Tank Chats Special | Pak 43/41 Anti-Tank Gun | The Tank Museum
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- The Tank Museum's Archive and Library Manager Stuart Wheeler presents this Tank Chat Special on the Pak 43/41. Find out the history behind the infamous anti-tank gun and the story behind how it came to be in The Tank Museum's collection - from it's time as a gate-guard, to its restoration, and finally it's display in the Museum.
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This should be called anti-tank chats lol
that is a good idea!
Good one!
Dad Joke, First Warning Card! Watch it Laddie.
Tank Museum Anti-Tank Tank Chats?
This is actually a really good idea for a spin-off of sorts.
Don't recall seeing Stuart before. He speaks very naturally and well making a very informative and interesting presentation, thankyou.
He totally knows his stuff, inside out. Very impressive. Now if they can get him to look at the camera!
True, but i did have to stick a bushy white false moustache onto my screen to watch the whole video, because it was still not quite right on a basic level
Is it too late to change his name to David?
Good dude with solid speaking skills and information. No distractions
Like the guy...he's good. Hope he does more ( and it looks like he bought a new shirt for this !)
I can’t thank the guys enough who went through 5 years to bring this price of history back the way it was and preserving history.
You're damm right you can't thank them enough for that. Your thanks won't feed them and pay their rent for 5 years.
@@touristguy87 hello Karen...
@@SonsOfLorgar ...wut?
@@touristguy87 wtf bro
@@v44n7 5 years of action vs 5 seconds of talk...think about it
Whether you're pro-tank or anti-tank, this channel has everything.
The most effective AT gun, at the end of the war weighed almost as much as the Panzer I tank did at the start of the war. 4.3t vs 5.4t. If that doesn't encapsulate a mad decade of weapon evolution, nothing does.
The 88 was overkill for 95% of tanks
The 75 gave the best bang for the buck. It was cheaper, lighter, and more ammo could be stored and transported.
A kill is a kill. This way they won't twitch when it's all over. @@nastypiglosi1788
Yeah, but what happens when you meet that 5% of tanks designed specifically to beat the Pak 40?
At the end of the war any tank allied or german Weight several Times the Weight of the panzer l ,as many other Weapons .
@@nastypiglosi1788better safe then sorry I guess
Many tank commanders saw the destruction of anti-tank guns as more important than the destruction of enemy tanks.
A well dug in and camouflaged anti-tank gun is practically invisible to a closed down tank, and getting off the first shot would usually win the contest. Enemy tanks were seen as less of a threat by commanders.
True, that's why internet arguments about which tank is better annoy me because it's not relevant to what threats tanks actually had to contend with
A good camouflaged and operated gun like this could ruin the day of lots of tank crews.
What a sniper is for an infantry soldier is the anti tankgun for a tanker.
feared and hated the most.
a good example of this was the german tank ace micheal wittmann, he feared anti tank guns more than tanks.
@@apis_aculei The problem was the American's couldn't make enough Brad Pitts to armour every Sherman.
ptonpc If only the Allied arsenals could have kept up with the demand for plot armor, things would’ve been different.
Maybe. One weakness of plot armor is that it’ll fail whenever it deems the situation to be sufficiently dramatic.
This is similar to the problems the German “Deus Ex Machina” program ran into, which was also prone to narrative-driven failures. In this case, I think the point being made was one about the dangers of hubris. And maybe a little bit about not being an asshat, though that fails to explain the fate of Stalin during the war. I theorize one factor in play here was the state of Soviet drama.
That did not feel like a 20min lecture. That was amazing. Hat's off.
This channel is run so well. Even the understandable and justified asking for support is delicately and tastefully brought up.
Next time I’m back in the UK I’m spending a long day here and returning with goodies of all kinds.
One of Rommels' absolute favourite tactics which he used in France and the Western Desert was to use his "retreating" Panzers to lure Allied tanks into a kill zone of anti-tank guns. The zone was often protected on its flanks by mines, creating a box.
