recent interviews with Hooky where he sounded like he wanted to be invited back into New Order. Seeing them as a bunch of old geezers in these videos I don't get what the problem is.
The sound does sound "Mature" for the age they had when they made it. Powerful. Emotional.
Shes lost control again
Unique singing, unique frontman, unique instrumental styles, unique producer, unique artwork. Thank you forever Joy Division !
Hannett made their music timeless and unearthly, that's why it will always sound fresh, new and vibrant.
Secret to a classic album: Hire a great producer and then leave him alone.
personally, that's why i feel the smashing pumpkins and depeche mode had the best runs of stuff in the 90's with flood. both violator/sofad and adore/machina. depeche mode have certainly been able to bounce back, but everything billy corgan has done since has been pure shite.
@@hexagonsun33 agreed. Making music is an art, but producing a CD is a separate art too.
How do you figure out who's a great producer? Even Tony Visconti refused to produce Space Oddity.
Beatles same way/same thing
Steve albini: surfer Rosa, in utero.
Joy Division and New Order are the two best bands ever. Grew up listening to this and still listen to it 40 years later. 💖
Agreed
Sly Boots True
Sly Boots
Your comment, as a personal opinion, wouldn't have been possible to be made public like here at the time when there was no Internet. This is partly the answer to the question why rock music was better in those times and why it is rubbish now. People used to rely on critics opinion, MM, NME, Sounds, radio DJs etc. Now anyone can post "best band ever" and in no time hundreds or thousands of people will believe it to be true, which may be the case or not, but where is the professional selection process? JD wouldn't have been so great had their first attempts been met with "wow the best band ever" comments. The likes of Queen and Pink Floyd used to be humiliated in the rock press and frequently rightly so.
Martin Hannet should be recognized like Brian Eno, Tony Visconti, Joe Boyd and John Cale when it comes to producers.
Nah, Fam; Eno was on another level.
@@rogeliochavez40 agreed for Eno, but that's because he's in the run for/the best of all time.
He is tho.
@@djstarsign The only thing is Martin died way too young. The other guys are still alive and have padded their legacies with production work and/or their own albums. And Joe Boyd could always be relied upon to show up whenever there's been a documentary about Syd era Pink Floyd, The Fairport Convention, or Nick Drake.
I hope this continues to cover Closer.
And I look forward to a 40th anniversary vinyl reissue of coloured vinyl of Closer
@@GregoryPaulDavis hey greg, preorders literally started today. 40 quid from new order/joy divisions site
oh yeah i should mention: the 40 quid package includes 12 inch singles for love will tear us apart, transmission and atmosphere
I met Peter Hook in West Palm Beach last year at Respectable Street with his own band. They performed their own songs along with songs from Joy Division and New Order. It was a privilege to see Mr. Hook and his band.
“One of the greatest albums of the 20th Century”.... and beyond
thank you hentaianimeart very cool
Martin Hannett truly was the fifth member of Joy Division.
Amen!
Such an underrated producer. His production work for the band, Blue in Heaven, should've been bigger
True. Joy Division were just another punk rockers with clever lyrics and it was Martin Hannett who found so much hidden aspects in their music that even the band itself wasn’t aware of - and made them sound out of time, made them legendary.
Hannett did for Unknown Pleasures what Eno did for Remain in Light (Talking Heads) later that year. The last track of that album, The Overload, is a tribute to this album; the lyric "A terrible signal" being a reference to the logo.
Underrated by whom? He's highly rated, lauded even. Pretty much a legend. I often think people don't know what underrated means.
There were enough bands with that raw punk in your face energy back then, Martin took Joy Divisions sound to a whole new level. He took all of that powerful energy and turned it inwards on Ians personal lyrics. A deeper, darker and more honest Joy Division sound was the result ...... albeit short lived as Joy Division soon imploded. Martin Hannett's production without question was key to Joy Divisions staying power.
I'm getting the feeling that Joy Division is finally getting the recognition that they deserve. They don't feel like this cool secret of mine anymore. Cheers from Chicago.
R.I.P. Ian Curtis.
Their honesty is astonishing - refreshing to hear in 2019.
