@@Luvalou24I was about to mention this but you beat me to it. Michael and Janet would also imagine their father in a very nice suit just for the occasion.
Yeah, exactly! A blessing because his strict discipline helped shape his children’s careers, but a curse because they lived in absolute fear because of him. I think Michael said that he would faint or vomit at Joe’s presence.
@@kenkenichi7461 I don't know that to be true. That was a rumor or something that Latoya said when she was under her abusive husband's spell. He wanted her to defame the family and she did so.
It's sad but since Michael was a person that believed in good in everyone so he didn't hate him even if he was scared of him- I feel bad for Michael tho- he didn't deserve the treatment he got-
Michael had a difficult upbringing . His father was cruel ,abusive, and unapologetic . If Joseph were alive, if he had the chance to go back in time ,I don't think he would've done it differently . Not because he was evil but because if it weren't for him ,the Michael Jackson we know and love would not have existed . It's a hard pill to swallow, but even when Michael was asked about his father in an interview ,he described him as a 'genius'. It's sad but true. Nonetheless, Michael was robbed of his childhood. It affected him till his death . I'm just happy he spent his last years with his three children. He loved them, and they gave him peace . They maybe the only people who were not interested in his fame and fortune. Rest in peace, MJ . You are missed . 💔
People have had worse childhood and they did just fine. Marlon Jackson got the most beating but he got it and lived a normal life. Michael always loved the victim mentality. He should have seen a therapist to help with childhood trauma @@kyleday5026
@@monam5962 All that you wrote was proof that you are an idiot you didn't live with them in the shows up with the disciplinarian that did the best that he thought he could do which had nothing to do with you and they weren't on drugs they weren't in jail and become the best entertainers in the world because of his disciplinarian ship we need more fathers like you need to worry about your own life and not about some famous people and how they got to be there
. I had an abusive stepmother since I was very little...and i'm also a Virgo like Michael...look, it's like ...the scars are very deep...and it's not just the scars in your soul, it's also the fact that you are now grown up and you have a job and a life and they continue to treat you like you are nothing, speaking to you like you were a looser..They have a way of making you dependent of their approval, but they are never satisfied. You feel guilty, because you seem to not love them enough...It's NOT that you don't forgive, or that you don't appreciate what they did for you!!! NO!!! But they just make it harder by bringing abuse in some way in your relationship... And you just keep on forgiving, and they keep on reminding you, triggering you...it difficult until they kinda strat changing a little...I'm 43 and I had like an "equal parts " conversation with my stepmother THE FIRST TIME in my life last Sunday... All this time I was afraid to stand up for myself!!! And I'm living 700 km far from my native city!!!. Please, try to understand Michael!!!
@@bibbiana4Lyfe thank you, it's not easy for me to write this, the way people feel about such subjects is judgemental lots of times, but I did it for Michael. I want it to be fair for him...at least that....at least for us, who love him🤗
I have Virgo heavy in my natal chart..my cousin is a full sun Virgo. We both have Leo moms that we call the female Joseph Jackson. We didn't need such heavy, strict, harsh discipline..U could still get us to climb a mountain by just being kind to us...and even when we did jump over that mountain ..some how it still didn't feel good enough until SHE approved it was..but I can't lie the hard parts of my life I remember my mom's advice and I'm thankful for it. She definitely taught me how not to be a mother...she and my dad gave my thicker skin cuz I really was as sensitive and soft hearted as mj...i cried watching Baywatch 😅😅🤷🏾♀️..I just wanted to help ppl ..and funny thing is the world seek ppl like us out just to be unkind. My mom was my 1st bully so I had to learn to be strong in some way...Still love her.
@@Mone333Williams Thank you for your answer. I can guarantee that Michael loved his father!!! the fact that he was honest about his relation with his father doesn't mean lack of love. He said his father was a genius and that he loved them but he didn't know how to show it. In that recording with the Rabbi.
One thing I can say for Michael, Jackson’s father. He was overly strict and abusive. The one thing he didn’t do was stole his money. A lot of parents stole their kids money, but he never did.
Also, Joe was always there for his kids! During MJ's drug addiction, during his extortion trials, etc. Joe was there. He loved his kids, but had a hard time showing it. In a book he wrote, he said that seeing Michael with Lisa Marie Presley, and how much they loved each other, was so moving to him. YES, Joe loved his son! And I am not trying to minimize the abuse, but we ALL got hit back in the day! Belts, wooden spoons, a tree branch, YES, we pretty much ALL got hit! The more sensitive you were, the more it gave you trauma.
@@leahartlee29Michael was VERY sensitive. He took every strike and every insult from his father, his brothers, and from his fans, to heart. It hurt him deeply. Turned him into a malignant perfectionist.
True. Also, people forget how poor they were they forget that they live in the ghetto amongst gangs. Joe was desperate not to let his sons fall victim to gangs or his daughters become teen moms. Joe won!!!
This comment is so fucking dumb because the parent is actually supposed to be the protector. Especially if you’re putting your child in showbiz it’s LITERALLY YOUR JOB to protect them and advocate for them. Just look at Zendaya. Her parents truly protected her from the horrors of hollyweird and she’s as successful as she can be, and she’s still sane and mentally healthy. Compared to other child stars like MJ and Britney who’s parents just saw them as a cash cow and put the career before the child’s feelings and mental health. They were absolutely tormented.
Yea Joe Jackson would molest all the kids but he did Michael the least you can check it out in Latoya's book he did it to Latoya the most then after she moved out Janet got the worst of it like everyday for years.
That wasn't his father, it was being a child star and the king of pop. He has 9 other siblings that weren't as damaged as he was, so it wasn't the strict discipline.
He psychologically abused him and the mother. They would have been successful regardless. Telling Michael he’s ugly is so messed up and bullying him . Michael wanted to be in the band unlike his brothers who were forced
It depends, I lived in fear when I knew I was doing wrong and knew the consequences of getting my (_:_) whipped, but when I did right by my parents no fear at all.
It depends, I feared my parents when I knew I was doing wrong and I knew the consequences was going to be a (_:_) whipping, but when I did right by my parents no fear at all.
That’s the way it was then, Joe like James Brown’s dad and my dad , didn’t take nooo mess James wrote a song about it, and yes I was afraid of the old man too, as I should’ve been he kept me anchored to reality and let me know that there were consequences that could lead to bad repercussions and that’s what his ass whoppings was about. He even thanked me and my brother later in our adult lives for him never having to go down to the police station to pick us up. Thank you pops and I miss you tremendously now that you’re gone 😢.
Joe Jackson did just what he needed to do. He ruled with a iron hand with tuff love of discipline. He had an American dream for his boys. Need more black fathers like this. Perhaps it would save more young black lives.
bruh no he didnt do wut he needed to do, u never need to hurt ur kid. MJ was traumatized for the rest of his life and it wasnt worth it. iron hand aint everything, we need less black fathers like this. abuse isnt justifiable
But Joe also molested all the boys but he did it to Michael the least because he would fight and scream while the other boys just did it. Then later he molested Latoya everyday then she moved out and he started doing it to Janet the most.
