Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro Review - Riding Triumphs Big Adventure Bike
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- When the Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro was launched there were a lot of direct comparisons to the BMW GS in the press release. So it's obvious that the Hinckley team were gunning for the bavarian beast. But is it a case that the GS is a bike that's greater than the sum of its parts and thus making a lighter, faster more equipped competitor may not be enough to tempt people away? In this video, I take the Tiger 1200 Rally Pro out for a ride to summarise my thoughts after a few weeks of living with the big Triumph.
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00:00 - Intro
00:28 - Road Riding Review - Gunning for the BMW GS
01:56 - It's lighter than the old model
04:05 - The riding experience
04:33 - All-new engine
05:49 - What's going on with the idle?
09:36 - Comfort & Ergonomics
11:29 - TFT display and modes
12:12 - Tyre choice
13:28 - Usable Off Road?
14:43 - Can it topple the GS?
17:32 - Conclusions & Price
18:20 - Sound under load - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Had the GS Adventure for around 4 years. Great bike. Fancied a change and bought the new Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. Not disappointed.
Great review, thank you! The high idle thing is a deliberate anti-stall feature (for a rider like me), or so I was told when I bought my 900. Just bought 1200 Rally Explorer and loving it!
I went for the 1200 Gt pro, and it's a lovely bike. I'm really really enjoying it. You are so correct about the starting hi idle and the pull you have in first and second sometimes its a real help when in slow moving traffic. It's taken some time for me to get used to it, and if I'm truthful it can be a pain. I did make several comments to the dealer about the excessive reving when letting the clutch out. I've been told it's an anti stall system.
I'm sure the GS is a great bike. BMW have had years to perfect the bike I just don't like the look of the boxer engine. If your looking at getting the Triumph, it is a lovely bike wait till you open her up the induction noise is intoxicating.
triumph tiger 1200 is a amazing bike !! bought one in july 2023
I've got the rally explorer...rode down to Italy and back this year....85mph most of the way....no problem with vibes....just perfect....
Enjoyed your thoughts on the Tiger. Your thoughts and comments on the GS were well put also.
We are all spoilt for choice really, it’s good that the BMW has set such a high bar for others to compete against.
Will definitely try the Triumph when the next chance arises.
Yes the tiger, GS, KTM super adventure, Africa twin, V Strom XT etc are all really great bikes, so it’s down to personal preference of particular wants. The Tiger 1200 is a genuine GS alternative, but brand loyal customers are really hard to shift…..
Hi Tony, I have the Rally Explorer, and have had issues since i took delivery of it in July. Intermittent stalling when pulling off from a standstill, Hard to start from cold. Eventually Triumph admitted there IS an issue, and requested a hot and cold ECU check at the dealers, who i have to say have been brilliant ( Staffordshire Triumph). I was stopped from riding the bike by the dealer due to the stalling as a safety issue. Triumph have now issued a software update, which seems to have cured the issues. The bike once its pulled away i find brilliant. Handling, comfort and all the toys are really good. But youre right, its not a GS. I had Gs's for 10 years, and may go back to them yet. Thanks for the great review of this bike
Thanks for the info David. It is. Very good bike, but I don’t think it would sway die hard GS fans or owners away.
Hi Tony, great review as always. Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
Thanks 👍
Great video once again mate spot on
Thanks 👍
Lots of modern cars have the increased idle thing, it’s anti stall as others have said but I also think it allows a lower idle speed as well for fuel figures.
Hi Tony. as always a very good and well presented review. I tried the tiger twice as I did several other AV bike including the Ducati Multi V4 and V2, to replace my 1250 GS. I was very Exited about the new tiger but felt a bit let down. In the end I test rode the KTM SAS 2022 and was blown away. Needless to say I bought mine 4 moths ago and am totally smitten.
Thanks Ben. The 1290 SAS is a great bike, and I think much overlooked.
@@mancavemoto indeed. Which would you go for out of the two?
Rode the V4 and the GS, both great bikes, but never rode the KTM. Can check my content mate. You may like it.
Hi Tony you don’t have much luck with the weather , great review keep um coming may I take this opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas 👍.
Ha! no not recently. Wishing you a Happy New Year
awesome machine, excellent review , thnx Tony!
