Charlie Rose and Thomas Friedman - truly, truly, truly the two best people, in the world, to understand the multi-facets, and tremendous number of nuisances, in our world! ------ And in a truly balanced, and center-thrusted, manner! ----- I could listen to Charlie and Thomas talk for hours! For hours! ---- I love these guys! ----- If only the leaders in our world - elected; governmental; business; educational; and non-profit - would earnestly and meaningfully listen to their wisdom; breadth; comprehensiveness; and yet detailed analysis and assessments!
@@User-r476 The Pope did not condemned Putin, Russia, Venezuelan Maduro, Nicaragua, Cuba and the list is big. The Pope's words has no meaning, Francisco is a politician, and I as an Argentine can tell you that most of Argentinean population as well as most of Latin American countries hates the Pope for being hypocrite and communist.
The best propagandist for Zionist Israeli crimes to be just ,since they are convinced they are the CHOSEN People ? This is the man that all Zionist American Jews love .
Glad to hear from you Mr. Rose. I missed the intellectual discourse and the excellent guests you had on your shows. Glad you are back doing what you do best.
Friedman has lost it as a journalist believes in propaganda has no idea and never has the true point of Israel’s lies of 2 state for 75 years with help of the USA .this man is as bad as the leadership of Israel that has known to lie to everyone of its friend .. this man a truly o nothing except get all his information from the IDF and knows less of reality
@@tarnopolNot sure your criticisms are valid with respect to this particular interview since Rose gives Friedman a good deal of time and space to express his thoughts, opinions, ideas, and insights on the topics they cover. Overall, I think Rose, personal foibles and moral shortcomings aside, did solid work on his former show on PBS even if he could , at times, be verbose. He is still better than a lot of journalists who do not probe their guests and ask questions in the informed manner that he does.
I don’t know what Friedman is talking about, a ceasefire on or before October 7th, because inside of this Apartheid State of Israel, more Palestinians had been killed in the West Bank than any other year of the occupation, so I don’t know WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, but I had tweeted, ‘Why REVENGE’ the week before October 7th. Because the word REVENGE had been scrawled on a Palestinian home that settlers had destroyed in the West Bank, just within a week before OCT 7th.
Friedman is a dual citizen and a settler (owns property in Israel) so his blindspot re The Occupation is willful ignorance. Nowhere did he admit the IDF has been shooting their own people according to the Napoleon directive. Charlie Rose's gentle line of questioning rather anemic with no hard questions (regional instability, 2000 lbs dropped on civilians, ethnic cleansing, UNSC allegations).
@@wallygator369 When you call down fire and brimstone, You better be ready for fire and brimstone. War is war. 10% blue on blue casualties are the norm. Especially among human shields.
Thomas skipped the egregiously brutal occupation and all international law protecting civilians -- including the Fourth Geneva Convention, the UN Charter, The U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and more. One of many key aspects included in the above is the legal right of the Palestinians to resist, even violently, Israel's horrific occupation. Tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of babies, blown to bits or buried alive by hundreds of U.S. 2,000-pound bombs doesn't seem to bother him much, if at all. He acts like this is a war and not a textbook case of genocide.
You start out by saying that the Palestinians have suffered an "egregiously brutal occupation. Where is the evidence? and what are your sources? Hamas, the corrupt PLO or Islamic Jihad? Don't be mentally lazy and try to get your information from both sides before you make up your mind. BBC,Al Jazeera, MSNBC etc. are not impartial, credible sources of information.
And you’re ignoring the Arab invasion of the Levant and the subsequent brutal colonization and multiple genocides of the indigenous civilizations in the area under repressive Islamic Arab/Turkish collapse rule. The indigenous ppl of Judea fought back. You want to talk about history, let’s talk about all of it.
Robert the next target of the islamists is you, wherever you live US or Europe, you do not understand about the conflict. Hamas and Iran are the absolute responsible for the death of the Palestinian population. And also the numbers are absolutely wrong and are not the propaganda you absorb, only Shifa hospital they claimed 500 and were a couple of dozens, so do math and your numbers are not realistic at all, maybe 5% or at maximum 10%. Israel is the worst genocidal state because the population of Gaza only grows, so I do not understand what text are you reading, maybe Tik Tok texts.
Why is it that all these so called experts of the area ignore the fact that Israel is an occupying force and when the occupied rise up against them it is a legitimate act.
"Rising up" is a pair of words. Specific actions, though, are specific actions. Which specific actions, specifically, are Palestinians justified in doing in order to improve their economic, political, and religious situation? Are they justified in protesting in front of embassies? Are they justified in organizing international boycotts of Israeli products? Are they justified in killing Israeli soldiers? Are they justified in taking Israeli soldiers prisoner? Are they justified in killing Israeli civilians? Are they justified in raping? Are they justified in kidnapping Israeli children? Is any action prohibited? Or is nothing, _nothing at all_ , no matter how brutal, too contemptible if the cause is Palestinian freedom?
As a british- israeli citizen, i must attest that the last thing the majority of the country want is to occupy anything, we dont want to be scared to be killed when we are a bus stop, by missiles and have to send our sons to war. please read history from a neutreal scource and enlighten yourself
If you’re Palestinian and you’re arrested, unlike if you’re Israeli (in which case you face a civil court, and two Americans have been killed, plus the USS Liberty which was attacked by Israel) Rachel Corrie was run over by a bulldozer and Shareen Abu Akleh was shot by the IDF, but if you’re Palestinian you face a Military Court. If Palestinian, you can be held without charge for years and years, and they simply don’t level charges, they simply sentence you to judicial imprisonment in six months time allocations, which are legal under the Occupation. Now they’re stripping men and boys, and we can see the wounds on their hands, from the plastic restraints, and they’re tortured. 20,000 killed vs 1200 killed, and google search each year that GAZA faced slaughter. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
One of the most amazing things about this war is that while Arab governments are hoping Israel wins this war American leftists want them to lose it. Really makes me think about the recent statements made by the UAE’s foreign minister in which he was pleading with westerners to stop thinking they understand Islamic terrorists better than those living in the Middle East do. In terms of the Palestinians, what you’re calling for would GUARANTEE that many more generations of Palestinians would needlessly suffer. Hamas has billions upon billions. They deliberately force their people into abject poverty with the only pathway to escape it is by killing people on behalf of Hamas. If at the end of this Hamas still governs in Gaza then nobody is going to help rebuild and security measures will tighten. Israel and Egypt will have the support of 90% of the world in this endeavor. The fact that this reality is obvious to any semi-intelligent person whose spent time objectively trying to understand this conflict tells me that you really just hate the Israelis and don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians. Otherwise, you would speak out on the “Jim Crow” type laws that Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan suffer under as well as the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of them in Syria. You didn’t though. You’re just blindly blaming Israel for everything with absolutely no concern for the fact that if you get what you want in this conflict the citizens of Gaza will suffer like they never have before and that suffering will never end because you insist Hamas be able to remain in power. I’m convinced that if people like you weren’t so vocal this conflict would’ve ended decades ago and am absolutely positive that infinitely fewer people on both sides would be killed. Yet, here you are advocating for the same lunacy that hasn’t worked at any point in the last 80 fucking years. At some point it’d be fantastic if you lot started thinking logically instead of being governed entirely by blind emotion. You ideas don’t work. Your ideas consistently make the situation worse. Humble yourself and embrace reality.
Isnt that the difference between being a Palestinian and an Israeli Arab? The Israeli Arabs have a political party and a voice in Israel. Maybe you should think about the road your Palestinian leadership has lead you down?
Oh I'm sure that none of their situation came from being under brutal Israeli occupation, persecution for several decades. I'm sure it's all the fault of the victims, most of who are children. But go off, professor!@@lisadiane10001
Oh my God how short fish memory is Both of the gentlemen forgot the West Bank Israel killing of honest civilians and forgot the endless settlements at occupied lands and evecting palastienans from their homes. All took place before Oct 7 2023. Thank you for giving me the chance to respond..
Yeah, sure. Like that's been the whole cause of Jew hate. Gee whiz there's never been any Jew hate before "the settlements". And if the Jews would just leave those settlements, then the world will just give them a big hug and tell them how much they love them. Just look at how much Hamas showed their love and appreciation when Israel self-ethnically-cleansed 8,000 Jews out of Gaza in 2005.
Man does Friedman engage in some wishful thinking on so many fronts. Like Hamas will just give up the hostages for an Israeli offered ceasefire. Like they would just walk away from Gaza and let an international-led supervisory coalition to take control. Like one day Sinwar will be raised on shoulders victorious and the next day there would be a reckoning against him?
In May of 1948 when the state of Israel came into existence the UN also gave the Palestinians an opportunity to form their own state. Rather than form their own state. they decided to join Jordan.Syria and Egypt in a brutal war against the newly created state of Israel with the goal to destroy and kill all Jews in this new state.The Arabs failed and were soundly defeated in their murderous venture and now they play the role of innocent victims of Israel.
I think there will be other questions for Israel too...where are my dead children? Hamas is half of the worst...but did Israel really have to bomb ad infinitum, starve the populace, bomb water and sewage systems, shoot youth on the streets even while laughing, open fire into apartments full of women and children? I have loved listening to youth both for years, but the reaction to the October 7th atrocities has been wildly an overkill and it's questionable how much has been aimed at Hamas. Also, consider 100 journalist killed, may of them contacted and targeted by the IDF. Nentanyahu and his administration bear responsibility for taking this war so very, very far.
