Update: The Roadkill Garage Mopar 360 Debacle - Roadkill Extra
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- Remember the Dodge 360 small-block engine from Roadkill Garage episodes 3 and 4? It was later run on the dyno for Engine Masters episode 14, and then rebuilt, hopped up, and retested for a future Engine Masters. But the machine shop screwed it up pretty badly, so here’s an update from the set of Roadkill Garage on what’s coming next for the powerplant that is supposed to end up in the Vanishing Paint Challenger.
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jesus christ you could use that air compressor in the back as a fallout shelter:D
next episode of roadkill garage you go to the machine shop and ask them wtf they did on this engine...
CrAzYDr1veR I would love to see that episode
There's already shows like that. American Hotrod or Fast&Loud will give you all the drama and bitching you want ;)
I thought maybe they supplied the wrong 'stack height' (1/2 stroke + rod length + piston compression height), but that wouldn't explain the deck being different end to end of the block...
Actually, I don't like decking blocks (other than a few thousands to 'true' it), prefer getting -0- deck or .025" deck via proper stack height of parts...
Won't matter. If they actually knew, they wouldn't have milled everything crooked. When I trust the wrong vendor, I just eat my losses and don't take anything else there.
"That's why they paint tungsten bars gold and put them in the federal reserve"
Dulcich was never seen again
Lol.
You guys have the best
job EVER!
I had a 318 come into my shop running like shit, but it ran. I managed a engine rebuilding shop where we R&R engines and built them in our shop. Anyway, this engine shook like mad and barely got the Dodge van into the shop. So when the guys tore the motor down I had to see what was up with this motor, and I'm glad I did because I never would have believed what the problem. The number three main journal, where the thrust bearing resides in Mopars, was broken clean in half. It broke at an angle so the two halves of the crankshaft were pushing each other around in the motor allowing to run. Unbelievable! The main bearing had spun in the block and trashed it, so we ended up upselling the customer into a 360. They say you can't kill a 318, well this guy came really close!
I would like to see the deck being machined after the first pass, just to see how far out the deck really is and what steps are taken to fix it. Best,
joe Schlotthauer yeah that would be interesting
I always had this fear that I would send my motor to a machine shop and they would biff it up. Thanks for confirming my worst fear.
Still watching and loving all of these shows
I did development work on the 360 during its creation. I don't remember any of us being impressed but it did its heavy vehicle job.
Haha, Dulcich looks like a mad scientist!!! Love it!
Oh, look! It's extra and free again!
Feelin' special!
I had the same thing happened with a Bad local shop which lead me to Reynolds Automotive Machine shop 93305, just east of down town, Super nice guys.
Dulcich's hair FTW.
My MotorTrend subscription is the best money I spend all year for entertainment.
Once the block is machined correctly, whatever intake is used has to be machined to match the block. So every time an intake or fuel system is changed, the intake has to be machined to match. Mopar blocks are super stiff because of the sidewalls extending well below the crankshaft and because of the high nickel content iron they're cast with. It's so much simpler to just have the deck to crank CL , and deck flatness measured instead of machined. These blocks also don't need to be line bored due to their stiffness too. Once in a while the heads have to checked for flatness if there was a head gasket problem.
I love 360 Mopars. It wasn't that long ago you could get one for dirt cheap because for some reason, many people didn't realize they had performance potential---nowadays they're a bit harder to find, and a little more expensive too.
360 Magnums are cheaper and more plentiful and make more power too
@@raymondguzman5083 albiet less reliable
external balancing works. the shop i use to work balanced the internals, put quality balancer and flexplate or flywheels and worked great.
I have this 360 "Chrysler version" engine from a jeep 5.9 with 60k on it... What do you guys think about me shoving it into a volvo 240? headache or doable? "Turbo 350"
mike recently toured us all throughout westech, btw a 340 forged crank swap straight into that 360 and the early 340s were all internal balance until 73, and on that westech note i thought i saw an old kieth black 426 all aluminum engine in their storage area wher the magazine builds are perfect for the crop duster
Unless Dulcich is preparing for a colonial reenactment, maybe Motor Trend can spring for a haircut. :-)
he is literally the american james may..
Dylan Zrim we need top gear USA with dulcich finnengan an and frieburger
Panhead49EL He's great, but this still made me LuLz :-D
He's just growing in his winter coat. He'll shed come spring, trust me.
Looks fine to me!
how come i didnt see this on the amazon prime video? dont think things are updated on there.