No problem
The fast idle is actually an anti stall feature. If you are in neutral or with the clutch full in it will idle normally. In gear and clutch part out it increases idle to reduce stall as you pull away. My 2018 tiger has the same feature just less prominent.
Yep I get that, I had a 2108 Tiger 800 too. But this is much more marked, I could never pull away with my Tiger without at least some throttle, on this you can
Euro 6 bikes run very lean down low in the rev range and love to stall, the high idle once you put it in gear and start to let the clutch out is Triumph's solution.
It's also part of the anti-stall feature, which I think can be turned off in the settings. But I haven't checked.
@@newenglandscrambler2262 my 2022 1200 scrambler has it and it can't be turned off on that.
I also have it on my2017 tiger 1200
Great, real world review.
3 big things for me
1. Cost. Why are bikes now so expensive? I really think the manufacturers now price them to get you in the pcp loop. And it's hard to get out of it without losing a lot financially.
2. The technology. How will it hold up after the 4 year warranty runs out? And how many non franchise dealers can work on it?
3. Size. At 5'9" ,put a pillion and luggage on it and I'm struggling when stationary. Especially on a camber.
Love the fact Triumph are competing with the best of Bavarian, but in many ways it's just too much.
Safe, happy travels 👍
Cheers, yes sadly everthing is expensive now, I was shocked at some of the prices of new cars too!
I bought a new explorer march 2022 and I love it.. The cutch release and idle is a stall assist when you take off from stop and indicated by James Hutchens comment. This is not a fault.
I had a stall issue when I would leave with a cold engine from my driveway at the start of the dat. Down my laneway to the stop sign and bike off. Also had cold start issues....I bought it to the dealer who advised there was an ECU update and didn't have the issues afterwards. That was late in the season last year so we'll see what spring 2023 brings. 3 year warranty will hopefully deal with any issues that pop up. Cheers!
Thanks for the info. I didn't the clutch issue was a fault its just more than i noticed on other bikes, a lot more. So the ecu remap just suggest Triumph are doing something about a potential stalling issue. But as i said in the video, its a minor issue and its a great bike.
@@mancavemoto thanks for the follow up. Love your reviews btw
Great review thanks 👍
Thanks for watching!
With the revs picking up pulling the clutch in , my hayabusa had a TRE illuminated when you pulled the clutch in it picked the revs up 500rpm to help on down shifting like a blipper
Great review, I think the screen adjustment is great. Much better than the GS.
Yep, really simple. It seems an obvious solution that other manufacturers try to over complicate
Owned a 2016 12GS and had a couple issues with it, but overall it was a great bike.
I now own the 1200 Rally Explorer, and have nearly 6k miles on it, with zero issues.
The Tiger is better off road than the GS, except at low speeds. The GS has more low end grunt.
The front end of the GS always felt vague to me while riding off road, always feeling like it was about to wash out, which I attribute to the the Telelever suspension.
Having owned the GS, I can now speak to the hype surrounding it. BMW states that well over 90% of GS riders will never take their bike off road. I imagine most Triumph owners won’t either..
The best analogy I can give that’s comparable is this.. here in the states, and here in Colorado especially, we have a ton of Jeep Wranglers, all lifted, huge tire/wheel combinations, winch, several Rotopax, and off-road lights galore..
and, 90+ percent of those Jeeps will never, ever be taken off road.
The GS is the same situation.. people watch Ewan and Charlie riding around the world and want to be just like them..
Anyway, I’m rambling.. what I’m trying to say is that buying a GS, or any other bike, attaching panniers, crash bars, etc.. doesn’t make any bike an ‘adventure bike’. Riding your GS from Colorado to Florida isn’t an adventure, it’s just a road trip, and nearly any motorcycle will do that..
rambling
rambling .....good observation.
@@drleon-vc7df yes, rambling, but I’m also correct..
Ramble on...