@@dpeatebc7265 They had no choice to go so far...to annihilate? Retaliation is one thing; annihilation is another. The latter includes over 20,000, the majority of whom are women and children who have nothing to do with Hamas. Human beings are expected to have some sense of proportion and morality.
Never been a mistery. Israel had full knowledge of it and did nothing. Also… resistance to an occupation and attempt to seal prisoners for hostages. It’s not that complicated, Israel brought this in to themselves and now for sure they are never gonna be safe. 😢
Did Israel attack themselves? To place the blame on HAMAS? It sounds on the surface, preposterous. But, with Mr. N. who knows? We're back to where we started.. Go figure the Middle East....
One of the most interesting interviews I've seen about the Israeli/Hamas war. Thomas Friedman has such a wealth of knowledge and explains everything so clearly. And Charlie Rose asks good questions and then does actually listen, which is a refreshing difference from many other interviewers.
I listen to this video this morning at 10:56 and it is so great to hear again Charlie roses, incisive, questioning, and Thomas freeze Friedman's incisive answers. Just wonderful.
Yeah, I love Thomas Friedman. I learn a lot from him. I'm not sure I have the same optimism he has but I share his concerns should things go in a bad direction. Dear God, everyone, vote Biden for president, if only to keep Trump out of the White House! I miss Charlie Rose. I realize he got himself in trouble with unacceptable behavior. I'm glad these things came to the surface but still grateful he was able to interview Mr. Friedman.
actually prior to oct 7th Israel controlled 10% of the water and fuel of Gaza, ther rest was controlled by hamas. Apparantly Germany donated 100 million euro worth of pipes to Gaza to improve thier aqua systems, but the hamas made videos how to make homemade missiles form the pipes
@@lystein1070 no Israel controls everything in Gaza and allows just enough food so they don’t starve also no chocolate ..3-4 hours a day of electricity ..and this guy Friedman is staying at the times newspaper building taken away from a Palestine owner …
Israel has no obligations to support and supply anything to Gaza . Gaza is an independent! Israel gave them the land and let them run it but Hamas took all the money from everyone and build a terror army instead of taking care of their inhabitants they used them as human shields Gaza could have been a paradise
I am disappointed by Thomas Friedman whom I respect. He is citing all debunked IDF propaganda in this piece. His analyses remains sound but it is disheartening that he is an echo chamber for Netanyahu and the IDF
lol yea for a sec I thought he seemed legit and educated and next thing he says all propaganda and acted like he saw it .. and tried to push both sides b.s
Like the IDF propaganda about rape, beheading of babies - for which he has no evidence. He says the women captives still with Hamas had been assaulted and Hamas would not want to release them because of what they might say if released. That was a weak line - based on 'I had heard'. Heard from whom ? He cannot contact them, even IDF cannot contact them. Hence, he is peddling Israeli propaganda. He is a Jew after all.
Let us remember how abysmally wrong he was on Iraq. He was one of the cheerleaders for the war, writing rosy editorials for the NYT about how great it was all going to turn out.
@@seamusin1697 Its a bit disappointing to see someone 'definitely' in the know like Tom Friedman talking about "mass rape" on the October 7 attack. No rape was reported by freed prisoners during their imprisonment and no one escaping from October seven reported being raped. Evan Jo Biden alleged the beheading of children and later withdrew the lie
Israeli military has adopted medieval religious doctrine And at the same time, they demand to be treated As a “ democracy “ Obviously some has a dark sense of humour
Charlie, thanks for sharing such an amazing interview with an acclaimed writer, Thomas Friedman whose discourse is balanced and unbiased. He has dared to say the truth about what is happening in Gaza showing his constant principles and humanity. I highly think of him.🌹❤️
It's worse than that. It had several iterations of 40 page report and station chiefs reporting on border activities up to and beyond to October. Not just military assessment. Troops focused on West Bank as part of Netanyahu's policy to divide and conquer to ensure no Palestinian state.
The Palestinians have been offered a state repeatedly but their Arab neighbors decided they'd rather wait so that terrorism could do it's dastardly work. As usual, the Arabs and Palestinian Arabs miscalculated and now there is little support in Israel for a two-state solution. Why? Because groups like Hamas or the PLO always end up taking over Palestinian governance. In 1970, they even tried to take over Jordan and assassinated the Jordanian Prime Minister. A few years before a Palestinian assassinated Robert F. Kennedy. They are sick and deranged people and they were that way before the Jews arrived. Arab internecine wars and assassinations were common. The arrival of the Jews gave them something to hate in common.
The narrative from US politicians that the Zionist offered the Palestinians a peaceful two state solution settlement which was rejected by the Palestinians is basically a blatant lie. This attempt at a two state solution are tabled in the form of a UN resolution in the general assembly every year and accepted by majority countries except by the state of Israel, US and some Pacific island countries.
Why these guys from Hamas attacked Israel? It will be soooo much apreciated to get answer on that question from Mr. Friedman. Also , maybe Mr Friedman can enlighten us with his observation of close to 200 Palestinians killed in West Bank in 2023 , before October 7. Also , as a great journalists, Charlie and Thomas, can reflect on 700 000 Israeli settlers who occupied Palestinian land illegally. As a European and Catholic I would highly appreciate answers and reflection on everything from above.
Yes, he has an incredible insight and was an attorney or lawyer and many other things. I’m glad he’s being recognized in some fashion I watch a show from beginning to end every night for over a decade.
What was Hamas’ plan? Mr. Freidman, the plan is obvious. By now you should understand that terrorism is a particular type of war, and that the purpose of war, including terrorism, is to induce a decisive political result. I strongly suggest that you read (or re-read) the late David Fromkin’s July 1975 Foreign Affairs article (“The Strategy of Terrorism”, pp 683-698). That is as lucid an explanation of how terrorism produces a political outcome as I can find. This essay was included in Foreign Affairs’ 75th anniversary compendium of its most important and influential articles. The editors of Foreign Affairs obviously thought that this is an important and relevant article that should not be forgotten. Hamas’ 7 October 2023 terrorist attack was a classic terrorism trap and Binyamin Netanyahu foolishly drove Israel straight into that trap. Joe Biden did likewise for the United States. Both Israel and the United States are going to suffer greatly and lose stature for failing to recognize this obvious and avoidable trap.
Thomas Friedman knows Hebrew and Arabic, has a Master's degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Oxford, has been a bureau chief or Middle East correspondent for the New York Times since the Lebanon Civil War, and has won a National Book Award and two of his three Pulitzers for his coverage of the Middle East. I'm pretty sure he understands a thing or two about the motivations of Hamas and also of terrorists in general. E.g., note what he says at time mark (11:07). In any case, his question at (6:36), "What was [Hamas's] plan?", was a rhetorical one, rhetorical in that it's posed from the perspective of non-Hamas Gazans. Friedman's point is that Gazans, when given an opportunity to survey the damage wrought by Israel, will be, as most human beings in their situation would be, ambivalent at best but outraged more likely at the consequences of Hamas's actions on Oct. 7. Friedman's point is that Israel's strategy should be to sow division in Gaza's power structure and to empower moderates by taking Israel out of the Gaza spotlight and removing the unifying force of an external threat. As for America's involvement in Israel since Oct. 7, Yair Rosenberg of the The Atlantic has written an opinion piece that might interest you. It's dated December 15 and suggests that Biden's support for Israel, far from gung ho and gulled, has been qualified and tactical. The gist seems to be "The U.S. should keep its friends close, its enemies closer, and Israel closest of all." Right or wrong, the article is worth a look, I think.
@@declup I have been reading Mr. Freidman’s OpEds in the New York Times for 26 years. I even read a few of his books and watched him on Charlie Rose’s PBS programs. I used to think that he knew what he was talking about, but it has become painfully obvious that he does not. If the Palestinians wanted to get rid of Hamas, they would have done so a long time ago. All they had to do was rat them out to the Mossad and Bibi would have taken care of the rest. But the Palestinians support Hamas and will continue to support Hamas no matter what happens because Hamas is the only political entity that is still vigorously fighting for the Palestinian cause. The Palestinians will NEVER abandon Hamas because there is no better alternative and the Israeli government refuses to give them any hope. After Arafat died, the Israelis co-opted Fatah and the PLO such that those two have become Israel’s capo and are totally discredited. Mahmoud Abbas is an Israeli stooge. Neither the PLO nor Fatah will rule the Palestinians EVER again. Mr. Freidman doesn’t understand that. Hamas’ “plan” was to get the Netanyahu government to abominably and odiously over-react to their 7 October attack such that global public opinion would universally and permanently turn against Israel. More specifically, Hamas sought to demonstrate unequivocally to the entire world that Israel is no longer the social democratic state that it once was in the 1970s: Israel is now a racist, apartheid state with the Palestinian Arabs relegated to a permanent underclass to be openly exploited, despised and dispossessed by the Jewish ruling class. It would appear that Hamas’ plan has wildly succeeded. Again, Mr. Freidman does not seem to grasp that important fact. (Actually I suspect that Bibi was looking for an excuse to ethnically cleanse Palestine because if he solves the “Palestinian problem”, his political and legal problems would vanish instantly.) Furthermore, everyone (except Mr. Freidman) knows that if Israel is allowed to continue, it will attempt to conquer southern Lebanon in order to gain control over the vast water resources of the Litani River. At best, this will result in a regional war with Israel getting destroyed by Hizbullah, Iran, Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. If the US attacks Iran, then Russia and China will enter the war to preserve their access to Middle Eastern energy resources and commercial shipping transit (i.e. Belt and Road initiative) via the Suez canal. Again, Mr. Freidman doesn’t seem to understand that. For Israel, this war is not about Hamas or even revenge: It is about expelling and/or exterminating all remaining Palestinians from “Greater Israel.” Unfortunately, it also would mean World War 3.