Please stop talking. Stop normalizing and justifying abuse! You can instill discipline without instilling fear abuse and intimidation. Nothing wrong with showing compassion but still achieving and teaching greatness. Michael obviously exuded talent beyond compare he didn’t need to be subjected to those heinous actions. He was still a child and children deserve respect kindness and empathy. If you can’t understand that as an adult then you shouldn’t have kids. In the community, Black people are so complacent in abuse against their children and often pass it off as humorous or normal, it’s neither! The children suffer the most by that mentality and that’s the downside of it. It’s not an American dream it’s a nightmare.
Es verdad que hubo diferencias entre ellos por la forma en que Joe lo trató. Joe vio que Michael daba mas que todos los demás, le exigía más. También es cierto que a Joe se le olvidó que Michael debía equilibrar su niñez con las actividades correspondientes a su etapa, lo que le provocó vacios existenciales a Michael, le creo problemas psicológicos. Pero a pesar de todo Michael perdonó a su padre porque el era todo amor. Y que bueno que así fue porque así tenía que ser. Michael también supo reconocer lo positivo de todo esto que gracias a ello, logro lo que todos sabemos. Te amo Michael eres una persona excepcional.
I suppose Dad Jackson struggled with keeping the personal family life and business life apart from each other while raising his children. He may have been too focused on striving for his sons' success during their musical careers that he forgot to be a regular father to them all instead of just their manager.
Say what u want about Joseph Jackson ..but he IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE for the Jackson 5/Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson. He gave us 3 talented acts and made sure his children made something great of themselves. Y'all go work 16 hrs 6 days a week in a steel mill..come home to 9 kids a wife in a 2 bedroom house in gang city Gary Indiana?? and tell me what would u do? I may not agree nor would have done what Joe did but I admire the man for doing ALL he could to be the best father he knew how ...he probably wasn't the greatest father to most ppl standards but A LOT of ppl didn't even have a dad .let alone a half way dad. He probably wasnt the best husband to Mrs. Katherine BUT HE STAYED WHEN MEN WALKED OUT ON THEIR FAMILIES..and he made damn sure u knew his children were stars.
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908absolutely my mother was Joseph Jackson but at the end of the day because of Joseph his children were strong enough and solid human beings. He did his best even if we don't agree with his method to madness. In the end it was because Joseph took his kids talent and molded their skills to greatness. He stayed up long hrs too, he worked too, he made a way for those children to be the greatest royal entertainment family to ever live. Joseph was wrong for ALOT of things and God can only judge him. But for me...I respect Joseph...if it wasn't for him his kids would just been singing in Gary indiana. It was Joseph that got them to Motown. Give the man some credit. Most kids wouldn't get up to go to school let ALOT make it to Hollywood royalty without a parent like Joseph. In his day you had to be hard on your kids. He did what he was supposed to with no map or tools.
❤Nothing but respect and understanding and complete agreement with your statement. There is no guide to parenthood, especially when you are raising a mini version of yourself and your partner rolled into 1. Joe Jackson did and used what he knew best (music and an eye for talent in HIS children) get his family on a better path in life.
Joe was just like any strict blckfather - you never see or hear of fathers of any other group called "a beausive" from being so strict - you'll also never hear anyone use that term with these "Tiger Moms"..... The media at large really cannot stand to see blckfathers not be the normal stereotypes that's on constant display - this is why they had some serious disdain for and tried to shine a bad light on the likes of Joe Jackson and Lavarr Ball.....
My cousin Johnny has been playing the drums for the Jackson 5 all the way up until he was murdered in 2006 Joe Jackson was my next door neighbor here in Las Vegas and we would often hang out but some people don't understand that Joe had to raise those boys in a tough town where gangs could have been an influence so great job Joe you will be missed😊
They mention him in the miniseries. Was he related to them or was he from a different set of Jacksons? I remember hearing when he was killed. My condolences.
@@4eyesJustinWhen you tell your children not to call you dad or father but by your first name that creates a barrier in the relationship. I remember letoya asking Joseph for permission to call him dad when she was an adult. Do you know how bad i felt for her.
Without Tito there’s no Jackson 5 without Joe there’s no jackson 5. It was Tito that started playing the guitar broke the string and joe discovered his kids had a talent later finding Michael had gift
Man, Michael Jackson might have one of the most double edged sword life y’all would ever know. On one side, bro be an an icon legend, being so famous that Hollywood couldn’t afford him to be in most movies like they wanted, and every time he performed live half the people would faint just by him doing NOTHING. Yet on the other hand, bro never got a chance to have a normal childhood and when he tried to, he was too old and having him playing with kids looked weird and gave him a bad name. Along with getting dealt with a lot trauma and ptsd from his own dad. I get most of us got somewhat the same treatment, but I’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to be so scared of your dad that you pass out or puke…
Michael, and us we love you guys so much. The world. I knew that after graduating I could not stand at attention for to long. While looking up. God be with us......
I believe they went through strict discipline, you know having so much sons and I don't they would have a successful career if it weren't for their father, I think he did what any dather would do to his sons, he just didn't express his love the right way but he brought them up well..
Just saw a interview where Jackie Jackson said he loved his father dearly. His father gave Jackie his Jeep when the Dad died. Jackie talked how the Jeep reminds him of his dad and the scents in the Jeep are aromas of his dad. He got emotional. So Joe couldn't have been so bad after all. He told many stories of his Father. Jackie obviously misses his Dad. Joe being a monster is exaggerated. Jackie certainly proves that
If it wasn't for Joe Jackson they would never have reached that level of success. Joe Jackson was a wonderful father never stole from his kids and made sure they succeeded. RIP Joe and Michael Jackson 🙏🏿
@@Snyper1405 if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have Super stardom. And he loves Michael more than you and the rest who lie to themselves that they love him more
@@Sunshine-dx5xo how is he and I like you and all his children were successful. He let them to success he did the other things right man is to error they should all have forgiven him. Without him you wouldn't know who Michael Jackson was
JO Jackson était un très bon père ! Il est seulement devenu au x yeux de la presse, ce qu'on voulait qu'il soit, Tout simplement cela ! S'il n'y avait pas eu l'exigence de JO, Il n'y aurait jamais eu de Michael !
JOE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SO HARD AND MEAN BUT HIS WIFE COULDN'T SAY BUT SO MUCH BUT I GIVE HER CREDIT SHE SPOKE UP COMPARED TO OTHER WOMEN BACK IN THAT TIME. JOE WAS BEATING MICHAEL AND SHE SCREAMED STOP IT JOE YOU'RE GONNA KILL HIM HE DID STOP AND WALKED OUT.
A man will raise his sons to be like him: responsible, honorable and God-fearing. Joe did all of that very well. Imagine having all of those sons and you do nothing to help make them responsible, loving, God-fearing men. The opposite would be a tragedy. It is not abuse they underwent. It is called discipline. RIP Mr. Joe Jackson and his son Mr. Michael Jackson. ❤️🤗❤️🤗🎼🎹🕊️🕊️🐑📖✝️🛐🙏
Exactly! And I went to a very diverse school, but the thing we almost all had in common was that we got hit when we did something wrong!! It was called correction, LOL!!