Nice review Tony. I think your summary is spot on, it's an alternative to the GS but I can't see its USP other than its not a GS 🤔. Price, warranty etc are the same and most of the specs are also similar. I think if they had undercut BMW by a few thousand this would really tempt riders in triumphs direction. The one issue I had with the original tiger was how top heavy it was compared to the boxer GS, how did this new one compare? I don't pay any attention to wet weights on the spec sheet as it all about how the bike actually feels when you trying to manually move it around the garage. Keep up the great videos 👍
Cheers Darren. The bike definitely feels less top heavy than the previous model as well as my old 800. The beemer still ppis it in this respect though. Rolling it’s surprisingly nimble, but manhandling it around off the bike is an effort.
Good vid.
It’s much bigger/taller in person. The modes are really cheeky. The on off throttle, and coming cruise control can be a bit rough. Heated seat and grips are really good. Super comfy seat and decent wind protection. I could use a wider screen. 🤔
(You missed the opportunity to help the lady move the car into parking.) 😉
My 2022 Scrarmbler 1200 does the revs rise when the clutch is let out thing as well. Not sure about the trundle along high idle thing but I have a feeling it does that too.
Interesting….
I'm 6'1" and tried to sit on the Rally yesterday. It's just too high off the ground. It's fine when you are moving and don't have to stop much but if you are touring with a pillion and luggage and you get stuck in traffic jam you are in a bit if a pickle. I've had this happen a few times on my cruiser which I can flat foot and even i was struggling after 30mins of stop start crawl traffic. I'm not feeble either....lol.
Coincidentally when I was at the dealership there was a fully accessorized including luggage Rally Explorer sitting there for sale with 1k on the odo. The owner couldn't handle the height and so swapped it for a Multistrada at a considerable cost.
My Multistrada V4S stalled a lot and I believe its due to Euro and California emissions (I'm USA based). Ended up needing to bypass charcoal canister and removing secondary vacuum for blow-by.
My 2018 765 Street Triple RS also had same issue (stall on deceleration) and was never really resolved. High idle is likely due to stall out from emissions requirements so high idle is downloaded after delivery so factory isn't cheating emissions. I could be wrong. Just guessing.
Too tall for me so tried the Multistrada V2S, such an underrated bike. Despite previously owning three GSs think it’s the perfect road bike.
I line the V2s as well. Cracking bike.
Nice looking scooter with the exception of the spoked wheels.
There is a low seat option for the bike. I have it and it makes heaps of difference.
I think I'm right in saying that the reason 90% fuel is used is because it is the 'standard' when adding other consumables ( such as oil & battery [?]) to go from 'dry' weight to 'wet' weight. Nice review.
Could be, I just couldn’t recall seeing it described like that anywhere else? Cheers
It has a anti stall built in...if you pull the clutch in fully...it ticks over nicely
AWESOME VIEW FROM THE CAMERA FANTASTIC MAGICAL
Glad you enjoyed it
Interesting if they have increased the tick over, it could make the bike lerch forward. I own a GS 1250 but have had issues with it
It doesnt lurch, but it definitely will pull from standing with no throttle
Very good video Tony. I have a 2017 GS and have been looking to change, I tried the Tiger GT and Rally pro versions and thought they were very good, although I preferred the GT. In the end, two things put me off. The cockpit on the Tiger looks cheap with a pretty underwhelming TFT and horrible plastic brake and clutch reservoirs. The 2nd thing is the Triumph dealer and manufacturer backup. As a Thruxton RS owner, my experience is that both are really poor compared to BMW and if you look into it you will see that Triumph servicing costs are much higher for the avearge rider. I have decided to hold my GS and wait for the new model.
Bought the Multi V2S after three GSs, love it..
@Ian Ted i need to try one Ian
Great review.
A bit, well a lot, over my budget!!
Btw what gloves have you got on. Blooming cold today, high of 2 degrees in Derbyshire
Heated gloves or heated grips??
Or both????
Best heated gloves with batteries as opposed to wired??
Thanks, aame here. They are the KEIS G701S and they work really well (heated grips and gloves together is amazing) There’s a few videos on my channel looking at various options
Even with heated everything it’s too cold at 2 degrees to go out. Especially with chill factor.
Warmer in front of the fire watching your vids and no need to spend hours cleaning muck and salt off bike.
Whereabouts are you in the uk?
My understanding is that kerb weight is measured with the tank 90% full. Therefore different than wet weight.
