How to start space marines: Buy a ton of terminators because they’re the coolest and try to make them into a workable army with your various SM killteams
All the small mistakes (no shame) Jay makes make it 100× more endearing Like I'm actually talking to someone at a gamestore, and they're just telling me what they know
I feel the same! Instead of feeling like some expert is giving me a presentation/mastercalss, it's just ya boi spitting ideas and theory crafting with ya while you both look at the store shelf and decided what to buy. I love it!
A word of warning to those who are thinking of taking Jay's advice on the blood angels combat patrol, get it while you can. Once the BA refresh hits, they'll redo it like the dark angels one.
I started warhammer three days ago, what does this mean? Also, I called the ultramarines blueberries to a GW manager, and he wanted to kill me in the store...why?
@trashpanda_actual first off, it just means they'll be changing what's in the box, it's a regular thing they do now. The second one, I guess the manager was an Ultramarines player lol
I just started the hobby about a month ago and plan to grab the BA combat patrol, do you think it would be better to wait for the refresh or get it now?
@@HarryANuis-gi9hz The BA combat patrol isn't very BA themed, but it is a decent start point for SM in general. Based off how the DA update went the new combat patrol will probably be worse in every way(less interesting models, still no chapter flavour, no vehicle, less points), so if you like the models in the current BA one you might as well get it while you can.
Thanks for this. As a long time space marine painter who now has the itch to play, this is was exactly what I needed to see. I’ve had no idea who’s actually good and who just looks cool for years now. Nice to hear it from someone with experience who has crunched the numbers
One thing I’d like to add on top of Jays advice is - don’t feel like you’re locked into buying a combat patrol. A lot of the time, the Warhammer/GW employee will push you towards the combat patrol box because it’s either a quick $100 or it’s the ‘done thing’ that they’re told to do by the higher ups. But that’s not what you should always do. Say for example, you don’t like/want 50% of the mini’s in the combat patrol box… don’t just buy the box for the ones you want and then have 10-20 models left over. You absolutely can just build your army 1 unit/ character at a time. Yes it may cost you more money in the long run - but this is an expensive hobby! I play orks, I haven’t bought the combat patrol and I also haven’t broken my bank account because I split the purchases up over a couple years. It is possible to buy an army without a combat patrol. Yes, combat patrols are a good money saving option and can give you a great deal on units and can actually set you up for a very good army composition. But don’t feel like it’s your only option. 😁 Happy hobbying!
was just checking to see if enyone mentioned it, as a deathwing afficinado (284 terminators and counting across my 30k and 40k armies) going from 5+ to 4+ invul and from T¤ to T5 was huge, and with the latest change to deathwing knghts` weapons they are both super tanky and great vs any target. (the 30K/40K split is 47/237 )
👍👍 I'm not in the habit of buying large amounts but over the last couple of years I've aimed for two boxes each of Aggressors, Eradicators, Inceptors and Centurions to be the core of my Salamanders army
Same here, I love gravis! My next purchase will be to get some centurions because space marine inside a space marine... hell yeah! Love the look of them after some modification to get them less stalky looking. (also hello brother of the flame)
With Gladius youre implying that they get to be in the selected doctrine all game. Its only for one turn and you can select all 3 on 3 different turns, just not use the same one on two different turns
The thing of note of the Gladiator is that you can trivially build it in a way that all three variants are accessible to you and you can convert between them in an easy manner, and you don't even need magnets to do so. Also, another reason not to buy the Combat Patrol Space Marines is because those exact same models are in the 10th Edition starter kits, which are cheaper and you get some Tyranid models you can either keep or sell in addition to what is in the Combat Patrol.
In the BA combat patrol you actually get the full kit for Incursors/infiltrators so u can build 5 of either and then if u can source some more phobos bodies (from i dunno oh maybe the reiver bodies sold for super cheap by people parting out the reiver box to just sell heads) you can make another 5 dudes. So if u build 5 infiltrators you can after sourcing the bodies also build 5 Incursors
So do you just paint them as whatever chapter you want to use since they're all space marines? Like could i make the leviathan space marines into Dark Angels?
I recently got into the hobby and I used the ultimate starter box (basically Leviathan) and made the space Marines into Salamanders with some help from the local shop owner.
