Tiger 8626 - Indeed, a trip to the gunsmith would be a good way to go. But as is, the gun is plenty able to take game appropriate for the 308 cartridge. That's the only reason I haven't done that. If I need to hit small targets at longer ranges, my Remington 700PS will do nicely. And I've always got ammo ready for that 700PS. Thanks for the comment, Steve
jbird22cal - I've never been gone...As you recall, I was making videos as many as 3 a week on YT. But since TH-cam started deleting some of my videos and continues to do that under the reason of "inappropriate content" while not really telling me what they object to (Ive had to try to determine exactly what was objectionable in each video - finally gave up on that) I actually deleted a few on my own when I found some commonality to YT deletions. Now I'm taking my video production spreading them out onto the Patreon platform for exclusive posting there where I.don't feel like I have to traipse on daisies. But I'll still maintaining videos on YT - videos where I probably won't upset the sensibilities. Have a great day, Steve.
Good video, FC LC45 as usual and thank you for all your hard work making it. I Just purchased the Lee 4 hole turret with auto indexing as a upgrade to my Lee single stage press. I'm honestly interested in your opinion on the new press I bought and what you think of it, and also if it was a good choice as a second press for faster reloading. Honestly, I'm pretty excited to get it tomorrow hopefully. Bought some extra parts for the press, so I should be be set if it works as it says it does. Thank you for any input on it.
Jef F - Not true, Jeff...All you have to do is pull a lot of press handles and triggers. Ive had the good opportunity to do both, and each of us keeps learning.... Best to ya, Steve
This video says "Yes, it's possible!" I think that "precision" ammunition could also be produced on my ancient Lyman Spartan single-stage press if you carefully do what's needed. Oh, wait -- I already do!
AD - Yes, our presses can do amazing things. This APP press does it with new concept of press design. Lee innovation to push press design has arrived..!! Best to ya, Steve
TJ - Yes, indeed, but as I said in the video, shooting a hair under 1 MOA was all I bought this rifle for. And getting some groups in the 4s has exceeded that. And if I need more accuracy than that, I've got my Remmy for 3s. However, I am not looking into getting into benchrest or long range competition shooting at this time whereby I need accuracy into the 1s and 2s, those sports are money and time pits, perhaps later if my grandsons really want to get into shooting. .Best to ya, Steve
my Ruger american stock did the same, I splurged got a Boyd's, with very minor fitting with the magazine its bedded, it's now shooting dime sized groups at 50, time to walk it out and see if she does at distance
MCK - Mark, Congrats on your rig. I've looked into the Boyds stocks, and if I get really ticked off at that piece of junk they call a stock on that Savage, I'll just have to go that way. So far, I haven't gotten that ticked off as of yet. Thanks for being out there Mark - Your sign is on nearly alll my videos.... Steve
I’m putting together my first precision rifle I got a new in the box a savage 110 long range hunter .300 win Mag 26” barrel and muzzle brake for $510 and got an Oryx chassis for $400 along with an inexpensive 25 power scope I already had. Hope to try it out this weekend. Never tried precision shooting before so I’m hoping for a 1” group if I’m lucky.
BB - You got a good buy there in that rig. A benchers shooter friend of mine always shook his head ... with hunting type factory ammo, you'll be lucky to get 1" 5 shot groups. He always said to get 200 rounds of good consistent brass and then buy the best bullets you can afford (now Bergers) to begin. I'm confident that you can make your goal if you are using good factory ammo. And if you are a reloader, you can develop loads that will get you sub 1 MOA. But you are probably aware that the favored rounds for long range is now the 6.5mm and 6mm. Your 300 Win Mag was very popular amongst the LR sniping community a few years back. Then they gravitated to the 50 BMG and 338 Lapua. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Hey Mr Cookie Great video thanks I noticed that you have two Limbsaver Barrel Deresonators on your rifle , I purchased one and fitted it to my .308 target rifle , my rifle has a fully floated barrel so I followed the instructions starting at the muzzle of the barrel shooting groups and moving towards the stock in small increments , the issue I’m having is that no mater where I position it the groups don’t tighten up if anything they get worse , I was wondering if putting another Deresonator back near the stock as you have would help or can you give me any advice , Thank you in advance, Aussie Steve .
