Can you REALLY SEE the DIFFERENCE 1080 VS 4K?
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How big of a difference is there really between 1080 and 4k visually? Can you see the difference? Thats what I was trying to answer in this video and I'm curious to know how many you guessed right?
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How many did you get right? And more importantly were you just guessing or you thought you saw a difference?
I have a finely tuned eye for this sorta things... JK I didn't notice a difference
I mean I use 4k when shooting in lowlight but mostly I shoot in 1080. Great comparison
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Damn! I would've never guessed the 720P! but at the end of the day, generally speaking of course, it doesn't really matter. Does it Matti?
"this is 4k:
me watching from a1080p laptop screen: cool
Well actually if you are using a 1080P screen you can still see a big difference between 4K and 1080P since the pixels are bonded together make the colour and details more accurate. But if you're using a phone then no.
@@Kylesaystuff ik im watching in 4k rn
@@Dopamine621 If you check 8K video on 4K you can still see a big difference, but for a phone, then is total BS.
Im watching this in 4k I lucky
Bruh my eyes in 280p
Bro I watched this whole vid in 720p 😂
Me too
me, 480p... 😂🤣 Of course to save data...
Yep
I'm here with 480p ☠
64x64p
As you mentioned - the biggest benefit is ability to crop the footage. And I think that the initial quality of the footage is important, if you have low quality 4k you can scale it to 1080 or 720 and it will look passable, but if you have low quality 720 it will remail low quality.
Keep in mind that 4K really shines on larger displays, like 60"+.
When I first saw a 4k TV in a store for the first time years ago, I could definitely tell the difference. Then I moved closer to the TV. I still didn't see any blurriness or pixelation, and my mind was shattered.
Thats what 4k is for. It's really kind of useless on small a display. It's primarily so you don't have huge pixels on a large screen. That's why I got a 4K projector. Looks better with a 120" screen.
@@jerometruitt2731 What about a 40 inch TV? Would 4K look good on that? I don't have space for a bigger TV in my bedroom
@@catguy4996 4K will look good on any size screen. It's just kind of a waste if you have a smaller screen. I also recommend a projector if you can afford it A short throw will take up less space than any TV., And if you have a regular projector for every foot you are away from the projecting surface will give you about 10" screen size. My room has about 12ft between 2 walls and my image is 120+ inches. To take full advantage of 4k you generally want 55 inches or more
@@jerometruitt2731 I have a 4k 32 inch monitor, the pixel density matters, its like putting on glasses for any game, you literally see more of everything, every detail in a texture, in 1080 there aren't enough pixels to show the sharpness of a certain texture or the detail in a model.
@@yesyes-om1po I don't doubt that it looks great but it's diminishing returns the smaller you go. I've seen 4k and 1080P side by side and you can barely tell the difference on most models.
It only matter when you have an actual 4K screen to watch a 4K video on
If you don’t want to buy a telescope, don’t! Don’t try to stop me from buying one! I can look at Pluto and it’s moons in 8k from my mind input device any day I want to! The world is flat to you, not me!
Can human eyes see difference between 1080p and 2160p on a phone screen? Some people swear they can. But I doubt it.
@@billy.7113 they cant.. on a 5 inch screen
It is not an extreme difference, but a whole video in 4K just feels more impressive, I guess that's the best way to describe it 😎
anyone who says they can tell the difference, that too on mobile device.......must be high on something
Me when I see the 3rd clip: HM that's 4k
Text: 720p
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Same 😂
😂 frt
720p was mostly used in the close up shots. That’s why it is harder to spot the difference.
Mines 480 💀
Love this video!
Been preaching this to fellow studios and as far as clients are concerned, content is king. We experimented on 4k as well in terms of price and clients don't really see a difference that would convince them to pay extra for 4k..
For years, even today. We have been shooting weddings in 1080. Zero complaints so far.
As a freelancer, this means an easier workflow. No need to buy the latest/greatest gear. We can focus on the shot than thinking about the gear and if it can handle 4k. The extra budget allows us to get better lighting or another crew.
Great video Matt and i hope fellow videographers/studios would realize your point.
I don’t know what wedding ur shooting I hope 🤞🏼 u aren’t charge like $2000 for videos shooting 1080 . When can just grab a iPhone shoot 4K 60pt(in case pause n get pic out of it ) with A gimbal . Imagine they want to zoom in of video to have a pic instead print out ! It’s going to be so mushy ! No !!! Lol 😝 just saying .
@IIWII I agree . But still I don’t think 1080 pic cut N lol my iPhone screen is like what 3k n if I shoot 1080 video . I take screen shot of pic I can’t even zoom in n frame it . Cuz it looks like crap 💩.
I think the youtuber is just using sepcific visual to trick ppl. He used 1080 then educated to extreme contract . N he was wearing AlL black .
Try wearing pale green/red sweater . Se how much texture issues he will have .
@IIWII yeah I agree the tech n display on TV n phone , tablet used to restricted for 10 yrs most display r 1080. Last 2 yrs the computer , TV , phone, tablets r up to 3-4 K now . Especially last 12 months. So many the TV using Chrom built in has TH-cam n etc apps. I don’t even use Laptop 💻 any more . My 65” TV acts as my computer . Chrome has TH-cam app, Netflix , Amazon prime , discovery plus …. Anything 1080 p looks REALLY aged ! Just Google it . 2019 -2020 2021 TVs has had major upgrades from 2014-2018 very soon ppl wil start to see issues with 1080 once their old tv break down n get new TV.