I have roughly 1k points of space marines, but a lot of it isn't really viable. Bought a firstborn dreadnought and land speeder because they were both cheap and looked adorable, and a predator tank because I figured I could run it as a rhino until I reread the rules and realized "tacticus armor" means Primaris marines, and they don't fit in a rhino. For all my effort trying to save money I think I agree now that that Blood Angel combat patrol would have been a better route. Though I still love my little boxnaught and land speeder.
I would like to mention that Blood Angels Currently are a very Melee focused Chapter with Sons of Sanguinius Detachment, Each time an ADEPTUS ASTARTES unit from your army is selected to fight, if that unit made a Charge move this turn, until the end of the phase, add 2 to the Strength characteristic and add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of melee weapons equipped by models in that unit. A squad of 10Jump Pack Intercessors with most BA Epic Heroes attached as well as a Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack, suddenly becomes around 50 hits that are hard easy to hit and hard to save
Incursors don't give rerolls to hit for the rest of the turn if they hit. They give +1 to hit for the rest of the shooting phase. Still useful when they incur 😂, just in a different way.
Got alot of great info out of this vid! I got back into 40K last year with the leviathan box and have been randomly collecting marines since, not really knowing what units to take or put into a list. Now I feel like I have a direction to build towards, and it's also kinda funny that I was literally planning on buying the BA combat patrol soon XD
Hmmm could convert those Voidsmen into serfs for your chapter. That's a fun idea. Also neat to know I have most of these models. Their kitbashed with loadouts that would make a rules lawyer cry out in agony or burst into laughter or both, but I do have them, so that's neat to know. Anyway thanks for sharing Jay.
Terminators have a 4+ invulnerable save. My local meta seems to favour the spearhead vanguard detachment, even when not using Phobos things. Being able to infiltrate a terminator assault squad with shields is very powerful.
Hey. Neat video. The intercessors picture is of the heavy intercessors. Still a good unit but may confuse people trying to look them up. Also, the librarian in the blood angel's set if a regular, primaris librarian. He can't go with terminators but he is great with things like hell blasters or a big squad of intercessors to keep them alive!
suggestion for actually collecting space marines: buy the Horus Heresy Age of Darkness box set. 40 marine bodies, 10 terminators, land raider, plus a couple of characters. and with just a small purchase of the missile launcher and heavy bolter upgrade box, you can milk even more value out of those 40 marines through building desolation squads and sternguard veteran squads. or if you just want some alternative units, the special weapon upgrades can give you both infernus and hellblaster squads.
All my money was well spent! 80% of the marines you rattled off are sitting on my desk assembled and primed! Lets go! I'm so excited! Love your vids man.
I was literally just looking at blood angel unit's and the combat patrol box set as I started watching this video, not sure if I want to paint a unit just for nostalgia as they're something I painted in my teens
Ya know, I'd actually really like to see a video like this on all the 40k factions. Might be tough for the armies you don't personally know as well, but maybe you could bring some guests on the channel for those? They could give YOU the breakdown the same way you gave to us in this video, and you could even pair it with you and the guest doing some mini-painting of, say, a Kill Team or whatnot of said faction. Could make for a fun series!
That’s not how Gladius works. You can pick each doctrine once during the game or use the “adaptive strategy” strategy to put a unit in whatever doctrine you like
I purchased the starter set with space marines vs tyranids. Can I make the space marines space wolves or do they have to be ultramarines. Also I think lord Calagar is part of the set so idk if I can make him space wolf. If I can make them space wolves would they have different stats the ultramarines?
I know nothing much as ive just started but want the black templars for the look, already painted some space marines but i want some more templar stuff.
True. But I see a solution - these are Horus Heresy kits and 3D prints (for special units, like Apothecaries or Techmarines, or for heraldry elements). MK6 and MK3 are great, despite not the most expressive poses. There are absolutely wonderful upgrade packs to turn them into Devastator squads or Sternguard Veterans with special weapons. The rules from Legends, I'd say, are not very bad at the moment, and, technically, this only limits a participation in major events or tournaments.