Steve C - Hello to another of the great Aussies..!! The reason for the two is that my infernal stock is free floated, but then again it flexes a great deal. I actually ground out the stock to increase the barrel channel, but the stock fore end is of hollow construction and has ribs to increase the stiffness (fails miserably in doing that though). I can't keep grinding material out as the flex increases weakening the stock...I've researched getting a replacement stock on line, but really, what I need is to spend around $500 - $600 dollars for a good stock installed by a good gunsmith (another couple of hundred for labor). The gun isn't worth doing all of that... it is what it is - a 308 that will shoot groups slightly under 1 MOA reliably. I'm not going to be using that rifle to shoot ground squirrels at 400 yards. And the money can better be spent towards a precision rifle from Ruger or even Savage. Since it is free floated with whip impact, I tried the two deresonators and they give me a lot of adjustment. As you note, the front deresonator is pulled back to its position. I did get groups in the 4s when the flyers don't open the groups out to as much as 1 MOA. Some do report that the Deresonators do not help their groups, I find that they help, even my Rem 700PS that shoots 5 shot groups in the 3s is more consistent with the 1 deresonator on there - but that rifle has a good factory stork on there. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Looks like you show that the APP press can certainly keep your Savage happy. But I don't think you've shown that that is the best it can do; you'd need to have a rifle, stock and weather combination to see what the upper limit of what the press can produce. But dang, I think you have sold me on that nice handle! From an earlier video I saw a lot of flex in the press when shoulder bumping - I suspect your bench top is a bit on the thin side for the APP press. Would that be your opinion too or is the press its' self flexing a lot? I don't recall seeing that much flex on my set up.
rb - Yes on all you say...and very observant of you..!! It is the results that count. My concentricity gauge has shown that surplus ammo can have as much as .007" run out. The ammo produced for the Savage 11VT averages .001" run out. The APP press can produce consistent ammo while flexing as you note...I was seeing if the press would break doing the bumping and it held up very well. Let you in on a little secret though...I bought a second APP press to back up this one as if it failed, I would not have been surprised. Breaking the Lee APP press would have made an interesting video.... Have a great day, Steve
K M - Surely..!! First, we shoot without the Deresonator. Doing load workup as standard. Once the accuracy nodes are found, whatever that level of accuracy might be (and that is expressed as ES and SD as well as groups size depending on your own 100 yard or long range use and goals). Then the Deresonator is used strictly to tighten up the groups by reducing barrel whip. If free floated barrel, the Deresonator should begin 1" back of muzzle or muzzle brake ports. If not free floated or effectively not free floated, the Deres should be 1" from the fore end. If the group sizes improve there, log the position. Then shoot more groups with the deresonator moved back (or forward) in 3/4" increments. If goups tighten, continue to move away (or towards) from the muzzle until the groups either are satisfactory to you or the groups start worsening. Position the deresonator where the groups are best for you. Shoot additional groups to verify...it is the average group size that we hang our hats on. Depending on your rifle, you might get a spread in your average. Then don't change your load as if you do, you will have to retune. Side benefit to having the Deres on our barrels is we can put the gun down and the barrel has a nice protection buffer on it. However, rifle accuracy is a fleeting thing. As our rifling leads erode accuracy degrades the more shooting we do. Plus gun cleaning and copper control is also a significant factor. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
during the corona time . i shot a lot with springer airguns ,the so called magnum types .And if the gun recoils different , i mean it flips up left or right ,you got no good groups ,and this happens because of a different pressure by the shooter (Me) at the grip or stock ,. if the gun recoils and stays and returns at the aimpoint its a good group . springers are known for a good starting point for accurat shooting ,the foreend of that gun is not straight .half inch to the front or back will change the group
Im still very very new to reloading ammunition, so this question comes from not being knowledgeable enough yet. I fail to see how the type of press you use can affect the precision and accuracy of your ammunition. Wouldn't it be all down to the choice of dies, components, the prep work to the brass, and the consistency/accuracy of your powder charge measure? After all the press is the tool that moves the component through the die, seats the bullet etc. If you can dial in the dies to consistently produce the same result each time why would the press you use matter?
because the press holds the die and components. if the press has miss alignment issues or does not consistently maintain the same alignment it will affect the ammunition.