For UP's 40th anniversary I wish they would've remixed and released the "punk mix" of it, the sound the band originally wanted their album to sound like. Just for fun!
Just search here for the live gig from Amsterdam. That will give all the power and magnificence of JD live!
Wouldn’t be possible as everything was recorded as dead as possible, the live albums are beautiful though
or get the warsaw album.
@@doeismgtr9597 we've got very good technology for that now, reverbs based on recorded impulse responses of real spaces included. its entirely possible.
I was thinking the same thing. I believe Gang of Four went back in the studio and recorded a fresh version of their debut album.
Thanks for discussing, folks. I've only heard a few tracks from "Unknown Pleasures," but what I've heard is extraordinary. And, yes, from what I remember of the late 1970s, it sounds like nothing else in rock/pop music in 1979. It sounds revolutionary. I look forward to listening to more of it. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
I like how Hooky still calls Bernard "Barney". I think there's still love for each other but bad shit happened and I can't see a way back. Sort it out, lads...life's too short. You'll regret not sorting shit out.
Sumner's a twat, and Hooky is better off without that drama.
@@Caffeine_Club honestly I think hooky was being the prick
They’ve known each other since age 11, so that’s probably the only name he’s ever used for him.
Bernard hates being called Barney.
Excellent video. The band weren't ready to make that album, but Martin Hannett recognised the raw material was there. So he molded it to suit his vision. And now the band realises it. Wonderful.
Exactly, Alicia.
MORE OF THIS PLS
really inspiring hearing them reflect abou those days
When the band inspired gets better than their own inspirations. Majestic.
1:30 "He gave us the gift of long-gevity". That's the first time I've ever heard "longevity" pronounced like that.
Read Hooky's books and you'll find he has his own dialect.
Fucking English don't know how to speak English.
I'd love to see their first reactions to the 'reimagined' videos :D
Joy Division is awesome!
Would love to know what Ian Curtis thought of the album. New Dawn Fades is stunning musically and would be ruined by a punk production I feel. Shadowplay is just an amazing song. Perhaps he loved it, perhaps he was disappointed too. I got into JD after I heard Blue Monday and found out more about New Order. All I can say is the JD post punk sound is still amazing today.
You know Steve's just put his book out? In it he says Ian hated what MH did with Closer, I think he also hated UP but can't remember for sure......sad isn't it, to hear he hated Closer. Fuckin hell.......
@@clangersspace2679 He didn't give it time to bed in poor Ian. Closer is a masterpiece. Better than UP because it's more mature. CLASSIC. And I remember seeing the cover, the typography, the whole thing was marvellous.
a record that still thrills me, just as much as it did at my first listen.
This is exactly why I still listen to 'Still' more than any other album.
This answers a question that I've had for years, how the hell those barely 20 somethings achieved the world weary old soul tinged sound of Joy Division. The answer , despite themselves!
Grew up listening to all these early bands.loved it then and now.cheers from Yosemite!
The two-disc edition of Unknown Pleasures that has a concert on the second disc is great, as it demonstrates exactly what they are talking about. They had raw, aggressive sound live. It's great to hear both.
Ian had the lyrics and the charismatic front man persona. Martin had the production like no one else. Steve had that drumming that you didn't get at the time. The 3 of them were what made those albums. Hooky to an extent as well added that bass sound no one else had done before.
Don't leave Barney out of the equation. His guitar and synth skills were essential and for a long time he was the only multi-instrumentalist in the band and had a lot to deal with. Hooky and Steve just had to worry about the rhythm but Barney was into a whole other world of textures and sounds. I don't think Love Will Tear Us Apart would be as iconic and memorable as it is today if not for Barney's contributions.
You can’t deny this record.....👌
......and to think Joy Division and New Order are not in the Rock Hall of Fame.......ludicrous......
New Order were inducted into the Rock N Roll hall of fame years ago.
@@globalparadise6979 the British version
@ How can you say that with certainty he was 23 when he died.
Joy Division made all of TWO albums. You're going off what you think they would've produced in the future.
