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I'm so glad to have you we got some fun stuff going on in discord and on the message boards but most importantly I'm glad I'm making stuff you enjoy ... but to be fair, I'm totally open for shilling products if anyone has some.
I just wanted to say thank you for all of your content and still making videos with the same surprising efficiency and quality that made me subscribe in the first place. Keep doing god's work. Even if you only have four lands.
I managed to get my hands on all four C17 decks at wholesale pre-ordered just to teach people MTG. The Inalla deck I no longer let newbies pick because it's just extremely cerebral. I think I'm now ready to take her apart, thanks for the great tips!
It's really three decks but I don't think that's a horrible thing. WOTC regularly includes a main strategy and a side strategy in these precons. I like the room for tinkering that gives us. This one does seem particularly difficult for a new player though. Way to be! Teaching newbies commander! Good on you.
Similar to the earlier example with Disciple of Bolas, you can have Venser ability resolve first to bounce himself, then let the token come into play to bounce your intended target. Essentially 3UU: return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand. Sort of like capsize with buyback but 1 less generic.
There is another Combo with Ashnod´s Altar and Bloodline Necromancer: With Ashnod´s Altar in play: Cast the Necromancer and copy it with Inalla, then sacrifice the original to the Altar and bring it back with the Reanimation-Trigger of the copy. Rinse-Repeat-Victory.
Even with an Altar of Dementia or a Spawning Pit. Due to the absurd amount of reanimation even in the pre-con there are so many triggers to abuse again and again. Never waste the potential of your disposable minions.
A neat combo with Venser is: Venser enters the battlefield, his trigger targets another spell or permanent. Inalla puts a token copy of him onto the battlefield, his trigger goes on the stack, targeting the non-token Venser. Legends rule kicks in, you sacrifice the token Venser. Token Vensers trigger resolves, bouncing your non-token Venser, then non-token Venser's trigger resolves, bouncing the spell or permanent. You basically have a cheaper repeatable Capsize that can also returns spells. Edit: I see you already know about this combo from the comments. But it would have been a great thing to mention in the video. Possibly along with the Animate Dead combo.
i can't wait to see how you handle the other commanders in this deck. i run Mairsil the Pretender and he is one of my all time favorite commanders from the moment i started playing with him. I have won so many games because of his ability to out of no where lock down the board and stall out until you just win.
Oh! I love that Worldgorger Dragon combo! I've never even heard of that card before! That's going into my Inalla deck since mine is reanimator focused!
Paradox Engine works great in this deck. Since comet storm comes with it, I was able to copy that spell with Swarm Intelligence, generate 10+ floating mana using paradox engine tricks and Kess, and then knock out two opponents in 1 turn. Wizards pre-con is a giant sleeper, especially when all of your friends bought dragons and vampires.
Currently Naban and Panharmonicon are a mudst for this deck. You could also add Naru Meha. Sundial of the infinte is amazingly strong in this deck and Rite of Replication with Master of Waves can make for a very cool beatdown. I personally dont like combo so i look for other wincons. If you are drawing tons The Locust god can be a nice adition and using the Xenograft like card from Ixn or Artificial evolution can help assemble a Wizard Token Flying Haste Army. Dont forget Athermage for the wizard tutor and maybe sidisi?
I dig this commander. Just unveiled mine at my last nerd nite. Had no intention at winning. Control and card draw ftw. Nin the Pain Artist is a card drawing beast. Recursion and Removal. Out of 4 opponents I killed 3 :) and royaly screwed the 4th. Got a finisher out of Vendictive Lich and hosed the Eldrazi player with Clone Legion + Polymorphist's Jest. He thought he had me at least 5 times.
one of the most fun, easy deck i played recently was just the locust of mana. a ramp commander with an ultra cheap manabase ramp and total destruction of 3 people at once with lots of tokens and even more giant creatures+ the voltron 1 turn kill commander
Jumbo, you have definitely earned a new subscriber (and soon Patreon, gotta wait for payday, sorry :(... ). You deserve much more credit and views! Fantastic content, I've loved all of your Tech's, especially Zada, currently undefeated on MTGO with it!
I'm so glad I'm making stuff you like. I'd love to have you as a Patron (but if money is tight and you need to wait until payday then don't worry about it. Buy yourself another draft at your LGS, bring drinks to your next commander night, etc.) Comments, tweets, shares, likes, and yes, patreon money all help this grow in different ways. Different people will contribute in different ways and I appreciate you all. So thanks Nicholas! I'm glad you're wrecking with Zada.