Mikuhunter39 - To echo what Sean T says - the press does matter as the alignment of the components achieved by the press is critical to the consistency of the ammo. But that alignment of components can be achieved in two ways - in a static rigid alignment made possible by the alignment of the ram with the die hole in the frame of the press - a la all the old C and O type standard design presses. But then there is the self aligning on the X and Y axis allowed by co axial designs whereby there is mechanical alignment to begin with, but then the die and/or the case has some co axial play to assure that alignment as the case is pressed into the die. In my own testing, I found the quality of the press is the least important factor behind quality of dies and quality of components, within reason, of course. But there is the confidence factor and appreciation/enjoyment factor of using a fine press...after all, we are spending some good time doing that ammo. So if someone favors a Forster Co-Ax or any of the fine Redding presses - I say Mo Powah to 'em. However, new reloaders who don't know those presses, may fine the Lee APP press to be beaching....especially if they get it on sale for $70. Have a great day, Steve
GM - Sound like you have a big bore air rifle there - those things are monsters..!! Yes, you can add a bit of tin to your air rifle casting alloy...will help the flow and will not harden your allow excessively, within reason, of course. Good shootin' and good hunting' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC I meant casting pure tin. I’m think of getting a 200grain+ mold in .357 and casting some slugs in pure tin or some sort of non lead alloy? Are you still doing experiments with non-lead alloys? also can’t seem to find a good mold do you know of one I should look at?
I loaded a round very similar to your round you used in this video and it shot really bad. I have never had any real good luck with IMR4064. Both of my 308's like Varget and 4895.
JH - 4064 is a good powder though, but for your use and needs, Varget and 4895 are certainly good powders. They are fine powders in my book as well...it's having good quantities of those powders on hand these days that is the trick.... Best to ya, Steve
App is the best choice for a "First Press" hands down.
Or the classic turret
Rockchucker.
@@luvtahandload7692 yup that's what I went with, with the inline fabrication case ejector system. Dillon will be next some day
I'd be thinking of restocking that savage barrel with the issues on that current stock. Otherwise, as always, great to hear your wisdom and reviews.
Tiger 8626 - Indeed, a trip to the gunsmith would be a good way to go. But as is, the gun is plenty able to take game appropriate for the 308 cartridge. That's the only reason I haven't done that. If I need to hit small targets at longer ranges, my Remington 700PS will do nicely. And I've always got ammo ready for that 700PS. Thanks for the comment, Steve
I did not know your channel is active again. Glad to see your still around Fortunecookie. Glad to have you back!
jbird22cal - I've never been gone...As you recall, I was making videos as many as 3 a week on YT. But since TH-cam started deleting some of my videos and continues to do that under the reason of "inappropriate content" while not really telling me what they object to (Ive had to try to determine exactly what was objectionable in each video - finally gave up on that) I actually deleted a few on my own when I found some commonality to YT deletions. Now I'm taking my video production spreading them out onto the Patreon platform for exclusive posting there where I.don't feel like I have to traipse on daisies. But I'll still maintaining videos on YT - videos where I probably won't upset the sensibilities. Have a great day, Steve.
Nice shooting, Mr.Cookie! Have a great day 🇺🇸👍👊
Good video, FC LC45 as usual and thank you for all your hard work making it. I Just purchased the Lee 4 hole turret with auto indexing as a upgrade to my Lee single stage press. I'm honestly interested in your opinion on the new press I bought and what you think of it, and also if it was a good choice as a second press for faster reloading. Honestly, I'm pretty excited to get it tomorrow hopefully. Bought some extra parts for the press, so I should be be set if it works as it says it does. Thank you for any input on it.
Interesting results
This man has forgotten more about reloading and ammunition than I'll ever know....
Jef F - Not true, Jeff...All you have to do is pull a lot of press handles and triggers. Ive had the good opportunity to do both, and each of us keeps learning.... Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thank you Steve, you truly are a wealth of knowledge though ! I've learned a lot here thats for sure, take care 👍
This video says "Yes, it's possible!" I think that "precision" ammunition could also be produced on my ancient Lyman Spartan single-stage press if you carefully do what's needed. Oh, wait -- I already do!
AD - Yes, our presses can do amazing things. This APP press does it with new concept of press design. Lee innovation to push press design has arrived..!! Best to ya, Steve
Great video!🍻
Thanks for sharing. Great video 📹 and informative.
Some nice work
There are numerous chassis systems out there for four hundred to a thousands dollars, might be fun to try one.
