Because something needs to give magic builds an actual edge in the competition between them and physical builds (support builds are just doing their own thing). Edit: Also there’s a lot more mutli-enemy boss fights in the Vengeance route so it gets more value when you get it or during new game plus godborn runs
yea i basically only did moonlight frost until superbosses(beside shiva if he can even be called a superboss anymore, with ice mage becomes a normal boss battle) literally, its fucked up, i did thalassic calamity if bosses didnt have any kind of resist to ice to be fair, it is the game where mc's theme is either the god of storms and oceans or the god of the moonlight... very ice themed lol
I think for this Video, you need a Pie Chart to see how much a Boss is weak to an Element (Physical, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Force, Dark, Light, and None)
Meanwhile we have I think, 5 bosses in the entire game weak to Phys. And only two of them are mandatory lol The 5 being, Namaah, Onyankapon, Innana, Tiamat's Goat Head and Masakado.
Thalassic Calamity is stronger. Moonlight Frost is only 200 base power, it's weaker than Bufudyne on single-target [215 power] and far weaker than Bufubarion [265]. Moonlight Frost's advantage is the AoE and peice; it's stronger than Mabufubarion [185]. It is weaker than Ice Age [230] however; and it costs 100 MP compared to Bufubarion's 50; Mabufubarion's 75 and Ice Age's 65. Moonlight Frost is a bad skill unless you are using it for both AoE and Peirce. Single-target peice you should be using Ice Age which is cheaper and stronger. Multi-target non-peice you should be using Bufubarion or Thalisstic Calamity. Thalassic Calamity; on single target; does 3*95. This gives it an effective power of 285 against a single target; surpassing Bufubarion. Only the Inanna-exclusive Raging Blizzard is stronger. In fights like Zeus+Odin; it's hitting 6 times. And if used with Dance; Thalassic Calamity will hit all 7 times on a single target; putting it at an absolutely monsterous 665 power. [potentially even higher with certain demon innates helping you out] Did I mention Calamity only costs 45 MP?
Not only is ice busted as a offensive type in the late game, but being immune to ice is also HUGE. I used a Jack Frost essence affinity for one of the fiends, and I just didn't change it until the very last hours because absorbing ice made many fights so much easier
Once you obtain Moonlight Frost, you finally get to understand what it was like to be on the receiving end of that from base SMTV, and it’s such a power fantasy. Then again, Vengeance already has given us even more Godlike tools, so I suppose it’s just the icing on the frosty cake. Also, on a side note, I take something of an offense slandering Amanozako, because she is our daughter, but I can’t say I disagree with the fact that Pixie is superior. I just have a thing for small companions being our partner, just look at Gallica. But I know it’s just jokes in a script. Cheers Jaff.
Thing is even without Moonlight Frost; in base game, the Nahobino's strongest unique skill in raw numbers was... Thaliistic Calamity. Which is Ice. I feel almost like Atlus was aware of this in Vengance and why they made Tiamat absorb Ice.
Ice really is one of the best elements in this game. If there's every someone doesn't wanna farm to max each magic afinity while doing a magic build Ice is at the top of the list along with elec and dark.
@@vanilla8956 I would rather both exist and Nahobino have a unique fire attack as it’s the only element that he doesn’t have a unique skill for 😭. Unless you count Inflaming Divinity
@@jaffinator2166 Why would that count man? My New Game Plus build just has Trisagon sticking out like a sore thumb while everything else has something cool looking like Lunar Hurricane or Profaned Land. I picked Tri because it reminded me of Lucifer's star throwing move but still. Also I meant I want Thalassic to be a fire skill and have it be Lava, I made a mod request but no one seems interested so If I ever do have the time to figure out moding I might try to make that
@jaffinator2166 Honestly we need it back. I would say a Plant Element would be needed too and I was hoping they'd add Nuclear and Psi into future games.
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Seriously why is Moonlighf Frost so busted???