Short Answer: Don't. Longer answer: feel free to proxy if your opponent is cool with it. Otherwise there is nothing official you would be able to play, unless you play an army exclusively made up of Terminators and Land Raiders. If you want to play Firstborn, there is always Horus Heresy but you'd be stuck with a specific legion.
Honest question: Why Not just put them on the table and call them Intercessors? Who is going to argue against that outside of the official competitive tournaments?
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 The answer is simple. People who want to run a pure Firstborn army often do not want to have Primarises in their rosters by any means. Even by proxy. It's a principled stand, sort of.
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 Because intercessors lack all the cool guns tacticals can use. I don't want to use intercessors because I don't like the unit. Same goes for almost every primaris unit that has replaced its firstborn equivalent. They are simply less interesting or missing the cool things I liked about them but because they gave them inflated statlines they are simply better ruleswise.
As someone who already thinks aggressors and inceptors are already pretty cool looking, having half to two-thirds of my army made up of them doesn't seem like a huge deal. A few aggressors, a few inceptors, a dreadnought, and then some intercessors to fill out the points making up an army? A-okay by me.
I’m new to tabletop warhammer 40k. My first squad I bought was a regular space marine tactical squad. Did I make a bad choice or can I work them in somewhere?
I’m playing black Templars, I haven’t played a game yet and am still building my army, when I got infiltrators no one was talking. Abt them so I never finished painting them but will def do that now and add them to my list as I see them everywhere now. But my list is -Helbrecht (warlord) -emperors champion - Marshall -intercessor squad x3 - primaris crusader squad - inceptor squad - infernus squad - infiltrator squad - primaris sword brethren - terminator squad - gladiator reaper - impulsor Is this a good list? I feel like I have the must haves for Templars and good units for space marines in general. In total it’s 1,530 points
Hey jay. I’ve got a black Templar army and wanted to know if this is a good army roster? Characters: apothecary Lieutenant in Phobos Captain with plasma pistol x1 impulsor x10 hellblasters x5 assault intercessors with jump packs x5 assault inercessors x3 eliminators x5 infiltrators x3 suppressors
Yeah I'm just doing great nights for right now and after I finish my thousand points then I'm either going to work on sisters of battle or loyalist iron warriors and my current plan for them is raptors and legionnaires and maybe a hellbrute but my main plan currently is one Terminator squad 3 raptor squads three legionnaire squads and two bikers squads which will put me at 905 points giving me enough for either a chaos rhino or another raptor or legionnaire squad or even another bike squad which would be 41 miniatures and with either the extra raptor or legionnaire squad that'll be 46 and with an extra bike squad that would be 44 and with the rhino or the hell brute that would be 42 and yes I know I have to play them as chaos and that's okay so I don't have to paint all that gaudy trim
I have all 4 assassins and I rotate them around. Haven't used Eversor (yet) but I have seen him used as an insanely good anti infantry missile. Will he get taken out next turn? Probably. Have I seen him delete an entire unit of infantry? Yeah
I like that he gives strategic advice with some ideas other players did not come up with. But he also mentions that he is pretty much loosing every game he plays… So people might say his strategies aren’t that great. I like to think he is a brilliant strategist with amazingly bad dice-luck.
So I’m starting a black Templar army and I’m wondering should I buy the space marine codex and the black Templar index or should I just buy the codex or should I just buy the index?
I already have 3 armies (I main space wolves) but now that I've got to grips with the game more I do find myself wanting to do an imperial fist descendant chapter based around anvil siege detachment with gravis armour EVERYWHERE. just sit on obj tanking stuff, blasting with heavy weapons and power fisting anything in the face that comes to close
Pretty chuffed that as a newish/ returning player after 10+ years, my current roster I've been building bit by bit just about has the recommended lineup.
Hang on, how can you troll with the teleport homer exactly? If you put it in one place and your opponent swarms it? Isn't that the only option to send the terminators? How exactly can they enter way across the other side of the board? Is the distance from the homer that big?
Loved this. I recently began my Imperial Fists army and so far I’ve got Redemption Dreadnaught Eradicators Eliminators Terminators Captain w/ master crafted bolter I want to do Agressors, intercessors either heavy or the standard, and possibly inceptors. Does anyone have any other recommendations?
