Great video, goes to show the oil pressure is perfect for anyone using their car on the road network, that’s a relief for 90% of owners, the 10%!that turn their GR86 into a track car with super sticky tires may need additional hardware to stop the pressures dropping as demonstrated on other videos, but for me, it’s given me peace of mind that the GR86 and BRZ boxer engine isn’t badly designed for its main intended use, a fun going sports car. Thank you
It's pretty sweet! I have been really impressed with RaceChrono and what you can do with it, very customizable (ie: for this I made oil pressure/temperature the big gauges)
@@TheBTRGaragewhat camera setup are you using? I really like how well everything comes together with the CAN injected data, race Chrono, and the footage. Currently planning out my oil pressure logging setup for my GR86 (also a trueno blue!). EDIT: Answered my own question, saw in a different video you were using GoPro with race chrono
I tried canyon drive and I cannot reproduce oil pressure drops. I think it due to 2 facts: 1. most of the time engine RPM is not that high, I rarely red line the engine in high speed turns like I did on the track. 2. Rarely I max out the lateral G in complex turns with elevation changes. However there exist people drive togue like the car was stolen so I would not surprise some people can run into engine issue on the canyon. We looked at our data and summaries the patterns that usually trigger the pressure drops: 1. Engine is in high RPM (over 5k rpm) and it is a right turn. 2. A long turn (e.g. Laguna Seca T4, ButtonWillow CW13, Thunderhill East T3) 3. Elevation changes (e.g. Sonoma T2, Thunderhill T8W) 4. The turn is off camber (Sonoma T2, Thunderhill T8W as well). 5. There is a left turn before the right turn (S turns, Thunderhill T5W) If 1 and two of the rest patterns are met, we almost always see pressure drop. Hope this info is help you to set up a baseline for the baffle testing. Where did you get that Kazama baffle? We are very interested to test it but the retailers we talked to don't have them in stock.
Thanks for the detailed info! I've been following what you guys have been testing too. I imagine I will see similar oil pressure drops when I do get it back to the track. Since you guys have already narrowed down the scenarios where it typically occurs, I should be able to easily reproduce it. But, we'll see, different tracks obviously. I lucked out on the Kazama baffle, found a guy that was selling one new in box on fb 86 market (tip from a other 86 oil pressure tester).
Great contribution. I'm saving up for a GR86 and this use case is pretty much what I have in mind for it. I'm eyeing an occasional trackday, but won't stray too far from stock, so this looks perfect.
Great Video! Was on the fence with my Preorder and was thinking of cancelling it because of this issue. Seems daily driving and back roads are not an issue. Thanks for this awesome update!!!
Thanks for looking into this issue. So far, this is what I was hoping to see. I don't race yet, so for EDD there doesn't seem to be a problem. I would like to see oil pressure in my car, I am going to look into the stuff you are using.
Yep! This is just one sample size (although I did ~40 minutes of this kind of driving that day), but looks promising for every day driving and semi-spirited canyon driving. More data coming soon.
Thanks! I have been running it about 1/2 quart over filled since ~4k miles. It is roughly 1/4" over the dipstick full line. I should probably include that info in the description, thanks!
One thing that always amazed me, as they never put all pressure/temp sensors/gauges on all the high performance Subaru vehicles, like other manufacturers. It's a real basic thing that would have been much appreciated. (Obviously this is a GR86, but it's Subaru engine)
That's always been my thought as well. A big reason why I wanted to get actual data on the street to back that thought up. I suspect I'll see low oil pressure situations on the track, like others have seen.
Looks to be around 10psi drop which isn't too bad compared to what we've seen on track from other testers. Definitely good to see data from the road, as I'm sure this gives people more confidence on buying.
@@matthewwain9958 I think anyone looking to buy a sporty car at the 30k price point should get a brz without second thought, it's those who wish to track these that may want to sit for a solution to arrive or look elsewhere given their budget. Tracking is an expensive hobby as it is, but potentially replacing an engine is a whole another beast.
Thank you much for this video, im thinking about adding a oil pressure sensor to my GR86 as well! much appreciated! on a side note i used to drive this pass almost every day, i still live in the area and drive it a few times a week currently! such a blast. for some reason i thought you were located in California. let me know if you do any Cars an Coffee or any other events id love to see you there and talk about our 86s
Dang! Sounds like you get out to that spot a LOT :D I don't frequent that many C&C's, because I'm usually at the race track or autocross :) I keep meaning to get out to the Four til Four meets on Saturday morning.