@@leahartlee29 🤗👍💯🤣 You gotta love our parents. I was lucky to not fall too far off the tree. But when I did, I learned the hard way fast ... Not with beatings but by lectures and occasional fists matches (not much but enough to make me say: "Stop, this is stupid!"). 😅
Cringe. Being god-fearing is cringe, and abusing your children under the guise of strengthening their resolve is psychopathic shit. You and anybody who thinks like you should never be a parent, you would be monstrous to children.
Why would Joe Jackson been Abusive as they claim if his children were successful Music Artist They were bringing in money 💰. Taking care of there parents.
@@missshannon9790 ive seen an interview where michael literally said he used to make fun of his nose and his looks, if you think michael was lying i guess thats up to you
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908there was never any proof of that and Michael even said a fan or fans said “That’s ugly Michael Jackson, Yuck. His nose is too big, he’s got pimples” . Someone else even stated that on here as well and they state it in the miniseries and Maragaret Maldonado’s book.
Tito cleared his father name in an interview. He said his father wasn't abusive to them. He was very stricted with them. All the Jackson brothers, including Mike, said they didn't understand why until they we older. Tito said he glad his father was tough on him because he could've ended up like some of his friends who was in prison, on drugs or dead. Tito also said the movie dramatized his father character when it came to the whoopings.
Let's just cut the childish mahave ... Blah blah blah. Joseph was a great dad. Don't we wish he was eeeverybody's ... REMEMBER MICHAEL WAS HIS SON FIRST EVERY SINCE HE WAS BORN. Weeeeeee didn't Know who Michael was no matter how we say we Looooooo❤ve him... Until he appeared on T.V in 1968... And we only heard stories after that. Michael never showed us bruises Joseph would leave on him or never did they ever say Joseph went to Jail or prison or he was a drunk or he did drugs or he smoked too much ... NONE of that and it was Parents that wouuuuld do all of those things and go to jail smoked and dranked in FRONT of your face ans will still WHIP your A$$$$$ for bull Snot!! Or tell you not to do something they would abd punish you for that and say you're too young and you do as I SAY not as I do? And when they Trashed those hotel.rooms dtopping water balloons on people's heads outta the windows and pillow fights and all kinds of crazy stuff WHAT DID MICHAEL.EVER SAY JOSEPH DONE ABOUT THAT? ... DID THEY GET TORE UP LIKE MOST PARENTS WOULD HAVE DONE? OR DID MICHAEL JUST EXPRESS HOW MUCH FUN THEY HAD? Think about that AND you have to realize back in the day Teaching your children how to behave always showed the results because of what they practiced in the home FIRST...Those Kids were kind and respectful because of how JOSEPH BROUGHT THEM UP. THEY PROBABLY CALLED HIM JOSEPH SO THEY WOULD REALIZE HE WAS MORE THAN JUST DAD!! Think ABOUT what he had to go through STAIR STEP TO KEEP THAT FAMILY TOGETHER. WHEN I GOT MY ASS WHIPPED IT WAS BY BOTH THAT RAISED ME AND MY MOM WHEN SHE HAD ME... BACK IN THE DAY IF YOU HAD A STRICT HOME.. WE ALL GOT IT...HE DIDN' T JUST PICK ON MICHAEL get a LIFE!! And put the stones down!!$ ❤ JOSEPH KNEW WHO MICHAEL WAS WAY BEFORE WE DID AND WHO DO YOU THINK GOT THOSE SHY GUYS ON STAGE AND TO THE TOP? JOSEPH!!! IN THE END that's all your hear is how JOSEPH pushed them on stage and do better than better or don't do it at all... Think if it wasn't for Joseph MICHAEL probably wouldn't have gotten on that stage. He was affaid to do a whole lot of things but he had his DADDY behind him. They all turned out like they did. And I saw Michael celebrate Joseph before and say what a great DAD he was along with what he didn't like about him. BUT you have to take the good with the bad back then. MICHAEL was as sweet and Kind and responsible as he was back then because of his parents and all of his siblings coming up with them minding their positions as well. SO before we complaim about how hard JOSEPH was on MICHAEL and like he said he gurgitated all the way to the bank. Even gave him whatever he deserved. Michael wasn't always an angel people thought. Remember when his mother's jewlery was missing? Well she found out later he was sneaking it out of the house to give it to his teacher. Was that sweeet or awful? 😢😢😢 STILL.HE WAS HUMAN and HE DIDN' T MAKE IT TO THAT STAGE ALONE... ❤❤❤ he had LOVE and patience from others behind that. Put two and two together and remember how you came up. Stop thinking about the little scenes we just caught on tv or the negative parts of their lives which we don't know what was behind the inside of it all. JOSEPH had to face the true Michael as well...did anybody listen to his side of the story? It took two for things to turn out for who we saw on that stage and love now as we do as such a famous person we enjoyed for decades until his death. But he didn't just jump out of the sky and chose to live how he did. REST in Heaven Great father and MJ.. I know he's still getting your props. How they buried their dad together with every single CHILD there to say Good bye. Let you know what was up and he was always there for them. That's one thing they always said about him. They see him cheering them on and remind them they are A JACKSON before they step on that stage... And you see the magic you fell in love with since 1968. 2009 RIP MJ. Amen Weeeeeeeeeeeee THANK YOooooou. ❤😢
I think even though Joe was strict and disaplined Mike and his brothers. The upside I believe helped them to be the best they could be. Joe knew how hard it was to make it because he failed at it and wanted the best for his sons. Even though he went a bit over board.
Marshall discipline came from the slave times. Black fathers raised their kids like that because their fathers raised them like that. Joe and katherine raised the best musical family in the world, period🤷🏿
Our dad was strict with us and hit us with belts, shoes, hands. We stayed having our dad in our lives too. I didn't let being hit bother me. I just dealt with it and moved on. Michael Jackson probably had worse abuse than we did.
Michael talked about a woman in Virginia wanted to know where Michael was. When she realized that Michael had grown into a teenager, she was very disappointed. If you ask me, there is more truth to this story than Joe Jackson denigrating him.
If Joe was " abusive" during that time then all of our parents were abusive. We all got our ass whooped, Mike made money from his we just learned discipline. Jermaine said it . Joe was stern and hard white people interpret that to being abused.
How can ppl make excuses for him. If it wasn’t for him he wouldn’t be famous blah blah blah. If it wasn’t for him he also wouldn’t be mentally tormented and disturbed. His fathers job as his manager was to be his protector and advocate and he failed miserably. I’d much rather he was protected and failed in the industry like wtf.. Y’all love celebrities only if they’re serving you with performance and content to consume. Everyone got greedy and took advantage of Michael his whole life, it’s so fucking sad. Even beyond the grave y’all being hella selfish with how you view his upbringing… “he needed that to be the star he was” maybe we don’t deserve any more great stars. Y’all ruin them. Smh. Selfish and always disappointing humans. No one stands up for anyone anymore unless there’s incentive. 😢
Being strict on your kids and giving them tough love is fine. I get it, sometimes you need to be a little harsh on em but at the same time, they shouldn't be terrified of you.