For starting space marines i recommend the photon mono 2 it’s not the biggest plate size so printing space marines is slow but at the price of a combat patrol its worth it since most of the files are free
I'm new here and I'm having some problems understanding a couple of things. I'm looking to buy the Black Templars Combat Patrol. I understand that since they have two key faction words "Adeptus Astartes, Black Templars" I can't mix them with units that have for example "Adeptus Astartes, Space Wolves" but I can mix them with units that only have "Adeptus Astartes"?
@jay saying dont get space marine combat patrol, after i bought it and assembled it (new to the game) but going salamanders and wanted the infernus squad... am i boned?
How to start Space Marines in 10th: have Jay's seemingly unlimited bank account
The power of tax write offs is undeniable…
@@Mosaic117 Can he use tax right offs on warhammer though.
It's a business expense I imagine. @@lizadon0740
@@lizadon0740it is part of his job so maybe.
@@lizadon0740probably.
How to start space marines:
Buy a ton of terminators because they’re the coolest and try to make them into a workable army with your various SM killteams
My mindset exactly after buying the deathwing assault set as my starter box
Duck!
Ay wassup Krakduk
Okay, but why did I do this too! 😭
I'm playing Salamander with Firestorm Assault, and I need vehicles 😂
Hello Duck 💣🦆
Who would have thought that Jay likes space marines
All the small mistakes (no shame) Jay makes make it 100× more endearing
Like I'm actually talking to someone at a gamestore, and they're just telling me what they know
I feel the same! Instead of feeling like some expert is giving me a presentation/mastercalss, it's just ya boi spitting ideas and theory crafting with ya while you both look at the store shelf and decided what to buy.
I love it!
This is the very essence of EOB for me, the experimentation of new painting techniques and kitbash ideas, mixed with the skill to pull them off
I'm a simple man. I see Jay post, I watch.
Do I? Well I DO.
Most certainly I as well!
A word of warning to those who are thinking of taking Jay's advice on the blood angels combat patrol, get it while you can. Once the BA refresh hits, they'll redo it like the dark angels one.
I started warhammer three days ago, what does this mean? Also, I called the ultramarines blueberries to a GW manager, and he wanted to kill me in the store...why?
@trashpanda_actual first off, it just means they'll be changing what's in the box, it's a regular thing they do now.
The second one, I guess the manager was an Ultramarines player lol
I just started the hobby about a month ago and plan to grab the BA combat patrol, do you think it would be better to wait for the refresh or get it now?
@@HarryANuis-gi9hz The BA combat patrol isn't very BA themed, but it is a decent start point for SM in general. Based off how the DA update went the new combat patrol will probably be worse in every way(less interesting models, still no chapter flavour, no vehicle, less points), so if you like the models in the current BA one you might as well get it while you can.
@@wulf2757 it does suck there is no blood angels theme that’s for sure. I’m still a bit undecided between space wolves, BA and grey knights tbh.
Thanks for this. As a long time space marine painter who now has the itch to play, this is was exactly what I needed to see. I’ve had no idea who’s actually good and who just looks cool for years now. Nice to hear it from someone with experience who has crunched the numbers
One thing I’d like to add on top of Jays advice is - don’t feel like you’re locked into buying a combat patrol.
A lot of the time, the Warhammer/GW employee will push you towards the combat patrol box because it’s either a quick $100 or it’s the ‘done thing’ that they’re told to do by the higher ups. But that’s not what you should always do.
Say for example, you don’t like/want 50% of the mini’s in the combat patrol box… don’t just buy the box for the ones you want and then have 10-20 models left over.
You absolutely can just build your army 1 unit/ character at a time. Yes it may cost you more money in the long run - but this is an expensive hobby!
I play orks, I haven’t bought the combat patrol and I also haven’t broken my bank account because I split the purchases up over a couple years.
It is possible to buy an army without a combat patrol.
Yes, combat patrols are a good money saving option and can give you a great deal on units and can actually set you up for a very good army composition. But don’t feel like it’s your only option. 😁
Happy hobbying!
