Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer - Why I would have a big Touring bike - and a Mutter
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- As the name suggests, I ride all year round and in all weather (well nearly all weather) and when it really gets tough I like to know that the motorcycle I am riding can cope. Last year in particular we had some extreme wind and rain and without my trusted Triumph Tiger 1050 I would have been stuck. The smaller bikes are fine but tend to get blown about in gusty wind and you can get swamped by heavy rain and traffic. The Tiger helped keep me planted and out of the worst, having that higher riding position really helps. However, it was a very heavy and top loaded beast that was at times difficult to manhandle and although I never did drop it there were times I came close. As you know I changed the 1050 for the 900 which when I test rode, found to be light, well balanced and easy to move about.
When I saw Uncle Stu’s video, whilst I totally agree with the majority and the sentiment I could not help but notice that he was basing his reasoning on older bikes. I wondered if he would think the same if he tried the new bikes. Of course I can’t talk about the BMW GS as I have never tried one but I was surprised what I found with the Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer.
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You keep churning out quality. I too liked Uncle Stu's video and thought he spoke enormous sense. My own feelings on large capacity is something we've corresponded over - and is much in line with yours.
I came from the 'BMW world' so have some experience - and perhaps too subjective.
The GS is an interesting and very important machine in the development of motorcycling. I'd say it is responsible for the modern adventure machine, including this Triumph.
What a turn around from a machine, the original 'little' GS, which existing owners approached with great caution, later elation for a 'city' bike turning into the 'ultimate' transcontinental tourer standard (what happened to the RTs crown!) by adding a lot of weight, and power. I think the other manufacturers followed suit and this Triumph - with variant stylings like the big Kawa Versys, Suzuki VStrom and others, saw the opportunity.
For me, the original GS, with an adventure fairing (in the same way as the R100 spawned the RS and RT add-on fairings) would embody the simplicity, and weight saving agility, of the machine.
And...queue Himalayan/Scram, perhaps with that nice Baak fairing I sent a picture of to you.
I think BMW, maybe still the discerning choice of the affluent that they were (or in my case, sell your soul to have one) are still overpriced, even more so than they once were, now still trading on the superior German engineering, quality and finish they could once demonstrate but now, I think, can't.
These behemoths (Stu's good choice of a word) do offer the comfort smaller machines lack, the ease of power on big roads which does, however, often translate to a loss of fun on smaller roads. They also offer all the bells and whistles which I agree are an economic decision by the manufacturer to not offer on smaller, now mid range, machines. But we started on 650-750 'behemoths' with all that full faired comfort (well, such as the electronics of the day allowed), and that could still be the case. Your comments on that KTM390 display an example. "Why don't Honda add cruise control to the NC750X", is a common question, not to mention a comfortable seat. Both apply to many mid-range machines. But of course, the manufacturers are playing those prices and encouraging the upgrade to their bigger models, which elicit greater servicing profits for the dealers, and so on.
Yes, Stu should try the others, but I suspect he would still come to the same conclusion.
What a splendid comment, such a well thought and knowledgeable observation. Thank you for putting so succinctly. Marvellous 😊
Now TAYM just a great video and I do like a good Trumpet but I do have a suggestion 😃 when you finish the video put the bike on the Center Stand and say bloody Marvellous 😳👍
That’s a brilliant idea 😊 I wont be putting many bikes on centre stands i guess 😊
It's amazing how some big bikes feel so light and well balanced. I was amazed at the blind spot detection, I've yet to see that on a motorcycle until now!
They certainly have done wonders in distributing the weight. I think the blind spot detection is a real game changer if you ride on the motorway/freeway but I do find myself still checking with my eyes😊😂😂
Some multistradas also have blind spot detectors
A good honest review as usual and just as I was about to say " but it's not the GS killer it was hyped to be" you knocked me for a six. Every other review on this bike that I have watched, viewed it as not coming up to the mark against its German rival. Thank you for pointing out that bums on seats appears to prove otherwise!! Folks are returning from the Dark side, Marvelous!!