We have QLED VA panel (2 panels layer together ). If ur photographer friends r like in echo chamber of that . I hope u see the market is changing . Lol I use iPhone take videos . Any any day I need to Take Screen Grab, n then zoom in for a pic .
There is no good way if any 1080 will look good being screen grabed n zoomed in. No way ! u guys better upgrade soon! Than in yr echo chamber . I am just trying to help
That's really good to know. We usually film in 1080 but we just got the new gopro and have been experimenting with the 4k. We hadn't thought about upscaling the 1080 to 4k. Might have to look into that - great pro tip there!
Love the addition of 720p. This was a great discussion. It's more about what you're filming and how you're filming that determine if you really need above 1080. Especially if you're a growing filmmaker. You should focus on things that will improve your work exponentially instead of a small increase. Like better audio, lighting, framing, or editing. I'm glad you brought up cropping as a use for 4k. Bit rate and color are definitely points that people don't understand as well. I still use my phone to film, it does have limitations. Knowing how to work with them is important.
Exactly !
And where and what scrren size it will be shown on...
In video game it really matters if your playing in 1080 or 4k!! I can easily tell difference between 2 mode if you are rendering graphics but in real life it is minium.
For me it's 360 p and I can't complain. It's so nice to watch
Isn't it fascinating how a bitrate of 3000 and up can even make 480p look good?
Edit: I also forgot to mention the obvious effect of youtube and other sources heavily compromising the bitrate in general, mostly to reduce the file size, and thus lowering the overall image clarity.
Hey Hey Hey, I noticed the difference....
When I watched at 1080p settings, the video runs smoothly.
But, when I watched at 4K settings, the video starts buffering.
I feel that I am the only one to notice that.
FineStack when watching videos better quality requires better internet so its probaly that your internet isnt strong enough
@@anonymousfan6677 well it could mean 2 things your internet isnt strong enough or the quality on your chromebook isnt good
@@anonymousfan6677 oh ok
La differenza c'è.
If you watch at 240 p you can notice the differences
it really depends on where u watch, or how its rendered, 1080p with a very high bitrate gives you super quality compared to a 4k video with a mid to low bitrate
Also, the footage he showed had shallow Dofs that blur the background. For the fish tank types of videos (including symphonies recorded with small apertures) where everything is supposed to be crisp, then 4k vs. 1080 would be obvious on big screens. But if one is watching something on the phone, yeah, frame rate may matter more.
Hi, can you explain what the bit bit is as when i export from my programme it gives me the option, the higher the better but don't quite get what it is.
thanks
@@stehume bitrates are the pixels, basically Bit and rate, it measures how fast or how much pixel rates it shows on your screen every seconds, the lower the rate, the slower the pixels refresh, leading to artifacts and basically low quality footage.
@@marcm.official many thanks for such an easy way to put it
This test would be different if the shots were filmed on a tripod. If you are shooting 24 or 30 fps and observing the 180 shutter rule (1/48 or 1/60 shutter speed), your image is going to be soft no matter what resolution you use because of subject and camera motion.
Also, a lot of people still use 1080p screens. I watched this video on my girlfriends 1440 × 900 macbook air lol.
Agreed. It also depends on how good your eyesight is. Im registered blind and 720, 1080 & 4k look like shades of blurry grey to me! Come to think of it, WTF am I doing here?
@@darren6202 😆😆😆
AGREED! This is such an invalid test. Fast moving, fast edited images where none of them are super sharp - like these of the guy on the mono wheel - are difficult to judge resolution. The actor and camera are constantly moving, we get no closeups of faces - which humans judge better than anything, and the camera doesn't slow down long enough for us to even get over 24p motion blur. You probably could have shot half of that in 240p and it would have been hard to tell. Lock down your camera on a tripod, use better lighting and contrast and shoot human faces - everyone on earth will be able to tell the difference.
When viewing no, when recording yes. A 1080p video that has been down-sampled from a 4K video looks much better than if it was directly recorded in 1080p.
That's just depends on codec and bitrate.
And what of a 1080 downsampled to 720? Does it look better than a native 720?
Can you REALLY SEE the DIFFERENCE 1080 VS 4K?
some people: NOP!
while watching on a 1080p monitor
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Sometimes shooting in 4K provides more footage detail, even on a 1080p monitor, because a 4K camera is able to capture a more detailed foundation before its converted to 1080p.
@@whengrapespop5728 However usually it destroys the color detail. There's pixel data and color data. Having double the pixels halves the detail in colors. There's reason why Alexa isn't 4K and is best used in 1080. Sensor size bit depth etc. all makes a huge difference.
@@eliteextremophile8895 can i know just how it halves the details in color, tech wise!!!
@@BassamKhattar Most of every camera shooting 4K has it compressed. 4K is for luminance not for chrominance which stands for color data. Usually best 4K cameras can handle 4:2:2 chroma subsampling which basically translates to "every other pixel doesn't have chrominance data" and that means 4K 4:2:2 camera has 1080p corresponding amount of chroma data. Most cameras can't even handle that. For example h.264 compression doesn't even handle true 4K luminance data if bitrate is limited, which it always is.
Then there's higher tier of cameras that in paper can handle 4:4:4 chroma subsampling (for example in 10-bit RAW) but those have a bayer masked chip which means it's physically incapable of outputting native 4:4:4. For example shooting with professional video camera capable of 4K 12bit RAW (which in theory corresponds to 4:4:4 color data) has true 4:4:4 color data only when down-sampled to 2K.