I started one. I think Marsil is really interesting. Some people might have "heard it all before" ... I haven't found anything new and mind-shattering.
Some of the precon commanders have been pretty ridiculous, but I think that the most ridiculous ones are the ones that work while they're in the command zone since they basically double as an emblem that can be cast as a creature, also once the tax gets to be too much, just don't cast 'em anymore since if the deck is built right, that eminence bonus is good enough without the commander being on the bf
Did you just cover a deck full of ETB effects and not mention Panharmonicon...? Also, Sundial of the Infinite lets you keep all the wizard copies Inalla makes for just an extra 1 mana.
Hey nothing wrong with what you said but to explain Sundial's interaction with the tokens is you have to wait until the next end step before you use the Sundial as simply ending your turn before the sacrifice at end step is put onto the stack (at the end step) will simply make it that they go away at the next player's end step instead of yours.
Yup, I just didn't feel like typing all that since it's a somewhat well known use for Sundial. I've been using it for Flameshadow Conjuring and Kiki-Jiki shenanigans for a while now lol.
Last week, I combined the Inalla Wizard Tribal deck with Yidris. The only non-wizard creature is Rashmi, and then I included Sunbird's invocation. Imagine that field and then playing Etherium-Horned Sorcerer. I won on the deck's first testing. It was amazingly ridiculous. I need to change a couple of things, but I can't wait to test it again.
It's worth it to add in the potential Yidris cascade triggers and the mana ramp from green, and being able to add Rashmi to the pile. Best case scenario (like above), I get to play 4 free spells for every card cast from hand! However, USUALLY, I should expect 1 free spell from one of the myriad sources as the game begins to ramp up. I think it will be hit or miss for awhile, but that first game was perfect!
A card that would be amazing in here, and I would likely take out fellwar stone, is mana echoes. I play it in my wort deck, and I can only imagine the colorless ramp provided by it
That's a super broken card for sure. A lot of people agree with you because the price jumped up on this card a bit because of the tribal commander sets.
I pointed out a 3 mana version with animate dead. It does require another card for the combo but you get to bounce TWICE AS MUCH STUFF! But yeah Capsize is still pretty strong on its own. So broken.
Technically what you'd want is to have Venser-1 bounce himself, and the token hits the field after that ability has resolved, thus letting you keep it around to sacrifice or attack with haste. What I'm slightly disappointed about with this video is that there was no emphasis placed on the non-creatures that can abuse ETB effects or cards that let you blink your creatures to re-trigger the ETB effects. I guess that is more up to player choice though.
I wonder how well a wizard deck could be and do if it was converted to a 5 color deck? Or if you turned the wizard deck into a zombie styles wizard deck
Did you just tell me that Venser is bad in Inalla? You can Venser for every 2UU that you have untapped until your next turn. You can literally time walk your opponents if they're casting big enough spells. >Cast Venser >copy Venser >copy dies >copy trigger targets Venser >original copies whatever >venser goes back to hand
-When Disciple of Bolas' trigger goes on the stack it HAS TO HAVE A LEGAL TARGET, you can NOT chose the copy of the Disciple because it doesn't exist yet, we chose targets once trigger is placed on the stack not at the resolution (sometimes both but always needs a trigger when placed on the stack)-
Right O_O !! I don't know why I imagined that there was "target" on the card , Magic Videos and Cold Medicine doesn't interact well with my brain, my bad.
There is an other combo between bloodline necromancer and ashnods altar you have not mentiond. Etb, token, sacc the original. Get the oroginal with the etb from the token = infinity colorless mana and infinity hast 3/2 with lifelink.
I like to mention that Sword of the Animist is great in this deck since you as a player should not care about the hasty tokens surviving combat after there ETB and only care about that get a land attack trigger:P
That would cost a lot of mana to comtinually equip the blade though. It is good, but just for ramp then there could be better card, especially when you don't have creature out. Furthermore, just attacking in general generates hate at you.
Have you considered doing a deck tech on Kess? I see dozens of guides for a storm deck with her (and anyone would be remiss NOT to run Mizzix's Mastery in her deck) but I have yet to see a well made guide for her to be an instants/ sorceries good stuff deck. I have also considered running her as a graveyard commander combined with several wheels.