@@TheFreezerGeezer good point who knows what they would have done after the american tour they could have torn themselves apart because of the tour
Que banda magnífica .. wonderful
I'd love to hear Bernard or Hooky do a remix of Unknown Pleasures the way they wanted it to be
That would entail re-recording.. Proper acoustic environment and some miking experiments to capture the rawness that they wanted. Maybe if Albini was already an engineer 40+ years ago they could’ve gotten what they wanted.
i think the pleasure is known...cause it pleases my ears!
Love how Peter Hook is boastful and humble at the same time.
If I had an album that I wrote in my late teens/early 20s and people are still talking about it and listening to it and buying it, I'd probably be the same way tbh.
Wonderful, more
Joy division made history.
Wow. Joy Division. The greatest band ever.
Joy Division still rules!!!
Forever
Mister Morris still looking good!
What makes UP one of the greatest album ever is that as soon as you've finished listening to it you think 'there must be more, I'm not satisfied'. So you play it again...and again.....and again with the same result, never tiring of it, that is its secret. Closer and the early NO material was similar in that regard. After Joy Division most other music ceased to matter.
Unknown Pleasures and how this has changed over time.
Like a good wine, Unknown Pleasures gets better and better with age.
For those curious about those five songs Stephen mentioned that didn't make it to the album, almost all of them made it in Still: Exercise One, The Only Mistake, Walked In Line, and The Kill. (Listen to the latter two especially and you can hear how close they sound to the UP songs.) Though the Still version of Ice Age was recorded later, the fact it was an early song (it's on the Warsaw album) makes me think it might have made the cut.
Incredible band, incredible producer, incredible album. Martin Hannett truly deserves his place among the greats.
I love Peter Hook's honesty.
Who the hell disliked this?? But omg London was amazing, thank you for that, the closest thing I will ever get to seeing them!!
A pleasure listen you guys...
If JD had their way recording UP then it would have sounded like the Peel Sessions - a completely different sound but both equally great.
More raw
los amo!!!!
Watched New Order last night in bristol and they did some Joy Division songs and i thought they made them sound much more like the hannett mixes than any of the live recordings from the old days
I saw Peter Hook in the same place last year and he only played Joy Division songs. It was great. Maybe similar because the sound was brilliant and clear and sounded like JD as I know them, but I'd have to hear New Order's versions to know.
@@rmilrta i was also at that gig believe it or not. I thought peter hook and the light were fat better than both the jesus and mary chain and echo and the bunnymen
I'm reading Stephen Morris' book at he moment....great!!
Thank you 🙏
Simply put... UP saved my life
The Boys!
Would've loved to hear Ian
Contemplativo, melancólico.
Great album 🖤
The death of Ian Curtis is one of those you wish you could go back in time and save him. But everything happens for a reason right? Our lives are mapped out in a certain way that no one understands. Ians life continues in these iconic Joy Division albums, thats what he wanted I think.
Very good
Best music ever
Cool
Eles tem muitas coisas pra contar e nós teremos no futuro..... ?
it`s a very thin sounding album, but Ian`s lyrics are all the weight those songs need. Elegantly judged by Martin.
Barney couldn’t make it but many thanks to Clive Dunn for filling in.
I think a collaboration of the band's live energy and sound and Martin Hannett's experimentations could have made it even better, especially if they did the delay effects and stuff live while recording the songs. I agree with a lot of what they say in this clip, and I think it could have been an even greater classic album if a bit more of the live edge was still there.
Yet more proof that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Plenty of bands at the time sounded like the Sex Pistols. Martin saw something much deeper in Joy Division's music and worked hard to bring it out. He was a sonic architect, definitely on the same level as Eno even though he wasn't quite as prolific. I'm glad Hooky and Barney eventually came around to appreciating the album and the unique sound.
I agree the mix I find amazing in joy division, the sparseness makes it for me. I hate music that is just a mash of noise. Listening to the live paradiso amsterdam on you tube is great, guitar on full right, drum right centre, vocals left centre and bass full left. It sounds like early stereo where the separation was super wide. It means that you can pick out every note by ear.
I love 'Unknown Pleasures' as it is but I've often wondered what it would have sounded like had Steve Lillywhite produced it (considering that Hannett was supposed to have produced U2's debut also). How different things may have turned out if the producers had been switched.