Yes, I have had 2 Blackstone analysis up to this point and I'll be sending in the 3rd here shortly. So far they have been good with no issues reported, even told me to go longer between oil changes (I did 3k mile oil changes).
@@TheBTRGarage that’s excellent news! I’m about to hit 1k miles on my GR86 so I ordered a test kit. I want to see how much metal they find in the break in oil.
I watched a video from Ansix Auto where they go in to some depth about their experience with their BRZ. In their video they conclude that the Jackson racing cooler drops pressure and to remedy some of the oil pressure issues you could delete the stock heat exchanger. If it’s something you’d be interested in, I’d love to see you cover it in your DIY format.
I saw that too, great video! But, just to clarify, they have the Jackson Racing radiator *and* oil cooler combo, not the standalone JR oil cooler like I have. I would like to test removing the OEM heat exchanger though, that was an interesting new development.
Hello there, thank you for the video. Sorry for the noob question, just bought a BRZ and preparing a list of mods for going to a race circuit, is the oil temp something I can just fetch from the OBD (I mean the sensor is already there) or I need to have a similar sensor kit for the temp as well? Or may be this sensor (I mean the sensor from the video) also measures the temp and writes it to the OBD? Thank you so much for the answer.
It depends what app or datalogger you are using. The CAN ID's are different when using the GJP IO box like in this video, to using the Ansix CAN OBD adapter like in a previous video. For GJP IO box they have all their CAN ID's here: www.geraldjustprojects.com/gjp-io-box-firmware/
Thanks to this dude, I decided to buy an OBDLink MX for my 2023 GR86 that has never been tracked or red lined, and has rev warning set to 4500- discovered misfires in nearly all cylinders. THIS CAR IS AN ABSOLUTE PIECE AND IM FINISHED WITH WITH AUTOMOBILES. DO NOT BUY.
For a cost effective DIY type of solution, yes, I think this is about as good as you can get. The GJP IO Box is the only thing relatively expensive (if you want oil pressure, otherwise not needed, Ansix adapter would be better/cheaper). The next step up would be something like an AIM SOLO2 DL which will set you back $800 just to get into it (+$$$ for camera(s), sensors, cabling). A lot of it is personal preference and needs though too. I need to be able to easily and quickly swap my data analytics package between my 2 cars and have the same process for race logging. Plus, I like that logging/reviewing/video overlay is all entirely within the RaceChrono app, I don't need a laptop or multiple apps/tools to create racing videos.
Does that OBDlink scanner have the enhanced diagnostics for the GR86? The car is not even listed on their compatibility list. Neither is any Subaru. To be honest it seems like the LX would have sufficed.
It’s crazy how the manufacturers care less about the product they made than the consumers. They should at least drop the prices on these since it has all of these RTV and oil pressure issues from factory.
Great video but, stop crossing the double yellow! I know you're doing it on sections with clear visibility, but there's no reason to cross the center line.
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Great video, goes to show the oil pressure is perfect for anyone using their car on the road network, that’s a relief for 90% of owners, the 10%!that turn their GR86 into a track car with super sticky tires may need additional hardware to stop the pressures dropping as demonstrated on other videos, but for me, it’s given me peace of mind that the GR86 and BRZ boxer engine isn’t badly designed for its main intended use, a fun going sports car.
Thank you
Appreciate the time you took to contribute to this topic and as a GR86 owner, it does give some reassurance from a DD perspective
Look forward to seeing the oil pressures on sticky tires and at the track / autocross
that gauge overlay for the driving portion is real cool
It's pretty sweet! I have been really impressed with RaceChrono and what you can do with it, very customizable (ie: for this I made oil pressure/temperature the big gauges)
@@TheBTRGaragewhat camera setup are you using? I really like how well everything comes together with the CAN injected data, race Chrono, and the footage. Currently planning out my oil pressure logging setup for my GR86 (also a trueno blue!).
EDIT: Answered my own question, saw in a different video you were using GoPro with race chrono
@@michaelnewman6645 Yep! This particular video is a Hero 8 black, but I also use older Hero 4 blacks.