Rommel wasn't the only one to use it, pretty mutch all axis tank commanders figured out early on british doctrine was to charge enemy tanks with their own, making them incredibly easy to lure into traps. the british eventually changed their doctrine as a result.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 ...sure if you have traps *set*...and aren't caught by surprise...and the enemy stays in the trap once they figure it out. As opposed to finding the trap first and then laying waste to your AT guns.
Thats why Rommel was retreating thru 1500km of North Africa?
@@Paciat unlike the British, Rommel had to retreat to where he had fuel for his armor
@@touristguy87 And unlike Rommel British had to attack where they had no fuel for their armor. You would expect that Germany that started arming for WWII in 1933 would have better logistics and strategic planing.
Supply run out and Germans became as brave as Italians.
I restored a Soviet Zis-3 Soviet made artillery piece that was also in wretched condition. Lots of work but I loved every minute of it. I then did the lions share of the work on the SP mount, the Su-76 "Suka." The SP was an enormous amount of work having been left out in the weather since it was captured in Korea. Apparently it had been abandoned by the NKPA because a white star had been painted over the original red star. It had run over a mine and was slightly damaged (probably an AP mine) but the oil pan on #1 engine was breached and the engine seized up. USMC Air Ground Museum in Quantico, VA is where she rests now.
Very cool story. Lol @ the SU-76 nickname and what it means in Russian :)
@@spellcaster39ify Odd, My dad worked at Republic Aviation as a final inspection crew chief on the F-105 Thunderchief. Thanks for the comment.
Who is this man!? He's so into it, just completely zoned in. Stuart has that David Fletcher vibe.
exellent Chat and a PAK in perfect restored condition thx to Tank Museum.
And to think it all started with an old "gate guardian" just rusting away.
I’d bet that Stuart is ex-Army, his phrasing, pacing and intonation gives it away. Great Anti-Tank talk, tons of detail, great overall picture, best museum in the world by miles.
I can see that
I agree. I thought the same
Yep, that is how we talk, those that have worn the green...no umms...just controlled a pause
I can't even imagine what a t-34 at 2500m would look like, they must have had some serious optics. Also liked the account of the t-34 engine block flying out the back, thats just mental.
T-34 Tank Commander: Ivan, step on it, I think that anti-tank gun is firing at us!
Ivan: I will when you put some more linkages to the engine back there!
They had Zeiss Telescopic Sights , they were very clear and quite zeroed , if it was an experienced gunner with calm nerves, yes it was possible to make that shot that far and cause that huge damage .
A T-34 in over 2000m is not that dangerous, so they have time to aim.
I read about the King Tiger that mounted this gun that there are accounts of the shot ripping of the entire turret of T34's at 3000 meters (I think). According to statistics the to-hit ratio in combat for the King tiger was 89% at 1.000 meters ( in training it was supposedly 100% at 1.000 meters). So the Germans didn't waste much ammo with this gun (plus he optics of course)
2500m is certainly a distance, but not really that far against a target like a tank. On the open field the tanks were not that fast and would usually not be manouvring wildly. So a good crew could certainly take that shot with a reasonable chance of success. Next time you're driving through a hilly region with good lines of sight, try to estimate 2km distance and look at your distance. It might surprise you how "close" 2km is.
What an absolute beast of a gun for that period.
I dont think id like it shooting at me now with some modern munitions
I have some questions, it has wheels yet it seems like you cant move it...how do you move such a thing?
@@hushpuppy1735 with lots of horses. Actually, that´s what they did in many cases.
@@sugarnads Or with any kind of ammunition indeed.
Stuart doing a great job with this video!
If i ever win a lottery here across the pond . I'll send your museum a large donation. History is priceless and we need to keep it .
One of the best videos I've watched on German anti tank gun development. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Nice JG52 profile picture
@@threadworm437 Joachim Peiper 👍
@maxrpm2215 yo I’ve just built a 1/72 Modell of a German starfighter and it has the same red black badge with the sword on its tail as your profile pic.
@@hikingjoe4752 nice, its JG52 insignia from WW2.
What model kit?