The earlier incarnation of JD - The Warsaw Ep 'An Ideal for Living' is probably the best representation of joy Division's rawer punk sound. There are plenty of live recordings of songs from Unknown Pleasures but unfortunately most of it is bootleg quality. There's also The Peel Sessions (which were basically recorded live) but I've always found these to sound more stripped down rather leaning towards a rawer punk quality.
Yeah, but by ‘79 their live sound has evolved so much nobody really captured (on very high quality equipment) that raw power they were talking about, that reckless abandon but more mature.. Same thing could be said of live VU in ‘68 when Cale was still around, only bootlegs..
Please mention the unpublished tracks like "Autosuggestion" (imho one of the extremest songs).
OMG HI BABES
Got a well sounding re-issue on vinyl, must have record.
You just reminded me I have Closer on Vinyl and haven't had a chance to hear it yet. should do that now
Man, Stephen Morris looks younger than me, and I am 44.
No love lost, I take a bow..."
Steve morris seems to be turning into Stan Laurel and bernard sumner into Les dennis.
It is strange to see Peter Hook and the rest, being part of this documentary while they are pissed off with each other (specially Bernard-Peter, I guess). Of course, all of them deserve to be here, so bravo for them.
But how would ian react?
If they had sounded like their heroes I would not have messed with them back in 1980
I must agree with the last line said here! But would’ve been as angry as the musicians involved at the time i imagine... Sort of says a lot about many situations in history... Anyway - this was a Great album. Great voice... something perfect about it all
Was joy division and new order pretty popular in the U.S. in the 80s? Coming from a 20yr old who wished they lived in this beautiful time. :,(
Nah. They weren’t actually that big in the UK in their short lifespan . The appreciation came after the fact.
Not popular in the UK. That’s bull! Listen to the encore of ‘Digital’ on Still and the encores on the live tracks on the remastered ‘Closer’. The crowd are cheering for several minutes, “Joy Division! Joy Division!” There were riots at the final gigs when Ian couldn’t perform. “I could live a little better with the myths and the lies...”
Every song on that album freaks me out. I can't explain it, it just fills me with this weird feeling of dread. Don't get me wrong, I love it. But it's not an album I listen to on a "good" day.
Same. It really sounds like a black vacuum
@@Daniel_Delayne That is the best description!!! Perfectly sums it up!!!
New order doesnt and cannot exist without hooky.
Bit like JD minus Ian
Like Depeche Mode can’t exist without Alan Wilder.
It is true that Hannett managed to suck out a lot of the power and tightness that the band had when they play live. This is why fans seeks out live bootlegs (and also the BBC recordings for the John Peel show).
Anyone here hoping Hooky and Barney may chat, just to say 'hello, we are 2 parts of 2 of the most important important musical groups of all time...fancy hooking up (sic) and jamming?'
@ regardless I'm pretty sure New Order is sure to come to a close soon. Bernard sounds like crap and from what I've seen and their shows are more about the damn lighting than the performance. I've seen hookys band twice and was very satisfied with the way they performed other than the new order set being not too bad. They've done what they could for us. With ian, without and separated
So... did they have to learn how to play the producer's songs? What was his name again?
If NEW ORDER had not existed, scares me just thinking about it.
Greatest debut of all time captures the mood of the uk at the time unless you was a Tory
Hooky back in the fold?
Furba assistenza
Espanish subtitules pleaseee
Guess Hook was right about splitting off
guys russia love you
You wear it well Hooky! Now play like a fuckin musician!!
Did they have to interview them separately because they hate ecother still lmao, also basically they wanted every song to sound like interzone?
AFAIK hooky hates bernard and morris seems to just go along with bernard.
There were recent interviews with Hooky where he sounded like he wanted to be invited back into New Order. Seeing them as a bunch of old geezers in these videos I don't get what the problem is.
I'm not a fan of the Hannett mix of Love will tear up apart but everything else was great.
Yeah the snares overwhelm the sound of that one, and I don't like how Ian sang that in comparison to the Peel/Pennine versions
why did I think that was Morrissey 😭