TJ - Yes, indeed, but as I said in the video, shooting a hair under 1 MOA was all I bought this rifle for. And getting some groups in the 4s has exceeded that. And if I need more accuracy than that, I've got my Remmy for 3s. However, I am not looking into getting into benchrest or long range competition shooting at this time whereby I need accuracy into the 1s and 2s, those sports are money and time pits, perhaps later if my grandsons really want to get into shooting. .Best to ya, Steve
Well done !
my Ruger american stock did the same, I splurged got a Boyd's, with very minor fitting with the magazine its bedded, it's now shooting dime sized groups at 50, time to walk it out and see if she does at distance
MCK - Mark, Congrats on your rig. I've looked into the Boyds stocks, and if I get really ticked off at that piece of junk they call a stock on that Savage, I'll just have to go that way. So far, I haven't gotten that ticked off as of yet. Thanks for being out there Mark - Your sign is on nearly alll my videos.... Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC good hearing from you. hope all is good take care !
You should invest in a laminated stock for that rifle. It deserves better than a flexible stock.
I’m putting together my first precision rifle I got a new in the box a savage 110 long range hunter .300 win Mag 26” barrel and muzzle brake for $510 and got an Oryx chassis for $400 along with an inexpensive 25 power scope I already had. Hope to try it out this weekend. Never tried precision shooting before so I’m hoping for a 1” group if I’m lucky.
BB - You got a good buy there in that rig. A benchers shooter friend of mine always shook his head ... with hunting type factory ammo, you'll be lucky to get 1" 5 shot groups. He always said to get 200 rounds of good consistent brass and then buy the best bullets you can afford (now Bergers) to begin. I'm confident that you can make your goal if you are using good factory ammo. And if you are a reloader, you can develop loads that will get you sub 1 MOA. But you are probably aware that the favored rounds for long range is now the 6.5mm and 6mm. Your 300 Win Mag was very popular amongst the LR sniping community a few years back. Then they gravitated to the 50 BMG and 338 Lapua. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Hey Mr Cookie Great video thanks
I noticed that you have two Limbsaver Barrel Deresonators on your rifle , I purchased one and fitted it to my .308 target rifle , my rifle has a fully floated barrel so I followed the instructions starting at the muzzle of the barrel shooting groups and moving towards the stock in small increments , the issue I’m having is that no mater where I position it the groups don’t tighten up if anything they get worse , I was wondering if putting another Deresonator back near the stock as you have would help or can you give me any advice , Thank you in advance, Aussie Steve .
Steve C - Hello to another of the great Aussies..!! The reason for the two is that my infernal stock is free floated, but then again it flexes a great deal. I actually ground out the stock to increase the barrel channel, but the stock fore end is of hollow construction and has ribs to increase the stiffness (fails miserably in doing that though). I can't keep grinding material out as the flex increases weakening the stock...I've researched getting a replacement stock on line, but really, what I need is to spend around $500 - $600 dollars for a good stock installed by a good gunsmith (another couple of hundred for labor). The gun isn't worth doing all of that... it is what it is - a 308 that will shoot groups slightly under 1 MOA reliably. I'm not going to be using that rifle to shoot ground squirrels at 400 yards. And the money can better be spent towards a precision rifle from Ruger or even Savage. Since it is free floated with whip impact, I tried the two deresonators and they give me a lot of adjustment. As you note, the front deresonator is pulled back to its position. I did get groups in the 4s when the flyers don't open the groups out to as much as 1 MOA. Some do report that the Deresonators do not help their groups, I find that they help, even my Rem 700PS that shoots 5 shot groups in the 3s is more consistent with the 1 deresonator on there - but that rifle has a good factory stork on there. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC thanks for your awesome reply Mate , i really enjoy your videos , thanks for your time and knowledge Aussie Steve .
Looks like you show that the APP press can certainly keep your Savage happy. But I don't think you've shown that that is the best it can do; you'd need to have a rifle, stock and weather combination to see what the upper limit of what the press can produce. But dang, I think you have sold me on that nice handle!
From an earlier video I saw a lot of flex in the press when shoulder bumping - I suspect your bench top is a bit on the thin side for the APP press. Would that be your opinion too or is the press its' self flexing a lot? I don't recall seeing that much flex on my set up.
rb - Yes on all you say...and very observant of you..!! It is the results that count. My concentricity gauge has shown that surplus ammo can have as much as .007" run out. The ammo produced for the Savage 11VT averages .001" run out. The APP press can produce consistent ammo while flexing as you note...I was seeing if the press would break doing the bumping and it held up very well. Let you in on a little secret though...I bought a second APP press to back up this one as if it failed, I would not have been surprised. Breaking the Lee APP press would have made an interesting video.... Have a great day, Steve
You are the coolest
Another great video!
