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- David Fletcher is back! Join him as he discusses the FV601 Saladin - a six wheeled armoured car developed by Crossley Motors and later produced by Alvis. The Saladin has had a long service life and despite its dated design, is still in service with some countries.
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The Tank Lord has returned.
All Hail his mighty mustache.!!!
The Armoured Walrus.
Hail!
WE'RE NOT WORTHY TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF HIS GLORIOUS MUSTACHE!!!!
Give him a Knighthood for his services to Military History of Armour.
@@yank-tc8bz exactly!!!!!!
Really happy to see Mr. Fletcher again.
Really missed him and his knowledge- humour.
And that with the Saladin; build the Tamiya model and really loved it!
It was good well good by British standards witch isn’t saying much -David fletcher
I nearly fell over. Tank Chats with David Fletcher is back! The world is righting itself!
Surprised he is still around!
Nature is returning
Complete with his pronunciation of words. Salad...IN.
Yay!!
Ur ittiwsaayyy
We still have Saladins and Saracens in full running order here in Indonesia used by reserve army units 🙈
Can you get me a new set of tyres for mine?
In a strategic sense they make sense. They're cheap to run and light enough to be carried on civilian ferry's.
Same here in Honduras, main armor of cavalry units. I've been inside one
Gannicus-Cuentos Y Leyendas love Honduras 👌🏽
Starfireaw11 you need to inquire the Army quartermaster i think they went for a local producer for the spare tires 😬
My car has a rear driver when my mother in law is in the back seat.
no. Then it has a commander. And/or a dragon engine
So sad to hear David is no longer making videos, and i can't see how he can be replaced to be completely honest, as he has a wonderful way he presents and his knowledge is top shelf and mixed with his unique humour makes for one of my favourite youtube presenters of any genre!
....I know he may not be interested in the idea, but he would be a great podcaster on the subject of Tanks !!
2nd royal tank regiment on exercise crescent moon .circa 1960. I drove a Saladin from the coast of lybya south to the border with Chad to the Tibesti mountains. And back again. A long hot journey.It performed very well. I still have some old black and white photos of that journey. The Saladin Saracen and ferret's did their job in the lybyian desert. Plug the kettle in under the commanders seat and make the tea.
Heaven forbid if anything happened to David Fletcher a statue should be erected in the tank museum.
TH-cam + David Fletcher = the man that's brought tanks to the masses
How about a tank named after him? With a stylish moustache on it.
Stalin did it first.
Lol I thought it was Hitler that brought tanks to the masses.
What do you mean, they should erect a statue? He *is* the statue.
Just before the shutdown, they stood him up next to that Saladin with a couple tins of biscuits and a BV, and he just waited for things to quieten.
Well, it would be more like a statuette.
One of my most vivid memories of the footage coming out of Kuwait during the invasion was that of a Kuwaiti Saladin valiantly battling Iraqi forces, it's main gun firing and turret swinging to engage targets in the city center.
Though I don't know the fate of the vehicle or its crew, it seemed to me, at the time, to be symbolic of the spirit of the Kuwaiti people...............................
Kuwait is part of Iraq, it was only divided off because that area contained a great deal of oil. Please fill who did the dividing. Peace be unto you.
@@martinwarner1178 I'm well-aware of the geopolitical chicanery that made the modern middle-east, but don't try to use past political decisions as an excuse for blatant land-grabs.
Saddam was an imperialist bent on "reintegrating" a Mesopotamian Empire. He would not have stopped at the borders of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia had his gambit succeeded.
Mesopotamia, like all of the world- with NO EXCEPTIONS is a land dominated by tribes and tribal customs, mores and laws. Regions are dominated by tribes and sub-sects and typically want to be left to rule themselves.
Friction develops when a "government" that purports to have rule over those lands tries to impose its will.
In the case of Saddam's Iraq, that led to the gassing of whole villages and tribes.
So, martin warner, How far are you willing to go to make Kuwait an official part of Iraq?
@@karlbrundage7472So the CIA enabled a local thug to take control and become a ruthless leader. That suited the Americans as he was their guy!
America are currently fighting the Russians with Ukrainian Labour... that's a win/win in Langley.
P. S. If I "commit suicide" tonight, tell me mum I love her... 🙂
"they said it could drive on any four wheels after blowing any two off, and that's not true. you had to choose which two you got blown off"
words to live by.
I think it would work with any two non-adjacent wheels blown off, counting the two front or two rear as adjacent. With two adjacent wheels gone though you're going to get out and walk.
@@WalkaCrookedLine exactly.