My phrasing was off and having 4K doesn't really halve the color detail rather than at best it has half the color detail. More often than not there's 4K chips that has cropped 2K capable of higher chroma data than full 4K. This really comes to play when talking about Arri or Red cameras. Arri Alexa Mini has more color data in 2K than Red Epic in 8K. That's also why in my other comment I added "That said, I prefer 4K for I'm not a Hollywood film maker."
@@eliteextremophile8895 you're the king 🤗
I think one of the really big things for YT content is the fact that even just upscaled 1080p is going to look quite a bit better in its delivery than native 1080p, because at 4k, it's being delivered to you at a much higher bitrate. Being realistic, I see a decent difference because I have a 4k TV on my desk, but provided I'm sat at a normal distance away from my TV, there is no difference to me at all.
The quality of the video is important for the camera taken, but the picture quality of the screen viewed by the viewer is also important.
Also depends on the camera, if you have a camera that shoots quality videos you can have 1080p looking better than a cheap camera which shoots 4k
#BITRATE/CODEC MATTER
@@z352kdaf8324 absolutely, he didn't mention that, what's the bitrate of the final videos, if it's 8bit or 10bit, the codecs, etc....
That's not really in question here
Well, I’ve seen Pluto and it’s moons and I haven’t left my house. I must be able to see through the roof of my house! I must be MORE IMPRESSIVE than the Statue of Liberty! 4K and 8k are NOT for your conscious mind! Visuals go straight to your subconscious mind. You DON’T THINK ABOUT THIS STUFF! A Subconscious mind doesn’t think! Thoughts are another input into the mind.
Clearly you didn’t learn anything from school. Shut up idiots! Stop making fake news!
*most important point here!
This helps me understand why I watch some 4k content that doesn't look like 4k, looks like 1080 then I watch other 4k content that blows me away.
Great video that really proves the point as long as you edit on a 4K timeline, the different resolutions really make no visible difference for 99% of people. The vast majority of people consume video on social platforms and 1080 is all you really need. Thanks for making this important video. And your point about bit rate being more important for video quality than 1080 vs 4K is absolutely true.
I shoot 720 sometimes when using the 120fps. It looks just like a little bit out of focus 1080p. Amazing.
I mostly film in 4k when I'm editing on a 1080 sequence and I need to zoom in some shots digitally. I'd switch from a medium shot to an extreme close up easily without losing any quality.
That's called a planning for bad shooter. You definitely waste all the qualities of any lens and will have a cloudy looking foggier image not to mention zooming in on noise.
@@marcusthompson666 the image doesn't get blurry if you film in 4k and edit in full hd, and it's not bad shooting, instead it's a great substitute for a zoom lens if you're filming and you don't have one.
I noticed when you have a still image you can notice the higher resolution much more. But if the camera is moving in any way it's harder to notice the higher resolution.
So much of quality picture isnt just resolution though. It's bitrate too.
The brighter the light helps too
Exactly
Exactly. That's why it's easier to say if it's is 4k or not while checking the background instead of focusing the guy. The houses behind actually give definitive differences if there's enough depth at the scene. But why do I watch behind instead of the action ? Well, architect problems :(
How can he show a still image ?. There's no still image, its a video. You mean when the CAMERA WAS NOT MOVING MUCH. Or there was NOT MUCH MOVEMENT WITHIN THE FRAME. Use the right words when you communicate.
@@mgr5550 I agree video would have been better used than image, HOWEVER image by definition doesn't mean picture
Image- a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art
PFP OF FAILURE
Watching this on 2160p is crazily beautiful
from my experience, still very useful recording in 4k as you can use the crop feature in your sony camera to get a better zoom, or to even zoom in production. Zooming in 1080p is not great quality.
From what I've seen, once you hit 720p, encoding bitrate and quality and color bit depth start to make vastly more of a perceptible difference than going to 1080 or 4k.
But if you have all of those prerequisites in order, then there is an Advantage going to 4K over 1080p.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian What advantage? Your eyes have a limited resolution. Past a certain point you literally can't see small details. By the very nature of our limited senses there's a sharply diminishing point of returns. It's like using an audio codec the can support a dynamic range of 200 decibels - that's nice, but you'll never need it and you wouldn't notice the difference if you used it. Check out the videos right here on youtube - people have done side by side, blind comparison tests, and people just can't tell the difference.
@@rdormer True your eyes do have a limited resolution. However each of your eyes have a resolution of about 6 megapixels. And both of your eyes work together to actually interpolate more detail than 6 megapixels. That's why if you pause the video and pixel peep, you can see a difference between 1080P and 4K. And you can see a difference the video in motion if you put two clips side by side and play them back a few times next to each other.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian If the only way you can tell the difference is by pausing a video and pixel peeping, or playing two clips side by side multiple times while carefully looking for differences, I'm going to go ahead and say there's no practical difference. If the only way to spot a difference is to view the videos side by side while doing things that no one is going to do when they actually watch videos, then do the very small, barely perceptible differences really matter? It's not that there's *no* difference at all, it's that by the time you hit 4k you've sailed far past the point of diminishing returns - and you're kind of making that point for me here.
@@rdormer I'll agree with with the assessment that there's no practical difference.
I was only able to tell the difference because I was looking for it.
It's only pixel peeping assholes like me that are going to bring it up and only when resolution is the topic at hand. In fact most of the videos I watch on TH-cam I watch at 360p while I'm in the bathroom.
Me watching in 144p: Hmm! I can't see any difference!
You can not see anything on 144p. It is one big blurr 🤣
So, you imported 720p and 1080p videos into your 4k timeline and set the frame size of the videos to match the frame size right? So in what was your shooting format? Uncompressed? Apple prores or h.264? The 720p clip doesn't make any pixelization when you set the frame size to match the 4k timeline settings in edit? Really surprised to see this.