MJ loved his father. Anyone who has a father from the 1950s knows fathers aren't perfect. Joe was born in 1928. A father's job is to discipline, structure, and protect. Not to coddled BS. Any issues go get therapy. Without Joe, Mike wouldn't have reached greatness. Y'all need to stop playin'.
@cynthiafernandezhaliday9448 Yeah, as a BW that had a strict father, a lot of kids (black kids particularly) need more Joe's in the house. If we had more Joe's, I guarantee you Black kids would be well-behaved.
Totally agree, if i was famous and told about the A**'whippings i got as a kid from my mom's, the public would paint picture more than it was.Joe raised 10 kid's during the 60& 70s, .
Unless you was bought up in the ghetto, I'm not sure you'd understand. Joe was a great father. Great. All his kids made something of themselves, none ever went to jail. None ever got killed, and none was on drugs a kid. Michael wasn't a father so I'm not sure he'd understand how hard that is. Did he have to whoop them when they messed up a dance move, no he didn't. That's scary for a kid. But I won't call him a bad father.
I think Joe did damn Good personally. None of them became criminals and horrible ppl. MJ was sensitive and rightfully so he became so big at such a young age. He had to deal with a conflicting society where ppl didn't like blacks but loved him. Like this wasn't just Joe. I never heard them say Catherine was beat up, I never heard them say any of them were flat out beat down. He talked shit and probably said stuff to push them that was hurtful. Still wrong but they didn't grow up in some horrific horror house!
It’s crazy nobody bashes Terrace Crawford mother as much as they bash Joe Jackson and he the one that actually made all his kids successful and terrace Crawford didn’t even teacher her son how to box…
I think that people also have to understand how Joseph’s upbringing informed and influenced his parenting. Not excusing anything, but just do a quasi root analysis. Joe was born during the Jim Crow era. Life was extremely, extremely hard and traumatic for Black people and that impacted the family dynamic immensely.
listen my dad was very strict and very straight forward and i didn't end up on the streets and have a successful and blessed career, so dad's going to be dad's 🤷🏻♂️
No I was not aware of making fun of Mike's nose & name calling. I Don't agree with that . Abuse is never good. "But can we give Joe credit for his role in his family's success ? Nobody's perfect.
You know what, while I was editing this, I had a clip of an interview where Joe laughed at the interviewer when asked about being abusive to Michael. So horrible joe was, but without him, we wouldn't of had michael
@@mjshowandtellwe all can agree that joe it's awful. but how love can be born in hate... Michael it's just a miracle, raised of a tragedy. Joe help born a legend.
@@mjshowandtellwell I mean if I had to talk about that then I would’ve probably given a little awkward laugh too, he was probably uncomfortable talking about it, and his body just made him smile a little from awkwardness. I don’t think he’s a good father still, but glad to see that there’s people like you that know without him, we wouldn’t have Michael.
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Even if Michael hated his father's guts with a passion, he would not wish death on him.
Michael was lovely. It's just so sad he grew up with a father figure like that.
He and Janet would close their eyes and say, picture Joseph in a coffin.. would you cry and they both would answer , "no".
@@Luvalou24I was about to mention this but you beat me to it. Michael and Janet would also imagine their father in a very nice suit just for the occasion.
@@Snyper1405 That must be reason he kept getting set up for those child molestation allegations.
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Joe was a blessing and a curse to them
Yeah, exactly! A blessing because his strict discipline helped shape his children’s careers, but a curse because they lived in absolute fear because of him. I think Michael said that he would faint or vomit at Joe’s presence.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
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@@4eyesJustin he said vomit
@@SiimplyDejella_Lovesjesus oh! Just vomit. Well, still, no child should be in that level of his/her parental figure
Michael. Acknowledged his father and respected him as well
Yes he did.
We got our asses beat when we were children and we all grew up to do great things! We're happy and we're all okay
That's true but Joe was molesting Micheal and he would fight hard against but Joe got Latoya the most.
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I don't know that to be true. That was a rumor or something that Latoya said when she was under her abusive husband's spell. He wanted her to defame the family and she did so.
@@kenkenichi7461lol proof
It's sad but since Michael was a person that believed in good in everyone so he didn't hate him even if he was scared of him- I feel bad for Michael tho- he didn't deserve the treatment he got-
He did hate him but he worked that out. You can't help but feel hate for someone who hurt you.
Now how the HELL you know ANY of what you just typed? Did you live with them? Maybe under Rebbies bed or something? 🤔
This short about MJ’s dad almost perfect, maybe just one more sentence describing the physical and emotional abuse.
Michael had a difficult upbringing . His father was cruel ,abusive, and unapologetic . If Joseph were alive, if he had the chance to go back in time ,I don't think he would've done it differently . Not because he was evil but because if it weren't for him ,the Michael Jackson we know and love would not have existed . It's a hard pill to swallow, but even when Michael was asked about his father in an interview ,he described him as a 'genius'.
It's sad but true.
Nonetheless,
Michael was robbed of his childhood.
It affected him till his death . I'm just happy he spent his last years with his three children. He loved them, and they gave him peace .
They maybe the only people who were not interested in his fame and fortune.
Rest in peace, MJ .
You are missed . 💔
michael was coming across as a victim thats why anyone in there right mind would not think this way know the difference between right and wrong
People have had worse childhood and they did just fine. Marlon Jackson got the most beating but he got it and lived a normal life. Michael always loved the victim mentality. He should have seen a therapist to help with childhood trauma @@kyleday5026
That's crap. You don't treat your kids like that for monetary reasons
You mean noone should treat their kids like that .Infortunately, most ambitious patents do so, especially in the entertainment industry .
@@monam5962 All that you wrote was proof that you are an idiot you didn't live with them in the shows up with the disciplinarian that did the best that he thought he could do which had nothing to do with you and they weren't on drugs they weren't in jail and become the best entertainers in the world because of his disciplinarian ship we need more fathers like you need to worry about your own life and not about some famous people and how they got to be there
. I had an abusive stepmother since I was very little...and i'm also a Virgo like Michael...look, it's like ...the scars are very deep...and it's not just the scars in your soul, it's also the fact that you are now grown up and you have a job and a life and they continue to treat you like you are nothing, speaking to you like you were a looser..They have a way of making you dependent of their approval, but they are never satisfied. You feel guilty, because you seem to not love them enough...It's NOT that you don't forgive, or that you don't appreciate what they did for you!!! NO!!! But they just make it harder by bringing abuse in some way in your relationship... And you just keep on forgiving, and they keep on reminding you, triggering you...it difficult until they kinda strat changing a little...I'm 43 and I had like an "equal parts " conversation with my stepmother THE FIRST TIME in my life last Sunday... All this time I was afraid to stand up for myself!!! And I'm living 700 km far from my native city!!!. Please, try to understand Michael!!!