THERE'S NO DODGING THIS
@@maverick5169 counterpoint. Luminescent Mirage
To save my Ice attack only run
Because something needs to give magic builds an actual edge in the competition between them and physical builds (support builds are just doing their own thing).
Edit: Also there’s a lot more mutli-enemy boss fights in the Vengeance route so it gets more value when you get it or during new game plus godborn runs
@@mrhbombmanthen again doesn’t it look like a physical skill
Moonlight frost went so hard with tsukiyomi theme the devs decided to let you experience its power. Seriously imagine if it bp was 300 instead of 200.
To be fair, Elusive Eclipse is BP 300. So we can kinda experience that.
“Your fates already sealed….”🖐️ 🌑
@@FierceWing such a raw line
Your fate's already sealed.
Your fate's already sealed.
Your fate's already sealed.
Your fate's already sealed.
CUT!
CUT!
CUT!
CUT!
In the name of the fucking Moon
I'll PUNISH YOU!
Damn, and you don’t get a puppet wife in this game.
*99 missed calls from Sailor Moon*
The best part is that moonlight frost ignores resistances, so even if they aren't weak to ice, their fate is already sealed regardless.
@@SEMIA123 other best part is that it’s also All-Target. The only All-Target piercing skill in the game the player can use
@@jaffinator2166what about gaia rage?
meanwhile, my strength based brain: cool moves, unfortunately murakumo
@@randomnobody2145 Murakumo’s cool but grows kinda stale after awhile IMO
@@jaffinator2166 i agree but at the same time when that starts happening i just skip the skill animations, especially during superbosses
Some days ago, since Vengeance fixed the level scaling, I decided to fight Shiva for the first time
He is weak to Ice :))
yea i basically only did moonlight frost until superbosses(beside shiva if he can even be called a superboss anymore, with ice mage becomes a normal boss battle) literally, its fucked up, i did thalassic calamity if bosses didnt have any kind of resist to ice
to be fair, it is the game where mc's theme is either the god of storms and oceans or the god of the moonlight... very ice themed lol
So true!
Masakados is vulnerable to ice which makes thalassic calamity probably the best option for damage with nahobino against masakados
I think for this Video, you need a Pie Chart to see how much a Boss is weak to an Element (Physical, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Force, Dark, Light, and None)
In a nutshell
Everyone weak against cold water.
ice bucket challenge (now more deadly)
Meanwhile we have I think, 5 bosses in the entire game weak to Phys.
And only two of them are mandatory lol
The 5 being, Namaah, Onyankapon, Innana, Tiamat's Goat Head and Masakado.
I’m glad people still use Thalassic Calamity.
Thalassic Calamity is stronger. Moonlight Frost is only 200 base power, it's weaker than Bufudyne on single-target [215 power] and far weaker than Bufubarion [265]. Moonlight Frost's advantage is the AoE and peice; it's stronger than Mabufubarion [185]. It is weaker than Ice Age [230] however; and it costs 100 MP compared to Bufubarion's 50; Mabufubarion's 75 and Ice Age's 65.
Moonlight Frost is a bad skill unless you are using it for both AoE and Peirce. Single-target peice you should be using Ice Age which is cheaper and stronger. Multi-target non-peice you should be using Bufubarion or Thalisstic Calamity.
Thalassic Calamity; on single target; does 3*95. This gives it an effective power of 285 against a single target; surpassing Bufubarion. Only the Inanna-exclusive Raging Blizzard is stronger. In fights like Zeus+Odin; it's hitting 6 times.
And if used with Dance; Thalassic Calamity will hit all 7 times on a single target; putting it at an absolutely monsterous 665 power. [potentially even higher with certain demon innates helping you out]
Did I mention Calamity only costs 45 MP?
@@raikaria3090 Thallasic calamity got buffed in vengeance. I believe it does a base of 110 per hit
@@ultimate8948 Oh? the resource I use still says 95; and it's got the new moves.