@@maxrpm2215 Its Revell 03904, F104G Starfighter. I looked it up, the version i chose to do (theres different specific aircraft you can choose from, in this case 2, depending on the decals you use) is Serial 7304, from JaboGeschwader 33, Büchel. I looked it up apparently lots of older WW2 veterans were in there which is why they used this insignia. I always see the insignia when im looking at my shelf where the starfighter sits xD.
In colloquial german the 'Scheunentor' ("barn-door") is a desriptive term for a target, nobody could miss.
So the broad side of a barn for most of us English speakers.
For germans, barn door is target that cannot be missed. For americans, it's the whole damn barn..
Hmm... :D
the germans use say that the soviet tank gunners could not hit a barn door with the first 2 or 3 rounds without them being knocked out..LOL
camouflage and concealment became second nature to them
Incredible work, the guys who restored it are top notch as is the gun🫡❣️🙏
The restoration of this magnificent weapon is stunning. Saw it at Tiger Day 10 and was given a demo by some of the Museum staff. If they had ammo for it, it's fully operational!
Thank you, I have been waiting years for this. Amazingly there seems to be no other quality documentaries on the whole of YT about this.
Design of the Tiger II started in 1943 as a heavy, break-out tank for offensive operations. By the time it was rolling off assembly lines in 1945, it was being thrown into chaotic, defensive engagements for which it was never intended. Due to a chronic manpower shortage, many of the tank crews in 1945 were young and poorly trained. Under less lopsided conditions, the King Tiger would have been a much more successful tank than it was.
That’s amazing how good of a job y’all did restoring 👍
I'm a bit late for the party, so to speak, but just after watching this piece I can surely say that it's one of the best vid you got here. First of all - it's so constructed to answer all (for me at least) possible questions about the origins, usage, pros, cons and characteristics that would come to mind. Also, Mr Stuart got this ease of speaking (or shall we say: the flow?) that is pleasant to hear and at the same time condensed and informative as it can be. And, by the way, it proves that you Gents in the Tank Museum, are remarkably wise and smart people.
As a Polish (obviously not English-primary speaker) I have the pleasure to hear your magnificent British accent and so the Tank Chats are one of best yt videos I can find.
I wish your your collection will be growing as my favourite collections of videos will not end to appear on the sub bell ;)
All the best from Poland.
When I was growing up in Canberra Australia, the custodians of the Australian War Memorial museum had the pieces that were kept outside in the elements painted on a regular basis to keep them from corroding in the elements.
Damn big beastie isn't it. Well done with the restoration. Cheers from Tennessee
Wow that thing is an absolute unit! The Pak 44 must be gigantic!
You bet it was: nonsolopanzer.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/42-krupp-pak-44.jpg
What an excellent chat. Do we have a new rising star? The museum is full of such interesting people!
Stuart you're great! 19 minutes like a blink of an eye :)
I love your support for the best of history and saving all the things that historically are needed to keep the history alive
I saw this gun at Tiger Day. Until then, I hadn't realised how big the PaK 43/41 was. Thanks for diverting to telling us about Panzer abwehr Kanonen. Will we get something similar for UK, US and USSR anti-tank guns?
Appreciate you guys keeping us going during COVID. Thank you 👍
Will be visiting this weekend, pretty excited!
Fantastic cannon, beautiful piece of history ❤ vielen dank 👍💖
Again, detail packed and very interesting video with brilliant presentation from Stuart.
Thank you.
Funny to think he did this video, then shortly after when outside to give a longer version of this talk to a live audience!
His passion and commitment is very inspiring, thanks for this chats, bloody interesting. Cheers!
Very good talk , clear and confident speaker . Looking forward to seeing Stuart again.
This anti-tank series has been really superb, thanks.
Very good presentation. This guys pretty cool which makes me feel less of a war nerd because i love this stuff.
Fantastic presentation. Thank you.
Kudos to Library Manager Wheeler very well presented sir. I worked as a Machinist for over 40 years and greatly appreciate the amazing craftsmanship put into this beast of an anti tank gun. Someday we would like to visit England and view the Tank Museum.
Mr Wheeler does a grand job presenting a lot of historical information in good form.
Interesting switch!