I'm not very good at deckbuilding so if this is a stupid question sorry but, is it a good idea to have both Wanderwine Profits and the Worldgorger combo in one deck or is having both just redundant and doesn't do anything for me?
For sure. I spent to most money on an expensive mana base. There are only a few cards that are really blowing the budget (snapcaster, vendillion clique, mistbind clique, kid jace, glen elendra) These are awesome but you don't need them at all. There are other solid wizards that can easily replace them. You can also look for more budget friendly spells (like running spell swindle instead of that mana drain I included). I hope that helps. Also check out my budget win conditions video to see how those can compliment a wizards control package. Good luck!
But you can be the most shit talking guy at the table and not die....or be the quitest person and die first. Sometimes people just target you due to the commander you have without even knowing what your playing....politics are really hard to explain...cause it REALLY depends on whos playing on whst happens.
That card changes the game so much! It can be insane. I have played against other players who could use it better than me. Oh what I would give to have this in my elf deck :)
Jumbo Commander venser also bounces spells which means you can pay five to keep that craterhoof or board wipe in their hand possibly putting off their huge plays indefinitely.
LOL mentioned this before but Blade of Selves or Rite of Replication can be devastating on those 2 wizards especially adding Exquisite Blood. Been a fan of Dire Fleet Ravager since it showed up:) Thanks Jumbo and Arthur for mentioning that.
I have been wondering, does Inalla, Sol Ring, and Isochron Sceptre/Dramatic Reversal do infinite drain? I mean, tap Inalla for ability untap with Sceptre Tap again Profit?
Sadly no, tapping 5 wizards is part of the cost so it has to be "paid all at once" you don't have the opportunity to pay the cost in "installments" as you go off.
4:15 and 7:15 Doesn't work if one will die... Both the copy and the original both have to live for their respective abilities to resolve... Killing one of your creatures means only one of the abilities will resolve, not both.
Triggers resolve independently of their source (once they have been triggered killing the source doesn't stop the trigger). This interaction works because Disciple doesn't target. If it did, then it wouldn't work because you would have to declare its target when it's going to the stack and at that point there's no copy to sacrifice. Since it doesn't target, when each goes to resolve you have a Disciple to sacrifice for each and as I said killing the first one doesn't make its trigger disappear
Yep, Here is a good explanation with rules annotations: boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/7893/does-an-ability-resolve-if-the-source-of-the-ability-leaves-the-battlefield
You a completely missed the infinite hasty puppeteer clique tokens just by using ashnods alter and mimic to counter the persist counters. Many games I have won simply by swinging with everything that was in everyone's yards
Time stream navigator seems so stupid in this, for six mana take a turn by making a token and activating it then activate the real time stream's ability.
If it isn't your style cards like grave betrayal or even the scarab god can be game winning cards. Make sure you have enough win conditions so you don't just durdle with wizard value all game and never win.
Jumbo Commander Plenty of one card win cons available, Vicious Shadows being a particularly effective one. The reason I heavily dislike infinites is because it's like bringing an assault rifle to a martial arts tournament. Sure, you may have won (even very quickly), but your victory means very little/ has no value.
Shea Jones Triggered huh...well, you're gonna have to do better than that. Enlighten me. Under what circumstances does an infinite combo win have value, according to you? I was talking specifically about infinite combos. The way I see it: you get your combo pieces, through draw...or more often than not...through tutoring. You play them and go nuts, which oftentimes just insta-wins you the game. If winning (by whatever means) is how you derive enjoyment out of Commander, there is your value. If, however, you value player interaction...(through back-and-forths), ingenuity (through observation & decision making) and inspiration (through unpredictable gameplay), well...you're gonna find very little of that in a game of "I got all my combo pieces, now I go infinite so I win".
whateverman187 interaction is how you stop infinite combos. Counter spells, artifact destruction, and other types of destruction just make the combo useless and usually leaves that player dead in the water
Finally signed up for Patreon. By far my favorite EDH content. Not overproduced, no shilling of products, no SUPER HAPPY FUN TIME overly excited tone. Just good information, presented well. Perfect.
I'm so glad to have you we got some fun stuff going on in discord and on the message boards but most importantly I'm glad I'm making stuff you enjoy ... but to be fair, I'm totally open for shilling products if anyone has some.