That seems to depend on the manufacturer, is most cases historically the Kerbweight referes to the weight with all fluids as the bike would be on the road ready to ride. I've noticed that some manufacturers stipulate 90% of fuel, but certainly not all. From my understanding Kerbweight always referred to a full tank.
Lovely bike but I would need a mounting block to get on it !
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Great review and totally concur with your view, why dont triumph do their own thing, all this TH-cam comparison stuff reminds me of the VW advert many moons ago, " if you want a Golf buy a Golf" want a GS buy one. Want something different buy a Multistrada or a Tiger..horses for courses !. Just remember if BMW hadn't set the bar so high all these other manufactures wouldn't be as good.
I do think Triumph missed a trick by not keeping the straight triple, why would you jump from a twin to triple that thinks its a twin !.
Thanks, yep but it was just so blatant from Triumph that they were going after the GS. It did seem strange at the time
The real pro it has over the GS is that (ignoring running in service)by 18k, the BMW has had three services and a valve check, whereas the Triumph has had one oil service. And they offer a GT Explorer, which is a road-biased GSA, which is not offered by BMW. I've had four GS/GSA's but I'm enjoying my Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. No idling or stalling problems for me. In fact no problems at all. Enjoy!
Thanks for the info Rich
Just bought mine. Picking up today. May I ask what your helmet cam and microphone setup is? Is your mic wireless? Gopro or Insta 4k?
Its a GoPro Hero 10 in a media mod with a wired Rode lavalier mic fitted in the helmet.
It is very common to quote wet weight with 90% fuel load. BMW do the same. They state "Weight According to Guideline (EU) 168/2013 with all operating fluids, with standard equipment and refuelled with min. 90% of the usable tank capacity". Looking at your rider mode setup when you were pulled over, the road setup looks like the throttle response was set in Sport rather than Road. This is a fault of the dealers not resetting the bike from the last test rider who has made some changes. There is a RESET ALL in rider modes and I would encourage all testers to do this rather than relying on the dealer. This is getting quite common and I've seen many a demo rider with modified setups on the Tiger and being unaware of the fact.
Thanks for the info, I’d never noticed it before
@@mancavemotoIt is in tiny writing at the bottom of the specs pages, easy to miss.
Hi.Enjoyed the Video. One Major issue i see in all the test ride reports , are the recalls ,warranty claims and General service History of the BMW GS1250/1200/1150/1100. I worked for a Multi Line Dealer for 13years. We Had Triumph, Ducati and BWM Brands.the BMW Bikes where the worst . Constant issues with rear Drives, ABS Pumps,Fuel Connectors and general service cost.The Triumps where excllent. Few Recalls and much lower service cost. A Future buyer should Look at the Cost History of owning a BMW. There not as Reliable as the Public Thinks.
Great vid for me as looking to go up to a larger ADV. Guessing you would take the AT over this?
Cheers, I would yes, but it’s a closer call than I though let it would be
@@mancavemoto I want to start doing some light off roading as well, which is better suited to the dual role, thanks again.
They are both much the same to be fair in that respect, the AT suspension is a little softer which could help a little road off road
I agreed, the GS is ugly, but you can't knock them. They are top of the range. Great video, please keep them coming and I love your way of expressing your take on said machines,
Yep, agreed and thanks
The 40 years anniversary looks nice to. Cannot say the same for others GSs. Rode some of them. Can check it. Would agree with your statement. :)
I wish they put the shaft drive on the 900. I tried the 1200 but it was too tall for me. Yep. Mine idles high as well. I told triumph and basically it’s the way it is. 😮
Suzuki have anti stall on all their bikes.
The Idle speed is designed in to help when pulling away, the 900 is the same.
When it needs service the wrench icon constantly flashes back and forth between the time in the upper left hand corner. Super annoying when driving to have it keep flashing and can only be reset by the dealer. Plus that's where the indicator light is...
Thanks for the info!