@@declupI admit I read your comment before listening to this full discussion … but … I wanted to make the point that knowledge does not equal insight . TF and the writer you cited from The Atlantic may be well versed in the political vocabulary of the region , but that does not mean their moral compass is pointing true . I have never read a piece of writing relating to Israel in The Atlantic that is not written from a Zionist first perspective . It is possible to build convincing intellectual frameworks over all sorts of emotional foundations . The emotions come first and The developed intellect justifies them . Back to giving TF a chance , though …
@@declupYour "gist" is just that & a wrong assumption predicated on that old "friend-enemy" construct. The current context is of the Obama-Biden administration's view as to how to best deal with/control Netanyahu. Obama was for relegating Bibi to an obviously chilly place, while Biden's approach is that of keeping him closer.
@@JP51ism -- Closeness, not as a sign of allyship, JP, but as a way to get/keep tactical leverage. The article by Yair Rosenberg is titled "Biden's Smart Strategy for Outmaneuvering Bibi", and is, by the way, Rosenberg's expression of his opinion, not mine of mine.
Yes, I have been wondering if CR would find a place given this vast internet/social media world we live in. His personal decisions cost him a prestigious program, a program that contributed to the public discourse in important ways. Mr. Rose has paid a price for his choices. He was publicly shamed and punished. That seems to be a cost that Americans wanted to see. It is however, part of the Christian ethic to allow a person to be forgiven and to contribute to society. We are not living in a Puritan nation. Frankly, the Founding Fathers rejected the Puritan ways and values, finding them too narrow, even draconian in instances. There is no need to live as Puritans. We are a nation that moves forward. We are a nation that progresses. It is therefore, good to see Mr. Rose is moving forward. This conversation with Thomas Friedman is emblematic of the contribution Mr. Rose can make. These are unsetting times; on both the domestic front and on the international stage. The knowledge base, extensive network, and interview skills that Mr. Rose brings to the public is of value.
Agree that he should be forgiven and contrubute, but given our complicity in this genocide and the wars of choice leading to atrocities in Iraq and ukraine and afganistan we are NOT a nation that progresses, rather led like sheep by politician whores paid by military industrial Complex and AIPAC when mideast involved.
I agree with many things Mr Friedman says and writes, especially on Israel and Palestine. However, he does not realize how much the hegemonial shift has already progressed. The US is not the indispensible nation anymore, as much as I myself wished it would still be the case. If the US and the west does not realize this and starts to compromise, also ideologically, in order to keep their status and influence, they will go down the hard way. We have seen this in history over and over again in the rise and fall of great powers. So often they fall deep, and pull the whole world into desaster, because they don't realize soon enough that they are not as powerful anymore as they thought they are.
What a fantastic commentary. Mr. Friedman gives us years of experience, keen observation, and thoughtfulness all put together. And thanks to Mr. Rose for hosting and guiding the discussion with his on-point questions. This is the best thing I've heard politically in months.
According to the Genocide Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition of the crime of genocide, as set out in the Convention, has been widely adopted at both national and international levels, including in the 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Learn more about the definition of the crime of genocide. Importantly, the Convention establishes on State Parties the obligation to take measures to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide, including by enacting relevant legislation and punishing perpetrators, “whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals” (Article IV). That obligation, in addition to the prohibition not to commit genocide, have been considered as norms of international customary law and therefore, binding on all States, whether or not they have ratified the Genocide Convention.
So who's preventing Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran from committing genocide against the Jewish people? Where is the Genocide Convention when it's the Jews who need to be protected from Genocide? or does it only apply to non-Jews?
Must be denied, no need look. No occupation I ask? No aparthied if walls and No equal rights for them? Killing others does not need the International Court. No veto? OK. Not occurring. Maybe the murder of civilians, defenseless humans is not war. Sad if some deny anything but their own rights to dominate, humiliate? Your state terror?
Friedman’s scenario isn’t convincing. Says Sindwar will be stuck with rebuilding. I don’t believe it. The international guilt trip will launch into action as always. UN, EU, even US will be pressured to “relieve the suffering” and blame will be forgotten.
Does capacity to relieve the suffering exist? I mean, to an extent commensurate with the suffering inflicted? No number of billions of dollars can bring back the lives of lost loved ones.
Interesting and ironic that Charlie emerges from the ruins of the MeToo mess he loss his job to without a fair trial to say nothing about the way 10/7 exposed the sham of the MeToo movement. How dare these two intellects completely miss the opportunity to face that elephant in the room that crushed Charlie’s career.
It is so very important to amplify that Israel declared War partly because Hamas almost captured an air base, partly because Hezbollah did try attacking from the north on october 7 and partly because Hamas livestreamed what they did to those young women .. This time was an official declaration of war and i dont think people really appreciate what that means. It is because Hamas forces civilians to stay innocent people died. Israeli soldiers should not carry this burden. It is Hamas who has their blood on their hands.
Why has no one asked the question "Why Did This Happen? " How long can a people exist; before they are allowed to be free? Also why is everything about the merchants?
@@silver3149Because the Israeli merchants seek to form a coalition AGAINST Netanyahu! They have been and are RIGHT NOW in the streets protesting Netanyahu's GOVERNMENT!
Who are you, mr. Friedman? Who are your ancestors, and ancestors of these ancestors? Where are they from? Are they refugees or colonizers? The entire history of mankind is a history of colonization. The history of Middle East is a history of permanent genocide as well as the history of the United States and the Russian Empire. You need to see a wider historical perspective, not narrowed to the ‘point of view’.
You got me until you started talking unproven rape & Israeli propaganda. You clearly on Israel side by how you represent Israel more positively. You forgot to mention the fact a lot killed were killed by Israel!
Yes, you are right nobody won this war. In general, I believe nobody wins a war in modern history. The two people must sit down and think about the future of their children and think what happened and the madness of both extremism. They can live peace and harmony without violence if they want to.
@@natehavs.4568 Netanyahu & Likub Party aren't for a Palestinian state. Around 43:06 listen to the comparison of Netanyahu and Trump, both being dividers rather than uniters.
@@pt68picaso even the biggest peace loving people need to cope with reality. You can’t want a Palestinian state when the mainstream narrative of the entire majority want to massacre you.
Mr. Friedmans paints a logical picture and sensible approach at first blush. But the approach of withdrawing to see how the Gazans react to Hamas is a a highly speculative gamble given that Hamas has all the guns and controls the government. It’s a particularly risky gamble for Israelis given that Gaza is on their border and Hamas has vowed to continue the attacks whenever it can. If Mr. Friedman’s children lived on a Kibbutz bordering Gaza, would he suggest this? After 100 years of Arab attacks on Jews in Israel and multiple rejections of a 2 state solution by the Arabs in the area, maybe it’s time to recognize that it is not possible unless and until the Palestinians no longer hate Jews. But from their actions, it appears to be in their DNA. So maybe the right wing Israelis are right, that the best solution is to expel their sworn enemies from Gaza and the West Bank? 100+ years of Palestinian Arab attacks on Israel and rejection of multiple offers of 2 states including the Peel Commission recommendation of 80% of the land for the Arabs and 20% for the Jews certainly supports this conclusion. As for World opinion and pressure, once the result is accomplished, likely the world will quickly forget like it has with Assad killing 500,000 Syrian Muslims in his own country. The rest of the Arab states are now normalizing relations with Assad. The rest of the world is doing nothing. Russia is bombing civilian targets in Ukraine. Where is the condemnation? Much of the non Western world including India has not missed a beat in continuing to trade with Russia. If I’m living in Israel now, there is no way I am going to allow a militarily independent Palestinian state on my border now or until the Palestinians somehow convince me, not Thomas Friedman, that they no longer hate us.
What utter nonsense. Sure Israel has a right to exist. But they have been brutally occupying Palestinians for decades. Of course terrorism is not justified but Israel has been a brutal occupier that has killed hundreds of Palestinians during the course of its occupation. Now they are trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Because they are finally being called out on it, it has upset people.
Charlie Rose....Missed you. The only interview show I ever looked forward to. Thomas Friedman...thanks for your very important and directional insights. I hope someone will listen. But I"m pessimistic. 2 groups of people with opposite visions and no ears at all. Who's going to fix that?
A little honesty would be greatly appreciated. Specifically, could Thomas Friedman please admit that, as a Jew, he wholeheartedly supports Israel? Thank you 🙏. And you’re welcome 😉
When will Thomas Friedman retire? I thought Charlie Rose was shamed out of the interview business because of his sexual harassment. These dinosaurs refuse to go.
He’s absolutely wrong. This war did not lose. This generation. This generation was born and raised by card-carrying members of the Islamist war cry, masquerading as free Palestine. We did not lose them because of this war they were already lost 25 years ago in college campuses, nonstop chanting began, and it has spread to every small grassroots organization across the west, every college campus, and high schools because high school students love to fight and be rough and tough …here you go on a platter, your new cuz. The American family, church, and even the football teams have corroded, kids have nothing to do except become radicalized.