Deep❤❤❤
@@bibbiana4Lyfe thank you, it's not easy for me to write this, the way people feel about such subjects is judgemental lots of times, but I did it for Michael. I want it to be fair for him...at least that....at least for us, who love him🤗
I have Virgo heavy in my natal chart..my cousin is a full sun Virgo. We both have Leo moms that we call the female Joseph Jackson. We didn't need such heavy, strict, harsh discipline..U could still get us to climb a mountain by just being kind to us...and even when we did jump over that mountain ..some how it still didn't feel good enough until SHE approved it was..but I can't lie the hard parts of my life I remember my mom's advice and I'm thankful for it. She definitely taught me how not to be a mother...she and my dad gave my thicker skin cuz I really was as sensitive and soft hearted as mj...i cried watching Baywatch 😅😅🤷🏾♀️..I just wanted to help ppl
..and funny thing is the world seek ppl like us out just to be unkind. My mom was my 1st bully so I had to learn to be strong in some way...Still love her.
@@Mone333Williams Thank you for your answer. I can guarantee that Michael loved his father!!! the fact that he was honest about his relation with his father doesn't mean lack of love. He said his father was a genius and that he loved them but he didn't know how to show it. In that recording with the Rabbi.
I’m a Virgo too
One thing I can say for Michael, Jackson’s father. He was overly strict and abusive. The one thing he didn’t do was stole his money. A lot of parents stole their kids money, but he never did.
Also, Joe was always there for his kids! During MJ's drug addiction, during his extortion trials, etc. Joe was there. He loved his kids, but had a hard time showing it. In a book he wrote, he said that seeing Michael with Lisa Marie Presley, and how much they loved each other, was so moving to him. YES, Joe loved his son! And I am not trying to minimize the abuse, but we ALL got hit back in the day! Belts, wooden spoons, a tree branch, YES, we pretty much ALL got hit! The more sensitive you were, the more it gave you trauma.
@@leahartlee29Michael was VERY sensitive. He took every strike and every insult from his father, his brothers, and from his fans, to heart. It hurt him deeply. Turned him into a malignant perfectionist.
I dont believe he hated joe i think his father just had a very hard time showing his love like that
True. Also, people forget how poor they were they forget that they live in the ghetto amongst gangs. Joe was desperate not to let his sons fall victim to gangs or his daughters become teen moms. Joe won!!!
They all have Joe Jackson's eyebrows and cheeks
These poor kids deserved so much better. Jackie, Tito (rip), Marlon, Michael (rip), Randy, and Janet were amazing people.
Joe didn't do nearly as much as the industry did to him sooo...
You said enough....they butchered him.. SMH 😢😢...REST IN PEACE MY BROTHER ❤
Fact.
This comment is so fucking dumb because the parent is actually supposed to be the protector. Especially if you’re putting your child in showbiz it’s LITERALLY YOUR JOB to protect them and advocate for them. Just look at Zendaya. Her parents truly protected her from the horrors of hollyweird and she’s as successful as she can be, and she’s still sane and mentally healthy. Compared to other child stars like MJ and Britney who’s parents just saw them as a cash cow and put the career before the child’s feelings and mental health. They were absolutely tormented.
You’re crazy, Joe PUSHED Michael into that environment. He literally sold his kids out and sacrificed them
Amen
Daddy looks scary 😨, poor Michael Jackson
Yea Joe Jackson would molest all the kids but he did Michael the least you can check it out in Latoya's book he did it to Latoya the most then after she moved out Janet got the worst of it like everyday for years.
What you mean by that 🤨📷
@@SariahThomas-321 The dad got em all
@@SariahThomas-321look at him
Dude look loke jeepers creepers
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Michael was a sweetheart.💖💖💖💖
His father instilled discipline and a hard work ethic. He wanted MJ to be the absolute best. Sad that it damaged him psychologically
Michael being a child star damaged Michael.
That wasn't his father, it was being a child star and the king of pop. He has 9 other siblings that weren't as damaged as he was, so it wasn't the strict discipline.
@@miszjackson7957 Like he really had MJ working his ass off at the ripe age of 5.
Back in the day black fathers was serious & hard. And you see the Major success the Jacksons have. Michael Jackson became a Phenomenal Icon🅰️➕
They emulated their slave masters
I was just about to say that exactly.
@@ericfreeman1303 then what happened? 😂 where it All go? Lemme guess, “Da younger genrazion!!”
He psychologically abused him and the mother. They would have been successful regardless. Telling Michael he’s ugly is so messed up and bullying him . Michael wanted to be in the band unlike his brothers who were forced
Children living in fear is abuse not discipline.
No!!
@@Foxxsilver101yes, george
Oh, that’s a really good way to put it
It depends, I lived in fear when I knew I was doing wrong and knew the consequences of getting my (_:_) whipped, but when I did right by my parents no fear at all.
It depends, I feared my parents when I knew I was doing wrong and I knew the consequences was going to be a (_:_) whipping, but when I did right by my parents no fear at all.
“Discipline” and “Abuse” are two completely different things.
That’s the way it was then, Joe like James Brown’s dad and my dad , didn’t take nooo mess James wrote a song about it, and yes I was afraid of the old man too, as I should’ve been he kept me anchored to reality and let me know that there were consequences that could lead to bad repercussions and that’s what his ass whoppings was about.
He even thanked me and my brother later in our adult lives for him never having to go down to the police station to pick us up.
Thank you pops and I miss you tremendously now that you’re gone 😢.
Joe Jackson did just what he needed to do. He ruled with a iron hand with tuff love of discipline. He had an American dream for his boys. Need more black fathers like this. Perhaps it would save more young black lives.
bruh no he didnt do wut he needed to do, u never need to hurt ur kid. MJ was traumatized for the rest of his life and it wasnt worth it. iron hand aint everything, we need less black fathers like this. abuse isnt justifiable
But Joe also molested all the boys but he did it to Michael the least because he would fight and scream while the other boys just did it. Then later he molested Latoya everyday then she moved out and he started doing it to Janet the most.
You could not be more wrong. Joe Jackson was evil and abusive.
@@DeniseFendi791 preach
Please stop talking. Stop normalizing and justifying abuse! You can instill discipline without instilling fear abuse and intimidation. Nothing wrong with showing compassion but still achieving and teaching greatness. Michael obviously exuded talent beyond compare he didn’t need to be subjected to those heinous actions. He was still a child and children deserve respect kindness and empathy. If you can’t understand that as an adult then you shouldn’t have kids. In the community, Black people are so complacent in abuse against their children and often pass it off as humorous or normal, it’s neither! The children suffer the most by that mentality and that’s the downside of it. It’s not an American dream it’s a nightmare.
No Michael did not hate his father. However, he dislike his father's strick discipline.
Thank God that the Children looked like their Mother... Joe is a 😢
Es verdad que hubo diferencias entre ellos por la forma en que Joe lo trató. Joe vio que Michael daba mas que todos los demás, le exigía más. También es cierto que a Joe se le olvidó que Michael debía equilibrar su niñez con las actividades correspondientes a su etapa, lo que le provocó vacios existenciales a Michael, le creo problemas psicológicos. Pero a pesar de todo Michael perdonó a su padre porque el era todo amor. Y que bueno que así fue porque así tenía que ser. Michael también supo reconocer lo positivo de todo esto que gracias a ello, logro lo que todos sabemos. Te amo Michael eres una persona excepcional.