My question is this without trying to be anything or belittle the video or your views on the great otherwise Triumph. Why on God’s green earth everything has to be compared to a GS? In that sense every adv bike should be a GS or nothing else, right? I own a GS very pleased with it and never changing it. I ride the Tiger, the 1290-1090 Ktms and loved the GS hence I bought it. I’m not trying to defend the GS, it’s just a great bike for ME and that is all, yet again every manufacturer tries to build something compared to the GS… Beautiful video with the rain and stuff love the somewhat countryside! Job well done Sir👏👏
A good question, and I pitched the video that way purely because Triumph very openly said that they were aiming the tiger 1200 directly at the GS on its launch.
@@mancavemoto well let them say why they can build a two cylinder engine in the same chassis to imitate a GS… I mean they have already a drive shaft 😂😂😂 cheers
I've owned 4 gs's....they are a great bike....but the triumph beats it on overtake acceleration and the quick shifter is smoother....only one gripe....it wants android auto...the triumph connect app is rubbish.....Good review
Well done review mate. Enjoyed it. Would love to try one. Who knows what is the real reason for that strange idling? Never rode a Triumph, but I would love to. Keep it up.
It seems it’s there to prevent stalling, but maybe it’s just a little too much? The bike does feel like it’s a life off it’s own on a cold start.
@@mancavemoto I get it. These modern bikes are strange. This is all I can say. :)
Had 17 gs's and have a deposit on the upcoming 1300 ! However I have just bought the big triumph !
For me much nicer/better than the gs . All being well the 1309 gs will deliver but who knows !
I know its shallow . . . but i don't like the rear tyre being a 150
Thats fair enough, but its a common size for adventure bikes
Just curious about your thoughts on this bike. You wondered how many people would venture too far offroad on this bike. Do you wonder the same about GS riders? It would seem to me that a Rally Explorer would be every bit as capable offroad as a GS. Surely it can't be the type of bike. The type of owner, perhaps?
Hi Kevin, I was thinking more about the type of rider. Its a very capable bike as is the GS, but the vast majority see little dirt. I not knocking those people, I ride an frica Twin which only sees graded byways and tarmac. I think people who really want to hit more extreme off road would choose a different machine.
The GS does not have a 21 inch front wheel option.
Africa twin or tiger? Which one would you buy?
Africa Twin all day long
Glad you said that, I've got the tri colour 22 adventure sport. Watched you video and just fitted the s4 lights and horn and hex easy can. Love it, the three bikes one was gs, the tiger, but it was africa twin that got me, best looking it just had something I can't explain.
Ok same question but predominantly have a passenger
Depends what you want. Just going on nothing but reputation, I'd favour the Honda for reliability. Infotainment is arguably better too. There is a list of compatible phones that work with the Triumph. Anything will work with the Honda.
On the plus side for Triumph, it has shaft drive, which is a great thing on long trips. The Tiger has significantly more power, which not only makes it a lot more fun, but more practical riding two up, particularly with luggage and in hilly terrain. Comfort. The Tiger is one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever ridden. And finally, looks. Subjective, I know, but I think the Tiger is a much nicer looking bike than the Honda and I'm not a fan of the Honda's gawdy paint schemes.
To each, their own though. Thank God we've got so many choices.
GS owners are a bit like Harley owners. They are rusted on. Nothing wrong with the GS - just a bit boring...but very good.
Re high idle- Suzuki do the same thing i.e. vstrom1000, it's a "rider aid".
Anti stall , so I understand.
Yes, i've ridden them. Afew bikes have it, but this just seemed excessive
Another in a series of GS killers!
Despite the obvious copies not yet.
Big draw for BMW is the European back up, also they're after sales guarantee is a 10 for me. Not saying anything neg towards Triumph the bike looks outstanding but for now I'll stay
Thanks for skipping over the technical details. More interesting to know how the bike feels.
No problem 👍
I had a 2012 Explorer before changing to my first GSA in 2019; loved the bike so still hold a bit of a flame for this bike!! At ABRFEST2022 me and my mates rode the V2 & V4 MS, 1290 SAS and the Tiger 1200 which impressed me the most of the combo, though I'd find it hard to but one again as found the Dealer support is flawed. A great review though and never say never!!!
Cheers Gaz, what did you think of the 1290 SAS?
@@mancavemoto I’ve seen so much positivity about this bike and always loved the looks and attitude of the SAS and SAR, though wasn’t as impressive to ride but then again it was a guided loop around the park 🤔
In My country with that money you buy the 900 rally pro
I'd rather have a GS, but I'd prefer an 890R to either.