*Terminators have 4+ invulnerable save (adjusting glasses like a nerd 🤓) great videos 👍🏽
was just checking to see if enyone mentioned it, as a deathwing afficinado (284 terminators and counting across my 30k and 40k armies) going from 5+ to 4+ invul and from T¤ to T5 was huge, and with the latest change to deathwing knghts` weapons they are both super tanky and great vs any target.
(the 30K/40K split is 47/237 )
👍👍 I'm not in the habit of buying large amounts but over the last couple of years I've aimed for two boxes each of Aggressors, Eradicators, Inceptors and Centurions to be the core of my Salamanders army
Gravis good, I support your army
Damn, I was going with Infernus, Terminators, Aggressors, and Eradicators. I'll have to look into adding some Centurions!
Same here, I love gravis! My next purchase will be to get some centurions because space marine inside a space marine... hell yeah! Love the look of them after some modification to get them less stalky looking.
(also hello brother of the flame)
*happy salamander noises*
'most popular other than leagues of votann' made me crack up- love it
With Gladius youre implying that they get to be in the selected doctrine all game. Its only for one turn and you can select all 3 on 3 different turns, just not use the same one on two different turns
ooohhh, the starship interior looks amazing... i think a few more special tiles and you could play a specific game... a hulk of a game ... in space...
Even for someone that has played a while, this advice is great and refreshing, delivered in a very entertaining video. Great job!
Centurions and Dreadnaughts.
That's all I need. 😁
The thing of note of the Gladiator is that you can trivially build it in a way that all three variants are accessible to you and you can convert between them in an easy manner, and you don't even need magnets to do so.
Also, another reason not to buy the Combat Patrol Space Marines is because those exact same models are in the 10th Edition starter kits, which are cheaper and you get some Tyranid models you can either keep or sell in addition to what is in the Combat Patrol.
as someone who finally just started an interest in the ultramarines i’m very happy to find this
That Voidsmen trick is sneaky, low-down and dirty. I. Love. It! ❤😅😅😅
In the BA combat patrol you actually get the full kit for Incursors/infiltrators so u can build 5 of either and then if u can source some more phobos bodies (from i dunno oh maybe the reiver bodies sold for super cheap by people parting out the reiver box to just sell heads) you can make another 5 dudes. So if u build 5 infiltrators you can after sourcing the bodies also build 5 Incursors
So do you just paint them as whatever chapter you want to use since they're all space marines? Like could i make the leviathan space marines into Dark Angels?
Absolutely!
Yup, bonus points if you change their emblems and such to match the Chapter/Detachment that you're going for.
I recently got into the hobby and I used the ultimate starter box (basically Leviathan) and made the space Marines into Salamanders with some help from the local shop owner.
I have roughly 1k points of space marines, but a lot of it isn't really viable. Bought a firstborn dreadnought and land speeder because they were both cheap and looked adorable, and a predator tank because I figured I could run it as a rhino until I reread the rules and realized "tacticus armor" means Primaris marines, and they don't fit in a rhino. For all my effort trying to save money I think I agree now that that Blood Angel combat patrol would have been a better route. Though I still love my little boxnaught and land speeder.
That predator is actually pretty good, lascannons are a marines best anti tank rn and predators can go all lascannons
Land speeders have legacy data sheets so non tournament play they are a fun option
This is a great vid! Thanks!
I'd like to see this series continue. "How to Start ... in 10th Edition"
Thousand Sons next, please!
This video could not come at a better time, I've been thinking of getting a proper space marine army
I would like to mention that Blood Angels Currently are a very Melee focused Chapter with Sons of Sanguinius Detachment, Each time an ADEPTUS ASTARTES unit from your army is selected to fight, if that unit made a Charge move this turn, until the end of the phase, add 2 to the Strength characteristic and add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of melee weapons equipped by models in that unit.
A squad of 10Jump Pack Intercessors with most BA Epic Heroes attached as well as a Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack, suddenly becomes around 50 hits that are hard easy to hit and hard to save
Incursors don't give rerolls to hit for the rest of the turn if they hit. They give +1 to hit for the rest of the shooting phase.
Still useful when they incur 😂, just in a different way.
Thanks, Jay! This is a really good general overview for SM players new to 10th Edition.