I agree with this 100% I'm so tired of overly excited content, nice to see a regular creator talking
Shill yourself man, that's the best product you have!
Excellent work, good sir! Thank you for all you do!
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This is a fantastic video; extremely well made. I was looking to make a Grixis wizard deck, and this has provided such great insight -- many thanks.
I just wanted to say thank you for all of your content and still making videos with the same surprising efficiency and quality that made me subscribe in the first place.
Keep doing god's work.
Even if you only have four lands.
I managed to get my hands on all four C17 decks at wholesale pre-ordered just to teach people MTG. The Inalla deck I no longer let newbies pick because it's just extremely cerebral. I think I'm now ready to take her apart, thanks for the great tips!
It's really three decks but I don't think that's a horrible thing. WOTC regularly includes a main strategy and a side strategy in these precons. I like the room for tinkering that gives us. This one does seem particularly difficult for a new player though. Way to be! Teaching newbies commander! Good on you.
Similar to the earlier example with Disciple of Bolas, you can have Venser ability resolve first to bounce himself, then let the token come into play to bounce your intended target. Essentially 3UU: return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand. Sort of like capsize with buyback but 1 less generic.
Oh man I dig this. It's pretty combo, based on a precon, and...I don't even remember but it's so well explained. Touche Jumbo. Touche.
Thanks!
There is another Combo with Ashnod´s Altar and Bloodline Necromancer:
With Ashnod´s Altar in play: Cast the Necromancer and copy it with Inalla, then sacrifice the original to the Altar and bring it back with the Reanimation-Trigger of the copy. Rinse-Repeat-Victory.
NICE, there are so many nast synergies with this deck. Ashnod's Altar is also just a disgusting card ... love it :D
Even with an Altar of Dementia or a Spawning Pit. Due to the absurd amount of reanimation even in the pre-con there are so many triggers to abuse again and again. Never waste the potential of your disposable minions.
Cant wait to see you come back to inalla with the wizards released for Dominaria.
beautifull video, great intro music and visuals. great quality
A neat combo with Venser is:
Venser enters the battlefield, his trigger targets another spell or permanent.
Inalla puts a token copy of him onto the battlefield, his trigger goes on the stack, targeting the non-token Venser.
Legends rule kicks in, you sacrifice the token Venser.
Token Vensers trigger resolves, bouncing your non-token Venser, then non-token Venser's trigger resolves, bouncing the spell or permanent.
You basically have a cheaper repeatable Capsize that can also returns spells.
Edit: I see you already know about this combo from the comments. But it would have been a great thing to mention in the video. Possibly along with the Animate Dead combo.
i can't wait to see how you handle the other commanders in this deck. i run Mairsil the Pretender and he is one of my all time favorite commanders from the moment i started playing with him. I have won so many games because of his ability to out of no where lock down the board and stall out until you just win.
Oh! I love that Worldgorger Dragon combo! I've never even heard of that card before! That's going into my Inalla deck since mine is reanimator focused!
Nice!
Paradox Engine works great in this deck. Since comet storm comes with it, I was able to copy that spell with Swarm Intelligence, generate 10+ floating mana using paradox engine tricks and Kess, and then knock out two opponents in 1 turn. Wizards pre-con is a giant sleeper, especially when all of your friends bought dragons and vampires.
Currently Naban and Panharmonicon are a mudst for this deck. You could also add Naru Meha. Sundial of the infinte is amazingly strong in this deck and Rite of Replication with Master of Waves can make for a very cool beatdown. I personally dont like combo so i look for other wincons. If you are drawing tons The Locust god can be a nice adition and using the Xenograft like card from Ixn or Artificial evolution can help assemble a Wizard Token Flying Haste Army. Dont forget Athermage for the wizard tutor and maybe sidisi?
I dig this commander. Just unveiled mine at my last nerd nite. Had no intention at winning. Control and card draw ftw. Nin the Pain Artist is a card drawing beast. Recursion and Removal. Out of 4 opponents I killed 3 :) and royaly screwed the 4th. Got a finisher out of Vendictive Lich and hosed the Eldrazi player with Clone Legion + Polymorphist's Jest. He thought he had me at least 5 times.