😂😂😂 a very small sample pot but that’s what I noted over here in Suffolk 😊
Bikes are very subjective, as you say it is the fun factor that is most important, personally avoid the huge bikes totally down to being vertically challenged more than any other reason, I get Uncle Stu's points, he has his opinion and explained why. For me, 2 wheels and an engine = happy :)
Me too 😊
Bloody marvellous is all I can say - excellent video thanks TAYM .....good counter to Uncle Stu the salesman ( funny how he released that video just before reviewing the 350 Hunter )
Thanks Tom 😊 I was disappointed, I thought the Hunter video would be a full review seen as how he gets press bikes early, very disappointed it was just about a forthcoming video. 😊
@@TAYM true - par for the course now - multiple teasers before anything meaty - hit the snooze button :)
@@tomstockell9481 😂😂😂😂
one fine looking,no doubt ,confidence inspiring solid mass of a motorcycle.
It is indeed 😊
I think Uncle Stu is right in his mind that you don’t neeed a big bike but if you want a big bike that’s not an issue these days. For myself I now find my Classic 350 does everything I want but for others they would find it lacking. As a side note I travelled back from Wokingham to Basingstoke yesterday afternoon in howling winds, a lot of the way side winds and have to say “Omega” never moved once, just planted to the road, I was amazed !
On another note the sound of the 1200 now they have altered the firing order, to my mind I much preferred the note of my old 12 reg Street Triple 🙂
Yes my 1050 had a marvellous tone to it. I too believe you can just about do anything with most bikes. In fact on the Himalayan two up video with Mrs TAYM, we had really strong side winds and it didn’t budge an inch. However, this morning I switch from the 500 to the Tiger to come into work. It was torrential rain (as it had been all night) with many side roads flooded along with parts of the A14. I plumped for the A14 route in and out there in the wind and rain, mixing it with the hgv’s, vans and nervous car drivers, I muttered to myself, there was no bike I would rather have been on. Yes I could have done it on Bertie and with a smile on my face but it would have been a slightly nervous smile and I am pretty sure I would have arrived a little wet at work. As I said, I don’t disagree with a lot of what Stu said, just not all. 😊
Great film TAYM. Like you said on other occasions, it is a tool for a job. I use a bike for commuting, but I would choose a completely different bike if I was just pottering around. Cheers 👍
Absolutely 😊 thank you 😊
Another bike to look at! Wonderful. I like to see your rides on all the different bikes that are out there. A counterpoint to Uncle Stu's video. What an impressive machine the Tiger 1200 is and it looks good too. I suspect that in my case, if I wanted more comfort and hauling capacity than my Royal Anvil, I would prefer to take the car.
Thanks 😊 yes I think that was the point that Uncle Stu just stopped short of. My problem is I don’t like taking the car😊 even when it’s the sensible choice😊😂😂
@@TAYM I can understand that. You need an all year round motorcycle 😁😁👍👍
@@GapBahnDirk that’s right😊 hence my quest 😊😂😂
I have a big VFR Crosstourer but even that is no where near the physical presence of the Tiger 1200, they are huge. Totally agree with your sentiments about riding a big bike, the safety, the power and how they make you feel. I sat on one a couple of times now but I am nowhere near flat footing the bike. Great review.
Thanks, you do need a good 34 inches of inside leg and preferably more to get over that back seat 😂😂😂😂
@@TAYM Now you boasting haha. I am a mere 5'10 with 31 inside leg so will stick with the little VFR lol
@@blearyview2254 😂😂😂
Passed a couple of guys on my Sunday ride out over Hardknott and wrynose passes. One on one of them tigers the other on a GS. Got to the top of Hardknott looked back no sign of them. Took it easy due to sheep on the road along wrynose bottom road and stopped on the top of the pass, still no big bikes catching me up. But to be fair it was raining and I was on a himalayan, so suppose I had an advantage.
Really enjoy your channel BTW and even started saying splendiferous for the good stuff.
😂😂😂 that’s marvellous, brilliant, love it 😊😂😂
Did you consider they may have stopped at one of the viewpoints to take photos? I rode over them in May this year and we stopped for 20mins just admiring the views.. not everyone is in a hurry.