Inceptors, scouts and Jump pack interseccors are you only good datasheets, run them in whichever quantities you enjoy and then add things you like
Counterpoint: Firestorm Assault Force - bring flamers... like a lot of flamers... an unreasonable amount of flamers
Got alot of great info out of this vid! I got back into 40K last year with the leviathan box and have been randomly collecting marines since, not really knowing what units to take or put into a list. Now I feel like I have a direction to build towards, and it's also kinda funny that I was literally planning on buying the BA combat patrol soon XD
Hmmm could convert those Voidsmen into serfs for your chapter. That's a fun idea. Also neat to know I have most of these models. Their kitbashed with loadouts that would make a rules lawyer cry out in agony or burst into laughter or both, but I do have them, so that's neat to know. Anyway thanks for sharing Jay.
Terminators have a 4+ invulnerable save.
My local meta seems to favour the spearhead vanguard detachment, even when not using Phobos things. Being able to infiltrate a terminator assault squad with shields is very powerful.
Hey. Neat video. The intercessors picture is of the heavy intercessors. Still a good unit but may confuse people trying to look them up. Also, the librarian in the blood angel's set if a regular, primaris librarian. He can't go with terminators but he is great with things like hell blasters or a big squad of intercessors to keep them alive!
Nice breakdown. I'm building Black Templars and Space Wolves. Would like to see your unit selections for those.
Thunderwolves, Grimnar, Bjorn, Wulfen are all solid choices from the current index
Primaris Crusaders get so many primaris crusaders
I've been in love with the Eversor Assassin since 3rd edition.
suggestion for actually collecting space marines: buy the Horus Heresy Age of Darkness box set. 40 marine bodies, 10 terminators, land raider, plus a couple of characters. and with just a small purchase of the missile launcher and heavy bolter upgrade box, you can milk even more value out of those 40 marines through building desolation squads and sternguard veteran squads. or if you just want some alternative units, the special weapon upgrades can give you both infernus and hellblaster squads.
They see me trolling!!!! Space hulk!!! You think they will make a new printing? They got all the pieces!!Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
All my money was well spent! 80% of the marines you rattled off are sitting on my desk assembled and primed! Lets go! I'm so excited! Love your vids man.
Spending a cp to bounce a unit off the table and into strategic reserves so it can sneak up behind younand whisper in your ear "movement wins games"
14:47
Blood angels combat patrol has incursers not infiltraters
Love to see more videos like this for other factions
Starting up a Space Marine army myself and still being new this helped me a lot, thanks Jay
I was literally just looking at blood angel unit's and the combat patrol box set as I started watching this video, not sure if I want to paint a unit just for nostalgia as they're something I painted in my teens
Small correction: That's the Primaris Librarian that comes in the Blood Angel Patrol Box not a Terminator Librarian.
Ya know, I'd actually really like to see a video like this on all the 40k factions. Might be tough for the armies you don't personally know as well, but maybe you could bring some guests on the channel for those? They could give YOU the breakdown the same way you gave to us in this video, and you could even pair it with you and the guest doing some mini-painting of, say, a Kill Team or whatnot of said faction. Could make for a fun series!
...Those are Heavy Intercessors at 10:43 . The BA Combat Patrol gives a regular Librarian, not a Librarian in Terminator Armor.
That’s not how Gladius works. You can pick each doctrine once during the game or use the “adaptive strategy” strategy to put a unit in whatever doctrine you like
Incursors actually give +1 to hit for all other adeptus astartes units, not re-rolling hits. Anyways, good video. 👍🏻
I purchased the starter set with space marines vs tyranids. Can I make the space marines space wolves or do they have to be ultramarines. Also I think lord Calagar is part of the set so idk if I can make him space wolf. If I can make them space wolves would they have different stats the ultramarines?
You should do one on how to start a Black Templar army. You just might know a thing or two about that.
Can we have a studio tour Jay?
Incursor squad gives +1 to hit on whatever enemy unit they shot at. They dont give a second Oath of Moment.
Start with the rule of cool, get what you like
I know nothing much as ive just started but want the black templars for the look, already painted some space marines but i want some more templar stuff.
10:58
Shows heavy intercessors
just a heads up for some people incrusers only let you reroll SHOOTING not all attacks
How to play firstborn Marines in 10th:
"Don't. Go f*#k yourself."
