This is why I think Joy Division is a really interesting band because they didn’t believe in franchising their albums or their music. All they cared about was making music.
I discovered the albums of Joy Division/New Order in the early 90s in used record stores in the Bible Belt of the USA. It was absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to find ANY information about these two bands. Their photos on the Low Life album are literally the ONLY images I saw of the bands for years. They were so utterly mysterious to me and it added SO much to the experience.
I'll be buried in my Joy Division garb. I remember hearing "Love will tear us apart", in 1980, I was 7. From then on, if you're a true fan, you'll never, ever get tired or burned out from listening to them. For me, my love for Joy Division only grows deeper🖤🎵🖤
My friend wore a joy division shirt not even knowing it was a joy division shirt and asked what i thought the lines meant and I said 'that's the cover of a joy division album' and he said, 'what's that' and I was astonished that he even bought the shirt because there are no joy division shirts.
There are loads of Joy Division t-shirts. I had one in about '83. They might not have sold them while Joy Division was around, but sure as hell did soon after. Joy Division were a truly great band but some (Hook in this video for sure) over do things. I doubt they are in the top 100 of most bootlegged acts.
@@jennyjohn704 I can tell you they didn't sell t-shirts while Joy Division was around and for a while during New Order. This was because their manager Rob Gretten was adamant that they don't do t-shirts. They did do pin badges but not t-shirts. They only officially started doing it in the late 90s or so.
I have recently taken up shooting and theres a young lady there who wears a Unknown pleasures Tee shirt , we chat about them a lot , she will get all my JD vinyl one day
The Artwork is great as a whole, aesthetically, conceptually, on every level...a band surrounded by the right people. The typeface they user for Closer is iconic...the fact that they didnt use te name on the front cover is a nice touch, there was something to discover, something great For Substance they used that boxy typeface that was really original, but they used that classic uppercase, too, and that washy grey instead of deep black, a really nice touch by P. Saville, simple, thought-provoking, less is more to the power of 3.
In the 80s fans in Krautland made shirts and stickers by themselves. The mainstreamers didn't knew anything about J.D., the WDR boycotted J.D. because it were "sick, depressive, suicidal music"! Nowadays the same journalists claim to have always appreciated their records as masterpieces!
You know what I love wearing? My JD Unknown Pleasures t-shirt, with the image from the record sleeve's insert. A lot of kids at the club are like "what is that from?" HAHA.
The non-promotion thing was a Factory gimmick and never actually true. Giving some their posters catalogue numbers doesn't stop them being promotion. Factory always had a very elitist vibe and the 'we don't do promotion' mantra was very central to that elitism. Of course, in practice this meant that most of their acts didn't get paid.
Il fatto stesso che il gruppo ha cambiato il nome da Joy Division in New Order è (anche se non lo ammettono,anzi sei pazzo a dire questo) un "offesa" ed un "dimenticare una volta per tutte" Ian Curtis !!! Come a dire "aveva stancato", !!! Da parte mia sono più che convinto che non vedevano l'ora che Ian la facesse finita....bassista specialmente !!! Ho questo sesto senso, è fino ad oggi non mi sono mai sbagliato....
Here's a quote allegedly from Stephen Morris in the comments section of a Guardian article on it. Stephen Morris on the Mickey Mouse Unknown Pleasures T-shirt. "I was quite angry when I first saw it. No one asked us. They’re trading off the band and our album cover, but get away with it by apparently saying the design was ‘inspired’ by us. I don’t like the design at all. It’s horrible. I can’t imagine any Joy Division fans wearing it. Or anyone for that matter."
Dudley Morris I think I remember reading somewhere how either hooky or Stephen said “I hope they understand when we start making Donald Duck shirts” or something like that
Band T-Shirts are ****. Rob was right. I can't stand the many hordes of Unknown Pleasures T-Shirts because a) The Fade b) They look cheap and most importantly c) The image is never scaled down, so it lacks the beauty of Saville's original design. Ditto 'Closer'.
Darren Hoggett. Yeah I get some people just wear because it looks cool. I remember someone from my school had a Rolling Stones shirt and I said to her “ do you listen to The Rolling Stones?” And she said no I just wear it.
zephyra. Yeah many kids today listen to pop and rap. But there’s a small percentage of kids who listen to rock.And I’m one of them. But there’s a really small percentage of kids who listen to Joy Division. Which is sad.
Am 37. Heard Blue Monday and liked it it was made by a band called New Order. Heard True Faith and it was the same band. I discovered Joy Division from New Order. Didn't know they were the same band. I like both. I like New Order because if their electronic music. Joy Division with Ian I feel could have been big. Ian was probably one of a kind and would have been bigger than Bono and U2 and be one of the top 3 or 4 bands of all time. New Order God bless was successful but in a different way.