@@WalkaCrookedLine Or you take one wheel off from elsewhere to balance the vehicle out?
"what a load of rubbish" LOL
Well that makes me feel old! I worked on the Saracen, the Armoured Personnel Carrier variant back in the '70s. I guess I'm a museum piece too now ... or so my grandkids tell me.💀💀💀
@Robert Wood; no sir. That makes you a Classic, just like the awesome vehicle!
@@AndyTernay Thanks Andy, that's made my day 😎
Robert Wood: Me too.....I drove both of them in the 70s. I loved the Saracen but hated the Saladin because it always felt like it was top-heavy and about to overturn if you went around a corner at high speed :-)
He explain.
He expand.
but most importantly
The moustache is back!
Isn't this meme supposed to rhyme?
@@Andrew-yl7lm It was but I suck at ryhme's. You do it.
MR. FLETCHER, the true treasure of the Tankmuseum! Forget the last running Tiger 1, just a ordinary prop compared to this Sir.
Best wishes Mr Fletcher, stay healthy!
Two dislikes are from Richard The Lionheart.
Lee or from wargaming...
@@kristofferjohansson3768 He makes a wordplay with historical reference, but I guess it wooshed you.
Peter Conen hehe, didn’t even reflect on the tank name...
Richard the Barbarian you mean
I`ve seen footage of Kuwaiti Saladins taking on Iraqi T54/5`s when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Well exept maybe the front turret, they would be able to spall the tanks.
@@F4Wildcat He didn't say they were winning.
Joke: What do you call the Italian variant of this vehicle? The Caesar Saladin.
If it falls over its a tossed Saladin.
Had 4 reverses. No forward.
Get out
and when the caesar saladin retreats, it is a chicken caesar saladin
Brilliant.
Great to see the man back, awesome as always.
Dear Tank Museum: Please make sure the Davids know how glad we are for their continued service. Mr. Fletcher in particular has a regular cheering section on every new video.
I recently visited The Tank Museum, and it was a dream come true.
Glad to support the Tank Museum, and i hope to visit again soon.
David Fletcher MBE, For The Win!
'They use to make claims like that.. a load of rubbish' - he's back..
I didn't know Salvador Dali drove Saladins... How surreal...
"Salvador Dali in a Saladin," try saying that five times fast!
Thx, Finally the Saladin and plz more Sixxer the Saracen or the four wheel Ferret, i was 2 years old when a 7 year old boy played in the backyard with Matchbox Saladin , Saracen and ferret cars i tried to play with him like the days before when we played with Cars but this time he told me no Michael your are too young thats nothing for you, i was really upset and it ignited my love for british sixxers, when i came into school i buyed all sixxer from Matchbox incl the stalwart and then we moved downtown near the street and every autumn during BAOR manvoures i had the oppurtunitiy to play in Tanks and arm. Cars and had much fun with the Tommys incl. Choclate and engl drop in a golden Can.
Last time i saw a Saladin was in 72 or 73 but it was not a BOAR Vehicle it was a BGS germ. Borderguard unit driving thru my Village.
Like you, I had a Matchbox Saladin, Saracen and Ferret (could never figure which end was front) and a Stalwart tow truck but also a 20 pounder Centurion and a 5.5 inch gun/howitzer. Where my aunt and uncle found them in the US (they were Christmas presents) remains a mystery.
"Thats gotta be the cutest wheeled AFV i have ever seen"
-So it would seem
*BASS BOOSTED HANS ZIMMER INTENSIFIES*
I own a Ferret Mk 2. Most women call it cute.
Cutest armored car I'd have to say it the late model beaverette they got over there is the winner. That I know about anyways.
I agree F4W. If something looks right it generally is, certainly from that post WWII era. The gun was excellent giving good fire support for "B" regiments. However, being a recce vehicle it's most potent weapon was the radio. Which is probably why the Ferret being smaller and easier to conceal but with the same radios, outlived it in service.
I still want one. Seriously, I do.
well, it's little brother the Ferret is more cute, but there's no disliking a super ferret ;)
It's 2020, why can't the UK still make its own wheeled AFV?
The FV600 series were very good, we need a new family of such vehicles, designed and made in the UK.
David Fletcher -- the Man, the Legend, accept no substitute. Welcome back David!!
You missed a bit :) the Man, the Legend, the Moustache, accept no substitute.
I've always thought the Saladin was a great example of British light armor. The Scimitar and Scorpion tracked AFV's were other impressive examples developed during the Cold War.