Oh, and the Niv Mizzets and the sphinx wizard. Not exactly tinnie. (not hudge either i know)
one of the most fun, easy deck i played recently was just the locust of mana. a ramp commander with an ultra cheap manabase ramp and total destruction of 3 people at once with lots of tokens and even more giant creatures+ the voltron 1 turn kill commander
For a long time I used the Melody in the Backgrond as my Ringtone, started searching my phone when I heard it
I love this channel!! Great job with the video!
Jumbo, you have definitely earned a new subscriber (and soon Patreon, gotta wait for payday, sorry :(... ). You deserve much more credit and views! Fantastic content, I've loved all of your Tech's, especially Zada, currently undefeated on MTGO with it!
I'm so glad I'm making stuff you like. I'd love to have you as a Patron (but if money is tight and you need to wait until payday then don't worry about it. Buy yourself another draft at your LGS, bring drinks to your next commander night, etc.)
Comments, tweets, shares, likes, and yes, patreon money all help this grow in different ways. Different people will contribute in different ways and I appreciate you all. So thanks Nicholas! I'm glad you're wrecking with Zada.
Fantastic video Jumbo Commander!! Can you do a Mairsil the Pretender deck tech?
I started one. I think Marsil is really interesting. Some people might have "heard it all before" ... I haven't found anything new and mind-shattering.
Jumbo Commander Either way keep up the fantastic work!!
Some of the precon commanders have been pretty ridiculous, but I think that the most ridiculous ones are the ones that work while they're in the command zone since they basically double as an emblem that can be cast as a creature, also once the tax gets to be too much, just don't cast 'em anymore since if the deck is built right, that eminence bonus is good enough without the commander being on the bf
Did you just cover a deck full of ETB effects and not mention Panharmonicon...?
Also, Sundial of the Infinite lets you keep all the wizard copies Inalla makes for just an extra 1 mana.
Hey nothing wrong with what you said but to explain Sundial's interaction with the tokens is you have to wait until the next end step before you use the Sundial as simply ending your turn before the sacrifice at end step is put onto the stack (at the end step) will simply make it that they go away at the next player's end step instead of yours.
Yup, I just didn't feel like typing all that since it's a somewhat well known use for Sundial. I've been using it for Flameshadow Conjuring and Kiki-Jiki shenanigans for a while now lol.
Just remember that panharmonicon doesn't trigger Inalla.
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Panharmonicon will double her Wizard etb trigger if you have her on the battlefield, just not when she's in the command zone.
Chilly Jack casting inalla is silly when you can just win without even casting her
Eminence is stupid as hell
Last week, I combined the Inalla Wizard Tribal deck with Yidris. The only non-wizard creature is Rashmi, and then I included Sunbird's invocation. Imagine that field and then playing Etherium-Horned Sorcerer. I won on the deck's first testing. It was amazingly ridiculous. I need to change a couple of things, but I can't wait to test it again.
prufrock1977 Omg that sounds hilarious! XD Cascade is amazing. If only it'd be etb effect.
That sounds really cool. It stinks that you don't always have access to that eminence trigger,
That is juicy, I love it.
It's worth it to add in the potential Yidris cascade triggers and the mana ramp from green, and being able to add Rashmi to the pile. Best case scenario (like above), I get to play 4 free spells for every card cast from hand! However, USUALLY, I should expect 1 free spell from one of the myriad sources as the game begins to ramp up. I think it will be hit or miss for awhile, but that first game was perfect!
Any chance to have a look to your decklist?
A card that would be amazing in here, and I would likely take out fellwar stone, is mana echoes. I play it in my wort deck, and I can only imagine the colorless ramp provided by it
That's a super broken card for sure. A lot of people agree with you because the price jumped up on this card a bit because of the tribal commander sets.
Just bought this commander, only $1.35, I wonder why it’s so cheap, seems like a really good card. Can’t wait to work on this deck
I feel dumb but how does the mistbind clique combo work to go infinite ?
Jumbo please tell me you didn't miss that venser is a capsize in inalla?? I have won so many games because of him lol
I pointed out a 3 mana version with animate dead. It does require another card for the combo but you get to bounce TWICE AS MUCH STUFF! But yeah Capsize is still pretty strong on its own. So broken.
But I meant too say that the token can bounce venser back too hand as well so you get triple the vaule!! It's so amazing
Technically what you'd want is to have Venser-1 bounce himself, and the token hits the field after that ability has resolved, thus letting you keep it around to sacrifice or attack with haste. What I'm slightly disappointed about with this video is that there was no emphasis placed on the non-creatures that can abuse ETB effects or cards that let you blink your creatures to re-trigger the ETB effects. I guess that is more up to player choice though.