It’s so good to see you. I miss your show on PBS. I made a point not to get into your personal controversy. I think you need to be on TH-cam. Mind you, I am not a democrat and often I viewed your backing as wrong. You should never have been going to ABC or whatever the hell these people are. Your show on PBS is what you should rebuild on your own. You don’t need PBS, now-days you can be your own distributor of content and your interviews were extraordinary of quality. You owe me that. Get back in the game, enough listening to the bullshit of the left. There are independents like me that give an ear to both sides.
Are we forgetting that Thomas is well known to have said that if "only" Palestinians could use peaceful resistance by marching to israel, they would be met by young Israelis with flowers who support them? Here is the answer:Palestinians did exactly that and the results were a violent repression by israel where Palestinians were shot and killed and some were shot on the knees by Israeli soldiers. Talk about peaceful resistance!!! Thomas was a total let down in this interview but a bigger disappointment was Charlie's indifference to his nitpicking only highlighting actions where Israeli failures could be countered by HAMAS failures and really glossing over grave misconduct by israel where israel has no counter for it's many unmatched violations. For example Thomas talks about HAMAS violating a ceasefire which existed but he somehow forgets that israel had killed over 150 Palestinians pre 10/7, and settler violence had increased as well as settlement expansions, now, how is that upholding a ceasefire? Thomas ran a soft on israel narrative and totally ignoring the fact that israel is beyond a rogue state, israel would be the most sanctioned entity in the world because of it's actions, israel has a human rights abuses track record that makes North Korea look like a model state. Or maybe Thomas should have just declared that he has a bias for israel instead of camouflaging his biases and prejudices by depriving key grave unmatched Israeli violations. Personally I think that israel is playing a key role in the diminishment of American power and prestige in the world. The American public is sick and tired of foreign wars and it is really trying to avoid unnecessary wars but then you have a situation where israel is dragging America and abusing American power and prestige to get involved in conflicts that have persisted longer than they should due to israel's bad faith approach where they pay lip-service in conflict resolution negotiations with no intent for a peaceful settlement. You find that in those peace talks israel is either dragging it's feet to buy more time to get favourable conditions that would allow israel to isolate the Palestinians without actually solving the issue of the 700000 Palestinians that were expelled from their land and remain displaced. Both Charlie and Thomas being journalists should have really highlighted the fact that israel has killed more journalists than in any conflict and has hindered journalistic access so that there's transparent reporting!!
Excellent comment . I agree . I clicked on this because 30 years ago these two guys seemed bright and insightful . Their time has passed . And I want to stress it is not inherent in aging - there are people who keep learning and adapting . No these two .
Charly, why don't you come out from the past and at least try to inform your audience balanced. I assume you read John Mearsheimers 2007 book that should indicate what facts to verify instead of repeating the loop of disputed lies.
He's repeating the Mass Rape lie. It's so annoying. If someone starts with such a flagrant lie, it's hard to believe in their objectivity on this subject.
What a thoughtful, grown-up, discussion of some of the world's most difficult questions and problems we are experiencing. So many times I find myself as an ordinary, concerned human almost shouting - "YES, YES, YES!" I also remember so many interviews Charlie gave in earlier, less crazy times, which enhanced my life, interests, and thoughts. One less hopeful thought of the ME - for decades, as long as I remember, I have been distressed at the Arab street dancing, demonstrating about every atrocity against all Westerners - not just Jews, Americans, Brits. Decades before 9/11. I hope they are a minority, but, like most MAGAs they are many, noisy, nasty, and affect us all.
Second question: 20% of Israelis are Palestinians. They do not have fully equal rights, but they are living peacefully alongside Israeli Jews. So again, why can't this arrangement be expanded to include the West Bank and Gaza? Obviously it would require time to formulate and a process of reconciliation like what South Africa used to dismantle their apartheid system.
Charlie so happy you are back 🎉I truly missed your show. No one has replaced it although Amanpour is good. Happy I just found this site. Hello from Tucson!
He’s wrong about Palestinians turning on Hamas leader. Israel will always and should be the villain in their hearts. He’s thinking the, “we’ll be greeted as liberators” Western theory.
Big disappointment in Charlie Rose viewpoint. The total lack of sympathytoward Israel and the siffering their civilian had to go thtough the murders of infantd the rape of women, the execution of disanled and elderly people. I eill never again listen zo anything he says
Good coversation but the limitation is the failure to recognise colonial geopolitical decision by both european powers and the US creating the instabilities today.
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Charlie Rose and Thomas Friedman - truly, truly, truly the two best people, in the world, to understand the multi-facets, and tremendous number of nuisances, in our world!
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And in a truly balanced, and center-thrusted, manner!
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I could listen to Charlie and Thomas talk for hours! For hours!
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I love these guys!
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If only the leaders in our world - elected; governmental; business; educational; and non-profit - would earnestly and meaningfully listen to their wisdom; breadth; comprehensiveness; and yet detailed analysis and assessments!
They (Friedman, Blinken and gong) kept lieing about rape. They knows that those are untrue yet kept repeating.😮😮
It’s all on video as Hamas thugs gleefully livestream everything
Nonsense! Sober up or keep quiet;
@@gandorr10 Pope Francis has strongly criticized attacks on civilians in Gaza, labeling them as both war and terrorism.
@@User-r476 The Pope did not condemned Putin, Russia, Venezuelan Maduro, Nicaragua, Cuba and the list is big. The Pope's words has no meaning, Francisco is a politician, and I as an Argentine can tell you that most of Argentinean population as well as most of Latin American countries hates the Pope for being hypocrite and communist.
Why don't you watch the Hamas Go Pro videos that they filmed of the rapes. Then maybe you will realize how wrong you are.
Lies, lies and more lies which have been already disproved in Haaretz
Freidman at least pretends to provide some balance.
The best propagandist for Zionist Israeli crimes to be just ,since they are convinced they are the CHOSEN People ? This is the man that all Zionist American Jews love .
Absolute tosh.
When did Friedman witness the mass rapes?
NO. Friedman is reporting EXACTLY the same that HAARETZ IS REPORTING
Glad to hear from you Mr. Rose. I missed the intellectual discourse and the excellent guests you had on your shows. Glad you are back doing what you do best.
Friedman has lost it as a journalist believes in propaganda has no idea and never has the true point of Israel’s lies of 2 state for 75 years with help of the USA .this man is as bad as the leadership of Israel that has known to lie to everyone of its friend .. this man a truly o nothing except get all his information from the IDF and knows less of reality
Bloviating and not letting his guests talk?
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@@tarnopolNot sure your criticisms are valid with respect to this particular interview since Rose gives Friedman a good deal of time and space to express his thoughts, opinions, ideas, and insights on the topics they cover. Overall, I think Rose, personal foibles and moral shortcomings aside, did solid work on his former show on PBS even if he could , at times, be verbose. He is still better than a lot of journalists who do not probe their guests and ask questions in the informed manner that he does.
I don’t know what Friedman is talking about, a ceasefire on or before October 7th, because inside of this Apartheid State of Israel, more Palestinians had been killed in the West Bank than any other year of the occupation, so I don’t know WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, but I had tweeted, ‘Why REVENGE’ the week before October 7th. Because the word REVENGE had been scrawled on a Palestinian home that settlers had destroyed in the West Bank, just within a week before OCT 7th.
How many Jews have been killed by suicide bombers in the last 50 years? You forgot that part.
Friedman is a dual citizen and a settler (owns property in Israel) so his blindspot re The Occupation is willful ignorance. Nowhere did he admit the IDF has been shooting their own people according to the Napoleon directive. Charlie Rose's gentle line of questioning rather anemic with no hard questions (regional instability, 2000 lbs dropped on civilians, ethnic cleansing, UNSC allegations).
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
th-cam.com/video/ZIMfc1y59mM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V
Let’s get back to this conversation in 4-6 weeks.., then re-assess
@@wallygator369 When you call down fire and brimstone,
You better be ready for fire and brimstone.
War is war.
10% blue on blue casualties are the norm. Especially among human shields.
Thomas skipped the egregiously brutal occupation and all international law protecting civilians -- including the Fourth Geneva Convention, the UN Charter, The U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and more. One of many key aspects included in the above is the legal right of the Palestinians to resist, even violently, Israel's horrific occupation. Tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of babies, blown to bits or buried alive by hundreds of U.S. 2,000-pound bombs doesn't seem to bother him much, if at all. He acts like this is a war and not a textbook case of genocide.
You start out by saying that the Palestinians have suffered an "egregiously brutal
occupation. Where is the evidence? and what are your sources? Hamas, the corrupt PLO or Islamic Jihad? Don't be mentally lazy and try to get your information from both
sides before you make up your mind. BBC,Al Jazeera, MSNBC etc. are not impartial,
credible sources of information.
Yes Thomas is clueless about history, I say we go with your genius narrations, especially the denial of rape and murder.
And you’re ignoring the Arab invasion of the Levant and the subsequent brutal colonization and multiple genocides of the indigenous civilizations in the area under repressive Islamic Arab/Turkish collapse rule.
The indigenous ppl of Judea fought back.
You want to talk about history, let’s talk about all of it.