-GW
True. But I see a solution - these are Horus Heresy kits and 3D prints (for special units, like Apothecaries or Techmarines, or for heraldry elements).
MK6 and MK3 are great, despite not the most expressive poses. There are absolutely wonderful upgrade packs to turn them into Devastator squads or Sternguard Veterans with special weapons.
The rules from Legends, I'd say, are not very bad at the moment, and, technically, this only limits a participation in major events or tournaments.
Short Answer: Don't.
Longer answer: feel free to proxy if your opponent is cool with it. Otherwise there is nothing official you would be able to play, unless you play an army exclusively made up of Terminators and Land Raiders. If you want to play Firstborn, there is always Horus Heresy but you'd be stuck with a specific legion.
Honest question: Why Not just put them on the table and call them Intercessors? Who is going to argue against that outside of the official competitive tournaments?
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 The answer is simple. People who want to run a pure Firstborn army often do not want to have Primarises in their rosters by any means. Even by proxy. It's a principled stand, sort of.
@@cwaldacwaldovic4572 Because intercessors lack all the cool guns tacticals can use. I don't want to use intercessors because I don't like the unit. Same goes for almost every primaris unit that has replaced its firstborn equivalent. They are simply less interesting or missing the cool things I liked about them but because they gave them inflated statlines they are simply better ruleswise.
As someone who already thinks aggressors and inceptors are already pretty cool looking, having half to two-thirds of my army made up of them doesn't seem like a huge deal. A few aggressors, a few inceptors, a dreadnought, and then some intercessors to fill out the points making up an army? A-okay by me.
Small Misstake, Terminators have a 4+ invul save in 10th
Sometimes I wonder if Jay plays with how often he gets the rules wrong lol. Hearing him explain gladius was interesting
Mistake*
@@sbeaberhe does play, but playing with worse rules would make him losing all the time make more sense.
Its easy to get this one wrong, terminators Always used to have a 5+, the shield of the assault terminators have the 4+
Unless you are playing an absolutely massive board what's the point of moving titans because most of the time their range is YES
To crush stuff for flavor. Too bad that doesn't do much according to some video i watched recently.
Buy any box set? Marines are in everything lol
I got them from my 2nd edition sealed box, leviathon, first strike, know no fear,
I’m new to tabletop warhammer 40k. My first squad I bought was a regular space marine tactical squad. Did I make a bad choice or can I work them in somewhere?
Well depends but is a good choice overall
I’m playing black Templars, I haven’t played a game yet and am still building my army, when I got infiltrators no one was talking. Abt them so I never finished painting them but will def do that now and add them to my list as I see them everywhere now. But my list is
-Helbrecht (warlord)
-emperors champion
- Marshall
-intercessor squad x3
- primaris crusader squad
- inceptor squad
- infernus squad
- infiltrator squad
- primaris sword brethren
- terminator squad
- gladiator reaper
- impulsor
Is this a good list? I feel like I have the must haves for Templars and good units for space marines in general. In total it’s 1,530 points
has gladius been changed? i thought you can only have each doctrine just once in one turn per game
This helped me a lot. Trying to build a space marine army and I will definitely pick these up! + 1 sub and a like for sure!
Hey jay. I’ve got a black Templar army and wanted to know if this is a good army roster?
Characters: apothecary
Lieutenant in Phobos
Captain with plasma pistol
x1 impulsor
x10 hellblasters
x5 assault intercessors with jump packs
x5 assault inercessors
x3 eliminators
x5 infiltrators
x3 suppressors
11:00 says intercessors and sticky objective, shows heavy intercessors
Very nice. Thank you. I hope there will be more videos like this for all the other factions. :)
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The bladeguard ancient is 45 points ;)
Yeah I'm just doing great nights for right now and after I finish my thousand points then I'm either going to work on sisters of battle or loyalist iron warriors and my current plan for them is raptors and legionnaires and maybe a hellbrute but my main plan currently is one Terminator squad 3 raptor squads three legionnaire squads and two bikers squads which will put me at 905 points giving me enough for either a chaos rhino or another raptor or legionnaire squad or even another bike squad which would be 41 miniatures and with either the extra raptor or legionnaire squad that'll be 46 and with an extra bike squad that would be 44 and with the rhino or the hell brute that would be 42 and yes I know I have to play them as chaos and that's okay so I don't have to paint all that gaudy trim
I play and my top is just to get what you think would be fun
I have all 4 assassins and I rotate them around. Haven't used Eversor (yet) but I have seen him used as an insanely good anti infantry missile. Will he get taken out next turn? Probably. Have I seen him delete an entire unit of infantry? Yeah
What a awesome video! Thank you!