The muzzle brake is designed to also divert the blast away from the ground so as to not kick up a HUGE. cloud of dust that would obscure the view of follow up shots
...plus, prematurely reveal the guns position...
The best bit of the chat - “it’s a big old beast”! Love it!
For anyone wondering, this is the same gun that was used on the King Tiger.
TIGER B (king tiger for brts) had a L70 88 with 1100m/s muzzle where as this is actually a L50 88 with only 900m/s muzzle
As always... really great video.
I learned alot and i hope to visit the Museum someday :)
Greetings from Germany
Not seen this guy before, but very knowledgeable without confuddling the viewer. I enjoyed that, thanks.
What a brilliant lecture. I loved every second of it. 🇬🇧
The British mounted the 17 PDR on the 25 PDR carriage as a stop gap measure to counter the Tiger in N Africa. It was called "The Pheasant"
no one know what 17 pounder is, englisgh are th eonly once using this measurement, and it is useless..
@@SDeww He knows what it is, I know what it is, as does anyone with knowledge of artillery regardless of their nationality..
@@SDeww That's not true; it's also used in North America, to measure cheeseburger portions. :D
Call it the 76.2 mm AT gun then. Either way the 17 pounder was a very effective AT gun for the British, and a proper headache for the poor folks on the wrong end of it, whether you count in pounds or kilos.
@@hoogmonster or even "3 inch."
If you guys could do one on a PaK40 as well, I absolutely love that piece. Saw one fire a couple blank rounds at the General George Patton Musuem at Fort Knox, Kentucky many years ago during a reenactment.
The Pak 40 was the most Successfull AT gun of the war.
And when used on the Stug lll was just devastating.
Highly informative. Good work Stuart Wheeler !
I love these Anti-Tank chats !
What an effort, great work guys! It is ironic having antitank guns on a tank channel
A most interesting and informative episode indeed , highly enjoyable thank you. Ps I believe they also managed to mount them on the Pak 43 Steyr-Krupp Waffentrager in the last few months of the War to give it , its own mobility . I believe the Russians still have an example in one of their Armour Museums.
Excellent Tank Chat. Totally informative but still concise. Really enjoyed it.
Quality material as always. Excellent presentation, Mr Wheeler, welcome aboard!
The „door knocker“ is quite a rough translation of „Heeresanklopfgerät“, more appropriate would be „Army Knocking Device“. In German „Heeresanklopfgerät“ is full of sarcasm, resulting from the shock the German soldiers had facing T-34s and KV tanks they could not penetrate.
They'd already had the bad news in 39, Matilda II had upset a few PAK gunners during the battle for France.
Arméns dörrkläpp med andra ord. 😁
PAK = Panzer-Anklopf-Kanone ;)
Fast forward a few years and you see two Egyptian troops in the desert knocking out tanks at three klicks with guided missiles that come in a suitcase.
but costs several thousand money per missile. like the Javelin, each missile costs something like 100,000$
@@jamieslingsby9907 yeah, but no tankie afterwards jamie, almost a 100% kill ratio.
Ah, the good old Sagger...
After'43 the Germans had the $2,000 Panzerfaust able to knock out a $85,000 tank. Very good cost-benefit ratio.
@@jamieslingsby9907 How much per tank?
Tank chats rule! Excellent presentation about this deadly anti tank gun! Keep em coming guys!
Great work on that Gun.This is a very nice reconstruktion.All staff could be very proud of their work! Thank you.
PaK 43/41: (Exists)
Sherman commanders: "Why do I feel like I'm in someone's crosshairs?"
Sherman commander: “Why do I hear final boss music?”
Sherman commander: "Why I'm dead?"
Because you are
@@AKUJIVALDO because you didn't turn and run after hearing end boss music
''if you do like theese tank chats''
I love theese tank chats!
thanks for the awesome content!
"These".
Excellent talk! Thank-you!
This was incredibly interesting, really enjoyed listening to Stuart. Thanks for this!
It's a great place to visit. I went for a tank dat in 2019. I was sitting between a group of Russians and Germans who both laughed when the presenter was saying the best tanks were the british ones:)) Well worth a visit!