Robert the next target of the islamists is you, wherever you live US or Europe, you do not understand about the conflict. Hamas and Iran are the absolute responsible for the death of the Palestinian population. And also the numbers are absolutely wrong and are not the propaganda you absorb, only Shifa hospital they claimed 500 and were a couple of dozens, so do math and your numbers are not realistic at all, maybe 5% or at maximum 10%.
Israel is the worst genocidal state because the population of Gaza only grows, so I do not understand what text are you reading, maybe Tik Tok texts.
Thomas seems to be the one denying rape committed by Israel police and IDF against Palestinians. Maybe you deny it too. @@DDBb993
As the Russia proverb says: my ears have wilted listening to these two
Russian Bot .
@@robaustin3013please come up with some better snark if you don’t like what you hear .
is this guy STILL talking about mass rapes?
Yes, AKA reality.
Why is it that all these so called experts of the area ignore the fact that Israel is an occupying force and when the occupied rise up against them it is a legitimate act.
"Rising up" is a pair of words. Specific actions, though, are specific actions.
Which specific actions, specifically, are Palestinians justified in doing in order to improve their economic, political, and religious situation?
Are they justified in protesting in front of embassies? Are they justified in organizing international boycotts of Israeli products? Are they justified in killing Israeli soldiers? Are they justified in taking Israeli soldiers prisoner? Are they justified in killing Israeli civilians? Are they justified in raping? Are they justified in kidnapping Israeli children?
Is any action prohibited? Or is nothing, _nothing at all_ , no matter how brutal, too contemptible if the cause is Palestinian freedom?
What happened on October 7th was not a legitimate act, and if you disagree then you are subhuman and outside the moral community
As a british- israeli citizen, i must attest that the last thing the majority of the country want is to occupy anything, we dont want to be scared to be killed when we are a bus stop, by missiles and have to send our sons to war. please read history from a neutreal scource and enlighten yourself
@@Swarming1020how much more subhuman are you for faling to call out Israrls genocide.
occupation ended in 2005 in gaza, hamas was elected in 2006, blockade started in 2007
No mention of the occupation yet .
If you’re Palestinian and you’re arrested, unlike if you’re Israeli (in which case you face a civil court, and two Americans have been killed, plus the USS Liberty which was attacked by Israel) Rachel Corrie was run over by a bulldozer and Shareen Abu Akleh was shot by the IDF, but if you’re Palestinian you face a Military Court. If Palestinian, you can be held without charge for years and years, and they simply don’t level charges, they simply sentence you to judicial imprisonment in six months time allocations, which are legal under the Occupation. Now they’re stripping men and boys, and we can see the wounds on their hands, from the plastic restraints, and they’re tortured. 20,000 killed vs 1200 killed, and google search each year that GAZA faced slaughter. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
One of the most amazing things about this war is that while Arab governments are hoping Israel wins this war American leftists want them to lose it. Really makes me think about the recent statements made by the UAE’s foreign minister in which he was pleading with westerners to stop thinking they understand Islamic terrorists better than those living in the Middle East do. In terms of the Palestinians, what you’re calling for would GUARANTEE that many more generations of Palestinians would needlessly suffer. Hamas has billions upon billions. They deliberately force their people into abject poverty with the only pathway to escape it is by killing people on behalf of Hamas. If at the end of this Hamas still governs in Gaza then nobody is going to help rebuild and security measures will tighten. Israel and Egypt will have the support of 90% of the world in this endeavor. The fact that this reality is obvious to any semi-intelligent person whose spent time objectively trying to understand this conflict tells me that you really just hate the Israelis and don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians. Otherwise, you would speak out on the “Jim Crow” type laws that Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan suffer under as well as the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of them in Syria. You didn’t though. You’re just blindly blaming Israel for everything with absolutely no concern for the fact that if you get what you want in this conflict the citizens of Gaza will suffer like they never have before and that suffering will never end because you insist Hamas be able to remain in power. I’m convinced that if people like you weren’t so vocal this conflict would’ve ended decades ago and am absolutely positive that infinitely fewer people on both sides would be killed. Yet, here you are advocating for the same lunacy that hasn’t worked at any point in the last 80 fucking years. At some point it’d be fantastic if you lot started thinking logically instead of being governed entirely by blind emotion. You ideas don’t work. Your ideas consistently make the situation worse. Humble yourself and embrace reality.
Isnt that the difference between being a Palestinian and an Israeli Arab? The Israeli Arabs have a political party and a voice in Israel. Maybe you should think about the road your Palestinian leadership has lead you down?
Do you know how many ISRAELIS are in solitary confinement and being held for years without a trial in Israel right now?
No I think Israel has caused this.
Oh I'm sure that none of their situation came from being under brutal Israeli occupation, persecution for several decades. I'm sure it's all the fault of the victims, most of who are children. But go off, professor!@@lisadiane10001
Oh my God how short fish memory is
Both of the gentlemen forgot the West Bank Israel killing of honest civilians and forgot the endless settlements at occupied lands and evecting palastienans from their homes. All took place before Oct 7 2023.
Thank you for giving me the chance to respond..
Your bot training proceeds well.
Friedman is well aware of all of it
Yeah, sure. Like that's been the whole cause of Jew hate. Gee whiz there's never been any Jew hate before "the settlements". And if the Jews would just leave those settlements, then the world will just give them a big hug and tell them how much they love them. Just look at how much Hamas showed their love and appreciation when Israel self-ethnically-cleansed 8,000 Jews out of Gaza in 2005.
Man does Friedman engage in some wishful thinking on so many fronts. Like Hamas will just give up the hostages for an Israeli offered ceasefire. Like they would just walk away from Gaza and let an international-led supervisory coalition to take control. Like one day Sinwar will be raised on shoulders victorious and the next day there would be a reckoning against him?
Yeah, Tom Friedman stayed before 7/10, and all his comments are obsolete and very naïve.
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
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You described his narrative so well
With Friedman for a friend who needs Hamas as an enemy?
@@globaldefenseorg a further thought : therentcollector.blogspot.com/2024/01/moral-clarity-part-18-dumb-war.html?m=1
Thomas never speaks about Israel's brutal occupation, he just skips that.
It’s neither brutal nor an occupation. Palestinians chose their situation after many state offers
@@bdadolphDid you ever offered to give them their territory back and take your arrogance with you?
No kidding. Palestiniens didn't choose this. Grow up
They voted in HAMASS. They chose it
In May of 1948 when the state of Israel came into existence the UN also gave the Palestinians an opportunity to form their own state. Rather than form their own state.
they decided to join Jordan.Syria and Egypt in a brutal war against the newly created state of Israel with the goal to destroy and kill all Jews in this new state.The Arabs failed and were soundly defeated in their murderous venture and now they play the role
of innocent victims of Israel.
I think there will be other questions for Israel too...where are my dead children? Hamas is half of the worst...but did Israel really have to bomb ad infinitum, starve the populace, bomb water and sewage systems, shoot youth on the streets even while laughing, open fire into apartments full of women and children? I have loved listening to youth both for years, but the reaction to the October 7th atrocities has been wildly an overkill and it's questionable how much has been aimed at Hamas. Also, consider 100 journalist killed, may of them contacted and targeted by the IDF. Nentanyahu and his administration bear responsibility for taking this war so very, very far.
Yes. The Arabs made them do it.
@@dpeatebc7265 They had no choice to go so far...to annihilate? Retaliation is one thing; annihilation is another. The latter includes over 20,000, the majority of whom are women and children who have nothing to do with Hamas. Human beings are expected to have some sense of proportion and morality.
Every death is the fault of Hamas. Civilians were used as shields.
If you can believe those obvious Palestinian lies then you need to become more thoughtful and skeptical about obvious propaganda claims.
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
th-cam.com/video/ZIMfc1y59mM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V
Why Hamas attacked Israel 🇮🇱 is still a mystery apparently!
Really? 70odd years of oppression, maybe?
Let’s get back to this conversation in 4-6 weeks
Inside job. 🦧 Good reason 😉
Never been a mistery. Israel had full knowledge of it and did nothing. Also… resistance to an occupation and attempt to seal prisoners for hostages. It’s not that complicated, Israel brought this in to themselves and now for sure they are never gonna be safe. 😢
Did Israel attack themselves? To place the blame on HAMAS? It sounds on the surface, preposterous. But, with Mr. N. who knows? We're back to where we started.. Go figure the Middle East....
Incredible to hear Mr.Rose again! He is needed!
Houthis are not in HOUTHILAND, they are the soldiers of Yemen, and it’s too racist to hear.
Palestinians have nothing to lose, but Israelis do
Israelis have nothing to lose, but Palestinians do
Just their lives
One of the most interesting interviews I've seen about the Israeli/Hamas war. Thomas Friedman has such a wealth of knowledge and explains everything so clearly. And Charlie Rose asks good questions and then does actually listen, which is a refreshing difference from many other interviewers.
Agree
I listen to this video this morning at 10:56 and it is so great to hear again Charlie roses, incisive, questioning, and Thomas freeze Friedman's incisive answers. Just wonderful.
Yeah, I love Thomas Friedman. I learn a lot from him. I'm not sure I have the same optimism he has but I share his concerns should things go in a bad direction. Dear God, everyone, vote Biden for president, if only to keep Trump out of the White House! I miss Charlie Rose. I realize he got himself in trouble with unacceptable behavior. I'm glad these things came to the surface but still grateful he was able to interview Mr. Friedman.
Give Charlie his table back
Nope. He deserves the Silence of the Grave. 😅 Seriously, he should retire and fade away quietly.