The only thing he said that didn't compute was when he mentioned Swingfire missiles and needing luck for them to hit the target. I was a Swingfire controller. They were as effective at maximum range, which would be the same regardless of the vehicle platform, as they were up close. Accuracy wise, they were as accurate as the controller who guided them onto the target. Fire and forget missiles inevitably took over from the Vigilant and Swingfire et al, but on their day they were state of the art.
Swingfire was easily the best of the early generation ATGM. The thought that went into its survivability in real world conditions was in a different league to other systems. In its SACLOS upgraded version it was superior to the TOW, at least until the TOW2 and its variants arrived, at that time Swingfire was in its last years of service.
I wonder how many other boys had a Dinky Toy Saladin in the '50s. It looked just right and was beautiful to this ten year old. I'm very happy to see you back, David.
I had the Saracen, Saladin, numerous trucks, 25 pounders etc. .. but my pride and joy was a Centurion tank complete with Scammel tank transporter. Oh the joy.
A HESH round is as effective at any range - its penetration does not depend on velocity. The only reason that a Saladin might need for getting close is the inherent loss in accuracy of a short barrelled gun over distance, which combined with the subsequent low velocity of the round, means achieving hits at medium range is a problem.
Nice one gents! One of my favorite vehicles. I did spot a minor mistake however. David describes the turret crew as "commander and loader". This is incorrect. The turret crew were a commander and a gunner: the commander (right) loaded the gun, and the gunner (left) doubled up as radio operator.
This seems counter-intuitive and is different to most two-man turrets where the commander is also the gunner, however wartime experience had shown that it was quite difficult for the commander to maintain all-round situational awareness while spending quite a lot of his time peering through the narrow field of view of the gunnery optics. On the other hand, loading (at least in a recce vehicle) was an intermittent activity and he could spend a lot more time looking out of his periscopes as a result.
This novel arrangment proved so successful in practice that it was carried over into the Scorpion and Scimitar vehicles, although the positions were reversed in those, with the gunner/radio-operator on the right and the commander/loader on the left.
Shout out to the trousers.
Moustache hogging all the glory.
(Edit: pants --> trousers)
Well done on the edit
LOOK AT MY RED TROUSERS
Not Red, Cherry. A fine Calvary colour
I met a fancy trousers lawyer toda... See? This fails with trousers. Pants is True choice :- )
But I am forever with the Red Coat army in the etarnal fights of the football front.
I was quite interested in the video as I have a small model of a Saladin Armoured Car made by Corgi Toys during its service life
The Man
The Myth
The Mustache has Returned.
Good to see Mr. Flatcher, by the way, this Tank still used by the Indonesian Army, along with the other product from Alvis such as APC Saracen and Ferret scout panzer.
One of these passed me one day on the way to school, in the seventies I think. It made a hell of a noise: a big, deep rumble accompanied by a whine from the engine. And it seemed huge next to the cars of the era. Really impressive.
The tankies had these when I was infantry in Cyprus in late 80's.
I know because we painted one of them pink when they weren't looking!
I also think the Kuwaitis used them in action when Iraq invaded, I'm sure I saw footage of them fighting in Kuwait City..
Sadly can only hit like once. Welcome back Sir. Great to see you again
I own a Mk 2 Ferret and a Mk 5 Saracen. I'd like to add a Mk 2 Saladin to the collection, one day.
Reminds me of the goto to page in 1950's & 60's Dinky catalogue, after that you need a Champ, Humber, Centurion, Antar, Scammell...
If they are real then 'You lucky git'.
The Saladin just looks right. If anybody has one for sale, drop me a reply.
I know where you can buy one in the uk , road legal
@@jerrys1923 Where?
@@gusgone4527 - Military Ground Vehicles dot com are UK dealers. I checked and they have a Humber for sale right now. Maybe ask them about possiblity? Also if you reach them could you tell them to answer their damned email!
@@tamlandipper29 Roger your last. Out.
Please please do a video on a South African vehicle
David Fletcher back and in top form! Great video.
Great to see Mr Tank back where he belongs.
Growing up in postwar Germany, I never saw one of these bad boys IRL. But I do still recall when I first saw one in The Avengers (Ep. 4.22 "What The Butler Saw") when John Steed arrived at the scene in an Alvis Saladin Series II FV601. As a young boy, I was thoroughly impressed by the design and therefor decided on the spot that this was exactly what my future self should have as a car.
It got even better when an Alvis Saracen FV603 APC appeared in Ep. 5.24 ("Mission-Highly Improbable"). I still remember that the poor thing was hit with some kind of shrinking ray weapon and reduced to Matchbox size with Steed inside. Suffice to say, I was more concerned for the well-being of the Saracen.