@@richiedewen9289 hmmm, unless they are on a T120 😂😂😂😂
@@TAYM No that would have been over the Hardknot pass and having a coffee in Eskdale before the Himmy had finished the Wrynose! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@richiedewen9289 😂😂😂
I have to be honest, if I was a few years younger I'd be happy on a big tourer, but a couple of years ago my big old 955i Tiger was getting just too cumbersome on the drive and in the man-cave. I do miss it from time to time on the motorways, but it wouldn't be of any use on some of the mountain tracks I've been using Blizzard the Himalayan on. Perhaps the answer might be a bigger man-cave! Nice overview of the big 'un. Cheers.👍
I know what you mean . My 1050 was awful to move about, so heavy but these new ones just seem much easier, especially the 900. I would like a Himalayan and would feel much safer on the rough stuff with one but on the big roads mixing it with hgv’s, rain, wind and idiot cage riders I feel much safer on my moderately sized cat 🐈 😊
Proper review !!
Very good viewpoints and yes it’s all people need to know if they love these machines 😊😊
Stewart’s comments were as you say possibly based on heavier bikes
And it was a grabbing head line based purely on his thoughts and experiences but didn’t look good for prospective customers tho 😮
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Yes, he wasn’t wrong just misdirected I think 🤔 😊 thank you 😊
I haven't been in agreement with Stu all that often lately but I'm largely with him on this issue, I can't see the point in paying a zillion dollars for a premium large tourer/adventure bike when I wouldn't need its full capacity for anything more than maybe 5% of the riding I do.
It's the same with cars, I live in rural Western Australia and I see them all the time on long weekends and/or holidays, running up and down the highways in $90,000 Toyota Land Cruisers or tricked out dual cab utes with all the fantasy off road fruit when the only off road driving they do is the 500 meters of gravel that takes them from the highway to the campsite or caravan park. The rest of time those behemoths live up in Perth and spend the bulk of the time dropping the kids off at school and driving to work or shopping. Down here in Australia we call them 'Suits in utes'.
If you do actually use them for the purpose for which they're designed then fair enough but I suspect the bulk of them are the bike equivalent of the suits in utes, especially in the UK where to be honest you don't really have large distances to cover. For the money I'd rather have a couple of cheaper bikes that are more focused on the type of riding I do, for me it's an Interceptor for highway riding and a Classic 500 for the back roads.
I agree with you entirely but for me, my little tiger is my Ute and although it is only needed for around 15% of my riding, it is 15% I need to do. Of course I could use a car instead but I am a motorcyclist and do not want to. I almost thought Uncle Stu, when he was talking about the fuel economy, was going to suggest that you might as well use a car. He didn’t of course but I can’t help thinking that’s where he was going. Anyway, great comment 😊 thank you 😊
The problem with him, apart from his terminally dull content, is that he seems to think what he thinks is some revelation which everyone must accept as gospel. All he does is rationalise his own decisions by criticising the choices of others. Oh that and the tin foil hat stuff.😂
@@bambalam9170 Yeah, I don't even click on his stuff any more.
Interestingly O'l Man Ronin has just given his take on the subject 👍
That is interesting, I shall take a look😊 thank you 😊
AND I do have high heeled Altberg boots for wearing on the Enfield! 🙄
Thought as much 😂😂😂
It’s horses for courses. If you need a mile muncher, then it’s ideal. If I want to explore further afield, I will cheat by chucking one of the bikes into the back of the van 😂 nice video, as usual.
Absolutely. 😊
Morning TAYM excellent video these big bikes are a wee awkward to move around but feather light on the go the technology on them is amazing it could that a good contender for the big bmw R1250 gsa.
I wondered when bmw are releasing that new 1300
One should of been this year but holded back they have till next year 👍👍
What! They’ve made it bigger!? Wtf 😳 😂😂😂
@@TAYM it got announced two years ago but when Ducati brought that multi-Strada out with all the fancy electronics and triumph and brought this one out they didn’t release it so I wonder what they are going to do with it because it all ready had all the electronic toys and more you can ring a bmw dealer ask them there keeping quite st the moment 👍🙏
@@SOLOMOTOUK strange 🤔😊😂😂
Very nice bike TAYM if you have long legs, never had much appeal to me but they sell in pretty high numbers so there is market for them. I share Stuart's sentiment though, to big and to heavy for me... marvelous review though.....