It’s definitely one of those things that when compared side to side it’s easier to see, but like you said we can’t really tell in normal settings.
You can see the difference between 4k, 1080p and 720p better when you don't have that good lighting or you don't shoot wide open. That usually reveals it!
And no movement / higher shutterspeed
i agree
actually no...there is no visual difference between 4k and 1080p. Avengers and most marvel movies are shot on the Alexa XT which is a 2k camera
If you’re using a big enough TV monitor, then you can tell the difference.
@@unknownunknowns on my 4k 55 inch monitor i can see some difference.
4k and 1080p looked quite similar except in close ups but 720p was a bit mushier specially in the shadows
Yeah I definitely noticed on those 720p close ups
I noticed more detail in the concrete in the 4K clips it’s subtle but it’s there.
But in my opinion, on those shots it's definitely usable.
Nonsense, it was indiscernable.
Thank you very much Ewan Macgregor 🤗
Didn't know you worked with video editing!
Also high expectations for Obi-wan series ❤️
Thank you for all the great content Matti!
Resolution sells cameras. Much in the same way that horsepower sells cars.
punch...
That terribly thought out comparison isn't even in the same universe
I agree with Artorias. The thing is, with a 1080p screen, you cant tell the difference between 1080p and anything higher. On a 4K UHD screen, the others look better due to pixel density. With my 4K UHD screen, i could tell the difference when i was looking for differences. Though, he shot the footage in what would make sense to be higher/lower resolutions, which helped a lot in his comparison. Like, could you tell the difference between shooting this fast motion still image at an ultra fast shutter speed and low Fstop, and this inanimate object at a slower shutter speed and high fstop? No, probably not.... Its just how it is.
As for your comparison. horsepower sells cars, because even if they cant go 250mph in a residential neighborhood, they have the pickup they need in situations that they need it in. Have you ever driven a really slow accelerating car and tried to navigate traffic? Its a nightmare, you have to second guess every time you pull out or try and pass. With more HP, you are more confident that you can pass or make that turn into traffic without worrying about being smashed by another car. Its there when you need it. There is no REAL need for 4K, because most videos and games and images arnt in 4K resolutions... but its pixel density/image clarity is supurb for watching ANYTHING on.
Does it sell? It absolutely does.... for good reasons. You can watch some Linus Tech Tips on this type of stuff, it absolutely matters and people... especially gamers, can tell the difference in a heartbeat.
@@obeyance "could you tell the difference between shooting this fast motion still image at an ultra fast shutter speed and low Fstop, and this inanimate object at a slower shutter speed and high fstop?" Absolutely! Your depth of field is 100% determined by what f stop you shoot at! (Well, and your sensor size, but that's not a variable)
@@nebari3158 Well, thats not entirely the point i was trying to make... but you arnt wrong.
I know one thing. The higher the resolution, the more grey hairs I have in my beard 🤣
Lol!!! 😂
😂😂🤣😂😂
720 , blurring soup
1080 , yay, it actually has pixels
1440 , this look great
2560, ok what am I trying to see
😂
LMAO
I'm using a 4k 13.3' XPS 13 laptop. I couldn't see a big difference between 720p and 1080p, but there was a pretty large difference between 1080p and 4k.
you will see a difference when you are watching on a 27 inch monitor though
actually complete opposite for me. 720p looks worse than 1080, but 1080 and 4k look the same
Always bringing us informative and interesting videos, thanks you for that 💛
Matti, you are totally right that the 4k vs 1080p is hard to tell the difference. The biggest reason to us 4k is if you think you have to crop and resize. Also, loving the audio pack.
Agree. When I crop or zoom in, picture becomes fuzzier. That's when I wish I have 4K or better resolution.
@@pong4life it really does make a big difference.
Thank you Matti
Totally enjoy everything about your videos, super high quality, sit down and enjoy what you have to share, great on the eyes, sounds amazing, sorry really enjoy how everything comes together like a mini journey. If I could ask which mic did you use for this video sounds wonderful
Also when your doing 1080p, the quality and bitrate are maximizing quality of each pixel with alot of light. When doing 4k, the sensors don't maximize quality of each pixel as well. As sensors evolve, we will increasingly see a larger diff
I guess more that the closer shots were in lower resolution, just because you can pick up more detail to trick the eye, but was surprised on the further shots being 1080 or 720 even. I mean, of course you can certainly still use 1080p, but I think you actually made your own point in a way, that if you want the highest quality to represent your work, you don't compromise. Even if in some instances no one would know the difference. It is a great lesson to many YTers though that quality isn't just the most expensive camera that does the highest quality, so a really cool demonstration of that Matti. Thanks!
Matti : Should everyone film in 1080 and save hard drives?
MKBHD : *triggered*
Linus is being talked down from the roof.
1080p just allows for a slower bitrate, the resolution change affects nothing whatsoever. A 4K 100mbps video would be the same size as a 1080p 100mbps video with an identical runtime. Lower resolutions just don't require the same bitrate to maintain the same level of image quality.
In the end, it's the skill of the filmmakers over the resolution.
@@AndyKunkel Sure, but I'd rather watch films on my 4K tv over my old 576i CRT.
@@liamriley9816TVs and monitors are so good at upscaling anymore it's almost indistinguishable. Almost.