I tried canyon drive and I cannot reproduce oil pressure drops. I think it due to 2 facts: 1. most of the time engine RPM is not that high, I rarely red line the engine in high speed turns like I did on the track. 2. Rarely I max out the lateral G in complex turns with elevation changes. However there exist people drive togue like the car was stolen so I would not surprise some people can run into engine issue on the canyon. We looked at our data and summaries the patterns that usually trigger the pressure drops:
1. Engine is in high RPM (over 5k rpm) and it is a right turn.
2. A long turn (e.g. Laguna Seca T4, ButtonWillow CW13, Thunderhill East T3)
3. Elevation changes (e.g. Sonoma T2, Thunderhill T8W)
4. The turn is off camber (Sonoma T2, Thunderhill T8W as well).
5. There is a left turn before the right turn (S turns, Thunderhill T5W)
If 1 and two of the rest patterns are met, we almost always see pressure drop. Hope this info is help you to set up a baseline for the baffle testing.
Where did you get that Kazama baffle? We are very interested to test it but the retailers we talked to don't have them in stock.
Thanks for the detailed info! I've been following what you guys have been testing too. I imagine I will see similar oil pressure drops when I do get it back to the track. Since you guys have already narrowed down the scenarios where it typically occurs, I should be able to easily reproduce it. But, we'll see, different tracks obviously.
I lucked out on the Kazama baffle, found a guy that was selling one new in box on fb 86 market (tip from a other 86 oil pressure tester).
Great contribution. I'm saving up for a GR86 and this use case is pretty much what I have in mind for it. I'm eyeing an occasional trackday, but won't stray too far from stock, so this looks perfect.
Great Video! Was on the fence with my Preorder and was thinking of cancelling it because of this issue. Seems daily driving and back roads are not an issue. Thanks for this awesome update!!!
That’s what i hope as well, not a track guy myself but often i hit the backroads
I REALLY appreciate your videos! You've been a great source of info. (2024 BRZts owner and monthly track rat)
Thanks for looking into this issue. So far, this is what I was hoping to see. I don't race yet, so for EDD there doesn't seem to be a problem. I would like to see oil pressure in my car, I am going to look into the stuff you are using.
Yep! This is just one sample size (although I did ~40 minutes of this kind of driving that day), but looks promising for every day driving and semi-spirited canyon driving. More data coming soon.
Thanks for all these effort as a fellow twin owner 🙏🏻
Your install videos are clear and concise. What level is on the inside of your oil dipstick as measured first in the morning?
Thanks! I have been running it about 1/2 quart over filled since ~4k miles. It is roughly 1/4" over the dipstick full line. I should probably include that info in the description, thanks!
One thing that always amazed me, as they never put all pressure/temp sensors/gauges on all the high performance Subaru vehicles, like other manufacturers. It's a real basic thing that would have been much appreciated. (Obviously this is a GR86, but it's Subaru engine)
I think the oil pressure concern is not going to be a problem for public roads. Track speeds are where the problem starts.
That's always been my thought as well. A big reason why I wanted to get actual data on the street to back that thought up.
I suspect I'll see low oil pressure situations on the track, like others have seen.
You can see dips during extended right turns but since your rpms aren't high the dips aren't anything aggressive, look forward to the track findings.
Looks to be around 10psi drop which isn't too bad compared to what we've seen on track from other testers. Definitely good to see data from the road, as I'm sure this gives people more confidence on buying.
@@matthewwain9958 I think anyone looking to buy a sporty car at the 30k price point should get a brz without second thought, it's those who wish to track these that may want to sit for a solution to arrive or look elsewhere given their budget. Tracking is an expensive hobby as it is, but potentially replacing an engine is a whole another beast.
Legendary work!
I miss my 2013 FRS & your video is making me want to get a GR86 🔑such a fun car to drive.
I had a 2012 FRS as well, great car, but the gen2 GR86/BRZ are a pretty big improvement!
edit: and you already know I had a 2013 :D
Thank you much for this video, im thinking about adding a oil pressure sensor to my GR86 as well! much appreciated! on a side note i used to drive this pass almost every day, i still live in the area and drive it a few times a week currently! such a blast. for some reason i thought you were located in California. let me know if you do any Cars an Coffee or any other events id love to see you there and talk about our 86s
Dang! Sounds like you get out to that spot a LOT :D I don't frequent that many C&C's, because I'm usually at the race track or autocross :) I keep meaning to get out to the Four til Four meets on Saturday morning.