Thank you. 😊 for me it is my car, it’s the bike I resort to when needs must, simply because I prefer to be on a bike than in a car. Thankfully I have the legs (and at present the youth) to manage them. I think the point I was really trying to make is that the big bikes now are very different from their predecessors, even from only a few years ago. The weight is less and better distributed and the aids are better too. 😊 thanks as always for your comment 😊
It's Mahvelous!
It is 😁 and the new one is even better 😁 thanks JS 😁
Cracking video as usual TAYM, I think Mr Feelinglum has had a downer on most subjects recently, I had to give up watching his videos about 12 months ago.. he's had nothing new, relevant or interesting to say for ages.
Personally I love a big adventure/touring bike, you sit up higher than other bikes and are able see over most car roofs for anything dangerous. As for the extra weight and equipment, Theres a bit of a recurring moan on V-Strom forums about all the extra bits on the 1050XT has over the stock 1050 with the stock 1050 owners saying stupid things like you don't need switchable cornering ABS or multi level traction control, we didn't have that years ago we just used the throttle . . . Blah blah blah... Or hill hold and hill descent control? Just cover the brake! Blah blah blah....
All well and good on a gentle incline but try pulling away on a fully loaded bike on an incline greater than a road camber and you'll be thanking a very clever person for inventing such things! My argument is they are now standard on most higher capacity top end bikes nowadays and are an invaluable safety item.. I'd rather have them and not need to use them than not have them and need them!
Rant over and relax! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Marvellous, it is a clear case of horses for courses, I don’t need a bike that can do 70, 80, 90 or even 95 percent of what I need to do, I need to do 100%. Even if that means having two or more bikes. I don’t like it when people argue that a certain bike will do 90% of what you want to do. I mean, imagine I want to go to London and could only get within 5 or 10 miles of my destination! I could give a million other examples but it just gets silly. It simply doesn’t make a good argument especially when you have no experience of the very thing you are rubbishing, if you know what I mean. Still a lot of interesting comments. 😊
@@TAYM I know exactly what you mean, I had a 2019 V-Strom 650XT, I did a couple of 2up rides and a week long tour on it and just didn't feel safe or comfortable overtaking or riding on faster A & B roads with all the extra weight I luggage or pillion was carrying...
I've done the same thing on my V-Strom 1050XT and it feels so much safer and better for having the extra power and torque to dispatch overtakes or ride up long hills and inclines. 70mph on a motorway no longer required a downshift to stay at 70mph... (Plus cruise control is wicked!) 🤣🤣😉
@@richiedewen9289 I didn’t think I would use any of the gubbins on my 900 but find I use it all on a regular basis. I know the screens can cause a bit of noise and buffeting but my god they keep you so much dryer in the rain and don’t get me started on the heated seats and grips or the quick shifter up and down 😂😂😂 marvellous 😂😂😂
Very tempting, but to be honest I’ve never thought “what I really need now is another 60 odd ponies” when I’ve been riding Black Betty, my 900GT Pro. Of course, if I go for a test ride I might think differently…😂
😂😂😂😂 I often think the same when I am on my classic 500 😊😂😂 thank B 😊
That is a marvelous bike there but it would be too tall for me-5ft 8inches with a 29 inside leg. I actually like the style, but to me something like the old Honda 750-800 VFR would be my choice. I`ve toured to Devon from Staffordshire on my old CB250 back in the mid 70`s. But as you say, a bigger bike is more planted, safer I think, and you were right, you have to cope with the awful driving by other road users. Stu F remembers touring on a small bike, OK, but in those days they were more powerful. My CB250 had 30 hp and I still found it wanting in situations like a long pull. Besides he has a garage full of bikes to choose from ,and I don`t think he would choose his 350 over his T120 to travel a long distance. He is right about the GS being a behemoth though, too heavy, too wide, and too unwieldy for anything other than motorway touring.