Hear hear!
He can get a new table if he wants it. It can even be portable so he can go to them. Real journalists needed in the u.s.
Thanks for this interview. It's great to see Charlie Rose back.
How many Aid Trucks trucks got through during the PAUSE…? Also, how did Israel turn off the water and food and fuel to Gaza?
actually prior to oct 7th Israel controlled 10% of the water and fuel of Gaza, ther rest was controlled by hamas. Apparantly Germany donated 100 million euro worth of pipes to Gaza to improve thier aqua systems, but the hamas made videos how to make homemade missiles form the pipes
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@@lystein1070 no Israel controls everything in Gaza and allows just enough food so they don’t starve also no chocolate ..3-4 hours a day of electricity ..and this guy Friedman is staying at the times newspaper building taken away from a Palestine owner …
Israel has no obligations to support and supply anything to Gaza . Gaza is an independent!
Israel gave them the land and let them run it but Hamas took all the money from everyone and build a terror army instead of taking care of their inhabitants they used them as human shields Gaza could have been a paradise
I am disappointed by Thomas Friedman whom I respect. He is citing all debunked IDF propaganda in this piece. His analyses remains sound but it is disheartening that he is an echo chamber for Netanyahu and the IDF
lol yea for a sec I thought he seemed legit and educated and next thing he says all propaganda and acted like he saw it .. and tried to push both sides b.s
Like the IDF propaganda about rape, beheading of babies - for which he has no evidence.
He says the women captives still with Hamas had been assaulted and Hamas would not want to release them because of what they might say if released. That was a weak line - based on 'I had heard'. Heard from whom ? He cannot contact them, even IDF cannot contact them. Hence, he is peddling Israeli propaganda. He is a Jew after all.
Let us remember how abysmally wrong he was on Iraq. He was one of the cheerleaders for the war, writing rosy editorials
for the NYT about how great it was all going to turn out.
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
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Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
th-cam.com/video/ZIMfc1y59mM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V
So happy to listen to Charlie Rose’s clever questions.
Disappointed in Tom Friedman.
Why? What specifically disappoints you about him?
@@seamusin1697 Recent events have made him lose his most valued asset ; his detachment and clear vision.
@@MKTElM In what way? You are being vague.
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Its a bit disappointing to see someone 'definitely' in the know like Tom Friedman talking about "mass rape" on the October 7 attack. No rape was reported by freed prisoners during their imprisonment and no one escaping from October seven reported being raped. Evan Jo Biden alleged the beheading of children and later withdrew the lie
Apartheid is losing support
Israeli military has adopted medieval religious doctrine
And at the same time, they demand to be treated
As a “ democracy “ Obviously some has a dark sense of humour
God has a really wicked sense of humor.
Exactly. Thank you for your response ❤
Medieval???? Read the gruesome details of the torture and dismemberment of the 1400 Israeli mostly young people
When you call down fire and brimstone,
You better be ready for fire and brimstone.
War is war
Charlie, thanks for sharing such an amazing interview with an acclaimed writer, Thomas Friedman whose discourse is balanced and unbiased.
He has dared to say the truth about what is happening in Gaza showing his constant principles and humanity.
I highly think of him.🌹❤️
It's worse than that. It had several iterations of 40 page report and station chiefs reporting on border activities up to and beyond to October. Not just military assessment. Troops focused on West Bank as part of Netanyahu's policy to divide and conquer to ensure no Palestinian state.
The Palestinians have been offered a state repeatedly but their Arab neighbors decided they'd rather wait so that terrorism could do it's dastardly work. As usual, the Arabs and Palestinian Arabs miscalculated and now there is little support in Israel for a two-state solution. Why? Because groups like Hamas or the PLO always end up taking over Palestinian governance. In 1970, they even tried to take over Jordan and assassinated the Jordanian Prime Minister. A few years before a Palestinian assassinated Robert F. Kennedy. They are sick and deranged people and they were that way before the Jews arrived. Arab internecine wars and assassinations were common. The arrival of the Jews gave them something to hate in common.
Such ignorant crap! West Bank Palestinians are 85% Hamas supporters shooting at
police and the IDF.
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
th-cam.com/video/ZIMfc1y59mM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V
The narrative from US politicians that the Zionist offered the Palestinians a peaceful two state solution settlement which was rejected by the Palestinians is basically a blatant lie. This attempt at a two state solution are tabled in the form of a UN resolution in the general assembly every year and accepted by majority countries except by the state of Israel, US and some Pacific island countries.
YAHOO IS A POISON PILL FOR HIS COUNTRY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN
Why these guys from Hamas attacked Israel? It will be soooo much apreciated to get answer on that question from Mr. Friedman. Also , maybe Mr Friedman can enlighten us with his observation of close to 200 Palestinians killed in West Bank in 2023 , before October 7. Also , as a great journalists, Charlie and Thomas, can reflect on 700 000 Israeli settlers who occupied Palestinian land illegally. As a European and Catholic I would highly appreciate answers and reflection on everything from above.
And the settlements ? Living in denial this two !
You don't get it. Tel Aviv is a settlement.
Against any kind of Aran settlements on Israel's land.
Yes, he has an incredible insight and was an attorney or lawyer and many other things. I’m glad he’s being recognized in some fashion I watch a show from beginning to end every night for over a decade.
who's winning is a stupid question
What was Hamas’ plan?
Mr. Freidman, the plan is obvious. By now you should understand that terrorism is a particular type of war, and that the purpose of war, including terrorism, is to induce a decisive political result.
I strongly suggest that you read (or re-read) the late David Fromkin’s July 1975 Foreign Affairs article (“The Strategy of Terrorism”, pp 683-698). That is as lucid an explanation of how terrorism produces a political outcome as I can find. This essay was included in Foreign Affairs’ 75th anniversary compendium of its most important and influential articles. The editors of Foreign Affairs obviously thought that this is an important and relevant article that should not be forgotten.
Hamas’ 7 October 2023 terrorist attack was a classic terrorism trap and Binyamin Netanyahu foolishly drove Israel straight into that trap. Joe Biden did likewise for the United States. Both Israel and the United States are going to suffer greatly and lose stature for failing to recognize this obvious and avoidable trap.
Thomas Friedman knows Hebrew and Arabic, has a Master's degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Oxford, has been a bureau chief or Middle East correspondent for the New York Times since the Lebanon Civil War, and has won a National Book Award and two of his three Pulitzers for his coverage of the Middle East. I'm pretty sure he understands a thing or two about the motivations of Hamas and also of terrorists in general. E.g., note what he says at time mark (11:07).
In any case, his question at (6:36), "What was [Hamas's] plan?", was a rhetorical one, rhetorical in that it's posed from the perspective of non-Hamas Gazans. Friedman's point is that Gazans, when given an opportunity to survey the damage wrought by Israel, will be, as most human beings in their situation would be, ambivalent at best but outraged more likely at the consequences of Hamas's actions on Oct. 7. Friedman's point is that Israel's strategy should be to sow division in Gaza's power structure and to empower moderates by taking Israel out of the Gaza spotlight and removing the unifying force of an external threat.
As for America's involvement in Israel since Oct. 7, Yair Rosenberg of the The Atlantic has written an opinion piece that might interest you. It's dated December 15 and suggests that Biden's support for Israel, far from gung ho and gulled, has been qualified and tactical. The gist seems to be "The U.S. should keep its friends close, its enemies closer, and Israel closest of all." Right or wrong, the article is worth a look, I think.
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I have been reading Mr. Freidman’s OpEds in the New York Times for 26 years. I even read a few of his books and watched him on Charlie Rose’s PBS programs. I used to think that he knew what he was talking about, but it has become painfully obvious that he does not.
If the Palestinians wanted to get rid of Hamas, they would have done so a long time ago. All they had to do was rat them out to the Mossad and Bibi would have taken care of the rest. But the Palestinians support Hamas and will continue to support Hamas no matter what happens because Hamas is the only political entity that is still vigorously fighting for the Palestinian cause. The Palestinians will NEVER abandon Hamas because there is no better alternative and the Israeli government refuses to give them any hope.
After Arafat died, the Israelis co-opted Fatah and the PLO such that those two have become Israel’s capo and are totally discredited. Mahmoud Abbas is an Israeli stooge. Neither the PLO nor Fatah will rule the Palestinians EVER again. Mr. Freidman doesn’t understand that.
Hamas’ “plan” was to get the Netanyahu government to abominably and odiously over-react to their 7 October attack such that global public opinion would universally and permanently turn against Israel. More specifically, Hamas sought to demonstrate unequivocally to the entire world that Israel is no longer the social democratic state that it once was in the 1970s: Israel is now a racist, apartheid state with the Palestinian Arabs relegated to a permanent underclass to be openly exploited, despised and dispossessed by the Jewish ruling class. It would appear that Hamas’ plan has wildly succeeded. Again, Mr. Freidman does not seem to grasp that important fact.
(Actually I suspect that Bibi was looking for an excuse to ethnically cleanse Palestine because if he solves the “Palestinian problem”, his political and legal problems would vanish instantly.)
Furthermore, everyone (except Mr. Freidman) knows that if Israel is allowed to continue, it will attempt to conquer southern Lebanon in order to gain control over the vast water resources of the Litani River.
At best, this will result in a regional war with Israel getting destroyed by Hizbullah, Iran, Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. If the US attacks Iran, then Russia and China will enter the war to preserve their access to Middle Eastern energy resources and commercial shipping transit (i.e. Belt and Road initiative) via the Suez canal. Again, Mr. Freidman doesn’t seem to understand that.