Strict and demanding is another word for abusive.
Mj forgave his father why not say this as well,Joseph helped with the success of the Jackson 5 and Michael himself can't deny this fact
I suppose Dad Jackson struggled with keeping the personal family life and business life apart from each other while raising his children. He may have been too focused on striving for his sons' success during their musical careers that he forgot to be a regular father to them all instead of just their manager.
Say what u want about Joseph Jackson ..but he IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE for the Jackson 5/Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson. He gave us 3 talented acts and made sure his children made something great of themselves. Y'all go work 16 hrs 6 days a week in a steel mill..come home to 9 kids a wife in a 2 bedroom house in gang city Gary Indiana?? and tell me what would u do? I may not agree nor would have done what Joe did but I admire the man for doing ALL he could to be the best father he knew how ...he probably wasn't the greatest father to most ppl standards but A LOT of ppl didn't even have a dad .let alone a half way dad. He probably wasnt the best husband to Mrs. Katherine BUT HE STAYED WHEN MEN WALKED OUT ON THEIR FAMILIES..and he made damn sure u knew his children were stars.
actually talent is what made the jackson 5 not an abuser
you do realized he physically and verbally abused michael and he would always tell him he was ugly and made fun of his nose
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908absolutely my mother was Joseph Jackson but at the end of the day because of Joseph his children were strong enough and solid human beings. He did his best even if we don't agree with his method to madness. In the end it was because Joseph took his kids talent and molded their skills to greatness. He stayed up long hrs too, he worked too, he made a way for those children to be the greatest royal entertainment family to ever live. Joseph was wrong for ALOT of things and God can only judge him. But for me...I respect Joseph...if it wasn't for him his kids would just been singing in Gary indiana. It was Joseph that got them to Motown. Give the man some credit. Most kids wouldn't get up to go to school let ALOT make it to Hollywood royalty without a parent like Joseph. In his day you had to be hard on your kids. He did what he was supposed to with no map or tools.
❤Nothing but respect and understanding and complete agreement with your statement. There is no guide to parenthood, especially when you are raising a mini version of yourself and your partner rolled into 1. Joe Jackson did and used what he knew best (music and an eye for talent in HIS children) get his family on a better path in life.
His father got him to motown
Joe was just like any strict blckfather - you never see or hear of fathers of any other group called "a beausive" from being so strict - you'll also never hear anyone use that term with these "Tiger Moms".....
The media at large really cannot stand to see blckfathers not be the normal stereotypes that's on constant display - this is why they had some serious disdain for and tried to shine a bad light on the likes of Joe Jackson and Lavarr Ball.....
My cousin Johnny has been playing the drums for the Jackson 5 all the way up until he was murdered in 2006 Joe Jackson was my next door neighbor here in Las Vegas and we would often hang out but some people don't understand that Joe had to raise those boys in a tough town where gangs could have been an influence so great job Joe you will be missed😊
They mention him in the miniseries. Was he related to them or was he from a different set of Jacksons? I remember hearing when he was killed. My condolences.
@@Carolina_girl86 No he was not related but he had the same last name
There's a lot of young men that needed a joe jackson in their lives
They don’t need to be scared of their parental figure though
Say what you want about Joe, but he stated: "I never want anyone to look down on my children." Mission accomplished!
@@4eyesJustinWhen you tell your children not to call you dad or father but by your first name that creates a barrier in the relationship. I remember letoya asking Joseph for permission to call him dad when she was an adult. Do you know how bad i felt for her.
@@DarrellMarch90 its sad. That barrier where they kinda had to look at Joe as a sergeant.
@@4eyesJustin Exactly
Without Tito there’s no Jackson 5 without Joe there’s no jackson 5. It was Tito that started playing the guitar broke the string and joe discovered his kids had a talent later finding Michael had gift
And Mrs. Jackson that convinced Joe Jackson that the boys could sing and to give them a listen
Man, Michael Jackson might have one of the most double edged sword life y’all would ever know. On one side, bro be an an icon legend, being so famous that Hollywood couldn’t afford him to be in most movies like they wanted, and every time he performed live half the people would faint just by him doing NOTHING. Yet on the other hand, bro never got a chance to have a normal childhood and when he tried to, he was too old and having him playing with kids looked weird and gave him a bad name. Along with getting dealt with a lot trauma and ptsd from his own dad. I get most of us got somewhat the same treatment, but I’m pretty sure you’re not supposed to be so scared of your dad that you pass out or puke…
They definitely wouldn’t have reached the heights they did without Joe Jackson pushing them and teaching them what hard work is.
He Hated Him But Never Wish Nothing Bad On His Father.
He did not hate his dad
A huge blessing Joe Jackson. Rest in Perfect Peace Sir.🎉
Look how he turned out after being raised by his father, of course he hated him
Joe’s eyes scare me. Like he could look right thru you. So intimidating. I couldn’t imagine his full wrath.
Joe Jackson Made the Jackson 5👐
R.I.P Michael Joseph Jackson and Tito Jackson much love from down under❤️🇦🇺
Michael, and us we love you guys so much. The world. I knew that after graduating I could not stand at attention for to long. While looking up. God be with us......
Jo did a good job raising his children none of them died as a youth, was arrested. Any black man Born in the '60s and beforehand was like this
Daddy looks like a monster demon no wonder he didn't appear in any of the versions of Michael testament.
Joe was menacing lookin
Rip Tito ❤️
He looked so much like his dad he even got the eyebrow lift
لا احد يستطيع أن يشبه مايكل جاكسون فى شكله المميز 💯❤❤😊😊👍🏻👍🏻🖐🏻✌🏻
He said he forgave him and loved him im glade he did , so he can make it into heaven.❤
I believe they went through strict discipline, you know having so much sons and I don't they would have a successful career if it weren't for their father, I think he did what any dather would do to his sons, he just didn't express his love the right way but he brought them up well..
Joe was not good father
Just saw a interview where Jackie Jackson said he loved his father dearly. His father gave Jackie his Jeep when the Dad died. Jackie talked how the Jeep reminds him of his dad and the scents in the Jeep are aromas of his dad. He got emotional. So Joe couldn't have been so bad after all. He told many stories of his Father. Jackie obviously misses his Dad. Joe being a monster is exaggerated. Jackie certainly proves that
Can't get too caught up in what the media says. Pretty sure Joe learned as he aged.
Joe was a great father
@@creativesource3514 nope, you are lying. He definitely was a bad person.
@@grimm808-x4d You would not know Michael Jackson without Joe Jackson.
He beat his kids into worldwide stars
If it wasn't for Joe Jackson they would never have reached that level of success. Joe Jackson was a wonderful father never stole from his kids and made sure they succeeded. RIP Joe and Michael Jackson 🙏🏿
Michael took his father and his brothers out of his will. Left everything to his mother, his kids, and to charity. What does that tell you?