And this is 720 not tube TVs
1. As many pointed out here, in shallow DOF shots, it's a bit more forgiving.
2. There is a WORLD of a difference between a 720p camera, a 1080p camera, and a 4K camera. Shooting it all on a 4K camera and then downscaling it (in camera or in software) will produce a vastly superior image than a 1080p / 720p camera can ever dream to produce.
3. As a TH-cam celebrity, you get the VP9 codec on TH-cam even when uploading small res videos. The rest of us get that codec only on 4K content. The VP9 codec is VASTLY superior to the standard AVC.
So this test is... not really fair.
LIAR. I did the test hard to tell. Full stop.
@@africanhistory Did you even read what I said?
This was such a fun experiment when I first saw this years ago on a 60" 1080p native TV. Couldn't really tell any differences at all. Fast forward today on a 65" 4K OLED, and yes... the 4K clips are surprisingly noticeable. 720p & 1080p are harder to distinguish from each other, but can tell they're not 4K.
Because you are USING big 4k TV and pixels are more divided in it now use some randoms from 2015 and tell the difference , long thing short they will first create trend of High resolution like 4k/8k and make you sell high resolution monitor and product or TVs. ..
Watching FHD in full hd monitor feels 80/90% same as watching 4k in 4k ....
I don't think it's much of worth it, the big downside is for me if I am playing low resolution video in 4k TV because of high pixels division you can easily notice that things are highly spreaded ( 8 million pixes)that while in FHD moniter it's feels normal (because you are playing FHD video in FHD moniter with 2 million pixel )
Also 4k video takes 10-20x more storage, but expandable storage isn't got much higher...
For ex : In old phone had FHD display, it only took around 1.5 Gb average for each movie or might be 200-300 mb for recorded video...
The 4k movies takes around 8-15 Gb per movie, which is more than 5x but my storage is only 2x more than my previous phone , ..
And also recorded video and photos takes about 8x the size of my old phone.....
This is the trick they have been using for years , my suggestion is that too don't fall for those unless it's right time..
I never thought for one moment that you were making such rapid changes. The way you suggest it I didn’t have much time to analyze it
4k is way more useful when you do zooms or in big screens like cinema, otherwise on a computer screen for example even if it's a 4k screen it's not that useful
I thought the intro was an ad lmao 😅
Same !
BRO WTF same lmao smh :)
same here
I thought it was an ad for fat tire skateboards (onewheel).
Sameeee
Interesting video! Your examples were really hard / impossible to tell apart (except from the shot which exposes the dust on the glasses - this is much more likely to happen in 4k ;)
4k is useful in very specific situations. Shooting tutorial videos which involve reading things of tiny screens - you can easily zoom in on them without loosing quality.
One thing I have noticed is that the higher the resolution and the more special effects in a given movie the less interesting it is. I can say that of current movie production in general.
Thank you! Really interesting!
Question please: did you apply luts to adjust the 720/1080 to look more like a 4K as per details, colour, gradient ,…or was it RAW footage?
Also did you all film in the same FPS?
Thank you so much!
I bought into the 4K hype a couple years ago and it's just that.. hype. In some cases, shooting people, especially close up is less flattering in 4K. The imperfections in their skin are more detailed and obvious. I'll be editing and notice an eyelash on my cheek or a single stand of hair on my shirt that might not have shown up in 1080.
As far as real world application, I have a 4K TV and a 5K iMac. I can't see any difference on the TV because I'm watching from about 10 feet (3 meters) away. I can see a clear difference on my iMac, but only if I am watching full screen. My phone is 1080 so any 4K content is being downscaled.
Bottom line is that 4K does not inherently make your video quality better. Lighting and color grading make a much bigger difference to the quality that the end user sees.
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True I love this statement.
Its not hype, it just may not be ready for prime time yet. I'm sure if you had a theater size display, you could see the difference more clearly. Even if it wasn't a big deal.
And my plasma screen still looks better than my buddys c9 oled 4k
Oh the 4K hype is real. It's true. It's a bit more better that's all. I got both an HDTV and a 4K HDR TV and I see some differences.
I did think that the quality jumped after the opening sequences, but the one that I thought was def 4k (close up on the side of the 'board' rolling) turned out to be 720! I'm here to learn whether I can accept the results from a 1080 max 8mm cine scanner or whether I should bit the bullet & pay a pro
The main difference I noticed, was in background blur. However, for the main subject of the video, being the person on the board, it was basically impossible to decide which was the higher quality. I've actually wondered about this myself a lot though. Glad to see it in action for comparison.
Great follow up video to what Teppo put out recently! Viewing on a tablet, phone, or even a regular sized computer monitor, it's going to be tough seeing the difference between 4k/1080. It really only becomes noticeable when viewing on really large screens, or in the editing room when punching in on the 4k!
In my experience, unless you are viewing on a large enough, hi-res screen, and sitting close enough to that screen, it's pretty difficult (if not impossible in some cases) to distinguish between them.
man please help out. I ve got basic iphone 11. If i shoot a dymamic action in the night atmoshpere ( a person running down the street) should i use 1080 and 60 fps or 4k and 60 fps?
@@Jaa_morant I mean if you have the option, why wouldn't you use 4k 60? Is it because of storage?
@@f9oeks965 is it really better? Then I guess I ll use it…
@@Jaa_morant well, slightly. But if you have the choice, I don't see why you wouldn't
@@Jaa_morant You'll only see the difference if you view the video on something larger than your phone (and can display 4k)... if neither of those apply to you then its a matter of storage.