For Israel, this war is not about Hamas or even revenge: It is about expelling and/or exterminating all remaining Palestinians from “Greater Israel.” Unfortunately, it also would mean World War 3.
@@declupI admit I read your comment before listening to this full discussion … but …
I wanted to make the point that knowledge does not equal insight .
TF and the writer you cited from The Atlantic may be well versed in the political vocabulary of the region , but that does not mean their moral compass is pointing true .
I have never read a piece of writing relating to Israel in
The Atlantic that is not written from a Zionist first perspective .
It is possible to build convincing intellectual frameworks over all sorts of emotional foundations .
The emotions come first and
The developed intellect justifies them .
Back to giving TF a chance , though …
@@declupYour "gist" is just that & a wrong assumption predicated on that old "friend-enemy" construct. The current context is of the Obama-Biden administration's view as to how to best deal with/control Netanyahu. Obama was for relegating Bibi to an obviously chilly place, while Biden's approach is that of keeping him closer.
@@JP51ism -- Closeness, not as a sign of allyship, JP, but as a way to get/keep tactical leverage. The article by Yair Rosenberg is titled "Biden's Smart Strategy for Outmaneuvering Bibi", and is, by the way, Rosenberg's expression of his opinion, not mine of mine.
Yes, I have been wondering if CR would find a place given this vast internet/social media world we live in. His personal decisions cost him a prestigious program, a program that contributed to the public discourse in important ways. Mr. Rose has paid a price for his choices. He was publicly shamed and punished. That seems to be a cost that Americans wanted to see. It is however, part of the Christian ethic to allow a person to be forgiven and to contribute to society. We are not living in a Puritan nation. Frankly, the Founding Fathers rejected the Puritan ways and values, finding them too narrow, even draconian in instances. There is no need to live as Puritans. We are a nation that moves forward. We are a nation that progresses. It is therefore, good to see Mr. Rose is moving forward. This conversation with Thomas Friedman is emblematic of the contribution Mr. Rose can make. These are unsetting times; on both the domestic front and on the international stage. The knowledge base, extensive network, and interview skills that Mr. Rose brings to the public is of value.
Agree that he should be forgiven and contrubute, but given our complicity in this genocide and the wars of choice leading to atrocities in Iraq and ukraine and afganistan we are NOT a nation that progresses, rather led like sheep by politician whores paid by military industrial Complex and AIPAC when mideast involved.
Yep who was watching the open air prison ?
American conversations about the Middle East that is Israel centric..
as opposed to Fakestinian propaganda lies
NO, you either weren't listening to everything or you're trolling. Friedman criticized Netanyahu REPEATEDLY!
And what of aparthied? Genocide? Mass starvation? USA vetos AGAIN?
I agree with many things Mr Friedman says and writes, especially on Israel and Palestine. However, he does not realize how much the hegemonial shift has already progressed. The US is not the indispensible nation anymore, as much as I myself wished it would still be the case.
If the US and the west does not realize this and starts to compromise, also ideologically, in order to keep their status and influence, they will go down the hard way. We have seen this in history over and over again in the rise and fall of great powers. So often they fall deep, and pull the whole world into desaster, because they don't realize soon enough that they are not as powerful anymore as they thought they are.
I think the US and Isreal will go down together becausr they are intertwined.
Russian Bot?
@@robaustin3013 Nope, just a reasonable realist.
Thank you
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
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Agreed-- nice to have you back, Charlie.
I can’t believe how Friedman won Pulitzer prices. Did AIPAC made phone calls for him?
You mad?
Exactly. He's talking from Israel's point of view almost all the time. He himself is Jewish of course.
@@wktang9680
the OP is a MUSLIM!
So what's your point Tang?
yeah. he's a zionist asset. totally lost credibility in my eyes.
What a fantastic commentary. Mr. Friedman gives us years of experience, keen observation, and thoughtfulness all put together. And thanks to Mr. Rose for hosting and guiding the discussion with his on-point questions. This is the best thing I've heard politically in months.
Bring on Norman Finklestein Charlie
Charlie Rose, I am new to your channel, and eternally grateful for its' intelligent content.
According to the Genocide Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition of the crime of genocide, as set out in the Convention, has been widely adopted at both national and international levels, including in the 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Learn more about the definition of the crime of genocide.
Importantly, the Convention establishes on State Parties the obligation to take measures to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide, including by enacting relevant legislation and punishing perpetrators, “whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals” (Article IV). That obligation, in addition to the prohibition not to commit genocide, have been considered as norms of international customary law and therefore, binding on all States, whether or not they have ratified the Genocide Convention.
So who's preventing Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran from committing genocide against the Jewish people? Where is the Genocide Convention when it's the Jews who need to be protected from Genocide? or does it only apply to non-Jews?
There is no genocide happening here
Must be denied, no need look.
No occupation I ask?
No aparthied if walls and No equal rights for them? Killing others does not need the International Court. No veto? OK. Not occurring. Maybe the murder of civilians, defenseless humans is not war.
Sad if some deny anything but their own rights to dominate, humiliate?
Your state terror?
Friedman’s scenario isn’t convincing. Says Sindwar will be stuck with rebuilding. I don’t believe it. The international guilt trip will launch into action as always. UN, EU, even US will be pressured to “relieve the suffering” and blame will be forgotten.
Does capacity to relieve the suffering exist? I mean, to an extent commensurate with the suffering inflicted? No number of billions of dollars can bring back the lives of lost loved ones.
Wishy washy interview... Blah, blah, blah
Defund The NYTs and Useless Thomas Friedman
Sorry guys, it's so biased and untrue.
Charlie Rose treats him with kid gloves. He should be interviewed by Caroline Glick
Agree, especially when we have more clarity now. th-cam.com/video/jp4uLjCztfI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hIlepqk-pMVYvfsU
Or better yet jiminy glick
Two intellectuals of the American gerontocracy. Sad to behold
Russian Bot
The war didn't start on Oct 7
When did 9/11 start?
❤ Charlie Rose. ❤ Tom Friedman. Such enlightened discourse.
Read Friedman's article published today (Dec 29).
I think it's pretty clear Tom needs a prescription for some strong anti-depressants.
His people successfully canceled Christmas this year. He should be thrilled.
@@kindGSL Christmas?! H-ll, they cancelled Christ! /s
Thomas F is nothing but a coward.
The slanted explanation of the situation.
Jeez, Charlie, how about reading a few history, political science and philosophy books.
Mr Friedman he's a biased when talks about Israel like most of senators and Congress in United estate
I call it the Epstein effect.
Truth has a liberal bias
Interesting and ironic that Charlie emerges from the ruins of the MeToo mess he loss his job to without a fair trial to say nothing about the way 10/7 exposed the sham of the MeToo movement. How dare these two intellects completely miss the opportunity to face that elephant in the room that crushed Charlie’s career.
It is so very important to amplify that Israel declared War partly because Hamas almost captured an air base, partly because Hezbollah did try attacking from the north on october 7 and partly because Hamas livestreamed what they did to those young women ..
This time was an official declaration of war and i dont think people really appreciate what that means.
It is because Hamas forces civilians to stay innocent people died.
Israeli soldiers should not carry this burden. It is Hamas who has their blood on their hands.
Mr. Friedman, how many jihadist did you interview in Gaza?
although agreeing about Netanyahu any leader of Israel would have to act in the same way in response to 7/10
Why has no one asked the question "Why Did This Happen? "
How long can a people exist; before they are allowed to be free?
Also why is everything about the merchants?
@silver3149 why did this happen? Its always happened. This is the way of Islam. 1400 years of brutal massacres, colonisation and conquest.
@@silver3149Because the Israeli merchants seek to form a coalition AGAINST Netanyahu! They have been and are RIGHT NOW in the streets protesting Netanyahu's GOVERNMENT!
Who are you, mr. Friedman? Who are your ancestors, and ancestors of these ancestors? Where are they from? Are they refugees or colonizers? The entire history of mankind is a history of colonization. The history of Middle East is a history of permanent genocide as well as the history of the United States and the Russian Empire. You need to see a wider historical perspective, not narrowed to the ‘point of view’.
You got me until you started talking unproven rape & Israeli propaganda. You clearly on Israel side by how you represent Israel more positively. You forgot to mention the fact a lot killed were killed by Israel!
Yes, you are right nobody won this war. In general, I believe nobody wins a war in modern history. The two people must sit down and think about the future of their children and think what happened and the madness of both extremism. They can live peace and harmony without violence if they want to.
Israel wants to. Palestinians don’t. And that is the simple truth
@@natehavs.4568Not true. The illegal settlers are terrorists in their own right. They are extremists and wreaking havoc in West Bank and government.
@@natehavs.4568 Netanyahu & Likub Party aren't for a Palestinian state. Around 43:06 listen to the comparison of Netanyahu and Trump, both being dividers rather than uniters.
End the occupation
@@pt68picaso even the biggest peace loving people need to cope with reality. You can’t want a Palestinian state when the mainstream narrative of the entire majority want to massacre you.
Mr. Friedmans paints a logical picture and sensible approach at first blush. But the approach of withdrawing to see how the Gazans react to Hamas is a a highly speculative gamble given that Hamas has all the guns and controls the government. It’s a particularly risky gamble for Israelis given that Gaza is on their border and Hamas has vowed to continue the attacks whenever it can. If Mr. Friedman’s children lived on a Kibbutz bordering Gaza, would he suggest this?