Great (anti-)tank chat special! Excellent presentation, very well thought out, excellent editing, great sound quality, great material, timely and relevant footage (historical and present).
Will we be seeing more of Stuart Wheeler? I hope so!
Agreed
Some facts coming up my mind watching the video:
The PAK 43/41's nickname in the German army was 'Scheunentor' which can be translated as 'barn gate'. The nickname is actually way more precise than I expected.
3:45 afaik the 13mm anti tank round is the ancestor of the .50 cartridge for the Browning M2.
4:30 the PAK 35/36's had a little bit of edgy nickname. The abbreviation PAK means PanzerAbwehrKanone (TankDefenceGun) but it got called PanzerAnklopfGerät (Tank Door Knocking Device) because it being pretty inefficient in its actual anti tank role soon.
Edit: Turned out, two of these facts get actually mentioned in the video at some point, but at least you got complemented the German words. :)
"Tank Door Knocking Device" That's hilarious !
13mm at round, did not inspire the .50 cal, just similar ideas at same time
Fascinating talk. Very well presented too. Thank you.
Love watching these guns fire! crazy!
We need to download Stuart's brain, holy cow...that was an amazing knowledge dump! Thank you Tank Museum and hope we all survive this nonsense.
I remember my dad telling me about the war, the German anti tank guns were like telegraph poles. I always thought he was exaggerating until i saw them myself.
Dad was right
Great narration. Extremely knowledgeable gentleman. 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Another excellent video from the Tank Museum guys.
I'd be interested in comparing the 7.5cm Pak 40 to this.
140 odd mm of pen, vs 200 odd mm of pen, with less ricochet chance
Generally good German pronunciation, too! Just remember we don't have the "th" lisping sound (except as a speech impediment). So even though words like "Panther" have a t and an h, we just say the "t" part out loud.
Tanks for te details. :)
yeah that did not hold long. the new anti tank chats video is an absolut massacre of pronounciation.....
That looks like a beast of a gun.
Very good video, as always from the Tank Museum.
He forgot one the 128mm on the Jagtiger which was next in line also as an anti tank gun during the very late stages of WW2.
9:26 allied indian troups by the look of them in italy ? ive seen footage of the in docs from monti cassino
Keep up the great work. I love these talks.
Excellent series. Thank you.
wouldn't mind seeing one about the british 6lb, the 17lb stop gap (phesant) and the final 17lb - maybe even the 25lb :)
And the US 90mm duel purpose, which for some reason usually gets forgotten.
With 3.5 t weight it must have been pain to move around. With Pak 40, all you need is a truck or infantry carrier, this thing would likely require actual artillery tractor just to get from point A to point B, nevermind even deploying it in rough terrain. Picking it up and turning by crew members, if enemy tanks appear outside of traverse limit of a gun, seem also out of question.
I can't remember the source, but believe it or not I have seen a photo of several Germans moving one into position on a hard surface. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures
Yeah once they're deployed they're not gonna be moved around, and if they're being moved around they're probably fooked. I figure it would take atleast 6 to 10 men to shunt it about any distance
@@jsd795 could be possible if the gun is properly balanced on the wheels and so the men "just" would have to lift the weight of the "feet" (sry I don't know the word for this thing in english). Like the German did with the Nebelwerfer for example.
@@maade9642 I wish I could remember were I saw that photo, but that is exactly how they were going about it, it also seems like there were two men on each wheel and they were using the holes in the wheel for leverage, at any rate it did not look fun
8.8 anti-aircraft guns also needed artillery tractor to tow.
I can't even imagine what was needed to move 12.8 cm PaK...
Outstanding thanks for the history of how came about the designing of the gun.
This was very good. Great perspective. Thank you again.
5 Soviet tankers downvoted this :)
@Graham Clarke A poisonous comment....
What did he rightly say at the end of his presentation? „There were so many tanks coming... to many tanks to deal with them all ...“ Yup, indeed.
I really love Tank Chats! Wonderful content!
That explains why this gun is so tall. Thanks for the technical detail. Excellent video!