I wonder how well a wizard deck could be and do if it was converted to a 5 color deck? Or if you turned the wizard deck into a zombie styles wizard deck
Did you just tell me that Venser is bad in Inalla?
You can Venser for every 2UU that you have untapped until your next turn.
You can literally time walk your opponents if they're casting big enough spells.
>Cast Venser
>copy Venser
>copy dies
>copy trigger targets Venser
>original copies whatever
>venser goes back to hand
No, venser is very very good
-When Disciple of Bolas' trigger goes on the stack it HAS TO HAVE A LEGAL TARGET, you can NOT chose the copy of the Disciple because it doesn't exist yet, we chose targets once trigger is placed on the stack not at the resolution (sometimes both but always needs a trigger when placed on the stack)-
Bolas' trigger does not target. This makes it different than a lot of other interactions.
Right O_O !! I don't know why I imagined that there was "target" on the card , Magic Videos and Cold Medicine doesn't interact well with my brain, my bad.
There is an other combo between bloodline necromancer and ashnods altar you have not mentiond.
Etb, token, sacc the original. Get the oroginal with the etb from the token = infinity colorless mana and infinity hast 3/2 with lifelink.
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Yeah, that checks out.
I like to mention that Sword of the Animist is great in this deck since you as a player should not care about the hasty tokens surviving combat after there ETB and only care about that get a land attack trigger:P
That would cost a lot of mana to comtinually equip the blade though. It is good, but just for ramp then there could be better card, especially when you don't have creature out. Furthermore, just attacking in general generates hate at you.
Have you considered doing a deck tech on Kess? I see dozens of guides for a storm deck with her (and anyone would be remiss NOT to run Mizzix's Mastery in her deck) but I have yet to see a well made guide for her to be an instants/ sorceries good stuff deck. I have also considered running her as a graveyard commander combined with several wheels.
I started on a deck tech but it felt very "generic" it felt like, "Here are good grixis spells .... the end."
I'm not very good at deckbuilding so if this is a stupid question sorry but, is it a good idea to have both Wanderwine Profits and the Worldgorger combo in one deck or is having both just redundant and doesn't do anything for me?
Looks great is there any budget alternative? Cause the budget to upgrade is.... a pain in my back for my casual playstyle ;p
For sure. I spent to most money on an expensive mana base. There are only a few cards that are really blowing the budget (snapcaster, vendillion clique, mistbind clique, kid jace, glen elendra) These are awesome but you don't need them at all. There are other solid wizards that can easily replace them. You can also look for more budget friendly spells (like running spell swindle instead of that mana drain I included). I hope that helps. Also check out my budget win conditions video to see how those can compliment a wizards control package. Good luck!
Thanks I'll check all I'll try to build my own list and post it. Great channel man
DO A POLITICS VIDEO, like, how to behave in a 4/5 multiplayer match in order to win!!!
I love politics. I need to think of a format that's interesting to watch but I have a lot to say on the subject.
But you can be the most shit talking guy at the table and not die....or be the quitest person and die first. Sometimes people just target you due to the commander you have without even knowing what your playing....politics are really hard to explain...cause it REALLY depends on whos playing on whst happens.
How does everyone not just play this deck how fucking cool is it like infinite combos and crazy wizard shit. Bruh
Out of the 4 decks WOTC released this year, Wizards were the funniest, most surprising deck on the table
I have a fun little suggestion for the deck. A good old classic card. Intruder Alarm. :) It's even a sub-$10 card currently.
That card changes the game so much! It can be insane. I have played against other players who could use it better than me. Oh what I would give to have this in my elf deck :)
Does venser's copy still trigger?? So as like play venser, bounce something then bounce venser with the copy for use again.
Yes it does. Venser + Inalla is essentially a 5 mana capsize with buyback :D
Jumbo Commander venser also bounces spells which means you can pay five to keep that craterhoof or board wipe in their hand possibly putting off their huge plays indefinitely.
Pretty insane control piece once you can build up enough mana!
People who say wizards are small and bad obviously haven't met my best friend, Galecaster Colossus
rite of replication on vela or dire fleet ravager can drain a lot of life from your opponents, or draw the game
Oh yeah! I'm a huge fan of Dire Fleet Ravager. A really interesting wizard.