@@Snyper1405 if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have Super stardom. And he loves Michael more than you and the rest who lie to themselves that they love him more
@@nieshamccoy9419 He miss understood his dad. He should have forgiven him 100%. If wasn't for his dad you wouldn't have known him
@@Snyper1405 Not really, because you wouldn't have known who Michael was
@@Sunshine-dx5xo how is he and I like you and all his children were successful. He let them to success he did the other things right man is to error they should all have forgiven him. Without him you wouldn't know who Michael Jackson was
Everybody is so hard on Joe SMH
It was said by MJ that he was extremely scared of Joe.
I myself have zero respect for Joe, but yeah, had it not been for him then we wouldn’t have Michael Jackson or the rest of the Jackson Five.
No he didn't hate him. Who could blame him if he did but he forgave him
JO Jackson était un très bon père !
Il est seulement devenu au x yeux de la presse, ce qu'on voulait qu'il soit,
Tout simplement cela !
S'il n'y avait pas eu l'exigence de JO,
Il n'y aurait jamais eu de Michael !
Glad most parents have evolved from physical discipline.Violence promotes fear not love!!
JOE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SO HARD AND MEAN BUT HIS WIFE COULDN'T SAY BUT SO MUCH BUT I GIVE HER CREDIT SHE SPOKE UP COMPARED TO OTHER WOMEN BACK IN THAT TIME. JOE WAS BEATING MICHAEL AND SHE SCREAMED STOP IT JOE YOU'RE GONNA KILL HIM HE DID STOP AND WALKED OUT.
A man will raise his sons to be like him: responsible, honorable and God-fearing.
Joe did all of that very well.
Imagine having all of those sons and you do nothing to help make them responsible, loving, God-fearing men. The opposite would be a tragedy.
It is not abuse they underwent. It is called discipline.
RIP Mr. Joe Jackson and his son Mr. Michael Jackson.
❤️🤗❤️🤗🎼🎹🕊️🕊️🐑📖✝️🛐🙏
Exactly! And I went to a very diverse school, but the thing we almost all had in common was that we got hit when we did something wrong!! It was called correction, LOL!!
@@leahartlee29
🤗👍💯🤣 You gotta love our parents.
I was lucky to not fall too far off the tree. But when I did, I learned the hard way fast ... Not with beatings but by lectures and occasional fists matches (not much but enough to make me say: "Stop, this is stupid!"). 😅
Cringe. Being god-fearing is cringe, and abusing your children under the guise of strengthening their resolve is psychopathic shit. You and anybody who thinks like you should never be a parent, you would be monstrous to children.
you do realized he physically and verbally abused michael and he would always tell him he was ugly and made fun of his nose
Both things can be true at the same time, yes he did a great job pushing their careers but he was also abusive to them, including his wife.
Why would Joe Jackson been Abusive as they claim if his children were successful Music Artist They were bringing in money 💰. Taking care of there parents.
Joe Jackson was a good Black, male parent.
He MADE his kids becomt something great.
you do realized he physically and verbally abused michael and he would always tell him he was ugly and made fun of his nose
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908 I don't believe it.
And none of us was in that household to know what actually happened.
@@missshannon9790 ive seen an interview where michael literally said he used to make fun of his nose and his looks, if you think michael was lying i guess thats up to you
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908there was never any proof of that and Michael even said a fan or fans said “That’s ugly Michael Jackson, Yuck. His nose is too big, he’s got pimples” . Someone else even stated that on here as well and they state it in the miniseries and Maragaret Maldonado’s book.
@@sjsjdjshwjwk2908what interview was that?
Tito cleared his father name in an interview. He said his father wasn't abusive to them. He was very stricted with them. All the Jackson brothers, including Mike, said they didn't understand why until they we older. Tito said he glad his father was tough on him because he could've ended up like some of his friends who was in prison, on drugs or dead. Tito also said the movie dramatized his father character when it came to the whoopings.
I felt bad for Michael Jackson living through his life with his cruel father he shouldn’t have this problem growing up
I've red and heard written about Joe Jackson, but the relationship between Joe and Michael seems complicated.
Let's just cut the childish mahave ... Blah blah blah. Joseph was a great dad. Don't we wish he was eeeverybody's ... REMEMBER MICHAEL WAS HIS SON FIRST EVERY SINCE HE WAS BORN. Weeeeeee didn't Know who Michael was no matter how we say we Looooooo❤ve him... Until he appeared on T.V in 1968... And we only heard stories after that. Michael never showed us bruises Joseph would leave on him or never did they ever say Joseph went to Jail or prison or he was a drunk or he did drugs or he smoked too much ... NONE of that and it was Parents that wouuuuld do all of those things and go to jail smoked and dranked in FRONT of your face ans will still WHIP your A$$$$$ for bull Snot!! Or tell you not to do something they would abd punish you for that and say you're too young and you do as I SAY not as I do? And when they Trashed those hotel.rooms dtopping water balloons on people's heads outta the windows and pillow fights and all kinds of crazy stuff WHAT DID MICHAEL.EVER SAY JOSEPH DONE ABOUT THAT? ... DID THEY GET TORE UP LIKE MOST PARENTS WOULD HAVE DONE? OR DID MICHAEL JUST EXPRESS HOW MUCH FUN THEY HAD? Think about that AND you have to realize back in the day Teaching your children how to behave always showed the results because of what they practiced in the home FIRST...Those Kids were kind and respectful because of how JOSEPH BROUGHT THEM UP. THEY PROBABLY CALLED HIM JOSEPH SO THEY WOULD REALIZE HE WAS MORE THAN JUST DAD!! Think ABOUT what he had to go through STAIR STEP TO KEEP THAT FAMILY TOGETHER. WHEN I GOT MY ASS WHIPPED IT WAS BY BOTH THAT RAISED ME AND MY MOM WHEN SHE HAD ME... BACK IN THE DAY IF YOU HAD A STRICT HOME.. WE ALL GOT IT...HE DIDN' T JUST PICK ON MICHAEL get a LIFE!! And put the stones down!!$ ❤ JOSEPH KNEW WHO MICHAEL WAS WAY BEFORE WE DID AND WHO DO YOU THINK GOT THOSE SHY GUYS ON STAGE AND TO THE TOP? JOSEPH!!! IN THE END that's all your hear is how JOSEPH pushed them on stage and do better than better or don't do it at all... Think if it wasn't for Joseph MICHAEL probably wouldn't have gotten on that stage. He was affaid to do a whole lot of things but he had his DADDY behind him. They all turned out like they did. And I saw Michael celebrate Joseph before and say what a great DAD he was along with what he didn't like about him. BUT you have to take the good with the bad back then. MICHAEL was as sweet and Kind and responsible as he was back then because of his parents and all of his siblings coming up with them minding their positions as well. SO before we complaim about how hard JOSEPH was on MICHAEL and like he said he gurgitated all the way to the bank. Even gave him whatever he deserved. Michael wasn't always an angel people thought. Remember when his mother's jewlery was missing? Well she found out later he was sneaking it out of the house to give it to his teacher. Was that sweeet or awful? 😢😢😢 STILL.HE WAS HUMAN and HE DIDN' T MAKE IT TO THAT STAGE ALONE... ❤❤❤ he had LOVE and patience from others behind that. Put two and two together and remember how you came up. Stop thinking about the little scenes we just caught on tv or the negative parts of their lives which we don't know what was behind the inside of it all. JOSEPH had to face the true Michael as well...did anybody listen to his side of the story? It took two for things to turn out for who we saw on that stage and love now as we do as such a famous person we enjoyed for decades until his death. But he didn't just jump out of the sky and chose to live how he did. REST in Heaven Great father and MJ.. I know he's still getting your props. How they buried their dad together with every single CHILD there to say Good bye. Let you know what was up and he was always there for them. That's one thing they always said about him. They see him cheering them on and remind them they are A JACKSON before they step on that stage... And you see the magic you fell in love with since 1968. 2009 RIP MJ. Amen
Weeeeeeeeeeeee THANK YOooooou. ❤😢
IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN SAID BETTER THAN THE WAY YOU JUST SAID IT
Every child loves his father inside his/her heart forever.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I think even though Joe was strict and
disaplined Mike and his brothers. The upside I believe helped them to be the best they could be. Joe knew how hard it was to make it because he failed at it and wanted the best for his sons. Even though he went a bit over board.