Hold on. As much as I love the band (etc) and a great story, Bernard Sumner, you're telling me that in 1979 when you were skint, you could afford to buy a video recorder....which hadn't been released for very long....and watch 2001 A Space Oddity many many years before its release? I think you've started to believe your own stories too much my friend and fact is just a small part of the fictional element of your musical journey.
Nobody had been to the moon when '2001 Space Odyssey' was released in 1968. The official VCR was not release until 1980, but it had been broadcast on tv since '77. Video recorders had been available, new or for rent, from 1972, and by '79 second-hand VCR's and bootleg movies were easy to get hold of.
That Stephen, so eloquent he literally talked in bass.
2:05 they censored Stephen with a Transmission bassline lol
Hi I'm ETHAN
Nice catch there Ethan, keep it up :P
They did, dint they?
Not quite a line. Two notes, but I know what you mean.
Awesome.
I agree with Peter Hook that an iconic image is better than using their faces.
This is why I think Joy Division is a really interesting band because they didn’t believe in franchising their albums or their music. All they cared about was making music.
Joy Divsion are an interesting band because their music is timeless and just fucking great really.
Tony Coleby. Yeah there will never be another Joy Division.
I discovered the albums of Joy Division/New Order in the early 90s in used record stores in the Bible Belt of the USA. It was absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to find ANY information about these two bands. Their photos on the Low Life album are literally the ONLY images I saw of the bands for years. They were so utterly mysterious to me and it added SO much to the experience.
@@alexysagredano675 totally agree!!!
I'll be buried in my Joy Division garb. I remember hearing "Love will tear us apart", in 1980, I was 7. From then on, if you're a true fan, you'll never, ever get tired or burned out from listening to them. For me, my love for Joy Division only grows deeper🖤🎵🖤
never thought i'd hear Stephen Morris say the word meme
My friend wore a joy division shirt not even knowing it was a joy division shirt and asked what i thought the lines meant and I said 'that's the cover of a joy division album' and he said, 'what's that' and I was astonished that he even bought the shirt because there are no joy division shirts.
There are loads of Joy Division t-shirts. I had one in about '83. They might not have sold them while Joy Division was around, but sure as hell did soon after. Joy Division were a truly great band but some (Hook in this video for sure) over do things. I doubt they are in the top 100 of most bootlegged acts.
@@jennyjohn704 I can tell you they didn't sell t-shirts while Joy Division was around and for a while during New Order. This was because their manager Rob Gretten was adamant that they don't do t-shirts. They did do pin badges but not t-shirts. They only officially started doing it in the late 90s or so.
Every time I wear that shirt, I get people telling me how much they like Joy Division.
I stopped wearing that shirt some 20 years ago but every time I see a pupil at school wearing it I tell them I used to have the same shirt
"we didn't believe in promotion, everything about Joy Division was about let the music speak for itself"
Bernard watching videos in 1979!! Man we had not even heard of videos back then.
one of the greatest albums ever
madly agree.. one helluva an album!
I love this documentary, Peter just talks about how he wanted to be punk the whole way through 🤣
It's great hearing Stephen say "meme"
Diffrent Colors Diffrent Shades
Diffrent Folks Diffrent Strokes
Over each mistakes were made
@@corvidox i took the blame
I have recently taken up shooting and theres a young lady there who wears a Unknown pleasures Tee shirt , we chat about them a lot , she will get all my JD vinyl one day
I want more than ever to meet up with Barney and geek out over 2001
Great artwork 🖤
The Artwork is great as a whole, aesthetically, conceptually, on every level...a band surrounded by the right people. The typeface they user for Closer is iconic...the fact that they didnt use te name on the front cover is a nice touch, there was something to discover, something great For Substance they used that boxy typeface that was really original, but they used that classic uppercase, too, and that washy grey instead of deep black, a really nice touch by P. Saville, simple, thought-provoking, less is more to the power of 3.
Thank you 🙏
I have the T….And it opens great conversation
Wait...there's a band of this T-shirt?
Matt Ford *every person who is ever worn a nirvana t-shirt*
This series is class!
Who understand what Stephen said? He's tottaly crazy ahahaha, transmission bassline!
I was working yesterday and a guy came in wearing a shirt with ian on it unlike other people just with the UP cover shirt.
I hope that Hookie being in these videos means that he and the rest of the band have made up.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
In the 80s fans in Krautland made shirts and stickers by themselves. The mainstreamers didn't knew anything about J.D., the WDR boycotted J.D. because it were "sick, depressive, suicidal music"! Nowadays the same journalists claim to have always appreciated their records as masterpieces!
Okay.
I bought my t-shirt today
better late than never.