Fun fact: my grandfather told me that the german 3.7mm anti-tank gun was called "Panzeranklopfgerät" by german soldiers, which basically means "knocking-on-a-tank's-door-device". Thats because by the time the second world war, and especially Operation Barbarossa started, the Penetration was already considered so bad.
37mm (from Pz III) could ruin a T-34. Of course, you would need 5-6 well-placed shots but it was possible sine T-34 couldn't hit the barn doors from 300m distance. I think it was faster to get the more T-34 escaped the field.
@@HanSolo__ The problem with the T-34 was visibilty the gun it self was quite accurate, so a German anti tank gun hidden in the woods/bushes could plink away many shots at a T-34 and the tank crew wouldn't have a clue where the shots are coming from.
They probably had the same name for the PAK43, except it didn't wait for anybody to open a hatch.
_Thats because by the time the second world war, and especially Operation Barbarossa started, the Penetration was already considered so bad_
Fun story: the PaK 35/36 was the most lethal gun in the world in 1941, in terms of tanks killed. Sure, it struggled against T-34s and KV-1s... but there were _tens of thousands_ of lighter Soviet tanks, like the BT-7 or the T-26. The door knocker was responsible for a large part of the 20,500 tanks lost by the Soviets.
Well, not at 'doors'.
'Difficult times' Hmmm, codes are used in a war.....
Great Report, thank you very much sir.
Superb chat. Very informative and well presented.
I think Stuart is the best of the presenters of the Tank Museum.
When one speaks of anti-tank weapons, one of the most overlooked is the Mauser 11mm. Yes, it turned out that this weapon could penetrate WW1 tanks and at the beginning of WW2 it could still penetrate virtually all light and medium armored vehicles. As WW2 progressed the Mauser 11mm was not a 100% penetration weapon, but by proper use, targeting, and some luck, it was still a hazard till the end of the war. The amazing thing I like to point out is that the round, from its development in 1871 till the end of its 1945 production, it was always black powder.
Not saying it isn't true but I've never heard that the Tankgewehr always used black powder throughout its lifetime. Also, I wouldn't say it's overlooked because it wasn't exactly the most effective/efficient weapon. Overlooked makes it sound like it's a hidden gem or something.
@@sam8404 You are mixing two topics. The Tankgewehr was a variation 1871/74 that fired a 13.2mm round, while the rifle I wrote of fired an 11.15mm projectile. In the use of the word "Overlooked" it might not fit the definition you set forth, but as one who has gone through a few stressful situations, if you find something that works to your benefit, even occasionally.......good enough for me.
@@daguard411 my mistake for getting them mixed up. And I'm not really sure what you're trying to say in the second half of your comment, I'd say it's your use of the word that doesn't fit rather than mine.
As I said 'overlooked' usually gives an implication of being a hidden gem that nobody ever thought of using in a certain way, which just isn't the case for those rifles.
Sure they can be good enough to get the job done, but there are many other things that could also do the job cheaper or more efficiently which is why those rifles weren't used at the same scale or effectiveness as other AT weapons. Not to mention in the later years of WW1 and especially WW2, AT rifles were practically useless for any serious targets other than very lightly armored vehicles. It didn't take very long after they were invented to become obsolete.
@@sam8404 If you would be so kind as to reread my original comment, you will see that I have denoted light and medium armored vehicles. As for your definition of the word "overlooked," if you look at the Oxford Dictionary Of The English Language you will easily read that your definition is just one of several. As for cheaper, a 100 dollar rifle seems very affordable. As for effectiveness, no device in combat is 100% effective. On to obsolescence, everything and everyone eventually becomes obsolete. Yet the most bothersome thing I can remember of those stressful situations is how stingy the toilet paper guy is.
@@daguard411 well I'm not dealing with your snark (and to be honest I'm a little surprised by how much you misunderstood my last comment, almost like it was on purpose) so I guess this is my last reply. Have a good one bud.
75 mm gun was ultimate antytank gun in second world war for germany.
Don't forget muzzle velocity. If it doesn't come out of the barrel quick enough it ain't going to do anything!
Great video. thanks for putting it together.
Excellent presentation. Thanks