Marshall discipline came from the slave times. Black fathers raised their kids like that because their fathers raised them like that. Joe and katherine raised the best musical family in the world, period🤷🏿
The way micheal described his father was wicked abuse no excuses.
bro is a blessing in disguise
but a curse too because all that abuse messed up michael on the inside
Joe Jackson looks like Blacula
Joe Jackson wasn't the best father in the world. Nobody's father was perfect, but without Joe, we wouldn't be introduced to the King of Pop
Exactly 💯 % He only wanted the best for them. Critics sees it another way.
NO MICHAEL WITHOUT JOE...NO JOE $$$ WITHOUT MICHAEL..YA DIG?? 😉
Our dad was strict with us and hit us with belts, shoes, hands. We stayed having our dad in our lives too.
I didn't let being hit bother me. I just dealt with it and moved on.
Michael Jackson probably had worse abuse than we did.
Without he's Vather, He never would be, The Best one! I love Michael
Michael talked about a woman in Virginia wanted to know where Michael was. When she realized that Michael had grown into a teenager, she was very disappointed. If you ask me, there is more truth to this story than Joe Jackson denigrating him.
If Joe was " abusive" during that time then all of our parents were abusive. We all got our ass whooped, Mike made money from his we just learned discipline. Jermaine said it . Joe was stern and hard white people interpret that to being abused.
Exactly
How can ppl make excuses for him. If it wasn’t for him he wouldn’t be famous blah blah blah. If it wasn’t for him he also wouldn’t be mentally tormented and disturbed. His fathers job as his manager was to be his protector and advocate and he failed miserably. I’d much rather he was protected and failed in the industry like wtf.. Y’all love celebrities only if they’re serving you with performance and content to consume. Everyone got greedy and took advantage of Michael his whole life, it’s so fucking sad. Even beyond the grave y’all being hella selfish with how you view his upbringing… “he needed that to be the star he was” maybe we don’t deserve any more great stars. Y’all ruin them. Smh. Selfish and always disappointing humans. No one stands up for anyone anymore unless there’s incentive. 😢
Nothing abusive about it.
Sometimes you have to kick butt in order to get things done, especially when dealing with teenagers.
Being strict on your kids and giving them tough love is fine. I get it, sometimes you need to be a little harsh on em but at the same time, they shouldn't be terrified of you.
When yall going to talk about the Deberge father... The real abuser
I know no matter Michael hate still love father. thank to father help sing make more money give to children grow up in future right now.
I hope joe apologized to Michael and told him how proud he was of him . If he didn't he was the ultimate narcissist.
Oh no....your father's looking like Jr. My real baby by HenryLou.
MJ loved his father. Anyone who has a father from the 1950s knows fathers aren't perfect. Joe was born in 1928. A father's job is to discipline, structure, and protect. Not to coddled BS. Any issues go get therapy. Without Joe, Mike wouldn't have reached greatness. Y'all need to stop playin'.
❤I hear and understand, it was a Very different time....not easy for parent or child.😏✌️
@cynthiafernandezhaliday9448 Yeah, as a BW that had a strict father, a lot of kids (black kids particularly) need more Joe's in the house. If we had more Joe's, I guarantee you Black kids would be well-behaved.
@jayperk0576 Without Joe, they wouldn't be great. They all have enough money for therapy.
Totally agree, if i was famous and told about the A**'whippings i got as a kid from my mom's, the public would paint picture more than it was.Joe raised 10 kid's during the 60& 70s, .
Unless you was bought up in the ghetto, I'm not sure you'd understand. Joe was a great father. Great. All his kids made something of themselves, none ever went to jail. None ever got killed, and none was on drugs a kid. Michael wasn't a father so I'm not sure he'd understand how hard that is. Did he have to whoop them when they messed up a dance move, no he didn't. That's scary for a kid. But I won't call him a bad father.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Joe Jackson looks like a devil 😮..
Ya but look what it cost Michael his life....
I think Joe did damn Good personally. None of them became criminals and horrible ppl. MJ was sensitive and rightfully so he became so big at such a young age. He had to deal with a conflicting society where ppl didn't like blacks but loved him. Like this wasn't just Joe. I never heard them say Catherine was beat up, I never heard them say any of them were flat out beat down. He talked shit and probably said stuff to push them that was hurtful. Still wrong but they didn't grow up in some horrific horror house!
Actually MJ Looks like his Father 🤔🤔🤔
It’s crazy nobody bashes Terrace Crawford mother as much as they bash Joe Jackson and he the one that actually made all his kids successful and terrace Crawford didn’t even teacher her son how to box…
Joe Jackson was a good black father to his beautiful black children
I think that people also have to understand how Joseph’s upbringing informed and influenced his parenting. Not excusing anything, but just do a quasi root analysis. Joe was born during the Jim Crow era. Life was extremely, extremely hard and traumatic for Black people and that impacted the family dynamic immensely.
He was a disciplinarian.
listen my dad was very strict and very straight forward and i didn't end up on the streets and have a successful and blessed career, so dad's going to be dad's 🤷🏻♂️
Most black children fail anyway
No I was not aware of making fun of Mike's nose & name calling. I Don't agree with that . Abuse is never good. "But can we give Joe credit for his role in his family's success ? Nobody's perfect.
Even if they got along after a while I still think Joespeh is horrid.
You know what, while I was editing this, I had a clip of an interview where Joe laughed at the interviewer when asked about being abusive to Michael. So horrible joe was, but without him, we wouldn't of had michael
@@mjshowandtellwe all can agree that joe it's awful. but how love can be born in hate...
Michael it's just a miracle, raised of a tragedy. Joe help born a legend.
@@mjshowandtellwell I mean if I had to talk about that then I would’ve probably given a little awkward laugh too, he was probably uncomfortable talking about it, and his body just made him smile a little from awkwardness. I don’t think he’s a good father still, but glad to see that there’s people like you that know without him, we wouldn’t have Michael.
I always suspected, that his father didn't "just" hit him hard..but even worse..😢