I'am also weak to Ice unfortunately
@@baguettetheweirdguy2529 STRIKE!
I wanted this skill ever since I found out it could be learned with Essence Fusion. The style alone is DIVINE (arrowfall *ba dum tss*)
Nahobeeho loved this
@@DoubleJ466 Bee-Ho!
Thalassic calamity honestly one of my fav skills in the game ngl, also moonlight frost kills everything lol
Also now that I think about it, yeah almost everything in late game is screwed by ice
Basically my playthrough (I put all my points into magic)
Thalassic Calamity vs pretty much any Taito boss is just hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
@@thedom2753 same with Moonlight Frost
Then there's Samael and Shiva, who are also weak to Ice
@@HisuianLilligant oh believe me, we’ll get to them in due time
@@HisuianLilligant and don’t forget Khonsu Ra as well
Not only is ice busted as a offensive type in the late game, but being immune to ice is also HUGE.
I used a Jack Frost essence affinity for one of the fiends, and I just didn't change it until the very last hours because absorbing ice made many fights so much easier
Once you obtain Moonlight Frost, you finally get to understand what it was like to be on the receiving end of that from base SMTV, and it’s such a power fantasy. Then again, Vengeance already has given us even more Godlike tools, so I suppose it’s just the icing on the frosty cake. Also, on a side note, I take something of an offense slandering Amanozako, because she is our daughter, but I can’t say I disagree with the fact that Pixie is superior. I just have a thing for small companions being our partner, just look at Gallica. But I know it’s just jokes in a script. Cheers Jaff.
Fighting the Odin (and Along came Zeus!) when you have Lunar Hurricane with max speed
Thing is even without Moonlight Frost; in base game, the Nahobino's strongest unique skill in raw numbers was... Thaliistic Calamity. Which is Ice.
I feel almost like Atlus was aware of this in Vengance and why they made Tiamat absorb Ice.
@@raikaria3090 true but they also doubled down and made Samael weak to it
Don’t forget Bishamonten, Khonsu Ra, and Dazai
Ice really is one of the best elements in this game. If there's every someone doesn't wanna farm to max each magic afinity while doing a magic build Ice is at the top of the list along with elec and dark.
Well, I guess you can say, that they're now 'cool'
This is why Mermaid is the #1 best demon in smt v
“Worse Pixie” 😡
@@verdethestarwarrior1088 I mean does Pixie spam “Hey hey hey” every 5 seconds?
@@jaffinator2166 Oh, ya want some? Well do ya??
@@verdethestarwarrior1088 no 😭
I run this on my Nahobino as the sole AOE attack. Since it pierces and scales with magic, it goes great with Heavenly Ikuyumi.
When I first saw the move I thought it’d scale off of strength. If it did scale off strength the move would be peak
Hmmm seeing a theme here. 🤔
I don't like how Moonlight Frost makes Thalassic Calamity pointless though. I would rather have it be a fire spell
@@vanilla8956 I would rather both exist and Nahobino have a unique fire attack as it’s the only element that he doesn’t have a unique skill for 😭. Unless you count Inflaming Divinity
@@jaffinator2166 Why would that count man? My New Game Plus build just has Trisagon sticking out like a sore thumb while everything else has something cool looking like Lunar Hurricane or Profaned Land. I picked Tri because it reminded me of Lucifer's star throwing move but still. Also I meant I want Thalassic to be a fire skill and have it be Lava, I made a mod request but no one seems interested so If I ever do have the time to figure out moding I might try to make that
@@jaffinator2166 cuz fire is for Amaterasu, and also so disappointed they didn't add her even in Vengeance, just why we can't have our big sis wtf.
I think the moon is cold or smtg idk
It do be like that.
Why isn't Water it's own element already.
In Persona 2 it is
@jaffinator2166 Honestly we need it back. I would say a Plant Element would be needed too and I was hoping they'd add Nuclear and Psi into future games.