Hey I'm getting my first truck in a few months and I was wondering if you could make a video about building up your first truck and stuff to look out for
How about putting a roller cam in that thing and showing us how its done? I've heard that you have to modify the lifter bores and oiling system and id love to see whats involved
It happens with machine shops. My papa told me that happened when he took his 360 to Muscle Motors. Took it to another shop and they shook their head and fixed it. When Chrysler had the 4inch crank for 360s, back in the 2000, he had Muscle Motors do it and they had it in Mopar Magazine.
Don't even get me started on rebuilding a Dodge 360. Years ago I had a friend of mine rebuild a 360 to put in my '73 Dart. This dude was supposed to be a Mopar guy with lots of experience, knew him for years. Just after a few hundred miles the rocker arms were all worn out. (Most likely due to an incorrectly installed cam bearing that prevented oil getting to the rocker arms.) Then came a leaking freeze plug, turned out he didn't replace the freeze plugs. Next thing on the list was a vibration felt inside the car while driving, eventually he admitted the crankshaft wasn't balanced because of the extra cost. (But he never asked me...)
Later I discovered the timing chain was installed incorrectly; the marks did not line up.
So we are talking about four (4!) different amateur mistakes in a single rebuild done by a 'Mopar expert'.
If there is one thing I learned in the car business, it's NOT to trust anyone who presents himself as a 'Specialist'.
you guys ever use the mopar 302 casting head?
Make the 360 Great Again!
that compressor is huge
if the offending machine shop won't fix it right for free you should put their name out so everyone knows not to go there
The Engine Masters episode was stock vs stroker with the 360 and a 410 small block mopar stroker
How big is that air compressor?
Is that a HFT drill press?
Why doe Steve Dulcich remind me of Jeff Daniels in Dumb and Dumber?
Can you guys do a 440 vs hemp episode of engine masters
I would certainly like to see the old 360 rebuilt and appear on an episode of Engine Masters.
Which machine shop was it
WE LOVE ROADKILL!
WOW!!! Dulcich is the only guy I've ever seen who has the same brand of drill-press as I do!!! That green drill-press behind Frieburger is a "Chrysler Machine Tool" 17" Standing Drillpress with a 3/4hp motor, and I have it's little brother, a heavy-duty benchtop 15" with the 1/2hp. Can find absolutely nothing about them online...
Hey, good day. 360s in Oz, were rare. Wog Chariots; Vals were known as! And yes liked all the LA info, that was only recent. I trusted my machine guy and was lucky not to have real tears, due to lost parts. A piston to valve clearance issue, with a nice solid grind, needed the piston valve reliefs cut. I did not check the work. The motor after years and a failed launch in front of many, ran oh so good. Except for the rather marinized look, outa one bank!! A head repair that aborted with the first bit of uneven heating { start up ! } Provided the water feature. On tear down, lovely little faintest marks, showed up the poor workmanship. However in all fairness, I did not measure every pot. So my bad.
Cheers Adam.
Keep at it. Just need the right machine shop.
That air tank/compressor is YUGE.
Great videos haha
mopar has a kit with weights to weld on your torque converter. super cheap super easy. I have it on my 360/380hp magnum crate motor.
how about a la/ magnum hybrid? i know what your thinking la with magnum heads right ? how about the other way around ? magnum bottom with ported la heads ,early magnum was still set up to oil rocker shafts. or you could drill the block . just a thought might save a buck and be easier to find junk yard swaps . factory roller cams small ring pack and better compression than the 70s smog engs . might be worth the time
MEASURE THE ROD LENGTHS. I had a problem with some stretched rods in a 302 build years ago that gave me weird ass deck height inconsistencies.
Wow look at that air tank!
my question is what's better? a 360 mopar small block or a 383 mopar big block if they can both make 500HP naturally aspirated, and they can make that HP target pretty easily.
383 for sure
mallory is tungsten steel alloy used for its ability to be machined...pure tungsten is to hard to be machined easily so David is probably right
Probably right is the best kind of right!
he is right
I don't know why these are so good but they are. Just two dudes you'd hang out with.
I hope it's on both
If they reconditioned stock rods, I'd check rod lengths as well. I don't know if Steve only measured how far in the hole the pistons were before filming this, but that can be rods just as well as a bad deck job. If each piston down a bank is progressively farther in the hole, it's probably the deck job. If it's random, think rods.