My mate Dave would be jealous as hell of your 5’ 8” and 29” leg 😂😂😂 I should think he dreams of such height. But seriously, i had completely forgot about the power of those old 250’s, you are absolutely right. Plus, something i shall touch on in my Friday Mutter, my mate Richie sent me a photo of his Vstrom 1050 loaded up with all his gear for a 10 day tour, including bike spares, in all weighing over 60kilos, stick a couple of middle aged humans of average size and weight, that would seriously effect the brakes, handling, fuel economy and just about the all round ability of a 250 or 350, no matter how slow or careful you go. Modern larger bikes have all the weight slung down low (in particular the VFR) so any added weight is counter balanced. Still it was a good video just a little biased and perhaps made for clicks. Thanks ever so much for a well balanced comment. 😊😊
@@TAYM Don`t worry about the slight bias, we watchers all know you like the big T. As for your mate with the V-strom (lovely bike) I`d love to see Stu F cope with that lot on Porlock Hill on the 350 Classic. 🔝⏳
@@Snapper2110 😂😂😂 that would be fun 😂😂😂
Obviously fluid resovior see through for the level and yes it’s for safety!
So are all the metal ones on Enfields etc unsafe?
@@TAYM no but I gave you a reason. Just easier at a glance to see fluid not leaked out. Which would be very unusual I admit. Some have a level indicator but it’s easier to see when it’s transparent. Service check while you are riding…., oh just remembered not checked brake level lately I’m doing 70 ok got it level is ok!!! 😝
@@DLoneRanger 😂😂😊
The big Tiger Rally Explorer1200 with it's 21" front wheel reminds me of a Sumo wrestler in Ballet shoes .
Kinky , but if some folks like that kind of thing , who am I to judge ?
That’s right, it does now you mention it 😂😂😂😂
Great bike, to be fair Triumph to do make a nice stable of bikes, is there such a thing as a terrible bike these days? We are certainly spoiled for choice!
I agree, there are no bad bikes, least I haven’t found one yet😊 thanks 😊
I much prefer the look of the clear plastic reservoirs over the square metal ones. They look dated in my opinion
Interesting. 😊
A fair review but most of the tech that is raved bout on this Tiger has been on the BMW for years. And that’s the real point Triumph have built and developed this to try and level the playing field. Problem is BMW and Ducati are always one big step ahead. If I’m wrong check global sales.
I trust what you are saying entirely, Triumph are a small player in the world of motorcycles, selling on about 80k a year across all their models and with no car manufacturing to support and share research and development they will never be BMW. As far as Ducati go, from friends that have ventured down that road, it is short lived and dotted with both mechanical and electrical issues. However, all say the same, when it all works they are exceptional. Only what I’ve heard. I must get out and try some for myself. 😊 thank you 😊
Yes but no good for me. I wouldn’t be able to touch the ground. Now you know why I have the meteor
The Meteor is a jolly marvellous motorcycle 😊
I agree, riding the bike is for fun, not economics. If you use it for work, buy a cheap 350 cc, and a second bike for fun.
Excellent comment 😊 thank you
Actually even worse are these raised seats at the back. I could ride them but can’t get my leg over anymore! 🙄😂
😂😂😂😂 that is an issue even with 34 inches of prime inside leg sand only made worse by slightly injury torn stiff hips 😂😂😂
These bikes are really mile munchers rather than trail bashers. The GT explorer makes more sense than the rally Explorer really. In the right hands though they are very off road capable.
That’s why I went for the 900 rally 😊
Thanks TAYM. I'm sorry, and I'm sure it's me, but I just don't get the point of a 550 lb, $20,000, semi-offroad machine. If I want to go down a gravel road on my Bonnie or Tiger Sport 660, I do it; albeit, gingerly. If I want to haul ass down a gravel road, I grab one of my quads or use a purpose made dirt bike to do that. Like you said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and, IMO, these ADV monstrosities are uglier than a mud fence.
No need to be sorry and I am sure 100% it is not you. 😊😂😂
Very Nice bike but not for me! As for the mirrors call them coffin mirrors lol!
😂😂😂😂 marvellous 😊 never noticed that, excellent 😊
😡 Right that’s it. I’m starting a campaign to limit the height of motorcycle seats to 800mm, and that is being generous! Can I count on your support? There will be free leg reductions on the National Health included - just for you. BUT for YOU they will be compulsory, to free you from the curse of the 34” inside leg! 😡😡😂
😂😂😂😂 I thought that might give you a giggle, 🤔 or a stroke 😂😂😂
yeah? 🤨
🤔 😂😂