LOL mentioned this before but Blade of Selves or Rite of Replication can be devastating on those 2 wizards especially adding Exquisite Blood. Been a fan of Dire Fleet Ravager since it showed up:) Thanks Jumbo and Arthur for mentioning that.
So is Kess,Dissident mage is next right lol?
I'll get to her but I have something in the works for her.
I have been wondering, does Inalla, Sol Ring, and Isochron Sceptre/Dramatic Reversal do infinite drain?
I mean,
tap Inalla for ability
untap with Sceptre
Tap again
Profit?
Sadly no, tapping 5 wizards is part of the cost so it has to be "paid all at once" you don't have the opportunity to pay the cost in "installments" as you go off.
Jumbo Commander :(
with legendary wizards, if you make a token do you get the enter the battlefield triggers before the legendary rule takes affect?
Yes
When are we going to get a Lizard Wizard creature type?
time to riot
4:15 and 7:15
Doesn't work if one will die...
Both the copy and the original both have to live for their respective abilities to resolve...
Killing one of your creatures means only one of the abilities will resolve, not both.
Username Unidentified That would be weird. I believe it works fine. Why would it not?
I was wondering about that too. Would the ETB vanish from the stack when it dies? I don't think it does...but I would like confirmation.
Triggers resolve independently of their source (once they have been triggered killing the source doesn't stop the trigger).
This interaction works because Disciple doesn't target. If it did, then it wouldn't work because you would have to declare its target when it's going to the stack and at that point there's no copy to sacrifice. Since it doesn't target, when each goes to resolve you have a Disciple to sacrifice for each and as I said killing the first one doesn't make its trigger disappear
Yep, Here is a good explanation with rules annotations: boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/7893/does-an-ability-resolve-if-the-source-of-the-ability-leaves-the-battlefield
Disciple is targeting a creature as you're choosing a creature.
Killing the first one makes its trigger disappear.
do you have fun playing it? great vid.
My version is a little different and to be honest it wasn't very fun which is why I stressed win conditions so heavily in this video.
Trying to do too many things at once? What would be good wincons for Hapatra?
You a completely missed the infinite hasty puppeteer clique tokens just by using ashnods alter and mimic to counter the persist counters. Many games I have won simply by swinging with everything that was in everyone's yards
great job!
Mila Kunis, Archmage Ritualist
Time stream navigator seems so stupid in this, for six mana take a turn by making a token and activating it then activate the real time stream's ability.
seriously. It's crazy. I don't know ...why ... they .... ugh
2022 update. Obeka brute chronologist is broken I’m this deck
I hate infinite combos so I'll probably go with wheel effects and draw damage effects to win instead
A pitty that Paradox Engine has been banned
XD I got Wizards for a dollar. Check out warstorm surge and Feldon of the third path.
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!
Interesting.
The combo with bloodline necromancer, venser, and ashnod's alter is gross
Still think you should do a relentless rats deck for shits and giggles
Glen elendra is a name of a place not the wizard.
Infinites....eww.
If it isn't your style cards like grave betrayal or even the scarab god can be game winning cards. Make sure you have enough win conditions so you don't just durdle with wizard value all game and never win.
Jumbo Commander Plenty of one card win cons available, Vicious Shadows being a particularly effective one. The reason I heavily dislike infinites is because it's like bringing an assault rifle to a martial arts tournament. Sure, you may have won (even very quickly), but your victory means very little/ has no value.
whateverman187 you're entirely wrong if you think winning by combo has no merit or value
Shea Jones Triggered huh...well, you're gonna have to do better than that. Enlighten me. Under what circumstances does an infinite combo win have value, according to you? I was talking specifically about infinite combos.
The way I see it: you get your combo pieces, through draw...or more often than not...through tutoring. You play them and go nuts, which oftentimes just insta-wins you the game. If winning (by whatever means) is how you derive enjoyment out of Commander, there is your value.
If, however, you value player interaction...(through back-and-forths), ingenuity (through observation & decision making) and inspiration (through unpredictable gameplay), well...you're gonna find very little of that in a game of "I got all my combo pieces, now I go infinite so I win".
whateverman187 interaction is how you stop infinite combos. Counter spells, artifact destruction, and other types of destruction just make the combo useless and usually leaves that player dead in the water
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!
You make the best deck techs
Thank you, you are awesome!