Some also do the videos in 8k - but This is really interesting comparison helps me a lot :) thanks matti ;)
i seee a difeernce feels so smooth and clear and how every video should look not pixel
The only "BIG" advantage of 4k to me is the rescaling and crop option. Nobody can lie about this part, it can really be useful
no doubt
Color grading also is easier with 4K, as there's more detail/data. So, basically, 4K can help post processing a lot. But, for a final product, 1080p can deliver quality image perfectly well.
Also shooting 4K makes a big difference in noise reduction, provided the frame size is the same as 1080p. Once you downsample to 1080p, the noise becomes much tighter and more visually pleasant.
The crop option not only helps fixing sloppy framing and keystoning. More importantly, it lets you fake camera movements, which saves loads of time and frankly some money too.
Absolutely
Also much higher quality in downsampling, which is way LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE PROFESSIONAL INDUSTRY DOES THIS.
We see with the eyes first but watch with the brain after a dozen of seconds.
And with my grandma’s bad sight she doesn’t even care if it’s 4K or 144p.
You could really tell it was 4k in the close up shots, that's when 4k does its magic
damn.. you make some great content.. Thank you Matti.. happy to subscribe. This is a truly insightful video for us pixel peepers. A little bit embarrassed I couldn't tell the difference lol. Watching on an Apple Macbook Pro 14". ps. Thank you for sharing links in our description. I can undoubtedly trust your recommendations after watching this video.
"People watching on a 5.5 inch 1080p iPhone 8": Oh wow I guess there is no difference.
iPhone 8 is not even 1080p
smd
That 5k imac is not 50inchs either.
Watching on my 2k s9 and it's the same :(
@@lopezfonsecaykeremiliano1548 youtube has horrible compression, watch a native res video, you'll see the difference.
The difference between 1080 and 4k is that 4k is a lot more crisp around the edges and shows a slightly more clear image than 1080
Thanks for stating the obvious
Static images. Moving images are blurred anaway.
Oh yeah? So how many did you get right?
Bro, did you watch the video?
@@ianosgnatiuc thank god that all modern cameras shoot >4k for stills hahaha
I can genuinely say I anticipated a mix. The most evident was when I was looking at that board he was riding, the amount of detail in that vs how I could see basically any amount of dust on his glasses, between the frames, I genuinely had that figured out. And came 85-90% accurate. However most wouldn’t. I detail Exotics and Hypercars, so I can see the first speck of pollen land on a piece of glass. Not hard to tell when you have a trained eye, but generally speaking, most really won’t notice or care.
This is a fantastic video and more proof that the camera and the lenses are much more important than the pixel count
Me: *watches the video in 144p because of my slow internet connection
Same here 😂
440p is honestly better than 4K, no noticeable differences at all
agree i watch every video in 240p because i cant tell any difference.
Haha 😂
It's exactly the same there's no deference between 144 p and 4k 😂
It (4k), with a good bit rate, is better when it comes to cropping in the post production process. However, I agree as my c100 mk ii gets plenty of use.
@@mattih The benefit of uploading in 4k is the better bitrate on youtube:
4k - 45-60mbps
1080p - 10-12mbps
720p - 5-6mbps
If we are allowed to say we love you, then we would. Thank you, and thank you for these comparisons. Honest truth, well done! We also think the skill behind the camera is what matters most. Thank you, Matti.
Dude I thought it was all filmed in 4K. Thanks for this.
If you have a pure 4k pipeline from camera to eventual screen, then it might make a difference but you also have to factor in HDR, the compression bitrate or things like that so it may not be about resolution alone... 🤔
I got about 50% of them right, but was surprised how good the 720p/1080p footage was and how many I got wrong. I think it really depends on the scene, if the scene is really detailed with harsh lines ie buildings then it's pretty easy to spot the difference between 4k and 1080p but if it's like a person or close up where there isn't much detail it's harder to spot the difference. I guess it depends on the scene you are shooting.
for sure you are a descendant of Sitting BullS
To be fair, the footage was very fast, had a lot of motion blur, and probably wasn't rendered at 100Mbp/s rate. There is a huge difference between 4k and 1080p when done right.
I agree. I got most of them right, but I was surprised occasionally. There was one I guessed was 4k but was 720. But only one I guessed that far off.
Thanks Matti, awesome point of view, Max
It's not a BIG difference but as you mentioned, it brings details in hair and skin pores. The only example I can think of is a high pass/low pass filter. High dynamic shots might not need big numbers and that might explain one of the reasons why GoPro was so successful.
Some people are saying they can’t see a difference when they are watching on a 1080p screen
Yeah. Little did they know when they walk into a Best Buy and see a 4K tv with stunning visuals. I guess some people really are just blind, no cap.
But some clips are in 720p so they should notice a difference with that drop in resolution but you can't. Looks just the same.
Exactly, I was at Best Buy a couple of weeks ago, and the 4k TVs on display were way better in picture, color, clarity, lighting, you name it, in comparison to my WQHD monitor and 4K TV at home, which is a midrange Samsung.
I am watching this on my Samsung 4k 50 inch tv, and he says you can't see the difference, and I'm like? what is this guy smoking?
Well I am watching on a 1080p TV, and could tell about 4 out of 5... If you watch both 1080 and 4k footage scaled on the same TV regularly you start noticing how stuff looks different.
Matti let me tell you, the cleanest clip was the side view hover board shot and that was 720p, crazy.
A great example of working around limitations. One criticism is that you have a TON of motion and often your 4k clips were out of focus, if this were a slower paced video I think we would see a significant difference in many shots. Hiding the 720 by using it for close up shots was very clever.