Don’t underestimate high dice feel no pains. I’ve had Scarabs with that 5+ from spiders absolutely demolish an enemy unit
I like that he gives strategic advice with some ideas other players did not come up with.
But he also mentions that he is pretty much loosing every game he plays…
So people might say his strategies aren’t that great. I like to think he is a brilliant strategist with amazingly bad dice-luck.
To be fair, he's mostly playing against the invincible Sean.
Terminators and Dreadnoughts (ironclad) are my favorite units.
So I’m starting a black Templar army and I’m wondering should I buy the space marine codex and the black Templar index or should I just buy the codex or should I just buy the index?
Sadly that books angels combat patrol is no longer available
Can you do an updated version now that they changed the boxes?
I already have 3 armies (I main space wolves) but now that I've got to grips with the game more I do find myself wanting to do an imperial fist descendant chapter based around anvil siege detachment with gravis armour EVERYWHERE. just sit on obj tanking stuff, blasting with heavy weapons and power fisting anything in the face that comes to close
what happened to the killteam battle reports?
Will you be making any QUAR content ?
Pretty chuffed that as a newish/ returning player after 10+ years, my current roster I've been building bit by bit just about has the recommended lineup.
Hang on, how can you troll with the teleport homer exactly? If you put it in one place and your opponent swarms it? Isn't that the only option to send the terminators? How exactly can they enter way across the other side of the board? Is the distance from the homer that big?
They have deep strike
The only factions i intend of collecting are thousand sons, iron warriors, necrons, imperial fists, lamentors, and probably kasrkin/solar auxilia
Loved this. I recently began my Imperial Fists army and so far I’ve got
Redemption Dreadnaught
Eradicators
Eliminators
Terminators
Captain w/ master crafted bolter
I want to do Agressors, intercessors either heavy or the standard, and possibly inceptors.
Does anyone have any other recommendations?
Does the blood Angels combat patrol models have blood angles styling? Can the models in the box be used for any space marine chapter army?
Great advice!
For starting space marines i recommend the photon mono 2 it’s not the biggest plate size so printing space marines is slow but at the price of a combat patrol its worth it since most of the files are free
I haven’t played warhammer 40K in a while and I started buying the tall marines, would I be able to run my firstborns still or are they not allowed?
25mm bases are too small for Space Marines now. You'd need a converter to 32mm but until my Etsy ones arrive from Spain, cardboard discs work for me.
Depends on the unit.. some like bikes / landspeeders are retired but most still work
Sustained 3 give you 3 EXTRA hits, its even better :D
big thx jay now i can add an extra 300 gbp to my christmas list xD
I'm new here and I'm having some problems understanding a couple of things. I'm looking to buy the Black Templars Combat Patrol. I understand that since they have two key faction words "Adeptus Astartes, Black Templars" I can't mix them with units that have for example "Adeptus Astartes, Space Wolves" but I can mix them with units that only have "Adeptus Astartes"?
Correct, your army can only come from one chapter. Google for pdfs of the rulebooks for now, may as well have more money for models
Get the most meta points efficient list as it’s also the most cheapest route
Thank you soooo much this helps so much.
@jay saying dont get space marine combat patrol, after i bought it and assembled it (new to the game) but going salamanders and wanted the infernus squad... am i boned?
i just like collecting them cause they look cool 😭 theyre so expensive
the interssesor and the heavy interssesor have sticky objetif ? is it all battle line unit or only these two ?
16:58 Bladeguard Ancient staring from the corner
Currently starting my Black Templar army! No idea how to play yet-
Old dark angels combat patrol or old space marines combat patrol are amazing
Bladeguard was my first group of marines to paint. 😅