Thank you for looking into this issue and looking forward to the future results. Have you had black stone lab evaluate the oil in your GR86?
Yes, I have had 2 Blackstone analysis up to this point and I'll be sending in the 3rd here shortly. So far they have been good with no issues reported, even told me to go longer between oil changes (I did 3k mile oil changes).
@@TheBTRGarage that’s excellent news! I’m about to hit 1k miles on my GR86 so I ordered a test kit. I want to see how much metal they find in the break in oil.
I watched a video from Ansix Auto where they go in to some depth about their experience with their BRZ. In their video they conclude that the Jackson racing cooler drops pressure and to remedy some of the oil pressure issues you could delete the stock heat exchanger. If it’s something you’d be interested in, I’d love to see you cover it in your DIY format.
I saw that too, great video! But, just to clarify, they have the Jackson Racing radiator *and* oil cooler combo, not the standalone JR oil cooler like I have. I would like to test removing the OEM heat exchanger though, that was an interesting new development.
Hello there, thank you for the video. Sorry for the noob question, just bought a BRZ and preparing a list of mods for going to a race circuit, is the oil temp something I can just fetch from the OBD (I mean the sensor is already there) or I need to have a similar sensor kit for the temp as well? Or may be this sensor (I mean the sensor from the video) also measures the temp and writes it to the OBD? Thank you so much for the answer.
Oil temperature is already there and yes you can get it with apps/OBD.
I was told that getting a new oil pick up that is more sturdy can help
Beer money to support the great content!
Thank you, you the goat!
As a fellow GR86 Owner thank you for this Excellent Video! What type of oil are you running in these tests?
Thanks, hope it was helpful insight! I have been running Mobil 1 synthetic 5w-20. Next oil change will be a switch to Motul 300V 5w-30.
Looks like a great drive - where in AZ is this? Would love to try this drive myself!
Basically highway 89, Wilhoit to Prescott, AZ. There are a few roads like this in the area.
Hi , I saw in your last video you have different CAN ID , could you share all working can ID and equation for GR 86
It depends what app or datalogger you are using. The CAN ID's are different when using the GJP IO box like in this video, to using the Ansix CAN OBD adapter like in a previous video.
For GJP IO box they have all their CAN ID's here: www.geraldjustprojects.com/gjp-io-box-firmware/
great vid! would be curious to see this done on autocross
As soon as we have an event I will have the data up.
Thanks to this dude, I decided to buy an OBDLink MX for my 2023 GR86 that has never been tracked or red lined, and has rev warning set to 4500- discovered misfires in nearly all cylinders. THIS CAR IS AN ABSOLUTE PIECE AND IM FINISHED WITH WITH AUTOMOBILES. DO NOT BUY.
Are you happy with this logging solution? Or do you wish you went a different route? Currently looking at this as well.
For a cost effective DIY type of solution, yes, I think this is about as good as you can get. The GJP IO Box is the only thing relatively expensive (if you want oil pressure, otherwise not needed, Ansix adapter would be better/cheaper). The next step up would be something like an AIM SOLO2 DL which will set you back $800 just to get into it (+$$$ for camera(s), sensors, cabling).
A lot of it is personal preference and needs though too. I need to be able to easily and quickly swap my data analytics package between my 2 cars and have the same process for race logging. Plus, I like that logging/reviewing/video overlay is all entirely within the RaceChrono app, I don't need a laptop or multiple apps/tools to create racing videos.
@@TheBTRGarage Thanks!
Does that OBDlink scanner have the enhanced diagnostics for the GR86? The car is not even listed on their compatibility list. Neither is any Subaru. To be honest it seems like the LX would have sufficed.
It's just the one I have had for years and I know it works. The LX would probably be fine for this purpose too.
It’s crazy how the manufacturers care less about the product they made than the consumers. They should at least drop the prices on these since it has all of these RTV and oil pressure issues from factory.
They don't care because in the big picture, it's a non-issue.
As soon as he crossed the double yellow I switched off
Not a fan of crossing the double yellow on public roads. Safety aside, the whole point is to turn hard, why straighten out the corners? 😂
Great video but, stop crossing the double yellow! I know you're doing it on sections with clear visibility, but there's no reason to cross the center line.
No reason to cross the yellow lines dude
You did NOT need all that hardware - it's already there - you can get electronically through obd
False, oil *pressure* is not there, you must add a sensor/hardware. Oil temperature is there.