Where did you get yours from😂
Joy division sensacional
Precisam traduzir isso cara
Big Joy adoro
I like how one band member was influenced by 2001 and another one has a jacket with "HAL orator" written on it.
You know what I love wearing? My JD Unknown Pleasures t-shirt, with the image from the record sleeve's insert. A lot of kids at the club are like "what is that from?" HAHA.
Vinil obrigatório pra quem curte Rock
I've got an unknown pleasures tshirt
...😳
i have one bootleg cd live in amsterdam
Exelente 👊
They did make Joy Division badges and brought them to gigs to sell/handout. That’s not much different than a shirt in terms of promotion.
The non-promotion thing was a Factory gimmick and never actually true. Giving some their posters catalogue numbers doesn't stop them being promotion. Factory always had a very elitist vibe and the 'we don't do promotion' mantra was very central to that elitism. Of course, in practice this meant that most of their acts didn't get paid.
I saw a knockoff t-shirt featuring the muppets at Marshalls. I should’ve bought it.
Me pregunto se habrán imaginado que iban a hacer historia? que Ian tenía fecha de vencimiento?
Para nada, eran jovenes y uno no se imagina tal cosa..
nice
Il fatto stesso che il gruppo ha cambiato il nome da Joy Division in New Order è (anche se non lo ammettono,anzi sei pazzo a dire questo) un "offesa" ed un "dimenticare una volta per tutte" Ian Curtis !!! Come a dire "aveva stancato", !!! Da parte mia sono più che convinto che non vedevano l'ora che Ian la facesse finita....bassista specialmente !!! Ho questo sesto senso, è fino ad oggi non mi sono mai sbagliato....
My tattoo
Cool!
shame they don't get on now
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Will there be subtitles in Russian?
Augustine Lacroix learn English m8
@@f.f5771 niet
God Peter is the best!
Should've asked them what they thought of the quickly-withdrawn Mickey Mouse "Unknown Pleasures" shirt.
Here's a quote allegedly from Stephen Morris in the comments section of a Guardian article on it.
Stephen Morris on the Mickey Mouse Unknown Pleasures T-shirt.
"I was quite angry when I first saw it. No one asked us. They’re trading off the band and our album cover, but get away with it by apparently saying the design was ‘inspired’ by us. I don’t like the design at all. It’s horrible. I can’t imagine any Joy Division fans wearing it. Or anyone for that matter."
Dudley Morris I think I remember reading somewhere how either hooky or Stephen said “I hope they understand when we start making Donald Duck shirts” or something like that
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So sick of seeing punters in JD's "Unknown Pleasures" t-shirts.
Why?
Join the WGT at Leipzig! Probably you'll be half sick half amazed.
two iconic sleeves-closer -bands like that doesen't exists anymore-today the music is 98 % shit
Band T-Shirts are ****. Rob was right. I can't stand the many hordes of Unknown Pleasures T-Shirts because a) The Fade b) They look cheap and most importantly c) The image is never scaled down, so it lacks the beauty of Saville's original design. Ditto 'Closer'.
Darren Hoggett. I agree with you. Some people wear it just because of fashion even though they don’t know who Joy Division are
Meh. If it gets people into this great band then I'm not mad
Darren Hoggett. Yeah I get some people just wear because it looks cool. I remember someone from my school had a Rolling Stones shirt and I said to her “ do you listen to The Rolling Stones?” And she said no I just wear it.
zephyra. Yeah many kids today listen to pop and rap. But there’s a small percentage of kids who listen to rock.And I’m one of them. But there’s a really small percentage of kids who listen to Joy Division. Which is sad.
Am 37. Heard Blue Monday and liked it it was made by a band called New Order. Heard True Faith and it was the same band. I discovered Joy Division from New Order. Didn't know they were the same band. I like both. I like New Order because if their electronic music. Joy Division with Ian I feel could have been big. Ian was probably one of a kind and would have been bigger than Bono and U2 and be one of the top 3 or 4 bands of all time. New Order God bless was successful but in a different way.
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Hold on. As much as I love the band (etc) and a great story, Bernard Sumner, you're telling me that in 1979 when you were skint, you could afford to buy a video recorder....which hadn't been released for very long....and watch 2001 A Space Oddity many many years before its release? I think you've started to believe your own stories too much my friend and fact is just a small part of the fictional element of your musical journey.
Nobody had been to the moon when '2001 Space Odyssey' was released in 1968. The official VCR was not release until 1980, but it had been broadcast on tv since '77. Video recorders had been available, new or for rent, from 1972, and by '79 second-hand VCR's and bootleg movies were easy to get hold of.
Dude, you could get commercial films to project 🎥 @ home BEFORE VHS & vhs players came out!!
@@GoldenAgeSk8Video fair enough, a good point well said.
Amazing how un-pretentious those three have always been, and not ever embraced myths.