Aperture also makes a difference whether you're shooting in the bright or dark, so shutter speed as well as definition COULD play a part in the end.
thanks, i just thought the same way, it also makes the huge diffrence if its 24/30/60 fps
My issue is that the 4k footage will hesitate, chop or lag on many of my devices. Even though there are supposed to be setting changes to resolve this it just seems to be a real pain. Therefore, I think I prefer to stay with 1080.
Actually youtube always automatically load resolution close to screen and not max resolution.
All clips were with movement, so I think motion blur pretty much smudges all the details. I guess static shots of object with details will make a much more noticeable difference, like switching resolutions on that awesome "4k birds" video on TH-cam, or footage from BMPCC 4k in a museum I once came across.
Yeah my thoughts exaclty. So it's pretty much up to what type of film you're using your camera for. His clips had a lot of movement but they were diverse enough to representate the average user I Think.
That's kinda how real content is. If you have to think that hard then it's not a huge difference.
Agree. The value of 4K depends upon the scene you are recording. For sure, motion blur will negate much of the benefits of 4K. Also, the amount detail in the scene, such as trees in an aerial video require the highest possible bit rate to resolve them, especially if there's any motion. Watch a YT video from an action cam on a bicycle riding through a forest to get my point. The trees are all blotchy at any resolution. For static scenery, with slow camera motion, 4K makes a very noticeable difference. One more thing. We have noticed that, with aerial videos anyway, shooting at 4K and down converting to 1080p looks much better than video shot natively at 1080p. It must be the bit rate difference.
@@Rubik3x bitrate and codec are the two things that can make any recording situation very smooth. I own a pocket 4k and in all my testing the way the camera resolves detail in BRAW is just not a contest to any DSLR I've shot with, including the GH5/5S. Being able to shoot in raw allows you to choose your bitrate without giving up much quality. 8:1 and 12:1 look very similar until you shoot in low light. Highlights roll better and retain more detail in 8:1 but it isn't something you would notice under normal lighting conditions. 3:1 and 5:1 retain the most detail with 3:1 being best reserved for very wide shots and lowlight because of the high bitrate and very clean highlight recovery and roll off especially compared to 12:1.
@@aramisperez6378 Thanks for bringing that up. I had to do a little research to understand what you were talking about. I see now that BRAW is a new video format by Blackmagic that creates much smaller "RAW" files at various compression ratios you mentioned. When you mentioned pocket 4K, my mind immediately went to the tiny DJI Osmo Pocket that also shoots in 4K. Apparently Blackmagic has much larger pockets than the rest of us :-)
Impressed how good even 720p can look!
TH-cam's severe compression makes 720p look like crap. They even demoted 720p to non HD. Blu ray downscaled to 720p can still look excellent on a high end plasma monitor or high end 720p DLP projector.
I knew before you even said it that there was a mix and I just found this channel looking for the highest resolution video on TH-cam
dude the first 30 seconds of this video were incredible. literally cinema quality. what camera did you use to shoot it? thanks
It's harder to tell the difference when you're viewing this on a smaller screen size. I was able to easily tell the difference between 720p/1080p and 4k on a 50-inch 4K TV.
yea I'm using a 65 inch and it's super clear to me
@@hoboholer I'm on a 55 inch 4K TV and there was no difference for me
@@philippthaler5843 get ur eyes checked
Did you know that most of the history of filM we saw 1 K in the cinemas. All you favorite movies only one K. It’s a mixture between resolution and viewing distance. Next time you see a billboard get close and enjoy the cmyk resolution ☺️
@@CozmicSwag no they fooling you they made it brigher contrast less they not fooling us but they fooled you 1080 is better than 4K
I still appreciate 4k videos when I’m at my 1440p display, at least when text is in the video. I often can tell when TH-cam isn’t playing at the full resolution of my 27in display. But 1080p has never looked bad to me, 4k is just an extra nicety as a veiwer.
why not 2.5k (1440P) on your 1440p monitor? This video here automatically set to 1440p on mine.
As a new content creator, I'm actually doing some research to improve my contents and this video is very helpful.
Thank you
The more I watch the more I need a one wheel! Great video again Matti 🙌
MKBHD: 8K or go home! ;)
The point of 4K capture IMO is the reframing versatility it offers. You can zoom in a whole lot more on a 4K clip on a 1080p timeline without visible quality loss than you can on a 1080 clip.
Also allows for a better image when downsampled.
that's the real point👍🏾
I agree.. plus 4k is all about larger screens. You will see a difference on a 65"+ screen and especially if you happen to get it to theater sizes.
I prefer 1080p, it's easier to use in many ways and completely sufficient for any screen under 50" IMO.
yup aha thats what I do! lowkey saving on lenses as I treat my prime as a zoom xD
Holiy smokes as a new drone pilot I literally felt my shoulders get lighter as the 4k burden was lifted from me. Thank the heavens for this video. Awesome content. Thanks Matti! New subscriber and happy.
Same! I've been torn in drone over resolution and this is a huge relief!
On my old GH4 I think there was a significant advantage to shooting in 4k even if you then just converted the clips to 1080. When I got a GH5 I didn’t give it any thought and just kept shooting in 4k but it would be worth comparing them. I don’t care about the direct comparison between the images how much flexibility you lose in editing.
For most “TH-cam” videos it really isn’t as important but for other things such as something that is to be shown on a big screen, it might be more important. In the end the fact that people can or can’t tell what res it is, is less important than whether the difference affects them. It’s often easier for people to dismiss obvious issues than it is subtle ones (especially with audio) so it’s more a question of does it work or not.