If you lived close to the border with the GDR you might have seen the BGS using these for border patrol.
Always had a soft spot for Saladin, a very interesting car. Thank you for the video!👍
To have one wheel blown off is unfortunate. To have two blown off would be careless.
Apparently the kuwati ones did ok all things considered back in 1990
Yes. The 76mm HESH took out a few T55s. Not on the front armour I would guess. Well done the Kuwaitis.
Welcome back Mr Fletcher.
I say this with due trepidation...
The description of HESH is a little bit misleading. It’s not a kinetic round so it’s effectiveness doesn’t reduce with range (providing its in range of course. The main limiting factor of it as an anti-tank weapon was mainly its comparatively small calibre.
True. Could he have meant that the short barreled gun was too inaccurate at long range?
I think he meant ''you had to get a bit close'' because the gun itself was only 76mm so its range by default was smaller than something like 100mm of proper tanks and its velocity was also low since its a short barreled gun.
craby man maybe, but that’s a function of the gun rather than of HESH as an ammunition nature.
What I usually hear is that HESH is a general-purpose round: if you have that you don't need HE, and better against armour, concrete, and buildings in general. I don't know how the armour thickness affected the spalling it depends on.
How different was the gun and ammunition that was used in the Scorpion?
(And, while it's not a tank, how was the Stalwart related?)
HESH ammo has quite a low muzzle velocity compared to HE, therefore it's quite difficult to hit a target at long distance. On training range it's quite nice to observe the rounds while forking in the target.
Thank You Mr David Fletcher MBE for your intelagent ,informative leactures
This is the sort of chap you'd love to meet in a country pub on a winters night , listening to the stories no one would ever dare print ,
fell asleep...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I saw one for sale not far from me a few years ago for something like $30,000 USD. I REALLY wanted it but just couldn't convince my wife to get a loan ti pay for it.
Hail the king has returned
Can we continue the with the campaign to make David Fletcher my grandfather.
16 mil is an armor. And sloped. :) Oh we are spoiling you, David, after Mark IV level of armor in good olde days.
Best looking armoured car ever, all the early post war British FV series looked the part from the Champ to the Antar, Ferret to Centurion.
AT LAST! The one I've been waiting for from the very beginning, and it was totally worth the wait!
I regularly drove Stalwarts around workshops with the center wheels removed - drove OK but increased the turning circle by about three times! ( when suspended towing Stollies Saracens and Saladins you had to remove the center wheels and the sun gears from the rear hubs - the Bundeswehr took a dim view of towing with the front wheels flailing around in mid-air ! )
Gotta say I love the basic idea of a literal backup driver. Zip right out of Dodge muy pronto. Imagine blundering right into serious trouble on a narrow road and just zipping away like some Benny Hill routine. "Whoops! Cya!" (Yaketty Sax)
I still have a Matchbox model of the Saladin from my childhood. Probably dates to about 1960.
I had a plastic one about 18" long in 1970's, I believe it might still be in the loft!
Was this part of the basis for the later Alvis Stalwart? As an aside, the old Crossley factories were both within 5 miles of where l live. There are still one or two folks round here who used to work there.
“There is nothing more hated in Britain than a new gun”. Bring back the Brown Bess...or the longbow.
Bring back the Brown Bess...or the longbow. - I've it said that if Henry V's Band of Brothers ("We few, we happy few") could have been reincarnated for Waterloo they would have shot the French off the field long before the Prussians arrived. Twelve aimed shots a minute from a weapon more accurate than a musket, don't you know....
Nature is healing...
There was a picture of a Kuwaiti Saladin fighting the invading Iraqi Army back in 1990(?). I wonder how it fared.
Transmission wind-up was not the result of lack of a differential between the left and right wheels, it was the result of no differential between the front, middle and rear wheels. On dirt roads or travelling fast (relatively!) on a straight asphalt road, was no problem, but driving slow on on winding asphalt roads, for instance in built-up areas, caused a lot of wind-up. The easiest solution was to drive with one set of wheels over the kerb and sidewalk.
There was a dieselisation kit offered in the nineties, with a Perkins 180 hp engine. I believe it was bought by Indonesia for their Saladins and Saracins.