Steve reminds me of 'Chief' from "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"
i have a 93 318 is that a magnum
im waiting to see you guys do a 360 mopar stroker build to 408 cu inches with a set of indy head making 600 horsepower..wheres that build??
If i pay for MTOD will some of the money go towards getting dulcheck a decent haircut?
Could you imagine sending the block from a really rare matching numbers car to that shop and they junked it? I would be thinking lawsuit! Completely incompetent!
race the bonemaro or the nascarlo??
Use a 4.25 stroke crank and the Victor heads.
Cool. Still not getting MTOD
Zero deck on a 360? The piston is 070 down the hole!
Rush makes more work, check every inch of the way. Never believe what a machine shop has done.
I used to be an engine sealer for a Holden 6 class that has fairly tight regulation. I have seen blocks decked crooked, heads milled crooked diagonally, engines with bent rods and one engine seemed to have been line bored out of square too,,, it was tight, pulled front and rear main caps and you could see the bearing wear,, on a fresh machined engine. And not a bent crank, though have seen those too.
Though GM managed to make so many of those engines all woppy as well, though never decked crooked. Main tunnels and cam tunnels though are generally very avarage.
This is just bad machining, not the cheats that they kept on trying on! eg stroking the engines 10 thou etc.
As for bad machining from factory, Or bad assembly. A Ford 6 assembled from new with a broken top ring, A Holden with a 9 thou oddity on one main journal, A Holden V8 with 5 thou problem, A Clevo with no centre main thrust shell, Valiant hemis with odd sized lifter bores,, they have an astris on the engine number pad. And you cannot buy oversize lifters any more! That block had been line bored, main studs, torque plate bored and honed, decked,, but was in effect junk .
Maybe they forgot a rod bearing. Maybe?
i wonder what my engine is gonna make on the dyno
I would like to see a video on how you measured the block to determine it was out of spec. That would be interesting.
he showed you with the pistons at tdc
I've used a dial indicator mounted to a magnetic base. Zero the indicator on the deck then rotate it to measure the piston, and rotate the piston to it's highest point.
Can't get Motor Trend in Demand in Germany. I have Prime, but can't get MTOD there.
up until a few days ago, prime was encouraging australians to torrent the grand tour because they werent prepared to open prime video for the region. probably due to server issues but still...
I thought the internet was supposed to be the same everywhere? As in WorldWideWeb? Except where censored...
awesome
I wish I could afford for Steve to build a motor for my 77 dodge B200!
steve dulcich is awesome!
steve dulcich is a genius,been reading his info for years,very intelligent man
That's a big compressor!
I KNOW that you checked the height of each piston BEFORE you took the pistons out of the bore.right Freiburger ?
You would think Dulcich would have a good machine shop on lockdown or at least know where to go for quality work,eh maybe he was just in a hurry or wasn't thinking,not hating on him though he's great,true oldschool performance guy.
He said it was a time crunch. Plus who hasn't been tempted by a good price?
Lesson learned; besides good shops are always bus, had dead line.Took a chance??...
roger depew I hear ya,I've been there myself but I'm a nobody,If Steve Dulcich walked into my shop n said "I want 0 deck height"... He'd get 0 deck height, as any customer should,way too many hacks out there.
Don't hate me but i did development work on this in its beginning. I never felt like we were trying to build anything but a work horse for big vehicles, while we searched for a good replacement.
5hundy, here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Race the Discustang and the Vanishing Paint Challenger!!
can you please tell me does carburetor give you more horsepower then fuel injection i have a 93 dodge Dakota with the 318 if i switch over to carburetor what do i need to do would i have to change the transmission it's ran by the computer
Hoping you don't throw a 4" arm at it. Would like to see some high 400hp numbers from a stock stroke pump gas voodoo roller,ede headed street bruiser.
Maybe this is what Iwant from you guys. Id like to see you take your time and build a engine right. Dont go crazy on parts but use what normal people would use. Make it right as you can see what happens.
Did you get your money refunded on that grinding job?
I thought they compared the 360 to an identically built 360 stroked to 400"...
Put a single turbo 2JZ-GTE on the show please! Boost the stock engine until it pops.
that's the 360 and 318 when they have truck heads, cam and intake. torque down low around 2k and nothing after that.
is this a LA or Magnum engine?
Most likely la because it came out his 70s truck
That's a little piece of Mallory, maybe 3/4" and it's got a lot of room to be moved to the outside of the counterweight, so it has full effect. Normally for a external to internal move, we're talking 1" pieces of heavy metal. Now, those are aftermarket rods, and probably pistons too, so they're lighter than factory stuff, but it's still poor craftsmanship putting heavy metal that far from the CW edge. 0.100 is all you need.