Can you share your limb saver barrel tuner process?
K M - Surely..!! First, we shoot without the Deresonator. Doing load workup as standard. Once the accuracy nodes are found, whatever that level of accuracy might be (and that is expressed as ES and SD as well as groups size depending on your own 100 yard or long range use and goals). Then the Deresonator is used strictly to tighten up the groups by reducing barrel whip. If free floated barrel, the Deresonator should begin 1" back of muzzle or muzzle brake ports. If not free floated or effectively not free floated, the Deres should be 1" from the fore end. If the group sizes improve there, log the position. Then shoot more groups with the deresonator moved back (or forward) in 3/4" increments. If goups tighten, continue to move away (or towards) from the muzzle until the groups either are satisfactory to you or the groups start worsening. Position the deresonator where the groups are best for you. Shoot additional groups to verify...it is the average group size that we hang our hats on. Depending on your rifle, you might get a spread in your average. Then don't change your load as if you do, you will have to retune. Side benefit to having the Deres on our barrels is we can put the gun down and the barrel has a nice protection buffer on it. However, rifle accuracy is a fleeting thing. As our rifling leads erode accuracy degrades the more shooting we do. Plus gun cleaning and copper control is also a significant factor. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC THANK YOU!!
during the corona time . i shot a lot with springer airguns ,the so called magnum types .And if the gun recoils different , i mean it flips up left or right ,you got no good groups ,and this happens because of a different pressure by the shooter (Me) at the grip or stock ,. if the gun recoils and stays and returns at the aimpoint its a good group . springers are known for a good starting point for accurat shooting ,the foreend of that gun is not straight .half inch to the front or back will change the group
Awesome
Im still very very new to reloading ammunition, so this question comes from not being knowledgeable enough yet. I fail to see how the type of press you use can affect the precision and accuracy of your ammunition. Wouldn't it be all down to the choice of dies, components, the prep work to the brass, and the consistency/accuracy of your powder charge measure? After all the press is the tool that moves the component through the die, seats the bullet etc. If you can dial in the dies to consistently produce the same result each time why would the press you use matter?
because the press holds the die and components. if the press has miss alignment issues or does not consistently maintain the same alignment it will affect the ammunition.
Mikuhunter39 - To echo what Sean T says - the press does matter as the alignment of the components achieved by the press is critical to the consistency of the ammo. But that alignment of components can be achieved in two ways - in a static rigid alignment made possible by the alignment of the ram with the die hole in the frame of the press - a la all the old C and O type standard design presses. But then there is the self aligning on the X and Y axis allowed by co axial designs whereby there is mechanical alignment to begin with, but then the die and/or the case has some co axial play to assure that alignment as the case is pressed into the die. In my own testing, I found the quality of the press is the least important factor behind quality of dies and quality of components, within reason, of course. But there is the confidence factor and appreciation/enjoyment factor of using a fine press...after all, we are spending some good time doing that ammo. So if someone favors a Forster Co-Ax or any of the fine Redding presses - I say Mo Powah to 'em. However, new reloaders who don't know those presses, may fine the Lee APP press to be beaching....especially if they get it on sale for $70. Have a great day, Steve
Hey man I’m looking for a good slug mold around 200grains for my air rifle.
Also what do you think about casting with tin?
GM - Sound like you have a big bore air rifle there - those things are monsters..!! Yes, you can add a bit of tin to your air rifle casting alloy...will help the flow and will not harden your allow excessively, within reason, of course. Good shootin' and good hunting' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC I meant casting pure tin. I’m think of getting a 200grain+ mold in .357 and casting some slugs in pure tin or some sort of non lead alloy?
Are you still doing experiments with non-lead alloys? also can’t seem to find a good mold do you know of one I should look at?
I'm happy with the APP simply depriming at crazy speeds.
ruiz212 - And you should be happy with that...the APP is a versatile press...!! Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
I loaded a round very similar to your round you used in this video and it shot really bad. I have never had any real good luck with IMR4064. Both of my 308's like Varget and 4895.
JH - 4064 is a good powder though, but for your use and needs, Varget and 4895 are certainly good powders. They are fine powders in my book as well...it's having good quantities of those powders on hand these days that is the trick.... Best to ya, Steve
Saw about eight in. Off the stock
Pesky wind!
Welllll, seems as if the rifle should be a constant, before you can really tell anything... But entertaining!!!