True, most people would struggle to tell the difference. 4k does become useful when factoring scale and pixel density on larger screens as filling more space with the same amount of pixels means you would either have to make the pixels bigger or you increase the space between them. It may not be perceivably better but it would definitely look worse. Try plugging in an old analogue source in to a modern screen to see the effect this can have. As we now use fixed fixed pixel displays they are upscaling the resolution anyways, otherwise it wouldn't actually fit the screen which means they are technically always watching in 4k.
There's a difference all right.
The price.
Fax
not just that, the framerate
true
This was very nice! I loved both settings especially 4K because the video would barely run and freeze and stutter a lot! 👍
Don't think many people, especially professionals, have the guts to admit the smaller gap from 1080p to 4K. Subbing for sure 👍
Try schematics or spreadsheets, you'll see the difference immediately on small text. Hence why most phones and tablets have high PPI screen.
For gaming on a PS5 should I get a full HD 32 inch monitor with 144hz or a 4k 32 inch monitor with 60hz. Currently I am using a 32 inch 1080hd tv with low refresh rate.
On my phone I cannot tell the difference at all. The 720 example was surprisingly good. 🙂👍
Which phone do you have?
@@InvisiMan2006 Pocophone F1
@@GlennBirkelev Dude, that phone has a 1080 x 2246 display. 4k is 3840 x 2160, so you aren't able to see any of the extra detail it offers. Plus, even with a 4k display, a smartphone would be too small to matter. The more you scale up, the more noticeable the difference is.
@@InvisiMan2006 exactly the point. 🙂 If you see these videos on a mobile phone it really does not matter. 😋
There's a lot of misunderstanding about resolution. I once did a test using a 32" 4K monitor with a colleague. We stepped right back from it and played back 4K and 1080p footage of the same shot (a vertical shot of NYC at night looking down at the traffic below). There was a noticeable difference even from a more distant viewing distance. But you did have to look. However resolution is not always about detail. Higher resolutions are actually about smoothness. Text is smoother, there's less aliasing on very fine detail for example. However high resolution has always needed to be viewed in a certain way. 1080HD was designed primarily of giving a cinema style arc of view and viewing distance and to enable larger TVs to be used and viewed more closely. So for HD you need to be viewing 3 screen heights distance away from the screen. Closer than this and you'll start to see pixel structure. With standard definition the distance was five screen heights distance. HD falls apart at around 100-inches screen size.
So you might ask, in that case, what's the point of even higher resolutions? It's complicated, but TVs in homes have always been increasing in size. A big part of things is reaching a sweet spot where the resolution is high enough to effectively be analogue in appearance. Aliasing then pretty much disappears to the human eye (it never really goes, but higher resolutions minimise it). This is probably much more noticeable in computer games where there's more occurrences of high frequency edges. But higher resolutions are also much desirable for special effects. The more resolution, the better the key you can pull for fine detail.
This is a discussion on the matter with luminaries such as Michael Cioni www.redsharknews.com/production/item/5247-resolution-vs-sharpness-why-extremely-high-resolutions-matter-video
I definitely agree you, finally someone talked about it
Because you are USING big 4k TV and pixels are more divided in it now use some randoms from 2015 and tell the difference , long thing short they will first create trend of High resolution like 4k/8k and make you sell high resolution monitor and product or TVs. ..
Watching FHD in full hd monitor feels 80/90% same as watching 4k in 4k ....
I don't think it's much of worth it, the big downside is for me if I am playing low resolution video in 4k TV because of high pixels division you can easily notice that things are highly spreaded ( 8 million pixes)that while in FHD moniter it's feels normal (because you are playing FHD video in FHD moniter with 2 million pixel )
Also 4k video takes 10-20x more storage, but expandable storage isn't got much higher...
For ex : In old phone had FHD display, it only took around 1.5 Gb average for each movie or might be 200-300 mb for recorded video...
The 4k movies takes around 8-15 Gb per movie, which is more than 5x but my storage is only 2x more than my previous phone , ..
And also recorded video and photos takes about 8x the size of my old phone.....
This is the trick they have been using for years , my suggestion is that too don't fall for those unless it's right time..
Best , most useful video I seen this year !! Thank you 🙏🏽
I think the problem is that people say more resolution is sharper. But I think we should say it has mire detail (like talking about bitrates because sharpness is effected by focus and lens)
Noticed the resolution was all over the place easily on my 4k monitor (27" at a 20" viewing distance). Gave it a rewatch on my TV (50" at about 9 feet viewing distance) and honestly couldn't notice nearly as much. FYI, if you watch this on a 5k display at full screen there is going to be some interpolation that softens the picture and actually makes it harder to spot the resolution changes compared to watching it at it's native, 4k resolution. 720p and 1080p are also perfect 3:1 and 2:1 resolution scales at 4k so viewing this at 4k makes them stand out when there are any slightly angled lines and you get a very noticeable stair case effect. I also may have inadvertently trained my eyes for this kind of thing by working in print for 20 years.
50" over 9' away exceeds the resolution of the human eye so no one will be able to resolve more than 1080 at that distance.
It is a little bit tricky. I think you can not compare that way for youtube. The reason is You shoot in different resolutions, but when you upload, youtube over compress it. That is why if you watch 4k resolution on youtube using 1080p screen you can still see the difference. So when you watch this particular video in 4k it compresses all resolutions in the same way and 720p as well as 1080p do not lose quality after 4k compression.
ok, so what is the best bitrate for 1080p for streaming (very high quality) in your opinion?
But to have detail in the image in 1080p is it the objective and/or the processing?
Anyway, if you have to film in difficult light conditions, the larger the sensor, the less you have to force the sensitivity and/or process the image.