After 100 years of Arab attacks on Jews in Israel and multiple rejections of a 2 state solution by the Arabs in the area, maybe it’s time to recognize that it is not possible unless and until the Palestinians no longer hate Jews. But from their actions, it appears to be in their DNA. So maybe the right wing Israelis are right, that the best solution is to expel their sworn enemies from Gaza and the West Bank? 100+ years of Palestinian Arab attacks on Israel and rejection of multiple offers of 2 states including the Peel Commission recommendation of 80% of the land for the Arabs and 20% for the Jews certainly supports this conclusion.
As for World opinion and pressure, once the result is accomplished, likely the world will quickly forget like it has with Assad killing 500,000 Syrian Muslims in his own country. The rest of the Arab states are now normalizing relations with Assad. The rest of the world is doing nothing. Russia is bombing civilian targets in Ukraine. Where is the condemnation? Much of the non Western world including India has not missed a beat in continuing to trade with Russia.
If I’m living in Israel now, there is no way I am going to allow a militarily independent Palestinian state on my border now or until the Palestinians somehow convince me, not Thomas Friedman, that they no longer hate us.
I don’t think Gazans can think past blaming Israel for their miserable existence under Hamas
Sorry, Mr. Freedman. Israel was not looking for a Revenge . This was not Israel’s goal. The goal is to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
What utter nonsense. Sure Israel has a right to exist. But they have been brutally occupying Palestinians for decades. Of course terrorism is not justified but Israel has been a brutal occupier that has killed hundreds of Palestinians during the course of its occupation. Now they are trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Because they are finally being called out on it, it has upset people.
Glad Charlie Back!!!
Charlie Rose....Missed you. The only interview show I ever looked forward to. Thomas Friedman...thanks for your very important and directional insights. I hope someone will listen. But I"m pessimistic. 2 groups of people with opposite visions and no ears at all. Who's going to fix that?
Friedman would have been a 'KAPO' in Auschwitz.
A little honesty would be greatly appreciated. Specifically, could Thomas Friedman please admit that, as a Jew, he wholeheartedly supports Israel? Thank you 🙏. And you’re welcome 😉
Sure, right after you wholeheartedly admitted that you are a Judophile, the admirer of the Jews, or the other way aroind
He is a self hating jew simple as that
Sorry, he doesn't. He's not a friend of Israel.
No, he does no support her enough, or cannot say it, as he works for NYT which is the pro-terrorist yellow propaganda tabloid
When will Thomas Friedman retire?
I thought Charlie Rose was shamed out of the interview business because of his sexual harassment.
These dinosaurs refuse to go.
Good conversation. I wish Charlie have some sort of a visual background instead of the blackhole he seems to project from!
The Zoom version of his studio show, minus his round table.
Freidman still doesn't get it.
What You Say, When You Listen. ..... Respect, without it for your audience, you're unable to tell them much.
He’s absolutely wrong. This war did not lose. This generation. This generation was born and raised by card-carrying members of the Islamist war cry, masquerading as free Palestine.
We did not lose them because of this war they were already lost 25 years ago in college campuses, nonstop chanting began, and it has spread to every small grassroots organization across the west, every college campus, and high schools because high school students love to fight and be rough and tough …here you go on a platter, your new cuz.
The American family, church, and even the football teams have corroded, kids have nothing to do except become radicalized.
Friedman is just trite and dishonest
It’s so good to see you. I miss your show on PBS. I made a point not to get into your personal controversy. I think you need to be on TH-cam.
Mind you, I am not a democrat and often I viewed your backing as wrong.
You should never have been going to ABC or whatever the hell these people are. Your show on PBS is what you should rebuild on your own.
You don’t need PBS, now-days you can be your own distributor of content and your interviews were extraordinary of quality. You owe me that. Get back in the game, enough listening to the bullshit of the left. There are independents like me that give an ear to both sides.
Are we forgetting that Thomas is well known to have said that if "only" Palestinians could use peaceful resistance by marching to israel, they would be met by young Israelis with flowers who support them? Here is the answer:Palestinians did exactly that and the results were a violent repression by israel where Palestinians were shot and killed and some were shot on the knees by Israeli soldiers. Talk about peaceful resistance!!!
Thomas was a total let down in this interview but a bigger disappointment was Charlie's indifference to his nitpicking only highlighting actions where Israeli failures could be countered by HAMAS failures and really glossing over grave misconduct by israel where israel has no counter for it's many unmatched violations. For example Thomas talks about HAMAS violating a ceasefire which existed but he somehow forgets that israel had killed over 150 Palestinians pre 10/7, and settler violence had increased as well as settlement expansions, now, how is that upholding a ceasefire?
Thomas ran a soft on israel narrative and totally ignoring the fact that israel is beyond a rogue state, israel would be the most sanctioned entity in the world because of it's actions, israel has a human rights abuses track record that makes North Korea look like a model state.
Or maybe Thomas should have just declared that he has a bias for israel instead of camouflaging his biases and prejudices by depriving key grave unmatched Israeli violations.
Personally I think that israel is playing a key role in the diminishment of American power and prestige in the world. The American public is sick and tired of foreign wars and it is really trying to avoid unnecessary wars but then you have a situation where israel is dragging America and abusing American power and prestige to get involved in conflicts that have persisted longer than they should due to israel's bad faith approach where they pay lip-service in conflict resolution negotiations with no intent for a peaceful settlement. You find that in those peace talks israel is either dragging it's feet to buy more time to get favourable conditions that would allow israel to isolate the Palestinians without actually solving the issue of the 700000 Palestinians that were expelled from their land and remain displaced.
Both Charlie and Thomas being journalists should have really highlighted the fact that israel has killed more journalists than in any conflict and has hindered journalistic access so that there's transparent reporting!!
Excellent comment .
I agree .
I clicked on this because 30 years ago these two guys seemed bright and insightful .
Their time has passed .
And I want to stress it is not inherent in aging - there are people who keep learning and adapting . No these two .
Great interview. I missed Charlie Rose. Thomas Friedman was on point with his remarks. Great clarity of vision and thought.
Did he ever interview jihadists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Army of Islam, Houthis, ISIS) ?
Charly, why don't you come out from the past and at least try to inform your audience balanced. I assume you read John Mearsheimers 2007 book that should indicate what facts to verify instead of repeating the loop of disputed lies.
The Jewish nation is Eternal!! No other nation can say that! Fact! Read the Torah
An Israeli resident said that Hamas knew about the concert because they were living and working side by side with Israeli friends, etc.
Villagers near Gaza employed Gazans, some of the jihadist attackers had maps with addresses and details of the residents.
Why no captions? I’m almost deaf. I need captions in order to understand the dialogue. Please!
He's repeating the Mass Rape lie. It's so annoying.
If someone starts with such a flagrant lie, it's hard to believe in their objectivity on this subject.
What a thoughtful, grown-up, discussion of some of the world's most difficult questions and problems we are experiencing. So many times I find myself as an ordinary, concerned human almost shouting - "YES, YES, YES!"
I also remember so many interviews Charlie gave in earlier, less crazy times, which enhanced my life, interests, and thoughts.
One less hopeful thought of the ME - for decades, as long as I remember, I have been distressed at the Arab street dancing, demonstrating about every atrocity against all Westerners - not just Jews, Americans, Brits. Decades before 9/11. I hope they are a minority, but, like most MAGAs they are many, noisy, nasty, and affect us all.
I'm thrilled Charlie is back, and I'm gonna write this comment under every new broadcast.
Charlie Rose was my favorite interviewer, so happy to see him back at it
Great conversation. I continue to appreciate Charlie Rose's style and Tom Friedman's perspective.
Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas
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Second question: 20% of Israelis are Palestinians. They do not have fully equal rights, but they are living peacefully alongside Israeli Jews. So again, why can't this arrangement be expanded to include the West Bank and Gaza? Obviously it would require time to formulate and a process of reconciliation like what South Africa used to dismantle their apartheid system.
Charlie so happy you are back 🎉I truly missed your show. No one has replaced it although Amanpour is good. Happy I just found this site. Hello from Tucson!
Beyond Excellent ! Crucial for bringing coexistence for people of Israel and the Palestinians. And maintaining Democracy in the world.
What crap. Every Israeli prime minister in the last 75 years would be doing exactly the same thing that Netanyahu is doing.
Reminder.PLO commited atrocities against the lebaneses specially the Christians in the seventies.short memories .
Was there a genicide and occupation extreme atrocities.
He’s wrong about Palestinians turning on Hamas leader. Israel will always and should be the villain in their hearts. He’s thinking the, “we’ll be greeted as liberators” Western theory.
What is the Palestinian end game?
They need someone to hate , so they can play the victim.
Remove their victim-hood and they have what?
Charlie,
Thank you for coming back.
.Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA
Big disappointment in Charlie Rose viewpoint. The total lack of sympathytoward Israel and the siffering their civilian had to go thtough the murders of infantd the rape of women, the execution of disanled and elderly people. I eill never again listen zo anything he says
Good coversation but the limitation is the failure to recognise colonial geopolitical decision by both european powers and the US creating the instabilities today.
He built his rhetorical house on a foundation of sand.
So awesome to have Charlie Rose back. Like an old friend, it’s been too long.