Photos shown of 2rtr in lybya in the early sixties. These vehicles were issued to test them in desert conditions . Saladin's Saracens and ferret's.
a tank museum = a good day
a fletcher vid = a very good day
:)
RE. the wheels off: I remember my Dad taking me to Bov. in the summer (ab. 1968) and us going out to the ranges where there was a demo. "battle". A "Sallycan" drove behind a hillock "hit a mine", two wheels were blown 50 feet into the air, and it apparently (though with different number plates!) rolled out from behind the hill and carried on.
Honduras has a bunch of these. Very useful vehicle for mountainous, drug-fighting, poor countries.
Great to see mister Einstein of Tanks againn👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🥳🥳🥳🥳
I had a figurative day in the mud and Mr Fletcher was just the motivational speaker I needed.
See the picture with this young man in it you immediately know it's going to be an amazing road of a story 😂 I could listen to him talk about paint drying
This video has nearly 50 dislikes right now. Explain yourselves.
Australia put that turret on M113's to make a Fire Support Vehicle.
Welcome back to Mr David Fletcher. I do enjoy what you bring to this Channel because it is always informative post
Bro david fletcher is the realest man I've ever seen with that mustache... Its crazy how all that knowledge is stored in there
There is no substitute for David Fletcher, it's good to see him. Saladin is a very handsome vehicle, it seems David likes the Saladin, so I like them. It's a shame Crossley Motors has ceased to exist.
My name unfortunately is the only connection that I have to the once great company, Crossleys also made quality carpets, but once again that is my only connection, a totally irrelevant post but it's been raining constantly all day and my keyboard finger was looking for something to do🌧️☔😊😊.
@@CrusaderSports250 ~ It's a shame the Studebaker Car Company is no more as well, but they could compete with Chrysler, Ford and GM. -- Post WW2 some many companies couldn't make it, and that's interesting to me.
_"Saladin, where are you going with that grand [armoured car]?"_ - Some Egyptian
David Fletcher strikes me as a guy I would defiantly like to sit down and share a pint of ale with.
And now I can let my breath out. I feel good.
Not permitted to use the main turret armament against insurgents in Aden '68 for "political" reasons.
With Saracens, and Saladins, and Ferret armoured cars
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
With the armour-piercin' bullets of me little Armalite
THE KING HAS RETURNED
10:15 "It was claimed that it could run after losing 2 wheels...it's a load of rubbish...it could lose 1.."......other vehicles look on & are still impressed that it could afford to lose any at all.
looks a lot like the Lynx 6x6 in World of Tanks
The mustache id back!!!
At 4:22 - great shot : Saladin, Ferret, Ferret, Saladin, Saracen, Ferret.
Great to see Mr Fletcher alive and well.
Tank destroyer? I love highly mobile wheeled fighting vehicles. The US used a 4wheel Military Police AFV in Korea when I was there in 2011
The whole "wheels blown off" thing reminds me highly of my Space Engineers cars, which always have redundant wheels 🤣
It's easily clobbered!! Brilliant, Glad to see you back Mr Fletcher ... a national treasure & so's the moustache!
I grew up in Belfast in the 70's. I remember a Salidin parked on our local railway bridge which marked a local sectarian interface. Me and my friends couldn't wait to finish school to dash down and see the soldiers and climb on the "tank with wheels"
Mark Campbell - Sure that wasn’t a Saracen?
Atheist Orphan Naa mate, I was an army barmy kid, spent my childhood building airfix models, deffo a Saladin, would have been about 1970/71
Mark Campbell - Fair enough. By brother served out there in the mid-late 70’s, riding around in what they referred to as ‘Sary-cans’ fitted at the front with ‘Paddy-pushers’ (large bull-bars).
They also built fire engines on the same six wheel base for the RAF.
The Salsmander. I had it as a Matchbox car as a kid, and absolutely loved it. the same with the Saracen, Saladin and Salamander sibling, the Alvis Stalwart. ❤️
You guys should check out the masks they have in the store that have Davids famous mustache.
Great chat. I hope a review of the Ferret is in the works.
Truly marvelous to see Mr. Fletcher back in the saddle again:-) excellent morale booster!
Ahh, David Fletcher is back again !!! Great ! Love your explanation on the wheelded vehicle !! Great !! Fletcher back is museum back !!!
Fletch returns!! Welcome back Mr Fletcher
I'm not even kidding when I say that my girlfriend and I just discussed visiting the UK (a destination we've never much entertained for a vacation) explicitly to visit the Tank Museum and possibly meet Mr. Fletcher. This man is just such a glorious mix of knowledge and sincere dry wit that it's a small wonder that he's so loved for his tank chats. David Fletcher: Making tanks and museums as awesome as they should be.
Wonderful to see mr Fletcher back. Let the Fletcherisms commence!