A set of mildly ported W2 heads would easily have you over 500HP.
still have to spin crank on the balancing machine but we would get them dead on. 8000 and over i could see internal balancing, but not an absolute.
I will never give you a single penny no matter how much you beg.
I liked the federal reserve line.
Why would anyone need an air reservoir that big? (1:50) I have a large shop myself and that is crazy
true, but it's probably a OLD 3 phase compressor. They can be found used for pretty damn good prices considering what they are. Lots of shops\manufacturing places that shut down auction them off. Your right a home garage really doesn't need something like that, but the places they came from did, and you can't buy something of comparable quality with a more appropriate size for the same price new, not even close
+animefreak5757 I built it myself. 20hp HD 3 phase, large starter box; pressure switch, big two stage 4cyld pump. Handy for sandblasting.
should have uploaded the roadkill extra where these 2 were talking about old cars vs new cars. sound like a couple of grumpy old men.
OutlawUniverse they did I think
Rumor has it that only dogs can hear Freiberger pronounce his S's.
Hey I have an idea for you... an Anti-Roadkill car. Something with power but nothing crazy, but smooth acceleration, smooth steering, smooth suspension, smooth breaks and quiet quiet quiet.
Todd Abbott
Seems pretty boring to me!
Maybe a little boring, but everybody is about dropped airbag suspension to the floor, or lifted with 37"+ tires, or as much horsepower and torque with straight exhausts. My dream car/truck would be an early 50s Truck body or older with a good 6 cylinder (or small 8) engine that drove like a dream and was quiet and comfortable. Good sound dampening and mufflers, quiet tires, smooth shocks, steering, brakes, and shifting. Nice stereo. Clean on the outside with a wooden deck, shaved emblems, lowered just a touch, tinted windows, white paint job, LED lights, and maybe shaved door handles. Really clean, reliable, and great to drive. I don't need something to do 0-60 in 4 seconds, but enough power to get up and go if needed. I would not want a trailer queen or anything like that... something to drive every day that you would want to drive every day with just enough style to turn heads. Most shoot for performance above everything else, but I want smooth, quiet, and reliable.
fuzzy wuzzy
Wow. That escalated quickly...
Everybody does the high horsepower street racer 4x4 rock climber supercharged nitro baja. Think of something like 5 window 50 Chevy truck with a 6 cylinder Ecoboost engine with an automatic transmission on a custom frame with 4 wheel independant suspension using some old school thick whitewall tires. Add is a good sound system that is crystal clear and make sure it has good heat and AC.
It would be interesting on a finished build with the typical Magnaflow Exhaust and low profile performance tires and test the sound levels at idle, acceleration, and highway speed. Then change the exhaust and tires, adjust the shocks and transmission, add the Dynamat and Lizard Skin, insulate around the engine and wrap the exhaust, and hunt down every rattle, squeak, and whistle. Then compare sound levels. Maybe even test how much certain things affect the noise levels. It should be easy to get a bunch of sponsored products too.
No glory without suffering!
I'm pretty sure Dulcich is the father of Ike from the Cars and Cameras channel. At least an uncle?!
Mopar,baby!
Statimtek fuck you
fuzzy wuzzy Fuck you too : )
You didn't use adam's custom engines before did you?
In Reno?
Could be. Ask the court.
I wish it was Hot Rod On Demand. Cant stomach Motor Trend🤮.
Nice. OPENING with the fucking ads now. MTOD will be the death of Roadkill.
Can you guys build me a nice strong 5.2 for my 996 Jeep Grand Cherokee??
Steve: Will it make 500HP?
me: if you dent the headers and have wasted cam bearings probably......
408 to 420 Stroker build. Cam it and have those Eddy heads u used worked in so they flow. Done...
Wow what a hack job find a shop with a BHJ block true fixture and your decks will be perfect it's what I use at my shop and the deck heights are flawless
Sanders/Dulcich 2020
Finally it's on oh ya in case you wondering what happened my internet and all lights in my house just died and now it's on
Keihiro San no one was wondering but thanks for sharing
Eventually dulcich will be comfortable around cameras and not be so nervous while talking. Friberger on the other hand is way better at talking.
Boat anchor. Shouldn't have chose that one since it's dyno said it was junk. Some times they're just too far gone - can't shine a turd. Machine shop probably did as best they could with what they were working with.