Yep it’s all horses for courses but some people get so hot under the collar about it! I’m looking forward to trying the new 890 Adventure S, that looks good. I’d also pick an Africa Twin over the GS or Tiger, because I just prefer the ergonomics and riding experience
@@mancavemoto The AT is a fine bike. I like the basic L model. Lightest.
Idle is high. There. See that? Done. My god
But it’s not just a high idle is it. It picks up when the clutch is released so it’s been set up in the ecu map. Hence my question, it’s obviously an anti stall device
Pity the motor is made in India, and good luck picking that thing up when you are out on your own. Its lethally top heavy specially with a full tank.
I thought it was made in Thailand? Pretty sure they only have factories in the UK, Thailand and Brazil (assembly only).
1300 comes out soon so everyone will be playing catch up again
Once I’m bored of my tiger 800xca this and the gs second hand would be a option for me as I don’t like the look of the ktm at all and the Ducati is to expensive
Be nice if triumph re released the tiger sport with a engine similar to the new speed triple in it
I can't wait till BMW makes a GS 3000 that weighs 1200 pounds. Now that will be the ultimate off-road bad boy Adventure bike!
These menus that motorcycles come with these days are waaaaaay too convoluted
You soon get used to them, but to be honest in day to day riding you hardly ever touch them
And of course......it's British...
No way it's better than the GS, the bmw comes standard with limp mode Their fix? Free towing. I've owned 3 GSs, my DR650 is way better.
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90% of fuel is becouse this is number regulated by EU standarts, to give a buyer good representation of real world weight of a bike.
I almost quit watching it in the first 3 minutes because the review is over when you said it's not a GS. Why even review the bike when it's settled before you even get on it?
I think you missed the point of the video and that statement. I was framing the context of the review. Please don’t think that the only riding of the bike is what you see in the video. Nothing was decided ‘before’ getting on the bike at all.
@@mancavemoto Professional reviewers such as yourself always seem to reach the same conclusion with any bike that is not a BMW. It's not a BMW, so don't bother. It would be better for the entire community to just clarify which team you re on for before doing a review. Sigh...
Firstly I’m not a professional reviewer. That’s the point, there is no ‘team’ each bike is reviewed in its merits with no bias. Again you haven’t been able to grasp the context of the review. Me saying ‘it’s not a GS’ is making the point that hardcore GS fans would not switch regardless of how good another bike is. There’s no be polarised this one/that one answer. It’s a very good bike and I would probably pick it over the GS. But concept of ‘best’ isn’t categorical, it’s based on the riders preferences and opinions.
@@mancavemoto You are correct. My mistake. Sorry to group you into any group.
It will never match the GS because the Triumph will never have the low down weight distribution and Paralever/Telelever of the BMW. Good bike, but BMW has established the right formula.
And your handle proves that you are a BMW fanboy so why would you even watch this video?
Let me count the number of times I’ve seen a down low weight GSA on its side. 20 and counting. Too big to be serious.
You wish! Lol
I don’t ?!
@Man Cave Moto the triumph is a excellent motorcycle! But doesn't have the balance or the perfect stability under brakes of the gs! Don't get me wrong, the minute that is something better than the gs I'll buy it,but sadly the triumph still comes short! ( for me!)
GSA’s are not the best! Heavy and pricey! I’ll take a Triumph over a GSA and an Africa Twin over the Triumph unless of course the road to Starbucks is gravel, then it’s GSA. Lol. It all depends on what you want to do with the bike.
Exactly, but nobody said the GSA is the best….
@@mancavemoto except GSA owners, lol.
I would buy a BMW-branded item regardless of how many wheels it has, personally, I hate the Germans.
Sorry to disappoint you, Triumph was originally started by two Germans.
So how do you use most daily things if you're so adamant about boycotting German products?! Bosch has their finger in everything electrical, especially auto/motorcycle.
Also curious why you have such disdain for a country as a whole.
Do you mean that you would NOT buy a BMW? Otherwise, your comment is confusing.
Ironic?
@@os6219 moronic more like
Probably voted for Brexit and UKIP